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What up? Everyone, Welcome backto the dragon Ball Virgin Podcast. It's
been quite a while and we arehere to catch up to dragon Ball Super.
In the last episode, which wasour thirty eighth episode, we caught
up all the way to Vegeta's newform and since then, I believe like
about five chapters have come out,so we covered those chapters today. You
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got me goes on from animey upWar, and of course Ray the dragon
Ball Virgin whatep Ray whatep goes in. It's been a long time, but
happy to be back talking about myoriginal anime, dragon Ball. Yeah,
so there's that, and we're goingto also be doing thanks to people suggesting
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it in the reviews, so yeah, we do read the reviews. So
if you guys want some leave suggestions, you can do it through the reviews
of the podcast. And people havebeen asking where is dragon Ball GT And
we're like, all right, sothe anime Virgin, which we do with
Briggs right now, we were doingthe Demon Share Virgin. We're gonna take
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a break from that as Briggs isdoing his own Christmas stuff and we're going
to be bringing back the Dragonball version. Seeing how far we get into GT
as well, so you have thatlooking to look forward to as you wait
for anime version to come back.And yeah, we're gonna be starting next
week hopefully with the episodes one tosixteen of Dragon Ball GT. And I
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think it's called the Black Star dragonBall Saga. Yeah, black Star dragon
Ball Saga. So yeah, forthe first time, I'll be watching Dragon
Ball GT through from beginning to end. So that's gonna be interesting for me
because I just saw like a bitof bit of episodes before. Yeah,
we will both be virgins in somearea. Oh yeah, that's that's pretty
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cool now GT. If I canrecall, this is said in the future,
because the Dragon Ball Super was saidnot too long after Z ended,
right, so this is this isn'tthe future. Yes, so you're gonna
have a lot of older characters.Yeah, like future, like beyond Super.
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It's it's supposed to be i know, always created before Super, but
it's supposed to be yeah after althoughlike it's not cannon in the sense of
it's not considered as cannon as DragonBall Super. It's more so like a
sequel that people don't take too seriously. It should be interesting because I remember
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how Z ended and it was sofreaking weird when Goku and ub just left.
It's like, yeah, I'm gonnaI'm gonna leave my fan, I
gotta train this kid. I'll seeeveryone later. And you thought, what
a weird way to end Dragon BallZ. So yeah, curious to know
m a situation there. Yeah,No, that's gonna be interesting to see.
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But for now, let's talk aboutthe Dragon Ball Super chapters that we're
catching up too. So I believeit's seventy five to seventy nine. So
the last chapter recovered was when Vegetajust turned super, saying no ultra Ego
Vegeta and we didn't even have aname for it at that time. And
now we've saw him fight, whichwas fucking badass. We saw him lose
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Gas. The whole backstory happened withBardoc coming back. Then we had Granola
fighting Gas, losing because he wasalso tired at this point, Goku keeping
Gas busy, and then we finallyhad Vegeta give Granola the sense of being
rather than trying to take the gloryfrom himself, which is, by the
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way, a very unegoic thing todo. So what up super Ultra Ego
Vegita what's what's up with that move? So that's interesting, and then um,
we get the fight between the latestchats we're dropped today, the fight
between Gas and Granola, so wecan start from the beginning. Just want
to give you a rough outline ofwhat we're gonna be covering. Yeah,
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there you go. That's the wholething, folks. You can leave now
now. I'm um. Yeah,what were your thoughts on all this?
Right? You covered it pretty well. We did get to see god of
this What would this be? Iknow you said ultra you called it ultra
ego because that's what he calls himself. Is this God of destruction orm for
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vegeta um god of destruction form fromAga? He's definitely channeling God destruction power.
Yeah, I so it is.It's associated with that. Yeah,
but we don't know, like therecould be. You know, he's not
an official God of destruction. No, there's no formal name for you.
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All right, So yeah, Imean we were talking about how bad he
looked last time, and he definitelydoes. Like again, from an esthetic
point of view, he looks prettycool. And I even like him,
Like I talked about the saying armor, how much I like the saying armor,
but if you recall, there's amoment where the same armor breaks and
you just see kind of that jumpsuitthing he wears underneath the like kind of
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dark blue jumpsuit, and I thinkhe looks pretty bad as there as well.
So as a like again, fromit like an esthetic point of view,
I think this is the coolest formof Vegita we've seen. Yeah,
I gotta agree with you. Ithink that this arc was amazing. Vegeta
wise, like the Vegina lovel wasgreat. We're gonna get to it.
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There was that one part where it'slike the Goku finally gives Vegita to go
ahead. Hey, I used upmy sense of being you didn't use yours.
Go for it, like you know, this is your time to shine,
and then he gives it to Granolarather than taking it for himself,
and it's like, ah, whywhat I gotta say, so far into
arc, if we compare Vegeta andGoku, but Geeta has had way more
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epic moments. Yeah. So,like you mentioned, we have that fight
between him and Granola to start,which I had to remind myself about Granola,
and I'm like, how did Granolaget the strong, and I forgot
it was from the Dragon Balls andwe're I think we talked about this again.
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It was a long time since we'vehad her last episode, but kind
of like the cheapness there that hejust wishes to be the strongest person in
the universe, and there it is. It happened. So I forgot all
about that and then I had toremind myself. So yeah, that fight
was interesting because at first Granolas likeman, the more Vegeta gets kind of
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takes damage, the stronger he gets, which is a very kind kind of
like saying like thing. But thenwe find out, oh yeah for sure,
because it's this whole new form umand you know, get this interesting
battle with um Vegeta using this kindof like Freeza esque like energy bomb like
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um again like Freezer used and shootingat Granola. But then we see again
Granola is not just going to flopover and surrender like he's able to be
resilient. He has that wish,So there's something significant there, and so
it was a pretty you know,interesting battle. At first, it looked
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like Vegeta had the upper hand.Then Granola came in and then that backstory
as well with the heaters and howthey're trying to locate the dragon balls,
which at the time that was veryinteresting, right, Like, did you
think they would bring Bardoc back intoit? I so when they were using
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the dragon balls, I thought itwas going to be to do a similar
wish to what Granola did, butno, I did not see that.
Yeah, that was fucking interesting,and I obviously we talked about it a
bit already, but I like thefact that at least, although that wish
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seems super cheap, right, thereasons why I view it in a forgiving
way is one, you have topay a sacrifice, so you lose lifespan
and stuff like that. It's notjust oh sure, yeah you're the strongest
now, no consequences, so youhave to pay the consequences. Plus,
which I really like, it wasn'tour main characters, So you know,
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enemies are totally cool with using thosepowers, but you know, because they're
they're usually associate antagonists are okay withbeing cheap because, like you know,
it's even harder for our good guysto overcome it. It just would be
stupid if like one of our mainguys would do that, but they would
never do it. So for thatreason, I give it a pass.
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But yeah, I know that upseta lot of people. It's like,
what the fuck you just wish tobe as strongest? Oh, I know,
yeah, it's and it's funny becausewe don't really I mean, we
get way back then in the movieGarlic Junior wishing to be immortal. But
I don't think anyone's ever wished tobe the strongest, Like there have been
characters who have alluded to the fact. I think even Vegeta at one point,
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didn't he say he wanted to wishto be the strongest, like a
long long time ago. But yeah, it's this is I believe the first
time it's ever happened. Yeah forsure, unless like maybe like some random
movie or something like that, butin the Cannon kind of universe. Yeah
yeah, because yeah, like Isaid, the only time I remember anything
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remotely like this is when Garlic Juniorsaid I wish for immortality, and then
we saw they were flaws to thatas well, where sure you could be
like immortal, but it doesn't meanyou're gonna be the strongest, and you
could just be like grinded to apulp and still be alive, but be
useless. So there's always flaws.I've noticed with these wishes. They're not
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always just guaranteed to of course,and it wouldn't. Um. Then there's
also so you do agree that thisis like the coolest Vegeta's looked, right,
uh, even though it's a littlelike short lived, like we don't
yeah so far, but this willdefinitely become like a staple in the series,
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right unless they just blow past itto another form. But I feel
like we're gonna be seeing this fora while, like we saw all trendstinked
with Goku. Yeah, so yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how they
end up bringing like making vegeta relevancegoing forward. I mean you already it
seems like Dragon Ball Super is allabout making Goku and Vegeta relevant, Like
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they just kind of tag back andforth to see he's who's more powerful.
So I feel like this is gonnabe a common trend going forward. But
yeah, I want to see Iwas able to sustain this form and um,
like just as he learns to trainand to fight more in this form,
like what his capabilities are, becausethat's a huge thing in dragon Ball
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like in general is obviously these peopleare making wishes to be like the strongest.
That doesn't mean they're actually able tobe the strongest, because they need
to be able to know how totrain and use these moves. Yeah,
and Vegeta and Goku are just sogood at like being willing to put him
the work exactly, you know,And so that's that's why they would absolutely
never wish for that because obviously it'sshort changed. It's like a part of
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the pride of the warrior, andyou know, you don't exactly it's not
it's not about just wishing to bethe strongest, about the journey getting there,
which which is cool, and beingable to take pride in the fact
that it's your strength, like Vegeta'semphasizing it didn't wasn't just granted to him
by a god. It's like hisown awakened internal strength. So no,
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I love that, But I justwanted to say that, Yes, so
he looks badass, but it's alsolike in the fight itself, the chapter,
the first chapter we're covering in thisepisode, like that's the most badass
he's probably ever been, just justlike taking all the pain, loving it,
like you know, um using itas fuel. Granola saying he's getting
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stronger the more damage he takes.Obviously, eventually a backfires because like the
dude just absorbs so much damage.But at the same time, it's so
awesome seeing him react to it,not even phased. At that one point
where he's about to be killed,He's just like, you know what,
this is supposed to be the faith, the fate of the sayings. Then
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I acknowledge it, So I thoughtthat was he was just so epic and
all of that. It was kindof crazy when he was willing to take
out the whole planet like that wasthat was a one moment thing, and
then he goes back to like beingless egoic after that. I feel like,
but in that one moment, it'slike, bro, like what,
you're gonna destroy the planet, You'regonna destroy Kecker, You're gonn destroy yourself?
