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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Sounds like a great Christmas present for you. Stop and
see Matt and the gang and grap of Okamis. They're
making friends. I want to welcome in Chase Michaelson from
Circa in downtown Las Vegas. Does a great job in
the risk room. They're concentrating on college sports, college football
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in particular. But want to talk for just a minute
about what we just saw last week with Major League
Baseball ending Saturday night with as memorable a World Series
as I can recall, Chase, and I've seen every one
of them since nineteen fifty nine. It was first one
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that I remember watching Dodgers in the White Sox, so
this one ranks right up there, and probably a hair
ahead of seventy five with the Reds and the Red
Sox and ninety one with the Twins and the Braves.
The number of pitches in this series, but of course
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you had eleven extra innings, You had the eighteen INNY game,
and then you had eleven inning too game to end it.
What are you going to remember about this World Series?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Your Shinobu Yaalamoto.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
And Sho Tani, I mean the doctor Japanese Stars, but
particularly Yoshnebolami Yalamoto.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
High school.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
When Madison Bumgarner had his throwers through twenty fourteen, and
at the time, I really thought that was sort of
the pinnacle for what a pitcher could do in the
World Series.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
In the modern era.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
You don't have guys throwing complete games anymore, very often,
just in general, teams don't start their starters on three
days rest in the postseason anymore. You know, when I
was very very young when Raddy Johnson and Kurt Schilling
did it, I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Remember it really right.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Had Bumgarner pitched in game one, Game five, and then
on two days rest at Game seven, I think it
was five endings, or it might have been fourn to
her something like that. But he came in in a
one run game, and you know that game was in
Kansas City and people said, oh this it felt over
in the moment, I remember thinking like, oh, the badman's coming.
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What Yallamoto did, I honestly think surpasses that. You know,
I can't speak to what Mickey Lulich did and what
Bob Gibson did, and you know Walter Johnson and these guys.
I mean you remember the Big Train of course Jack.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, I was there when he learned to throw.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But more since I've been watching baseball what you Yamamoto did.
And frankly, the only thing that I wish had happened
that didn't happen was I wish Freddie Freeman's walk off
home run in Game three had come won any later,
because if Yamamoto had come into Game three and gotten
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the win there, he would have had four wins in
a seven game series.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And I know that that.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Will never be surpassed, like Tony Dorsett's run.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Right, well, remember when the World Series or you don't
remember this, but I'm sure you've you've heard about it
and read about it. World Shaws used to be best
of nine long, long, long time ago. Yeah, and pitchers
pitched all the time. They're more like softball pitchers now
in terms of how often they threw when they had
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the best of nine. Did anyone ever win four times?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I don't know, but I don't they was the best
of nine for that long, right, I think it was
a of relatively anyways, what your motive did already, what
he had done in game two, in game six was
already you know, was going to be a known thing
that people talked about and remembered if the Dodgers came
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back and one right, especially with the part where he
was he was.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Warming up the game free, but to.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Come in on zero days rest, and even Randy Johnson
did it and he pitched like one any young Moto
pitched three innings and the Dodgers didn't have anybody warming
up right right until the end. They know, when when
you got in a little trouble, uh in the eleventh,
you know, I think Kershaw started warming up, but like it,
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it felt like it was his game, you know, it
really just amazing and obviously, you know, some things had
to go right, and I think Isaiah kind of pilet
but maybe you could have taken a bigger lead about
the ninth ending and maybe would have been able to
score on don bar.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Smaller lead, is that is it a possible to the base?
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Yeah, But anyway slice it, what Yamamoto did is will
will live forever in my mind, you know, because it's
I don't think in the modern era it really can
be surpassed. There's no The only scenario would be a
situation where somebody was pitching, you know, in late extra endings,
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similar to what was you know, going to happen in
Game three.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's the only way I could see it happening in
modern baseball. So I don't know what the rest of
y'all Moti's serio is gonna look like. I mean, he's
obviously kind of a smaller guy, so you worry about,
you know, durability long term.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
But two years in major.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Leagues, two World Series championships, two dominant World Series performances.
