THE STATE OF WRESTLING IN 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Good Wednesday. Wednesday evening Tonight is November nineteen, twenty twenty five.
This is the experience of Juiari experience here on wherever
you're listening to this at iTunes, Spotify, YouTube, potessional, on
YouTube after the fact. Welcome. My name is Justin from

(00:57):
spine Bushes and spine bug dot com. Is uh you
know he's not He's not here tonight, but we do
have a replacement for Drew here tonight. And you he's
a very very you know him, very very well. He's
very very familiar with the show. You're very very familiar
with him. Go ahead introduce yourself, my man.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
It is I Rjie the Brooklyn Savage. How is everybody
doing tonight? Justin? Once again, long time no talk. I
am very very blessed to be on tonight filing in
for mister Yari. Hope he enjoys what we do. I'm
pretty damn sure he's gonna enjoy what we're gonna do tonight,
and I hope everybody else enjoys it as well. So yeah, man,

(01:42):
looking forward to what we got on a docket tonight
for the show.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
As you know, I am different. I am different. I
don't like to do the the cookie cutter type of
shit on anything where if it's you know, making food
or you know, picking an outfit or anything like that,
Tonight's podcast ain't gonna be the normal cookie color podcast,

(02:08):
which is nothing wrong with that, It's just not the
way I like to do things personally. Tonight, we are
gonna talk about SmackDown, We are gonna talk about raw
n X T some a w because Full Gears this weekend,
as well a couple of news tipics. But the main
chuck of the podcast tonight is to me and I

(02:30):
know to a lot of other pro wrestling fans. Uh,
the year twenty and twenty five has not been it
for pro wrestling in general. AE w, WWE, TNA, they
they really did some weird shit over the weekend, just
just a little Literally everything New Japan, if you if

(02:51):
you're in New Japan, literally almost everything in pro wrestling
has been not the best. So we're just gonna talk
about We're gonna open form and talk about the stare
pro wrestling in twenty twenty five. So I think that'll
be a good conversation to have with me and r J.
And Yeah, I think I think that's something that a

(03:14):
lot of people want to hear our opinions on But
but first things first, let's get the get the good
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you guys are all here today. So let's do that.

(04:00):
Let's go ahead and get the retention up and views
up and all that stuff going into twenty twenty six.
First things first, let's throw off with SmackDown that happened
over Friday. We're not going to review the whole show.
We're just not. There's no reason to the show sucked.
If you really want to know my blunt pinion, the

(04:21):
show fucking sucked.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
But there are some I go ahead, I echo his
opinion his thought too, it fucking sucked.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh yeah, speaking of speaking of sucking SmackDown is going
to three hours. I have a lot of I have
a lot of news tops, but I forgot to bring
that up, and that's my fault. I don't remember when
it was. I don't know if it's gonna be in
January or February or where the date is you did
you know the date by chance or more or less

(04:51):
round when my downs going back three hours?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
No, I didn't know the date, but from the oppression
I got it was going to be earlier in the
new year. With me and my friends were talking about yesterday,
was that maybe they're doing this for Mania season to
try to ramp up as much storylines as they came
on the smack Down side for Mania season, which.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I thought the same thing as well.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, Which, if that's the case, we gotta start using
guys for the future and start putting them on more
prominent storylines and stuff like that, right, you know, I
think that's missing justin I think, and I don't want
to jump ahead, but that's one of the things that
I have a problem with nowadays and wrestling, especially particularly

(05:35):
in we It's like if you get it and others don't, Right,
But yeah, we're gonna talk about that a little bit
later on, but I think that's a good opportunity to
now do that. So three hours it has its pros
and it has its cons. Obviously, more people get more
television time, more time for development. But yeah, I'm kind
of I'm mixed about it. I'm mixed about it because SmackDown,

(05:57):
when it was three hours last year, it was definitely
not good. Yeah, definitely not good.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, somehow it has gotten worse when it went to
two hours, and you know, we thought it was going
to be better, better than what it was. But uh,
just want to ask you for a SmackDown from this
Friday or this past Friday, from November the fourteenth, what
was your biggest takeaway from the show?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
That work? Great matches? Isn't everything in WWE true? Did
you Did you see how quiet they were for Ilia
dragon Off and Axiom. Yeah, that's until until the finish. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I guess they were happy because it was over, but
I mean it wasn't. I mean it was it was
a damn good match, but you know it was.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's phenomenal. And there's no bones for me personally, no
bones on Axiom or yeah, Axiom and Draggon Off a
lot of them both. They're great wrestlers, but have they
given the fans a reason to care about either man?
Let's be honest, let's be real. Where is the video

(07:02):
packages for dragging off training like a Madman? Right? Like
there was no hin, there was no we. The fans,
Little Timmy and Little Johnny don't know why they should
care about dragging Off Hell. Little Timmy and Little Johnny
don't know why they should care about actual him and
Nathan Fraser. Little Timmy and Little Johnny don't know why

(07:22):
they should care about Ray Phoenix. You know what I'm saying,
Matt is an ongoing issue and pro problem for me
when it comes to w B in twenty twenty five.
It's like we lost the plot on introducing people to
the roster.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yep, yep. That that you're speaking yours your you're echoing
my sentiment right there, and and that's a little bit
of preview for later on uh, later on the podcast,
we're gonna be talking about the current standp for wrestling
in twenty twenty five. To me, my biggest takeaway and

(07:54):
I was going to keep it easy, it's the return
to Zach Ryder One night Only, right, he's not signed
to a WWE deal. He is signed to a temporary
contract for his likeness and for merchandise so they can
be able to use his merchandise for obviously, he already
has three T shirts that are out that are that
are best selling as of right now. And maybe he'll

(08:17):
get like action figures and things that nature, which is
selfish for me because you know, obviously, if you guys
have been listening to this podcast, I run a wrestling business,
and you know, and you know and action figures is
a big thing. So so we get get more zach
Ry action figures as that's very good, you know, So
you know I listened. I listen to his podcasts on

(08:37):
the regular two as well every week because I gotta
keep up with my Action figure news and and I
generally like the dynamic between uh Cardona, Brian Myers, and
Mark Sterling. I think I think all three of them
are very good. What they do. They talk about the
wrestling and obviously Action figure as well. About eight percent
of it is about you know, wrestling, action figures and
news and thinks of that nature. But but I was

(08:59):
listening to it in the car yesterday and I was
actually on YouTube as well, talking about he's not signed
to WWE. The Zach Ryder was a one night thing,
as is Dob Zigler was a one night thing on
and Raw. We'll talk about that a little bit too
as well. But to me though, him coming back, you

(09:24):
know a lot of people say, hey, it should have
been in the garden, should have been in the garden,
But you know, I think I think it was more
of a surprise this way because we expected the garden.
It just ended being Albany, which is not a bad thing.
But but yeah, I know, it's good to see him
out there, and you know, I hope that he gets

(09:44):
a second look at from WWE. But to me, though,
if I'm being real with myself, love Matt Cardona. I
love what he does. Knowing WWE's history, current history from
twenty twenty five and maybe even from Midtween twenty four
to twenty twenty five as right now, do you see

(10:06):
WWE utilizing zach Ryder as a big time superstar, I
personally do not. I can see him being United States Champion,
air connown Champion, game main events, flirting with the main
event as far as oh gain a title match, but

(10:27):
seeing him being a champion, top champion. No, if they're
not doing with La Night, they're not gonna do with
Zach Ryder. Unfortunately unfortunate because I think he has that talent,
but it's just the way that it is. What were
your thoughts about Zach Ryder coming back to WW for
one Night.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I liked it. I liked it. I think Writer was
one of those guys that was over not about his
ring work, but he was over with the catchphrases and this,
that and the other. I always say it all the time.
You have to be able to talk to people in
the building. They have to be able to talk to
people in the building. And when you've done that, that's

(11:07):
half the job done right. That's a piece of the draw.
I think the Rock was over right. I think Austin
was over. They wouldn't technicians before to be standards. Talking
is a key point into getting people into the building,
and Zach Ryder is I'm not saying he's on the
level of Rock and Austin. Don't get me twisted, but
he was a guy that had a catchphrase that would

(11:30):
He was fun and people liked having fun with him
until he got two over and we had to beat
the fun and beat all that shit out of him.
But if they were to bring him back, which I
can see them bringing him back, especially if these T
shirts are selling the way he's talking about how they're selling,
and I have no doubts that the selling, because the
T shirts are you know a lot of his vintage stuff.

(11:52):
I think one of the shirts might be new, but
the other I know, the other two take care of
spike your hair. I know that's a vintage one. But
zach Rod had some cool shirts. He has some really
cool shirts back then.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
So if I can, if I can typer, sorry interrupt,
because I think this is dis a point that that's
very very important. So Matt Cardona, you know that. I
don't know if you know this or not, but since
I'm part of this business, it's very important to bring up.

(12:24):
You know, he has his own toy line, right, Yeah,
he does. He has his own toy line. So he's
in current partnership with a e W as of right
now making certain toys, uh for certain wrestlers. So they
got like uh, they got like Sting, they got Adam Copeland,

(12:45):
you know, hey man Page, So they got well allspray.
So they got guys. That's gonna be part of their
toy line. I I don't foresee him being back in
w W E. And I mean unless they fully cut
tie is with AW. Do I see him still having
his toy line In general, that's tough because obviously that's

(13:09):
money that WW is not making. And you know how
w W wants wants. They're hand and e every piece
of the cookie jar. So damn unless now unless if
if they you know, have them license a certain have
them license uh, you know, partnership with this toy line.

(13:32):
I think it could be something like that as well.
I just want to bring that up because I think
that's important, right because generally WW doesn't let people, they
don't sign people in that nature. So maybe maybe you
can deal with something like that. But but I think
that's important though, But please continue.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I think with t k O, if you know, TK
is all about their money right now, right if this
continues to sell out, they might put the pressure on
Triplets to sign this man to a contract. And he's
got I know, people saying he's got like a merch
deal or something like that. But maybe he wants zach
Rder to help draw in some extra people. This is

(14:09):
why TK oshand never got rid of house shows. Because
if they didn't get rid of house shows, zach Rder
would definitely be prefect for a lot of the house shows.
You know that for a fact, him in La Knight
forget it. You know what I'm saying, Those are some
of the reasons why you go to house shows more
than you go to a TV Yeah, but yeah, I
could definitely see them pressure and triple h Hay. Let's
bring this motherfucker back, man. He's he got a great

(14:31):
reaction when he came out. His T shirts is selling,
and that's a part of what makes him breaks for wrestler.
In a lot of people's eyes, if they can draw
and drawing a part drawing his merchandise, you know, merchan cells,
it's this guy an asset to a somehow, some way,
and zach Rder could definitely be that in the merchandise department.

