#37: The Moro Arc! Dragon Ball Super (Chapters 42-67)

Episode 37 of the Dragon Ball Virgin Podcast covers chapters 42-67 the Dragon Ball Super manga (the Moro Arc)!

In two weeks, we'll be discussing chapters 68-74 of the Dragon Ball Super manga (the Granolah Arc so far) and the controversial Dragon Ball Evolution movie!

Featuring Gozen from AnimeUproar and Ray the Dragon Ball Virgin!

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Episode Transcript

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What up? Everyone? Welcome backto the dragon Ball Version podcast. Today
we are discussing morow chapters the dragonBall Supermonga up to chapter sixty seven is
today's episode, and then in twoweeks we're gonna discuss the rest of the
dragon Ball Supermonga. So we're gonnacatch up and all that granola stuff.

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And then we're also going to beas a bonus watching the Dragonball Evolution movie
and sharing our thoughts as a littlebonus for that episode. So can't wait
for that. That's gonna be fun. And what else stood out to you
this time around? Ray? Firstthing, I actually read manga. I
mean it's been a while, sothat was an interesting experience because it's something

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I haven't done so far for theshow. Yeah, is read you have
the right to left down right?I hope? So o geez. It's
like they defeated the guy and thenyou know, then it got I thought
it was one of those like reversechronological things where they show the end and
then they end up telling them howthey go out there. No, I

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figured that out. And the goodthing is, like I read it online
and I was even telling you,I'm really impressed with how you could find
a lot of manga online, soa lot of resources out there, I
could find the manga and for alot of these, like manga viz dot
com for like two bucks a monthor something crazy, you can have access

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to like hundreds, one hundred chaptersa day of like Dragon Ball, Naruto,
like all the popular showing and oneswe cover a lot on the on
the Enemy Up War channel, butalso on the podcast. You honestly can't
be that price, Like I'm surelike maybe they have an even like an
app or something that you could readit more comfortably on your phone. But
yeah, who knows, if Iend up again Explore or more Manda,

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I might end up purchasing that becauseyeah, I mean it's a pretty cool
idea. But anyways, what Ithought about the entire arc, I mean
it was interesting that we got somethings I did really enjoy, Like that
transformation, we got silver hair.This time we have Vegeta who's really growing

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as a character. Like I foundin this arc, he really grew compared
to just where he started back anddriving. This one had a lot of
Vegeta shining moments. So that wascool. Um making Boo relevant. I
know, like it wasn't necessarily booas being that star that Lord of Lords,

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but making him relevant was interesting.Um we get kicking ass there in
the form yeah, of the Lordof Um. Yeah, so that was
pretty cool. And then also,like we've talked about how super has a
lot of that fan fiction and likereference to the past, and I definitely

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saw that through the characters of likeMorrow. You saw some kind of cell
like qualities about him in terms ofabsorbing energy. Oh yeah, definitely.
And you also have like even thedesign the face like after the seven three,
if that's correct, the absorption hetakes on cell like qualities around the

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phase area. Yeah, and youeven like you got some of those Freezer
vibes back in the Namic saga wherehe's going around invading the different Namechian Camps,
like you get all those kind offlash. He had a unique feel
to him in the sense that whathe did was he went around and absorbed
planets. But if there were strongopponents. He wasn't like Freeze, who

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was scared of the potential of sayingso he wanted to wipe out all sands.
This guy's like let him roam likewild stock, you know. And
then eventually they'll get stronger and I'llbe able to eat him. So his
his a cockiness was on another levelcompared to even Freeza. Yeah, he
understands he has to play the longgame with some of them, because even

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at one time when they're like,oh they're Vegeta and Goku are coming or
they're still here, and he's like, oh, yeah, they'll get stronger
and then eventually I'll just absorb them. So he's thinking ahead and that's one
of his strategies. But yeah,obviously, yeah, he's thinking ahead in
the sense of like also being cocky, right, because someone thinking ahead might

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be like, bro, let's nipthis in the bud, right, Yeah,
but he's like just cocky and yeah, he's ten million years old,
right, And for some reason that'she viewsed that as like a big deal.
And I mean it is, itis a big deal, but he
views it as like, Yo,how could this race the sayings that came

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like came into existence only a fewmillion years ago or a million years ago
or less than a million, Idon't all the exact number, but he's
like, how could they threaten orbeat me? So it's like all of
a sudden because he's been around forten million years. He feels like everyone
younger than him is inferior. Yeah. Yeah, and obviously, like cockiness
gets the best of him. Itbecomes his eventual demise in a way,

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like this is before he turns intothe Earth. But he thinks he could
like sustain all this power that heabsorbs, and sure enough he can't.
But we'll get to that. Idon't know if you want to start at
the beginning and just do like chronological, we can totally. We can totally
start at the beginning. Yeah.For me, the beginning was right after

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a Tournament of Power. Yeah,take us, take us through it.
Yeah. So they do that littlerecap of the Tournament of Power in the
forty second chapter, But then weget right to the kidnapping of Boo.
We get these aliens from outside theplanet. I didn't think they were the
Glastic Police at first. I thoughtit was going to be I thought it

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was going to be something like they'recoming to Earth. They kidnaped Boo's body
and they're trying to like manipulate itin such a way, kind of like
what's happening at the very end wherethey take something and they want to possibly
manipulate it, but turns out theywere stealing his body because of that history
he had. And the first coupleof chapters go through all that history where

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we get the flash weight of theten million years ago of the Lord of
Lords and that whole history of thesplit that when there was that split with
the Lord of Lords, you gotthe Boo we see like the overweight Boo,
and then you get the evil Boowho has that god power. And
then it's kind of cool it tiesin the whole Ub story and why Bob

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this sole significant as he goes godlikepowers. That's one of the strengths of
Dragon Ball super Like. They've takenstuff from Dragon Ball Z that was very
almost underwhelming, like sometimes the Ubstuff, and they made it. They
kind of made it more interesting inmy opinion, because we got this kid
at the end of Draging Ball Zand it wasn't like super super interesting in

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my opinion, like Ub as acharacter. But now that we're building more
around him and starting to learn moreabout him, I'm getting more interested in
U because now all of a sudden, he has the God key. All
of a sudden, that makes somuch more sense. Why Goku wanted to
train him, right, So there'sall this added weight to his character.

