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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jack Keblin here with my good friend Matt Sloan a
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Welcome back at his drive with Jack Spotlight Radio Network.
Jack Eblin here with my producer on Boston, Rob Little.
I want you back. Everyone wanted that back. The one
who played from Michigan State prom nineteen eighty four through
nineteen eighty seven, his final game for the Spartans coming
(00:59):
in Asadena, a big win over USC Lorenzo white Low.
I'll never forget that game in nineteen eighty five when
you went over the top on fourth down, the only
touchdown of the day. Michigan State escape with a seven
to three win. George thought it was a beautiful victory.
(01:22):
I called it ugly. He got mad at me, but
that win and you and NFL great John Offerdahl met
at the Apex, and he still says you weren't in.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, you know, you know John is doing well for
himself down here in South Florida with his bagels at
Bagels Shop. But you know, we always have that that
debate always come up. Loo, you didn't get in. I
was over clearly extended the ball a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Did you know that you were in or did you
turn around? Were you happy to see the officials arms
in the air?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
No, actually, I mean out. I rolled over the top,
you know, I mean I was clearly I was clearly
in at that point.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
You know, he and I just always tease him. I say, what, man,
that second bonus that you got? I think you just
playing with me, all those tackles you had on me.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You know, it's funny when you get to play at
the goal line. And I've had this conversation a dozen times.
I swear with Chuck Long and it was your freshman
year in Iowa City and Long didn't start the game.
He was sick and I think they thought that they
weren't going to need him. But at halftime they rolled
Charlie out of bed and he comes back and he
(02:48):
hits seventeen straight passes leads us big comeback. Iowa was
trailing I think by seventeen in that game, and they
made it seventeen sixteen. The last minut it and they're
going to go for two, and Long keeps the ball
and he has stopped just short of the goal line.
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Shane Buller, Jim Morrissey, guys made a tremendous goal line hit.
And Hayden Fry, to the day he died, said that
that was a game that Iowa was robbed. He had
some kind of a picture from an odd angle blown
up in his office. And the funny part about it
(03:33):
is a year later, you.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And Chuck both of that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, you're both at the Heisman ceremony, first one I
attended at the Waldorf Astoria and Chuck says to this
day that you cost him the Heisman because they sput
all the Midwest votes and you can say that he
cost you the Heisman.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's what I told him too. I said, I said, well,
we need a flip so we can redo this housing
trophy again so we could see who really go win him.
If one of us know whoever going to take all
the votes for the Midwest, then we'll be good. There
you go. But the craziest thing that you said, you know,
when you talked about our freshman year with that, with
(04:15):
that happening, remember what happened the next year with this
aphomore year with the boot with the book, is like
the same thing last night, right back.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
In Knick Stadium, same place. Yeah, I had the lighter
rout on that one.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I think Coach Saban, I don't know. I thought he
blew one.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh my god, you know I told this story earlier
this week, Loough, But I'm sitting in the press box
and there was a glass partition between where the writers
were and where the Michigan State coaches were, and that
glass was vibrating. Saban was screaming so loud down to
the field. He didn't need a phone, he didn't need
anything because you could hear him on the field and
(04:58):
he is screaming during this time out. Watch the fake,
Watch the fake. Sure enough, Keith Fisher watched the fake
and watched Chuck Longo right into the end zone and
if it could have got his hands on Keith Fisher
at that point, someone would.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Have been hospital Oh yeah, just like yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Crazy. So what do you make of this Michigan State team.
You've seen more of it than I have actually out
on the field. But new running backs, a couple guys
who were here last year and carried it just a
few times, Mkay Frazier and Brandon Tullis. And then they
have a player in the portal who's come in I
(05:43):
haven't heard quite as much about him as I thought
we would, Elijah Tau Tolliver. And then Jace Clarizio who's
been banged up a little bit. He had nothing really
wrong with him, but he did set out the scrimmage
the second scrimmage. But they really like these running backs.
