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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jack Keamblin here with my good friend Matt Sloan a
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It is a drive with Jack the Spotlight a radio network.
Jack Keppling here with my producer, Boston Rob getting ready
for homecoming weekend. That's the start of MSU Hockey's regular
season tonight against New Hampshire, seven o'clock puck drop at
mont Ice Arena. Spartans with designs on a national chairchampionship
(01:01):
want to welcome in our next guest. And he is
a two time national champion nineteen sixty five and nineteen
sixty six, a two time All America running back for
Michigan State and a pride of Cleveland, Ohio, the one
that got away from what he Hayes also one of
the great hurdlers in Big Ten history.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Want to welcome in our buddy, Clinton, Jones.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Clinton, how are you zag? I'm doing fantastic. How are
you doing, my friend?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I am doing great.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And when you think about this weekend for the Spartans
UCLA coming in, you are in southern California, so you
know a lot about what's going on out there. How
shocked were you that the zero to four Bruins would
handle Penn State the way they did last weekend?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Well, that's that's pretty amazing. I mean these at different times,
you know, I'm amazed at even the Big ten USC
and the Big Ten. That's amazing. You know, it's a
different than it was like in nineteen, you know, when
we played. But you know, I think it should be
a very interesting you're there, okay, yeah, I'm there, okay, okay, yeah,
(02:18):
so yeah, so it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. Actually,
you know, the game has changed so much, Jake, that
it's a different game than when we played. Probably we
were the running area. Now this is the passing and
receiving area. You know, this would be a great time
for Gene Washington.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Huh yeah, he would love that absolutely, And so with
Steve Jude and Jimmy Rays.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Let me throw the ball a little bit, uh too.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Your junior year nineteen sixty five, and people remember that.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Defense that held.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Ohio State to minus twenty two yards rushing, Michigan to
minus fifty one yards rushing, and then in that matchup
of top five teams at Notre Dame, held the Irish
to minus twelve yards rushing. But you also had two
time All Americans across the offense with you and Jean
(03:20):
and Bob Apisa. Just a tremendous all round football team
as reflected by the NFL draft heading into the sixty
seven Pro football season. But I want to go back
to I want to go back to those games against UCLA,
starting with one in East Lansing at the beginning of
(03:40):
the season. And it wasn't a blowout, but it was
a pretty convincing double digit Michigan State win. What do
you remember about that game and facing those UCLA bruins.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Well, be very honest, I don't remember a lot about
that game. Is said that, like, yeah, we had the
attitude that are not going to be defeated. Yeah, yeah,
that was our attitude. So like, but in terms of
like the specific things that happened on the field, I
don't remember a lot about that, so that actually that
(04:13):
was quite a long time ago. Well but fifty years yeah,
but you know, yeah, yes, and so but when I
when I look back on it, that they had really
kind of really an outstanding team with him No no
far No far Gerry Beeban, you know, they had they
(04:33):
were they were not they were not a mediocre team.
They were the top teams in the country. As a
matter of fact, most of the teams that we played
were top teams in the country. That's right, they were. Yeah,
none of the teams we played for those two years
were marginal teams.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's as against the Rose Bowl representative from the Pacific Coast,
and then also against Penn State, which at that point
wasn't independent. That's a pretty adventurous non conference schedule. And then,
as you say, the goal was always not to give
up a touchdown, and more often than not, Michigan State managed.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
But then you met UCLA again in the Rose Bowl
and that one did not go Michigan State's way. Spartans
were a heavy favorite, but UCLA jumped off to a
fourteen to nothing lead and Michigan's Sate with a furious finish,
didn't convert.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
On two point conversions.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But when you think about there was a punt fumble
at the five yard line that gave them a very
short field, and then they had a non kick that
was recovered, and those two scoring drives they didn't go
fifty yards.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah, it's know, that's the amazing thing about football. But
no matter how you try to analyze to think about it,
you never know how the game is going to go
because it depends on the life condition and the circumstances
in the moment, and they can change. I mean, this
Kansas City game was last week was sounds similar. They
(06:21):
gave up to they made you can't make errors to
the crucial moment.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Crazy the way that that happened with the drop kickoff,
the two guys trying to catch it in the wind
at the same time, and then the hunt and that
guy ran right by the wedge they're gonna shake, shook
his hand when he went by.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Next thing touchdown, So.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
You know, it's it can change in a hurry. That's
what to me, football is so much like life is.