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And so now Dragon Ball Super isactually making Dragon Ball Z ending better,
which I like. Right, Yeah, it's almost like they're cleaning up some
of the loose ends or like youmentioned, underwhelming parts of Z and giving
them that good kind of narrative background. So I did appreciate that it made
things. It just made a littlebit more significant. So that was interesting

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getting that whole back history of them. And then we end up getting introduced
more to Morrow in his situation andhow it kind of took me back again,
like all these little kind of referencesto Z and Dragon Ball of when
I think it was Roshi's Master endedup containing was it like Girly Junior or

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something? Someone contained girl Junior.I get that whole idea. How moral
was someone who like was really toughto be defeated, so we had to
be contained. And then he goesinto the prison and then finally escapes,
so you get that different threat.Yeah, he wasn't yeah, like he
wasn't defeated necessarily, he was moreor less captured. So he's this you

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know villain that again he doesn't havelike this um losses in his track record,
it's more of a capture than adefeat. So we get that backstory,
and then we find out obviously he'sloose and he's trying to during that
first part obtain like full power,that power that he had before. And
something interesting. He's able to actuallylocate the dragon balls, which I don't

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think we've seen that in any sortof villain so far. Yeah, it's
interesting. He could like sense them, right, and you could sense other
what is it others can't sense himor he could sense other people, like
some new sensing ability he has.I want to say, I forget the
exact ability, but anyways, Yeah, he's you know, it's an interesting
character in the sense of he hasthese new powers that some of these other

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characters don't have. So yeah,I mean he's this ruthless guy. I
mean esthetically, before the transformation,I thought it was pretty underwhelming. I
thought like, well, I don'tknow, because I feel like this this
transformation is more dragon ball Z likethe second one. But it was unique.

(09:45):
I liked how unique the first versionwas. Really Yeah, I just
saw it as kind of underwhelming.It was like this kind of creature that
I don't know I just I didn'tfind it was that cool aesthetically, but
I think the trans formation brought itout. Yeah, so that's yeah.
You like it when they go backto like, you know, basics with
the Dragon. Yeah, no,And I think you'll notice that the Moral

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arc has a lot of the stuffwe love from other arcs, and they
kind of like just put a bunchof them together, Like you said,
the absorption stuff. Um, youhave the amicians come back like and play
a role, right, the namicVegeta gets to a tone for his past
sins against a Mechians. This timewe didn't have Piccolo save Gohan, but

(10:31):
we had Gohan save Piccolo which wascoming too the rescue which is always fun.
And yeah, we had we hadthat again moment which I want to
hear how how you're thinking about itwhere Goku at the end, which we
could wait to talk about it,but just initially, Um, how he
gives him a sense of beat andhelps heal him up after he's like,

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oh yes, I'll change right.So that was huge nod back to Freezer,
Yeah, and was I couldn't standthat, Like I've talked about how
at times in Super Goku's got onmy nerves on many occasions, and that
right there, I think, likeyou're someone who you're supposed to like learn
lessons as you fight, and itseems like hit that naivete just remains with

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him the whole time. The wayit is interesting one part though, it
looks like he is going to finishhim off because he says, like,
oh, are you going to likehe almost seems like he's actually going to
kill him, like finish him.He said he will, he just reverses
the decision. He wants to talk. Well, at one point after he
says he's going to kill him,he just wants to talk for a bit,

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and that's when he absorbs the Earth, right, and then the he
becomes one with the Earth. Yea. But yeah, Goku, like there
is progression and dragon Ball obviously withstrength levels and we see that with obviously
Goku is pretty much always getting strongerso as a Jeta and that's cool.
But yeah, with kind of lessonslike don't show too much mercy to the

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bad guy, Goku, we justhave to accept will not learn those lessons
because he's had plenty of opportunities bynow to learn to not like give a
sense of being to the guy,and they do kind of explain it where
he, in his opinion, ifanything bad happens, he'll just get stronger
and beat the guy. So ifhe comes back, he'll just gets wrong

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and beat him. So he's definitelynot a hero for justice. He's just
like, bro, I find itexciting to let bad guys go and then
I can find him again. It'sjust it gets too much, like I
talked to you again, like thisweek. This was not obviously during the
episode, but at some point thisweek we were talking about that. And

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there's so many things I like aboutGoku, Like I like his positive mentality.
What it seems like it's things arejust going to go to hell.
He's always not very positive spin yeah. But then but then there's other times
I think, come on, likeyou have to use your common sense here.
And maybe there are two sides ofthe same Maybe there're two sides of
the same coin where it's like werespect the fact that he almost never seems

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to freak out. It's almost alwayslike, oh, don't worry, we'll
figure it out, even though noone knows how they'll figure it out.
But at the same time, maybethat is also why he's careless, and
he actually lets himself get into situationswhere he shows mercy and then he ends
up actually kind of making the situationmuch worse. It always works out well

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in his defense, well I mean, but but it definitely seems like he's
playing with fire when he doesn't needto be a lot of the time.
Yeah, I want to put Gokuaside for a minute and talk about how
something else I liked about this arcwas how certain Dragon Ball Z, like
those traditional Z fighters way back fromDragon Ball Z, they had some moments

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to shine and Bro, we actuallygot jumpt back bro, and yet they
almost make a joke out of himwhen they use him. But he did
actually beat some guys, but itwas sad because when Goku came to rescue
them kind of after the training,um, they kind of said, yo,

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they were weak enough for even usto beat. So it's like so
much disrespect for himself there. He'slike, yeah, that guy was strong,
but these other guys, yeah,they were waking up for us to
beat. There's another moment too,I don't I literally left a lot reading
this. This is when um theJocko came and he's telling them like they

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got to recruit some people, andthey're like thinking, okay, like Tiene
will get him, like and thenthey're like Ten doesn't have a cell phone,
which I respect so much because he'sthis kind of like you know,
Zen type guy who said minimalists withthat kind of yeah. But then they're
like recruiting people and then they're like, okay, we got everyone we need.
And then the panel before the endup like switching to another scene,

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Krellan's like, well what about Yampcha, and like no one turns and looks
at him, almost like he's justa forgotten thought. But then someone would
have had to grab his attention totell him, like we need you.
But I just thought, like,just another shot at Yampcha. How he
wasn't even considered, like and theyconsidered all these like Krill and they were
thinking of all these other people,and then Yampcha was just this afterthought.

