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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jack Kebling here with my good friend Matt Sloan. A
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Jack the Spotlight Radio Network. Jack Eblin here with my
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producer of Boston, Rob rob Our. Next guest guy who
I have the utmost respect for. I used to have
on a lot. Now we save him for special occasions.
He's a very busy guy. He's part of the year.
He is in the Miami area part of the year
and joining us on his birthday. Doctor John Braccio, are
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you fifty seven or fifty eight?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Actually thirty nine like Jack, Bennyjack, you're making me way
too old.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's great to talk with you again. And I figured
this would be a perfect time with all the despair,
all the despondency between Tigers fans who stayed up for
all fifteen innings and haven't slept since. For Lions fans
with anks now that maybe this isn't the year that
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they're going to win a championship for the first time
since nineteen fifty seven. How about Michigan State and Michigan
fans and now they're wondering if they're even headed in
the right direction. John, what do you tell fans who
are beside themselves and they're so despondent today at you know,
I worry about him going off the bridge.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, you know, I'm a little different than that. I mean,
let's take them on one of the time. I think
the Tigers, you know, they were heroes and incredible the
talk of the country has to season a little more.
Then they utterly fell apart, but they really came together
against the Guardians, and I think that series of Seattle
was wonderful, and the last game was a titanic struggle.
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Horrible to lose, but on the other hand, memorable, unforgettable,
you know, there's some games, and even that, I think
it was what two thousand and four, the game in
ann Arbor that seemed to go on and on in
a Michigan, Michigan game that went on and on and up. Yes,
that's one of those games you hate, but that's one
I will watch every now and then because it's such
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an exciting thing. So I think with the Tigers, a
lot of things maybe to feel bad about, but overall positive.
Maybe not quite like Dan Dickerson in the open Mic,
But on the other hand, I think I think that
I think that of the Tigers, I'm happy, I feel
bad in many ways, but I feel positive on them. Biens,
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I'm not really too worried. I mean, I think Kansas
City was desperate, and you know, I really kind of
like Mahones and I really find Kelsey. I mean, I'm
not rooting for them, don't hear me wrong. But on
the other hand, hey, you know, you can't win them all.
I think the team's going to do is going to
do fine, And I think Kansas City was desperate and
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they played that way, and it just that's kind of
how that worked. As far as Michigan State and even
Michigan I think that Michigan State. I think it's really
a very difficult time, Jack. I mean, it's it doesn't
seem to be going anywhere. And I've done a lot
of thinking, and I was I looked back and I
look back at Biggie, I look at Duffy, I look
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at Tearless, I look at Saban, I look at D'Antonio.
They all were so aggressive. Okay, what I mean is
verbally they it's kind of like you know when you're
in a you're in a psychological jungle of the In football,
You've got you've got Notre Dame, you've got Michigan, You've
got Michigan, You've got Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, even
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though a little wounded, But those are predators and they're
and they're like Loveland last year after the Michigan game,
he was bragging. He was right out there about how
Michigan State lost that game. Believe or not. I don't
have a problem. If you win the game, you get
to do that. However, when you lose, you got to
be tough, You've got to be willing to really fight
come forward. I just think that that that personality, that
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type thing is what really works in East landsing now,
I wish not.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
What do you say those to the fans right now
who say it's been forty one years in baseball and
even the Red Sox, who couldn't get out of their
own way have all these championships. Sorry, Rob, You look
at football and you know we are closing in on
seventy years without championship. Not many of us were around
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the last time the Lions won it all. You look
at Michigan State, it's been close to sixty years, and
as you say, you don't see real progress. Michigan seems
to be going in the wrong direction. Why tell fans
to help them cope?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You know, Jack, I just kind of think you have to.