You know, it was a short, shorter series because the
Yankees didn't have their ish together last year, but what
y'all Motive did in Game two of that series was
really impressive. He is I think, you know, it's it's
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a situation that where you have to look at him
as sort of the modern day bumgarn. Like next year
when the when the Dodgers go to the playoffs, which
I assume they will, I don't really, I won't care
what his regular season will look looks like, you know,
as long as he's healthy in October. If I'm the
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other team, I'm afraid. You know, when young Moto comes
out on the mount of October, there's the heart rate
never seems to rise at all, And so that's yeah,
I mean that that's I don't really I kind of
run out of things to say. I mean, that's just
as good as a guess.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Why is Japan a Dodgers farm club?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Well, I mean the ocean helps, you know. I mean
that the most of the Japanese stars have come to
teams on the West Coast for them. I mean, there
are obviously guys that went to New York or Boston,
but the majority.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Want to be on the West.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Coast because it's significantly closer to home, you know. I mean,
obviously I grew up in Seattle with one of the
best Japanese players of all.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Time in Eachiro.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
But yeah, there's no doubt that there's gravity when you
when the best player to ever play the game happens
to be a Japanese player who has come to the
Dodgers and they have the resources.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
To acquire more. Yeah, I think if I was.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
A you know, I know there's a couple guys that
are are considered being posted by their their clubs and
MPB this offseason, and if I were one of those guys,
I'd be looking to play a Dodger blue.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
No.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I mean, you know, people don't like it when it
happens in pro sports, but uh, you know, why did
why do an endless succession of receivers go.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
To Ohio State?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You know, because because that's where the best receivers go.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah. The fact that the Dodgers have the wherewithal
or the ability to structure contracts that others can't seem
to master. That those three players, Roki Sasaki, Yashinobu Yamamoto,
and joey Otani combined one point three billion with a
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B dollars in contracts for those three players. Any team
in baseball can match that. Could the Mets do that?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Now?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I don't think I think that that. Obviously it's a
smaller number of teams that could match what the Dodgers
are doing. But you know, you and I were on.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Opposite side of the thing. In the World Series.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I was rooting for the Dodgers. And the reason that
I root for the Dodgers is because I like the
idea that the team that spends the highest percentage of
their revenue on players win. To me, that demonstrates a
commitment to winning that every owner is capable of.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Now, they may not be capable.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
On the same scale as the Dodgers, that is true,
but like we see this differently. I think you view
teams like the Dodgers and the Yankees and the Mets as.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
A threat to baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I view teams like the Pirates and the Marlins as
a threat to baseball. I don't like the idea that
some rich guy, because he's three percent less rich than
the other guy, says, I got to hold onto my
money and when can we trade Paul Skiings. I can't
wait to trade Paul Skiings because I don't want to
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pay him six hundred million that I see that more
than what the Dodgers do.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I see that. I understand that some guys are in it.
Some owners I should say, are in it to maximize revenue,
others are in it to win championships. I understand exactly
what you're saying, but I still prefer the National Football
League model with the hard cap. And I don't think
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that the soft cap in baseball, the second apron in
the NBA, or whatever the hell you want to call
it in college football, where the rich get richer is
a recipe for success. And I'll just refer to the
National Football League where everyone spends the same and the
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idea is to have everyone in contention with two weeks
to go. To me, that is Nirvana. Want to talk
to you for just a minute about when you thought
the Dodgers were going to win this series. And maybe
you thought all along, maybe you thought even after Toronto
came home with a three to two lead. But was
there a point Saturday when it fell behind three nothing
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on that home run by Boba Schett, you said Dodgers
are going to win.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
This No, not until migil I set the home run
on the top of the night not really tied it.
Yeah yeah, I uh.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
I.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Wasn't even sure then because Blue Jay has had an
extra at bat and they certainly had chances They had
lots of chances, as we alluded to, but sometimes chase,
you just get a feeling like, Okay, that's it's meant
to be. And when Dave Roberts made that defensive move
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and pulled Tommy Edmond and put Andy pa Has in
center field and then he steamrolls key K Hernandez to
make that catch, I said, Dodgers are going to win this.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
You know what's funny about that, player, Jack is I
don't even think it's really that crazy of a play.
If KEYK just stays out of the way, yeah yeah,
but yeah, if key K stays out of the way,
you say, man, Ernie almost got that one and Paul
has chased it down and you know whatever. But because
K was right there and they couldn't hear each other
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because of how loud the crowd was in anticipation of
their Joe Harder moment, you know that, I think is
what made it so strange. And so, you know, whatever
you want to call it memorable, I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I think.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
You know, there was a Paul O'Neill ran down a
ball and right center to close out a World Series
one time, and it was hit well, and you know,
things like that like, there are times that that happened
and nobody thinks about it, but because t K was there,
it just it became so so much stranger, and like
you said, it felt like meant to be. The back
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to back defensive plays that were made for the Dodgers
by Rojas and by Pahead after Yah Moto had loaded
the bases.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
There at the pot of the nine one would the
reaction have been. I'm glad that a classic World series
like this isn't decided on something like this, but I'm
curious in terms of history and the reaction in Casinos
if the play at the plate where Will Smith had
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his foot on the plate and then he didn't have
his foot on the plate and then he did again,
if that had been one second later and they had
a replay overturn to decide the World Series, how would
that have been received.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
You know what's funny is I saw a I don't
remember what where it came up, and maybe I think
it's like the montage of Michigan State football band complaining
about how Michigan State football isn't what it used to be,
and they showed the play against Wisconsin the Hail Mary right,
whereas oh, it's an over the line.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
It was initially ruled one way and then it was overturned.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
But people just watch the play now they don't see,
they don't know. Nobody shows the replay over tsle.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
So in the moment, of course, it would have been
very strange in baseball to have an umpire announce that
the World Series is over. Yeah, but it would have
just from then on it would have just been you
watch the play, you see you know, the kind of
bluff of get there, and that's how it would have been.
