WAR GAMES WAS WACK!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
Alright, alrighty a ready, welcome people. It is Wednesday, and uh,
don't adjust, don't just urize people. We are starting at
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is the experience I drew in with me as always.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Justin rosmind, most of ts at spine, most ts dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
All right, and uh yeah, welcome everybody who's currently listening
on YouTube and also in the discord chat room. I
see Kyle, what's up, Kyle? I see Paulie. What's up
paul I don't think I've seen her before. But welcome
to the show people. So how do you want to do?
Is you want to start the news first and then
the shows or what do you want to do?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's your call.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean I want to I want to hear your
input as well. What do you think works?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
You know, I'm good with whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Really, all right, well, this is both of our shows.
I don't like to say the word host, but yeah,
let's start with the news. Let's start with the big news.
So we've all speculated for a while that TNA would
be getting a new TV deal away from their current

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one with the WWE deal going on, and they have
so on December two, so literally yesterday, it was confirmed
that starting January the fifteenth, so next month or next year,
TNA will be on a new network, AMC. It'll be

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known as Thursday Night Impact and it will be eight
pm Eastern Time, nine pm Eastern Time running until eleven pm,
so it'll be a two hour show. So yeah, good
for TANNA. I mean, we've all been kind of speculating
where they should go. I believe AMC was a name
that popped up. I know, CW might have been a

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name that WW might have preferred, maybe even be on
like Peacock or what have you. But now we got AMC.
And then I also have a quote from Carlos Silva,
who the president of TNA. He says, today's a milestone
day for TNA Wrestling and truly the next stop in

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our story. Thursday Night Impact will air on AMC starting
January the fifteenth, or originating from the Curtis Kolewell Center
in Dallas, Texas. Thanks to all the TNA fans, our staff,
and dedicated athletes in the ring, plus the anthem board
and investors, as well as our sponsors and partners. Twenty
twenty five was record breaking, twenty twenty six will be

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even bigger on AMC. He also clarified it will not
affect the TNA Plus streaming platform, as users will be
able to view TNA on both AMC and the promotion
streaming site, so that's good. The show will also air
on AMC's own streaming platform, AMC Plus, giving TNA fans
a host of ways to watch the weekly television show.

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So that's pretty cool because I know AMC Plus. It's
kind of a cool bundle. So you obviously get AMC,
you also get Shutter and other networks like sun Dance
and i f C, and now you get to watch
wrestling on AMC Plus, so that's pretty dope and also
their catalog. The new television deal with AMC will also

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not affect TNA's wrestling. TNA Wrestling is ongoing partnership with WWE,
so that's good, which they announced at the beginning of
the year. Silva stated in interview that the deal with
AMC was due in part to their partnership with WWE,
which has seen stars from both promotions appear on each
other's shows. The first show of the AMC era of

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TNA will broadcast live from the Curtis. I just mentioned that,
and yeah, that's about it. So good for TNA, good
for wrestling, good for TNA forgetting that, forgetting that, And
like I mentioned, AMC is a pretty big deal. It's
a pretty big network. And I'm happy about this because I,

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you know, I want all this thing to do well.
In a perfect world, I want all promotions to do well,
not just WWE, and lately w W has been kind
of no bueno and I want to obviously, I want
WW do well. I want AW do do well. I
want TNA to do well. So this is good for
tnah that ww exposure helps. It's also good that it

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doesn't affect their relationship with w W E because there
was a rumor that apparently WWE was going to terminate
the relationship, which I'm like that that's that doesn't make
any sense. But justin what do you think about this
new thing going on with TNA that their TV.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Do WW They basically helped coordinate DNA to get this deal.
With AMC man Thursday's down more Eyeballs is gonna be
on the pilot. Big question Charlane asked, is this does
it really matter? Are you going to go out of
your way and watch TNA every week now since there
on AMC. I mean, as the no fan really gonna

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go and watch TNA every week on AMC.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I mean you would hope so, but realistically odds are
probably not. But like I said, it's on a bigger network,
so maybe maybe it'll help.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
They have more budget now and happy for the wrestlers.
I'm happy for the talent. I'm happy for another wrestling
promotion being on a big network. This is the first
time that I can think of, probably it's the early
two thousands that we had three major networks working with

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three major wrestling companies because WWF. Back in there was
USA Network tn T for WCW and TNN Original TNN
for ECW.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yes, sir, so this is a big deal.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
It is, and the fact that TNA is working with
ww they have the partnership, is gonna help help them
out now. I was kind of hoping that they're still
on Thursdays just because I don't want them to be
on Wednesdays, because that's a whole other can of worms
right there. If it was on Wednesdays and the tribalism,
they're like, oh, you know, fuck aw and I don't

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want them to die and oh fuck DNA. They shouldn't
be on Wednesdays. They do was therever?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
So Thursdays no.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
No, no, I'm saying if they were to go.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
To Wednesdays, okay, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
So it's it's one of those things where I'm glad
that the talent is gonna get more money out of this,
because I believe the contract is ten million in a
year or something like that. I heard it was like
ten million or fifty million or something like that. But
they're gonna be making this and you know that this

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is the next The next stop is WW buying them out,
buying out TNA. And if WW is a buying tn A,
I can see them really use it kind of like
how they're using Triple A. You know, take some of
their They'll still have the core aspect of the company there,
but it will just have a higher budget. That's number one,

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but also number two on top of that as well,
they can send some of the talent stats and not
really being utilized on TV down to TNA and be
able to you know, uh and also as well, don't
forget about like the development of you know of other
stars that could go down their bossl too as well,
the videotape library they finally use, you know, promotional packages

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while asking and stuff like that. Merchandise, video games, toys,
things that nature will be very good as well. But
over'reall good for TNA, and uh, well, we'll see where
it goes from here. I mean, I just really I
hope that this does get more eyeballs on the product,
But realistically, I don't really like if someone wants to

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watch CNA, they will just go either way and watch CNA. Already,
they wouldn't really like like, they wouldn't really like right now,
they can still go and watch TNA if they want to.
If they can, those fans are choosing not to. But
but hopefully this will bring fans in. I mean, but TNA,
let's be honest, they already fucked up, already fucked up

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over the last couple of weeks. I said, has not
even the champion anymore.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, that's stupid.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
That a very very, very very bad decision in my
opinion for that, you know what I mean, So at
least have them champion for at least a few months.
But but yeah, hopefully TNA does well and I can't
wait to see what they do in the future.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
So what TNA current, They're on access right correct? Okay,
do you think that kind of what is holding people
back from watching is that they don't have access?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Not necessarily, I.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Mean I kind of think so, because like access is
in exactly like.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
A no illegally yes, but we but if you want
to watch, like I said, if you want to watch TNA,
you can watch CNA.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
No agree or illegally.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
It's just.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I see, I see people talking about it's a big company.
It is the third biggest company. So I'm not I'm
not undertaining that. But I'm not seeing to the point
where it's like, oh man, you know you gotta watch
Bound for Glory, you gotta watch this. I'm not. I'm
not seeing that. With the with the with people trying
to watch TNA right now. Maybe that will change. I

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hope it does change, I really do, But just right now,
I just don't want us to bring up this story
and be like, hey, DNA are gonna be on our network?
Great for them, and they're gonna be on a MC great,
let's get out and watch it. Am I gonna watch
every week? Probably not, I'll be honest, I probably won't
watch every week. I still want them to do well.

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I'm not saying I don't want them to do well,
but with my time, and we talked about this instead
of pro wrestling of twenty twenty five, there's too much
fucking wrestling. There's too mutch, there's just there's nothing wrong
with it. But you got pick intoo what you want
to watch every week. It's already hard enough to keep
up with WW shows. Then you got a W they

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you got TNA. If you want to go to MLW
can watch that. If you want to watch GCW, you
can watch that. You wanna watch Triple A, you watch Day,
watch cml A, you watch DA. If you want to watch,
you watch. There's a whole bunch of wrestling out there
which is fantastic, but not every single person is gonna
end up watching the product of a certain company. And

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for me, I keep vote to you and obviously I
know it's the champions and I can't for myself watching
the big reason I watched bid reviews but I'm not
gonna watch every single week. I just don't have the time.
Maybe maybe on Thursday the Spurs is playing. Maybe on Thursday,
I want to go out and play basketball. Maybe on Thursday,
I want to go out to dinner with my uh,
with my family, you know what I mean. Maybe on Thursday,
you know, I'm going on a date with someone. So

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it's like there's a possible way that I'm able to
keep up with ten. If you're a die hard t
and a than day once in two thousand and two,
you are exceeded about this, and I am so happy
for you, I really am. But at the end of
the day, though, you just got pick and choose. You're wrestling,
and for me, TNA is not a one hundred percent

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priority for me.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
No, I agree. I mean at the end of the day,
like time always plays a big part in a lot
of these things, not just with wrestling, but just like
media are in general. Because you know, I'll be honest,
I don't want you to watch SmackDown, you know, because I'm
either doing something, you know, with the family, or there's
a Spurs game on it rather watch that, or there's

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a movie. I want to go out and see and
I want to go see that watch it. Yeah, I
mean there there there's that sometimes with Raw, like sometimes
I you know, I'll skip on the main event and
I'll go watch something else, or there's a Spurs game
on that's more important. Same thing with NXT. You know,
when there's too much of something that's not a good thing.

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And even Raw is not necessarily doing that well on Netflix.
I mean there's a I think there was a thing
that came out where the Raw didn't even crack the
top ten for Thanksgiving week, and you know, the whole
thing with and again this is this is kind of
a nothing because just like hearsay, but like you know,
Freddie Prince Junr apparently said that, you know, ESPN isn't

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happy about w w E, and I can kind of
believe him.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I mean, fucking Virus series was.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yet you know, Yeah, it's just like you know, if
you're gonna be if you're gonna be charging thirty fucking
bucks on another streaming service and you're not even gonna
give people a chance to like not sit through ads,
and again that's a nothing. Then that's more just a
me thing. You better give people something, You better give
people their money's worth instead of just giving them, you know, blah, like,

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no one's gonna pay thirty bucks to watch yeat. I'm sorry.
I know he sells merch, but no one like, no,
that's not that's not enough.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh, I mean it's not just it's I mean, it's
there pretty much the whole product right now.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
And the whole product is the whole product has has
glimpse of genius, but for the most part, it's not
worth you know, paying thirty bucks a month, you know,
and in some ways it's not even worth buying a
fucking VPN to watch it. Don't watch it. So yeah,
since you brought up Survivor series, let's talk about Survivor series.