You can only deal with the now and look to
the future, okay, meaning you know, you know you and
I remember those Lion championships, okay A long time, nobody
a long time. I saw them on TV, so I
remember them, you know, one with Bobby Lane, Tobin wrote,
you know, I remember those games. But I think I
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think with the Lions, I guess I've been so excited
the past two years after the horrible things that happened
to them. Personally, I think you just go with them,
you kind of and and the fact that we can
play with anybody. We may lose, but you know, I
think that's you've got to be positive Tigers, you know.
I like to think assuming they keep the players they
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have and get some more players in, I think that
that's a team that has a lot of potential, a
lot of excitement this year. I'm not sure quite what
happened to them as the year went on, and maybe
nobody really is, but I think with the Tigers or
something Michigan oddly, you know that the mission that I've
been hearing that too, just happened to talk to a
Michigan person this morning who really feels that. You know,
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they kind of feel entitled. They ought to win ten
eleven games a year. They kind of realize even their
murky history. They'll talk about the cheating, how that did
help maybe with with Harbau, But overall, I think they're
unhappy even though they won some big games. And I
think with Michigan State, I think is the difficult, most
difficult of them all, Jack, because they seem to be
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going backwards. You remember for history, do you remember when
Saban was enraged after a game with Nebraska, do you
remember a game when he just went nutsy cuckoo afterwards?
I really think I already think this this UCLA game
was a place that a saman or a Purlish or
somebody would already been enraged. Okay, I'm not saying what
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what what what Smith ought to do? But I think
that that's kind of you know, we've always had a
chip on her shoulder ready to fight with anybody, you know,
that type thing, you know, like a boy called shoe,
And I think that that that's something people are looking for.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And the lions that might last night John at the game, well, Branch.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I surely did. I just you know, I disapprove, but
you know, it seems so funny with this tameness. And
then you've got the the old Michigan State players saying
we didn't look like we wanted to play in the
third quarter. You know, I just think that I think
there's a lot of rumblings. I mean, I even't heard
I really learned how I was talking to somebody. This
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has been my day to be just too chatting with
people that the things that they ought to wake a
financial deal and have Smith go back to Oregon State.
Now I've certainly nowhere to that point. I want. I
want him to be very, very, very successful. But I
think people in Michigan State, you know, you can go
back to Young's book on the Michigan Michigan State Battle,
are used to having a chip on their shoulder fighting
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coming out, you know, maybe not winning every fight, but
being ready to, you know, just fight, fight, fight, And
I think that's what people people what he wanted. One
of the yeah in his personality.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Doesn't seem to be what fans are looking for right now.
They want someone who portrays a stronger image even when
the team isn't. You remember John when George got here
and didn't have much and he's talking about pack of
lunch and bring a flashlight and you know, we're going
to do this, and and you know, he talked a
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big game. It took five years for his team to
be able to back it up, but at least they
had something like that going for him. I think a
lot of people looked at the body language.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well. The eighty four game, though, beating Michigan was a
big deal. If you remember that game. I think in
meeting Notre Dame, I mean, he definitely, even in the
midst of Termino. I remember he even told Bowie was
mocking them, like we recruited better than you did, and
Bo went out and really referred about putting us in
the trash can. But the point being Purlos was a fighter,
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wasn't he eighty seven? I mean, you know, just a
different nineteen ninety, just a different kind. I think in
saman too. So I think that's kind of what's being
looked at. And I think it's the direction too. And
I will say this, I'm not one of the people
on Signetti. I think he's just a phenomenon. I don't
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know how you describe him in Indiana, but when I
saw this one guy say this is why I came
to Indiana, I'm thinking, oh my goodness, what planet am
I living on? You know that Indiana now. But it
also shows doesn't matter if your trendy does, don't matter.
There are certain people that have an ability to forge
forth and whatever is going on that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Any school in the country could have had him for
a song. He was down, couldn't get out.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I listen. I'm just telling you, but I think it's
not fair to compare any coaches. I think he's just
a phenomenon. We'll see how long if he's if he
know what he does. But overall, I think the Michigan
State one is the hardest one to deal with now.