(14:53):
So I guess we're gonna have to see what happens there.
But I wouldn't be surprised. I put it to you
this way. Justin wouldn't be surprised if he did see
him on TV again for the in the foreseeable future.
Don't know when, maybe Rumble maybe afterwards, don't know, but
I wouldn't be surprised if plus correctly from wrong. I

(15:13):
know nobody here is like a contract Gurul, but he
doesn't have like a contract with Impact, right.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
He's not exclusive, Okay, so he can so so this
year so well, well, in a twelve month period, let
me just say that, not fully this year, in a
twelve month period, he's appeared at a w ring of
honor n XT WWE, t NA, g c W n

(15:42):
w A. He's the first wrestler ever to do that
because he because he's not exclusively anywhere, he's basically fucking
like abouci a fucking America much. Yeah, freelancing freelancer pretty
much right, So yeah, he he's he's one of the
hardest working guys in the business right now. So it

(16:04):
definitely is, yeah, for sure. So learrit thoughts down below
in the comment section. If you're watching us here on YouTube,
or even if you're listening us here on Spotify or iTunes,
leave it coming and tell us your thoughts about SmackDown
and Zach Ryder returning to the w w E. Moving

(16:25):
on to Monday Night Raw. Raw was a damn good
show anytime when you have a lineup in and you're
in Nasson Square Garden. You have people like John Cena. Uh,
you know, you have fucking you know, title matches galore,
you have the return of of Dolf Zigler, Roman Rains

(16:45):
comes back, you know, brock Lesser comes back. You know,
Gut comes back to have a match. It ends up
being a batsheld and that's probably that's just complete malpractice.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
So absolutely I agree. Yeah, it's like, it's like, to me,
this is what's been missing from at least in the
main roster in particular, I want to exclude the NXT
from that. Is not a lot happens. It's just match match, match,
match match. Not too many big things happen from week

(17:20):
to week that make you go, damn, I gotta see
what happens next week. Oh ship, brock Lester came back tonight,
all right, let's see who's going at the YadA YadA YadA.
And the one time they do do something like that,
they fumble it right away within the next the first
five minutes of the next week's show. So it's just like, damn,
we got to get back to having those moments and

(17:41):
having things happen instead of just match match match.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Matcht Yeah on Raw from this Past Money. What was
your biggest takeaway from the show.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
My biggest takeaway from the show is that this is
what looks like when they're when they're good, when they
when they are motivated to be good. Yeah, things happened,
title changes happened, Things weren't too predictable, like he kind
of had an idea where certain things were going. But

(18:15):
you still enjoyed the ride anyways, and it didn't kill
your enjoyment of shows in the match. This is what
w could be when they're on par and when they're
doing what they have to do to be good. This
is them at some of the finest.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I literally told my friend, I was like, look, I
mean the show wasn't born Monday. The show was actually
really good. I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
It was a really good show there. I mean, they're
in Massive Squark Guarden. The crowd was hot. You know
John Cena, you know, he came out there and he's
taking it all in. This is his last raw, and
his last raw is in Massive Squark Guarden. I think
this is a perfect way to in his his TV career,

(19:05):
if that makes sense. Uh to end his TV career
in a way, and he ended up uh, you know,
uh going out there. Dominic Maceira came out there to
interrupt him. They set up a match for Survivor Series
rematch from their Condal Championship. Then you have the Judgment

(19:26):
Day come out there of j D McDonough and Finn
Balor and it ull being a six man tag where
the unction of John Cena, Seamus and Raymons stereo. So
I'm glad that they were able to involve some people
from the like like if you if you grew up
during the PG era, you were you were marking out

(19:47):
like you were marking out that three of the the
greats from the PGR were teamed up for the last time,
uh to go up against you know, the the second
top heel fact and and on raw of the Judgment Day.
So I ended up of course being the baby faces

(20:09):
ended up winning of course, and Johnsenna goes out on
top of his last raw as a winner. Any any
takeaways from the match.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Nah man, it was fun. You know what this match
reminded me of? And I mean obviously did your grown
ass man. You could disagree with me if you if
you feel that way. But just to me, it felt
like a fun house show made event match.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh yeah, no, no, yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah,
I see exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Like they were just having fun and it would just.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Feels like a square garden house show match instead of
a massive square garden tee you match. I I know,
I agree with you for sure.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah no, that's that was what was running through my
head the whole entire time, because I mean, me and you,
between me and you, we've been to plenty house shows
and we've seen matches and stuff like that, Like that's
exactly the vibe that it gave off. But it was
just absolutely fun. I love it.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, for sure. Skipping the hair on raw, We're not
gonna talk about every single thing here. If you really
care about Nikki bella attacking step of a care, I'm
sorry this this is not the right podcast for you.
I mean, I don't know nobody, I don't care. I
like both women individually, but but like who cares really?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah? Look, I've been campaigning for them to give Stephanie
Vekers the type of story, so I can't really complain
on that aspect, but I will say this we have
uh you know man abuser, Nicki Bella running wild on TV.
You know, just losing matches and then getting title matches

(21:55):
is like, what are we doing? This doesn't make any sense,
but you know, it is what it is. At the
end of the day, I know, I know what's gonna
be my pitch break for war games. That could tell
you that much.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Moving ahead, we have a last Time is Now tournament
match sols the call versus a mystery opponent and being
Dolf Ziggler not Nick Nammuth. He got probably one of
the biggest pops of the year. It's up there is

(22:34):
the top top ten, one of the biggest pops of
the year. Just shows you how well it shows you
to the audience. You don't know what you missed until
it's gone. Uh. Ziggler has always been one of my
favorites period. He's not like he's not like he's not
like in my top ten of all time. He's not

(22:54):
but from from the era of like PG era and
you know you know that era in like twenty thirteen,
twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, Like he was like one of
my top threes for sure.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, dude, I wasn't watching when he first came back
as dollghs Zigglar back in what two eight nine ish?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Oh watch? Yeah, I was yeah. I became a fan
of the once he at that match against Raymond Stereo
at SummerSlam, I believe was nine. I was like, yeah,
this guy's fucking money. He lost that match, I remember that,
but I was like, man, this this guy's money. Man.
He came back and uh he gave Sosicle his best
singles match of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
He gave his best singles match since fucking the match
of Carmelo Hayes and NXT in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Might yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm not gonna argue
that uh Ziggler is he had. He is one of
the best sellers and probably is still the best seller
in the business as of today. He makes his opponents
look good, I'll say, outside of maybe Ricochet as far

(24:02):
as selling wise, Ricochet makes all of it because a
lot of his opponents look great in the ring too
as well.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, absolutely selling. I mean, if people want to know
how to sell, especially for high flyers and for smaller
technical wrestlers, look no further than dogs Ricochet.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're they're both fantastic, and what
they do Solo defeats Ziggler UH with Spike and being
with the Gun with the one two three, Ziggler and
Cardona does not advance, which to me for the people
who were shocked and surprised by that, why why why

(24:42):
would contracts exactly why would w W advance two of
their not non contractual wrestlers makes no sense to me.
The moment, the moment is great. The moment of them
coming out there, both of them, is greater than them
winning h then winning, then winning then winning could have

(25:03):
been a cherry on top, but like they didn't need
it either at the same time, so he.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Justin excuse me one second, glhead and continue. I will
be right back.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, go ahead, yeah, yeah, go for it. So yeah,
dob Ziggler losing, Cardona losing losing, well, Ziggler, but Ziggler
and Ryder losing. It doesn't at the end of the day,
it doesn't really matter. They're not signed to w W.

(25:33):
E The there there returns me much more than uh
if they were winning or not. Next moving on, we
have Alexa Bliss promo that who cares their center war games.
The only thing I care about in this war games
match is rear Ripley and Kyrie saying versus OSCA, and

(26:01):
I said, raver blinkyr is saying rare relying EO, sorry
EO versus Oscar and Kyrie. Everyone else in his matches
just filler, because like, hey, we need to have war
games match. But with the women, I'm sick and tired
of wwe try to be so equal on ship where
it's like, oh, we need to have war games for
the men and the war games for the women, just
like the blind Guts all we gotta have blood guts

(26:22):
for the men and the bloding guts for the women.
But at least this year it was the first time
for for AW. I'll say this, both war games matches.
It's not gonna be better than the blowing guts matches,
just is what it is.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Of course, not that you know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
I don't love everything that that that AW is doing.
But one thing that they they always capitalize on is
their blood gut stipulation and gimmick because that's what they
level too, is blood and guts. So I mean, is
it gonna be like, h some good storytelling there I

(27:02):
can't really see it for the women. I think it's
just gonna be bare bones and cut the men there.
There's a lot of since you have a lot of
different dynamics in there and a lot of megastars in there.
I see the men being better than the men's but
it gots from a standpoint of story, not necessarily of
a match that that you know that needs to be

(27:25):
inside of a war games cage. But yeah, who gives
a fuck about this segment overall? So what are your
thoughts about the women's war games that's being set up
right now with uh Team Riha versus Team I guess,
uh Team Naya I guess, or Team Kabuki Warriors.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, I'm not too sure, but it's fine. I mean
it's it's a star studded joint except for lash leg.
You know, these women have been women's champions some some
type of form and fashion within the banner. So yeah,
it's gonna be a star studied one. I will say
that they're not putting anybody that triple a team plugging

(28:11):
his favorites in there. He's plugging in the people that
are the stars. They're the top heels, the top heels
in the top babyfaces, so I got to give him that,
with the exception of the Last Legend who just got there
not too long ago. But I think everybody in this
match has the potential to make this thing better from
a wrestling standpoint though, And I think it gives Last
Legend a chance to show out and ball out, you know.

(28:35):
So I'm I'm kind of excited for this, but I
mean it's at a you know, at a mild pace
as far as my excitement goes. But yeah, I'm looking
forward to it. I got no problems with it, all right.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, moving on, we had an Air Condo Women's an
Aircondo Championship match, Maxine the prix and Becky Lanch. Maxi
becomes the new Intercontinental Women's Champion and with the help
of a returning A j Lee with the distraction Becky
Lynch was trying to cheat. Aj Lee comes out there,

(29:14):
Becky's attracted. Maxine does a cross body from the top
rope and gets the wind one two, three place. Exploded
super pop for Maxine because it was unexpected. I am
super fucking happy for Maxine and then she's getting this opportunity.
I remember about one year ago, one you know, or

(29:36):
eighteen months ago, I stayed to Drew because Maxine she
was having a match against someone. I can't remember who
it was exactly. It may have been someone like Riha,
I don't remember, but I was like, I see the
improvement in Maxine, Like not necessarily as far as like mechanics,

(29:59):
but she has great facials and she can emote and
she can and the crowds really gained behind her and
they're they're really giving her the opportunity that I think
that she deserves. Now, do I think that she deserves
to be champion and get this run. I don't want

(30:20):
to say that she does not deserve to be champion.
It's an experiment. I'll say that it's an experiment. I'm
happy that she's one because she clearly she's a hard worker.
I'm very happy that she's gained this opportunity the crowds
behind her, and I think that she is so over

(30:42):
because because she's not supposed to be a good wrestler,
that the fans can forgive her if she does if
she fucks up in the ring. So I think that's
one of those things about max saying where it's like
she doesn't have to be a fucking great wrestler. She
canna have a not so good match, but the fans
are still gonna like her anyway at the end of
the day. But she but she has improved though, I

(31:03):
will say that she has approved. She's the new women's
are countwn Champion. It seems to be a j lee
and Becky is going to be in the war Games
match as well. Quick thoughts about this about Maxine becoming
the new Women's Aren't count Own Champion.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I've been on the Maxine train for a while. I
felt bad for the girl. She had like a couple
of bad matches when he was still doing house shows
on a regular clip and people were dumping on her,
and she was sad about it, disappointed about it, because hey,
that's that's just the nature. That's human being in nature,
just popping out. But you know, instead of you know,

(31:44):
wallering all over that, she went and tried to work
hard and tried to be become a better performer. And
once again they'll be taking away the house shows. Stupid
because they do a disservice to a person like that
who's learning as they go. She didn't spend a lot
of time in the next year, right if any time
in the n XT. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I don't. I don't remember. I don't remember what she
did down there.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
She was with von Collie and Missus Stone. Remember they
were doing a storyline where it look like she was
gonna take von Kylie from U.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Oh my god, Yes, what was her name? It wasn't
Maxine the pre down there? Was it?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
No? It was something weird? Was it? Definitely was a Maxine.
I thought Maxine Depre was gonna be Jenny from UH.
And it just made sense if they would have did
Oh my, oh.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
My god, god man, why she had to retire?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Fuck?

Speaker 1 (32:45):
She was the perfect bitch. She was the.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Perfect her man sore and fucking and what's his name,
big man?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Oh uh uh Mason Maddens Mace, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, yeah, like that mostly together, that would have been great. Yeah,
that'd be great. But yeah, no, well it it was
this girl instead. But nah, but you know, they took
her away from that and Alpha Academy and she got
over and like I, like I've been saying for the
last couple of weeks on h on the on another
show I've been doing lately, my new show Dragon Chronicles.

(33:28):
The people want to like Maxine. They're behind her. They
want to see her succeed, So let's run with that.
Let's roll with that, because I feel like w and
Triple A sometimes he whiffs on the opportunities to do
stuff for certain people when they get hot, and then
I gotta go through in my pen I gotta go
through my plan, and then six months later, the momentum
is not there, and instead he wants to give shots

(33:49):
to dead space air like me Chen who comes out
and gets no reaction every week and it's just like
God like a right, but instead of the people who
are hot reactions and they have to wait a little bit.
And I just to understand that life. But I'm glad
they definitely capitalize a Maxine And yeah, good for her,

(34:11):
good for her.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Seriously, no one can ever take this away from where
she will be. She's in the history books forever as
a champion, so it's.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Great, great for her, and I would say this too.
Look definitely tells you how people really react to people
who have personality, who have charm and likability to them.
So wrestlers down in n XT or whoever else, remember
that the moves are half of the battle. But having

(34:43):
a personality and having a connection with the fans definitely helps,
and you're seeing it with Maxine. Not the best polished
in the ring, but definitely has a personality, a charm
and something that people can actually follow through with and
look at her now, can't take that away from it,
like justice, it can't.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Congratulations to Maxine Dupre. Moving on the next Last Time
is Now tournament match, Javon Nevis was going going through
defeats Evans and a pre damn good TV match. I mean,
I mean, you already know that these two guys are
gonna put on a a great, great match. Uh. Gunther

(35:23):
is now back to his original theme from the Indies
and from n x T you know, which is basically
symp Sympathy number nine. So so that's good for that
to come back. I thought this match was great, a
great way to display Evans going through one. You know

(35:45):
a lot of people say, you know, well, maybe Evans
shall win. I mean, you're not gonna bring gun back
and and and defeat or I'm sorry, and get defeated
by javan Nevis. Even though I would not mind it,
it just wasn't viable at this particular point in time
going through is the final boss of WWE right now,

(36:05):
point blank periods. Not Lessner is not Roman is going
because Going is the workhorse of WWE. But very good match.
These guys are gonna face start again, I assure you soon,
and Gult seems as of right now, Goudre seems to
be the fair to be faced off against Sina at
the Saturday night's main event. What'd you think about this match?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
That the match is fun? That was very very fine,
very contrasting styles obviously, with Gunter being who he is
and Javon being who he is, so it definitely definitely
made for a fun match. And uh, you know, going
to put the young man down and he advances to
the tournament. We're probably gonna get into this at some point.