What can you tell us about Well, I.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Like, you know, I like what I see, you know,
and you know, if it's uh anything to be said
about it, you know the line, you know, making a
making a few clear uh through key blocks, and you
know one thing about it, they do run it. They
do run it hard. So you know this is you know,
(06:23):
football is a lot different. Now, we don't know anything
until we go against the other team. You know, but
for looking, you know, looking the park. Yes, we're okay
with that part of it. I can see, you know,
Like I said, everybody is doing what they have to do.
But uh, I guess how you get graded. It is
(06:43):
on Saturday Friday night.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
In this case, George Blaha was just on ahead of
you and and he was talking about the Indiana game,
the Rose Buwl showdown in eighty seven, and I told
him it was fifty six carries, one shy of Kent
Kitzman's NCA record that you had against at the end
of that day. Do you think we'll ever see a
(07:08):
bat carry at fifty six times in the game again,
or as you did four hundred and nineteen times in one.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Season, only if both Schamberger come back alive and what
you hate we got that's the only Chad and the
great George, for's the only.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
You know, you got a couple of blows and guys
who came in and did really well. And Craig Johnson,
who by the way is Jace Clarizio's dad, and from
Blake Ezor certainly he was a guy who relieved you
and and actually took the carries that would have given
you that record at eighty seven. Would you would you
like to play in a system where you got the
(07:59):
ball less but you were fresher.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Well how about this, Jack's let's let's just look at
how it all turned out for me. So on the
pro level, that's what happened because what they're running is
what I ran down the Houston or there was the
one the one back set, so you know, I can
(08:26):
you know, I could have did it on less curious,
but you know, like today this is like, I mean
that that was like everybody, I mean, every every every
school is running one back.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
The alpha Yeah yeah, so now it's yeah, so now
you know when they put that full back. You know,
one thing about me, I always love to run out
of the eye, you know, traditional tight end. You know.
But you know one thing you know that that did
happen if you look at our senior year when coach
Watts came in, he actually kind of like kind of
(09:09):
like spread it, kind of did something like spread some
guys around, and we kind of like did it a
couple of times my senior year. But man, this is
every time. This is like I don't care what game
you look at. I mean, it's one back.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I'm looking at last season's NCAA stats low and the
guy who led the nation in rushing amazing season two
thousand and six hundred and one yards, the second most
in history behind Barry Sanders. That's Ashton genty from Boise
State and now with the Raiders. But he carried it
(09:49):
a nation high three hundred and seventy four times. That's
forty five times fewer than you did. And he played
two more games.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yes, well, just if you want to do that, if
you want to kind of do that math, we'll have
to go back to the Indiana game my sophomore year,
right right, right, right, Well they played two what ended
up with two hundred yards? Yeah, and two players in
the second half. Go back to the but in that
(10:24):
same year would have been Wisconsin, so pretty much almost
the same thing, but probably a few more players in
the second half. And I got checked out the game
with another quarter go back in the same game against
Iowa with twenty six two hundred and twenty six yards
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and correct, and man it had ninety some yards. So
I mean, like I said, it was doable, you know,
And and that would have been even with me getting
hurt in my junior year.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Right, right, So.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
When you add when you had those gay when you
add those games, that gives me I get close to
the record right there.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You had the tow eighty two in the twenty five
carries in Bloomington and eighty five, and if you had
carried the ball, let's just say forty times, if you'd
had another fifteen carries, you're averaging more than eleven yards
of carry. So if you figure that that's another one
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hundred and sixty five yards lod that is four hundred
and forty seven yards in that game.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you're right, you know, like I said,
just Iowa, Indiana, Just Ioway Indiana. You know, because that
we had the food, we had a hole for to go,
I mean all four quarters to go.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
We were still in the third quarter when I got
when I got my actually I got my ankle twisted.
And we were playing Michigan. So Jews came up to
me and say, no, that's it, that's enough.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's talk a little bit about
what Michigan State is going to do. And you played
for a coach in his second year. George recruited you
after his first year at Michigan State after the nineteen
eighty three season. So your first year was his second
(12:36):
and now you've got guys who are coming in for
Jonathan Smith's second year. How much difference do you think
there is or should be in a coaching staff the
second time around.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I think I think you know, when you think about
what Joe he had a he always said that he
had a what a fire your plan? So you give yourself,
you know, you give yourself, you give yourself a little room.