And there's also this nil It's there are just a
lot of the things going on and so but on
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the other hand, I'm patient. I did do something inexplicable
to me anyway, John, myself and I and my nephew
in the game. Do you know what happened at the end?
Jacket's astonishing. The game ended and we didn't know it.
We were just too chatting and all of a sudden
the game. I know it sounds hard to do, because
you know, I'm pretty intense at games, but I think
that everybody was and nobody was mad. Everybody just seemed
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to be chuckling and drinking and talking.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So I pass that anger that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
On the other hand, I just I hope things work out,
and I'm assuming that people are going to make some
good decisions, whatever those are, and I'm going to be
a fan. You know, I've always have to ask you
about this.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
The changing patience level. And maybe it's in society. We
are a microwave society, country whatever now and then everyone
wants everything immediately or sooner. And you see now coaches
who used to have five years quarterbacks who would sit
and learn. Now, if you haven't done it in two years,
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you're in deep trouble. And we saw James Franklin, who
has had five eleven win seasons. Last year he was
one play from the National Championship Game, but he had
lost the fan base. They weren't happy with him, looking
for a reason to get rid of him, and he
gave them one. The last two weeks he's gone. You
see other coaches who in the middle of the season
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are gone. Used to be, you know, at least away
till the end of the year. It's not like that now.
Do you think that we are expecting too much too soon?
Do you think this is a way it should be?
And what is it about our patients level now that
we expect perfection and if we don't get it, we're
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onto the next candidate.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, I'm going to surprise you, Jack. I don't think
there's any problem with this impatience at all. I think
in the age of nil, where it's more like pros
and I think Franklin, I mean, if I can believe
you know, you know more than I would, but this
guy's loaded with talent. You were talking about a guy,
so for him to lose games like this, I think,
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and he's lost. He's never been able to consistently win big,
big games, so maybe it is time for him to leave. Okay,
as far as that goes now, but I do believe
with Nil, you bring in your you can bring in
a quarterback, you can bring in runners. And one of
the things Netty said after the game he made the comedy,
He says, you know, when you win, you can bring
people in the portal, you can break people in. You
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know you can. And I think that's I think that's
really I think that's true. So I think in this
current almost pro like days of college football, if you
have the money, and certainly MSU had money, people, if
you can work with them, you can't alienate them, then
I think, you know, you can do a lot of things.
I mean, you know, you and I talked a couple
of years ago when I when I was thinking I
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would like to have gone after Irvan Meyer at the time, Okay,
and whether that was a possibility or not, I think,
you know, you can. I think in college football now,
certain places certainly issues one of them. If you can
get into the portal, if you can get into the nil,
if you can bring in player that way, I think
you can have some instant winning. So I think that
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probably this is the time that probably for twenty thirty
schools in the country that you do expect to well,
you don't expect to win every game, but you know,
winning seven, eight nine games is particularly if you can
control the first three games, is maybe not that unreasonable.
You're going to and I think you're going to hear
people partickly now with MSU and made me with Michigan
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saying well, you know, you just have to be keep
being patient. I'm saying, well, you know, I don't know
if you're going to keep overthrowing players, you're going to
have a quarterback getting beat up all the game and
then you know, I mean, you know, there we could
call it three or five stages of a game. You know,
this game last week, how different was that from the
Nebraska game, even though Nebraska scored more points. But this,
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this is you know, this is this is one of
the bad teams you know, statistically in the country. And
to get railroaded, overwhelmed, bully.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Led in Nebraska late in the third quarter.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yes, that's why I'm not talking about but I'm not
even talking.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Fake.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
But Jack, I'm going way back. I'm going back to
the sabe in Nebraska game. I think I think US
Nebraska game that I mean, we lost that game, we
had every chance to win it, but that I think
this game was more of a watershed game. And and
to me, now you're you're you may totally disagree to me.