(36:51):
But I don't want to gum through the winness thing.
I don't he's gun toed to me. He's already made.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Man.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
I think Sina should beaten by some may that can
actually use it.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I one million, I one million percent agree. I have
no argument with you there. I don't want Goulu to
win either, but with the current field the way that
it is, I don't see anyone.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Else which sucks, which sucks.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
And That's why I didn't mind if Javon would have won.
The only person as in right now that I can
see that has a chance to get to the finals
and some I don't want to say flukey way, but
just some way that you get to the finals, and
shock is Carmelo Canla Hayes And then to me, I.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Think he's getting a shock went on Friday.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Call me crazy, Call me crazy. I think Cody shows up,
Bronson Reid and I think, well, Paul hold On put
them out of the Oh my god ship damn skin
of accidentally present man. But yeah, I think I think

(38:17):
Carmelo Hayes will get because we hadn't had an upset
yet in this tournament, and I think that would be
I think that would be one, especially if they're serious
about pushing Mellow as a baby face, which you know
remains to be seen obviously, so that's the only upside
I can really see at this point.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, moving on to the main event segment here. Yeah,
you had a uh yeah segment here where Paul Hammett
introduced the Vision's War Game Sack team of Drew McIntyre, Logan,
Paul bron Breaker and Bronson Reid, Yeah, Sam Punk show up. Uh.

(38:55):
Then you just had pretty much the baby Faces show up,
uh of Cody Rose and the Russo's. Then Brock Leser
came in. Then you had then brock Lesuer came and
beat up the baby Faces, and then the show ended
up with Romeraines and Moraines came in, and you know,
it was basically a big brawl to end Monday Night Raw.

(39:16):
Very high ending, very good segment, uh, to end Monday
Night Raw. And this and this to me is since
the war Games concept has been brought to the main roster,
this is almost the most star studed UH War Games

(39:38):
match I would.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I was, I will.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Definitely say on the baby Faces side for sure, like
for sure, Ponking like yeah, but Brock Brock, Yeah, I
mean Brock and War Games matches is fucking biblical. Is
That's That's like he's gonna fucking murder fucking He's gonna

(40:03):
go murder fucking you know anyone in sight, you know
what I mean? So so, yeah, Rooge.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
The other night you said that that first released German Yeah,
it was, it was God.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
It was, it was, it was. It was pretty nutty Man.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
And everyone Cody took after that, he took he took it,
you know, falling, falling to the side.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, that was that was pretty nutty. I mean, oh,
he's in his fifties and it doesn't matter. Brock Brock,
Brock in his fifties, Brock in his seventies, Like, it
doesn't matter. What were your what were your closing thoughts
about Monday Night Raw from uh from Massive Square Garden.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I thought it was good. I thought it was good.
I thought that that closing segment was good. Nice brawl
in the city, like how they tried to try to
throw some type of you know, havoc into it, as
far as like having the NYPD, you know, not so
blue out there trying to break the whole thing up
and see the punkin's choking looking all behind the cops

(41:09):
back but the fucking Kendo steak. I just thought it
was fun. It was a fun way to close the
show man. It really was. So Yeah, Monday Night Raw
probably one of the better raws in a long time.
I put it to you that much.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I will say it's one of the better rolls of
the year, if you say it's the top five, top
ten raw of the year.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
But it.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
You know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't complain about that at all, you.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Know, Yeah, absolutely, And I think I think that that
ending was probably the best ending we had in a
long time, aside from you know, the Ralins turn rather
than that. Yeah, really good stuff to make you go, Damn,
I gotta wait till next week to see what's up.
But they're gonna do now what they're gonna do on
Friday perhaps, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
So yeah, for sure, I enjoyed that very good. That
was Monday Night Raw. Leaver thoughts about Monday Night Raw
wherever your whe a listening to his lever coming about
Monday at Raw and won't you get rain out of
ten to Monday Night Raw?

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, I give it an eight out of ten.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, I think I'm at an eight eight and a half.
So yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Think dude, I think they should have done more for
seeing his last RAW, like some video not gonnahow, no
video package his greatest moments in MSG, like see, that's
the kind of stuff that to me is missing, as
well as the video packages, the hype of Okay, this
is it, this is it for John Cena. I don't
I don't think that was enough of that for his

(42:38):
last RAW. I think this should have been more of that,
because I mean, he's been a staple made of the
show for the longest time, ever, since I was in
fucking fifth grade, yeah, going to fucking middle school, like
Johnsen has been on RAW. I guess what, Gouds. I'm
thirty one now.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
You know, so it's a while, it's a while ago,
it's a while. Oh.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I mean, I just thought that this should have been
a little bit more celebratory type deal there as far
as like video packages, maybe even raising a pair of
fucking gene shorts in the fucking arenas, I don't know,
do something silly like that or whatever to put over
put home the fact that you're never gonna see this
man Wreussell not only on the show again, but you're
never gonna see this man Russell and Massive Square Garden again.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, I mean yeah, And they did a little like
Seampunk was in the ring with Cody and the Russol's
after Raw, kind of giving Johnson and his flowers. So
so there was that, at least so later on the
podcast as well. If you guys are if you guys

(43:45):
skipped around in the podcast somewhere somehow we'll be talking
about the current state of pro wrestling in twenty twenty five,
so stay tuned for that. Moving on quickly on NXT,
just to give the the quick results, you had a
match of all Ego, Ethan Page and Chelsea Green. They

(44:06):
defeated UH the L and Joe Hendry. You had Blake
Manrol defeated Sol Ruka in a one on one match.
You had Dark State versus Dion Slater and Javon Evans
were dark State defeated Evans and Slater uh And then

(44:26):
in your main event, you had Tam Paxley versus j C. Jane.
Jane defeated Tatum Paxley. It was a non title match,
by the way. So yeah, NXT short and sweet. I
thought it was an overall good show for n x
T itself. But what were your you know, what were

(44:48):
your thoughts about the show. It was your biggest takeaway.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Tatum Patchley lost the belt very very quickly. I know
she was gonna I know she was gonna be champion
too long, but I didn't expect him twenty four days.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I thought it was. I thought wasn't it was? That
was not a title match? No, what was real title. Okay,
well I'm I'm I'm I must have missed that then, so.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
She got screwed. He got screwed.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Man, if that's if that's the case, then I don't
understand why she won the title. Was she won time
in the first place.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I only need to give it back to jac a.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
B that's a that's a big waste of time then yeah,
yeaheah for some I I guess, I I guess because
I did turn off n x T and I didn't.
I don't know. I I guess I guess I wasn't
fully paying attention obviously if if it was a for
the title. But but whatever, good for good for jac J.

(45:50):
I'm not mad Ridge, just like it's like, man, like,
why would you even give her the time in the
first place?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
If I'm not, I'm not a fan. I just yeah,
I get it. I mean, I get it, you know,
trying to give somebody a shot or whatever. But Ylon
Henley's right there, Yeah, that's that. That's my girl of
the team. I don't blame Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

(46:21):
Is he Damien probably ready for the NXT Women's title yet,
I just there was no other options, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, for sure, moving on here. Unfortunately I did not
get to catch a w UH tonight. I did see
a little bit of highlights from it. If you don't
have much to say about a W tonight because you
didn't see it or kissing me, we can we can

(46:50):
move on or we could do like the predictions for
the pay per view on UH, I.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Did not see a W. All I know is that
Megan Bain and Marine Your Fear advancing the women's title
tournament and Tony storinom and Arina shere Kywa did as well,
and that John Moxley got challenged to uh yeah, no
holds bar match at Full Gear by Kyle O'Riley.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah yeah, I did see that. So speaking of Full Gear,
we'll we'll quickly do predictions for for the show. So
Full Gear is in the UH Prudential Center in New York,
New Jersey. It is UH this weekend live on pay

(47:41):
perview this Saturday. First match here, speaking of Kylo rolland
John Moxley, it is Kyle Riley versus John moxy and
no holes bar match. I don't see John Moxley losing
this match. He's already tapped Kyle rally and and blind guts,

(48:01):
so he should beat Kyle Roley and the match that
actually matters in a one on one match.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
So I don't know, man, They really harping on the
fact that John Moxley really hates his achilles heel is
tapping out and you can't him, but but you can
submit him and you can make him say I quit
and this, that and the other. I think Maxley loses
this one too, And I think that they kick him

(48:28):
out of Death Riders because guess what his thing right,
He already lost, He lost the title, he quit the
Darby Allen and he submitted to Kyla Rady in the cage.
If I'm Marina Shafig and and and and Da and
Cordeo and and Pack, why am I taking orders from
this fucking quitter, you know?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
So to me? So to me is that it wasn't
It wasn't hey Man that broke up the Death Riders.
It wasn't Darby. It wasn't you know, Swerve or Ospra
or Omega. Is Kyle Riley that breaks up the Death Riders?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah? Big, well, big underlining mix. But I mean, you
know how they do over.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
There, I know, I get it. I'm just gonna be
like it took Kyl Riley, it took you to lose
it to Colorado, like you know, but.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Well, not break up the Death Riders, but to kick
him out because.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
It's okay, okay to get mocks out there. Okay, okay,
that's what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
So that's the Difently keep going.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
If that's the case, who is going to be the new.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Piece?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, no, not even that, but like, who's gonna be
like the leader I guess of the Death Riders.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
The next the next best veteran that could talk Pack.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
But that means that means has to defeat Darby Allen
in no.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, Pack is gonna have to kick Darby Allen's ass.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
He's got.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean why not you're bringing him back?
He lost the Orange Cassidy, he lost big matches already,
he lost his return match, and everybody is mad about that,
including myself personally, because it's like, oh, you just bring
this guy back his repackage, he's got a new look
and he drop mounts his first match. I didn't get that.
So no, he has to kick Darby Allen's ass.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
The Darby Allen versus Pack matches going with Pack. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think I'm not I'm not mad at that. Well, no,
I got Darby.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Actually, I well, my thing is, okay.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I say what you're saying, like if if it's gonna
be in line with with what what you're saying, you're
not wrong like it. You know, if you think that
Marx is gonna get kicked out, of course, okay, Kyle
Rowley wins and Pack wins, right, Like, I think that
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
And then plus Darby's got the bad scarred up back
from the flaming table. He should not be one hundred percent.
He should give up a valuant effort, but goes down
to Pack, and I can easily see Pack slapping on
the brutalizer to help. You know, rub in that point
that this guy has a bad back because I threw
him to a flaming table last year. You should not
be one hundred percent and he should not be beaten back.