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Eventually was able to shine for abit there, which was pretty cool.
It was interesting how he said thoughhe is in the top three of earth
Links, So that's that's a funfact, right, So I'm guessing,
you know, not counting saying notcounting the Mechi and stuff like that.
So yeah, I guess him Krelland t A. Oh okay. See,
you know that's interesting because I whenhe said that at this point,

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whoever's living on Earth, I justhave kind of categorized him as earth Links.
I never actually thought it in theway of like original earth Links.
So if that's the case, Yeah, that is thing to consider, is
he Yeah, I think I meanpeople in the check it. Correct me
if I'm wrong, But I'm prettysure if you just count pure human beings,

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Yeamtra may well be in the topthree with Krillin and ten. I'm
trying to think of anyone. Yeah, so that's yeah, that's that's a
good that's a good point. SoRoshi might be somewhere there, but Roshi
in historically he lagged behind. Butthey definitely did give him a power boost
and dragon Ball Super. Yeah,no, it was. It was cool

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to see those characters. As I'vebeen talking about, it'd be great to
see ya just you know, geta little small moment to shine and he
does there. So that's pretty cooland that's kind of the thing. So
let's get back to the actual initialplanet. How did you feel about them
getting defeated? Right, Goku andVegeta initially got wrecked and then they had

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to go on and do their training. So did you like that twist?
Yeah, I mean they got wreckedfrom obviously it's one of those things and
we've seen this before in Dragon BallZ where your power actually becomes the thing
that you know, defeats you areends up becoming an obstacle because he's able

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to absorb their power. They can'teven turn super Satan at any point.
He can't even transport, like doinstant transmissions. So that was interesting because
again it builds on this whole characterof moral how it seems like strength now
becomes a disadvantage because he's able toabsorb you. So that was that was

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an interesting thing right there, andit's like a humbling experience for them,
and then it even pushes Vegeta tounderstand how like it's not all about pure
strength, but he goes to thatplanet in order to like what would you
call it, kind of align hisspiritual side with his physical side. Yeah,
yeah, which was that was aninteresting decision. Like there's a lot

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of character growth for Vegeta there becauseI mentioned he wanted to protect the Amechians
and do what's right. Then Amekiansbecause he felt bad for what he did
in the past. And then Amekianssaid, like, he's like, do
you guys hate me? Something alongthose lines, and the elder said,
we don't hold those judgments, right, we don't worry about the past,

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we don't hold on to grudges.So that probably touched him too after everything
he did, and yeah, hejust saw it as a way to atone
for his sins of the past,and he really took that seriously. And
yeah, he was even open mindedenough to try something completely out of his
comfort zone in order to in orderto actually make that happen. And yet

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I like that whole thing. Howhe went to yard Draft and then that's
when Goku learned to telpportation technique,but Vegeta took it further. And then
we also saw more about that planet, which we didn't really in the anime,
so that was fun too. Yeah, there's so much growth with him
being to do that training, becauseyou see, all the training he's done

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is just him putting his body,like pushing his body to the limit,
and that training is so different fromthat. And even later on, like
he's not really gloating about like shiningthere when he ends up fighting Marrow for
the second time, the others arelike, oh wow, it seems like
he's surpassed Goku, but he neverreally flaunts that, and he usually does

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number one and number two later onwhen they end up giving Goku his energy.
Remember that one time It brought meback to I want to say it
was either the Cell or Boo sagawhere everyone ended up giving their energy to
I believe Goku, and Virginia wasso hesitant, Like this time, he's
just like, there's no questioning it. He knows what to do. So

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again, he doesn't care about beingthat person who is the person who shines
at the end to defeat him,Like he knows he has to do what's
right and he's willing to take abackseat. And I very much appreciate that
in term of his growth, becauseyeah, this arc he really like.
I really liked Vegeta here. Ilike the character he's becoming man And honestly,

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I don't think it's a big spoiler, but everyone that's caught up in
the comments, yeah, so prettymuch this will continue this like cool Vegeta
focus and yeah, I can't can'twait to get your response on the next
chapters after this as well. Butyeah, Vegeta, they've done. I
think that's one of my favorite thingsabout Drying Ball Super how they're treating Vegeta,

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because, like I've said this beforeand Drying Ball Z, Vegeta seems
to always take this back seat,and right now, I feel like,
you know, he's kind of rightnow, he's trying to keep up with
Goku, right with Master Dultra instinct, like you can't deny right now in

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the manga, Goku is ahead towhat we saw right now, right in
this arc. But Vegeta got hisown unique power which was spear efficient,
which could separate fusions, could helpagainst Morrow, and it was key to
Goku being able to defeat Moro todestroy the Crystal. So he played his

(21:15):
role. And yeah, he's justmaintaining strength. He's always training with Goku,
and um, yeah, I can'twait to see how that progresses and
how serious the rivalry gets. Yeah, no, I'm loving it. I'm
excited to see what happens in thenext start. Like you said, it
seems like this Vegeta focus is goingto continue and possibly in an even better

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way. So I'm excited to seethat. Yeah, yeah, because in
drag Ball drag Ball Z did seemedlike Goku and Gohan were like the alternating
guys, right, while here it'smore so Goku and Vegeta who are the
alternation heroes. And that's another thingtoo, Like Gohan, he's taken such
a backseat in super and it wasnice even within this art seeing him step

(22:00):
up and nothing significant but I thinknever again, but he was willing to
do like put what he was doingbehind and step up here, and that
was nice to see. I alwayslike seeing Gohan moments because obviously we find
out fighting is not his number onepriority like all these other people. It's
far down on the maybe not fardown, but it's definitely not a top