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So Survivor Series was on Saturday. It was in San Diego, California,
at Petco Park, forty six and sixteen people. So a
lot of people went to this baseball stadium to watch
Survivor Series, so God help them. I was at a

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party on Saturday, so I had to catch the replays,
I think, any chance to see it live. But I
didn't watch it the very next day. Yeah, so obviously,
so let's get into it. So the first match was
the Women's War Games match. You had Team Ria which
is aj Lee, uxl Bliss, Charlotte, EO, and Rhea against
Team OSCA, which is Becky, Lash, Legend Nia the Kabooki

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Warriors which is Oscar and Cary. I'll say this, between
the two war Games match matches, I would say I
like this slightly better. Yeah, exactly. Also, the crowd was
just kind of weird. To was kind of weird that

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night because outside of you know, I'm not get in ahead,
but outside of Sena, which Sina is going to get
a reaction wherever he goes and dom and see them punk,
the crowd was kind of, I don't know, kind of
sitting on their hands a little bit through the whole match, Like,
I did you get that impression or was it just me?

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Crowd was terrible.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, the crowd was terrible Monday, and not to skip
bad Monday, the crowd was like a thousand times better,
like they were reacting for everything and that thus that
made the show a lot more enjoyable. But pretty much
outside of Rhea in this well, well.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I'll just want to ask you, do you know why
the crowds sounded louder on Monday versus versus as Survivor.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Series because they were in a smaller building.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Well that, but it was it's an outdoor arena. Outdoor
rian is for for a large part the noise is
delayed for the most part. But even even at that too,
the crowd still sucked. I'm not making excuse me, I'm
just saying that's why you can't. You can't really compare,
just because as a smart crowd would also be as

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indoors versus outdoors, like, of course it's gonna sound louder
for the most part.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
So oh yeah, yeah, I figured, like outdoor stadiums or
outdoor arenas whatever, I'm not crazy about because it just
doesn't come off well on TV.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, well, I well, I disagree about that because I
thought I thought the ecstatic of the same looked fantastic. Yeah,
you can see the skyline the background when they were coming.
I thought I thought that was oh man, I thought
that was beautiful. It looked fantastic, and we heard we
heard loud outdoor crowds before we heard loud, staying.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Many A many A forty I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
You could put I mean many you can. I'm sorry.
Mania forty Mania thirty three May and thirty one May
twenty four, like there's been instances where outdoor arenas have
sounded just fine. May nineteen, like, it's fine, it's fine.
Just this crowd sucks, that's it.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Mm hmm. No, the crowd was just not good at all.
And you know, nobody got a reaction. And again I
don't blame the talent, because you had good talent, even
I mean even Stephanie didn't get a reaction. Stephanie usually
gets a reaction, but again this match outside Aria, nobody
really got a reaction. But yeah, go into the match,

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reaction to right. And then AJ got a reaction because
people like AJ. But the match was again, it was fine.
There's some good spots. So there's the funny spot with
with AJ where she's trying to give EO the trash
can but she can't reach, and then Rhea picks her
up and helps her give her the trash can and
then EO does her her annual war Games trash can

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spot lash legend. I gotta say, looks like a star.
And granted she got no reaction, but that's kind of
the theme of Saturday. But she looks like a star.
She looked more confident out there. Niaah, everybody else Alexa.

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I just I'm kind of done with her. That's just me. Charlotte,
I I mean, Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte. Charlotte's always gonna be Charlotte.
There's there's no there's no other way around it. And
uh yeah, the match ends with AJ giving was it
Becky her submission hold? What was it called black widow? Yep,

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that's what it's called black widow, and then Becky taps out,
So they're going to continue that feud, which good. And
that's about it. But what you think about the match.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
It was It wasn't a War Games match. It wasn't
this this could it's been a traditional Vira series match.
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say this, just because
they happened so close to each other, and that's the
same concept any w's blood cuts matches. Blewe these two
out of the water period. It's you you have these

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matches that typically it is supposed to You know, I'm
not big, you know, I don't get horny off blood
like like a lot of people. But I'll just say this,
I certainly was wishing for more blood. Oh punk, that
wasn't punk bleeding. That was bullshit, all right, I wouldn't.

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I didn't consider that, like, oh my.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
God, that was and that went way quickly.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, it's like he's like he barely gigging himself whatever.
But I just thought, I just think that both these
War Games matches weren't weren't needed. They could have just
been regular Survivor series matches. And this concept is dead.
AW is doing a better war games than what you're

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doing WWE, just the way that it is right now.
That's one thing that AW does well is their Bland
Gus matches. But how but this terrible, terrible not saying
the match wasn't bad. The man's Wargames match wasn't bad.

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It's just not a match that should it wasn't It
wasn't a match that needed to happen inside of a
War Games cage.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
No.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
I agreed. I said that because I gave like a
brief review on Twitter where I just I'm over the
war games stuff because WWE hasn't really done them well.
That you've done them well ever since they brought him
on the main roster. When they're in NXC, they're fun,
but they have three Yeah, and I'll agree with you

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on the a w part aw at least they take
risks with that because they allow blood and for these
war games matches, for hell in the Cell matches like
there needs to be blood.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Well, I mean, so since is Trible h administration has started, right, yeah,
you had? I think this is the fourth war games
since Trible It's taken over.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
He came he started in twenty twenty four, so that'd
be that two two, yeah, but Vince came back.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
But he was it. But Vince, yeah, he came back,
but it was Trible Ah's shufflemost where, even though that's
still had saying ship twenty twenty two is definitely his
because Vince was out of there twenty twenty three, maybe
fifty to fifty twenty twenty four. So why so, well,
I'll say three, So we'll say three. Right, this Triple
Aze's third war games. The point I'm trying to get

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to is that how many helles Cell matches have we
seen since Triple Aze is taken over?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
One?

Speaker 1 (23:08):
I think two? That Edge and Finnbler.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Okay, and then there's the Punk and Drew and that
have blood.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And That's what I'm trying to get to.
That one. But because guess what. It was warranted for it,
and it had the story behind it. So I mean
that it's just one of those things where it's like, yeah,
it can have blood, but where's the story, you know
what I mean, it has to have a story.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
No, Like, yeah, it's just like go back to two
traditional Survivors series matches, Like, just do that. It's simple.
Like the wargame stuff has just been I don't want
to say underwhelming, but just like, you know, it just
feels like.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
You've been underwhelming for the most part.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
It's like you need these matches just for your show,
and I think the spurs are about to hit buzzer beating,
buzzer beating free throws. Yeah, just go back to Survivor
series matches, like that's really all you need because the
men's it just felt very rushed. I mean, and we
talked about it with seth Rawlins where Seth getting hurt,

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you know, kind of ruined a lot of plans, especially
for Survivor series. In Mania, the Women's Survivor series match
again another rushed concept of like we need we need
two big matches instead of just like trying to tell
a story and if you're just gonna rush things just
do do basic, I mean almost like basic, but just

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traditional Survivor series matches, though those would have been a
thousand times better. Those would have been.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Much better uses of the decade. Mm hmm, this is
the worst the Virus series of the decade. W W
is having their worst string of pair views sincial wait
just taken over for the most part. I mean you
had yet, you had like some really good Elevation Chamber.

(25:04):
You had Evolution to Back Clash was pretty good too
as well. So you had a Crown jewel. You said, yeah,
some there's some good shows, but diversaries. I mean, come on, man,

(25:24):
come on, man, I mean, I don't know, man, it's
it's it's it's it's not looking good. I'll say that
it's not looking good. I hope twenty twenty six changes
things around, but it ain't looking good to me, man.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
I mean, and there's a there's been speculation that Triple
H doesn't necessarily have say in booking anymore, that t
k O kind of plays a role in you know,
a lot of the booking. And there's a lot of
a I too, oh man, yeah, a lot, a lot.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
A lot of the AI has been gone damn man,
fucking you already know how I feelt about AI and
certain aspects. Man, this is one of the things that
that this is the one things I don't like about ANI.
Or it makes fucking people lazy. It makes people lazy,
like oh, just playing the computer or let the computer
do it? Like no, like like, yeah, it has a
fucking soul, has no soul whatsoever when you do when

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you do shit like.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
That, right, And also, let me bring something else up
to you, cause like, and this is gonna sound weird
coming from me, Vince Russo had a good point about
something where he brought up how a lot of feuds
in w W E it seems like they start backstage
instead of in the ring, and it's and and it

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and he's right because like you know, when you watch RAW,
you know, it's always like two guys are fighting and
then Adam Pierce comes in. He's like, all right, you
guys are have a match. And that's literally how the
matches or the feud begins instead of just like telling
basic you know, storytelling, you know, and same thing SmackDown
and NXT at least advertises their matches and they, you know,

(27:04):
tell a story like Sean Michaels, you know, books the
show a lot better, but you know, Ron SmackDown are
just it's kind of like lazy booking. And I don't know,
like Vince's Vince rust again, you know, for all his
faults and he has a lot of faults, Like he's
still he's a guy that helped WWE defeat w c

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W in the ratings and you know, helped you know,
create successes like Steve Austin in the Rock, so even
you know he can have.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Two at the same time.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, true, but I don't know how do you feel
about that? Like what do you think about Vince making
that kind of statement? Do you kind of see any
truth in it?