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Of course, Yes, it did occur to me in the moment,
like man that is that would have been an odd
way for it to end. I think we were joking
about a pitchclock violation if it had been a three
to two count. Oh and you say, oh, pitchclock violation,
World Series is over. That that came up in the
risk room that night.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
We were having some fun with it. The risk room
definitely needed the.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Blue Jays, so we're trying to find some different, you know,
different ways that it could have gone down.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
How long would Yashinobu Yamamoto I've had to hold onto
that ball to make that a pitch clock violation? With
the three to two count.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's a good question. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Ohtani got like five minutes, so yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
A good question. I think they would have applied Umpire's discrete.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah yeah, oh yeah. Maybe the pitch clock indicators broken.
I get it. Let's talk for a minute about the
first college football playoff pairings unveil, and again, this is
a long way from binding, this will change. But what
did you make of the top of the bracket and
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Ohio State Indiana where unbeaten YU was slotted, and then
the big ten teams grouped together much later in the twenty.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Five I think that Ohio State and Indiana have been
the two most impressive teams so far, so I don't
have I don't have.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
An issue with that at all.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
They have been the right order.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I know you're going to say that you think Indiana
should be number one, and that's fine. I understand that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Contention.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I don't I don't get a match at all.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
And I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Think I mean, didn't Ryan Day they asked them about,
you know, the first rankings come out tonight. He said,
oh whatever, Yeah, I still think Ohio Day's probably be
the most impressive team hasn't really been challenged the season.
You know, I guess Texas sort.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Of kind of miss.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And that's before they trusted Julian saying the way they
do now say it's the front runner for the HILAND
at this point in time. But I think those are
the two best. You know, I understand why they have
to put text A and M three because they're undefeated
and they won at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And that's fine. I don't have any issues with it.
I think there are.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Better teams in Texas A and m I think they're
other teams in their conference that are power rated higher
than them and would be favored in Atlanta if it
comes to that, which is fine, I don't you know,
I don't think that's the playff Committee job. You know,
some of these these these Big Ten teams, they're down there,
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uh in the the late whatever teams, they're going to
have their opportunities. So like I think people, I imagine
people in the Big Ten country are frustrated that you
have teams Franks below a team like Miami that's not
certainly not playing their best ball right now. But the
reality is is that, uh, these teams will have opportunities
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to improve their resumes. Right, It's pretty simple for Michigan
to get.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
In right.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Beat Ohio State if they if they if Michigan finishes
tending two with a win over Ohio State, they will
be in Iowa.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Same thing. You got Oregon coming to town this week.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
If you win that game, guess what you're not whatever
they are twenty next week.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
So, I just think people in general freak out about
the initial rankings every year, and every year it turns
out they didn't matter. If you win your games, it'll
work out. The last year you had Alabama fans crying
that they didn't get in after they lost to six
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and six Vanderbilt and six and six Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
If you win i either of those games, you're in.
So like, it's fine. I think any of.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
These teams that are ranked right now have a path
if they can get it, if they if they continue
to win games. There's enough opportunities left in the schedule, obviously,
particularly in the Big Ten in the SEC, who are
going to get the majority of the rankings or the
majority of the spots, they would say, as they should,
that everything will work out for these teams if they
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win games.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
If they lose game then.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I don't really know what we were complaining about in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah, I'm never sure because I think it changes
from year to year and you have a different committee,
You're going to have different parameters from a coach. If
you're trying to make the playoff, if that's key to
you keeping your job, then maybe you would like to know.
You'd like to have it all stated in advance what
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the metrics are. But I never know whether committee members
are looking at how good a team is right at
that point, or what they have done, what they're based
on their body of work, and what a loss in
the opening game, for example Texas or a win over Texas,
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if Texas isn't what it was purported to be, how
much that is factored in? And you know, do you
just say, hey, I think this team is better than
this team. I think that's part of the reason that
they have supposed football people. Mark Antonio is one of
them on the committee this year. Or is it something
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where you just look at the record and you say, okay, well,
this team beat this team by a lot, this one
did by a little, this one has the most impressive win.
