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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome back.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
It is a drive with Jack the Spotlight Radio Network.
Jack Eblin here with my producer Boston Rob Rob. But
we have our cleanup hitter ready to go.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
We most certainly do.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
He's been swinging that bat with a doughnut waiting for
this opportunity. Wan to welcome in.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Jim M.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Keaton Junior. We mentioned Hall of Famer and a multi
sport stand out. Jim, you have to explain something to
me because all the time I have watched sports going
back to the late fifties, I don't think I have
been more wrong about a game than I would have

(01:21):
been with Game one Seattle at Toronto and watching the
celebration after the fifteen inning game early Saturday morning, knowing
that there were going to be media sessions interviews, they
were going to finally stagger out of there, try to
get their way to the plane while the champagne high

(01:43):
was still there, and then it wouldn't be long and
they'd be back out on the field in Game one
against the Blue Jays, who were waiting and heavily favored.
How Seattle won these first two games well, and.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
You have to remember, too, Jag, they had TV stuff
to get ready for the actual series, you know, So
I mean it wasn't like they had a lot of
time to do anything except maybe take a nap and
then it was like, okay, guys, we got to get
to the field for practice. But I think I think

(02:20):
what really shows you, especially when it comes to baseball,
is uh, you can ride the wave with baseball a
lot easier you can with other sports because you you
can take the time when you're feeling confident hitting the ball,

(02:41):
which is really what seemed to happen for them when
they got there, it's like the weight of the world
had gone off their shoulders from getting through the Tiger series,
and this is the first time they've been in the
playoffs in a long time. So once you get over
that first pump and it's like, oh, we did, then
all of a sudden you kind of let the pressure

(03:03):
that certainly was palpable when they were playing the Tigers,
and that fifteen inning just spectacular baseball game for US
baseball players. It was just a beautiful game. But I
just think that once they relaxed, they've been able to

(03:27):
see it, hit it, and then make it happen, and
their bombers have come up, and then of course it
doesn't hurt to have a guy named Paul Ago on
your team, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah. And for a lot of people who said, who
is this guy? He did have twenty six home runs
in the regular season. He is batting fourth in the
lineup as a second basement for one of the most
powerful teams in baseball with the sixty two home run hitter. Now,
if you had the postseason play, Suarez is at fifty

(04:03):
and the other guys, you know what a Rosarena, Yeah,
Rodriguez can do a nailer. And you know, this is
a team that really fortified itself at the All Star
break and the trade deadline, and unlike the Tigers, they said, okay,
we're not good enough and so what do we have

(04:23):
to do. Do we want to just sit and say, well,
it's not our year or are we all in? And
they pushed all their chips to the middle of the
table and they may have a World championship to show
for it.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, there's certainly in the groove. I don't anticipate a
let down going back home, and in fact, Toronto is
perhaps in danger without a couple of very good pitching
outings of getting swept out of here. And it kind
of reminds me of what happened with the Lions last year.

(04:57):
We had all these high expect patients and then in
one game, you know, ended it all. In this case,
it's you know, four for theories, but it has the
same kind of feel. You know this, And but I
think that I think that they're a well connected team.
Those guys certainly like each other, and you know, I

(05:20):
like Polanco for the fact that you know, he had
gotten hurt and he was still rehabit his knee and
the fact that you know, I don't think they signed
him until just before going to UH training camp, and
he had been shopping himself around and and they ended up,
you know, offering him a deal, and and he bet

(05:43):
on himself. Basically, you know, he's seven million dollars, which
looks like a steal, you know for a number four
hitting infielder right now that is leading you to the
World Series. And but he bet on himself and so
on offsee in hopefully he'll be able to reap the
rewards for the success that he's had so far in

(06:06):
the postseason. And and he had good regelseases Jim.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Someone said that this is the first time a contending team,
a serious contender in the Baseball four has had a
second basement batting cleanup and a catcher batting second and
both of them switch hitters, having this much impact on