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three thing on the list anymore.That's so interesting because we're told that,
you know, half sayans have greaterpotential than full sayings, we were told
on the path, but yet it'lljust never be maximized potential because there isn't
that dry that these other sayings have, right, Yeah, and it's interesting
too, like linking this to nowTrunks and Goten. I know they were

(22:45):
told to look after seventeens whole likereserve area there, but like why weren't
they chosen. They're not really gettingthat same no focus, Yeah, they're
not getting that same focus, Andhonestly, I'm okay with it. I
guess if they were to get moreof a focus, it could take away
from like Vegeta and Goku kind oftraining dynamic. And they probably had to

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push away more characters because they addedBerris and Weis, so they kind of
they take up a lot of time, and so how could Go ten and
Trunks keep up when Vegeta and Gokuare training with a god of destruction and
an angel? Right? So Iget it. And at first I kind
of was like, oh, I'mmissing the you know, Go Tanks days,

(23:33):
I'm missing when they were actually aforce to be reckoned with. But
now I get it. I getit, And the only one that arguably
I miss is Gohan. But Vegetais super cool. So if Vegeta maintains
like kind of his competition, hisrivalry with Goku, I'll be satisfied.

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Yeah yeah, I mean, andwe'll see what happens to them as characters
as we go on. But someonewe didn't speak about yet, Um his
name is Mirriss, right, ye, Like I assumed it's Mariss because like,
you know, the e makes ana sound. Yeah, but I've
heard a lot of YouTubers just saymirrors, mirrors, how many different like

(24:18):
playout, Like we got Moral,we got Beriss, we got Mirrors,
we got so many of these similarnames in Super But yeah, I mean
him as a character, he reallysurprised me because when I saw him at
first, I completely categorized him inthe same class as like, yeah,
who's just like he's got the stupidgun of on him and he's capturing people

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in this like Goo and you think, oh, what a lame character,
and even the haircut, like doesn'tGoku at one point or someone saying,
isn't he so cute the way hisbangs are like a little little short No,
I mean me too, man,one hundred percent. I was like,
you know, this was bridge kindof the action parts, and when

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we were introduced to him, Iwas like, all right, like,
you know, I don't care aboutthis guy. I also assumed it was
Jocko. But that's a good,um, good reality check for us to
not judge people by their appearances,because Goku didn't have that, you know,
didn't have that bias. Goku immediatelynoticed like, oh, there's something
different about you, a like you'resuper fast, you're um. So yeah,

(25:26):
Goku immediately knows he was special,and yeah, how did you feel
about that whole progression towards the revealof an angel? When did you figure
out he wasn't angel? When didI figure out? Well, there was
that moment when we was speaking tooand I forget exactly who he was speaking
to his father, Yeah, yeah, whoever that was. But yeah,

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when they start talking about it's interestingbecause at first I misread it and I
thought he was talking about moral like, oh, he's he's letting loose,
like he's doing things. And Ithought at first I thought it was Marl
because again the names are so similarto See the M and you know you've
been reading, like this is yourthird maybe straight chapter, and I just
get a little bit tired looking atthe screen because I'm ruining it off a

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screen, and then like I'm likethis, this is kind of weird,
Like why wouldn't they just step himbefore? And then I go back up
and I'm like mirrors, I'm likewhat the hell? Why is like what's
specificated about him? But obviously Iwas suspicious when we got that whole training
with Goku because he seemed to havereally wanted to hide so that no one

(26:33):
else can figure out that they weretraining and he was flexing, even though
like he doesn't full out flex withGoku, but like he's definitely showing some
of his powers. So that wasreally suspicious, Like why don't you just
do it? I know he talkedabout if we could blow stuff up,
but still, why don't you doit with other people around? Why do
you have to hide in this kindof hyperbolic time chamber. So that was
a little suspicious there, and thenobviously that kind of gave it away that

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he was some sort of like deitylevel character. And then sure enough we
get that reveal how he he's actuallywhat Ouie's brother, I think he says
at the end. Yeah, soI think that there's that head which the
name is escaping me right now whathis name is. But there's that guy
who's like their father, and thenthe rest of them are all like brothers
and sisters. And you have thatwith with um Vados, right, the

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one Shampa's angel is sister and brotheris the sister of Weise, Right,
are reality as angels? So yeah, that's that's kind of the setup they
have going on there, And itwas interesting because he got serious and that's
why he eventually got erased. AndI think that was so cool that we
saw an angel who are obviously theremight be some differences between their power levels

(27:48):
individually, but we know angels areopaf like they're they're overpowered, and to
see one goes serious, even fora bit before he disappeared, that was
very high. Yeah, No,that was cool, and just learning a
bit of his backstory as well,like he I believe they said he came

(28:08):
to this universe to get like abroader perspective on things, and he talked
about how his role and the roleof all these deities are just to like
let things happen, like not toreally interfere much with different things. But
then he ended up getting that thirstfor justice and that's what drew him in.
So it's interesting. I mean itgets into like philosophical kind of thoughts

(28:32):
as well, like free will,the idea of like our things predetermined our
things, you know, suffering thatthat whole idea of like the whole philosophical
debate about suffering and the gods.So yeah, it was pretty cool to
see him decide to basically risk beingeliminated in order to you know, work

(28:56):
towards justice. So that was itwas interesting to get that little glimpse of
his power. Yeah, and Ireally like that that there's only one way
for them to kind of be destroyedor die, and that was to actually
try and participate in the world andlike have that influence on it rather than
just being observers. And he choseYeah, right, I'm going to pick

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the what I think is right,and I'm willing to die for it.
And I think that's why it wassuch a great character. Also, thank
you to Steelers for pointing out thatGrand Priest is what they call what they
call the Father. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. In the whole thing
about Super, which is interesting comparedto say Z and Dragon Ball is we

(29:42):
always get the situations in the againZ and Dragon Ball where it's like there's
this enemy he's overpowered or she's overpowered. Trying to think if there was any
females I guess eighteen overpowered compared toprevious opponents, and then Goku and whoever
catching up to them. Within Super, there's this idea of here these like