It was on the road. I don't know what the
standard is.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Well, we've talked about it before. I'm leary of the
like because everybody says, we're just trying to pick the best,
you know, the best four teams. So now it's the
best twelve teams, given.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
The brand brus may have.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I don't think that should be the standard, because that's
not the standard in any other sport. The NFL doesn't say, well,
you know, this team is really playing well. They have
some injuries early in the year, but you can see
they're one of the best eight teams in the conference.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
They should get in. Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
You know, And I realized college is different because of
the size of the scale you're looking at. But I
think it should go by resume. I don't think it
should go by power ratings. As much as I love
power ratings and as much as I you know, spend
my day worrying about hypothetical matchup, but that's not I
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think you should be rewarded. I don't think the best
team should always win. I think, you know, we don't
need to get into this again, the whole thing with
the expansion, but I don't like it that in college
football teams now get essentially unlimited mulligans as long as
they're a really talented team.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Right, I don't.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I think it should mean what you do on the field,
not not how talented you are, what your NFL prospects
look like.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I mean, that's that's a different argument. Who's the most
talented team. I can tell you the most talented team is.
But if they don't, like I'll have to say more
talentand than the end. But if Indiana beats them, should
Alio State still be number one? Because like, look, they
got dear my Spans to killed down.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
It's like, that's.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
The argument I used to get from Drew Sharp all
the time about the Heisman Trophy, So, well, you know
this guy's some better players, he's going to be drafted
higher in the NFL draft. I said, that means absolutely
nothing for this And I think that what you're saying
college basketball is moving in the Michaelson direction because they
used to have this last ten component, right what you
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did in your last ten games. Now that is completely
out and every game is a data point and what
you do the first week of the season means the
same as what you did the last week of the
regular season. Now the conference tournaments are are not valued
the same way. But but you're right. I mean it's
it's all resume based, and you know, they just evaluate it.
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So maybe a comp or could do that best game
this week, Chase, is there one you're really looking forward
to seeing?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
I know, game days in Lubvick for b y U
Texas Tech, which is a fun game.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know, Texas Tech ten and a half point favorite.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
B YU from a power eaing perspective is not caught
up to you know, what their ranking is, the fact
that they're undefeated had step it close calls.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I like y U, you like the YU. We've talked
about this.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
By the way, Sorry about Vanderbilt Georgia Tech tough week
or your dream of like a Vanderbilt E y U
Georgia Tech Indiana Final four.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
But I'm excited about that game. I wish it was
at night.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I wish Fox would play their best games at night,
but that's neither you nor there, you know, so whatever,
I that's definitely a game that I'm that I'm interested in.
Uh And then Oregon Iowa is a really fun game
that's a big press forwar because Oregon won a road
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overtime game against the team, and you're going to forget
this team existed.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
They're called Penn State.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
They actually they were naturally ranked at one point very high.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah yeah, and they were national championship choice. I really
probably shouldn't admit this because no one's going to listen
to me ever again. But my national championship game prediction
at the beginning of the year, I don't know if
you remember it, but it was Penn State and Clemson.
So well, yeah, uh, kind of kind of rough. I
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should just forget I ever did that.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, well, I made plenty of bad predictions on your show, Jack,
so hopefully and Rob doesn't go take it through the archives.
But Oregon had all the shine on them, right, and
then they lost.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
At home to Indiana.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, in a game that Indian outplayed them, for sure,
and I'm not denying that, but it's not like we
were got out classed or anything. You know, they lost
the game to obviously a really, really good team. And
since then, have you heard anybody talk about Oregon in
the last three weeks.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
No, they're like invisible.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
So they need to win this game because if they don't,
then the resume kind of starts to look pretty thin.
For Oregon, it does if they lose this game, all
of a sudden, that road win at Penn State needs nothing.
In fact, you could say, really, what business did they
have going over time with that horrible Pen State team?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
With Washington too, And I don't know where that game is,
but that's not going to be easy, right right.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I believe that game is in Sea Dowattle, I think.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Okay, So yeah, then that being over the news game,
so Oregon needs to win this week. I Will obviously
needs to win this week. We talked about we both
like Iowa. We think it was very kind of sneaky,
underrated good. They have improved over the course of the season,
and they have an offense, which is not always a
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given in Iowa City, but they do have as always
a very good defense. So Oregon's six point favorites in
that game on the road. If i Would does win
that game, Oregon's in trouble and all of a sudden,
Iowa I think has a real chance to be that
third Big Ten team that really that won't have to
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I'll have to stay the Nana are our collision course
to play each other in the in the conference championship game.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
In all lifelihood. That's about if they lose to Michigan again.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
But somebody else is going to avoid having to play
one of those teams, and they're going to have a
chance to kind of sneak in, right, and if I
Will wins Beca, it's probably then.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Iowa was kicking a field goal to go ahead of
Indiana in the last two minutes of that game. Wound
up losing by five and kind of a bizarre ending.