(06:32):
the postseason.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, I Deck, I don't even remember uh too many
catchers that were switch hitters. That that to me is
h is just an anomaly in and of itself. A
middle infielder that's hitting both ways, you don't, you know,
that's that's that's not that unusual. But but the hit

(06:57):
with the power that he did. You know, all season
at hand through the playoffs has been been really spectacular.
I want to comment a little bit about what you
said about when they solidify themselves at the trading deadline. Is, yeah,
we all know there's a certain team that we root
for that didn't make that decision. And uh, and then

(07:22):
I seen I seem, I seem the general manager doubling
down saying that it was the right decision. And you know,
the worst thing that I can think of anybody in
power is to start defending themselves, because usually those in
power have no need to defend themselves. You just kind

(07:44):
of let them go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
And when I you know, I have a real real
good bullshit sniffer, And when I'm at a press conference
like that, Jim, I'm really really not trying to uh
get notoriety for myself. But with some of the things
I was hearing there, I would have been very tempted
to say, Scott, if the game had gone seventeen innings

(08:11):
instead of fifteen, would the Tigers have trotted out Chris
Paddock or Charlie Morton.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, brother, all I can say is I appreciate your sentiment,
and I will not comment because I don't want to
cast any more aspersions on the story than what I
already have. It's from when you're in a position of strength,

(08:45):
you don't need to ask for permission. You just take
control of the situation and you make it happen. And
I found it very ironic that we have the resources.
I believe was what the word was used to sign
mister Trek the terrific.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
So does that mean we didn't have resources at the
deadline or did we just come up with them in
the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
To get the feeling that they're so in love with
these prospects. I've listened to Fred Human for decades scream
upside can't play. You know, that doesn't mean it you
don't want to. You know, build a strong minor league system,
it's the lifeblood. But I remember when the Tigers acquired

(09:39):
Miguel Cabrera. He was a very young player at the time,
but they traded top prospects best in their organization. And
I also remember Dave Dombrowski telling me when I did
a book on the Tigers, get the best player in
the trade, and if you're afraid to make a move,
then maybe you're not in a role you should be

(09:59):
in doesn't mean you can't be a great scout. And
maybe I'll be wrong, maybe the Tigers will win four
World Series in the next ten years, But right now
I'm looking at opportunity slipping away.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well. One of the things that when he was making
his comments that I just it was, it just ran
through my mind. Yeah, he said we have the best
minor league system in the world or in the game,
and I'm like, I don't think the TV and das

(10:34):
molds and I don't see any lights, and I don't
see any commercials, and I don't see anybody in the
minor league playing right now right sort World championship.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
And the Tigers system, Jim has two excellent prospects ranked
four and five in their system that every major league
team was coveting. They both happen to play the same position.
They're catchers. Who could be first baseman or Dher's but
they're catchers. And the other question I would have wanted

(11:11):
to ask Scott Harris was who's going to be the
Tigers starting catcher in twenty twenty eight And if he
had said it's going to be Lorenzo and I would
have said, then maybe you could have traded Persono. If
he said Personio, I said that maybe you could have
traded Lorenzo. And if he had said Dylan Dingler, I said,

(11:32):
now you really have malpractice because you had two guys
you could have traded for a bat or an arm
that would have gotten you to a point where we
are not right now.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, No matter how I look at it, this situation
is one that is a head scratcher, and again, to
try to defend it is nothing more than digging yourself
a deeper hole to why you made a poor decision

(12:06):
to begin with.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
But I digress. I like where tigers ended. I like
how they battled. I like how they played. I'm not
sure how Trek feels about it, because he would be
one that I'm nervous about that. If you're not going
to be putting people around me to help me win,

(12:31):
what makes us think that we can give him money
and he wants to stay because there'll be other people
out there willing to give It's kind of like the
Texas A and M story in Nil right, Well, this
guy has thirty million to give me against the seven
that you want to give me, you know, And I

(12:55):
hope that he's guessing right, but it's certainly still feels
like an opportunity loss, because I can tell you getting
back to championships is harder than winning championships.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think the great regret greater
than trying making a move and saying, you know what
we tried and we failed, is not making the move
and then having regret and wondering what if?

Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Two more baseball things, and Jim, we haven't even touched
on college football. We don't have time for that today.
But Rob, I did a little survey a couple of
weeks ago about what the Tigers were gonna do, and
this was during their last series with the Red Sox,
and I want to know how many more games Detroit

(13:50):
was going to win? And I asked twenty two people
who I thought really knew the game, Okay, not just
some schlep who staggered out of the bar, talking about
people who had played baseball, who had lived the game.
And you know who had the highest projection for Tigers
wins out of those twenty two.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Probably the guy we're talking to right now.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
You got it, Jim. I think you said they were
going to win eight more times, and you weren't far off,
and if they had one Friday Night, you probably would
have won the whole thing. So when you were watching
this fifteen inning marathon, were you like riveted, were you

(14:34):
like pounding things? Were you drinking heavily? How are you
watching Friday night?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know what? Jack, I was as calm as the other.
I was enjoying the game. I truly, I was enjoying
it as a fan. I was like, these are two really,
really really good teams, and they are going at each
other at the highest level that you can do it,

(15:03):
because people don't realize playing at the highest level that
you can play at Yeah, and do it that consistently
for that long in that situation is very very, very
very hard. And I was just enjoying the game. I
wanted to was out a chance I would believe me

(15:25):
I was waiting for the hit or but I really did.
I was calm. I was just enjoying the effort that
those guys were putting out there, understanding how hard it
was to, you know, to do that, but really appreciated
the game, and afterwards very disappointed, but also very proud

(15:50):
of the way they competed. And I mean because every
guy that came out there just they did their thing,
and it was it was it was good for baseball.
For me, it was like, that's how baseball should be played,
you know. But it doesn't take away this thing of

(16:11):
knowing one more bat might have made a difference, you know,
all right, the last.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Thing for you, And I ask you this because you
know a little bit more about these two than I would.
I haven't stood in batter's box and hit sixty home
runs in withoot ball, much less in the major leagues.
But this is probably as tough a decision for an award.

(16:39):
And I've never voted for Most Valuable Player in Major
League Baseball. I've voted for all the collegiate awards it could,
but I've never had a vote for this. And there
are a couple of media members covering each team that
will decide the AL MVP. Now, cal Rolly's going to
tell you he's not worried about that right now, he's
got bigger fish to fry. Aaron Judge does not he

(17:01):
has done. But you have one guy who has really
had a generational season in terms of on base percentage ops,
you know, being the batting leader, pushing sixty home runs,
again and missed a few games too. When you look

(17:21):
at what Aaron Judge did this year and compare it
to what cal Rally did, hitting twelve more home runs
than any catcher in history and leading his team where
it had not been, who do you pick and would
it be wrong to have a tie?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well? I think Jack in my own personal opinion, just
as a baseball guy. Yeah, the Aaron Judge had a
great season, but it had comes nowhere close to where
cal Raley in his season. The fact that he's behind
the plate one hundred and sixty two times, and I
mean he you know, maybe it's one hundred and fift.

(18:01):
I don't know what his number. But the guy was
a trooper. He was out there every day and the
things that catchers have to go through physically every day
to play and then be a switch hitter as well,
and then hit sixty home runs. In my opinion, this
is one of the greatest seasons ever by a player period.

(18:22):
That's where I would rank it. And he's not a
little guy, He's a big dude. And just getting your
muscles loose and ready to go every day to go
through the rigors of a season. And I love Aaron judge.
Love him as a player, love him as a person.

(18:44):
But this year, without a doubt, Cal Riley is the
best baseball player in the world period.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Wow you hear that show, Hey, Maybe to bring Riley
into pitch the way Jake Rogers did it for the Tigers. Jim,
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