(51:16):
If he does, then that to me, that buries Pack
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
You know, this is Tony Kahan in twenty five we're
talking about here.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
I know, bro, It's just I'm just trying to make
things make sense.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Oh yeah, no, no, I get you. It makes sense.
It makes sense, but uh, I, you know, it can't
go your way. I just believe that. I just I'm
on the side of mox Leyen and Darby winning. That's
just the side that I'm on. But it can happen
either way. Moving on though four way Tag Match Women's
Tag Match, the winning team chooses the stipulation for their

(51:55):
semi final match. In the inaugural AW Women's Old Tag
Team Championship Tournament, we have the Babies of Wrath, which
is Harley Cameron and uh will Willow Nightingale, the Sisters
of Sin of sky Blue and Julia Hert Timeless Love Bombs,
Mina Shara Kalla, and Tony Storm versus, and also Marina

(52:20):
shaff Here and Megan Bain. I'm going to go with
I'm gonna go with the Julia Hart and sky Blue.
I think they want to rewards sky Blue for her
Crimson Mask and her performance inside of a Blind Guys,
even though even though the Hill team won. But I
think they want to personally want to give her Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
And I feel that. I think I think it goes
that way too, because I think it's a I don't
know how far gone it is to you but I
think Tony and Mina definitely winning the belts. Yeah, that's
what it feels like to me. Yeah, And I think
Tony Khan can he can make money off of that.
And having Tony Storm one of your most decorated women's champions,

(53:06):
being one half of the inaugural tag team champions, are
a popular person like Mina shir Kaw, I think to me,
that just makes sense from a business standpoint. I know
Tony conye and about the business because he's got money
to burn, But I think he I think he would
see the light and do that. But yeah, I'm with

(53:26):
you on that, sisters of saying. I think Julia Hart
and sky Blue have been working hard to and sky
Blue was insane for what she did last week. But yeah,
I think she I think she gets a win here. Yeah,
reward your players absolutely.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Moving on NOS qualification match for the AWT and T Championship,
Mark Brisco versus Kyle Fletcher the champion. If Mark Brisco loses,
he will be forced to join the don Kalis family.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
As any more members.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah. Yeah, man, this it's it man, I don't I
don't even want to talk about it. I I got
Mark Brisco. This was a little this is a little
bit fifty fifty for me. But I got Mark brisco winning.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I got Briscoe winning too. I don't see him joining
don Kallis family. What would be the point? Would put
him in a suit and have him be the butler.
He could be the butler of the family.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
No idea, man, I don't I don't want to know.
I don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
But hey, Tony, give you an idea, give me man butler.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah? So, yeah, we both got more Mark, Yeah yeah,
Mark brisco for the win for both of us. If not,
then a w t V will be even more interesting.
I guess uh Casino Gauntlet match for the inaugural a
W National Champion, which is I don't even want to
get into all that right now, but you just you

(55:05):
got you got rid of of the International Championship, formed
it with with the con the Continental, and now you've
brought back the same belt that just renamed it this whatever,
it's just it is it is. It is fucking one
of the most dumbest things that that any wrestling copy

(55:28):
has ever done. I'm not kidding either. There's no participants
announced as of yet, but I got a couple of
names I think that may be in it. Uh names
like Bobby Lashley, Ricochet. There was another name that that
that I had here and uh oh, Orange Cassidy. I

(55:49):
can see Orange Castid being this as well. I don't
really have a prediction, but I think it could be
one of those names. I'm just gonna say Lashly and
and move on with my life.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I think rickhet wins it. I think his uh all,
his caping and you know, his bounced that ass moves
on Tony Kahn's dick. I think he finally gets rewarded
for all that.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
That's that too. That could be that too as well,
But we don't know exactly. The participus says, I'm sure
there's gonna be a new or this weekend whatever. So
the next match we have is a one million dollar
trios match. This is one of two cash matches on
the show, because in the pre show there's a two

(56:32):
one thousand dollars four way tax ti match for a
two hundred thousand dollars cash prize. This is the most
laziest gimmick in the history of pro wrestling, because we
know for a fact that these rustlers are not really
getting this money. They're really not know they're not and there,

(56:54):
and when they win these matches, they're not telling a
story that they how they won these matches. And alcohol, man,
my life's better than all mats. Bought a brand new
house off with the money they don't they don't even
use it. So in this match, we got Kenny Omega
in Jurassic Express versus the Young Bucks and Josh Alexander.

(57:15):
Fuck off with these teams. Now, as far as the
match is concerned, the match is gonna be good. It's
gonna be great. I think a fucking awesome match. Again,
I just don't give a fuck about the match. As
far as the gimmick is concerned, matches some should be
fucking great. I got the Heels winning. It's just me though, So.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, I got the Heels winning too, because I mean,
I guess we can all see it coming from a
mile away. Don Kass family really wants the Young Bucks,
and I think by Alexander helping them win, that's you know,
that helps tip the Young Bucks into the favor of
the don Khalas family, only for you know, the Young
Bucks to obviously turn them down and get beat down.

(58:01):
So yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's gonna happen
to We helped you get this money and you turn
you spit in my face. How dare hatcha ceroh? Het
your saro hell clone? Come get these men, Get them
beat there, you tramp stamp motherfucker beat.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
His is ballocks? Man is so ballocks? Moving on? Uh
for the a w WOR World Tax Team Championship f
t R versus Brodido. I can't even tell you what
the hell is going on with this feud because I
believe it has this few I don't think it's been
happening on on dynamite. I at least I haven't seen it.

(58:42):
I think it's been mostly a collision thing. We know
f TR. We already know how Tony conks about f TR,
and they are on fucking dynamite half the time.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Yeah, well, I tell you one thing. The only thing
I know about this thing is that brody King punched
a hole in the wall and grabbed.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I did see that that was lyricus.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I did see that stokely stokey is good for that.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
I did see that that was that was funny as fuck.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, he's too goofy to buy, but he's good for
moments like that though, for sure. But I kind of
lost on that too.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I said, I guess I'm going with the champions.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Assuming Edgie Christian are coming back for the revenge f
t R. My head is gonna need to be belted up,
so I think f TR gets the belts here.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I'm not I'm not mad there. I'm not mad at
there either.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, yeah, I just I'm trying to think a little
logically here, because you know Edie Christian is gonna wanna.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Now now, you know, it would be stupid if edgend
Christian comes back to get the revenge on f t
R and costing Attack titles. But if I'm if i'm them,
I will let them win the tax title so we
have her so we can win the tag titles from FTR.
But knowing but but knowing wrestling logic and knowing AW

(01:00:09):
just for some of stuff they've done in twenty twenty five,
I think that could be. You know, they they'll come
out and cost them the titles and so just land
them win second and last match comin Evanta. I'm assuming
Chris stat Levers Mercedes Money for the AW Women's World
Championship should be a I think it should be a

(01:00:29):
damn good women's wrestling match. Don't give a fuck about
the feud whatsoever. Mercedes is winning ll which is gonna
be like fifteen belt money. Didn't she win another belt
over the weekend or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, and she's officially the Ring of Honor Television champion
to now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Yeah, well yeah whatever. But despite the I I just
said this, I don't love I don't like this gimmick
at all. I think it fucking is fucking terrible. As
a pro wrestler, she's definitely top five as far as
in ring. She's had a damn great year as far

(01:01:06):
as in ring is concerned. The matches gimmick gimmick aside.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
I don't know her matches. Her matches are fun to
watch in time, but it's one of those things where
the predictability kills it for me. When I know this
girl has she's on a money train, no pun intended,
and she's you know, snatched these belts and this, this
and this and the belts is her type gimmick. It

(01:01:35):
kind of just each a way at the drama, you know,
and drama is a big part of wrestling for me.
It's a big part of a match. The moves are great,
but the drama, the storytelling that helps make a classic,
in my opinion, not fifty thousand moves or whatever. You know. Yeah,
but I can't help to think, in the back of
my mind, I know this girl is winning, so it
just takes away the drama for me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Man, I see, I see where you're coming from with that.
But I got mer Sa is winning.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Oh boy, oh mm hmmm. I don't want to say it,
but I think I'm gonna have to say it. I
think Mercedes beat stat Lander.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
I think she's gonna be stat I think she's gonna
be stabed. Main Events still cage Man, still cage match
for the a W World Championship. Hey Man page with
smoo Joe. Don't give a fuck about this match. Don't
give a fuck about this dude, don't give a fuck
about they Tony Khan has fumbled completely of hay Man

(01:02:32):
Adam Paige him winning the AW World Championship. You take
your hottest babyface and you turn him into just say,
another regular person. Hey Man's winning the match. There's no
reason why Samo Joe should win here. But again, you
take your biggest baby face and you make him into nobody.

(01:02:54):
You you had, you had something with them, and you're
you decide not to do anything with them. So hey,
Man's should be a good match again. Look, all these
matches should be good, you know what I mean? Like
a W doesn't really have a bad show from a
match standpoint, in rings standpoint, they have bad shows because
because it's too long. This is an eight match card

(01:03:17):
or a nine match card, wherever it is right. You know,
to me, they have long pay per views. This is
probably gonna go into closer to midnight, and and that's it.
And but Toy Khan, he he has one way that
he wants to do the pay reviews and that's the

(01:03:37):
way he wants to do it. And and and that's it,
you know what I mean. But again, Hayman's winning. Lol.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah, I mean, the selfish part of me would love
to see someone with Joe win. But I mean, at
this point in his career, why why, why should Simojo
be the world weight champion of any company right now?
Hangman Page is your guy. He's not my guy personally,
I don't I don't care for Hangman Page at all.
But he's the top guy in a W. But damn it,

(01:04:09):
Sure doesn't feel like he is at this point. So
I just think that Hangman Page he needs, he needs
to win this match, but I think he needs to
do I think he needs to be more cooler. There's
a lot of a lot of speech stuff from him
and him trying to be a human. I think we
have to move past that just a little bit and

(01:04:30):
we have to get Hangman doing cool ship, you know
what I'm saying. Like a lot of people try to
argue with me telling about he's the stone cold Steve
Austin of his fucking which.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Not not. He's not stone colde. He's more of a
who would you compare him to?

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Damn sure stone cold Steve, I will.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Say, And I'm not saying that he's the caliber of
this legend. I'm not saying he's the caliber of this legend.
This legend is obviously way up to Tom Pull more
than Hayman Page. But I see him more as a
Dusty Rhodes, a common guymon a common man that the

(01:05:19):
fans get behind. Right. He's real and what he says
and he's really what he does, uh, you know to
twelve wait to a way lesser degree than Dusty Rolls.
But I think that. I think that to me, that's
a fair comparison. Yeah, I definitely think so aw full

(01:05:40):
gear this Saturday. Will you be watching, leave a comment
down below and prediction for where you think is going
to be the best match of the show. There's really
only one news story that I want to bring up
and talk about here, and then after that we'll be

(01:06:02):
getting into the crux of this podcast here tonight, and
it's very important for us to talk about it because
we lose sight of the fact that these wrestlers are
human beings. These wrestlers, they have families, they have friends,
they have fans, and life is real at the end

(01:06:25):
of the day. We need to recognize this because I
don't want to talk about something like this when the
person is no longer with us. I think it's important
to talk about these type of things when it's in
the present and give attention to it. Otherwise we wouldn't,

(01:06:51):
you know, we wouldn't be doing our jobs as podcasters.
We would not be doing our jobs to give a
fair look at some body who is going through a
tough situation right now in light and the unknown. The
person I'm talking about right now is Rebel. If you

(01:07:13):
did not see a couple of days ago. I think
this was on Monday, No, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday morning. Those
are one of the first things I saw. Rebel had
a five and a half minute video and if you
didn't know, she was going through medical issues and you

(01:07:34):
know that's why she hasn't been around in aw medical
issues things that nature. She visibly looks different and she
actually makes out a point in her video. Rebel revealed
that she has primary pollmary polinary lupoma, which is a

(01:07:59):
rare cancer in her lungs UH. She reveals that she
has UH, that she also has functional UH neurological disorder.
We're taking her her abillity away to walk and that
She also mentioned as well that she like she kind
of has like a claw, like a claw hand right now,

(01:08:20):
that she's kind of that's that's just kind of a
having as well. If you haven't seen the video, I
encourage you to go watch it. It is on her Instagram,
That's how I saw is on her ex Watch it.
If you care about pro wrestling and and and the

(01:08:44):
people within the pro wrestling space, watch it. I don't
care if you're if you're a w W E fan.
I don't care. If you're a w fan, I don't care.
If you're a new Japan fan stardom, I don't or
Triple A, I don't care. These are people that we
that have entertained us for years, and Rebel in particular,

(01:09:11):
she was there, you know, with Britt Baker right during
her time reign, during the pandemic, and I think, I think,
if you're a wrestling fan, especially if you're in this
space as far as podcaster, take some time cover the

(01:09:32):
story and give your respect she you know, we we
we you know myself and you know and Drew Drew
will you know, especially Drew. I'll just say, give Tony
con a lot of crap on this podcast and as
far as a lot of other podcasts will give toy

(01:09:54):
kN crap. But one thing you cannot say about Tonyan
Cohn is that he is not a good person. He
he sent a rebel best wishes with a card and
a gift basket to her, and you are I know,
Tolly conn is like probably conner her every fucking day
or text her every day? Hey, how you doing? You're

(01:10:15):
checking in with her? Right? W w E wrestlers gave
their thoughts and obviously a w her her her her
family base of a w gay thoughts as well. It's
heartbreaking to watch. If if you didn't watch it or
listen to it, if you get emotional about it, then

(01:10:37):
don't watch it. Especially with for me in particular, someone
who's lost a family member to cancer, to to to
lung cancer as well. It kind of again, it kind
of you gotta you gotta kind of take it back
and and dial it back and realize that these wrestlers

(01:10:59):
are people too. Is well. I know sometimes we come
on here, and you know there's sometimes that we come
on here we say some things about these wrestlers like oh,
they fucking suck this end there, and that's why that's
why I'm kind of like when I hear that type
of something like like, man, like, these guys are people
at the end of the day. Yeah we can we

(01:11:19):
can judge or what's the word I'm looking for critique there,
you know what they do, but like let's do it
a more respectful tone because at the end of the day,
there are people and you know, they take what they
do very seriously and I don't like to, you know,
bash the dehuman eye what they do in ring when
he was saying like, you know, I fucking hate this
guy or you know whatever, and they're serious about it.