So you know, that's the grid art in the stadium,
and then we have the grid hon of life. You know,
it's the same thing. But that's what makes football so intriguing.
You just never know, you know, but uh, you know,
(07:07):
it's it's it's a great it's a great sport. You
know it's uh, I think, bag, I must. I'll tell
you I was thinking about this, Jack. It's interest. You known.
The most wonderful thing in my whole career of football?
What's that that my team went into the Hall of
(07:28):
Fame last year?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
About that?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yes, to me, that's the biggest accomplishment because I could
have done any regardless of my talent. I could have
done anything without my teammates. It's a team sport, yes, yes, everything, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So you know that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Clinton, You're a lot of her, You're a renaissance man.
We always say that life is a team sport, and
if you're really going to excel, you need to have teamwork.
And everything you do you did on those teams, not
just on the field, but the significance of those teams
(08:09):
in terms of football integration. What that did at a
time when you played Notre Dame and that famous ten
ten times them, Yeah yeah, and only had one black
player on the field.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You know, you know, I mean, you know what we
did in the time that exists with the Vietnam War
going on, the Common Culture Revolution going on, in the
civil rights movement going on. Those things were going on,
and people, you know, it was like trying times. Not
too different from what's going on right now. Actually yes,
(08:49):
But the thing is we would unifying. That is the key.
We're unified as a country, even though we are diverse
in you know, you know, we had everything that I
just mentioned going on, but on campus, you know, we
had so many other people, administrators, professors, students, everybody was unified.
(09:11):
We're on the same page. That's kind of phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Mhm.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
When you think we're all on the same page. I mean,
the you know, remember when you had these student nannies
before the game and the barnfires and stuff like that.
Everybody was on this. You know, you know, it's a
life condition, do you know what I mean? My life condition?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, people were spirited very.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Different with divided States of America. Well you said, yeah, well,
I'm I'm standing by it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm out there on that one out.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Not only is Clinton Jones one of the greatest Michigan
State athletes of all time and two sport stand out,
multi time All American, multi time national champion, but how
many years in the medical profession as a chiropractor?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
How many? How many years?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Fifty fifty years, fifty amazing, it's a year, that's yeah,
fifty years.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And then that made me.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
The number two pick in the NFL draft, right behind
Bubba Smith, picked by the Minnesota Vikings. And there will
never plant never be another NFL draft where one school
has picks one, two, five, and eight as Michigan State did.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
That's that's a phenomenon. It really is, it really is,
you know, that's like to be a part of that Jack,
you know, am I impossible dreams like then, never they
mentioned it. I don't think anybody should did that have
like the way that they did, you know, And so
that's a that's a legacy that will go down in
(11:07):
history as one of the greatest eras of all time
in and college football, you know, and we need to
draw energy from them, you know, as much energy as
we can to bring about, you know, the changes needed today,
not only in sports, in the game. But it isn't nice,
(11:28):
it's it's nice as well.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
That's why I feel I lived about as rich a
life as anyone I know, not just from tremendous athletics success,
chance of playing a super Bowl, all of those things,
the national championship games, but then besides all the work
out in Southern California, in medicine, the philosophy, the meditation.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You're a constant learner.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You are growing every day and the time you have
spent at and that's where you're the one. You're the
first person who ever mentioned the name Kevin Guskowitz to me. Yes,
my friend, you knew him from North Carolina, And do
(12:17):
you remember what you told me about him and that
he would be the answer for Michigan State that was
a pretty good scouting report.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Well, I just felt that that he, uh, you know,
when I met him, I felt that he would be
the answer, that he was his own person, and that
he had a vision in an imagination and he had
you know, it's just you know, how you have a
good feeling when you meet somebody. Yeah, see this is
the person. That's how I felt, you know when I
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when I interacted with him, and you know, and that
was in November twenty twenty three. Wow, you know, and
the relationship has grown since then, you know, the meeting
his fam and friends and and and the assist in Candice,
you know, uh, you know, she made all that happen.
(13:08):
You know, nothing happened by accident in the whole universe.
Everything happened by a reason. Everything. There's no accident on things,
and so that means, you know, it's not it's not
I'm my beliefable, but I've come to understand and really
appreciate and understand and quantum physics validation. You know, there's
(13:32):
no accidents. Things happened for a reason. So uh you know, uh,
MSU is on this way regardless of what is appearing
right now to regaining a new era. It really is.