Speaker 1 (27:44):
I mean yeah it is. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
So so like, how do you fix that with w
W instead of just doing like the basic by the
numbers and the spurs one because Cornet blocked the shot?
Fuck yeah Goespers. Yeah, okay, no, I'm sorry, I'm got sidetracked.
But anyways, I'm gonna I'm paying attention. How do you
how do you fix that instead of just doing like

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buy the numbers bullshit like they've been doing on the programming, Like,
how do you fix that? How do you fix feuds
because like the best, the less like good feud that
happened in WWE, you know, happened by accident, you know,
so drew and punk like, how do you fix that nowadays?
With programming? And not even just in w w E.
I'll I'll say a w like, how do you fix

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that with both products?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
So we'll start with w w E. The way you
built feuds is you will obviously, it can start in
the ring, and it can be a match right between
two wrestlers, right, and let's just say a bay face wins,
right that you'll get mad he attacks the bay bay

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Face out the words, and you can start to start
a feud that way, right, something quick, simple, right, or
a lot of times too as well. This is what
ww does. It starts in the ring with a promo
and someone comes out there and interrupts it, and it
starts to feed it that way. That's a little bit
more plain Jane, but it works. It works when it's
done right too as well. You can still start fused backstage.

(29:18):
That's fine. It has nothing to do where it starts.
It has to do with what's the story number one,
but also number two as well, what like when you
ever start a story, you have to know the end
of the story, what's gonna be the end of the story,
and work your way backwards. Don't don't just start the story.

(29:40):
Ohhre's gonna go as we go. Right, And as for
both a W and WWE, right, it could be like
a very long term story as far as with a
certain wrestler. For example, hey man On Paigewe first won
the aw World title and his character development is change
and you know, you know, losing his friends and down

(30:00):
on his lug. Then you know he ended up being
kiddo making for the title. Right, you can start you
have a story just with one person too as well.
W W doesn't really do that that much. I think
the last time we've seen something like that is maybe
with Roman, you know, with the with the whole, you know,
with the beginning of the tribal Chief. But but I

(30:22):
think they'll be bear with with WW where they can
have a story for one individual that doesn't have to
be over a course of a month. It could go
over a course of a couple of years, you know
what I mean. Or they could tell a story of
like and they actually do have this story with EO
or rio rupty has ever been EO. That's the story
right there, you know what I mean that they can

(30:43):
always go back to. But it's it's just it's just
having more soul and also thinking it out, like what's
the end of this story? What what's gonna be the
end of the story. What's gonna be the end game? Okay?
The end game is? Okay, we want to make Jacob
at the world champion. Okay, who's he gonna beat for
the world title? Okay? This guy, how we're gonna get there? Okay,

(31:06):
this guy? What's his roadblocks?

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (31:07):
This this, this, this, this where he's gonna win the title?
At Okay, at WrestleMania. You have to have these thoughts
and development and and and just and just actually have
some real like just make it make sense at the
end of the day. But you know, to me, though,
I mean, there's a lot that can be done, man,

(31:31):
but just just be go have be basic, but also
at the same time, know what the fuck you're doing,
Know what the fuck you're doing, and and have a
point A to point B.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Okay, let me let me just kind of piggyback off
of that. Another thing is just like you know, you
brought up the whole thing with Rio and Real Riha
and EO about you know, Rio's obsession with never beating EO,
like they kind of gave up up on that a
little bit and.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Now but there, here's the thing. I didn't say obsession.
That didn't say obsession. I said EO has always been
Ria Ripley. Ria's never been EO. That's the story right there.
It could be two years from now when they come
back and you know what they can say. It only
come to you, Real Ripley, Is there a be an
Eeo's guy. That's your story right there, right because you

(32:23):
know what I mean. It doesn't have to Yeah, no,
that has nothing to do with EO being I'm sorry
with the Ria being obsessed about it is. The story
is that, you know, Ria has never been Eoing a
one on one match coin like with keny Omega's One
Week Angel, no one's ever kicked out the one we
An Angel. That's the story. It's like adventisture, right if

(32:43):
you know the one If you know, if keny Omega
hits the one we Angel, you know the match is over,
you know what I mean, unless it's like a rope
break or something like that, but like, no one's kicked
out of it, right, and they can't you know eventually.
I don't know if they're ever gonna do this, but
you know, the first time when someone kicks out the
one we angel, it's gonna be like whole holy shit
could be a holy shit moment, right, and that puts
in a wrestler's manual. Maybe not with aw but but

(33:05):
you figure it would be something like that. But yeah,
I mean, I just want more long term storytelling that
doesn't necessarily have to do with the week to week product.
It just I just want stories that have like over
arching you know, meaning to them at the end of

(33:26):
the day.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, just like you know, that's that's what gets people
to tune in. You know, the Punk Drew stuff got
people to tune in. You know this, you know stuff
with Hangman and Swear. I'll give them credit for that.
That's what got people to tune in. So, you know,
not to say that nobody's really tuning in for either,
I mean yeah, but it's just like there's really no

(33:51):
storylines that are keeping people invested. And you know, we
can talk about talent what we want, but like what
makes talent interesting is storylines, you know, to me, in
my in my opinion, not just characters, but a good
storyline that you can like latch onto. But let's go
back to the show. Uh So the next match was
a Dominic Mysterio versus John Cena for the inter Continent Championship.

(34:18):
I said, I was thinking this could have been the
main event, mainly because it's John Cena and it's you know,
Dom is over over as shit, and he's in his hometown.
So this to me could have easily been the main event.
And it was sandwiched in between you know, three other matches,
but uh, this had a big fight feel. Both guys

(34:42):
were over. The match was good. I think the match
in Boston was maybe a little better, but this was
still just as good. I you kind of figure there
was gonna be a lot of Gaga, and I thought
it was kind of funny how Raquel and and Roxanne
were involved. And then Dom did the he did. He
did the spot where he pretended to be hurt, only

(35:03):
for a Roquel and Rock Sande to go after Sena
and then Dom gets up, you know, faking the whole time,
and then Pens and then pens Sena. He only gets
the two count and then uh, there's the ref bump,
which you know was I kind of figured it was
gonna happen just by how the referees positioned himself in
the ring. John calls for another referee to come into
the ring and it's live Morgan, which I could want

(35:25):
to live Morgan was gonna be out a little longer.
But glad she's back, obviously because you know, she was needed.
And then she she kind of she she doesn't. Another
version of Sena as a spot with Cody at elimination
chamber where she jumps in his arms and hugs him
and then the camera pants to her face looking you know, psychotic,
and then.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
She's just fucking stupid, fucking dumb.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, and then she kicks Seen in the balls and
then Dom goes through the.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
To do that, like does something ever you think we're
stupid or something like why have to do that?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I mean, why not?

Speaker 1 (36:03):
They couldn't do anything else creative?

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah? True, I mean but it didn't really bother me,
Like I didn't really see it that way.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
See. See that's the issue right there. Fans are accepting
this ship and that's why WW is doing the ship
that they do because fans are accepting the ship that
people are going like, oh my god, look local women
is cheaper. No no, no, no, we barely we just saw
this less what was it eight months ago? Come on, man, like,

(36:34):
well ten months ago now. But like my point stands
like it's WWE Obviously they look at online and they
see the positive reactions with it. Am I glad Live
is back to AUF so fucking I love Live more
than she's she's she's one of my favorites. But they
could have done it a different way, Like they just

(36:55):
rehash something that was done ten months ago, Like, come on,
stop being lazy. Write something better than that. You got
you got a handful of minds back there, and and
you just went with something that was done ten months ago.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
The thing is, I'm agreeing with you. The thing is
I'm agreeing with you, like I could they have done
some creative like yeah, but it's just like I didn't
really I know, I didn't really think too much of it.
I just kind of looked at it as like, okay,
so we're doing that fine, Like I just kind of
thought of it like that.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
So if AW did you, you would have been more
harsh on him. I think.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
No, I wouldn't have. I would have just been like, oh,
you're copying WW all right.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Well not necessarily this particular thing. But what I'm saying
is is that like, let's say that he did something right,
and he just and he did the same thing again
ten months later, in this ninety ish percent the same
exact way. It's like, oh, like I just I just
I just hate laziness and pro wrestling, no matter what
company it is, and this is purely lazy.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
I don't even got a w for anything anymore. The
only the only time I ever really go after him
for anything is when they do something that's just over
overtly just dumb and unsafe, Like that's really the only
thing I go after him for, and not you know,
copying ww E things, cause let's just be let's just
be fair, like people copy each other and wrestling all
the time, like it's nothing new.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Oh regardless though regardless it to me, to me, this
was I don't I don't want to go as far
as saying it was inexcusable, but it's again lazy, just lazy.
And that's what WW has been doing all year long,
just being fucking lazy, just doing what they want just
be like, hey, we'll get by on this. Oh yeah,

(38:45):
you know what you're gonna like it? No, like this
this is this is type of ship that we got
per foot down on, Like we can't just like let
this fucking company do whatever the fuck they want. And
you know this is why they're they're barely getting by
on the ship that they're doing right now because US
fans like us is just accepting the ship.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Right. But uh, let's see, But what'd you think about
the match?

Speaker 1 (39:09):
It was fine? I like the match. I like the match.
I'm hearing people saying this was seeing his best match
of his retirement tour.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
No, no, no, it was one of the good match
maybe i'll top five.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Not the best match, not the best match at all,
not even close. But I did enjoy it. I thought
I thought it was good for what it was.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Agreed. I mean, his his best match was with aj
You know that. That's to me, well, my my favorite.
I'm just speaking for my preference.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
No, that's fair, you say. Even even the Somerset Colony
match was fantastic too.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, that was fun. And the match he had with
Randy at Backlash was fun. The match with the Dom
and Boston, I thought was a little better and then
you can maybe squeezes into number five, you know, fuck it.
So but yeah, so next is we got and John
Cena one more appearance December thirteenth coming up, and we're

(40:12):
gonna find out Friday who it is. But we'll get
into her all after this. Uh what was that?

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Go after her?