There are two events, two events that when this is
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looked back, assuming everything doesn't turn around, one was the
giving away of the Michigan game last year and almost
like Gully, I don't know it was that big of
a game. Then I think this four it down, you
know early in the game that in the way, you know,
running like like you have Lorenzo White out there and
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Mandarich out there. But what I mean is it was
I think those two two I think people will let
alone the love of them last year, the silence after
he was in TV criticizing ms laughing at MSU after
that game. So I do remember all these things, Jack,
But on the other hand, hey, I wish Smith all
the luck in the world. I'm never in somebody who
doesn't risk, you know, with someone. But on your point, no,
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I do think with the way the portal set up,
the way you can bring players in with nil, if
you can manage that, that's the key. There are going
to be a few people that there are a lot of.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Schools trying to do it. John, there are one and
one hundred and thirty some schools in the country who
are trying to do the same thing, and we see
it off.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I'm failing. I'm only interested. I don't care about now.
I'm only interested in MSU and maybe I'll like Texas
Texas year.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
On the other side, you're interested in South Florida that
now is right there at the This could be just
like two thousand and two with Ohio State and Miami.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Again. Well listen, I of course I love Miami. We're
going to go to a Miami game here, and I
might have within a few weeks the thing there. Chrystobal
has to show. He's been a little like Franklin, you know,
he's kind of lost some some crazy games himself. So
we'll see. But I certainly wish him all the luck.
And of course I've got a ton of friends that
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are Miami sanes and bands, and I have been the
mini game. Clay John went to school down there, my son.
So we over the years we've already have become we're
obviously Michigan State, but certainly Miami fans also so life
and said Jack, never let a game ruin. You kind
of luxuriate and love winning. But when the team is losing,
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you're not out in the field doing it. You wish
them well, you wait for them to come back. Okay, right,
does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yes, that's right. When there's an injury on the field,
you're not the one who winds up in the hospital.
So that's important thing for fans to remember. And you know,
there's another game next week, and there's another season, and
you don't want to get two philosophical. It takes all
the fun out of it. But for fans who think
that their life is coming to an end, none of
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them have as much invested, even if it's cash. They
don't have as much invested in the blood, sweat and
tears of the players and coaches who are out.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
What they can do.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Sometimes they're not doing a good job at it, but
they're they're working at it.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Jack, I got to give one more a little This
is going to be a low blow. But you know,
when you make seven million a year, you really have
to work with owners and the coaches, the players. You've
got to. You've got you know, Napoleon said that leaders
really are really dealers in hope, and that's really what
a football code. A lot of people live in little
worlds and football is a big deal for them, and
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you know, you've got to you've got to have them feel.
I don't want to overstate it, but it's a it's
a it's a relaxation. It's something people really, you know,
get into. So you have to. You've got to deal
in hope, like you're back on Purlis. Yes, Purlis always
he made you think like he was going to go
out there next week and he was going to just
run a everybody. Remember you always said it's x's and
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o's and everybody puts on their pants the same way,
you know, And so I think that you a dealer,
a dealer in hope. If you can't deal with the Hope,
then I think you know that that's really not that's
you're missing a major aspect.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
But again, hey, I communicating and inspire others.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yes, yeah, yes, And I'm an optibus I wish happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Everyone knows that you've been around here forever, and you
go back to the Bobby Lane days with the Lions
and Biggie Munn and Duffy Doherty. Certainly it seems like
it was a century ago and the better part of
a century. But I just hope that while we're above ground,
we get to see another Lions championship. How's that?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well? I will? Can I give you one complaint? I'm
only eighty two, and my daughter told a neighbor I
was eighty three, and I said, Sarah Quinn, exaggerie, don't
make me old. Okay, come on, don't do that. So
just so i'd let you know that little story about
my daughter. But listen, Jack, happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
We will talk to you again soon. I hope we
get to see you before you head back to Florida.
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Jack the Spotlight Radio Network. Jack Eblin here with my
(00:47):
producer of Boston, Rob rob Our. Next guest guy who
I have the utmost respect for. I used to have
on a lot. Now we save him for special occasions.
He's a very busy guy. He's part of the year.