But I don't know another team in the country that
could be real confident it would do that. Chase, thanks
so much for joining us. Really appreciate it, and we
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will talk with you soon.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
All right, Chucky.
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in particular. But want to talk for just a minute
about what we just saw last week with Major League
Baseball ending Saturday night with as memorable a World Series
as I can recall, Chase, and I've seen every one
of them since nineteen fifty nine. It was first one
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that I remember watching Dodgers in the White Sox, so
this one ranks right up there, and probably a hair
ahead of seventy five with the Reds and the Red
Sox and ninety one with the Twins and the Braves.
The number of pitches in this series, but of course
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you had eleven extra innings, You had the eighteen INNY game,
and then you had eleven inning too game to end it.
What are you going to remember about this World Series?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Your Shinobu Yaalamoto.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
And Sho Tani, I mean the doctor Japanese Stars, but
particularly Yoshnebolami Yalamoto.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
High school.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
When Madison Bumgarner had his throwers through twenty fourteen, and
at the time, I really thought that was sort of
the pinnacle for what a pitcher could do in the
World Series.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
In the modern era.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
You don't have guys throwing complete games anymore, very often,
just in general, teams don't start their starters on three
days rest in the postseason anymore. You know, when I
was very very young when Raddy Johnson and Kurt Schilling
did it, I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Remember it really right.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Had Bumgarner pitched in game one, Game five, and then
on two days rest at Game seven, I think it
was five endings, or it might have been fourn to
her something like that. But he came in in a
one run game, and you know that game was in
Kansas City and people said, oh this it felt over
in the moment, I remember thinking like, oh, the badman's coming.
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What Yallamoto did, I honestly think surpasses that. You know,
I can't speak to what Mickey Lulich did and what
Bob Gibson did, and you know Walter Johnson and these guys.
I mean you remember the Big Train of course Jack.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, I was there when he learned to throw.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But more since I've been watching baseball what you Yamamoto did.
And frankly, the only thing that I wish had happened
that didn't happen was I wish Freddie Freeman's walk off
home run in Game three had come won any later,
because if Yamamoto had come into Game three and gotten
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the win there, he would have had four wins in
a seven game series.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And I know that that.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Will never be surpassed, like Tony Dorsett's run.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Right, well, remember when the World Series or you don't
remember this, but I'm sure you've you've heard about it
and read about it. World Shaws used to be best
of nine long, long, long time ago. Yeah, and pitchers
pitched all the time. They're more like softball pitchers now
in terms of how often they threw when they had
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the best of nine. Did anyone ever win four times?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I don't know, but I don't they was the best
of nine for that long, right, I think it was
a of relatively anyways, what your motive did already, what
he had done in game two, in game six was
already you know, was going to be a known thing
that people talked about and remembered if the Dodgers came
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back and one right, especially with the part where he
was he was.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Warming up the game free, but to.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Come in on zero days rest, and even Randy Johnson
did it and he pitched like one any young Moto
pitched three innings and the Dodgers didn't have anybody warming
up right right until the end. They know, when when
you got in a little trouble, uh in the eleventh,
you know, I think Kershaw started warming up, but like it,
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it felt like it was his game, you know, it
really just amazing and obviously, you know, some things had
to go right, and I think Isaiah kind of pilet
but maybe you could have taken a bigger lead about
the ninth ending and maybe would have been able to
score on don bar.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Smaller lead, is that is it a possible to the base?
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Yeah, But anyway slice it, what Yamamoto did is will
will live forever in my mind, you know, because it's
I don't think in the modern era it really can
be surpassed. There's no The only scenario would be a
situation where somebody was pitching, you know, in late extra endings,
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similar to what was you know, going to happen in
Game three.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's the only way I could see it happening in
modern baseball. So I don't know what the rest of
y'all Moti's serio is gonna look like. I mean, he's
obviously kind of a smaller guy, so you worry about,
you know, durability long term.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
But two years in major.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Leagues, two World Series championships, two dominant World Series performances.