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Uh, we'll see uh next as yet. Stephanie of Acords
defending the Women's World Championship against Nikki Bella. This match
was fucking awful. I'm just gonna say for myself, this
was fucking awful.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, but yeah, both both women did not do well
in this match.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
I mean, I fucking you know, you know I feel
about Stephanie. Stephie couldn't even get a reaction. Stephanie got
no reaction and Stephanie.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
She got no reaction. I mean, not her fault, because
as you said, the crowd sucked the entire night, so
that too as well. This wasn't her best match either though.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
No she canna pull a good match out of Nikki
like that's just.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Well, well, Nikki suck too as well. But but Stepanie
didn't do too high either, So I think I think
it was like maybe like seventy Nikki's fault, thirty percent
Stephanie's fault, but they're both that fault.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah, this was bad. There are botches. Stephanie again had
to carry her and she didn't do that well either. Again,
I gotta be honest, I gotta I gotta call it
my favorites. This was not Stephanie's best outing and I'm
glad the fuck I'm I'm hoping this is the end
of the Bella thing. I don't want to see her

(41:38):
on TV anymore. The heel turned didn't make any sense,
the heel promos didn't make any sense, and nobody cares.
Nobody cares about this. I don't I don't want to
see breathe. I know Brie was like, I want to
be with my sister. No, no one cares, No one
wants to see it. I don't care that. I don't
care that they get a reaction, they have a fan base.
She sucks. Just fucking awful. This was awful, just like

(42:02):
dreadful to watch. But Stephanie won, which good and hopefully
with Live back, you know, we get better people for
Stephanie to work against, because lately Stephanie has been having
to uh, I guess pull double duty so to speak

(42:24):
with certain people, and it's like the I mean, the
thing with Nikki, the thing with who the fuck else.
There's somebody else she worked with that wasn't really all
that great. I mean, so yeah, the match she had
with eel of Russell plus that was awesome. Ever since then,
it's just like she hasn't really had a good feud,

(42:48):
you know. They they did the whole thing with the
judgment day and that should have been better, but it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
This is why I did not was Stephanie to become champion.
This is Zachary's right here. W W is gonna fail
her and they're failing her so far.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Agreed they should have.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Just they should just kept her even kill even because
now then again there were injuries too as well. I
get that. I understand that, right. I would just would
have went with the yell. I just would have went
with the you know, and just and just let Stephanie
continue to build her build herself up. Then probably I
would have been mad if stephan would have won to
Roy Rumble, I wouldn't have been mad at that, but

(43:28):
they rushed her to the top. This is why you
do not rush anyone to the top. They they're they
they're doing it wrong with Stephanie. They're doing it right
with bron Breaker. See see what happened when bron Breaker.
If you wanted to have bron Breaker win, win the title,
you know, win the world, win championship, and they decided
to put him on Punk. And I came on this
show and was like, no, it's fine for bron Breaker.

(43:50):
They're building him up. So when again, when he gets
in a few with Punk, when he actually wins the title,
it will actually mean something and he will be better
off for the long term. This is not said adding
Stephanie up for the long term. No, it's not. And
I love Stefanietek, She's fantastic. But this is why you
got to make sure when you have your new talent

(44:11):
that when you put the title on them, or when
you put them in a situations like this, that they
are ready. Being EO Sky at Wressell Palooza, although it
is a great match, doesn't necessarily mean that she's ready
at the fans are a thousand percent behind her. Fans
are behind Stepanie, but there I have seen some bad

(44:31):
clash on Stephanie because she was pushed to the title
too fucking soon. You can't like I love pizza. I
love pizza doesn't mean I want to eat pizza every
fucking day.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
True.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I love ice cream doesn't mean I want to have
ice cream every night.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Burgers taco right, right, It's sometimes it's bad to have
too much of a good thing, you know, Like we
still have turkey leftover from Thanksgiving, and you know, there
was a point after a few days, I'm like, I
don't fucking want turkey, like I would.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Rather how many How many days do you get with
leftovers from Thanksgiving?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Typically depends because we had Thanksgiving here and then we
had Thanksgiving at the in law's house, so we we
had a lot of food from our end and food
that we took home. So we still have turkey, we
still have ham. Yeah, there's a lot left that we
can like do other ship with. But yeah, there was

(45:28):
a point where it's just like I don't want turkey, Like, please,
I don't want turkey?

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Can I have something I usually I usually get to
about me about like I can't usually do two days,
so like two days as far as like Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
The two days is obviously Friday Saturday, but two days
after Thanksgiving, I get leftovers after that.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Fuck that agreed, But no, I'm agreeing with you. Like
I love Stephanie, but like I, they pushed her way
too far away, too soon. And you know, what they're
doing with Braun I think is fantastic because now it's paying.
I mean, I'm not saying paying off, but like, you know,
it's working. It looks like it's working so far, and
it might even pay off. So yeah, like this this match,

(46:18):
I don't think did Stephanie any favors, and I wouldn't
be surprised with live back. They find a way to
get the title off of Stephanie to kind of like
not necessarily rebuild her, but give her time to really
kind of organically get over, you know. I mean. All right,

(46:38):
So now we're moving on to the main event, which
was the men's Wargames match. You had the Vision bron Breaker, Bronson,
Reed Logan, Paul Drew McIntyre, and Brock Lesner with Paul Hayman.
You had Sea Upon Cody Rhades, the Ussos and Roman Reigns.
A small note condolences to see ump Punk and aj Lee.
Their dog Larry passed the way a on Monday. Punk

(47:04):
was wearing a jacket on Saturday that said Larry's dad.
So I'm assuming he was not doing so well either way,
you know, heading into Monday. So and anyone that knows
him Punk knows how much he loved that dog.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
You know, he even had shirts made of him, you know, even.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, he has Larry has his own action figure, like man,
you know, it's it's that very set, very very very set.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I was gonna say, even Kenny Omega moved him out
of the way, you know, during that you know, back
room brawl.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
I'm sorry, that's still one of the funniest things, like
like we like out of the whole entire deal, like
this massive bra is going on and fucking Kenny. Kenny's
more worried about Larry, and to make sure Larry doesn't
get hurt.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
I mean I would. I don't want to. I don't
want an animal to get hurt.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
So yeah, well, I mean, well that's just throws you
in the core that the person King Omega is versus
the young bucks so and.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Then a steel bit him apparently.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, it's probably gonna strangle Ay.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Then the buying them that's probably where the bike came from.
It's like, who'd you get bit by? The dog? Is like, no,
a steal. But yeah, like I anyone that knows me
knows that I'm a I'm an animal lover. I'm a
for a parent, you know, a bunch of cats and
a dog. And unfortunately, you know, we lost some you
know somewhere babies this year. And uh, you know, when

(48:42):
I hear anyone losing one of theirs, like, it hurts
because then I think of mine, and you know, from
one pet odor to another. You know, my condolences to
you know, phill to fill up and April on the
loss of their child, Larry so r I p to Larry.
But going into this match up Punk, obviously, you know

(49:03):
Punk's always gonna get a reaction, so he came out.
Jay us So came out and started doing his yeating
during the match, which I thought was dumb.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
That was the one of the dumbest things I've ever
seen in a match of this caliber, thank you, one
of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Now it's to
be a different point when aw does it because well,
you know what, no, no, no, no, I take that back,
because I think it was the Anarchy and Arena match

(49:37):
a couple of years ago. And uh, this when the
Young Bucks when they first got there their new theme
with the the secession theme. Uh when when they when
they first did like the the e vps when they
were micro salves as EVPs and it got the new
like a secession theme. Anyway, like they had to match

(49:57):
and that theme was going on. And then then Daniel
Since in the middle of the match with the microphone says,
we're gonna play the best thing a long time and
they started playing final Countdown, which you know, it's awesome
theme so on, but like you something the mill just
fucking brawl to do that was was stupid. So jay
was so yeating on top of the cage, was fucking retarded.

(50:18):
It was stupid. No, I agree, whenever like and this
goes back on to Creative trible h. I don't know.
I don't know if jayu So even want to do that.
Maybe he did, probably did want to go up there
and do that in the middle of the match. But
balls at the same time as well, like I'm gonna

(50:39):
blame creative for this, I'm gonna blame trouble h for this.
Who the fuck told him to go out there, because
he was obviously told to go out there to do that.
It wasn't like Jane claiming the cage on, you know,
on his own wheels, like I'm gonna start yeating then,
you know, I hope they play my theme. So no,
this is planned well fully a planned spot. It was retarded,

(51:00):
stupid fuck creative of WW right now, it's fucking inexcusable,
inexcusable and downright gett know, offensive, very offensive.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
I don't know if I would say offensive, I would
just say it's stupid as fuck.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
It's offensive. Who in their right mind in a real
fight would you start celebrating your your friends are getting
your asses kicked, and you're gonna start celebrating doing your.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Celebration, Okay, you a good? Like It's like it's like
when when Jeff Hardy debuted in a w and like
Matts getting his ass whooped, and then Jeff just like
starts dancing and that's.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
The thing as well, and we get the women's match.
Everyone their music played. That came out, dude, that pauls
like when EO came out, she did her pose and
and all that. No, it's war games. Run your ass
down to the ring and go, hope your fucking friend now,
like I don't understand this, you know, Roman coming out

(52:02):
there taking his time and know what I mean, like man.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
And also well I was gonna say something that kind
of figured out on my own, like like Brock leaving
the cage so we can fight Roman, Like is that.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Well we'll we'll well no, no, because because the national
official started yet okay, right right, yeah, so it has
to like everyone has to be in the ring first
before that that rule goes into effect.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
But yeah, Brock came out and interrupted the eating, which
good fuck fuck the heats, and then Roman came out,
and then Roman and Brock fought outside and they got
back into the cage and that's when war games started.
Like I said, Punk bled, but that kind of went
away like quick.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
It didn't matter. It didn't matter, not even he might
as well not even fucking blade himself or wherever he did.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
No, no, no, I'm agreeing, like because because I when
I saw that, I was thinking, like, I wonder what
Justin's gonna think about that, because anyone that listens to
the show, I always bring up blood, like you know,
in like to be like you know, to kind of
be funny. And then you know, Justin will kind of
like be funny with me. He was like, Oh, that
wasn't really blood, but you know, Yetta, Yetta in this case,

(53:17):
that was like barely blood. Matter of fact, that wasn't
even blood at all. And then Cody, he had a
cut from I think like the previous like Friday or
Friday before brock bron Breaker got dropped on his head,
which you know, that's always love and then brock Lessner
drops fucking seampunk on his head and that was lovely.