He is in the Miami area part of the year
and joining us on his birthday. Doctor John Braccio, are
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you fifty seven or fifty eight?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Actually thirty nine like Jack, Bennyjack, you're making me way
too old.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's great to talk with you again. And I figured
this would be a perfect time with all the despair,
all the despondency between Tigers fans who stayed up for
all fifteen innings and haven't slept since. For Lions fans
with anks now that maybe this isn't the year that
(01:38):
they're going to win a championship for the first time
since nineteen fifty seven. How about Michigan State and Michigan
fans and now they're wondering if they're even headed in
the right direction. John, what do you tell fans who
are beside themselves and they're so despondent today at you know,
I worry about him going off the bridge.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, you know, I'm a little different than that. I mean,
let's take them on one of the time. I think
the Tigers, you know, they were heroes and incredible the
talk of the country has to season a little more.
Then they utterly fell apart, but they really came together
against the Guardians, and I think that series of Seattle
was wonderful, and the last game was a titanic struggle.
(02:24):
Horrible to lose, but on the other hand, memorable, unforgettable,
you know, there's some games, and even that, I think
it was what two thousand and four, the game in
ann Arbor that seemed to go on and on in
a Michigan, Michigan game that went on and on and up. Yes,
that's one of those games you hate, but that's one
I will watch every now and then because it's such
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an exciting thing. So I think with the Tigers, a
lot of things maybe to feel bad about, but overall positive.
Maybe not quite like Dan Dickerson in the open Mic,
But on the other hand, I think I think that
I think that of the Tigers, I'm happy, I feel
bad in many ways, but I feel positive on them. Biens,
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I'm not really too worried. I mean, I think Kansas
City was desperate, and you know, I really kind of
like Mahones and I really find Kelsey. I mean, I'm
not rooting for them, don't hear me wrong. But on
the other hand, hey, you know, you can't win them all.
I think the team's going to do is going to
do fine, And I think Kansas City was desperate and
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they played that way, and it just that's kind of
how that worked. As far as Michigan State and even
Michigan I think that Michigan State. I think it's really
a very difficult time, Jack. I mean, it's it doesn't
seem to be going anywhere. And I've done a lot
of thinking, and I was I looked back and I
look back at Biggie, I look at Duffy, I look
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at Tearless, I look at Saban, I look at D'Antonio.
They all were so aggressive. Okay, what I mean is
verbally they it's kind of like you know when you're
in a you're in a psychological jungle of the In football,
You've got you've got Notre Dame, you've got Michigan, You've
got Michigan, You've got Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, even
(04:14):
though a little wounded, But those are predators and they're
and they're like Loveland last year after the Michigan game,
he was bragging. He was right out there about how
Michigan State lost that game. Believe or not. I don't
have a problem. If you win the game, you get
to do that. However, when you lose, you got to
be tough, You've got to be willing to really fight
come forward. I just think that that that personality, that
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type thing is what really works in East landsing now,
I wish not.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
What do you say those to the fans right now
who say it's been forty one years in baseball and
even the Red Sox, who couldn't get out of their
own way have all these championships. Sorry, Rob, You look
at football and you know we are closing in on
seventy years without championship. Not many of us were around
(05:02):
the last time the Lions won it all. You look
at Michigan State, it's been close to sixty years, and
as you say, you don't see real progress. Michigan seems
to be going in the wrong direction. Why tell fans
to help them cope?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You know, Jack, I just kind of think you have to.
You can only deal with the now and look to
the future, okay, meaning you know, you know you and
I remember those Lion championships, okay A long time, nobody
a long time. I saw them on TV, so I
remember them, you know, one with Bobby Lane, Tobin wrote,
you know, I remember those games. But I think I
(05:40):
think with the Lions, I guess I've been so excited
the past two years after the horrible things that happened
to them. Personally, I think you just go with them,
you kind of and and the fact that we can
play with anybody. We may lose, but you know, I
think that's you've got to be positive Tigers, you know.