But you know, just like to care any disease, you know,
he has to go through as interfuge to get out
(13:54):
all the impurities. So you know, so that's what we're
kind of going through right now. But it's going to
change that the sun always rises no matter what.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Clinton Jones is so positive. Rob Sometimes when I'm starting
to question things, if I got a chance to talk
to Clint for fifteen minutes, I feel better for the
next fifteen hours, No question about it.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Jack, I love you, my brother. You always enjoy coming
on your program. It's just encouraging to me. And I
tell you I'm excited about our future. I really am,
you know, I really am. I don't care what's going
on in the country. As a matter of fact, from
a comedic standpoint, it's really kind of hilarious and sad
(14:46):
at the same time. But you know, but we're going
to get through this. You know, even this will change.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You mentioned unity and team spirit, and if you don't
have a team within and then you have division and
then you have destruction.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
But what tells you plant that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
We're going to come out of this, Uh, there will
be an end, a light at the end of the tunnel,
and that at some point will be working together again,
all of us.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
As because of all the suffering and disharming and everything's
going on. It never it's never one sided. It always changes.
Everything changes an evil aspect of life period, there's always changes.
And we're going through this sub to really for people
to awaken to the infinite possibilities that they have within us.
(15:44):
We really do. But you know, life is kind of paradox.
You know, like people say, I don't I don't believe
that we're ever going to get out of this mess.
Well it's a paradox. So they believe. They believe that.
So not that they don't have beliefs, but they have
beliefs in the negative president and positives. So we have
(16:05):
to change the way we look at things. You know,
our beliefs determine everything. You know, if we think we can't,
we think that we can't do something, but I'll come
baby to do it. But once we change our determination,
every cell and our body changes with that determination. Period.
That's how life function. So the people in America have
(16:28):
to wake up. People at Michigan State, they have to
wake up. They're not if Clinton Jones are looking for
the savior. Have to look within myself and be the
person that I want to see in my environment. Then
the environment will respond differently. That's how. That's how, that's
the reality of it. I can divine change, but I
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don't change.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Rob we talk.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
About the changes and over the sixty years since Clinton
was where a number twenty six and scoring touchdown? Here,
how about the thirty two to seven win over Ohio
State and Wood He is still trying to figure out
how come he didn't land Clint Jones. But when I
think about nineteen sixty six, Rob, just just run this
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one through your imagination. The idea that Duffy already would
have two black captains was incomprehensible. And here come George
Webster and Clint Jones out to the center of the field,
and people said, how can that be? How can this
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team be so good? And look at them and there's
no segregation. It's black and white together. It was such
a strange concept that a lot of people couldn't wrap
their minds around it.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
No, no, well, I in a connection human. He really
is one family. You know. We look at flowers, all
kinds of flowers, shapes and smells and scents and things,
you know, but they're flowers. You know, they have you know,
we create values. So you know, we have to work
(18:14):
on making this a world of works for everybody. And
that may seem like the pipe game, but it's not.
We have to go through all of this otherwise, you know,
we want we want to know the difference. Can you
imagine football game with no resistance? It wouldn't be a
football game.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No, no, no, it wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
It would It would look like some Alabama games I
think I saw not.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Too long ago. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, when you talk about flowers, I'm just glad that
your group, those who are still with us, got their flowers.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yes, I am too.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Being the first Michigan State team, not the team won
twenty eight straight games, not the Magic Johnson led national
champions that beat undefeated Indiana State Larry Bird, not any
of the other great Michigan State teams in all the sports.
The first group recognized for that from a team standpoint
(19:19):
was yours and appropriately so. And I think I saw
a little glint in the eyes of an irishman overhead.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yes, yes, Duffy. Duffy my mentor and next forget when
I first met him, And incidentally, John mczie and Hank
Bull recruited me, and it took me at nighttime I
went to see Duffy. If I saw him the next day,
(19:53):
I wouldn't have recognized him. But I just asked him,
that's just sir, I just want a chance. It's an opportunity.
Me and he said. He said, I'll give you that
opportunity and the rest is history. Jack.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Well, opportunity doesn't knock all the time, but when it does,
someone like Clint Jones as ally was there to blow
the door off the hinges. Clint, thanks so much for
joining us. I hope we get to see you soon.
I hope we can get you up here for another game,
or we'll get to see you back in LA.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Thank you Jack so much. Thank you Rob and knowing
your whole crew. I appreciate you.