(01:11:43):
It's you know that. That's that's the way why I
take the a certain approach on this particular podcast or
any other podcasts. That's why I take an approach that
I do, because at the end of the day, something
like this can happen. Then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, well,
you know, you know, you know I wished him the

(01:12:03):
best and you know this and the other well, you
hate him, you hate him a couple of days ago
now and now you wish him the best. So but regardless, though,
I just want to say, well, best well wishes to Rebel.
I really hope that she beats this. I really hope
that she makes the full recovery.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
R J.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Your thoughts about that, I'm not too sure if you
saw on on that on what Happened with Rebel over
the weekend with her medical update.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yeah, I saw it on Sunday morning, and I was like, wow,
I know she hadn't been on TV and god knows
how long.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
It's like a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah, so I didn't realize, you know, it was this
bad and everything like that. Yeah, but hearing her struggle
to talk and struggle to hold her hand up and
even do a straighten her hand out, I was very
heartbreaking to watch. I liked Rebel like everything obviously for
like I mean, for staticspect when she was the TNA,

(01:13:04):
when she first showed up doing the whole Nagerie gimmick,
I was like, Damn, girl's got some booty. But you know,
over time she because she was let's keep it, let's
keep it a being in the buck. She was terrible
back then, but she was newer to the bids at
the time, and over the time she got better. And
you know, she was doing a lot of indies and

(01:13:26):
did some stuff with she was I forgot one. She
was in one particular spot for a while, but eventually
she got the gig to go to aw and she
did a great job being Britt Baker's second and I
had no problems with that whatsoever. It was really it
was really fun, dynamic, and she seems like a very

(01:13:48):
overall fun and cool person to be around. I haven't
met her personally, but I know a lot of people
that have different people that says she's a really fun
and nice person.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
So she was, you know's San Antonio for RCW. She
was a former RCW Women's champion, So.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
So that's that's a fun little fact there, but please continue.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Yeah no, but every everybody that I know that's never
met her since she's a fun, cool girl. So you
want to roof for people like that, you really do,
And uh, especially in this situation. This ain't no This
ain't no work, This ain't no gimmick. This is this
is really really real life. How she does? You know,
it's real, real fucking life life or death. So I'm

(01:14:30):
rooting for her to to kick out of the submission,
to fight back and get back on her feet quite
literally and figuratively, and and be able to walk and
be able to live her life h very more lengthy
than then, you know, like like she should be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
So yeah, prayers and shout out to Rebel, much love
to hire and this, that and the other people needed
an knock it off and realize that you know, it's
all fun and games. We're watching people on television, but
real life hits. It's real life, and once life is gone,
you can't get it back. This ain't no fucking video game.

(01:15:14):
This ain't no storyline. Once life is gone, you can't
get it back. So I mean this should be a
cautionary tale to the idiotic wrestling fans who go nuts
about all kinds of stupid shit sometimes and threaten people's families, this, that,
and the other over a finish or this that and
the other, like, knock it off and realize that life
is life and it's precious.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
You can stay better than myself. What wish is to Rebel.
I know that Tony Connon and the team of aw
they are going to do everything that they can to
to take care of Rebel, especially due to you know
what happened with you know, Rody so moving on. And

(01:16:04):
I think that's all I really wanted to cover from news.
We we have to cover that because I would not
have to feel right if we have not talked about that.
So all right, so let's end tonight's podcast with the
current state a professional wrestling in twenty twenty five. It's

(01:16:27):
gonna be an open form here. We may go for
I don't know, thirty minutes, forty five minutes, maybe shorter,
maybe longer, I don't know, but we'll see here. But
let's just start. Let's just start off and uh, well
we'll go from there. Our Jane, I'll ask you first,

(01:16:49):
how do you currently feel about professional wrestling in twenty
twenty five?

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Very bored with it? So boring that I I haven't
done any shows on the regular as this show or
my own show that that I do solo sometimes, or

(01:17:21):
you know, anything else, because I've been so bored with
Like WrestleMania really was a letdown. And it's one of
those things where you know, how they say NFL isn't
really exciting unless like you know, the Cowboys or the Giants,
you know, the top tier teams are doing good. Right
to me, wrestling is when w is doing bad? Is

(01:17:43):
it kind of it's just like, ugh, not not so good,
and it helps kind of sour on some things and
you tune in the AW and then they're not giving
you certain things and not using certain people, so you
kind of get this disenfranchised with that, and then you
you try to go over to TNA, and then they
just do stupid things and try to milk putting the

(01:18:06):
belt on people and instead of just going for the moment,
like they can afford, to try to milk things out
of people like you can't do that. It's to the
point where I haven't spent any money this year on
the Dilla b Aw. I never spent money on TEENA
to begin with. Anyways, anytime I ever went to the
TENA show was always free. Yah Ay your rock, Hey,

(01:18:29):
your rock. We got some free tickets to TNA. Oh word,
I bet I'm there. But it's to the point where
I haven't spent money on anybody this year, on any
of the companies this year. But tomorrow tomorrow, as of
right now, it's still eleven thirty three over here down south,
I'm going to an MLW show tomorrow. I decided that

(01:18:51):
I was gonna spend the money on m OW.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Yeah, We're like, I know you're in South Carolina, but
are they gonna like, do you have to travel a
little bit or is this coming straight to your city?

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Uh No, I gotta go to the next big city
over in Charleston. So that's that's only like an hour
drive like barn traffic. So yeah, that's it's gonna be
a TV. I do believe they are putting this on TV. Okay,
I think they probably gonna split it up into like
two shows, two maybe three shows. Probably if I guess,

(01:19:29):
but because I don't think that, I don't think they're
streaming this thing live. If they are, then that's cool.
But like, my impression is that they're gonna chop this
thing up intol like three episodes of TV. But yeah, man,
they got a lot of people on this show. Man,
the Good Brothers. They're gonna be fighting the Skyscrapers, the
team of Die Jack and and Baron Corbin. I think

(01:19:52):
I'm blinking on his new name, Bishop Diedshop, and they're
gonna be fighting those two guys for the m l
W Tag team titles. A lot of luchadors like Templario
and Ultimo Guerrero, and just a couple of other people too.
And then the women's division. Oh my god, they must
have knew, they must have knew justin that I was coming,
because guess what we got Isla don versus Scarlet. Oh

(01:20:20):
and not only that, they got Priscilla Kelly versus Shazi.
Oh my god, I'm like, yeah, hell yeah. And then
we got match Kruger versus brock Anderson. It's gonna be
interesting to see how ready brock Anderson is for a
spot like that. So I'm definitely gonna be keeping my
eye on him because remember a couple of years ago

(01:20:41):
he was pretty awful, and it's kind of crazy. He
looks like his dad already, Like he looks like he's
like a forty year old man. It's kind of crazy. Yeah,
but yeah, no, I'm going to that tomorrow. I'm like,
you know, I'm gonna spens some money on MLW because
they come into town. It looks like it's gonna be
a fun show. Mister Coo is gonna be on it
as well, so that's gonna be fun to see him

(01:21:02):
in person. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, that's how bad
the state of you know, of wrestling has been to
the point where I'm ignoring going to AW, I'm ignoring
going to WW. But m OW comes to town for
the first time and I do believe they said for
the first time since their first run as m OW,

(01:21:24):
And so I'm like, shit, I'm going I forget all that.
So that's how bad has really been from up top.
But yeah, and they continue.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, to your point, you hit
the nail of the head. Wrestling has been born in
twenty twenty five. It seems like the major companies are
very uncreative. The indies, there's really haven't really been that
next big indie star that's like, oh my god, he's
the next guy to come to, you know, a w

(01:21:56):
or w w E. A lot of the indie guys
are are our former w w E guys who are
trying to get back to w W There's no you know,
really mega upstarts that I've seen personally that it's like,
oh man, that's the next guy coming in. It's it's boring.
The shows are good, there's no sense of urgency, there's

(01:22:18):
there's there's like no reason to watch. I feel like
I can miss the show and just catch highlights and
I feel like I get everything that I need for
me personally inside my business. The the the engagement is
going down on professional wrestling, at least here in San Antonio.

(01:22:40):
I get. I get maybe a year ago, two years
ago where someone was very hardcore and come in and
they'll talk about wrestling with me. Now I I barely
see them, and when they do come in, they're like
that's okay. It's not like oh man, like did you
see Raw? Did you see SmackDown? Like oh my god
like that. So it's it's very very meth right now

(01:23:00):
in the world professional wrestling in twenty twenty five, WWE
SmackDown fucking is fucking terrible and sucks. Raw is better,
but it's nothing must see. NXT has it has a
down years, not not been very great on the side
of NXT as well, LFG fucking I don't fucking watch
that shit. I don't have time to watch that ship.

(01:23:24):
You know, Evolve, you know, it's it's harder to watch
Evolve and care about it. I got down all two
being like, I don't don't give a fuck, Okay, I don't.
I don't really care, even though there are some great
talent down there, don't get me wrong. Just it's just
is what it is on pro wrestling in between twenty five,
and that's the way it is. So that leads me

(01:23:46):
to my next talking point. We understand how we feel
about pro wrestling from twenty twenty five, what do we
think is currently missing from wrestling? Like, what do we
think it is currently missing? That can and we can
also tighties two together. Actually no, actually no, sorry, we'll
just talk about this what is currently missing from wrestling

(01:24:07):
right now?

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
What I touched on it a little bit earlier. I
take Triple H and Tony Kahan both are being lazy
and expected. Everybody on the internet who is not going
to the show. Just by the way, just because somebody
types all day on the internet doesn't mean they're at
these shows buying the tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Family people who are sorry interrupt but disappoint. I have
to make a lot of people who are on the
internet complaining about these shows. They don't spend money on wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
They don't.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
What they what they do is they steal from They steal.
So either they they go on streams, right and they
don't pay for these shows or believe it or not.
Uh VPN To me, VPN is a form of stealing
to me personally, right, It's it's a it's a way

(01:25:09):
around the system, right if you want to. I'm not
I'm not saying, you know, I'm not trying to be
older that you know. I'm not trying to be a
saint here or anything like that, you know. But if
if you find a way to watch a pay per
view for cheaper on Netflix versus buying ESPN, go for it.
I don't give a ship, dude, do what you want.
It's your life. But to me, it's a form of

(01:25:31):
stealing just because of the fact that that's not the
intendate way of of what these companies want you to
watch these shows act. So, so these people online, you know,
they they're they're they're the silent majority to me. But
I'm sorry, continue, I just want to get that point
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Yeah, and you know, and and I was getting Grady
to hit that point too. They need to stop confusing
people that are bitching on the internet for people that
are actually buying the tickets. For all the people that
are crying and upset the DPW is going on hiatus.
You're not putting the money in their pocket. All you
motherfuckers are wanting on the internet, but you're not dipping
into your pockets to pay to see these things that

(01:26:13):
you supposedly love. You know what I'm saying, Like it
it gets on my nerves. I go to the shows, Kyle,
I know you go to the shows.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Yeah, I know, I know, Kyle. Kyle is very active
in going to these shows. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Yeah, Like we're dipping into our wallets and some of
us buy the shirts, the games, this, that and the other. Right,
but a lot of these mother I'm not doing it.
I'm not paying for this I'm not paying for that.
I'm not dipping into my wallet, and shut the fuck up,
because you're part of the problem more than you realize.
And I just think that Triple H and them need