I like to think assuming they keep the players they
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have and get some more players in, I think that
that's a team that has a lot of potential, a
lot of excitement this year. I'm not sure quite what
happened to them as the year went on, and maybe
nobody really is, but I think with the Tigers or
something Michigan oddly, you know that the mission that I've
been hearing that too, just happened to talk to a
Michigan person this morning who really feels that. You know,
(06:24):
they kind of feel entitled. They ought to win ten
eleven games a year. They kind of realize even their
murky history. They'll talk about the cheating, how that did
help maybe with with Harbau, But overall, I think they're
unhappy even though they won some big games. And I
think with Michigan State, I think is the difficult, most
difficult of them all, Jack, because they seem to be
(06:45):
going backwards. You remember for history, do you remember when
Saban was enraged after a game with Nebraska, do you
remember a game when he just went nutsy cuckoo afterwards?
I really think I already think this this UCLA game
was a place that a saman or a Purlish or
somebody would already been enraged. Okay, I'm not saying what
(07:08):
what what what Smith ought to do? But I think
that that's kind of you know, we've always had a
chip on her shoulder ready to fight with anybody, you know,
that type thing, you know, like a boy called shoe,
And I think that that that's something people are looking for.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And the lions that might last night John at the game, well, Branch.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I surely did. I just you know, I disapprove, but
you know, it seems so funny with this tameness. And
then you've got the the old Michigan State players saying
we didn't look like we wanted to play in the
third quarter. You know, I just think that I think
there's a lot of rumblings. I mean, I even't heard
I really learned how I was talking to somebody. This
(07:53):
has been my day to be just too chatting with
people that the things that they ought to wake a
financial deal and have Smith go back to Oregon State.
Now I've certainly nowhere to that point. I want. I
want him to be very, very, very successful. But I
think people in Michigan State, you know, you can go
back to Young's book on the Michigan Michigan State Battle,
are used to having a chip on their shoulder fighting
(08:16):
coming out, you know, maybe not winning every fight, but
being ready to, you know, just fight, fight, fight, And
I think that's what people people what he wanted. One
of the yeah in his personality.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Doesn't seem to be what fans are looking for right now.
They want someone who portrays a stronger image even when
the team isn't. You remember John when George got here
and didn't have much and he's talking about pack of
lunch and bring a flashlight and you know, we're going
to do this, and and you know, he talked a
(08:50):
big game. It took five years for his team to
be able to back it up, but at least they
had something like that going for him. I think a
lot of people looked at the body language.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well. The eighty four game, though, beating Michigan was a
big deal. If you remember that game. I think in
meeting Notre Dame, I mean, he definitely, even in the
midst of Termino. I remember he even told Bowie was
mocking them, like we recruited better than you did, and
Bo went out and really referred about putting us in
the trash can. But the point being Purlos was a fighter,
(09:23):
wasn't he eighty seven? I mean, you know, just a
different nineteen ninety, just a different kind. I think in
saman too. So I think that's kind of what's being
looked at. And I think it's the direction too. And
I will say this, I'm not one of the people
on Signetti. I think he's just a phenomenon. I don't
(09:44):
know how you describe him in Indiana, but when I
saw this one guy say this is why I came
to Indiana, I'm thinking, oh my goodness, what planet am
I living on? You know that Indiana now. But it
also shows doesn't matter if your trendy does, don't matter.
There are certain people that have an ability to forge
forth and whatever is going on that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Any school in the country could have had him for
a song. He was down, couldn't get out.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I listen. I'm just telling you, but I think it's
not fair to compare any coaches. I think he's just
a phenomenon. We'll see how long if he's if he
know what he does. But overall, I think the Michigan
State one is the hardest one to deal with now.
And there's also this nil It's there are just a
lot of the things going on and so but on
(10:33):
the other hand, I'm patient. I did do something inexplicable
to me anyway, John, myself and I and my nephew
in the game. Do you know what happened at the end?