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external kind of deities because obviously thewhole universe like zooms out and we learn
that there are multi universes. Welearned that they are like again like deity
powers out there. We know thatthere are things that are far more superior
now compared to people like Goku,and we just like accept it, like,
you know, here are people whoon a power level are just far

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superior, but they can't necessarily usetheir power. They don't really want to,
and like that's fine. So unlikethe other ones where it was all
about, oh yeah, like canGoku become the most powerful person, we
kind of accepted as a fan thathey, he's not the most powerful one,
and that's trying to become kind oflike the best version of himself.
And he gets competitive in certain areas, you know, like I want to

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be the strongest mortal, for example, and he wants to even obviously fight
against really strong gods and angels.But he doesn't get frustrated that he's not
automatically on Lisa's level, and there'sthat respect for him because yeah, he's
just trying to get stronger and stronger, fight stronger and stronger opponents. But

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he doesn't need to be the beall and end all strongest, and his
focus is on martial arts, whilesomeone like Zeno their focus would be on
just you know, it's not evenpower at that point, you could just
erase you without you even flexing.Yeah. Yeah, so that's kind of
a shift I notice in Super,which is kind of interesting. I do

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want to say one thing about Vegetawhich I really liked, going back to
him in his fight with Moral thereat the end. Something that I love
is just how he reminds Moral thatlike, you can absorb this energy,
but you didn't put in the workto be able to actually sustain it.
And I love that idea, Like, again, there's great lessons within dragon

(31:53):
Ball dragon Ball Super and the ideathat you gotta like, you gotta put
in that work in order to getto where you want to be brought that
up. Yeah, yeah, Vegetadoes that obviously. We see that throughout,
Like he's willing to just absolutely pushhis limits to get to where he
wants to be, and here's aguy who just tried to. It reminds

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me of, like, in aweird way, people who take steroids who
are like, I want to getto this place just as fast as I
fair enough, you don't put thework, and then all of a sudden
they get to that spot and they'renot necessarily like strong, they just look
huge and there's a lot of theirpower. Yeah, what happens when you
stopped taking steroids? No? No, no, yeah for sure, And
I think that's that's one hundred percenttrue. Goku brings it up to He's

(32:36):
like, you've never trained, right, and he's like, no, of
course, not training is yeah,he said something along the lines of training
is something for the week, right, which is so funny, what a
contradictus. But yeah, No,dragon Ball loves playing with that with like
super strong guys feeling they're too goodto train, and then Goku and Vegeta

(32:59):
train and being them through hard work. Like some of my most kind of
inspirational training visuals are just Vegeta inthe you know, red gravity machine that
Boma builds for him, just traininglike doing pushhops, doing kicks, like
sweating and like ultra gravity. Thosescenes, those little moments are what I

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think of when I think of hardwork. Bro, Like dragon Ball,
is that a profound effect on mein that sense? And yeah, these
guys are always training and we seethe benefits of that and not just having
stuff handed to Yeah, no,I love it. I find it motivational
and like applicable to things I'm trainingfor, like we talk about we like

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exercise and running, and it definitelylike it motivates me seeing these characters push
their limits and sometimes when they takelike their foot off the gas a bit,
like understanding they got to put evenmore working and you could get back
to the level you want to getto. I really like those lessons within
the whole Dragon Ball series. Andthen obviously you get characters who don't do

(34:05):
it, like even Freezer, andyou know they can't at the end of
the day. They just there's alimit to that. You can only get
so far where you don't put thework in and you're just kind of short
cut everything. So obviously that happenswith Morrow when he ends up his body
can't hold the power, the godpower, and he ends up exploding kind
of deal. But then obviously getsa bit more complicated, but yeah,

(34:30):
that becomes one of his downfalls.But yeah, it's like that's that's one
of the things I don't like aboutthose copy abilities. And it's not just
him. There's a bunch of copycharacters in different shown in and it's like,
yeah, I don't like it whenpeople get just copy moves and use
them. But here they here,they at least made it the limit being

(34:52):
he couldn't contain Mirrorst's power, right, But yeah, I mean it's even
irritating to me that he could justuse Vegeta's big Bang, no problem.
He could use Piccolo's special beam cannon, like he could do all of this
ship and those guys have to trainso much to learn it, and he's
just like doing it just as strong. And it's like, oh, that

(35:14):
sometimes rubs me the wrong way.No, I know what you mean.
Like you you've seen these characters justdevelop and learn these techniques, and here's
a guy who's just in one episodesteals them all like it's nothing. Like
it's frustrating sometimes as a reader anda watcher of dragon Ball, But hey,
I guess the characters there was alimit. Yeah, at least there
was. They had a limit,and he couldn't just like copy beers or

(35:37):
or weis and then just you know, crush everybody. And even when he
copied mers, like when him andGoku were fighting, there was a situation
where he said, we're equally powerfulnow and only I have magic, and
that was before his body started toreject the power. But that's interestin because

(36:00):
it's it begs the question could henot reach Mirror's power or is Goku just
that strong now in his mastered ultrainstinct form. Another interesting thing was the
whole fact about this whole arc wasthat instead of revolving around I need a
new transformation, it was about figuringout how to control the transformation he got

(36:22):
access to during the Tournament of Power. So that was a unique way to
kind of go about getting a newpower and reaching a higher level rather than
just you know, reaching it forthe first time. It was about learning
how to control it and master it. Yeah, No, that was that
was cool because it gets a littlelike boring when not bored but predictable when

(36:47):
it's the same thing all the time, and whenever there's a new arc,
it's like a new transformation. Igotta admit, though, I maybe like
this is not a popular opinion,and I think most people like think transformations
go overboard, But there's nothing thathips me up like drag ball Z transformations.
No, they're good, they're iconicfor it, but they have.