(01:26:54):
to stop booking for people on the internet and for
the people that are there at the shows. Case in point,
little Timmy and Little Johnny once again, and for those
of wom know, that's just me being sarcastic about your
children names. They don't know who the motive you want
to know how the Molti the City machine guns come

(01:27:16):
out and get no reaction because little Timmy and Little
Johnny don't know who that is. They don't know who
Chris stab and Alex Shell. We know who that they
are because we grew up on them. We watched TNA
Ring of Honor, wherever else they've been at, we followed
their criers. We know who these guys are. But little
Timmy and Little Johnny, who are five years old and
only no WWE and nothing else, they don't know who

(01:27:36):
this is. So Daddy, Daddy, who is this guy? And
the dad he probably doesn't know who the fuck they
are either, because he's like, oh, well shit, here, I'm
here to take you guys here to wrestle now, don't
know who the fuck that is either. But Triple H
has not shown us a video package at all on
the motive the City machine Guns. And they've been here
for over a year.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
I have relationships with TNA, and they have not used
any of their video packages.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
No excuse not to put one together because you just
said that, No excuse not to put a video package together.
Telling this story career the only thing Corey Gray says,
there's your favorite tag team's favorite tag team? Okay, but
tell us why, show us why. There's a lot of
talking and not showing. Like Maxine Duprix was talking about yesterday,
how she trained for long period of time to get

(01:28:22):
to this moment. Where's the training montage, where's the push ups?
Natty stepping on her feet and her doing push ups?
Where is that? I'm not seeing any of that. Show
me a video package put you know, don't don't tell me,
show me, show me what these people are doing. You
know what I'm saying. There's a lack of that. There's

(01:28:43):
a lack of introduction. They assume everybody watches NXT, not everybody.
NXT's ratings are okay, they're doing better than what they
were in USA, but people are not. It's not an
overwhelming amount of people that are watching NXT like that,
you know what I'm saying. So we have to start
doing introductory promos and video packages for these people we're

(01:29:07):
calling up. Last Legend can get it. You can get
away with Last Legends showing up or Tangaloa because they're
freaks of nature, right, they're they're not. Last Legend is
not your average woman on that roster. Besides, Naya Jack's.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Legend is not like most girls apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Yeah, yeah, she's not like most girls, like literally like
she's she's a tall, statuus woman, so you can debut
her out of the blue because she's an anomaly compared
to the rest of the women on the roster, except
for you know, Rea Ripley's Charlotte Naya Jack. She towers
over everybody. She's a big lady, so you could get
away with having her show up out of nowhere. Same
thing with Tonga. What the fuck is his name? Tangaloa

(01:29:47):
or not Tangaloa, Tala Tonga. He's a freaking he's a
freaking nature. Yeah, Hiccoleo. You can get away with showing
it bringing him out out of nowhere, because he's a
freaking nature. He's with six eleven or seven foot or whatever,
and there's not too many people on the roster that
looks like that anymore, you know. So he's gonna get
that whole ship just off his look alone, and you

(01:30:10):
can get away with that. But for every axiom, Nathan Frasier,
the machine, the motor, machine guns, and everybody else getting
called up, you have to have some video packages for
these motherfuckers, like they did last night with Javon Evans.
That was perfect. Yeah, I wish he would have showed
that the first time he showed up on TV. But
better late than ever, I guess. Then, you know, we got.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
That for me was missing currently and wrestling is w
W E and a W being complacent there being lazy
right now. And one of the things that they need
to fix is core storylines. A lot of a lot

(01:30:51):
of what's going on right now, there's no story, no
engaging stories. Ww kin kind of has a little bit
right now going to war game, especially on the men's side.
You got you got some stuff going on there, you
got some stuff with the women, but overall there's nothing engaging.
If you look at WWE screw Screw Screw two years ago.

(01:31:13):
If you look at NXT in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
there were storylines from top to bottom, as high as
the NXC you know, you know championship all the way
down to Austin Aris going up against you know, some
some random bloken but there's a there was a story

(01:31:34):
going into it. The stories is what matters in pro wrestling.
On the side of what AW does. Fantastic Pro Wrestling
Matches can't take that away from them. Arguably they have
the best pro in ring pro wrestling in the business
as of right now, but they do not have any

(01:31:56):
engaging stories for us to care about. At the end
of the day, they expect us to watch all their
product and put the stories together, and even with that,
it's still not engaging enough. They expect us to to
to like what they put on TV. As far as

(01:32:19):
on stories side aspect, they say, yes, we do have stories,
maybe according to you, but not according to the casual
wrestling family. Is what you should be getting right now,
they don't have the stories as engaging ww we forget
about it. New Japan. I don't even know what the

(01:32:41):
fuck they're doing over there over there as of right now.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Like it's uh that we've been covering that a lot
on the Dragon Chronicles lately, because that the person I
do it with, Jackson, he watches a lot of New
Japan and stuff like that. Yeah, so you've kind of
been breaking it down a little bit, kind of following
what's been going on because both of us are to
catch the fans and we're trying to follow his uh
his title run. They're trying to make new stars, like

(01:33:05):
they're trying to make this guy Aaron Wolf a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Yeah, I'm aware. I'm aware of him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
But but even even with like New Japan like five
years ago or even six years ago, right, if you're
not watching it fully, you're aware of what's going on,
Like you're you're somewhat aware of what's going on over there,
and like, oh man, oh you know kata Okada and Omega,
you know they're starting their feud or you know, wherever
the case may be. Right, it's you know, this is nothing.

(01:33:33):
It's nothing. So that that's why Phil is missing from
par Wrestling in twenty twenty five is the the stories
and the lack of engagement in stories and the like.
Engaging stories brings me to the next topic here, and well,

(01:33:54):
we'll talk about both major companies here, but but we'll
first start off with w W E r J. What
what can fix WWE? Like, what's the one or two
or three things that you think can fix WWE going
into twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Just more excitement up and down the shows. I think
there's too much wrestling and not enough pizazz.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Too much wrestling on WWE.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Okay, okay, too much. It's like it's too much back
to back. I think we need to put a shine
on character development. I think that is missing big time
because if you're not dominate Mysterial or the bloodline, it
seems like or the Judgment Day, you're not getting any
character development. It doesn't feel like to me like they're

(01:34:43):
the ones that are getting the video packages and this,
that and the other, and I feel like we need
to start building up new stars.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
I'll just say I'll just say just the Judgment Day
in particular was not judgment just Dominasteria in particular, I
don't really see character development from Finn and JD. Yeah,
Finn and JD, or or Roxy and Raquel. Raquel, her
her character is not developing. Her in ring work is developing.

(01:35:15):
Though that's two completely different things, like I don't want
to get people. Oh, Raquel's gotten better? Yeah, from an
inner ring standpoint, But is Raquel's character character developed?

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Has it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
So I think we need we need some more. We
need some more character development there. It's not enough to
put people out there in the ring and letting them wrestle.
You need some stuff to make us want to root them,
root for them even more, or to uh, you know,
why don't see them get their ashes kicked? And I
don't feel like there's enough of that, you know, I

(01:35:51):
feel like there's not enough of ruthless angles going on.
There's not a lot of attack angles going on. When
was the last time somebody put a beat brutal beatdown
on somebody that was so terrifying and so dramatic that
had consequences with it in the show? Not not the
right right Roman reigns off so you can bring him
back for his one million to return the next month.
I mean something that actually has some dire consequences to

(01:36:15):
or a current storyline, like let's say, for example, Finn
Baland and j d McDonald fucking just wraps a chair
around dominate mysterios neck and stomps on it right and
doms off TV for it for the next month or whatever.
He comes back and gets his fucking revenge, Like when
was the last time that something like that happened? Besides
once again writing Roman reigns off for his his sixtieth

(01:36:38):
break for him to come back for a million times,
like you know what I'm saying, like something that had
dire consequences.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
It's been a while. It's been a while. It's been
a while.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
And also also we need more diverse storylines. And what
I mean by that is I'm tired of everybody being
everybody's friend WWE, only for us to know in the
back of our minds that this is not gonna last
too long. I can't stand that shit. I hate it.
Every storyline in WWE is working up to be a
portrayal angle.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Yeah, no, I don't. I don't blame you on that whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
For me.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
For me in particular, I'll say this WWE, it's a
couple of things. This is number one WWE two years ago,
especially in NXT in twenty seventeen nineteen. The great thing

(01:37:44):
about that show is show flow. The flow of the
show and also the world building of the shows back
then and even a couple of years ago was way
more dynamic than this. Today today it feels like cookie

(01:38:09):
cutter segment to cookie cutter segment to cookie cutter segment.
It doesn't really feel that things are flowing. Not to
say that it hasn't. It hasn't had its moments this year.
It has has its moments this year, but it just
feels like we're gonna do the bare minimum on raw

(01:38:32):
and SmackDown. Then when it comes to the pay per
views or pl e's, we're gonna give you five matches
and we may throw in a big moment for you
and people are gonna eat it up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
And in the May, in the May is really really strong.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
Right right right, So to me, they need to do
a little bit more world building. How you do that?
You you you intergrate and and have people's have some
of the wrestlers interact with some of the wrestlers that
they don't normally interact with. Have rear Ripley interact with

(01:39:09):
someone like a Roman Reigns. Why it because it's world building,
you got to actually have some of these situations where
things care. You know why the add to Her and
the ruthless aggression era was so damn good, not only
because of the world building, because you had a lot

(01:39:32):
of back stage segments where if it's in the locker
room in an office where you have instead of I
hate the promos in the rings for fifteen minutes, twenty
minutes and everything comes to anything happens, you need to
have some of those same segments backstage or away or
away from the arena. When's the last time we had

(01:39:55):
a huge segment away from the arena? Can we? That's
the only one I can think of is Dominic Gaine arrested,
Uh you know, uh, you know on Thanksgiving whatever. It
was a couple of years ago, and that wasn't even
on the show, That was on social media, So so

(01:40:17):
that that that to me doesn't even fucking count either.
So like if you look back, like during places like
the Attitude and Disgression, even the PGR right, some of
the biggest moments from those eras have happened in that
backstage capacity and WWE they can definitely do it. They
have the crew for it, right, and they can do it,

(01:40:39):
and the fans will eat it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
I don't think the fans won't care if it's not
in the arena or not. They just want to see
moments like like you have the like for example, Stone
colde in the Rock where where where the rock punched
Stone Cold into the river and threw his title and
stone Could throwing his into the relatifably different segments Stone

(01:41:03):
Cod and Booker t at the church and at the supermarket.
You have, you have you know, Edge and Christian backstage.
You know during the Attitude are yeah, Triple h attacking
Randioron at his home going into WrestleMania twenty five. You
have these moments that we remember from back then. They're

(01:41:30):
not creating moments now in twenty twenty five, they're not
the moments there are creating. Although big and huge and
sometimes big pomps, those are great for poes. But I'm
talking about all those segments that I named. Guess what

(01:41:53):
that was raw? That was SmackDown.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
You don't you don't get you You can still have
your big Sam's on the pos and still have your
segments in between. Now, you don't gotta do it every
single week, but if you do it a couple of
times a month, imagine, imagine something to where where it's like,
you know, I'm letting, let me, let me, let me,
let me think of something of actually something good. You imagine.

(01:42:18):
Imagine w W is in Atlanta, right, they're in Atlanta.
Drew McIntyre goes to Corey rose house and and you
see you see, uh he invades his house and Brandy
and Libby's there, and Cody has to go all the
way home to you know, to go confront Drew. Then
Drew ends up attacking him and you know, ends a

(01:42:39):
bloody blooding Cody Rose. That's that's that's great television. I
take that back. I just remember the last time, the
last thing that I remember. That's a backstage segment away
from the ring, not necessarily outside, not outside of the
ear is outside of the areadom not I don't I

(01:43:00):
don't want to be too technical here, rock the Rock
at Cody's bus.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Outside of that, I can't think of anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
And Bronson read uh killing Bronton uh brown stroman outside.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
Yeah, that's that. That that that that too, that that too,
that counts as well. We need more of those.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
We just do we do?