(13:13):
But today it's just so hard for the coach now
to even do that because you know, he got n
he got N I L and now with so many
kids going to different schools and coming here, so it's
a little bit different now. Sometimes just you know, when
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you can go out and you can get a couple
of more players, so I think you probably you can
cut that. You can kind of cut that in half,
you know, to maybe like a two hours I say
two and a half, two and a half years, But
it all depends on But now, like I said, but
it's just hard. I mean, I'm feel sorry for the
coach now. It's so much, you know, I think, you know,
(14:01):
trying to go and but you get a chance to
if you can get some if you can land some players,
it gives you a little better chance, you know. Yeah, yeah,
a lot quicker, you know, if you can get the
right kids.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
No, it's funny you mentioned George and the five year plan.
He didn't elaborate on this, but we at one point
I asked him, I said, so, so, what's with the
five year plan? How come you couldn't have a three
year plan or a four year plan or six year plan.
He said, because I had a five year contract.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
It was definitely that would be George.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That would be George, That would absolutely be George. Yeah.
So for a team that was five and seven and
now coming out in a very difficult league, a league
that has produced the last two national champions and this
year another team that is maybe a cult favorite, there's
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a very good chance after the opening week that Penn
State will be number one in most of the polls.
And if that is the case, and now you've got
Oregon coming into the league and us UNC and Washington
played for a national championship two years ago, it's not
getting any easier. What is a successful season now?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I would say I would say a successful season with
so much I mean to look forward where the new
teams come in. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean I
think like still have to be like, we still got
(15:55):
to find a way to get eight games.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Eight wins. Yeah, you got to be first of all,
you gotta make a game, right, that's we gotta get
the bare minimum.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
We we got it. We gotta get we got to
get eight. We gotta get eight wins.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Okay, okay, yeah, that I mean because you look at
you know, and I was just looking at what last
year Indiana? Yeah, yeah, Indiana, And who was the other team?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Indiana went eleven and two and they were with this.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
It was it was enough, it was enough. One do
we have another team? Was it Illinois? Minnesota? Which one
of those teams? Which one what one of those teams
had had wins? Right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So Illinois, Yeah, Illinois had ten, and and Ohio State
of course wins the national championship, and and Penn State
with thirteen wins, So there are a lot of wins
for these top teams. Michigan had a down year but
finished strong. So it isn't a matter sometimes of how
(17:12):
good you are, how much your team has improved. There's
some other guys trying to do the same.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Thing exactly exactly. Yeah, and that's why I said, you
know that eight win is kunt The eight game win,
you know, kind of make you, you know, pretty much
just right there, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And you know, George and I would would kind of
go back and forth on this because to him, a
win was a win, didn't matter, just count the baby.
And to me what mattered was whether the alumni left
and felt like their team had played well, if they
had given a great effort. And sometimes you can leave
the stadium and you really wish that one play had
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gone differently, but you're proud of the effort, and others
you're really not so much. You can't lose the last
game of the year at home to Rutgers forty one
to fourteen.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, right, that hurts.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That hurts. That definitely hurts. Hey, we're going to see
you in two weeks, right, you're going to be here
for the BC game.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yes, yes, yes, we'll be there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know what I think this is? This would be great. Lough.
Michigan State is playing in Bloomington this year. Why don't
we get you to come with us down to Indiana
and we'll put you out there in thirty four before
the game, and all the Indiana fans will pass out.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I think I think we will. You think about Michigan's Day,
anything that thirty four got to do it in Indiana.
I think they're gonna stop me right at the right
at the line.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
That game over. We quit, all right, I got it.
Lorenzo White, he is a Hall of Famer. He is
the greatest offensive player certainly in Michigan State football history.
See in a couple of weeks low all right, thank you, Jack.