(53:41):
And let me just get to the end of the match,
because I really want to rants about this. What was
the fucking point of the mass guy entering the match?
He's part of the vision, okay, but the thing is,
you have brock Lesnar in the ring. Shouldn't that be enough?

Speaker 1 (54:00):
How would you introduce this new character?

Speaker 3 (54:02):
I don't even know who this new character is. It's
they're they're saying Austin theory, which if that's the case,
it's like, oh, you're gonna redbut a guy that no
one really cares about anymore. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.
It's like, if this is supposed to be your quote
unquote insurance policy. It's like, then, what was the point
of brock Lessard being in the match?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
I think this was always going to be the finish
no matter what, even if Seth Robbins was healthy.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Well, it's stupid. I don't like it. It's it's dumb
as fuck. Like I don't even care if it sawstin theory.
I mean they're saying Montese Ford, which that would be fun,
because God knows, I want to see that guy as
a single star. I'm sorry, but I do. It's not
It's obviously not Seth. They're they're playing around saying, oh
it's Seth. I'm like, no, he's hurt. No, you know

(54:49):
it's not Jericho because he's not gonna get his fifty
four year old ass like climbing the cage.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
It's too tall to be Jericho.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
It's somebody that's really fit and and you know you're
probably gonna roll your eyes on me when I say this.
It's someone that's really fit and has a big ass.
So I don't know who it is.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Fuck.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I mean that guy had a dunk. Like I'm sorry,
I'm not gare or anything, but like, that guy had
a dunk. He had a dumb truck.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
I went, I wouldn't have it. I wouldn't describe it
like that. But hey man, if you want to describe
it like that, man, it's free country.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Hey man, I'm I'm just complimenting another man. I'll stop.
But yeah, just whoever that is? I mean, I'm in
some ways I'm kind of glad they didn't reveal it
on Monday, Like, take your time with it. I have
a feeling, and I'll jump ahead a little bit. I
have a feeling we're gonna find out who that is

(55:48):
on January? Was it January fifth? The first raw of
the new year.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
So yeah, he's gonna help Brown Breaker on.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
The title, So yeah, I think that's that's who it's
gonna be. So uh yeah, the the vision one, which
I kind of predicted because it's like.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Okay, sorry to just go back to this real quick.
So so are you hoping that it is montest Ford
or like, like, who do you want it to be?

Speaker 3 (56:19):
I would want montest Forward because like, again, a fresh face,
someone who's talented, someone who actually gets a reaction, like
someone who'd I actually want to see something out of
Austin theory. I don't hate him, but it's like this
guy's already been overused and he's not over at least.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Has he gotten a bear shake since Vince left.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
No, and I'll admit that, like he hasn't. Like a
lot of people since Triple H took over have either
have kind of not been used as well as opposed
to when they had Vince and I and I said
this a while back when when Triple H took the
reins is that there's gonna be a lot people There
are a lot of events. You know, there's gonna be
a lot of people that don't vibe with Triple H

(57:05):
the way they vibe with Vince. I mean, look at
you know, well, it's been a lot of old timers
like you know, Bobby Lashley and MVP, and then you
had who is the big jack guy who played guitar
Rick Boogs Like he was on television a lot more
events was around then as soon as Triple H took over,
he wasn't on television as much. So same thing with

(57:26):
Austin theory. Austin theory was like push to the fucking moon.
Like this dude was in main events segments. He was
an opening segments, many middle segments and main event segments
too exactly, Hey what's up three x in the YouTube
chat what's up? Man? But yeah, yeah, he won money
in the bank and then he fucking he lost it

(57:47):
trying to catch in on the US Championship. Terrible, but yeah,
but Austin theory again, good luck not a terrible wrestler
has a good personality. But it's one of those things
that just like if you see it's awesome theory, it's like,
is anyone gonna react?

Speaker 1 (58:07):
But then again, is anyone gonna react to whoever it
is regardless unless it's like a like a major star. Yeah,
So I mean I hear what you're saying, Like it's
sound like you're half pregnant with it, like just like
almost singling singling out Austin Theory if it was anyone else,

(58:28):
like would it matter?

Speaker 3 (58:29):
True?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Like the only person the only people that will like
actually got to react to someone like Jericho. It's not Jericho,
but I'm just saying, like someone like Jericho, you know,
someone like a seth Rollins, you know what I mean,
someone in that nature, Like if it's Austin Theory, is
gonna get a mini pop, if it's Montespours, geta get
a mini pop. It's like like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Holy shit, or Ethan Page. Ethan Page can be another name.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Yeah, but they're not gonna pop. I will love it,
don't get me fucking wrong. I'll love it, but he's
not gonna get that reaction.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
True. The threll ax and YouTube you got when you
go to notifications market is personalized, so that way you
get notified when the show comes comes up. But yeah,
just to kind of yeah, just go back, like Ethan
Page I think would be a good name. But yeah,
to be fair, I don't really think any I think
the real I think the I guess the reveal would

(59:26):
get somewhat of a pop, but it's like, you know,
whoever fits that build. It's like, I don't know, I
don't know what's gonna happen, but more than likely we're
gonna find out in January, at the beginning of January.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
But I think I think if it's awesome theory, I'm
optimistic about it because this will be the first time.
Also in theory is actually gonna be at a main
event like group situation, Like you know, spotlight's gonna be
on him and he's young, and I just think that

(59:59):
will be a good opportunity for him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Very true, but that was a Suburbs series. I did
not like it. I gave it a D maybe like
a D or D minus. Not a very good show.
It's to me, I don't know where i'd put it
as far as like the worst pos of the year,
but it's definitely in the top three. But I know

(01:00:26):
you weren't a little too fond of it either, But
how would you well? Go ahead?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I'm sorry, No, I was gonna say bad show. I
gave us a three and a half out of ten.
Possibly I liked Russell Palooza more than other people. I'm
not saying it was a good show, but like I
liked it more than most people. This to me between
W W E and A W and you know, everything

(01:00:54):
that I've seen this year so far TNA as well.
This to me is the worst pay review of the
year so far. And we only got I mean not
so far, but like we got a month left, so
I don't think it's gonna get much worse. It is,
to me, is the most worst. The reason why is
because every single match on here except just Sena and

(01:01:16):
uh Dominic didn't really have any feeling towards it, no
no feeling, just there proud sucked, nothing happened, no major
return like it just it was soulless. At least at
least with AW I mean, at least guaranteed one banker

(01:01:36):
a show where if you liked that particular style of match,
wherever it is or not, at least you're guaranteed one
match was like, Okay, that's a good fucking match, right,
May not be worth waiting, you know, the seven hours
to get to that point or wherever however long the
bit review is, but at least you had one match
like that was a good match. I didn't really feel
that in this show. Yeah, Sena and Dominic was fun, fun,

(01:02:03):
but I didn't really think it was like a great match,
like they could have just done out roll, could have
done something in raw, done same thing on SmackDown, you
know what I mean. It wasn't even better than their
first match. So it bad show, terrible show, the worst
of viras series of the decade. This was the worst

(01:02:25):
year for WWE of the decade. Twenty twenty is better
than twenty twenty five. I don't give a shit when
anyone says twenty twenty is better than twenty twenty five.
At least in tween twenty they were Chinese stuff, and
you know they were they were doing they were trying
to something. They were trying to make it fun at
least like watching WWE program Right now, there's really nothing

(01:02:47):
fun about it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Yeah, I mean cause, like you know, a few years ago,
it actually I got that old feeling back of like
I need to watch raw, I need to watch SmackDown,
I need to watch it. I want to see what's
gonna happen. Now it just feels like a chore again.
And I hate that. I hate that. I hate I
hate when something that I love feels like a chore.

(01:03:11):
Like I don't like that feeling. So again I I
echo your sentiments like I hope, I hope twenty twenty
six is an improvement, not just for WW. But I'm
as of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Right now, I'm not saying how we do how we
can do that. There will be brilliant of course, right,
There's gonna be great moments, right, I mean yeah, One
of the greatest moments in WW history happened this year
with John Stantorni Hill again moment. The moment that happened.
The follow up was was awful, terrible, right, But I'm
talking about in that current moment when we were watching

(01:03:41):
Wlemen the Chamber, we we and when that pair of
you out the air, we witnessed one of the greatest
moments that we've ever seen. Period. Yeah, but this year,
I don't, dude, I I don't. I don't know, man.
I mean, you're we're looking, we're looking at Russell Mania
possibly of Cody versus Roman. Again. I don't want to
see that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
To see that, I don't either. I let's just kind
of yeah, I don't want to see that. I I'd
much rather see Cody and maybe Punk, or maybe Roman
versus Punk. You know, Roman versus Punk seems like a
bigger matchup. And you know, also they have the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
The two this should be the two matches for the
for the world titles. You got Cody versus Punk, you
got bron Breaker versus seth Rawlins. I'll be I'll be
fine with those with those two matches.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Well, I would. I mean, I'd rather see Roman versus
Punk because I think there's more to that. I know
they've been teasing Cody versus Punk for a while. Yeah,
and it's like, you know, if you're gonna do it,
maybe this year is the year to do it. But
you know the champions.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Champion, who's the champion going into a punk?