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Like what's going on? That wasmy only weird part. Yeah,
for sure, but no, Imean I enjoyed that part and trying to
think after that, we get that. I guess the flashback right when Granola
was a kid and his mom welearned about like the whole situation with the
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sayings going to cereal and we getthe backstory there. Yeah, is that
what happens next? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, we do. We
do jump into the back story.It is during the I feel like we
get a bit of it during thefight between Granola Mageta and then when Munito
steps in, because remember Granola's chargingthat huge attack, which, like you
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know, it's probably will do unparalleleddamage or whatever. And then finally Manito
appears, He's like, no,bro, you were saved by a saying,
and then we jump into the flashback. Yeah, yeah, because all
along and again I had to goback and remind myself with some of these
things. Granola is pissed at thesands because he thought they were like the
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reason for his um like his parentsgetting killed, which we find out like
his father was his father was killedby a sand right, thinking back to
that flashback one of those apes,his father, I don't even recall seeing
his father, or maybe it wasn'this father, maybe someone who looked like
him. There was probably someone ofthe same race or something. Yeah,
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but yeah, the U So yeah, so it was it was the actual
heaters who were the ones who killedthe mother, and so he has this
whole false narrative regarding it was thesands and how like he needs to seek
revenge on them. But then kindof like we've seen this before with with
other story arcs, how like there'sthat false narrative and then it's like with
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Freeze, and then it's disproven that, you know, Freezer was the one
who actually destroyed the planets, Soyeah, that's dispelled from that flashback from
the Nimeckian like you mentioned, wholived with um with Granola, So that
was that eye opening kind of momentfor him. And then obviously what ends
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up happening is they end up kindof having a commonality there of saying,
okay, like the heaters are theones that we should be sort of directing
our attention at based on how evilthey are both in the past and present.
And then the sky turns black andthen we find out that they have
summoned the dragon, which their dragonis pretty interesting because I don't think we've
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seen this dragon. Yeah, Ithink it looks very cool. It definitely
reminds me of like the big goldendragon you know, that we saw during
the Tournament of Power in Design abit. But yeah, I really like
the esthetics of this dragon. Itwas very cool. I think it's if
I had to r rank them,I think this is my favorite, even
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though out of the smaller dragons,even though the first Schenron is just iconic
because he's kind of, you know, the one we're used to. He's
the one who started at all.So yeah, but I do really like
the design of this one. It'sjust so crazy, like there is some
crazy moments here. Although I thinkthat this arc is fire overall because I
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love the Vegeta parts, I lovebringing Bardoc back. I think there's so
much to love in this arc.There is some random stuff about it,
which is like you only need twodragon balls, right like that that to
me is still weird, Like youknow seven is a journey. Two is
like you know that it takes notime potentially. Yeah, it's funny.
I totally forgot about two. Butthen that makes sense because of how quickly
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they're able to like resurrect the dragon. Yeah, she was like, all
right, I got one, Ijust need one more, And I just
forgot that that was the thing there. So that's that is funny, Like
there's no like it's still called dragonball, that's still the root of it.
But that whole like you mentioned thewhole journey of what the show was
before it is totally gone now itwas just this yo um, how much
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powerful can you get to finding theseopponents? Like that whole narrative has has
gone. It's no longer that,which is fine. I mean that only
lasts so long. Yeah, no, so that's that's another interesting part,
like a change or whatever. Butyeah, so let's jump into the to
the bar doc stuff. How crazyis it that we might get to see
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they're hinting at a Gas versus Bardocfight. Yeah, like that, that
to me is fucking crazy, Likehow was Gas way less strong back back
then? Or was Bardoc like waystronger than we thought he was? Right?
Like imagine, you know, he'dhave to be pretty strong because Gas
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always seem to be pretty powerful,Like he still seems to be like this
trusted strong guy of the group backthen. So I'm just wondering. I
can't wait to see how Bardoc won. I appreciated like some of the wholesome,
heartwarming stuff with like Bardoc and Goku. And if you go back to
that chapter, you'll even see likea kid Rabbits. You might have like
skipped over it, but you'll seea cute kid rabbits, and then you
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see like the mom and dad relationshipwith with Bardoc, and I really like
his character here and how he's youknow, he's less badass than the movie
potentially, but you know, it'snice to see him growing as a character
here and deciding unilaterally to save Granolaand his mom despite the fact that you
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know, he's putting himself at risk, his family at risk, going against
Freezer the other sayings. So,yeah, it's very interesting side of Bardoc
that I didn't really think we'd see. Yeah, and you are right there.
So Bardoc was never mentioned any ofthe Cannon before, right, he
was. I think he was here. It's more Yeah, I don't know
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the exact extent of it, butyeah, the movie is not this in
this canon, like this is adifferent Bardoc than the movie Barnock. Yeah,
but I feel like it was alwaysacknowledged that, you know, he's
still Barnock, was still the father. We just are getting more information about
what he was actually like in thisslashback. And I guess that goes to
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show how like a lot of thesecharacters who are like we talked about Brolly
and stuff, like, they havejust such interesting fan interest like the fans
love that, they want to seemore of it, So yeah, maybe
we see more of this. Wementioned about like seeing maybe more of Browley
in the future, so it shouldbe interesting. You mentioned whether there would
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be that potential fight. Wasn't theresomething mentioned about by being like fairly powerful
or sorry not brole Bardock being fairlike fairly powerful at the time? When
where how is that mentioned? Ithought there was something about like like in
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these chapters, in these chapters somewhere, Maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe I'm thinking,
Yeah, you'd have to remind meexactly what you mean, because I
mean, you know, he gotrespect from his friends and family, but
I don't recall like a specific phraseof being like, oh he's super powerful.
Um, but clearly he had therespect of his men, like you
see that, and like his fellowwarriors, and they chose to let him
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do his thing and stay behind.You know. There wasn't like a no,
bro, what are you doing?We're all leaving. You gotta leave
too, So yeah, it wasit was interesting. Um, Like I
said, I liked the wholesome stuff. I like the fact that he associated
his family with Granola's family. Sothen like you got that growth of his
character, him going into help andit almost felt like a prequel to Goku's
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adventures because you got him like withinthe Mechia and then like other people and
like helping them out against you know, So it's you see where Goku gets
his potential. I don't even wantto say this because it's difficult to say
because in the series, like hedoes hit his head, right, he
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was in dragon Ball, he wassort of evil and then he hits his
head and then all of a sudden, he's like not that evil guy anymore.
But I do feel like he wasmore the fact that Bardock was his
father made him more predisposed to endup like this eventually, right, Yeah,
for sure, Like you see parallelsin both of their lives, like
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you said with the Nemechians and thingslike that. Yeah, So even if
it wasn't all like genetics, likeI feel like some of it was genetics
and helped helped to make a Gokuwho he is today, which you see
a lot of his behavior reflected inand now Bardock's behavior. So I was
interesting, Um, what what doyou want to cover next? Well,
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there was like once Gas ended up, they wished about the strength they're similar
to what they did with Granola andGas transformed. I thought, like,
I'm pretty sure they mentioned something likegas can transform or create like weapons out
of nothing. So it's interesting kindof the the weapons he uses to try
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to fight, because it's a littlebit different. It's not just like using
strength like how we normally get withcharacters like using you know, energy waves
or using fists. Like he's actuallyusing some weapons, which, yeah,
it was creative. I like thefact that it was creative as well.
Volt Or says in the comments inthe chat, I guess for Twitch,
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but Jeeta said something about Bardock beinglow class warrior and so yeah, so
actually there was maybe the opposite oflike implying his not as strong as as
we'll see that he is against gas. But what's also interesting, which I
don't think we mentioned, was Gokudidn't even know Bardock was his father,
right, and Vegina had to bethe one to tell him, like,
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yeah, bro, this was yourdad. So it's just so interesting how
Goku never thought to ask Vegina abouthis heritage or like his father, and
it was all about you know,it was all Vegina informing him and telling
him. So I found that hilarious. Don't get in a flashback to when
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um, like Goku was in theincubator, there we get to see Goku's
mom, Yes, yes, AndI don't think have we seen that yet?