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Welcome back at his drive with Jack Spotlight Radio Network.
Jack Eblin here with my producer on Boston, Rob Little.
I want you back. Everyone wanted that back. The one
who played from Michigan State prom nineteen eighty four through
nineteen eighty seven, his final game for the Spartans coming
(00:59):
in Asadena, a big win over USC Lorenzo white Low.
I'll never forget that game in nineteen eighty five when
you went over the top on fourth down, the only
touchdown of the day. Michigan State escape with a seven
to three win. George thought it was a beautiful victory.
(01:22):
I called it ugly. He got mad at me, but
that win and you and NFL great John Offerdahl met
at the Apex, and he still says you weren't in.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, you know, you know John is doing well for
himself down here in South Florida with his bagels at
Bagels Shop. But you know, we always have that that
debate always come up. Loo, you didn't get in. I
was over clearly extended the ball a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Did you know that you were in or did you
turn around? Were you happy to see the officials arms
in the air?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
No, actually, I mean out. I rolled over the top,
you know, I mean I was clearly I was clearly
in at that point.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
You know, he and I just always tease him. I say, what, man,
that second bonus that you got? I think you just
playing with me, all those tackles you had on me.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You know, it's funny when you get to play at
the goal line. And I've had this conversation a dozen times.
I swear with Chuck Long and it was your freshman
year in Iowa City and Long didn't start the game.
He was sick and I think they thought that they
weren't going to need him. But at halftime they rolled
Charlie out of bed and he comes back and he
(02:48):
hits seventeen straight passes leads us big comeback. Iowa was
trailing I think by seventeen in that game, and they
made it seventeen sixteen. The last minut it and they're
going to go for two, and Long keeps the ball
and he has stopped just short of the goal line.
(03:11):
Shane Buller, Jim Morrissey, guys made a tremendous goal line hit.
And Hayden Fry, to the day he died, said that
that was a game that Iowa was robbed. He had
some kind of a picture from an odd angle blown
up in his office. And the funny part about it
(03:33):
is a year later, you.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And Chuck both of that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, you're both at the Heisman ceremony, first one I
attended at the Waldorf Astoria and Chuck says to this
day that you cost him the Heisman because they sput
all the Midwest votes and you can say that he
cost you the Heisman.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's what I told him too. I said, I said, well,
we need a flip so we can redo this housing
trophy again so we could see who really go win him.
If one of us know whoever going to take all
the votes for the Midwest, then we'll be good. There
you go. But the craziest thing that you said, you know,
when you talked about our freshman year with that, with
(04:15):
that happening, remember what happened the next year with this
aphomore year with the boot with the book, is like
the same thing last night, right back.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
In Knick Stadium, same place. Yeah, I had the lighter
rout on that one.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I think Coach Saban, I don't know. I thought he
blew one.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh my god, you know I told this story earlier
this week, Loough, But I'm sitting in the press box
and there was a glass partition between where the writers
were and where the Michigan State coaches were, and that
glass was vibrating. Saban was screaming so loud down to
the field. He didn't need a phone, he didn't need
anything because you could hear him on the field and
(04:58):
he is screaming during this time out. Watch the fake,
Watch the fake. Sure enough, Keith Fisher watched the fake
and watched Chuck Longo right into the end zone and
if it could have got his hands on Keith Fisher
at that point, someone would.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Have been hospital Oh yeah, just like yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Crazy. So what do you make of this Michigan State team.
You've seen more of it than I have actually out
on the field. But new running backs, a couple guys
who were here last year and carried it just a
few times, Mkay Frazier and Brandon Tullis. And then they
have a player in the portal who's come in I
(05:43):
haven't heard quite as much about him as I thought
we would, Elijah Tau Tolliver. And then Jace Clarizio who's
been banged up a little bit. He had nothing really
wrong with him, but he did set out the scrimmage
the second scrimmage. But they really like these running backs.