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
M No? True? Like, uh, well, Punk's gonna be the
champion going in uh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
And then then he beats Roman.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Yeah, I mean that that's your big money match. I
mean at this point, does Roman need to win? Does
Roman need to be a champion anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Doesn't need to win? But he's still your dumb guy too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Yeah, But then that creates another problem of like he's
on he's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Not last year. He didn't win last year either.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Right, But then that also creates another problem of like
Romans barely on the show anymore, so you're gonna have
another champion that's barely one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
O where yet? No? No? Yeah, no, Roman is like
can become a champ. That's why that's why I'm more
at for punking Cody.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
No, no, guys, I want that match too, but like
I don't know. And then then also that also creates
a problem like what you do with Cody, Like I
mean maybe I'm just going off of my needs on
like you know, have Oba Femi win the Rumble and
beat Cody, But I don't think that's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
You know again, You're you're doing a step in a
cure route right there. You're pushing him way too fucking soon,
and all he can do is go down from there.
All with me. He's gonna be a you know, a
main up perio man venion for years if done right,
you don't need to push him immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Like so, I mean, I had an idea that I
pitched on Monday where I was saying, you know, on
the January or the first raw of January, you know,
Broun beats Punk because whoever the masked person is comes
out and screws over Punk, and then Punk confud with

(01:06:34):
whoever the hell that is, and then Punk could either
win the roar rumble or win the elimination chamber and
go after Braun for the title at Menia. You know,
because I hate the fact that WW got rid of
house shows because it because a lot of guys and
girls need that exposure in front of other crowds, you know,

(01:06:55):
for someone like a bron Breaker, Like, yeah, they're pushing
them the right way by not over pushing him. So
him working with a punk I think could really benefit
him well and him, you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Know, bron and Punk and Cody and Roman.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
I mean, I think they're gonna do Cody and Roman.
That kind of seems like the way they're gonna go. Granted,
I don't want to see it, but I think that's
gonna happen. Yeah, right right, And that's also the big
money matchup because they're gonna be in Vegas again and
they're teasing it. I mean they tease it at a
Survivors series where Cody didn't want to shake Roman's hand
in Roman didn't want to shake his hand and blah

(01:07:30):
blah blah. And now Roman and Punk are you know,
besties essentially. You know, they were just in that Zotopia movie,
which I fucking loved. So I don't know. You can
do Roman, you can do Roman in Punk down the line.
But I think they're gonna go with Roman and Cody
part tres and I don't know, but that's man, that's

(01:07:54):
I don't know, man, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
I don't know about that. I mean, I mean, now,
this was brought up, you know, months ago, and I
was like, well, he ain't. He ain't doing that anytime soon.
I think the only way to make Cody and Roman
different and probably something work While watching it if they

(01:08:19):
turn Cody heel.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Yes like Cody, And I don't know, this kind of
gets overused, the topic of like then you turn someone heel,
blah blah. It's like why though at this point, Roman's
gonna be over as Rover no matter where he goes.
People love Roman. He's the badass babyface Cody. Cody's still

(01:08:41):
going to be over and sell merch and you know,
sell tickets and get a reaction team. So I him
being a heel, I think makes sense because he could
play the heel character a little better and that would
maybe not necessarily revitalize him but make him more interesting again.
And he's been a heel before, and he's actually a

(01:09:03):
pretty good heel. You know, when he was dashing Cody Rhodes,
when he was you know, the psychotic Cody Rose, or
when he left w w E and he was in
the indies or TNA.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah, where he was in the Bullet Club Cody Rose,
like fucking fantastic ship.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
You know. I still like that one clip, I don't
know what's funny, like when he whispers into Marty Scrollsier,
I hope he fucking die and then he just like
smiles on him but no, he can be a heel.
He has it in him, like he's Dustin or Dusty
is a much better babyface Cody, I think is Cody's
a good baby face, but I think he's a much

(01:09:42):
better heel. In my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
He's a great he's at face. He's a fantastic baby face.
It's just that, It's just that I think that the
dynamic of what the story that they're trying to tell,
I think Cody probably would need to be heal, if
not heal all the way, at least playing the gas

(01:10:05):
the hell character for the feud and having that edge
and you know, not necessarily you know, smiling and kissing
Maybies and all that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
And also another thing with Cody and RJ, you know,
shouts to RJ. He remember he brought this up to
me a long time ago. And this is when Cody
was in AW and he was, you know, actually getting
booed in AW as a face. Is that something about
Cody can be very condescending, like whenever he talks. Yeah,
I mean he doesn't do as much anymore in WW.

(01:10:36):
He did a lot in AW where he was just
trying to be the cool babyface or trying to be
the nice babyface and it just came up as very condescending.
And do you think that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Was Do you think that was manufactured though, that he
was being condescending on purpose?

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Yes, and no. I think I also think Cody just
judging by like how I've seen him in interviews, he
just comes off as a dude, Like he just seems
like someone who has a very cynical, you know, sense
of humor, and he doesn't really take too much seriously.
So I just I just think that's a sense of humor.
And maybe because a lot of people don't get sarcasm,

(01:11:13):
like sarcasm goes over a lot of people's heads, and
so maybe that's another thing. But I don't know. To me,
I think Cody being a heel is the next big
thing you can do to really put butts in seats.
But then again, it's like with WWE, I mean, triple
H can take risks, but it's also a thing of

(01:11:37):
like do we really want to turn you know, turn
one of our top you know babyface draws eel and
if we do, we need to have a good idea
for it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Like, so here's my length thing Because I'm always thinking
about the I'm always thinking about like not just the
on court, but I'm also thinking about the off court
and the you know, the money maker, the money making

(01:12:06):
of WWE. So if Code turns hell, he's one of
the big top merch sellers. Right, Jay is frustrated right now.
I'm not saying he's turning Hill, but I'm saying he's
having a frustrated character right now, and in potential ww
may want to, you know, look into that of him

(01:12:26):
maybe turning him hell? Right, who is going to be
the top drawing baby face? As far as money, as
far as merch, Seena's gone punk, He's Robby's here, baby Face.
It's not gonna affect his merch at all. Like who

(01:12:47):
you think will be that guy? Or Gal? Could be
Gal too.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
That's a good question. Jay turning Babyface, I'm not I'm
not sold on because I'm not babyface. Heel. I'm sorry,
it looks like it's gonna happen, but I'm just I'm
not buying it. I'm not buying Jay as a tough guy.
I'm not buying I mean, when he was, when he
was the buy you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
You don't buy anything that Jay does.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
So well, at this point, I'm not buying it because
like when he was the right hand man of Roman reigns,
that's when I was buying it because he was a
lot more reserved and less over the top. Now that
he's the yeat man, you know, or or as I
call him, Poochie the talking dog, like, it just seems
very manufactured. And it's Poochy the Simpsons, you remember.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
I haven't watched in years.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
It was an old episode. It was what is it?
Homer made a new character for Itchy and Scratchy and
it was Poochy the Talking Dog, and it ended up
being fucking terrible. And they did the whole thing of
like Poochi died on the way back to his home planet.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
You explain it. I don't know. Sure it was funny.
I'm sure it's playing back in nineteen ninety one it was,
but I haven't I haven't seen him. I'm very sure
I've seen it before, but I just don't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
But uh, that's that's one of my useless pop culture effects. Yeah,
the whole j thing I'm just I'm not interested in. Yeah,
he gets a bit. It's one of those things of like, yeah,
he gets a big reaction and then what.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
What do you see where do you see jay Uso
in the next year or two?

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
I don't know, I really don't know. I don't know
how you can make the heel thing work because.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Necessarily him having to be hell. But like, in the
next two years, do you see him like, you know,
either a game better as a baby face or or
he really plays into his heel character or is the
USO's again he's at w w E, he's in a
w like where where where do you see him in
two years? Because I to be honest, I don't know

(01:14:56):
either they'll still see me in w w E. But
I just think he's he's just gonna be a guy
on the roster kind of like still popular, right, still popular,
but obviously in two years of the popular it is
probably gonna wan off a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
And I mean I'm already hearing yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Well no, no, no, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
I mean it's good that way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
I mean not not not that something. Not some people
that come in my shopper, we didn't asking for something
jay us So and buying jenus a T shirt. So
the guy is making me fucking money. So I don't
see his popularity weighing off. I mean maybe maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Maybe to you know, I I think I think the
Office is realized that he's not that guy. I'll just
put it that way, because like the Jay Uso experiment
was just that an experiment and it didn't work. And
again he's still gonna sell me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
If the Office season is not that guy, then why
don't they just just take him off TV?

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Then I'm saying, not that guy is like, oh, he's
not a man of he's not CM Punk, he's not Cody,
he's not Roman Like, he's not He's still gonna be
on TV. I'm not saying he's gonna be fired, you
know tomorrow. I'm just saying, like, you know, I think
I think that to me, like put him back with Jimmy.

(01:16:17):
I think Kim and Jimmy are you know, they belong
to each they belong together. Jay by himself, it just
it's not working. Like when Jay was doing the Yeat stuff,
it was getting over and it was cute. But when
you put that big spotlight on him and it's like
we're gonna have him open middle and close the show

(01:16:38):
and have him cut promos and have him cut really
long emotional promos, That's what kind of exposed him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
If if it if it wasn't Jay, let's say, if
it was Jimmy, would would it be different? Would be
the same you think?