I don't think maybe just in themovie, but I don't think so,
because we rewatched the entire series,right, and I think in the
in the special there was that womanhe fought along with who looked like her,
Yeah, right, Like they definitelylooked similar. But no, I
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don't think unless there was like someside stuff or side materials that we haven't
covered. We watched all of theepisodes and we haven't come across his mother
yet. Yeah, so that wasa cool little like reference there that we
haven't gotten at all. So that'sthat's pretty interesting. Yeah, and so
that explains why Goku Sam brought itup, like why don't they wish back
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their fathers? Yeah, Goku didn'teven think about his father, so he's
probably not wishing on not like thinkabout wishing him back. And also there
is something to be said about like, you know, let's not wish back
everyone. You know, people didhave their time to exist and now it's
like the next generation's turn and itwould be weird if like everyone just kept
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wishing, you know, getting wishedback. Yeah, Like we get that
great moment in dragon Ball when ifyou remember when Gohan comes back like his
grandpa and he's like, yeah,I actually enjoy it in this afterlife,
like yeah, it's better than Ithought, And like, let's not kind
of ruin things and keep bringing meout for the sake of bringing me back,
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like just let me be in thekind of like let history be kind
of thing. But again, likedragon Ball totally contradicts that in so many
moments when characters keep getting brought back, but they're usually characters who die,
like who die, Like like rightthere, it's not someone who is being
brought back from a long time ago. So yeah, and obviously Goku has
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to be an exception because although therewere talks about initially Goku not coming back
and then Gohan taking over as likethe main character, you know, Goku
is dragon Ball and so without youyou need him in the story, and
without him you'll see even in GTit's revolving around him, and and the
way they deal with him getting olderis just like actually, I'm not gonna
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spoil it just in case you don'tknow anything. I'm not gonna spoil anything,
but yeah, so I really likeGoku is dragon Ball, and like
Vegeta has become like as important tome as Goku. So yeah, with
them, you gotta bring them backif they die, but hopefully your writing
can be good enough that they're notdying too much, right because because that's
the thing. If if they don'tdie, then it's okay, But if
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they keep dying, keep being wishedback, it just starts to feel cheap,
right, Yeah, that's interesting.You said Vegeta is just as relevant
as Goku at that point, andtotally agree, Like, like I would
hate it. I would hate itso much if Vegeta fell off like became
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like a yamtruck kind of thing nowand then Goku just kept advancing on his
own, Like that would suck sohard. So yeah, I think we
for me at least dragon Ball Superneeds to maintain Vegeta's role in the story
right now. I wished before thatGohans was like not did Gohan didn't fall
off? But now I'm just likeappreciative that Vegeta's playing that important role and
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I just hope he keeps playing it. And if this arc is any indication
he will keep playing it and he'llsometimes outshine Goku like he's been doing this
arc so far. Obviously it's notover, but he's definitely been much more
hype than Goku so far. Yeah, and I would agree that it seems
like what Super has done I wouldseparate itself from Dragon Ball Z. Is
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I think dragon Ball Z was stilllike Goku centered. We get a lot
of Gohan, so you think maybe, like you know, the next series
might be like this handoff too Gohan. But I really think the show has
marketed itself around now Goku and Vegeta. Like I'm sure if you look at
merch now that so much of itis both Goku and Vegeta and it's not
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just like Goku bay himself, whereasbefore maybe in Dragon Ball dragon Ball ZA
was more Goku centered. I totallyagree that, especially like especially before Vegeta
like shows up right, Yeah,this show is the show is like it
it's about both of them now,it's not just one and exist without the
others. So that's cool because I'dmentioned how Vegeta well, I have to
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go back now, I forget whoI said was my favorite character. But
future Trunks, right, was theFuture Trunks? Yeah, Future Runs I
think was one, and then Ithink either Go to A Vegeta was two
and the other one would be three. But yeah, like I'm glad because
I loved Vegeta and I want tosee him sean. I want to see
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more attention brought to him. SoToper has given me what I want in
that sense. Shout out to UltimateCell in the chat, says, I
didn't think dragon Ball would be today, but yeah, so we are pretty
much right now, gonna be doingit around four pm on Mondays, just
filling in until anime Virgin returns andgetting in as much episodes as we can.
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So yeah, that is I UltimateCell used to used to watch our
old episodes two, but I don'tthink we had an episode in like months.
So cool to see. Cool tosee you back, Ultimate and definitely
appropriate name for this podcast. Yeah, so I think we ended up talking
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about how Granola had that kind ofhe ended up changing sides when he found
out about the history there. Thegas ended up coming in and so yeah,
there's that selfless move there where likeyou said, Goku tells Vegeta to
get the sense of being. Butthen Vegeta ends up finding the bean which
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is in his armor, and hegives it to Granola, which for someone
to think about that, what doyou think when because that is the part
we were talking about where Goku islike, all right, Vegeta, I
fucked up, and he did,like you know, he was was not
the best with his use of youknow, getting fucked and then using a
sense of being immediately and then um, you know, having to get beat
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up pretty much again, and sopretty much he said Vegina, it's your
time to shine, and which justlike, really, you're gonna let me
do it? And he's like yeah, and then all of that build up
to just give it away. Sowhat did you think about that decision?
I don't like it. You don'tlike it? Yeah, that's fair,
that's fair. I think that.Yeah, like you said, Goku's handing
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it over to Vegeta to shine,So let's see Vegeta shine instead of all
let's ultra like you said, ultraego Vegeta and it should be about him.
And then he gives a sense youbeing for Granola to shine, which
is like inconsistent from what I thoughthis character would be here in this state
and then like, do I reallywant to see Granola and Gas fighting each
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other? Like that's a good pointto strong, very good. I don't.
I don't care about either of them. No, that's that's good.
I was also like thinking, Granolaversus Gas is just not hype. It's
not one of our main characters.You know, people who are old school
fans don't know either of the characters, right, They've pretty much just been
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introduced this arc. And yeah,definitely it's not the best for hype creation.
But I did say I do respectVegeta's decision because it shows that despite
the fact that he's reached this newform, that even pushed Granola to reach
a new level, right, Sowe didn't mention that. So even though
he was the strongest, this versionof Ageta actually pushed him to grow even
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stronger. So yeah, that's anotherhype thing about Vegeta's new form. Goku
didn't push him to get stronger,but Vegeta's new form push him to get
stronger, and then he unlocked thatother eye. So there was that really
cool part. But the fact isthis arc has been presented as Yo Granola's
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story, right because we started withhim, we figured out his backstory,
his mom was killed by the Heaters, and I feel like Vegeta, who
has seeked revenge plenty of times againstGoku against Freeza, relates to Granola's need
for revenge, and so is beinglike a really good guy here and giving
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it to him. And I respectthat from his character, and I get
that this whole arc has been buildingup Granola's story, and obviously you want
him to get revenge against the peoplethat killed his mother, but I feel
you, man, At the sametime, I really as like a fan
of dragon Ball rather than this specificarc, I just really wanted to see
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Vegeta just fucking kick ass. Well. You know what, when you put
it that way, there, Irespect for Jeta a little bit more in
the sense of I'm saying it's notmy I don't need to shine all the
time, and I'm gonna let thisguy exact his revenge. So when you
put it like that, it's alittle bit better. But still there was
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that level of disappointment. Yeah,and that's that's for I don't think it's
necessarily story pelling bad, but Ithink just for generating high ape and giving
the fans what they want. Youknow, the dark is not over yet.
We'll see what happens, but definitelyI think we'd all be more hype
to see Vegina versus Gas than Granolaversus Gas. But someway or another,
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I don't know what it's going tobe. Somewhere or another. Granola needs
to get his revenge, so whetherit's whether it's just against Elk that he
finishes him off or else, orhe's actually the one who beats Gas.
But I want to say he won'tbeat Gas. I want to I want
to say that one of our maincharacters will beat Gas, and then maybe
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Grinola will get to deal with Elik, who actually killed his mom. I
want to say that because we shouldn'thave a side character beat our main villain,
you know, for the arc.Yeah, though it is mentioned near
the end there how Gas by usinglike instant hellaportation, that it's not like
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he's using it more sloppily than Granola. Yeah, so you do notice there's
some flaws in his flight. Ido think it's gonna flip though. Yeah.
So this last chapter has led usto believe that Granola has a pretty
good chance. And now he's usingoatmeal again like the thing he wears around
his eyes that helps him out,which I think is a good sign because
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let's say Gas is the strongest onhis own, but Granola is getting stronger.
Plus he has this assistant to helphim fight, so maybe like together,
they can surpass gap. So thereis they are making us think that
Granola can win this, but Ipersonally want to say that Granola is not
gonna win and our main character gonnahave to beat him. But then Granola
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might get revenge against Elk or somethinglike that, because yeah, if we
see nothing more from Goquin Magia thisarc, I feel like that would be
super unorthodox and a somewhat unsatisfied conclusionto the arc unless they want to do
something completely out of right field.And again, it's not going to be
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great for the fans. The fansaren't going to care. I also want
to say Valtor said something good intocomments, and I love when you guys
comments something that I totally forgot butI wanted to mention and this is one
of those times. So he saidGas could have a few hours left after
the wish for all we know.That's another very interesting concept that we didn't
talk about, so we know thatGranola had to give up a bunch of
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his lifespan in order to get thisstrong but he chose to do it,
and he knew the consequences. What'sgoing to happen when they find when Gas
finds out that Elik made the wishfor him, and then Gas also has
to like sacrifice his lifespan, whichwe don't know how much. Yeah,
it might even be hours. AndElik was willing to sacrifice him for using
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his power and using him as atool. Right, So there's this whole
possibility that Ass could turn on Elikbecause Elik has been you know, wanting
to not value his life and valuinga victory Moore and value to using him
as a tool. So it'll beinteresting to see what happens. But Elik
is a strategic dude, but ahuge scumbag and he definitely needs to get
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his just deserts this arc. He'sbeen the shittiest guy of the whole arc.
Yeah, so yeah, maybe there'sthis other change that we see character
coming over to the other side.So yeah, it is it's totally possible.
I totally get that. Yeah,we'll see, Like I don't I
don't know if you know. Ido think there needs to be like an
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epic fight against gas. I don'tthink that could be avoided, but I
do think I'm looking forward to seeinghis reaction to figuring out that his family,
the person he looks up to themost, who thinks he's the closest
too, was willing to sacrifice hislife just so he'd be a more useful
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tool. If if that's the case. Right, we don't know exactly what
the consequences of the wish will be, but that's just the implication because of
the way Granola's wish worked. Yeah, no, it could be. Yeah,
man, I love talking about this, Like it's been so long,
so it's it's cool to be ableto talk about Dragon Ball. No,
and this is cool, Like thisis the first time I think we talked
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about an episode or a chapter theday it came out, right, So
we are on the cutting edge rightnow, Like this just came out today
a few hours ago or no wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, he
came out a few hours ago onthe viz dot com app, and yeah
we read it today and now we'retalking about it. So yeah, it's
really cool. Yeah for sure.Yeah, I mean, oh yeah,
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shout out to web Cam who says, I'm so happy there's an episode today
with crying faces. Yes, yes, we're happy, you're happy. Yes,
and we're happy. We're hoping thatyou like GT because that will be
next or not. But like wethe OCD and me wants to like at
least try to cover it. Yeah, we want to like and yeah,
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like, um, you know,it's cool seeing the Dragon Ball Virgin is
still kicking, right. We haven'tmade new episodes in a while, but
I see there are downloads every dayand still people leaving reviews asking when we're
covering GT. So yeah, Iappreciate the love, and yeah, that's
part of the reason we wanted tokeep going and cover GT for sure.