You know, it was a short, shorter series because the
Yankees didn't have their ish together last year, but what
y'all Motive did in Game two of that series was
really impressive. He is I think, you know, it's it's
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a situation that where you have to look at him
as sort of the modern day bumgarn. Like next year
when the when the Dodgers go to the playoffs, which
I assume they will, I don't really, I won't care
what his regular season will look looks like, you know,
as long as he's healthy in October. If I'm the
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other team, I'm afraid. You know, when young Moto comes
out on the mount of October, there's the heart rate
never seems to rise at all, And so that's yeah,
I mean that that's I don't really I kind of
run out of things to say. I mean, that's just
as good as a guess.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Why is Japan a Dodgers farm club?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Well, I mean the ocean helps, you know. I mean
that the most of the Japanese stars have come to
teams on the West Coast for them. I mean, there
are obviously guys that went to New York or Boston,
but the majority.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Want to be on the West.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Coast because it's significantly closer to home, you know. I mean,
obviously I grew up in Seattle with one of the
best Japanese players of all.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Time in Eachiro.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
But yeah, there's no doubt that there's gravity when you
when the best player to ever play the game happens
to be a Japanese player who has come to the
Dodgers and they have the resources.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
To acquire more. Yeah, I think if I was.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
A you know, I know there's a couple guys that
are are considered being posted by their their clubs and
MPB this offseason, and if I were one of those guys,
I'd be looking to play a Dodger blue.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
No.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I mean, you know, people don't like it when it
happens in pro sports, but uh, you know, why did
why do an endless succession of receivers go.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
To Ohio State?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You know, because because that's where the best receivers go.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah. The fact that the Dodgers have the wherewithal
or the ability to structure contracts that others can't seem
to master. That those three players, Roki Sasaki, Yashinobu Yamamoto,
and joey Otani combined one point three billion with a
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B dollars in contracts for those three players. Any team
in baseball can match that. Could the Mets do that?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Now?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I don't think I think that that. Obviously it's a
smaller number of teams that could match what the Dodgers
are doing. But you know, you and I were on.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Opposite side of the thing. In the World Series.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I was rooting for the Dodgers. And the reason that
I root for the Dodgers is because I like the
idea that the team that spends the highest percentage of
their revenue on players win. To me, that demonstrates a
commitment to winning that every owner is capable of.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Now, they may not be capable.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
On the same scale as the Dodgers, that is true,
but like we see this differently. I think you view
teams like the Dodgers and the Yankees and the Mets as.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
A threat to baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I view teams like the Pirates and the Marlins as
a threat to baseball. I don't like the idea that
some rich guy, because he's three percent less rich than
the other guy, says, I got to hold onto my
money and when can we trade Paul Skiings. I can't
wait to trade Paul Skiings because I don't want to
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pay him six hundred million that I see that more
than what the Dodgers do.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I see that. I understand that some guys are in it.
Some owners I should say, are in it to maximize revenue,
others are in it to win championships. I understand exactly
what you're saying, but I still prefer the National Football
League model with the hard cap. And I don't think
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that the soft cap in baseball, the second apron in
the NBA, or whatever the hell you want to call
it in college football, where the rich get richer is
a recipe for success. And I'll just refer to the
National Football League where everyone spends the same and the
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idea is to have everyone in contention with two weeks
to go. To me, that is Nirvana. Want to talk
to you for just a minute about when you thought
the Dodgers were going to win this series. And maybe
you thought all along, maybe you thought even after Toronto
came home with a three to two lead. But was
there a point Saturday when it fell behind three nothing
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on that home run by Boba Schett, you said Dodgers
are going to win.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
This No, not until migil I set the home run
on the top of the night not really tied it.
Yeah yeah, I uh.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
I.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Wasn't even sure then because Blue Jay has had an
extra at bat and they certainly had chances They had
lots of chances, as we alluded to, but sometimes chase,
you just get a feeling like, Okay, that's it's meant
to be. And when Dave Roberts made that defensive move
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and pulled Tommy Edmond and put Andy pa Has in
center field and then he steamrolls key K Hernandez to
make that catch, I said, Dodgers are going to win this.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
You know what's funny about that, player, Jack is I
don't even think it's really that crazy of a play.
If KEYK just stays out of the way, yeah yeah,
but yeah, if key K stays out of the way,
you say, man, Ernie almost got that one and Paul
has chased it down and you know whatever. But because
K was right there and they couldn't hear each other
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because of how loud the crowd was in anticipation of
their Joe Harder moment, you know that, I think is
what made it so strange. And so, you know, whatever
you want to call it memorable, I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I think.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
You know, there was a Paul O'Neill ran down a
ball and right center to close out a World Series
one time, and it was hit well, and you know,
things like that like, there are times that that happened
and nobody thinks about it, but because t K was there,
it just it became so so much stranger, and like
you said, it felt like meant to be. The back
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to back defensive plays that were made for the Dodgers
by Rojas and by Pahead after Yah Moto had loaded
the bases.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
There at the pot of the nine one would the
reaction have been. I'm glad that a classic World series
like this isn't decided on something like this, but I'm
curious in terms of history and the reaction in Casinos
if the play at the plate where Will Smith had
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his foot on the plate and then he didn't have
his foot on the plate and then he did again,
if that had been one second later and they had
a replay overturn to decide the World Series, how would
that have been received.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
You know what's funny is I saw a I don't
remember what where it came up, and maybe I think
it's like the montage of Michigan State football band complaining
about how Michigan State football isn't what it used to be,
and they showed the play against Wisconsin the Hail Mary right,
whereas oh, it's an over the line.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
It was initially ruled one way and then it was overturned.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
But people just watch the play now they don't see,
they don't know. Nobody shows the replay over tsle.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
So in the moment, of course, it would have been
very strange in baseball to have an umpire announce that
the World Series is over. Yeah, but it would have
just from then on it would have just been you
watch the play, you see you know, the kind of
bluff of get there, and that's how it would have been.