What can you tell us about Well, I.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Like, you know, I like what I see, you know,
and you know, if it's uh anything to be said
about it, you know the line, you know, making a
making a few clear uh through key blocks, and you
know one thing about it, they do run it. They
do run it hard. So you know this is you know,
(06:23):
football is a lot different. Now, we don't know anything
until we go against the other team. You know, but
for looking, you know, looking the park. Yes, we're okay
with that part of it. I can see, you know,
Like I said, everybody is doing what they have to do.
But uh, I guess how you get graded. It is
(06:43):
on Saturday Friday night.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
In this case, George Blaha was just on ahead of
you and and he was talking about the Indiana game,
the Rose Buwl showdown in eighty seven, and I told
him it was fifty six carries, one shy of Kent
Kitzman's NCA record that you had against at the end
of that day. Do you think we'll ever see a
(07:08):
bat carry at fifty six times in the game again,
or as you did four hundred and nineteen times in one.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Season, only if both Schamberger come back alive and what
you hate we got that's the only Chad and the
great George, for's the only.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
You know, you got a couple of blows and guys
who came in and did really well. And Craig Johnson,
who by the way is Jace Clarizio's dad, and from
Blake Ezor certainly he was a guy who relieved you
and and actually took the carries that would have given
you that record at eighty seven. Would you would you
like to play in a system where you got the
(07:59):
ball less but you were fresher.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Well how about this, Jack's let's let's just look at
how it all turned out for me. So on the
pro level, that's what happened because what they're running is
what I ran down the Houston or there was the
one the one back set, so you know, I can
(08:26):
you know, I could have did it on less curious,
but you know, like today this is like, I mean
that that was like everybody, I mean, every every every
school is running one back.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
The alpha Yeah yeah, so now it's yeah, so now
you know when they put that full back. You know,
one thing about me, I always love to run out
of the eye, you know, traditional tight end. You know.
But you know one thing you know that that did
happen if you look at our senior year when coach
Watts came in, he actually kind of like kind of
(09:09):
like spread it, kind of did something like spread some
guys around, and we kind of like did it a
couple of times my senior year. But man, this is
every time. This is like I don't care what game
you look at. I mean, it's one back.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I'm looking at last season's NCAA stats low and the
guy who led the nation in rushing amazing season two
thousand and six hundred and one yards, the second most
in history behind Barry Sanders. That's Ashton genty from Boise
State and now with the Raiders. But he carried it
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a nation high three hundred and seventy four times. That's
forty five times fewer than you did. And he played
two more games.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yes, well, just if you want to do that, if
you want to kind of do that math, we'll have
to go back to the Indiana game my sophomore year,
right right, right, right, Well they played two what ended
up with two hundred yards? Yeah, and two players in
the second half. Go back to the but in that
(10:24):
same year would have been Wisconsin, so pretty much almost
the same thing, but probably a few more players in
the second half. And I got checked out the game
with another quarter go back in the same game against
Iowa with twenty six two hundred and twenty six yards
(10:49):
and correct, and man it had ninety some yards. So
I mean, like I said, it was doable, you know,
And and that would have been even with me getting
hurt in my junior year.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Right, right, So.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
When you add when you had those gay when you
add those games, that gives me I get close to
the record right there.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You had the tow eighty two in the twenty five
carries in Bloomington and eighty five, and if you had
carried the ball, let's just say forty times, if you'd
had another fifteen carries, you're averaging more than eleven yards
of carry. So if you figure that that's another one
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hundred and sixty five yards lod that is four hundred
and forty seven yards in that game.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you're right, you know, like I said,
just Iowa, Indiana, Just Ioway Indiana. You know, because that
we had the food, we had a hole for to go,
I mean all four quarters to go.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
We were still in the third quarter when I got
when I got my actually I got my ankle twisted.
And we were playing Michigan. So Jews came up to
me and say, no, that's it, that's enough.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's talk a little bit about
what Michigan State is going to do. And you played
for a coach in his second year. George recruited you
after his first year at Michigan State after the nineteen
eighty three season. So your first year was his second
(12:36):
and now you've got guys who are coming in for
Jonathan Smith's second year. How much difference do you think
there is or should be in a coaching staff the
second time around.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I think I think you know, when you think about
what Joe he had a he always said that he
had a what a fire your plan? So you give yourself,
you know, you give yourself, you give yourself a little room.