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They have to be careful because theydon't want to like every new chapter to
be a new transformation because it'll losesome of the magic. But when we
do wait for that new form andit comes, holy shit, is that
exciting? Yeah? And imagine beingable to market all this Like God,
it's so easy to be able toput out different like um like pop culture

(37:32):
things like toys, like different postersof the various transformers. You can be
like, oh, I love youknow the second Transformation of the Third Transformation,
and you could market the all It'slike Pokemon, right, Like,
so you're gonna have you're a hugedrag ball Z fan, right, So
not only are you getting all ofthe new figures for the villains. For
example, if you're just like superinto it, you also need to get

(37:57):
Okay, here's my Goku base Formdoll or figure, here's my Goku Super
Sian one. Here's my Goku Godand here's my Goku All Tray and stink.
Here's Go Mastered all train sting.So you keep needing to get new
figures if you're like a hardcore collectorand it's fun, it's it's an interesting
thing. Cookie Wok, you thankyou for gifting us up appreciate and I

(38:17):
believe as well because I remember Iactually have one. I believe it's one,
maybe two VHS tapes I was givenlike his birthday presents when I was
young of Dragon ball Z And onthe side there's like a little portion of
a picture somewhere. It's it's actuallyif you put all the VHS is apparently

(38:37):
what I found out. I foundthis out like this past year. But
if you put all of the VHSpictures next to each other when they used
to come out on VHS, itwould actually show like an entire scene of
like a character in different characters.So yeah, like it's that whole idea
of just trying to mark the shitout of that, like I need all
the vhses, yeah, to completethis picture. What sucked was like now

(39:00):
we have like you know, Netflix, and you can find everything, but
before you just have to buy likethis clunky cassette for three episodes or something
like that. Yeah that is verytrue, Oh my god. But yeah,
so what else is there to talkabout in this arc? Obviously Jeita

(39:22):
did get to shine right when heused for spear efficient, and I like
the idea that Morrow took it fromhim, right, he absorbed Vegeta's power,
and then he had access to forspear efficient and all of a sudden,
they couldn't even if they wanted tofuse because that power can just separate

(39:43):
fusions. So they kind of hada work around of, oh, you
won't be able to use the fusion. So I thought that was interesting too.
Yeah, so I mean, yeah, the fight was interesting. The
whole idea of UM taking over likethe Earth there at the end was a
good cliffhanger because they were kind oflike what do we do to like if

(40:04):
we want to destroy this guy atthe same time we're destroying the earth.
Yeah, so yeah, it putshim in a very like uncomfortable position about
like what do you what do youdo next? So that was a cool
That was a really cool near theend there a cool cliffhanger. Yeah,
I remember because I was reading thesechapters monthly rather than all I want was
right, so I couldn't just readon and I was like fuck, because

(40:28):
obviously I think if you're read itstraightforward, I feel like you'll be less
mad at Goku, but think abouthow to collect the fan base was like
upset when Goku just lets him heal. He's like, oh, I won't
finish him right now, we'll talka bit, and then the dude absorbs
into the world and we s tellsthem all right now moral will share the
fate of the Earth. So yougot to destroy the earth, and like,

(40:51):
imagine you couldn't just read ahead.You're like, Goku, what have
you fucking done? And then ifyou could just read straight ahead, you
could be like, okay, soall you gotta do is destroy the crystal
and we'll figure it out. Butyeah, just Goku just seems like such
an idiot with the one month Wait. The whole time, you're like why
why And that is funny. Theytotally hype that up just for him to

(41:15):
be like, yeah, you justgotta break the crystal, and it's like
it's like oh wow, but obviouslythey're not going to reveal that. Then
yeah, we could have said thatimmediately, right, But yeah, you
gotta keep the cliffhangers going, especiallybecause it's a month apart, right,
so some manga or a week apart, so you don't need necessarily as big
of a cliffhanger. But with DragonBall Super and like the monthly, the

(41:37):
monthly nature of it, you reallyneed like to try to make it as
good as a cliffhanger as possible,or else people will just forget about it
because like it's been a whole month, right, yeah, what ended up?
I'm trying to think now what endedup happening? Morow is technically like
is he in prison? I forgetor he completely destroyed? Oh Moral?

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Yeah, Oh that's a good question. I have to think, Well,
only because this is something I hopethey don't do in the next arc or
like an arc down the road,because they did the exact same thing with
Freezer. I hope they don't,like, say, he is alive or
I mean, here's the thing.In past like episodes, we've seen characters

(42:22):
who seem like they've been destroyed butsomehow right there back because obviously at the
end we get OG seven three,who is he gets recouped by Granola.
But I hope there doesn't become asituation where Moral ends up saying oh,
yeah, like I'm gonna start trainingnow and then become more powerful because I'm
gonna be like, man, youdid that with Freezer, Like let's not

(42:44):
repeat that exact same thing. Yeah. Yeah, from the look of it,
like Moral did die. Obviously,guys, anybody who knows something,
I don't let me know the chat. But from the looks of it,
he looks like he did die.It's just we saw in the next chapter
that seven three part of him frompart of him, and he was getting
um he ended up getting like recouped, and he was in that kind of

(43:07):
chamber that you see the other charactersare when they are recovering and then we
get introduced to Granola there. Soyeah, so he's kind of the looks
like he's going to get recouped someway and get some sort of power boost.
But I just hope they don't dothat with Moral because we just saw
that with Freezing. We don't needthat same kind of approaching here. No,

(43:29):
And I think Freezer is a goodstep up from Agita, where Magita
is pretty much a good guy now, Like he can still talk smack and
he has that edginess to him,but he's still a good guy. Freezer
like he's still evil, right,He's still very much an evil dude,
even though he can sometimes be friendlywith our guys if it serves his purpose.