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Is there anything else you think withthese few chapters? I know there weren't
many chapters obviously. Well, theinteresting thing is that Granola it doesn't seem
to be going all out for awhile, right, and he's just using
that weapon creation ability, which isunique and cool. You know, we
had some like bugs Bunny moments wherehe takes the giant mallet and hits Goku
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with it, but it turns outthat's his actual ability, not the dragon
given ubility, and he was usingit because he has this sense of pride
which was hinted at before, andhe wants to beat Granola and the others
just using his own power that hecrafted. Right, But then Granola getting
stronger and teaming out teaming up withOatmeal again pushes him to the point where
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Gas views it as a failure.But he has to resort to his new
powers, and then that's where westart to see the fact that he's not
used to them yet kick in right, the whole thing. But Geta was
mentioning when he was fighting against Granola, they're not yet used to their new
powers because they just got him througha cheap way, for lack of a
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better way of saying it. Sothat's interesting, right, Gas is pride.
I think there's gonna need to besome Gas Goku more from that,
because we know that he's haunted byBardoc and gonna have to get that backstory
right. And then I feel likeGoku and him will have to have some
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more moments because so far he's justbeen kicking Goku's ass, right, But
because Goku is a relation to Bardoc, the guy who embarrassed him before,
I feel like we might get moreof Goku versus versus a Gas, So
it'll be interesting to see how thatplays out. So many moving parts here,
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and I look forward to seeing whereit goes. I thought this latest
chapter was actually the least interesting,just because, as we mentioned, it
was Granola and Gas, right,which to me, I I'm caring more
about Granola than I did before,Like we're learning more about him and stuff
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like that, but you know,I'd still rather see Vegeta in action and
then Granola. Yeah, And it'stough when you get like this has been
a long series in general since DragonBall, and I don't know, I
can't create this super close connection toa character like Granola who was just coming
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in this arc. Sure you getthe backstory, but like, again,
do I really want to see alot of Granola going forward? Like I
don't know, not necessarily, LikeI'd like to see him get his revenge,
but I'm not just dying to seemore Granola and more backstory more like
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Yeah, I like. The reasonI forgive the Granola focus so far is
because even in the backstory it tiedinto Bardock, which is like saves that
because I'm like, holy shit,like okay, that's amazing. I love
Bardock. One of my favorite charactersbringing him back for more is very interesting.
Right. So the reason why Iforgive, or let's say, I'm
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not that bothered by the fact thatwe spend so much time with Granola and
the heaters is because they did ajob of tying it into say, in
history to Bardoc to Freeza. Youknow, they did a good job of
tying it into the existing world ratherthan just let's say, brand new characters
with no connections to the past.Yeah, and the time what the nmeicians
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was pretty interesting as well, likegetting more contexts about them, even though
like, I'm not crazy about thenameicians. It's not like, oh this
is like a part of love aboutdragon Ball so much, but it is
cool to get more like historical contactsof them. Yea, and weeb Cam
was saying how he loves Vegeta's characterand he likes him helping Granola and it
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reminds him of the namic scene whenhe asks Gooku to avenge him, and
yeah, like I think Vegeta's soVeggia got a power up, but also
this are Yeah, there's a focuson his character and if we remember,
there's this recurring thing about Vegeta feelingbad for what he did to the Namicians,
and so I feel like here,by helping another endangured race, you
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know, it's showing a lot ofcharacter growth, and he's become this guy
who really wants to help out andmentor the underdogs. And we saw that
when he did it with the otherssaying from the other universe, and we
saw it with here with Granola,like he's mentoring him at understanding where he's
coming from and giving him a chancewith the sense of being to earn the
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revenge that Vegeta really couldn't because priesuslike too strong, and that's still out
there. So yeah, I'm enjoyingthe Vegeta focus, but like you said,
I don't want I'm okay with whatwe got from Granola so far,
but I don't want like three chaptersfocusing on Granola and then just seeing Vegeta
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and Goku react, right, Like, I don't want that. You know,
this one was enough. They betterbecome more relevant than the next few
chapters. Oh yeah, and hopefullythe next couple of chapters aren't focused on
that fight between them two like Granolaand Gas, because I would just be
I don't want to see that beingdrawn out of Yeah, there's plenty to
look forward to. To. Whatextent is Vegeta's power going to grow and
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what part is it going to playthis arc? Goku, what's he got
to do with gas as Bardock's son, the Bardoc backstory we still need.
There's definitely gonna be the revenge againstelk Alick has a coming, like a
hundred percent know that. So there'sa lot to look forward to. It's
just going to depend on how theyspace it out and the speed and pace
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of it. Hopefully they don't dragit out too much. But so far,
I think it's been pretty good.I do want to say, because
you have way more of a scopeof anime and longer than I do,
like comparatively speaking, because we havebeen focusing on Vegeta for this these few
episodes or these few chapters. Sorry, where would you rank his transformation as
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character compared to like other predominant animeout there? Like? Is he right
near the top in terms of acharacter who was first you know, one
way and then has completely changed intolike another. Because because Dragon Ball Z
is so big, I think hestands out as almost like a face for
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that character. Transformation. But yeah, it just depends on the series because
this is a shown in But thenyou have more like anime that employee realism
and their transformations might be more subtle, right, And might be it might
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be a more character focused than battlefocused series. Um, but I do
think Vegeta when you think about animeand you think about big transformations, Vegeta
is one of the ones that standsout the most among all anime fans.
Yeah. Yeah, because I'm eventhinking of other narratives as well beyond Like,
I'm trying to think I'm a character, and I you know, there
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has to be characters that changed.But I'm trying to think of characters that
changed over the course of the story. And honestly, like maybe it's because
we're just talking about dragon Ball Virgin, but most of them I'm thinking from
dragon Ball, I'm thinking Zenitsu,like from Demon Slayer, he changes,
that's not really a spoiler, buthe changes a lot over the course of
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the series. Um. Yeah,Deku from my hero Academia, Right,
he's changing. Um, but didthey change from like a serious enemy at
the beginning most of the time?No more. No, it's not that
it's not that it's mostly like turningfrom cry baby to badass, like that
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kind of transformation, but no villainto good guy. Um, Naruto has
some good ones. Naruto has somegood transformations a villains the good guys.
Again, I don't want to ruinthat for you because you haven't watched Naruto
yet, but but even I feellike Naruto is heavily inspired by by dragon
Ball. And you have Naruto's likehas an orange jumpsuit and which is very
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reminiscent of Goku's clothing. He hasblonde hair, like he's super Saian all
the time. Like there's just alot of parallels between Naruto and dragon Ball.
Everything goes back to dragon Ball,it seems, I mean, for
this kind of battle shown in thatportrays like a tale of growth of getting
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stronger and stronger and fighting tough opponusand then getting stronger like dragon Ball was
definitely a huge pioneer and probably themost important one because there were battle series
before this, but most of themwere just badass guys being badassed. There
wasn't that focus on constantly getting stronger. Yeah, No, I mean definitely,
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I've seen it, like from acultural perspective, when I you know,
go to different places. A lotof people know, like there's a
lot of dragon Ball merch out there. I've noticed even around this time,
going Christmas shopping, a lot ofdragon Ball out there in the like cultural
ether. So yeah, for sure, Like it's definitely had an impact on
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many different things besides just the shownin anime, and it goes beyond anime.
I love it. Like when Iwould remember in the university, just
made a became friends with some dudein one of my classes and figured out
he had like a four star dragonBall tattoo on his arm, and I'm
like, oh, that's sick,and he's like yeah, bro, Like
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I absolutely loved that story. Inspiresme every day, And it was just
like in no way we were justlike in a class about something completely different.
In no way did I know he'dbe into anime, and yet like
dragon Ball changed his life, right, And he's a dude who like constantly
worked out and dragon Ball like motivatedhim in that way too. I think
a lot of people who work outget inspiration from dragon Ball and like try
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to get dragon Ball, you know, use the idea of going super sayan
to motivate themselves. So yeah,it's just it goes beyond anime. It's
like just a phenomenon that you don'thave to be an anime fan to enjoy.
That reminds me remember that really stupidanecdote I gave how I was driving
one time and I was stopped atlike a light and this guy walked by
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and like the Goku outfit with thewith the with the like kisim or whatever,
and I kind of nodded at him, and he nodded back, and
I'm like, bro, that wasprobably the stupidest creepiest thing, Like,
yeah, what do you mean stupidestcreepiest thing. Well, I just like
I just assumed, like because Ilike you think, like, yeah,
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you think about I thought you werelike interested in him, like in a
different way, and you have justthis pervy smile on your face, just
like yes, yes, no,no, for sure. Yeah. I
think dragon Ball brings a lot ofus together. And yeah, and I
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think anime is growing big time anda lot more anime are becoming mainstream.
And you could judge this in away by looking at in rap what kind
of anime are referenced, And itused to be mostly dragon Ball, then
dragon Ball, Naruto and now youhave like sometimes more obscure stuff. And
yeah, Demon Slayer, like Isaid, is like broke through in a
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big way, in a way whereit's a Japanese focused thing that a lot
of people were exposed too. Sothat's bringing in more people into anime.
And yeah, I just feel likeanimals can get bigger and bigger, and
you know, dragon Ball is abig part of it. But yeah,
now it's just fucking crazy. LikeI didn't think in high school that anime
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would end up being this big.Yeah, you have to definitely share with
me some of those songs that referencedragon Ball. Be curious to listen to
them. Oh yeah, like youcould google it. You could google it,
but like, yeah, for sure, I'll I'll look into it.
All right. Well, guys,um, you know, the we spend
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about a bunch of time here talkingabout how much we love dragon Ball,
so that's sick. But let's remindyou, guys that the dragon Ball GT.
Virgin is starting next week with episodesone to sixteen, so pretty much
covering the Black Star dragon Ball saga. Look forward to that. I'm very
excited. Ray, are you excitedfor that? I am. I'm definitely
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gonna keep like an open mind.Yeah, and I don't think we can
have like yeah, I don't thinkwe could have a huge disappointment because our
expectations are not high. Right,we've measured, you know, like we
don't have like, Yo, thisis gonna be the best thing ever.
We've heard the negative stuff said aboutit. We've heard some pausive stuff.