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
I mean personally, I think Jimmy cuts better promos. You know,
Jimmy Jimmy. I mean, they work the same, but I
think they.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Now, I was gonna say like that that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
The bells ring, right, and that's that's going back to
my point of like, yeah, he gets a big reaction,
and then what happens when the bell rings? You know, nothing,
but yeah, just going back to what I was saying.
You know, Jimmy I think is better on promos. But
that's really about it, you know. Uh, jay Us. Jay

(01:17:25):
Us is like that really popular actor that you're like, oh,
why isn't he a bigger star? And then you see
him being put in like the leads for big Hollywood
movies and you're like, oh, that's why he's better as
a supporting actor as opposed to a lead actor like
Gues's the best way to put it? Yeah, sure to me, no,

(01:17:48):
yeat AnyWho. Uh so let's go to overall and since
we're talking about jay uso, uh, the semifinals for the
John Cena Time is now tournament was jay us So
versus Late Night and l A. Knight one, which I
was I think a lot of people were kind of
betting the betting the farm on jay Uso, but U

(01:18:10):
l A. Knight one by doing not what we call
it not a schoolboy but like pin in the back
of his.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Arms, a fly a flash pin.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
There you go. So Ellie Knight one, which I'm happy
because I like Ellie Knight. I think L. A. Knight
is enough. Is a guy who I think I would
say use him more. But he's also I would say
maybe has like two or three good years left in him.
So it's like, I don't know if you're gonna use
the music.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
L A. L A Knight is jay us So, but
he can has personality.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Yep, and he can have He's a little bit better
in a ring too.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
He's a little bit better ring too. But it's you know,
I mean it's he ain't a needle mover, I think
he has He's not a needle mover.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Okay, okay, okay, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
He's not a No, he's not is that doesn't need
to move on the women's side of things, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
True, But happy for Eurday Night Uh, he's gonna move
on to the finals, which is going to be this Friday,
and h jay us So is mad like j uso,
uh pushed over the the prime cart and then the
back cut of again a weird cry yelling promo which
he does that an awful lot. He's like Moon oos

(01:19:34):
romans right oos and just walks away. So yeah, but
how do you feel about uh Elle Knight winning?

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
I don't care. Okay, he's losing. What who cares?

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
I mean, I haven't even said gunther one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Everyone watching this listening to this, no net gun one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
I mean, there could be somebody living under a rock
that it's never heard of wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
They should were the wrong podcast it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
There could be there's could there could be some some
kid in like the middle of nowhere that's never seen
w W programming and they're just now listening.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
To us and to listen to at all and all
things to get ww information from. They're listening to us.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Listen, listen, little Jimmy, little little Jimmy mc mcfluoristein that
lives out in the middle of uh, let's just say
Van Horn, Texas, because that's truly the middle of nowhere.
Welcome to the show. You're your imaginary so I'm just
imagining that you exist. So yeah, we will played Jeff.

(01:20:45):
Uh Yeah, let's move on to the to the next
tournament match. So gooon through versus Solo. The previous week,
uh was solo versus pent and Penta got hurt so
they had they had to call the match early, and
uh Solo one. I didn't really have any expectations of
this match other than you know, Gunther was gonna win.

(01:21:06):
But fuck, this match blew me away. This match was great.
This was This was the best I've ever seen solo.
Look Gunther. Gunther to me has made more people look good.
He has done an amazing job. I mean, he made
j look salagible in their match, and you know, he

(01:21:29):
had a good match with Carmelo, he had a good
match with with what's his name with the Javan. To me,
this was the best match because he was able to
pull a great match out of Solo and he made
Solo look like a main eventor.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
It'saul has been doing very well in this role.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Character wise, yes, like he's been funny, he's been he's
been fun to watch. But as far as the match goes,
this is the best I've ever seen Solo. Look because
you actually got up there, you got to see you
actually got to see Solo work like a killer, you know,
because he's he's the son of Rakishi, he's the nephew
of Umaga. I mean, he uses Umaga's move and I

(01:22:10):
don't think we've seen Solo look like this in a while,
if not ever. And he looked like he belonged in
the ring with Gunther, and I think a lot of
that as Gunther. I know Gunther gets a lot of hate,
which is weird because he's I don't fucking know why,
but I I mean, I mean, I can see what

(01:22:33):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
I don't hate you. I love Gunthro. I think he's fantastic.
He's one of the best in the world. But I
can see why people may not like what he does.
He's always involved in either a championship match or like
something very very important, or to win something. So in
this case, like this term is he's gonna win this
tournament right his matches. And I'm not saying this as

(01:22:59):
a bad thing. I'm not because I love him and
I think he's one He's one of the best in
the world, but a lot of his matches are the same,
and some people.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
May not like that he's he's not flashy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Yeah, like and that's and that's fine, that's fine. I mean,
some people like chocolate ice cream, you know what I mean.
But you know, you know, then there's other people who
are like vanilla. It's fine, there's nothing wrong with it.
Just like just like you know, whenever I watch like
a javane Enmas match or uh, you know, or Keiny
Omega match or you know, Will Ospray match, like I

(01:23:30):
don't like. I love both, like you know, you can
you can love both, you can hate both, right, But
but but at the same time, I can see why
people may not like going Through's you know, match style.
I can see why people may not like a will
Osprey match.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
You know, he can adapt to any style gooing Through.
He can work with any wrestler, whether they're bigger or smaller. Yeah,
you know. Again, he doesn't do anything pretty. He just
he's like an old school wrestler from like the fifties
and the sixties.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
I think I think a lot of people from the
bass As that I'm hearing is they they hate that
his offense is consistent the chops. Yeah, but also at
the same time as well, it's no different than the
Young Bucks. Uh well, okay, I won't say the Young Bucks.
The Young Bucks they do more than just super kicks.
It's like the Ussils, you know what I mean, Like

(01:24:23):
how their offenses is mostly superkick base or kickbase. Yeah,
I mean going through a lot of his office is
chop bass and russ spots.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
True, But no, I I adore Goonther. I I mean
I've said before and I stand by. It's like I
would rather this tournament be used to get somebody else
over that needs it. I don't think Gunther needs it.
I mean, this is only just gonna make him even better.
Like it's you know, he his whole thing is I
retired Goldberg and I retired John Cena. But again, he

(01:24:57):
doesn't Does he need it? No, he really doesn't. And
and some ways when you look at this tournament's kind
of beneath them because he's like, I don't need a
tournament to prove that I can wrestle John Cena. You
know I'm already you know, I'm already the best blah
blah blah. But I just want to throw that out there.
But yeah, Gooing Thro just he fucking crushed out there

(01:25:17):
like he always does in he made Solo look like
a fucking main eventor so, you know, hats hats off
to both of men, but obviously adds off to Solo,
And I actually like the ending where like Solo is
trying to do some heel ship and then going through
decides to do if it, decides to out heel his heelship,
I kick him in the nuts and winning the match.

(01:25:40):
So a great match, and that's really all I can say.
I'm like, that's really all I have for the for
that match. I don't know if you want to add
anything to it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
No, no, no, no, I think you covered all. But I
agree it was a it was a very very good match.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
As for the rest all, I mean, roll was actually good.
It was a it was a fun show. I mean
the crowd made it more enjoyable.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
I'll say this very good raw, but it wasn't epic.
It was it's good to be epic.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
It's like, I mean, it was a good show, but
wasn't that. I mean, man, it's like triple con triple
h man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
You're you're making prom you're making promises, and you're starting
to sound like the other guy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
I mean I was gonna say that he's triple con.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
I mean, I mean telling Con he's over here, you know,
saying that, Oh, it's gonna be the greatest time I ever. Oh,
not not even that, but like, oh, guy, you got
a big surprise. That's this thing, right, we got a
big surprise. Like but at the end of the day,
it just shows you that wrestling promoters are wrestling promoters.
That's it, you know what I mean. They'll they'll just
say anything that they can to to try to get

(01:26:57):
people to watch and when and when and it doesn't happen,
it's gonna be like, oh, well, you know what I mean.
And maybe was epic and maybe like maybe to him
it was epic. Maybe we are just having our expectations
or we have, you know, higher expectations than than what
Chiblech has. He may have lower expectations. Or maybe maybe

(01:27:19):
Raw to him was epic. Maybe raw was epic to
to to you know, the nine year old or the
ten year old, you know, I mean, I mean, maybe
it's not maybe it's not fully lying right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Right, Kids, you know, are different. Kids are gonna enjoy
things a thousand times better than to Oh my god, like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
I had a kid that came to my shop earlier
today and he was like, he was like, did you
say did you say, oh Raw, did you say Bron
Bredcot And like I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But
he was very excited about it. He was like nineteen
years old or whatever. Right, I mean, we're we're, you know,
mid thirties adults here. So you know, again, I'm not

(01:27:59):
laying off the hook, but I'm just saying that, you know,
maybe kids who were younger or watching the show way
different than what we.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Are, yeah, because I mean that's how we were when
we were kids. You know, we thought, you know, we
thought Buff Bagwell was like a big fucking star, and
looking back on it's like we should have known better.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I mean, i mean he was he was over though.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
He was he was over.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
He was over for and that two thousand you know,
two thousand and one, the guy was over, Yeah for
you know, I'm not saying it was not saying it
was made a dinner of say the guy was over.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Buff was the stuff. Cording to Scott, Yeah, moving on
to the rest of our speaking a bron Breaker, he
came out and cut a promo Paul Hayman was able
to get him a match against Punk for the world
title on the first roll of January after a bronze
pin Punk that Survivor series, and then on wanted to

(01:29:00):
full Steiner mode, calling punk O a soft ass bitch.
And yeah, it's just like again going to Steiner mode. Dude, Like,
that's what That's what I love to hear. And at
the end of the promo, he he slams the microphone
onto the mat, it bounces, and then Logan Paul catches it,
which I thought was fucking awesome, and even he's like, damn,

(01:29:22):
what the hell was that? So uh yeah, the first
we're all of January, it's gonna be seeing Punk versus
a bron Breaker for the world title. Punk was not
at raw for obvious reasons, like we just covered earlier.
But yeah, I mean we we kind of we kind
of divulged what we think might happen. But uh, how

(01:29:45):
do you feel about the promo on Monday?

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
That was a great promo, Man, I think it thinks
Bess promo. He's overdone ever.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Cut he loved it. Yeah, I mean when he goes
into full Starning mode, that's when it's at his best.
I mean, yeah, when you have Uncle Scotty who's known
for cutting these great, just shit talking heel promos like
that's all you need byah, move the restaur all. Uh yeah,

(01:30:15):
live Morgan come out, which I thought that was I
didn't like how that was presented because I was thinking, like,
because she's talking about how the Judgment Day is kind
of falling apart, but I was expecting her to turn
on rocks like I was expecting that. I was really
expecting her to turn on rocks and kick rocks out

(01:30:35):
of the Judgment Day.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
But I was expecting the Judgment Day to kick you
live out. Why why she's been gone?