(43:49):
Right. We try to say Machiavellianat least one time in the every
podcast, and Freeze is definitely machiavellian. But with Moral, you definitely definitely
don't need another Freeze though. Yeah, I agree with that, and I
mean he's not as the thing is. I mean I understand, and like,
yeah, that's what I was gonnasay. Yeah, you want to

(44:10):
bring him back, and you wantto make him relevant based on saying he
didn't train before, but you bringMoral back, and it's like, bro,
I wasn't even that attached to himto begin with. I do really
like the fact that, um,what they're doing post anime, and I
mean they were doing it obviously withthe movie and stuff too, but they're
relating back to a lot of thehistory of dragon Ball. So yeah,

(44:31):
like going back to Yard Draft,the Yard Draft planet, and then you
also have be things being tied intoten million years ago and how Boo maintain
gained that look right because he absorbedthe Lord of Lords and all of this
stuff. That's that's happened. Nowwe're gonna go again not a huge spoiler,

(44:52):
but we're gonna more go more intohistory with this approaching arc um.
So I just really like the factthat you know this historical stuff is playing
a factor, and they're not justyou know, new stuff popping up,
but they're actually getting sort of newstuff by drawing on the history and stuff

(45:12):
that's happened before. Yeah. No, I like that. I like how
they end up going back there andbuilding new bridges between the narratives. Like
that's something I have liked about superSo I'm glad that they're going to be
doing that in the next arc.But yeah, I mean, overall,
I thought this arc was it wasfun. I thought there were some great

(45:34):
qualities about it that I mentioned aboutVegeta's growth, about transformations even more as
a character. It was like therewas this one moment speaking of like flashing
back, where he ended up havingthis giant like he created this giant ball
and it looked like it was likereminiscent of when Freeze I used to like
put one finger in the air andhave that giant energy ball, and it

(45:58):
looked like because traditionally youth Freezer,he has the energy ball and then he
directs it to the ground and it'sjust like huge energy ball just consuming the
planet. But he ends up havingthis ball like one hand in the air
and then he just eats it.It's like a very different one. Yeah.
I also I also didn't know whereit was going, but yeah,
and it again it was a teameffort here with the victory, like Goku

(46:21):
did get strong, but Vegeta helpedwith his ability to unabsorbed or kind of
speir efficient his way out of itso that the metal the orb on his
forehead wasn't covered so Goku could actuallydestroy it. And then there was the
obviously help from Ube that the Lordof Lords kind of took over a boo

(46:45):
and helped him send it Like thatwas massive, God Key, Like that
was insane. It gave it gaveGoku like this huge avatar of Key that
he was like riding in. Andthat show again in the end of Dragon
Ball Z why he would pick thisspecific kid to train and to don't kind

(47:09):
of spend most of his time withthis kid. It's like, Yo,
this kid has insane potential and hecould end up being a defender of the
Earth and the future plus a greatsparring partner for Goku. Yeah. I
wonder what Torre I'm actually thought atthe time though, when he actually wrote
an Ube for the first time,Like, was he thinking of some of

(47:31):
this stuff, the god type power, Like was he just like I'm just
gonna leave it, Like I don'teven know like what I'm gonna do with
this character why he's so special becauseit's not really revealed. Yeah, that's
the thing. Like usually I thinkit's going back to it and adding to
it. Because as I said,Goku wasn't originally supposed to be an alien,

(47:53):
let alone a saying, and thenhe decided to make him one.
So it's kind of that situation.I'm sure he didn't know what he'd want
to do later on if there wouldever be another continuation Dragon Ball Z.
Right, but now that they cango back, let's make everything make more
sense. And yeah, I'm likingit a lot. And how he kind

(48:15):
of got absorbed all the power fromeveryone plus the god key, and that
helped him win classics kind of spearbomb vibes there, you know, so
that's always nice. Something else aswell, like vibes as well as um
the orbs not the orbs, likethat whole crystal on his hand. It
took me back to the whole Rememberthe androids who came in Z who had

(48:37):
those they had their like machines ontheir hands and they would grab people and
they wouldn't be able to copy them, but they'd stuck their energy like they
did with Yamche So that that broughablyback to that. That was another another
throwback. More was like this combinationof like all of these different opponents.
Right, he has magic which iskind of Mogen Boo related, and he

(48:58):
had all these different looks, freezervibes to the battle itself, and they
had all these different locations in thisfight. Right, Yeah, namic yet
earth you add all these different ones. So that was fun too. Arguably
it's interesting. One of the mostunderrated moves he used he uses, which
is one of the most important becausehis hands are so important, is the

(49:21):
Piccolo regeneration. Like how many timeshas he end up getting like his arm
cut off, his hand cut offand he just regenerates it. Yeah,
like that that technique is super usefuland it's super undervalued. Not undervalued,
but it's like something under the radarthat Piccolo and even dended with his healing
techniques that these Namecheans have that areso unique to them. It was originally

(49:44):
very much nerved because whenever like Piccoloused it or something, it would take
a bunch of his stamina. Yeah, but here like moral can just do
it as much as he wants.It looks like right, so yeah,
he definitely steps it up. Andwhat do you think about the brutality of
some of the scenes, Like I'mspecifically thinking of him kind of taking his

(50:07):
arm straight through Goku's chest like thatwas a crazy moment. We rarely see
anything that brutal in Dragon Ball Z, So I was gonna say the only
other time I remember seeing something asbrutal, and I don't think it was
as brutal as this. This takesme back to Dragon Ball. Remember when
Piccolo and Goku fought in that tournamentand Piccolo looked like he was defeated and

(50:30):
he shoots that yeah yeah, waveright through Goku's chest and you see the
hole right through his chest. Likethat took me back to that moment,
because yeah, really do you getthose kind of grow tesque like stands through
the body like holy shit? Andit was one of those things where we
have to like double check and you'relike that, am I seeing this right?
Because it happens so quick, rightit it re kind of regenerates right

(50:53):
through him such a such a brutalmove and yeah, I think that's part
of the manga Charmed. They havemore freedom to get more brutal than the
anime, which is subject to morerules with what they can and can show.
Yeah, because I'm trying to think, I think that's happened to Goku

(51:15):
maybe three times so far, likethe first time with Piccolo, second time
with the again Piccolo again, Iguess when it comes to him holding rabbits
and it goes right through him,and then I'm trying to think, I
think this is like the third timeit gets something actually like going right through
there's something personal about it not beingan energy beam and it just being like

(51:36):
your fucking arm just right through themas brutal and yeah, that's something I
love about this fight. Um yeah, yeah, pretty much that takes us
to the end. What do youthink just initial thoughts on Granola, I
don't know. I don't know much. I think we don't get crazy amount

(51:57):
of like context one under I don'tknow. Like the O G seven three,
he was someone we didn't really talkabout him too too much, but
he was someone who he kind oflooked like in a weird way, Captain
Genu in my opinion, and hewas just kind of I don't know.
I knew he was like a placeholderfor Morrow, so I didn't absolutely love

(52:22):
him as a character. So I'mcurious to see to do what to see,
sorry, what he does with thatguy. But yeah, I don't
know if is he someone who Imean he's driving around in the spaceship.
Is he someone who is a threatmore like intellectually how he could like manipulate
other people. The character has thisuniqueness to him for sure, And at

(52:44):
first, I gotta admit I wasat the beginning of this arc. I
was like, Yo, I kindof want to get back to the main
characters, you know, But Ithink it evolves nicely as you'll see,
and then you could tell me whatyou think next episode. But yeah,
I think that pretty much covers whatwe wanted to cover for this one.