I get it was said about it. So it'll be interesting going into it
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with an open mind. And untilnext time see US based Cowboys Bang
What up? Everyone, Welcome backto the dragon Ball Virgin Podcast. It's
been quite a while and we arehere to catch up to dragon Ball Super.
In the last episode, which wasour thirty eighth episode, we caught
up all the way to Vegeta's newform and since then, I believe like
about five chapters have come out,so we covered those chapters today. You
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got me goes on from animey upWar, and of course Ray the dragon
Ball Virgin whatep Ray whatep goes in. It's been a long time, but
happy to be back talking about myoriginal anime, dragon Ball. Yeah,
so there's that, and we're goingto also be doing thanks to people suggesting
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it in the reviews, so yeah, we do read the reviews. So
if you guys want some leave suggestions, you can do it through the reviews
of the podcast. And people havebeen asking where is dragon Ball GT And
we're like, all right, sothe anime Virgin, which we do with
Briggs right now, we were doingthe Demon Share Virgin. We're gonna take
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a break from that as Briggs isdoing his own Christmas stuff and we're going
to be bringing back the Dragonball version. Seeing how far we get into GT
as well, so you have thatlooking to look forward to as you wait
for anime version to come back.And yeah, we're gonna be starting next
week hopefully with the episodes one tosixteen of Dragon Ball GT. And I
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think it's called the Black Star dragonBall Saga. Yeah, black Star dragon
Ball Saga. So yeah, forthe first time, I'll be watching Dragon
Ball GT through from beginning to end. So that's gonna be interesting for me
because I just saw like a bitof bit of episodes before. Yeah,
we will both be virgins in somearea. Oh yeah, that's that's pretty
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cool now GT. If I canrecall, this is said in the future,
because the Dragon Ball Super was saidnot too long after Z ended,
right, so this is this isn'tthe future. Yes, so you're gonna
have a lot of older characters.Yeah, like future, like beyond Super.
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It's it's supposed to be i know, always created before Super, but
it's supposed to be yeah after althoughlike it's not cannon in the sense of
it's not considered as cannon as DragonBall Super. It's more so like a
sequel that people don't take too seriously. It should be interesting because I remember
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how Z ended and it was sofreaking weird when Goku and ub just left.
It's like, yeah, I'm gonnaI'm gonna leave my fan, I
gotta train this kid. I'll seeeveryone later. And you thought, what
a weird way to end Dragon BallZ. So yeah, curious to know
m a situation there. Yeah,No, that's gonna be interesting to see.
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But for now, let's talk aboutthe Dragon Ball Super chapters that we're
catching up too. So I believeit's seventy five to seventy nine. So
the last chapter recovered was when Vegetajust turned super, saying no ultra Ego
Vegeta and we didn't even have aname for it at that time. And
now we've saw him fight, whichwas fucking badass. We saw him lose
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Gas. The whole backstory happened withBardoc coming back. Then we had Granola
fighting Gas, losing because he wasalso tired at this point, Goku keeping
Gas busy, and then we finallyhad Vegeta give Granola the sense of being
rather than trying to take the gloryfrom himself, which is, by the
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way, a very unegoic thing todo. So what up super Ultra Ego
Vegita what's what's up with that move? So that's interesting, and then um,
we get the fight between the latestchats we're dropped today, the fight
between Gas and Granola, so wecan start from the beginning. Just want
to give you a rough outline ofwhat we're gonna be covering. Yeah,
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there you go. That's the wholething, folks. You can leave now
now. I'm um. Yeah,what were your thoughts on all this?
Right? You covered it pretty well. We did get to see god of
this What would this be? Iknow you said ultra you called it ultra
ego because that's what he calls himself. Is this God of destruction orm for
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vegeta um god of destruction form fromAga? He's definitely channeling God destruction power.
Yeah, I so it is.It's associated with that. Yeah,
but we don't know, like therecould be. You know, he's not
an official God of destruction. No, there's no formal name for you.
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All right, So yeah, Imean we were talking about how bad he
looked last time, and he definitelydoes. Like again, from an esthetic
point of view, he looks prettycool. And I even like him,
Like I talked about the saying armor, how much I like the saying armor,
but if you recall, there's amoment where the same armor breaks and
you just see kind of that jumpsuitthing he wears underneath the like kind of
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dark blue jumpsuit, and I thinkhe looks pretty bad as there as well.
So as a like again, fromit like an esthetic point of view,
I think this is the coolest formof Vegita we've seen. Yeah,
I gotta agree with you. Ithink that this arc was amazing. Vegeta
wise, like the Vegina lovel wasgreat. We're gonna get to it.
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There was that one part where it'slike the Goku finally gives Vegita to go
ahead. Hey, I used upmy sense of being you didn't use yours.
Go for it, like you know, this is your time to shine,
and then he gives it to Granolarather than taking it for himself,
and it's like, ah, whywhat I gotta say, so far into
arc, if we compare Vegeta andGoku, but Geeta has had way more
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epic moments. Yeah. So,like you mentioned, we have that fight
between him and Granola to start,which I had to remind myself about Granola,
and I'm like, how did Granolaget the strong, and I forgot
it was from the Dragon Balls andwe're I think we talked about this again.
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It was a long time since we'vehad her last episode, but kind
of like the cheapness there that hejust wishes to be the strongest person in
the universe, and there it is. It happened. So I forgot all
about that and then I had toremind myself. So yeah, that fight
was interesting because at first Granolas likeman, the more Vegeta gets kind of
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takes damage, the stronger he gets, which is a very kind kind of
like saying like thing. But thenwe find out, oh yeah for sure,
because it's this whole new form umand you know, get this interesting
battle with um Vegeta using this kindof like Freeza esque like energy bomb like
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um again like Freezer used and shootingat Granola. But then we see again
Granola is not just going to flopover and surrender like he's able to be
resilient. He has that wish,So there's something significant there, and so
it was a pretty you know,interesting battle. At first, it looked
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like Vegeta had the upper hand.Then Granola came in and then that backstory
as well with the heaters and howthey're trying to locate the dragon balls,
which at the time that was veryinteresting, right, Like, did you
think they would bring Bardoc back intoit? I so when they were using
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the dragon balls, I thought itwas going to be to do a similar
wish to what Granola did, butno, I did not see that.
Yeah, that was fucking interesting,and I obviously we talked about it a
bit already, but I like thefact that at least, although that wish
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seems super cheap, right, thereasons why I view it in a forgiving
way is one, you have topay a sacrifice, so you lose lifespan
and stuff like that. It's notjust oh sure, yeah you're the strongest
now, no consequences, so youhave to pay the consequences. Plus,
which I really like, it wasn'tour main characters, So you know,
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enemies are totally cool with using thosepowers, but you know, because they're
they're usually associate antagonists are okay withbeing cheap because, like you know,
it's even harder for our good guysto overcome it. It just would be
stupid if like one of our mainguys would do that, but they would
never do it. So for thatreason, I give it a pass.
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But yeah, I know that upseta lot of people. It's like,
what the fuck you just wish tobe as strongest? Oh, I know,
yeah, it's and it's funny becausewe don't really I mean, we
get way back then in the movieGarlic Junior wishing to be immortal. But
I don't think anyone's ever wished tobe the strongest, Like there have been
characters who have alluded to the fact. I think even Vegeta at one point,
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didn't he say he wanted to wishto be the strongest, like a
long long time ago. But yeah, it's this is I believe the first
time it's ever happened. Yeah forsure, unless like maybe like some random
movie or something like that, butin the Cannon kind of universe. Yeah
yeah, because yeah, like Isaid, the only time I remember anything
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remotely like this is when Garlic Juniorsaid I wish for immortality, and then
we saw they were flaws to thatas well, where sure you could be
like immortal, but it doesn't meanyou're gonna be the strongest, and you
could just be like grinded to apulp and still be alive, but be
useless. So there's always flaws.I've noticed with these wishes. They're not
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always just guaranteed to of course,and it wouldn't. Um. Then there's
also so you do agree that thisis like the coolest Vegeta's looked, right,
uh, even though it's a littlelike short lived, like we don't
yeah so far, but this willdefinitely become like a staple in the series,
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right unless they just blow past itto another form. But I feel
like we're gonna be seeing this fora while, like we saw all trendstinked
with Goku. Yeah, so yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how they
end up bringing like making vegeta relevancegoing forward. I mean you already it
seems like Dragon Ball Super is allabout making Goku and Vegeta relevant, Like
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they just kind of tag back andforth to see he's who's more powerful.
So I feel like this is gonnabe a common trend going forward. But
yeah, I want to see Iwas able to sustain this form and um,
like just as he learns to trainand to fight more in this form,
like what his capabilities are, becausethat's a huge thing in dragon Ball
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like in general is obviously these peopleare making wishes to be like the strongest.
That doesn't mean they're actually able tobe the strongest, because they need
to be able to know how totrain and use these moves. Yeah,
and Vegeta and Goku are just sogood at like being willing to put him
the work exactly, you know,And so that's that's why they would absolutely
never wish for that because obviously it'sshort changed. It's like a part of
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the pride of the warrior, andyou know, you don't exactly it's not
it's not about just wishing to bethe strongest, about the journey getting there,
which which is cool, and beingable to take pride in the fact
that it's your strength, like Vegeta'semphasizing it didn't wasn't just granted to him
by a god. It's like hisown awakened internal strength. So no,
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I love that, But I justwanted to say that, Yes, so
he looks badass, but it's alsolike in the fight itself, the chapter,
the first chapter we're covering in thisepisode, like that's the most badass
he's probably ever been, just justlike taking all the pain, loving it,
like you know, um using itas fuel. Granola saying he's getting
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stronger the more damage he takes.Obviously, eventually a backfires because like the
dude just absorbs so much damage.But at the same time, it's so
awesome seeing him react to it,not even phased. At that one point
where he's about to be killed,He's just like, you know what,
this is supposed to be the faith, the fate of the sayings. Then
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I acknowledge it, So I thoughtthat was he was just so epic and
all of that. It was kindof crazy when he was willing to take
out the whole planet like that wasthat was a one moment thing, and
then he goes back to like beingless egoic after that. I feel like,
but in that one moment, it'slike, bro, like what,
you're gonna destroy the planet, You'regonna destroy Kecker, You're gonn destroy yourself?