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Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It is a drive with Jack the Spotlight a radio network.
Jack Keppling here with my producer, Boston Rob getting ready
for homecoming weekend. That's the start of MSU Hockey's regular
season tonight against New Hampshire, seven o'clock puck drop at
mont Ice Arena. Spartans with designs on a national chairchampionship
(01:01):
want to welcome in our next guest. And he is
a two time national champion nineteen sixty five and nineteen
sixty six, a two time All America running back for
Michigan State and a pride of Cleveland, Ohio, the one
that got away from what he Hayes also one of
the great hurdlers in Big Ten history.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Want to welcome in our buddy, Clinton, Jones.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Clinton, how are you zag? I'm doing fantastic. How are
you doing, my friend?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I am doing great.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And when you think about this weekend for the Spartans
UCLA coming in, you are in southern California, so you
know a lot about what's going on out there. How
shocked were you that the zero to four Bruins would
handle Penn State the way they did last weekend?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Well, that's that's pretty amazing. I mean these at different times,
you know, I'm amazed at even the Big ten USC
and the Big Ten. That's amazing. You know, it's a
different than it was like in nineteen, you know, when
we played. But you know, I think it should be
a very interesting you're there, okay, yeah, I'm there, okay, okay, yeah,
(02:18):
so yeah, so it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. Actually,
you know, the game has changed so much, Jake, that
it's a different game than when we played. Probably we
were the running area. Now this is the passing and
receiving area. You know, this would be a great time
for Gene Washington.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Huh yeah, he would love that absolutely, And so with
Steve Jude and Jimmy Rays.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Let me throw the ball a little bit, uh too.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Your junior year nineteen sixty five, and people remember that.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Defense that held.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Ohio State to minus twenty two yards rushing, Michigan to
minus fifty one yards rushing, and then in that matchup
of top five teams at Notre Dame, held the Irish
to minus twelve yards rushing. But you also had two
time All Americans across the offense with you and Jean
(03:20):
and Bob Apisa. Just a tremendous all round football team
as reflected by the NFL draft heading into the sixty
seven Pro football season. But I want to go back
to I want to go back to those games against UCLA,
starting with one in East Lansing at the beginning of
(03:40):
the season. And it wasn't a blowout, but it was
a pretty convincing double digit Michigan State win. What do
you remember about that game and facing those UCLA bruins.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Well, be very honest, I don't remember a lot about
that game. Is said that, like, yeah, we had the
attitude that are not going to be defeated. Yeah, yeah,
that was our attitude. So like, but in terms of
like the specific things that happened on the field, I
don't remember a lot about that, so that actually that
(04:13):
was quite a long time ago. Well but fifty years yeah,
but you know, yeah, yes, and so but when I
when I look back on it, that they had really
kind of really an outstanding team with him No no
far No far Gerry Beeban, you know, they had they
(04:33):
were they were not they were not a mediocre team.
They were the top teams in the country. As a
matter of fact, most of the teams that we played
were top teams in the country. That's right, they were. Yeah,
none of the teams we played for those two years
were marginal teams.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's as against the Rose Bowl representative from the Pacific Coast,
and then also against Penn State, which at that point
wasn't independent. That's a pretty adventurous non conference schedule. And then,
as you say, the goal was always not to give
up a touchdown, and more often than not, Michigan State managed.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
But then you met UCLA again in the Rose Bowl
and that one did not go Michigan State's way. Spartans
were a heavy favorite, but UCLA jumped off to a
fourteen to nothing lead and Michigan's Sate with a furious finish,
didn't convert.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
On two point conversions.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But when you think about there was a punt fumble
at the five yard line that gave them a very
short field, and then they had a non kick that
was recovered, and those two scoring drives they didn't go
fifty yards.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah, it's know, that's the amazing thing about football. But
no matter how you try to analyze to think about it,
you never know how the game is going to go
because it depends on the life condition and the circumstances
in the moment, and they can change. I mean, this
Kansas City game was last week was sounds similar. They
(06:21):
gave up to they made you can't make errors to
the crucial moment.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Crazy the way that that happened with the drop kickoff,
the two guys trying to catch it in the wind
at the same time, and then the hunt and that
guy ran right by the wedge they're gonna shake, shook
his hand when he went by.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Next thing touchdown, So.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
You know, it's it can change in a hurry. That's
what to me, football is so much like life is.