(15:15):
Of course, Yes, it did occur to me in the moment,
like man that is that would have been an odd
way for it to end. I think we were joking
about a pitchclock violation if it had been a three
to two count. Oh and you say, oh, pitchclock violation,
World Series is over. That that came up in the
risk room that night.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
We were having some fun with it. The risk room
definitely needed the.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Blue Jays, so we're trying to find some different, you know,
different ways that it could have gone down.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
How long would Yashinobu Yamamoto I've had to hold onto
that ball to make that a pitch clock violation? With
the three to two count.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's a good question. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Ohtani got like five minutes, so yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
A good question. I think they would have applied Umpire's discrete.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah yeah, oh yeah. Maybe the pitch clock indicators broken.
I get it. Let's talk for a minute about the
first college football playoff pairings unveil, and again, this is
a long way from binding, this will change. But what
did you make of the top of the bracket and
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Ohio State Indiana where unbeaten YU was slotted, and then
the big ten teams grouped together much later in the twenty.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Five I think that Ohio State and Indiana have been
the two most impressive teams so far, so I don't
have I don't have.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
An issue with that at all.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
They have been the right order.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I know you're going to say that you think Indiana
should be number one, and that's fine. I understand that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Contention.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I don't I don't get a match at all.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
And I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Think I mean, didn't Ryan Day they asked them about,
you know, the first rankings come out tonight. He said,
oh whatever, Yeah, I still think Ohio Day's probably be
the most impressive team hasn't really been challenged the season.
You know, I guess Texas sort.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Of kind of miss.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And that's before they trusted Julian saying the way they
do now say it's the front runner for the HILAND
at this point in time. But I think those are
the two best. You know, I understand why they have
to put text A and M three because they're undefeated
and they won at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And that's fine. I don't have any issues with it.
I think there are.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Better teams in Texas A and m I think they're
other teams in their conference that are power rated higher
than them and would be favored in Atlanta if it
comes to that, which is fine, I don't you know,
I don't think that's the playff Committee job. You know,
some of these these these Big Ten teams, they're down there,
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uh in the the late whatever teams, they're going to
have their opportunities. So like I think people, I imagine
people in the Big Ten country are frustrated that you
have teams Franks below a team like Miami that's not
certainly not playing their best ball right now. But the
reality is is that, uh, these teams will have opportunities
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to improve their resumes. Right, It's pretty simple for Michigan
to get.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
In right.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Beat Ohio State if they if they if Michigan finishes
tending two with a win over Ohio State, they will
be in Iowa.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Same thing. You got Oregon coming to town this week.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
If you win that game, guess what you're not whatever
they are twenty next week.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
So, I just think people in general freak out about
the initial rankings every year, and every year it turns
out they didn't matter. If you win your games, it'll
work out. The last year you had Alabama fans crying
that they didn't get in after they lost to six
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and six Vanderbilt and six and six Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
If you win i either of those games, you're in.
So like, it's fine. I think any of.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
These teams that are ranked right now have a path
if they can get it, if they if they continue
to win games. There's enough opportunities left in the schedule, obviously,
particularly in the Big Ten in the SEC, who are
going to get the majority of the rankings or the
majority of the spots, they would say, as they should,
that everything will work out for these teams if they
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win games.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
If they lose game then.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I don't really know what we were complaining about in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah, I'm never sure because I think it changes
from year to year and you have a different committee,
You're going to have different parameters from a coach. If
you're trying to make the playoff, if that's key to
you keeping your job, then maybe you would like to know.
You'd like to have it all stated in advance what
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the metrics are. But I never know whether committee members
are looking at how good a team is right at
that point, or what they have done, what they're based
on their body of work, and what a loss in
the opening game, for example Texas or a win over Texas,
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if Texas isn't what it was purported to be, how
much that is factored in? And you know, do you
just say, hey, I think this team is better than
this team. I think that's part of the reason that
they have supposed football people. Mark Antonio is one of
them on the committee this year. Or is it something
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where you just look at the record and you say, okay, well,
this team beat this team by a lot, this one
did by a little, this one has the most impressive win.