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
And and I think and I think that's a starting
point when you when you create, and again it's world creating.
When you create the world around, it drives talking points,
it drives memory, it gives memories, and it just it
just does everything for me. So I think that's I
think that's how we can possibly fix uh W.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
One thing I do. One thing I do like what
Triple H does with the world building. But it's it's
a tease and if you miss it, you miss it.
Is sometimes some people will be having backstage segments, maybe
somebody be lurking in the shadows or something like that,
kind of foreshadow in the feud. I do like when
he does that. I will say that, like Uncle Howdy
was watching Who's uncle? How are you watching? He was

(01:44:01):
watching I think he was watching Solo so cod last week.
Eventually we're gonna get that Whites versus n f T match. Yeah,
but yeah, it's it's coming. It's coming, Yeah for sure,
for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
Uh So, same question goes to a W. What can
fix a W. It's a little bit tough, I think,
or maybe not maybe to me. To me, I don't like,
I know a lot of people give ships about a W,
but they do got some good things in place.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
But there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
There are some things that they can fix that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
I love that. I love that they don't help handcuffed
the wrestlers. I do love that. But I wish they
would take it easy when it comes to the blood
and only use blood when necessary. True, you know, that
would be one thing I would I would change about
a w more introductory video packages just for people who

(01:45:02):
do watch AW but don't know anything about you know,
CML or this. I know about CMLO, but I'm just
saying generally, let's let's make some more video packages and this,
that and the other. I think people like Tony and
Mercedes kind of do it right with the we're trying
to have skits and promos and stuff like that. I

(01:45:24):
don't know if I can necessarily hear Mercedes talk for
a long period of time, but yeah, I appreciate the initiative.
I will say that I think more rest of us
need to, you know, follow suit and perhaps work on
their talking game too, just to give just to break
up the monotony and the guttny there. So I think
AW definitely needs to, like at least pull back from

(01:45:46):
the blood just a little bit. Not people don't need
to bleed unless It's like blood and Guts is very
appropriate for it. I see people tripping about it. I
wasn't tripping about it. The name or the matches literally
blood and guts, So.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Come on, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
Yeah, but I just more more story beats. With everybody
up and down the roster, you can't say nothing doesn't
happen on the shows. There are moments that do happen
on the show, but more continuous story beats. I thought
the thing that made Hangman Page and Swerves so good
for me is that the story beats that they took
that that feud on and it was it was really

(01:46:29):
good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
And uh, ties back to w W real quick. What
what made Hangman and and Swerve story like from their matches? Like?
What makes it memorable that the bills going into their matches?

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Just the the personal the real personal vedentity had against
each other.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
But but what made it personal? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
You know, you know Swerve breaking in his house, you know,
doing doing stuff away from the ring. Doing stuff away
is yeah, like a blood make a fucking blood feud man.
That's why people people like drew him punk. I mean,
they could have taken that a whole lot more further
than they did, but but it felt like it felt

(01:47:20):
like those guys wanted to kill each other and hangman
and the Swerve was a version of that, but a
higher at a higher clip, because you know, they they
took it that far. One man invaded another man's house
and the other man taking burns the other guy's house down,
you know, yep. So I mean they took it to

(01:47:41):
the necessary steps that they needed to in order to
make their future something because it wasn't for a title.
There was none of that shit on the line. There
was just two guys trying to prove that they're the best.
But it took a dark turn in trying to prove
that they're the best.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
Yeah, for me with aw what can fix them is
simple storytelling stories that matter on Dynamite, no one's watching Collision.
If I'm Tony Kah, I will not have my major

(01:48:20):
stars on Collision because no one's fucking watching it. If
you want to throw like a like a like a
championship match on their oh Kyle Fletcher versus you know
someone someone from you know, like a lower tier lord
miccard wrestler. Sure, right, but until and do a promo,
you know, going back for for for a major story

(01:48:42):
that's fine, right, but don't do major storyline elements on
your secondary show that no one's watching. That. That's that
sumber one. Number two, Keep Ring of Honor, keep CMLLL,
keep all of these you know whatever in New Japan.

(01:49:03):
Keep all these belts and their stories away from your
your major show of dynamite. That's number one.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
I agree with that too, same same thing on the
W side as well.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree, that's number one. Number two.
I agree with you about AW not handcuffing the wrestlers. Also,
at the same time, you need to let your wrestlers know, hey,
this is TV. Calm down a little bit because you

(01:49:40):
want to know what like throughout the throughout the six
years of a w you want to know what aw's
biggest kryptonite is injuries. Injuries because of what they do
in the ring every single week wats. But as a

(01:50:03):
fucking broken neck, you't have to get surgery. He's not
gonna be back until mid twenty twenty six or maybe
a little bit before.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
That, and that's it. And that's even pushing it, to
be honest. Yeah, I think a broken neck he should
be out for a year. That's just me personally, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Style.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
It just her report today that he may be back
by June, possibly.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Especially with his style and how he does. And it's
Dave Meltzer, Dave Meltzer Man, Dave Meltzer is these five
stars and all this other and that gets these guys'
heads and they go balls to the goddamn wall and
to prove that, awe, I'm David's favorite wrestler. Like, they
be going hard for this, dude. You heard what Breaky said. Oh,

(01:50:44):
Dave's gonna have to really give that one five stars.
Her bleed blood just dripping down her fucking face. That's all.
That's all of them back there. I'm pretty sure all
the thinking the same thing. Dave's got to give that
five stars, right yeah, because of what I did tonight.
So it's just that's all that. All that stuff is
coming up to catch him. And Osprey's got to be
very very careful because a broken neck, I mean, my god,

(01:51:07):
like that's that's painful a lifetime too, especially if the
surgery is botched or he continues to do what he's
been doing. We're going as hard my friends said, he's
gonna end up in a wheelchair. One day and this
was a long time ago when he was taking those
horrific bumps on the apron in New Japan and this,
that and the other. Yeah, my friend said he's gonna

(01:51:29):
end up in a wheelchair like dynamite kid.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
I'm like, wow, do you think do you think that
Tony Khan needs to step down from from booking?

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
I think Tony Khan needs. I think Tony Khan he
needs he needs a pat Patterson or he needs he
needs he needs a right hand man or something like
that that's gonna challenge him, right because I feel like
that's the part of the problem. Everybody says Tony's nice,
but nobody's see to really challenge him, and this, that
and the other. I think we need he needs somebody

(01:52:04):
to challenge him a little bit. I don't I don't
want to say he needs to step down completely, but
he needs some other people around him that has the
knowledge you know he's got.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
I agree with that. I don't think he should step
down personally because there has been good ideas that he
has done. He just needs to, to your point, have
a right hand man that he can filter these ideas
through that won't bullshit him and won't be a yes
guy and be like, Hey, I don't know, maybe we

(01:52:38):
should probably try this way for this particular storyline or whatever.
That that's that's what I think.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Yeah, same, I just think that we we need different
people to help push this thing along. Because he's got
a good he's got a good business in the sense
where he does hype his matches, he does hype his shows, this, that,
and the other, and he puts on the matches that
the people want to see and that he wants to see.

(01:53:07):
But I think he needs somebody to write the story
beach for him or something like that. You know. Yeah,
they paid all this money for that Jenner Jennifer peppermin
woman or whatever to do with cities and stuff. I
think why not have her? Why not expand that role
to other people on the roster. You know, a lot
of things can feel a little bit more organized, like
the don Kal's family. That whole thing just doesn't seem

(01:53:28):
organized to me. A lot of people praise it online.
Oh that's a group full of killers. But those guys
are losers, man, those guys are losers, except for Fletcher
into Keshita in Okata.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
Yes, yes, it's a It's a Jober group for the
most part, except for except for another thing that that
Tony Kahan needs to get better at is for sure,
don't be afraid to push a certain wrestler and keep

(01:54:04):
with a push. He it seems like he kind of
pushes someone and he forgets about him. The follow his
follow up game is the weakest I've ever seen any
book in the history professional wrestling. He will have a
good payoff for a storyline, right, but but but the
follow up is is fucking horrific, horror horrific.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Warlow.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
I mean, we could go through a whole bunch of
names here, we don't we don't have the time here,
but we we really don't have the time here. But yeah, yeah,
but yeah, that's that's, you know, our thoughts on what
can what we think can fix a you w We've
got a few more topics here and uh uh two
before we ended end up here. But this this should

(01:54:55):
be a quick one. Who you think is the most
importan weren't wrestler of twenty twenty five at this point?

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
You mean from either company or both?

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
Just no, just if you if you have to pick
one wrestler like in the world, who you think is
the most important wrestler in twenty twenty five. That it
doesn't necessarily have they're the best, but just just the
importance to wrestling, and without them, twenty twenty five will
be like like the drizzling even more of the drizzling shits.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Well, I think when you put it, when you lay
down the criteria like that, I think you have to
go with John Cena because I mean, to me, handicapped
and crushed themselves because it's John Cena's retirement, and without
that aspect of it, a lot of shit would have
been boring this year, especially for them. Uh Sina's the

(01:55:56):
stuff Sena has been doing. He's been the constant great
thing about some of these w shows the last few months.
The Hill Turn started off nice and then you know,
there was no real strong follow up to it. It
was just a lot of blah blah blah blah. But
then when he turned you know face again before SummerSlam.

(01:56:17):
Ever since then, we've been just nailing it out of
the park as far as that is concerned. So to me,
he's probably one of the more important ones. And AW
Like on the AW side, a lot of the guys
are down the top guys are down. That's why, you know,
the main events scene kind of looks.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
If Osprey was still around. I'll probably go with Osprey.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
But yeah, he's a life blood and Swerve or is
my friends called him mister putting in reverse. They you
know a lot of these guys are really really the
life blood of the company, but they're out of the
commission right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Uh, for me, I was gonna say John Santo as well,
But if I have to pick a second person, I'm
gonna I'm gonna this this may be very generic, but
I'm gonna go with EO Sky. I think that she
has been very mega important, not only to the women's

(01:57:18):
division w W, but just to w W in general.
She has been the foundation of the company to me personally,
and she's also been you know, or at least at
least she released had one match. She had one match
in Japan as well, you know, for another company of Marigo,
which you know, you know that she that she had

(01:57:41):
a great match over there too as well. So so yeah,
I'm gonna go with THEO. Moving on, Uh, this should
be I think it should be very quick here for
this next topic, is there too much pro wrestling in
the market currently in twenty two I'll answer real quick, yes,

(01:58:03):
way too much pro wrestling. And I think that's another
reason why pro wrestling in twenty twenty five hasn't been great,
because there's so much to watch and so much to
keep up with it. It just becomes you become overloaded
with it and it's too full.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
Yeah, and plus apt for a while, who are the wrestlers? Like,
who are your top guys, especially for if you're talking
about for the indie sake, you guys gotta share talent.
AW has their own exclusive talent. TNA for the most part,
has exclusive talent. You know, they have the partnership with
the w So I mean there's a lot of different
different factors and everything like that that go on to

(01:58:45):
really how really show how there's too much, you know,
but there's too much with a little out there. That's
why another another reason why I think a lot of
these indie shows don't sell out all that well too,
Like who are you gonna get for some of these shows,
especially if you're you're going to some some Hickville town

(01:59:07):
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
It's not just that too, but it's it's it's the wrestlers.
While what they're they're asking as well what they're asking
for as far as oh yeah, games.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Yeah, of course that too. And you're believing these promoters
dry they're not the w W, not ae W. Like
you gotta you gotta kind of you gotta hustle, You
gotta hustle. Like, See, if I was a wrestler, here's
what I would do. My booking prices would be, Like
it'd be five hundred dollars because here's the thing, right,

(01:59:40):
if my merchandise is good enough, if my repetition is
good enough, I can go in there and have a
great match five hundred dollars and do my own little
personal meet and greet in the parking lot. Take pictures. Yeah,
targe with maybe ten fifteen dollars for a picture, for
a couple of pitches. Sell merchandise maybe underneath the table,

(02:00:05):
a little bit more cheap or whatever, maybe twenty bucks
a T shirt. I can make some extra money on
the side. You have to hustle. You can walk away
with stuff if you make it more affordable for your consumer,
for the people you're trying to reach out to. And
I think more of that definitely helps, you know, But

(02:00:30):
that's just me. That's just me. I just think that
a lot of people just go away over their heads
because they want to make a quick buck now instead
of working for it, and you know, you have to
really work for it in order to get it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
Yeah, no, I agree. Thousand. All right, so we've got
three more here. So what has been the most disappointed
thing about pro wrestling twenty twenty five? If you have

(02:01:07):
to pick one thing that's the most disappoint thing in
wrestling twenty twenty five, what do you think it will be?
I already know what my answer.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Is, Well, damn it. WrestleMania in general did not feel
like WrestleMania this year. I think they handled that.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
You didn't go with that route, but okay, I agree
with that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:29):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't feel like Mania this year. Another
thing that disappointed was seen his retirement. The scene of
retirement should have been way more fun the whole, I think,
the whole. You know, sporadic dates just killed the flow
of it too. But I just wish they would have
handle Johnson his retirement to a whole lot more better

(02:01:50):
than they did. Of course, it's getting good now that
he's on his way out, but like it should have been.
It should have been like this from the get go,
you know, right, just nothing but fun and celebrating John
Cena his rivalries. Like I like the fact that he
faced a lot of his rivals on the way out.
But Sina barey gave any shine to anybody that's new,
which I hate because that's how he got his opportunity.