Jacket's astonishing. The game ended and we didn't know it.
We were just too chatting and all of a sudden
the game. I know it sounds hard to do, because
you know, I'm pretty intense at games, but I think
that everybody was and nobody was mad. Everybody just seemed
(10:56):
to be chuckling and drinking and talking.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So I pass that anger that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
On the other hand, I just I hope things work out,
and I'm assuming that people are going to make some
good decisions, whatever those are, and I'm going to be
a fan. You know, I've always have to ask you
about this.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
The changing patience level. And maybe it's in society. We
are a microwave society, country whatever now and then everyone
wants everything immediately or sooner. And you see now coaches
who used to have five years quarterbacks who would sit
and learn. Now, if you haven't done it in two years,
(11:39):
you're in deep trouble. And we saw James Franklin, who
has had five eleven win seasons. Last year he was
one play from the National Championship Game, but he had
lost the fan base. They weren't happy with him, looking
for a reason to get rid of him, and he
gave them one. The last two weeks he's gone. You
see other coaches who in the middle of the season
(12:02):
are gone. Used to be, you know, at least away
till the end of the year. It's not like that now.
Do you think that we are expecting too much too soon?
Do you think this is a way it should be?
And what is it about our patients level now that
we expect perfection and if we don't get it, we're
(12:23):
onto the next candidate.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, I'm going to surprise you, Jack. I don't think
there's any problem with this impatience at all. I think
in the age of nil, where it's more like pros
and I think Franklin, I mean, if I can believe
you know, you know more than I would, but this
guy's loaded with talent. You were talking about a guy,
so for him to lose games like this, I think,
(12:45):
and he's lost. He's never been able to consistently win big,
big games, so maybe it is time for him to leave. Okay,
as far as that goes now, but I do believe
with Nil, you bring in your you can bring in
a quarterback, you can bring in runners. And one of
the things Netty said after the game he made the comedy,
He says, you know, when you win, you can bring
people in the portal, you can break people in. You
(13:07):
know you can. And I think that's I think that's
really I think that's true. So I think in this
current almost pro like days of college football, if you
have the money, and certainly MSU had money, people, if
you can work with them, you can't alienate them, then
I think, you know, you can do a lot of things.
I mean, you know, you and I talked a couple
of years ago when I when I was thinking I
(13:29):
would like to have gone after Irvan Meyer at the time, Okay,
and whether that was a possibility or not, I think,
you know, you can. I think in college football now,
certain places certainly issues one of them. If you can
get into the portal, if you can get into the nil,
if you can bring in player that way, I think
you can have some instant winning. So I think that
(13:52):
probably this is the time that probably for twenty thirty
schools in the country that you do expect to well,
you don't expect to win every game, but you know,
winning seven, eight nine games is particularly if you can
control the first three games, is maybe not that unreasonable.
You're going to and I think you're going to hear
people partickly now with MSU and made me with Michigan
(14:13):
saying well, you know, you just have to be keep
being patient. I'm saying, well, you know, I don't know
if you're going to keep overthrowing players, you're going to
have a quarterback getting beat up all the game and
then you know, I mean, you know, there we could
call it three or five stages of a game. You know,
this game last week, how different was that from the
Nebraska game, even though Nebraska scored more points. But this,
(14:34):
this is you know, this is this is one of
the bad teams you know, statistically in the country. And
to get railroaded, overwhelmed, bully.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Led in Nebraska late in the third quarter.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yes, that's why I'm not talking about but I'm not
even talking.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Fake.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
But Jack, I'm going way back. I'm going back to
the sabe in Nebraska game. I think I think US
Nebraska game that I mean, we lost that game, we
had every chance to win it, but that I think
this game was more of a watershed game. And and
to me, now you're you're you may totally disagree to me.