So you know, that's the grid art in the stadium,
and then we have the grid hon of life. You know,
it's the same thing. But that's what makes football so intriguing.
You just never know, you know, but uh, you know,
(07:07):
it's it's it's a great it's a great sport. You
know it's uh, I think, bag, I must. I'll tell
you I was thinking about this, Jack. It's interest. You known.
The most wonderful thing in my whole career of football?
What's that that my team went into the Hall of
(07:28):
Fame last year?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
About that?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yes, to me, that's the biggest accomplishment because I could
have done any regardless of my talent. I could have
done anything without my teammates. It's a team sport, yes, yes, everything, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So you know that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Clinton, You're a lot of her, You're a renaissance man.
We always say that life is a team sport, and
if you're really going to excel, you need to have teamwork.
And everything you do you did on those teams, not
just on the field, but the significance of those teams
(08:09):
in terms of football integration. What that did at a
time when you played Notre Dame and that famous ten
ten times them, Yeah yeah, and only had one black
player on the field.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You know, you know, I mean, you know what we
did in the time that exists with the Vietnam War
going on, the Common Culture Revolution going on, in the
civil rights movement going on. Those things were going on,
and people, you know, it was like trying times. Not
too different from what's going on right now. Actually yes,
(08:49):
But the thing is we would unifying. That is the key.
We're unified as a country, even though we are diverse
in you know, you know, we had everything that I
just mentioned going on, but on campus, you know, we
had so many other people, administrators, professors, students, everybody was unified.
(09:11):
We're on the same page. That's kind of phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Mhm.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
When you think we're all on the same page. I mean,
the you know, remember when you had these student nannies
before the game and the barnfires and stuff like that.
Everybody was on this. You know, you know, it's a
life condition, do you know what I mean? My life condition?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, people were spirited very.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Different with divided States of America. Well you said, yeah, well,
I'm I'm standing by it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm out there on that one out.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Not only is Clinton Jones one of the greatest Michigan
State athletes of all time and two sport stand out,
multi time All American, multi time national champion, but how
many years in the medical profession as a chiropractor?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
How many? How many years?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Fifty fifty years, fifty amazing, it's a year, that's yeah,
fifty years.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And then that made me.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
The number two pick in the NFL draft, right behind
Bubba Smith, picked by the Minnesota Vikings. And there will
never plant never be another NFL draft where one school
has picks one, two, five, and eight as Michigan State did.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
That's that's a phenomenon. It really is, it really is,
you know, that's like to be a part of that Jack,
you know, am I impossible dreams like then, never they
mentioned it. I don't think anybody should did that have
like the way that they did, you know, And so
that's a that's a legacy that will go down in
(11:07):
history as one of the greatest eras of all time
in and college football, you know, and we need to
draw energy from them, you know, as much energy as
we can to bring about, you know, the changes needed today,
not only in sports, in the game. But it isn't nice,
(11:28):
it's it's nice as well.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
That's why I feel I lived about as rich a
life as anyone I know, not just from tremendous athletics success,
chance of playing a super Bowl, all of those things,
the national championship games, but then besides all the work
out in Southern California, in medicine, the philosophy, the meditation.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You're a constant learner.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You are growing every day and the time you have
spent at and that's where you're the one. You're the
first person who ever mentioned the name Kevin Guskowitz to me. Yes,
my friend, you knew him from North Carolina, And do
(12:17):
you remember what you told me about him and that
he would be the answer for Michigan State that was
a pretty good scouting report.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Well, I just felt that that he, uh, you know,
when I met him, I felt that he would be
the answer, that he was his own person, and that
he had a vision in an imagination and he had
you know, it's just you know, how you have a
good feeling when you meet somebody. Yeah, see this is
the person. That's how I felt, you know when I
(12:48):
when I interacted with him, and you know, and that
was in November twenty twenty three. Wow, you know, and
the relationship has grown since then, you know, the meeting
his fam and friends and and and the assist in Candice,
you know, uh, you know, she made all that happen.
(13:08):
You know, nothing happened by accident in the whole universe.
Everything happened by a reason. Everything. There's no accident on things,
and so that means, you know, it's not it's not
I'm my beliefable, but I've come to understand and really
appreciate and understand and quantum physics validation. You know, there's
(13:32):
no accidents. Things happened for a reason. So uh you know, uh,
MSU is on this way regardless of what is appearing
right now to regaining a new era. It really is.