(02:02:12):
Ruthless aggression. I just wish there should have been more so,
if I can say, the two biggest disappointments was how
they handle Seena's retirement and how they handled WrestleMania this year.

Speaker 1 (02:02:26):
For me, I'm gonna go a little bit further, not
necessarily seeing a retirement, how they handle that, which way
I do agree with you on. But the He'll Turn, Yeah,
He'll turn was a fantastic moment. We're never ever gonna
forget that. One of the best moments in WWE history.
The moment itself, the moment itself like so Co turning

(02:02:50):
heel too as well, fantastic moment. We will always forget it.
But what happened to both both of them were ended
up like what farts? You know, way more at least
at least with stone Crow. Yeah, like funny shit with
Kurt Angle and like, you know, there was a story
behind it with the Alliance, even though you know, we
didn't really love that story, but you know, at least

(02:03:12):
there was a vision there this I they just did
the moment. I kind of I partly blamed the Rock
for it as well, because I still believe they should.
I think it was gonna be involved in it in
some fashion and it just didn't work out for one
reason or another. I think I think the Rock is
trying to sabotage trouble h But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
I don't know, but there's something definitely going on there.

Speaker 1 (02:03:35):
That yeah, yeah, but but to me a thousand percent
Johnson is he'll turn. I think that's the most disappointing
thing about wrestling in twenty twenty five, and the execution
of it. So moving on second to last thing here
that was the most disappointing thing about wrestling in twenty

(02:03:55):
twenty five. What do you think the best thing about
wrestling in twenty twenty five? I I when when I
when I when I when I type this down, I
I immediately have one thing in my mind, mhm.

Speaker 2 (02:04:14):
The best thing about professional wrestler.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
If you pick one thing in general, the best thing
about professional wrestling twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (02:04:22):
Fuck, I haven't overly praised anything this year. So it's
just like I'm trying to think honestly for me personally,
and this is just my personal taste talking the ascension
of both bron Breaker and Dominic Mysterial for me personally.

Speaker 1 (02:04:41):
Okay, that's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (02:04:46):
And also if I had to pick on you know,
a W side to catch it and fletch you too,
because I'm a fan of those two guys. You know,
a lot of people say that I really hate on
a WO. I don't. I'm very frae of a W.
I just don't. I don't kiss asks on gorgle balls.
That's that's I don't. I don't. I don't do that,

(02:05:10):
like I'm not going to do that. But I do
praise how Tony Kan has handled both men, and uh,
I'm very happy for their success.

Speaker 1 (02:05:18):
So for me, it's one thing and one thing only.
Although you're you're the two that you have, there is
very you know, you know, I I You're not wrong.
I'll say that you're You're definitely not wrong with your
with your pick there. But to me, the best thing

(02:05:39):
about wrestling twenty twenty five is women's wrestling in general.
I think the women, especially on in w w E.
I think the women, the women hit this is Carrie
w w E to me in twenty twenty five, they
have the best match the year. Yeah, they have the
best matches, the best pipper view on the a W side.

(02:06:00):
You you had know fucking fantastic uh match between Mariah
May at the time and Tony Storm. Then you have
the then months and months and months later last week
you have the blank guest match with the women in
there as well. Then you have all these great women's
matches in between. You have a great moment with with

(02:06:22):
a Chris Statlander winning the Women's World Championship as well.
Despite what you think about Mercedes and the gimmick, and
we talked about that earlier, I'm not a fan of
the titles gimmick, the focus on her and and her

(02:06:45):
they're making something out of it. Whoever beats her for
the for you know, all the titles or for or
for you know, apparently maybe the aid of Women's Championship.
It is gonna be like the next one. I'm hoping.
I'm hoping that's what they're doing. I'm hoping but that
will probably be a twenty twenty six thing. Ww cite
EO to me right now is the best wrestler on

(02:07:08):
the planet men, men or women. You know, just just
everything that they've been doing, you know, the Kabooki Warriors,
you know, with with you know, with them reforming in
their story and and just all the quality matches. To me,
the best time my wrestling twenty twenty five is women's wrestling,

(02:07:33):
all right.

Speaker 2 (02:07:33):
Well, I definitely agree with that, though, I definitely see
your point on that, because they have definitely carried it.
I mean, look, we'll go to girls. They producing the NXT.
I see more NXT women than I see NXT men production.

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
Oh yeah, for sure, not even not even the account
NXT NXC has the best women's division and in wrestling
right now. Or I won't say deepest, but the deepest
I will say the deepest.

Speaker 2 (02:07:57):
I would say the more diverse. Definitely diverse, Oh yeah,
for sure, deep for sure. There's some there's somebody for
every thes.

Speaker 1 (02:08:08):
Two absolutely a thousand percent. In the last subject here,
uh for the stare prow wrestling in twenty twenty five,
We're not gonna be talking about twenty twenty five, we'll
be talking about twenty twenty six. R J. Will twenty
twenty six be a better year than twenty twenty five?
Maybe I'll say this, and I forgot to say this earlier.

(02:08:35):
I'll say that twenty twenty five is the worst year
of the decade so far. I think twenty I think
twenty twenty is better than twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
Twenty twenty. I mean, you know, they were handcuffed a lot.
And my thing is is that AWDNA gotta give them
the credit. They tried well.

Speaker 1 (02:08:56):
What they had and I a W was was despite
no fans, they were fucking on fire in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (02:09:06):
It was a lot of it was they they they
make the first stam Stampede match, like come on man,
like they were they were doing some innovative shit. W
was doing some innovationship with the UH with the CM
MAC matches as well. But I put twenty twenty over
twenty twenty five because of because of aw in twenty twenty.

(02:09:28):
That's the long reason right there. But do you think
that UH twenty twenty six would be better than twenty
twenty five?

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
I think, Look, you can only go up from here, right, Yeah,
you can only go up from here. So I think
twenty twenty six has it definitely has a big shot
at becoming better than, you know, being way better than
twenty twenty five. I just think that, especially for they

(02:10:03):
ain't got Johnson as a crutch next year, so we're
gonna have to really ramp up the progression on some
of these guys. These younger guys are gonna have to
take They're gonna have to take over big time. I
agree with Brian Alvers's assessment, by the way, on one
of these young guys is gonna finally be ready. This

(02:10:23):
whole thing of oh they're not ready, They're not ready. No,
these some of these guys need to go on and
get the fuck out the way. That's what it is.
Seth Rollins Roman Reign. That's When'm glad Rollins is hurt.
I'm sorry to say it. I know it's more it's
just the same, I know, I know what you mean.

Speaker 1 (02:10:38):
Why you're why you're glad that he's hurt.

Speaker 2 (02:10:40):
Yeah, yeah, he's out of the way so we can
finally get some guy. Guess but now, I mean they
had to see him punk to fall back on. But
we need more guys that are gonna step up and
be the future of this guy damn company, because guess
what all the guys Triple Ah is pushing right now.

(02:11:01):
And by the way, there's another problem. Got's getting older
and older and older. They're getting older justin the average
man that's on top of w is forty needs to go.
And that's what Vince's trying to do. But everybody's crying, Oh,
he cut the code of Kai and he cut this
one and he cut that one. It's like, yeah, because
they're forty, he can't use them for the foreseeable future.

(02:11:25):
You know what I'm saying. He's trying to prep for
the future, and Triple Ah wasn't giving them anybody that.
He's giving them guys that were kind of ready now
or this, that and the other that he wasn't really
impressed with, so be gone. So my thing is is
that we need to get younger, and that's one thing
needs to focus on next year because Roman is not

(02:11:46):
going to be around forever. Hell, he's not even around now.
Brock Lesle's not gonna be around forever. He's barely around now.
Seena's gone, Punk He's doing it till he can't no more. Like,
come on, we gotta start pushing new young guys. And
I'm not just talking about just Broad and Breaker. We
need more than just bron Breaker. You got more than

(02:12:08):
bron Breaker on that roster. Let's see it. Let's see it,
and let's put them in the perfect positions for them
to shine allah, letting them talk more, doing more vignettes
with them. What makes them tick? Why are they doing this?
What's their purpose for being here? Why do they want
to be the champion? Why they want to be on

(02:12:29):
top of the biz. Give me a purpose as to
why I should root for these guys other than my
own personal investment in them already. Give me something to
seek my teeth into. And if we can do that,
they will be back on track next year. That's the
three things I want to see them do. Develop talent,
tell more stories, give us good, let us get to

(02:12:52):
know these wrestlers a little bit more better, and just
push the future. That's what I need. That's what I
need for them next year. They think if they can
give me that, that'd be a great bounce back year
for me personally. And aw just cut down on the
blood and use it for big, big moments. Let's give
some of the other girls more of an opportunity to

(02:13:13):
wear belts as well, because I mean, they're all up
on Mercedes, and I'm talking about from ring Evanna to
AW as well, Like, let's get this belt off Athena. Finally,
let's get the belt off of Mercedes. And you know
I'm not, I'm not. I'm against pulling the belt off
of Statlander this quickly because she's been a day one

(02:13:34):
and I think they need to do more with Statlander,
but I need them to do more with some of
these other girls as well. I think sky Blue needs
to be rewarded. I think, like a few other people
need to be rewarded for their hard works.

Speaker 1 (02:13:49):
So yeah, for me, I believe that twenty twenty six
will be better than twenty twenty five. All your points
taken as well, I'll just keep it simple. WW and
AW just need to get back to basics. To stop
worrying about you know, so, stop worrying about counter programming,

(02:14:15):
stop worrying about what this person said, what that person said.
Just get back to basics. Right, do what works for
you and your company, right, do right by your fans.
Start there, and and you know and start the building
blocks right. WW needs to start, you know, going back
to simple storylines, world building, as we talked about earlier.

(02:14:38):
AW needs to find a handful of wrestlers that that
they could continue to build up and and push them.
Don't don't push them for one pay per view, they win,
and they're they're forgotten about, right Like you, you need

(02:14:59):
to develop a consistent consistency. I'll say this this, this
is maybe early prediction. I predict that both companies in
twenty twenty six is going to experience major major changes. Yeah,

(02:15:26):
in some way or fashion. It could be positive, it
could be negative. But I expect something major to happen
between both companies in twenty twenty six. It's the book
is writing itself right now, and you know, we'll see
what happens. But that was a great conversation. I'm glad

(02:15:48):
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Speaker 2 (02:16:25):
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We have that over there, and also I have a
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(02:16:48):
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Saturdays is free. You and I are around the same
time stamp, so we can go ahead and knock out

(02:17:55):
a show on Saturday and call it a good day,
you know. So that's what about you again?

Speaker 1 (02:18:03):
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(02:19:11):
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all types. Will never bill yet even even even get
yourself a title bill as well.

Speaker 2 (02:19:23):
Let me stop you, Let me stop you real quick.
Do you happen selling all the stuff online? Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:19:30):
I have as it's kind of weird, I well whatnot.
But I don't keep up to date with it just
because it's it's a long, complicated situation because if I
sell something to start, I forget sometimes going the one
not to take it off, and it's it's a it's
a whole dynamic. So I'm trying to figure out way
how to I can sell online and ship. But it's
it's it's it's a shady situation right now. For that

(02:19:52):
I need a second person in my shop, but I
can't afford that right now. So but but long, long
story short, no, I don't. I don't ship as are
right now, but maybe maybe in the future. Maybe in
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just saying that right now, I'm gonna be with family.
So I'm pretty sure Drew may do something or maybe
dr J will come back, but I for me, for sure,
I'm not gonna be here.

Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
Uh my Thanksgiving is gonna be on next Wednesday because.

Speaker 1 (02:21:21):
Oh well there you go, you know, the the magic Johnson. Meanwhile,
he's like, I ain't gonna be here.

Speaker 2 (02:21:29):
I ain't gonna be here.

Speaker 1 (02:21:30):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's me. I ain't gonna be here.
So so, uh, Drew, Drew will keep you up today
or if there's gonna be a show next week or not.
I don't really foresee on on why a show should
be done next week, but but you know, Drew drews Drew.
He'll do what he wants to. But we'll see you
guys next week. Maybe I don't know, but if not,

(02:21:50):
definitely fly week. You guys have a great, great night,
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