It was on the road. I don't know what the
standard is.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Well, we've talked about it before. I'm leary of the
like because everybody says, we're just trying to pick the best,
you know, the best four teams. So now it's the
best twelve teams, given.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
The brand brus may have.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I don't think that should be the standard, because that's
not the standard in any other sport. The NFL doesn't say, well,
you know, this team is really playing well. They have
some injuries early in the year, but you can see
they're one of the best eight teams in the conference.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
They should get in. Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
You know, And I realized college is different because of
the size of the scale you're looking at. But I
think it should go by resume. I don't think it
should go by power ratings. As much as I love
power ratings and as much as I you know, spend
my day worrying about hypothetical matchup, but that's not I
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think you should be rewarded. I don't think the best
team should always win. I think, you know, we don't
need to get into this again, the whole thing with
the expansion, but I don't like it that in college
football teams now get essentially unlimited mulligans as long as
they're a really talented team.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Right, I don't.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I think it should mean what you do on the field,
not not how talented you are, what your NFL prospects
look like.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I mean, that's that's a different argument. Who's the most
talented team. I can tell you the most talented team is.
But if they don't, like I'll have to say more
talentand than the end. But if Indiana beats them, should
Alio State still be number one? Because like, look, they
got dear my Spans to killed down.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
It's like, that's.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
The argument I used to get from Drew Sharp all
the time about the Heisman Trophy, So, well, you know
this guy's some better players, he's going to be drafted
higher in the NFL draft. I said, that means absolutely
nothing for this And I think that what you're saying
college basketball is moving in the Michaelson direction because they
used to have this last ten component, right what you
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did in your last ten games. Now that is completely
out and every game is a data point and what
you do the first week of the season means the
same as what you did the last week of the
regular season. Now the conference tournaments are are not valued
the same way. But but you're right. I mean it's
it's all resume based, and you know, they just evaluate it.
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So maybe a comp or could do that best game
this week, Chase, is there one you're really looking forward
to seeing?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
I know, game days in Lubvick for b y U
Texas Tech, which is a fun game.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know, Texas Tech ten and a half point favorite.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
B YU from a power eaing perspective is not caught
up to you know, what their ranking is, the fact
that they're undefeated had step it close calls.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I like y U, you like the YU. We've talked
about this.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
By the way, Sorry about Vanderbilt Georgia Tech tough week
or your dream of like a Vanderbilt E y U
Georgia Tech Indiana Final four.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
But I'm excited about that game. I wish it was
at night.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I wish Fox would play their best games at night,
but that's neither you nor there, you know, so whatever,
I that's definitely a game that I'm that I'm interested in.
Uh And then Oregon Iowa is a really fun game
that's a big press forwar because Oregon won a road
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overtime game against the team, and you're going to forget
this team existed.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
They're called Penn State.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
They actually they were naturally ranked at one point very high.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah yeah, and they were national championship choice. I really
probably shouldn't admit this because no one's going to listen
to me ever again. But my national championship game prediction
at the beginning of the year, I don't know if
you remember it, but it was Penn State and Clemson.
So well, yeah, uh, kind of kind of rough. I
(25:42):
should just forget I ever did that.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, well, I made plenty of bad predictions on your show, Jack,
so hopefully and Rob doesn't go take it through the archives.
But Oregon had all the shine on them, right, and
then they lost.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
At home to Indiana.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, in a game that Indian outplayed them, for sure,
and I'm not denying that, but it's not like we
were got out classed or anything. You know, they lost
the game to obviously a really, really good team. And
since then, have you heard anybody talk about Oregon in
the last three weeks.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
No, they're like invisible.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
So they need to win this game because if they don't,
then the resume kind of starts to look pretty thin.
For Oregon, it does if they lose this game, all
of a sudden, that road win at Penn State needs nothing.
In fact, you could say, really, what business did they
have going over time with that horrible Pen State team?
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With Washington too, And I don't know where that game is,
but that's not going to be easy, right right.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I believe that game is in Sea Dowattle, I think.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Okay, So yeah, then that being over the news game,
so Oregon needs to win this week. I Will obviously
needs to win this week. We talked about we both
like Iowa. We think it was very kind of sneaky,
underrated good. They have improved over the course of the season,
and they have an offense, which is not always a
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given in Iowa City, but they do have as always
a very good defense. So Oregon's six point favorites in
that game on the road. If i Would does win
that game, Oregon's in trouble and all of a sudden,
Iowa I think has a real chance to be that
third Big Ten team that really that won't have to
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I'll have to stay the Nana are our collision course
to play each other in the in the conference championship game.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
In all lifelihood. That's about if they lose to Michigan again.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
But somebody else is going to avoid having to play
one of those teams, and they're going to have a
chance to kind of sneak in, right, and if I
Will wins Beca, it's probably then.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Iowa was kicking a field goal to go ahead of
Indiana in the last two minutes of that game. Wound
up losing by five and kind of a bizarre ending.
But I don't know another team in the country that
could be real confident it would do that. Chase, thanks
so much for joining us. Really appreciate it, and we
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