There are two events, two events that when this is
(15:15):
looked back, assuming everything doesn't turn around, one was the
giving away of the Michigan game last year and almost
like Gully, I don't know it was that big of
a game. Then I think this four it down, you
know early in the game that in the way, you know,
running like like you have Lorenzo White out there and
(15:36):
Mandarich out there. But what I mean is it was
I think those two two I think people will let
alone the love of them last year, the silence after
he was in TV criticizing ms laughing at MSU after
that game. So I do remember all these things, Jack,
But on the other hand, hey, I wish Smith all
the luck in the world. I'm never in somebody who
doesn't risk, you know, with someone. But on your point, no,
(15:59):
I do think with the way the portal set up,
the way you can bring players in with nil, if
you can manage that, that's the key. There are going
to be a few people that there are a lot of.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Schools trying to do it. John, there are one and
one hundred and thirty some schools in the country who
are trying to do the same thing, and we see
it off.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I'm failing. I'm only interested. I don't care about now.
I'm only interested in MSU and maybe I'll like Texas
Texas year.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
On the other side, you're interested in South Florida that
now is right there at the This could be just
like two thousand and two with Ohio State and Miami.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Again. Well listen, I of course I love Miami. We're
going to go to a Miami game here, and I
might have within a few weeks the thing there. Chrystobal
has to show. He's been a little like Franklin, you know,
he's kind of lost some some crazy games himself. So
we'll see. But I certainly wish him all the luck.
And of course I've got a ton of friends that
(16:58):
are Miami sanes and bands, and I have been the
mini game. Clay John went to school down there, my son.
So we over the years we've already have become we're
obviously Michigan State, but certainly Miami fans also so life
and said Jack, never let a game ruin. You kind
of luxuriate and love winning. But when the team is losing,
(17:19):
you're not out in the field doing it. You wish
them well, you wait for them to come back. Okay, right,
does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yes, that's right. When there's an injury on the field,
you're not the one who winds up in the hospital.
So that's important thing for fans to remember. And you know,
there's another game next week, and there's another season, and
you don't want to get two philosophical. It takes all
the fun out of it. But for fans who think
that their life is coming to an end, none of
(17:46):
them have as much invested, even if it's cash. They
don't have as much invested in the blood, sweat and
tears of the players and coaches who are out.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
What they can do.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Sometimes they're not doing a good job at it, but
they're they're working at it.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Jack, I got to give one more a little This
is going to be a low blow. But you know,
when you make seven million a year, you really have
to work with owners and the coaches, the players. You've
got to. You've got you know, Napoleon said that leaders
really are really dealers in hope, and that's really what
a football code. A lot of people live in little
worlds and football is a big deal for them, and
(18:21):
you know, you've got to you've got to have them feel.
I don't want to overstate it, but it's a it's
a it's a relaxation. It's something people really, you know,
get into. So you have to. You've got to deal
in hope, like you're back on Purlis. Yes, Purlis always
he made you think like he was going to go
out there next week and he was going to just
run a everybody. Remember you always said it's x's and
(18:42):
o's and everybody puts on their pants the same way,
you know, And so I think that you a dealer,
a dealer in hope. If you can't deal with the Hope,
then I think you know that that's really not that's
you're missing a major aspect.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
But again, hey, I communicating and inspire others.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yes, yeah, yes, And I'm an optibus I wish happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Everyone knows that you've been around here forever, and you
go back to the Bobby Lane days with the Lions
and Biggie Munn and Duffy Doherty. Certainly it seems like
it was a century ago and the better part of
a century. But I just hope that while we're above ground,
we get to see another Lions championship. How's that?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well? I will? Can I give you one complaint? I'm
only eighty two, and my daughter told a neighbor I
was eighty three, and I said, Sarah Quinn, exaggerie, don't
make me old. Okay, come on, don't do that. So
just so i'd let you know that little story about
my daughter. But listen, Jack, happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
We will talk to you again soon. I hope we
get to see you before you head back to Florida.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well, listen, go Lions, go to Tigers Go. Michigan State
and Michigan keep struggling, even though I never want any
way to get hurt. How does that sound?
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