(53:04):
Obviously, MirOS returns, right,so that's great. He returns as a
mortal. Did you see that twistcoming? Or no? Um? I
mean I thought he would return insome way, but him being a mortal,
No, I didn't. So that'sthat's interesting, right because at least
there was some kind of payment.Yo, Thank you so much, Hobi

(53:25):
Sumer for two hundred bits. Hesays, the most brutal is Popo training.
No one discusses Popo training. Ithink that's a that's a dragon Ball
Z the abridged reference, right,Yeah, whatever happened at Popo, I
miss him. Yeah, we don'tsee a Popo a lot anymore. We
see ded But yeah, so thatthat was nice that because I mean to

(53:49):
an extent, I kind of feellike it would have been more powerful if
they just didn't bring MirOS back,because then Goku would like carry that weight
of his memory. And he sayshis will lives on through me, and
well, yeah, dragon Ball doesn'ttypically do that. But yeah, we
can't. We can't expect deaths tolast, like you know, you never
know, and with angels specifically,we know nothing. So at least it

(54:13):
wasn't like, you know, he'sbrought back with no changes. At least
he was quote unquote punished, althoughI don't think he'd even consider a punishment
by coming back as a mortal.And now we have another character we could
bring back to the mix whenever wefeel like, right, like Browley is
somewhere in the world, mirrorst isnow in the world. So there's all
these Freezes doing his own thing,right, So there's all these characters and

(54:35):
potential plus maps. Yeah, exactly, got Snappa making make an appearance.
So yeah, I definitely look forwardto seeing how those guys may pop up
again in the future, or evenif they don't. It just it's nice
to know they're doing their own thingand living by their own ideals somewhere in
the universe. Yeah. No,it's it's a big universe now, and

(54:58):
as we can tell, it's actuallymore than one universe, so there's a
whole lot of potential out there fordifferent stories. Yeah. Sam's telling me
that he saw the Super video Iput out today. Great timing. Yeah,
so pretty much. Don't look atthat video Ray stay away from from
my channel for until them two weeksbecause there you will see something very epic,

(55:22):
but we want to hold it fornow. Hobe Summer, thank you
so much for another two hundred bits, says Popo. Went off and made
him some bomb masked toast in thehyperbolic time chamber and lost his way.
Yes, no, I love Ilove these characters, man. That's another
thing I love about Super, thefact that we got to keep seeing these
characters but Geta is only getting betterin my opinion, right, Like I

(55:45):
prefer Dragon Ball Super Vegeta too.Well. I mean, there is obviously
the huge twist from Vegeta sacrificing himselfto initially being a villain is big in
Dragon Ball Z, but I justlike what they're doing with him in Dragon
Ball Super and how he's not alwaystaking a backseat to Goku. So yeah,

(56:06):
I find this transformation is more authenticcompared to someone like Piccolo, where
it was a bit of a Iknow, he was more hostile at the
beginning, but it was a bitmore of a quicker one, like this
was a long time coming and nowslowly but surely, Like it just seems
more real this transformation compared to otherones where it's just like, you know,

(56:28):
after an arc or two, allof a sudden, they're just completely
on board with everyone, like thishas been a long time coming, with
him really putting others before him,and yeah, and then the trunks,
like all of that stuff is obviouslya huge factor that Piccolo experiences in some
way through kind of being an adoptivefather to Gohan in a sense, but

(56:50):
otherwise, yeah, you could reallybelieve why Vegeta changed. Thank you so
much, soul Slayer for three hundredbits. Buark of Vegeta is the culmination
of his character, That's what SoulSlayer says. So I think they had
a hard time finding a direction forhim, but I think they finally did.
Yeah, for sure, I thinkobviously, yeah. I don't want
to put that down at all ofDragon Ball Zibajeta. Obviously, I think
he's amazing, but I think DragonBall Super is doing him justice in the

(57:15):
continuation. I agree, cool,cool, and I think that pretty much
covers all we want to say aboutthis moral arc. Guys, we are
covering all the remaining chapters for theepisode in two weeks, which is chapters

(57:35):
sixty eight to seventy four. Ibelieve they're like, Ray, there are
some insane things. I'm gonna tellyou right now. I haven't been this
excited to see the next episode ofdragon Ball Sup, to see the next
chapter of Dragon Ball Super. Ever, I guess, like, Bro,
this is fucking intense right now.This arc is crazy shit happening. So

(57:55):
I'm super excited for that for thenext chapter to come out as well,
And we will also add on asa little bonus the dragon Ball Suit,
the dragon Ball Evolution movie, notbecause it's good, but because everyone says
it sucks and we kind of wantto experience experience the suckage, you know,
Hoby Summer, thank you again forfive hundred bits, says unpopular opinion.

(58:19):
I'm waiting for Broley to come intothe meta and even see him transcend
his power even greater like kaled Itby controlling his anger. Yeah, so
that's another thing to look forward to. Browley is another one of those characters.
And I gotta say, man,dragon Ball has some amazing characters,
right, Like, they just standout so much. Yeah, I don't

(58:43):
think that's an unpopular opinion. That'ssomething i'd want to see. Yeah,
no, yeah, I don't thinklike more broy yes please, yes,
yes please and yeah no everything everythingis going good right now, and I
really like the direction dragon Ball Superis taken right now. Hopefully keeps up
and until next time, see usBace, Cowboys Bang