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Like what's going on? That wasmy only weird part. Yeah,
for sure, but no, Imean I enjoyed that part and trying to
think after that, we get that. I guess the flashback right when Granola
was a kid and his mom welearned about like the whole situation with the
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sayings going to cereal and we getthe backstory there. Yeah, is that
what happens next? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, we do. We
do jump into the back story.It is during the I feel like we
get a bit of it during thefight between Granola Mageta and then when Munito
steps in, because remember Granola's chargingthat huge attack, which, like you
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know, it's probably will do unparalleleddamage or whatever. And then finally Manito
appears, He's like, no,bro, you were saved by a saying,
and then we jump into the flashback. Yeah, yeah, because all
along and again I had to goback and remind myself with some of these
things. Granola is pissed at thesands because he thought they were like the
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reason for his um like his parentsgetting killed, which we find out like
his father was his father was killedby a sand right, thinking back to
that flashback one of those apes,his father, I don't even recall seeing
his father, or maybe it wasn'this father, maybe someone who looked like
him. There was probably someone ofthe same race or something. Yeah,
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but yeah, the U So yeah, so it was it was the actual
heaters who were the ones who killedthe mother, and so he has this
whole false narrative regarding it was thesands and how like he needs to seek
revenge on them. But then kindof like we've seen this before with with
other story arcs, how like there'sthat false narrative and then it's like with
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Freeze, and then it's disproven that, you know, Freezer was the one
who actually destroyed the planets, Soyeah, that's dispelled from that flashback from
the Nimeckian like you mentioned, wholived with um with Granola, So that
was that eye opening kind of momentfor him. And then obviously what ends
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up happening is they end up kindof having a commonality there of saying,
okay, like the heaters are theones that we should be sort of directing
our attention at based on how evilthey are both in the past and present.
And then the sky turns black andthen we find out that they have
summoned the dragon, which their dragonis pretty interesting because I don't think we've
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seen this dragon. Yeah, Ithink it looks very cool. It definitely
reminds me of like the big goldendragon you know, that we saw during
the Tournament of Power in Design abit. But yeah, I really like
the esthetics of this dragon. Itwas very cool. I think it's if
I had to r rank them,I think this is my favorite, even
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though out of the smaller dragons,even though the first Schenron is just iconic
because he's kind of, you know, the one we're used to. He's
the one who started at all.So yeah, but I do really like
the design of this one. It'sjust so crazy, like there is some
crazy moments here. Although I thinkthat this arc is fire overall because I
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love the Vegeta parts, I lovebringing Bardoc back. I think there's so
much to love in this arc.There is some random stuff about it,
which is like you only need twodragon balls, right like that that to
me is still weird, Like youknow seven is a journey. Two is
like you know that it takes notime potentially. Yeah, it's funny.
I totally forgot about two. Butthen that makes sense because of how quickly
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they're able to like resurrect the dragon. Yeah, she was like, all
right, I got one, Ijust need one more, And I just
forgot that that was the thing there. So that's that is funny, Like
there's no like it's still called dragonball, that's still the root of it.
But that whole like you mentioned thewhole journey of what the show was
before it is totally gone now itwas just this yo um, how much
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powerful can you get to finding theseopponents? Like that whole narrative has has
gone. It's no longer that,which is fine. I mean that only
lasts so long. Yeah, no, so that's that's another interesting part,
like a change or whatever. Butyeah, so let's jump into the to
the bar doc stuff. How crazyis it that we might get to see
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they're hinting at a Gas versus Bardocfight. Yeah, like that, that
to me is fucking crazy, Likehow was Gas way less strong back back
then? Or was Bardoc like waystronger than we thought he was? Right?
Like imagine, you know, he'dhave to be pretty strong because Gas
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always seem to be pretty powerful,Like he still seems to be like this
trusted strong guy of the group backthen. So I'm just wondering. I
can't wait to see how Bardoc won. I appreciated like some of the wholesome,
heartwarming stuff with like Bardoc and Goku. And if you go back to
that chapter, you'll even see likea kid Rabbits. You might have like
skipped over it, but you'll seea cute kid rabbits, and then you
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see like the mom and dad relationshipwith with Bardoc, and I really like
his character here and how he's youknow, he's less badass than the movie
potentially, but you know, it'snice to see him growing as a character
here and deciding unilaterally to save Granolaand his mom despite the fact that you
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know, he's putting himself at risk, his family at risk, going against
Freezer the other sayings. So,yeah, it's very interesting side of Bardoc
that I didn't really think we'd see. Yeah, and you are right there.
So Bardoc was never mentioned any ofthe Cannon before, right, he
was. I think he was here. It's more Yeah, I don't know
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the exact extent of it, butyeah, the movie is not this in
this canon, like this is adifferent Bardoc than the movie Barnock. Yeah,
but I feel like it was alwaysacknowledged that, you know, he's
still Barnock, was still the father. We just are getting more information about
what he was actually like in thisslashback. And I guess that goes to
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show how like a lot of thesecharacters who are like we talked about Brolly
and stuff, like, they havejust such interesting fan interest like the fans
love that, they want to seemore of it, So yeah, maybe
we see more of this. Wementioned about like seeing maybe more of Browley
in the future, so it shouldbe interesting. You mentioned whether there would
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be that potential fight. Wasn't theresomething mentioned about by being like fairly powerful
or sorry not brole Bardock being fairlike fairly powerful at the time? When
where how is that mentioned? Ithought there was something about like like in
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these chapters, in these chapters somewhere, Maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe I'm thinking,
Yeah, you'd have to remind meexactly what you mean, because I
mean, you know, he gotrespect from his friends and family, but
I don't recall like a specific phraseof being like, oh he's super powerful.
Um, but clearly he had therespect of his men, like you
see that, and like his fellowwarriors, and they chose to let him
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do his thing and stay behind.You know. There wasn't like a no,
bro, what are you doing?We're all leaving. You gotta leave
too, So yeah, it wasit was interesting. Um, Like I
said, I liked the wholesome stuff. I like the fact that he associated
his family with Granola's family. Sothen like you got that growth of his
character, him going into help andit almost felt like a prequel to Goku's
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adventures because you got him like withinthe Mechia and then like other people and
like helping them out against you know, So it's you see where Goku gets
his potential. I don't even wantto say this because it's difficult to say
because in the series, like hedoes hit his head, right, he
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was in dragon Ball, he wassort of evil and then he hits his
head and then all of a sudden, he's like not that evil guy anymore.
But I do feel like he wasmore the fact that Bardock was his
father made him more predisposed to endup like this eventually, right, Yeah,
for sure, Like you see parallelsin both of their lives, like
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you said with the Nemechians and thingslike that. Yeah, So even if
it wasn't all like genetics, likeI feel like some of it was genetics
and helped helped to make a Gokuwho he is today, which you see
a lot of his behavior reflected inand now Bardock's behavior. So I was
interesting, Um, what what doyou want to cover next? Well,
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there was like once Gas ended up, they wished about the strength they're similar
to what they did with Granola andGas transformed. I thought, like,
I'm pretty sure they mentioned something likegas can transform or create like weapons out
of nothing. So it's interesting kindof the the weapons he uses to try
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to fight, because it's a littlebit different. It's not just like using
strength like how we normally get withcharacters like using you know, energy waves
or using fists. Like he's actuallyusing some weapons, which, yeah,
it was creative. I like thefact that it was creative as well.
Volt Or says in the comments inthe chat, I guess for Twitch,
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but Jeeta said something about Bardock beinglow class warrior and so yeah, so
actually there was maybe the opposite oflike implying his not as strong as as
we'll see that he is against gas. But what's also interesting, which I
don't think we mentioned, was Gokudidn't even know Bardock was his father,
right, and Vegina had to bethe one to tell him, like,
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yeah, bro, this was yourdad. So it's just so interesting how
Goku never thought to ask Vegina abouthis heritage or like his father, and
it was all about you know,it was all Vegina informing him and telling
him. So I found that hilarious. Don't get in a flashback to when
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um, like Goku was in theincubator, there we get to see Goku's
mom, Yes, yes, AndI don't think have we seen that yet?