But you know, just like to care any disease, you know,
he has to go through as interfuge to get out
(13:54):
all the impurities. So you know, so that's what we're
kind of going through right now. But it's going to
change that the sun always rises no matter what.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Clinton Jones is so positive. Rob Sometimes when I'm starting
to question things, if I got a chance to talk
to Clint for fifteen minutes, I feel better for the
next fifteen hours, No question about it.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Jack, I love you, my brother. You always enjoy coming
on your program. It's just encouraging to me. And I
tell you I'm excited about our future. I really am,
you know, I really am. I don't care what's going
on in the country. As a matter of fact, from
a comedic standpoint, it's really kind of hilarious and sad
(14:46):
at the same time. But you know, but we're going
to get through this. You know, even this will change.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You mentioned unity and team spirit, and if you don't
have a team within and then you have division and
then you have destruction.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
But what tells you plant that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
We're going to come out of this, Uh, there will
be an end, a light at the end of the tunnel,
and that at some point will be working together again,
all of us.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
As because of all the suffering and disharming and everything's
going on. It never it's never one sided. It always changes.
Everything changes an evil aspect of life period, there's always changes.
And we're going through this sub to really for people
to awaken to the infinite possibilities that they have within us.
(15:44):
We really do. But you know, life is kind of paradox.
You know, like people say, I don't I don't believe
that we're ever going to get out of this mess.
Well it's a paradox. So they believe. They believe that.
So not that they don't have beliefs, but they have
beliefs in the negative president and positives. So we have
(16:05):
to change the way we look at things. You know,
our beliefs determine everything. You know, if we think we can't,
we think that we can't do something, but I'll come
baby to do it. But once we change our determination,
every cell and our body changes with that determination. Period.
That's how life function. So the people in America have
(16:28):
to wake up. People at Michigan State, they have to
wake up. They're not if Clinton Jones are looking for
the savior. Have to look within myself and be the
person that I want to see in my environment. Then
the environment will respond differently. That's how. That's how, that's
the reality of it. I can divine change, but I
(16:50):
don't change.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Rob we talk.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
About the changes and over the sixty years since Clinton
was where a number twenty six and scoring touchdown? Here,
how about the thirty two to seven win over Ohio
State and Wood He is still trying to figure out
how come he didn't land Clint Jones. But when I
think about nineteen sixty six, Rob, just just run this
(17:15):
one through your imagination. The idea that Duffy already would
have two black captains was incomprehensible. And here come George
Webster and Clint Jones out to the center of the field,
and people said, how can that be? How can this
(17:37):
team be so good? And look at them and there's
no segregation. It's black and white together. It was such
a strange concept that a lot of people couldn't wrap
their minds around it.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
No, no, well, I in a connection human. He really
is one family. You know. We look at flowers, all
kinds of flowers, shapes and smells and scents and things,
you know, but they're flowers. You know, they have you know,
we create values. So you know, we have to work
(18:14):
on making this a world of works for everybody. And
that may seem like the pipe game, but it's not.
We have to go through all of this otherwise, you know,
we want we want to know the difference. Can you
imagine football game with no resistance? It wouldn't be a
football game.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No, no, no, it wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
It would It would look like some Alabama games I
think I saw not.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Too long ago. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, when you talk about flowers, I'm just glad that
your group, those who are still with us, got their flowers.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yes, I am too.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Being the first Michigan State team, not the team won
twenty eight straight games, not the Magic Johnson led national
champions that beat undefeated Indiana State Larry Bird, not any
of the other great Michigan State teams in all the sports.
The first group recognized for that from a team standpoint
(19:19):
was yours and appropriately so. And I think I saw
a little glint in the eyes of an irishman overhead.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yes, yes, Duffy. Duffy my mentor and next forget when
I first met him, And incidentally, John mczie and Hank
Bull recruited me, and it took me at nighttime I
went to see Duffy. If I saw him the next day,
(19:53):
I wouldn't have recognized him. But I just asked him,
that's just sir, I just want a chance. It's an opportunity.
Me and he said. He said, I'll give you that
opportunity and the rest is history. Jack.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Well, opportunity doesn't knock all the time, but when it does,
someone like Clint Jones as ally was there to blow
the door off the hinges. Clint, thanks so much for
joining us. I hope we get to see you soon.
I hope we can get you up here for another game,
or we'll get to see you back in LA.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Thank you Jack so much. Thank you Rob and knowing
your whole crew. I appreciate you.
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