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Okay, she's been like.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Ain't that the wrestling trump When when you're gone for
a while from a group and you come back and
you talk shit about out the group, aren't you the
one to get kicked? She was talking shit about the group.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Yeah, but she's kind of like the new leader or
I guess they're they're new rhea.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
H. But if okay, so if you were part of
a group, right and someone part of someone of that group,
right of higher stature, they are gone for a while, right,
they are gone for a while for whatever reason? Injured?
What are the case would be right, they end up
coming back and they and they start talking shit about

(01:31:32):
how they were not as successful when you were there.
Would you sit there and take that?

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Well, you saw, you saw Finn and JD were kind
of like giving those faces in the back. So I
I do think that that might that may be a
thing that happens down the line.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
But this current iteration of the Judge Day is not
gonna last live to me is the one that's gonna
be on the outs, probably along with I see them
bulging Ki out because Don is gonna be a huge
face in twenty twenty six like this, there's no offensive bus.
He's got some big face in twenty twenty sixty and
he's gonna be a huge baby face for a while

(01:32:13):
then then until you know, people start trying on him.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
So yeah, because that always happens. Yeah, this was that
was That was kind of a weird promo. The rest
of uh, let's see what we got. You had the
World Tag Team Championships. You had aj Styles and Dragon
Le or aj Lee versus the New Day Fun Match,

(01:32:36):
And I like the ending. I liked how was it
dragon Ly went for his double stomp and then it
countered into a J doing his uh his finisher. So
I thought that was fun. I like the pairing of
AJ and Dragonly. They're they're a fun tag team to watch,
and anything with a J I'm always gaming four and
anything with Dragonly I'm always gaming for. So like this. Uh.

(01:33:01):
Then the vision promo, we already talked about the sol
So CoA match. The main event, which was discussed earlier
in the night is you Hadria Ripley and Eos Sky
versus Charlotte Flair Alexa Bliss to determine who's gonna face
the Women's tag team champions next. And I like this match.

(01:33:23):
This is actually a very good match, and it seems
word for me to say actually with the talent that
was in it, But I wasn't feeling it going in
because I'm like, I don't know this should main event,
But it ended up, you know, surpassing my expectations. Again.
The crowd was hot at the crowd. Gotta give it
to the crowd. The crowd to me can always be
what makes her break a show, and in this case,

(01:33:46):
they made the match means something. And I like, I
liked Charlotte having more of a personality around Rhea because
for the longest time, Charlotte Charlotte was always very stoic
for the longest time, and her showays relied on being
too much like her dad. Now that she's with Alexa,
now that she's around Rhea, she has more of a

(01:34:06):
personality and she seems like she's being more of herself
as opposed to just being a character. So I like
how this is working. The match ends with the Kabooki
Warriors come out and causing the d Q, and then
Bailey and Lyra come out and make the same and
then Judgment Day comes out and lays waste and then

(01:34:27):
they do a spot where Roquel and Roxane grab the
titles and Roxanne wants to give the title to Live,
and then Live says no, like this is yours because
Live's gonna go after Stephanie more than likely. So raw
ends with Live holding up the hands of Roquel and Roxanne.
So again, good match. I guess the outcome made sense

(01:34:50):
because they really want this women's tag team thing to
actually mean something, which.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
It seems like they're focusing on the tag team.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
Division, which good I mean because the I mean I
want I want.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
I wonder why they're doing it though, well.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
I mean, the women's tag team division has kind of
been a joke, and I kinda.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
I mean, I wonder, I mean, I mean, I wonder
why they're doing it all of a sudden, though.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
I don't know. I mean, your your guess is as
good as mine. But you know, good because.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
It's because AW has a women's stagtine division now, and
they have a women's sag ting titles. That's why they're
doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I can't argue with that.
I mean because yeah, it's a good thing. It's a
good thing because you know, rivalries are good. You know,
if you see what somebody else is doing next door,
then yeah, Clerk of Chaos is in the YouTube chat.
He's saying the division could use some building. It seems

(01:35:48):
pretty mads it is. Yeah, yeah, it was, and it
looks like it's picking up some steam. So good. Good
for the women's division. The women. I mean, we've been
saying it for a while. The women are really what's
making the shows interesting. You know, they're what they're what
make RAW interesting. You know, they make NXT interesting. And
again I don't watch it frequently, but there it seems

(01:36:10):
like they're what's making a w interesting. You know, I
heard a lot of people talking about the women's Blood
and Guts match, so and didn't watch it, but I
heard people liked it, so it's really all that matters. Well,
but that was WRAW. Uh we're over an hour and
a half. Uh, we can just kind of skip NXT

(01:36:32):
and just go into go into deadline and then call
to night. So NXT deadline will be this Saturday here
in San Antonio, Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
Are you going?

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
I am not because I saw the ticket prices and
I said fuck that. Uh So it's gonna be at
the Boeing Center, which is a fairly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
Nice I might be hanging around the venue, so.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
Are you gonna are you? Are you the mass Perse?
Are you the mass Svichelante?

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
No? I might just hang out around the venue.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Okay, and then you're gonna come out and master yourself.
It was me all along, Okay, I was just trying
to be funny. But yeah, NX definitely it's this Saturday,
and it's gonna Me and Jeff are gonna be covering
it like we usually do with the NXC shows. Uh
So look out for that. I'll be sure to post

(01:37:27):
a link pretty soon. But so far there's five matches
and it looks like that's gonna be the way it is,
so I'm gonna go down. Uh. This was announced on Tuesday.
It's gonna be Ethan Page defending the North American Championship
against mister Iguana.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Ethan Page is gonna win. Dude, Why is Messi on
the fucking show because he gets a reaction?

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Yeah, all that all that fucking buzz, Oh, mister and
and and I was one of the people. I was like,
I like the gimmick, but let's not like act like
this guy is gonna be like the fucking next coming
fucking Stone Coast Steve Boston over here, like like where
we was on that miss Iguana fucking pir paraphernalia and

(01:38:20):
hoopla hoopla.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
I mean they just.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
I'm just saying that, you know, just fans being fans.
But yeah, I got I got.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
I mean they just had the mixed sag batch with
Lola and Chelsea's I'm guessing that's why. But yeah, Ethan's winning.
Uh singles match Tatum Paxley versus Ezzy Dame.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Uh I got, Actually I got Izzy Dang.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
I don't go with the easy because I love Tatum,
but they do love beating her a lot, which is weird.
But I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
He made her champion for no fucking reason.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Exactly Women's and Survivor Challenge for the an NXC Women's
Championship match at New Year's Evil, John Cena allegedly chose
these people so Ruka, Lola Ice Coline.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
She read all the names for the first time and
barely found out who these women.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Are exactly like sol Ruka, Lola Ice, Carlnnie, Jordan, Jordan Grace,
and Kendall Gray. I imagine that's how you said it.
I like Kendall Gray. I think she's really good, but
she's not winning.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
She reminds me of she reminds me of not not exactly. No,
I'm not saying that she's exactly like this wrestler or
like Buly Caliber, but she reminds me of a Brian
Damson a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
H how so.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
H She she has very she's very quick, she has
great transitions, right, And I'm not saying that she's like
I'm not saying Brian Danielson as far as like in ring,
as far as like the technical grapple, but I'm just
talking about like the speed and even sometimes of the

(01:40:16):
high risk that she can do as well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
She's she has a future, She's she's pretty talented. Uh,
but I am I'm gonna go with let me go
with Soul. I think Soul is gonna win it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
I I don't know. I mean, I like Lola, but
I mean, been there, done that with that, I'm gonna
go during Grace.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Okay, all right, seems like a safe pet Man's irons
are ever challenged for the NXC Championship match at New
Year's Evil, which John Cena apparently chose these uh Javon Evans,
Leon Slater, Joe Hendry, Dion Lennox, which I don't why.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
That's a terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Yeah, I I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
The I mean, I you know what. I hope he
does well and maybe he'll shut me up, But like.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
I why, I mean, I get it. The whole point
of NXT is to build new stars. But it's like,
why not give Trick another chance? And I know Trick
is going to the main roster pretty soon, but it's like,
why not just let him have this match? But yeah,
and then Milesbourne Javon I think is gonna win.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Joe Vaughn, Yes, but I wouldn't be shocked if Joe
Hendry wins.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Oh yeah, because he just he's now fishy with w
W E.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
Yeah, he just signed and they probably want to, you know,
get their money's worth. I mean, I don't know if
I want to see Joe Henry versus Stars match, but you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
Know, no. And then speaking of Ricky Saints uh NXT
Championship match, which will more than like, no, this isn't
gonna be the main event. This is gonna open the show.
They announced it on Tuesday, Ricky Saints versus Oba Femi,
which if it's opening the show, you can kind of
tell where this is gonna go. Uh be a Ricky
Sants is winning and Opah is gonna go the main roster.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
We see a return in this match, return of who
the darning next? Say what?

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
Oh yeah, where the hell is? Because they did the
Sopranos thing where like somebody was over his shoulder and
then the camera cut to black, so like, where the
hell's he been?

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Who the fuck knows?

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
I know allegedly I read allegedly he had something to
do with injuries, so he's just let him have time off,
but I don't know that'd be fun. But that's deadline.
Like I mentioned, me and Jeff are gonna be covering
it this Saturday, so look out for that. It'll be
live here as well as live on the YouTube channel.

(01:43:04):
Which that's the end of the show. People. We did
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And again, thank you to Justin for making these shows
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You're awesome, Justin. Thank you, thank you. You're welcome. Ban.
Like I mentioned, from here on out, these shows will

(01:43:26):
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Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
You call them, oh, well, yeah, it is a little argie.
When you first said that, we first said that, well
why you call them a little for it? But it
is that's yeah, it's actually his name.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
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I just say RJ, but just saying a little arge,
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(01:44:17):
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