I don't think maybe just in themovie, but I don't think so,
because we rewatched the entire series,right, and I think in the
in the special there was that womanhe fought along with who looked like her,
Yeah, right, Like they definitelylooked similar. But no, I
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don't think unless there was like someside stuff or side materials that we haven't
covered. We watched all of theepisodes and we haven't come across his mother
yet. Yeah, so that wasa cool little like reference there that we
haven't gotten at all. So that'sthat's pretty interesting. Yeah, and so
that explains why Goku Sam brought itup, like why don't they wish back
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their fathers? Yeah, Goku didn'teven think about his father, so he's
probably not wishing on not like thinkabout wishing him back. And also there
is something to be said about like, you know, let's not wish back
everyone. You know, people didhave their time to exist and now it's
like the next generation's turn and itwould be weird if like everyone just kept
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wishing, you know, getting wishedback. Yeah, Like we get that
great moment in dragon Ball when ifyou remember when Gohan comes back like his
grandpa and he's like, yeah,I actually enjoy it in this afterlife,
like yeah, it's better than Ithought, And like, let's not kind
of ruin things and keep bringing meout for the sake of bringing me back,
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like just let me be in thekind of like let history be kind
of thing. But again, likedragon Ball totally contradicts that in so many
moments when characters keep getting brought back, but they're usually characters who die,
like who die, Like like rightthere, it's not someone who is being
brought back from a long time ago. So yeah, and obviously Goku has
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to be an exception because although therewere talks about initially Goku not coming back
and then Gohan taking over as likethe main character, you know, Goku
is dragon Ball and so without youyou need him in the story, and
without him you'll see even in GTit's revolving around him, and and the
way they deal with him getting olderis just like actually, I'm not gonna
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spoil it just in case you don'tknow anything. I'm not gonna spoil anything,
but yeah, so I really likeGoku is dragon Ball, and like
Vegeta has become like as important tome as Goku. So yeah, with
them, you gotta bring them backif they die, but hopefully your writing
can be good enough that they're notdying too much, right because because that's
the thing. If if they don'tdie, then it's okay, But if
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they keep dying, keep being wishedback, it just starts to feel cheap,
right, Yeah, that's interesting.You said Vegeta is just as relevant
as Goku at that point, andtotally agree, Like, like I would
hate it. I would hate itso much if Vegeta fell off like became
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like a yamtruck kind of thing nowand then Goku just kept advancing on his
own, Like that would suck sohard. So yeah, I think we
for me at least dragon Ball Superneeds to maintain Vegeta's role in the story
right now. I wished before thatGohans was like not did Gohan didn't fall
off? But now I'm just likeappreciative that Vegeta's playing that important role and
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I just hope he keeps playing it. And if this arc is any indication
he will keep playing it and he'llsometimes outshine Goku like he's been doing this
arc so far. Obviously it's notover, but he's definitely been much more
hype than Goku so far. Yeah, and I would agree that it seems
like what Super has done I wouldseparate itself from Dragon Ball Z. Is
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I think dragon Ball Z was stilllike Goku centered. We get a lot
of Gohan, so you think maybe, like you know, the next series
might be like this handoff too Gohan. But I really think the show has
marketed itself around now Goku and Vegeta. Like I'm sure if you look at
merch now that so much of itis both Goku and Vegeta and it's not
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just like Goku bay himself, whereasbefore maybe in Dragon Ball dragon Ball ZA
was more Goku centered. I totallyagree that, especially like especially before Vegeta
like shows up right, Yeah,this show is the show is like it
it's about both of them now,it's not just one and exist without the
others. So that's cool because I'dmentioned how Vegeta well, I have to
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go back now, I forget whoI said was my favorite character. But
future Trunks, right, was theFuture Trunks? Yeah, Future Runs I
think was one, and then Ithink either Go to A Vegeta was two
and the other one would be three. But yeah, like I'm glad because
I loved Vegeta and I want tosee him sean. I want to see
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more attention brought to him. SoToper has given me what I want in
that sense. Shout out to UltimateCell in the chat, says, I
didn't think dragon Ball would be today, but yeah, so we are pretty
much right now, gonna be doingit around four pm on Mondays, just
filling in until anime Virgin returns andgetting in as much episodes as we can.
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So yeah, that is I UltimateCell used to used to watch our
old episodes two, but I don'tthink we had an episode in like months.
So cool to see. Cool tosee you back, Ultimate and definitely
appropriate name for this podcast. Yeah, so I think we ended up talking
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about how Granola had that kind ofhe ended up changing sides when he found
out about the history there. Thegas ended up coming in and so yeah,
there's that selfless move there where likeyou said, Goku tells Vegeta to
get the sense of being. Butthen Vegeta ends up finding the bean which
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is in his armor, and hegives it to Granola, which for someone
to think about that, what doyou think when because that is the part
we were talking about where Goku islike, all right, Vegeta, I
fucked up, and he did,like you know, he was was not
the best with his use of youknow, getting fucked and then using a
sense of being immediately and then um, you know, having to get beat
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up pretty much again, and sopretty much he said Vegina, it's your
time to shine, and which justlike, really, you're gonna let me
do it? And he's like yeah, and then all of that build up
to just give it away. Sowhat did you think about that decision?
I don't like it. You don'tlike it? Yeah, that's fair,
that's fair. I think that.Yeah, like you said, Goku's handing
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it over to Vegeta to shine,So let's see Vegeta shine instead of all
let's ultra like you said, ultraego Vegeta and it should be about him.
And then he gives a sense youbeing for Granola to shine, which
is like inconsistent from what I thoughthis character would be here in this state
and then like, do I reallywant to see Granola and Gas fighting each
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other? Like that's a good pointto strong, very good. I don't.
I don't care about either of them. No, that's that's good.
I was also like thinking, Granolaversus Gas is just not hype. It's
not one of our main characters.You know, people who are old school
fans don't know either of the characters, right, They've pretty much just been
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introduced this arc. And yeah,definitely it's not the best for hype creation.
But I did say I do respectVegeta's decision because it shows that despite
the fact that he's reached this newform, that even pushed Granola to reach
a new level, right, Sowe didn't mention that. So even though
he was the strongest, this versionof Ageta actually pushed him to grow even
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stronger. So yeah, that's anotherhype thing about Vegeta's new form. Goku
didn't push him to get stronger,but Vegeta's new form push him to get
stronger, and then he unlocked thatother eye. So there was that really
cool part. But the fact isthis arc has been presented as Yo Granola's
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story, right because we started withhim, we figured out his backstory,
his mom was killed by the Heaters, and I feel like Vegeta, who
has seeked revenge plenty of times againstGoku against Freeza, relates to Granola's need
for revenge, and so is beinglike a really good guy here and giving
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it to him. And I respectthat from his character, and I get
that this whole arc has been buildingup Granola's story, and obviously you want
him to get revenge against the peoplethat killed his mother, but I feel
you, man, At the sametime, I really as like a fan
of dragon Ball rather than this specificarc, I just really wanted to see
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Vegeta just fucking kick ass. Well. You know what, when you put
it that way, there, Irespect for Jeta a little bit more in
the sense of I'm saying it's notmy I don't need to shine all the
time, and I'm gonna let thisguy exact his revenge. So when you
put it like that, it's alittle bit better. But still there was
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that level of disappointment. Yeah,and that's that's for I don't think it's
necessarily story pelling bad, but Ithink just for generating high ape and giving
the fans what they want. Youknow, the dark is not over yet.
We'll see what happens, but definitelyI think we'd all be more hype
to see Vegina versus Gas than Granolaversus Gas. But someway or another,
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I don't know what it's going tobe. Somewhere or another. Granola needs
to get his revenge, so whetherit's whether it's just against Elk that he
finishes him off or else, orhe's actually the one who beats Gas.
But I want to say he won'tbeat Gas. I want to I want
to say that one of our maincharacters will beat Gas, and then maybe
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Grinola will get to deal with Elik, who actually killed his mom. I
want to say that because we shouldn'thave a side character beat our main villain,
you know, for the arc.Yeah, though it is mentioned near
the end there how Gas by usinglike instant hellaportation, that it's not like
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he's using it more sloppily than Granola. Yeah, so you do notice there's
some flaws in his flight. Ido think it's gonna flip though. Yeah.
So this last chapter has led usto believe that Granola has a pretty
good chance. And now he's usingoatmeal again like the thing he wears around
his eyes that helps him out,which I think is a good sign because
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let's say Gas is the strongest onhis own, but Granola is getting stronger.
Plus he has this assistant to helphim fight, so maybe like together,
they can surpass gap. So thereis they are making us think that
Granola can win this, but Ipersonally want to say that Granola is not
gonna win and our main character gonnahave to beat him. But then Granola
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might get revenge against Elk or somethinglike that, because yeah, if we
see nothing more from Goquin Magia thisarc, I feel like that would be
super unorthodox and a somewhat unsatisfied conclusionto the arc unless they want to do
something completely out of right field.And again, it's not going to be
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great for the fans. The fansaren't going to care. I also want
to say Valtor said something good intocomments, and I love when you guys
comments something that I totally forgot butI wanted to mention and this is one
of those times. So he saidGas could have a few hours left after
the wish for all we know.That's another very interesting concept that we didn't
talk about, so we know thatGranola had to give up a bunch of
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his lifespan in order to get thisstrong but he chose to do it,
and he knew the consequences. What'sgoing to happen when they find when Gas
finds out that Elik made the wishfor him, and then Gas also has
to like sacrifice his lifespan, whichwe don't know how much. Yeah,
it might even be hours. AndElik was willing to sacrifice him for using
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his power and using him as atool. Right, So there's this whole
possibility that Ass could turn on Elikbecause Elik has been you know, wanting
to not value his life and valuinga victory Moore and value to using him
as a tool. So it'll beinteresting to see what happens. But Elik
is a strategic dude, but ahuge scumbag and he definitely needs to get
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his just deserts this arc. He'sbeen the shittiest guy of the whole arc.
Yeah, so yeah, maybe there'sthis other change that we see character
coming over to the other side.So yeah, it is it's totally possible.
I totally get that. Yeah,we'll see, Like I don't I
don't know if you know. Ido think there needs to be like an
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epic fight against gas. I don'tthink that could be avoided, but I
do think I'm looking forward to seeinghis reaction to figuring out that his family,
the person he looks up to themost, who thinks he's the closest
too, was willing to sacrifice hislife just so he'd be a more useful
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tool. If if that's the case. Right, we don't know exactly what
the consequences of the wish will be, but that's just the implication because of
the way Granola's wish worked. Yeah, no, it could be. Yeah,
man, I love talking about this, Like it's been so long,
so it's it's cool to be ableto talk about Dragon Ball. No,
and this is cool, Like thisis the first time I think we talked
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about an episode or a chapter theday it came out, right, So
we are on the cutting edge rightnow, Like this just came out today
a few hours ago or no wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, he
came out a few hours ago onthe viz dot com app, and yeah
we read it today and now we'retalking about it. So yeah, it's
really cool. Yeah for sure.Yeah, I mean, oh yeah,
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shout out to web Cam who says, I'm so happy there's an episode today
with crying faces. Yes, yes, we're happy, you're happy. Yes,
and we're happy. We're hoping thatyou like GT because that will be
next or not. But like wethe OCD and me wants to like at
least try to cover it. Yeah, we want to like and yeah,
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like, um, you know,it's cool seeing the Dragon Ball Virgin is
still kicking, right. We haven'tmade new episodes in a while, but
I see there are downloads every dayand still people leaving reviews asking when we're
covering GT. So yeah, Iappreciate the love, and yeah, that's
part of the reason we wanted tokeep going and cover GT for sure.