(13:13):
But today it's just so hard for the coach now
to even do that because you know, he got n
he got N I L and now with so many
kids going to different schools and coming here, so it's
a little bit different now. Sometimes just you know, when
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you can go out and you can get a couple
of more players, so I think you probably you can
cut that. You can kind of cut that in half,
you know, to maybe like a two hours I say
two and a half, two and a half years, But
it all depends on But now, like I said, but
it's just hard. I mean, I'm feel sorry for the
coach now. It's so much, you know, I think, you know,
(14:01):
trying to go and but you get a chance to
if you can get some if you can land some players,
it gives you a little better chance, you know. Yeah, yeah,
a lot quicker, you know, if you can get the
right kids.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
No, it's funny you mentioned George and the five year plan.
He didn't elaborate on this, but we at one point
I asked him, I said, so, so, what's with the
five year plan? How come you couldn't have a three
year plan or a four year plan or six year plan.
He said, because I had a five year contract.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
It was definitely that would be George.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That would be George, That would absolutely be George. Yeah.
So for a team that was five and seven and
now coming out in a very difficult league, a league
that has produced the last two national champions and this
year another team that is maybe a cult favorite, there's
(15:09):
a very good chance after the opening week that Penn
State will be number one in most of the polls.
And if that is the case, and now you've got
Oregon coming into the league and us UNC and Washington
played for a national championship two years ago, it's not
getting any easier. What is a successful season now?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I would say I would say a successful season with
so much I mean to look forward where the new
teams come in. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean I
think like still have to be like, we still got
(15:55):
to find a way to get eight games.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Eight wins. Yeah, you got to be first of all,
you gotta make a game, right, that's we gotta get
the bare minimum.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
We we got it. We gotta get we got to
get eight. We gotta get eight wins.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Okay, okay, yeah, that I mean because you look at
you know, and I was just looking at what last
year Indiana? Yeah, yeah, Indiana, And who was the other team?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Indiana went eleven and two and they were with this.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
It was it was enough, it was enough. One do
we have another team? Was it Illinois? Minnesota? Which one
of those teams? Which one what one of those teams
had had wins? Right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So Illinois, Yeah, Illinois had ten, and and Ohio State
of course wins the national championship, and and Penn State
with thirteen wins, So there are a lot of wins
for these top teams. Michigan had a down year but
finished strong. So it isn't a matter sometimes of how
(17:12):
good you are, how much your team has improved. There's
some other guys trying to do the same.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Thing exactly exactly. Yeah, and that's why I said, you
know that eight win is kunt The eight game win,
you know, kind of make you, you know, pretty much
just right there, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And you know, George and I would would kind of
go back and forth on this because to him, a
win was a win, didn't matter, just count the baby.
And to me what mattered was whether the alumni left
and felt like their team had played well, if they
had given a great effort. And sometimes you can leave
the stadium and you really wish that one play had
(17:53):
gone differently, but you're proud of the effort, and others
you're really not so much. You can't lose the last
game of the year at home to Rutgers forty one
to fourteen.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, right, that hurts.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That hurts. That definitely hurts. Hey, we're going to see
you in two weeks, right, you're going to be here
for the BC game.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yes, yes, yes, we'll be there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know what I think this is? This would be great. Lough.
Michigan State is playing in Bloomington this year. Why don't
we get you to come with us down to Indiana
and we'll put you out there in thirty four before
the game, and all the Indiana fans will pass out.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I think I think we will. You think about Michigan's Day,
anything that thirty four got to do it in Indiana.
I think they're gonna stop me right at the right
at the line.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
That game over. We quit, all right, I got it.
Lorenzo White, he is a Hall of Famer. He is
the greatest offensive player certainly in Michigan State football history.
See in a couple of weeks low all right, thank you, Jack.
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