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Is there anything else you think withthese few chapters? I know there weren't
many chapters obviously. Well, theinteresting thing is that Granola it doesn't seem
to be going all out for awhile, right, and he's just using
that weapon creation ability, which isunique and cool. You know, we
had some like bugs Bunny moments wherehe takes the giant mallet and hits Goku
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with it, but it turns outthat's his actual ability, not the dragon
given ubility, and he was usingit because he has this sense of pride
which was hinted at before, andhe wants to beat Granola and the others
just using his own power that hecrafted. Right, But then Granola getting
stronger and teaming out teaming up withOatmeal again pushes him to the point where
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Gas views it as a failure.But he has to resort to his new
powers, and then that's where westart to see the fact that he's not
used to them yet kick in right, the whole thing. But Geta was
mentioning when he was fighting against Granola, they're not yet used to their new
powers because they just got him througha cheap way, for lack of a
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better way of saying it. Sothat's interesting, right, Gas is pride.
I think there's gonna need to besome Gas Goku more from that,
because we know that he's haunted byBardoc and gonna have to get that backstory
right. And then I feel likeGoku and him will have to have some
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more moments because so far he's justbeen kicking Goku's ass, right, But
because Goku is a relation to Bardoc, the guy who embarrassed him before,
I feel like we might get moreof Goku versus versus a Gas, So
it'll be interesting to see how thatplays out. So many moving parts here,
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and I look forward to seeing whereit goes. I thought this latest
chapter was actually the least interesting,just because, as we mentioned, it
was Granola and Gas, right,which to me, I I'm caring more
about Granola than I did before,Like we're learning more about him and stuff
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like that, but you know,I'd still rather see Vegeta in action and
then Granola. Yeah, And it'stough when you get like this has been
a long series in general since DragonBall, and I don't know, I
can't create this super close connection toa character like Granola who was just coming
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in this arc. Sure you getthe backstory, but like, again,
do I really want to see alot of Granola going forward? Like I
don't know, not necessarily, LikeI'd like to see him get his revenge,
but I'm not just dying to seemore Granola and more backstory more like
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Yeah, I like. The reasonI forgive the Granola focus so far is
because even in the backstory it tiedinto Bardock, which is like saves that
because I'm like, holy shit,like okay, that's amazing. I love
Bardock. One of my favorite charactersbringing him back for more is very interesting.
Right. So the reason why Iforgive, or let's say, I'm
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not that bothered by the fact thatwe spend so much time with Granola and
the heaters is because they did ajob of tying it into say, in
history to Bardoc to Freeza. Youknow, they did a good job of
tying it into the existing world ratherthan just let's say, brand new characters
with no connections to the past.Yeah, and the time what the nmeicians
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was pretty interesting as well, likegetting more contexts about them, even though
like, I'm not crazy about thenameicians. It's not like, oh this
is like a part of love aboutdragon Ball so much, but it is
cool to get more like historical contactsof them. Yea, and weeb Cam
was saying how he loves Vegeta's characterand he likes him helping Granola and it
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reminds him of the namic scene whenhe asks Gooku to avenge him, and
yeah, like I think Vegeta's soVeggia got a power up, but also
this are Yeah, there's a focuson his character and if we remember,
there's this recurring thing about Vegeta feelingbad for what he did to the Namicians,
and so I feel like here,by helping another endangured race, you
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know, it's showing a lot ofcharacter growth, and he's become this guy
who really wants to help out andmentor the underdogs. And we saw that
when he did it with the otherssaying from the other universe, and we
saw it with here with Granola,like he's mentoring him at understanding where he's
coming from and giving him a chancewith the sense of being to earn the
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revenge that Vegeta really couldn't because priesuslike too strong, and that's still out
there. So yeah, I'm enjoyingthe Vegeta focus, but like you said,
I don't want I'm okay with whatwe got from Granola so far,
but I don't want like three chaptersfocusing on Granola and then just seeing Vegeta
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and Goku react, right, Like, I don't want that. You know,
this one was enough. They betterbecome more relevant than the next few
chapters. Oh yeah, and hopefullythe next couple of chapters aren't focused on
that fight between them two like Granolaand Gas, because I would just be
I don't want to see that beingdrawn out of Yeah, there's plenty to
look forward to. To. Whatextent is Vegeta's power going to grow and
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what part is it going to playthis arc? Goku, what's he got
to do with gas as Bardock's son, the Bardoc backstory we still need.
There's definitely gonna be the revenge againstelk Alick has a coming, like a
hundred percent know that. So there'sa lot to look forward to. It's
just going to depend on how theyspace it out and the speed and pace
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of it. Hopefully they don't dragit out too much. But so far,
I think it's been pretty good.I do want to say, because
you have way more of a scopeof anime and longer than I do,
like comparatively speaking, because we havebeen focusing on Vegeta for this these few
episodes or these few chapters. Sorry, where would you rank his transformation as
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character compared to like other predominant animeout there? Like? Is he right
near the top in terms of acharacter who was first you know, one
way and then has completely changed intolike another. Because because Dragon Ball Z
is so big, I think hestands out as almost like a face for
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that character. Transformation. But yeah, it just depends on the series because
this is a shown in But thenyou have more like anime that employee realism
and their transformations might be more subtle, right, And might be it might
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be a more character focused than battlefocused series. Um, but I do
think Vegeta when you think about animeand you think about big transformations, Vegeta
is one of the ones that standsout the most among all anime fans.
Yeah. Yeah, because I'm eventhinking of other narratives as well beyond Like,
I'm trying to think I'm a character, and I you know, there
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has to be characters that changed.But I'm trying to think of characters that
changed over the course of the story. And honestly, like maybe it's because
we're just talking about dragon Ball Virgin, but most of them I'm thinking from
dragon Ball, I'm thinking Zenitsu,like from Demon Slayer, he changes,
that's not really a spoiler, buthe changes a lot over the course of
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the series. Um. Yeah,Deku from my hero Academia, Right,
he's changing. Um, but didthey change from like a serious enemy at
the beginning most of the time?No more. No, it's not that
it's not that it's mostly like turningfrom cry baby to badass, like that
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kind of transformation, but no villainto good guy. Um, Naruto has
some good ones. Naruto has somegood transformations a villains the good guys.
Again, I don't want to ruinthat for you because you haven't watched Naruto
yet, but but even I feellike Naruto is heavily inspired by by dragon
Ball. And you have Naruto's likehas an orange jumpsuit and which is very
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reminiscent of Goku's clothing. He hasblonde hair, like he's super Saian all
the time. Like there's just alot of parallels between Naruto and dragon Ball.
Everything goes back to dragon Ball,it seems, I mean, for
this kind of battle shown in thatportrays like a tale of growth of getting
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stronger and stronger and fighting tough opponusand then getting stronger like dragon Ball was
definitely a huge pioneer and probably themost important one because there were battle series
before this, but most of themwere just badass guys being badassed. There
wasn't that focus on constantly getting stronger. Yeah, No, I mean definitely,
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I've seen it, like from acultural perspective, when I you know,
go to different places. A lotof people know, like there's a
lot of dragon Ball merch out there. I've noticed even around this time,
going Christmas shopping, a lot ofdragon Ball out there in the like cultural
ether. So yeah, for sure, Like it's definitely had an impact on
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many different things besides just the shownin anime, and it goes beyond anime.
I love it. Like when Iwould remember in the university, just
made a became friends with some dudein one of my classes and figured out
he had like a four star dragonBall tattoo on his arm, and I'm
like, oh, that's sick,and he's like yeah, bro, Like
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I absolutely loved that story. Inspiresme every day, And it was just
like in no way we were justlike in a class about something completely different.
In no way did I know he'dbe into anime, and yet like
dragon Ball changed his life, right, And he's a dude who like constantly
worked out and dragon Ball like motivatedhim in that way too. I think
a lot of people who work outget inspiration from dragon Ball and like try
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to get dragon Ball, you know, use the idea of going super sayan
to motivate themselves. So yeah,it's just it goes beyond anime. It's
like just a phenomenon that you don'thave to be an anime fan to enjoy.
That reminds me remember that really stupidanecdote I gave how I was driving
one time and I was stopped atlike a light and this guy walked by
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and like the Goku outfit with thewith the with the like kisim or whatever,
and I kind of nodded at him, and he nodded back, and
I'm like, bro, that wasprobably the stupidest creepiest thing, Like,
yeah, what do you mean stupidestcreepiest thing. Well, I just like
I just assumed, like because Ilike you think, like, yeah,
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you think about I thought you werelike interested in him, like in a
different way, and you have justthis pervy smile on your face, just
like yes, yes, no,no, for sure. Yeah. I
think dragon Ball brings a lot ofus together. And yeah, and I
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think anime is growing big time anda lot more anime are becoming mainstream.
And you could judge this in away by looking at in rap what kind
of anime are referenced, And itused to be mostly dragon Ball, then
dragon Ball, Naruto and now youhave like sometimes more obscure stuff. And
yeah, Demon Slayer, like Isaid, is like broke through in a
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big way, in a way whereit's a Japanese focused thing that a lot
of people were exposed too. Sothat's bringing in more people into anime.
And yeah, I just feel likeanimals can get bigger and bigger, and
you know, dragon Ball is abig part of it. But yeah,
now it's just fucking crazy. LikeI didn't think in high school that anime
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would end up being this big.Yeah, you have to definitely share with
me some of those songs that referencedragon Ball. Be curious to listen to
them. Oh yeah, like youcould google it. You could google it,
but like, yeah, for sure, I'll I'll look into it.
All right. Well, guys,um, you know, the we spend
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about a bunch of time here talkingabout how much we love dragon Ball,
so that's sick. But let's remindyou, guys that the dragon Ball GT.
Virgin is starting next week with episodesone to sixteen, so pretty much
covering the Black Star dragon Ball saga. Look forward to that. I'm very
excited. Ray, are you excitedfor that? I am. I'm definitely
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gonna keep like an open mind.Yeah, and I don't think we can
have like yeah, I don't thinkwe could have a huge disappointment because our
expectations are not high. Right,we've measured, you know, like we
don't have like, Yo, thisis gonna be the best thing ever.
We've heard the negative stuff said aboutit. We've heard some pausive stuff.
I get it was said about it. So it'll be interesting going into it
(51:58):
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