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It is a drive with Jack the Spotlight Radio Network.
Jack Eblin here with my producer Boston Rob. I want
to thank the great down Fisher and Darien Harris for
joining us. Now we're going to talk some baseball and
want to welcome in the book Pat Caputo from ninety
seven one the Ticket, Pat, how do you describe in
(01:05):
twenty five words or less what we watched Friday night
in Seattle?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Utter frustration, utter bitterness at the end anger, yet juxtaposed
with great effort.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
You did it in fifteen words, very concise.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Thank you. You know I kept those leads.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Pretty low, you know, I did a number of years
and as.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So do you think most Tigers fans right now I
would like to see Seattle win the World Series? So
I could say, hey, you know what, we took the
World champs to fifteen innings in the last game. Or
are they so hurt and bitter that they would love
to see Seattle lose? A bunch?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
We Tiger fans are completely one confused about how to feel.
I talked to you know on the radio more than Anyboddy,
I think, you know, all the solo shows and come
on after games and everything more Tiger fans and probably anybody,
and there is mixed feelings all over the place and
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torn feelings. You know, you got like ten percent of
them Tiger fans are very angry. It seems to me
this is kind of an informal poll. And then you
got ten percent who are like, you know, the glass
is always you know, one hundred percent full because they
loved the Tigers and they made the playoffs, and then
everybody else is in the confused category. You know, It's like,
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on one hand, yeah, you get to the game five,
and you know, they put in a real good effort
and all those things, and it was exciting.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Games to see.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
It was clearly a better team than that.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But I think it's a.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Lot of frustration about, like, why didn't you do more
at the trade deadline?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
The moves in the off season didn't.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Pan out, and you know, frustrating about how the fundamental
baseball that they displayed so well in the first hundred
games of the year just sell by the wayside, and
they selling a lot of their bad habits offensively.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Someone asked me, Pat, how would you explain the Tiger season?
I said, which one the ninety three game season at
the start, the sixty nine game season at the end,
or playoffs? And almost every one of these games could
have gone either way. You're talking about eight games total,
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and you know there's so much drama involved in every
one of them. But how do you explain what Seattle
has done now? In the Mariners, you know, they played
the same number of endings that Tigers did Friday, and
then they had that wild celebration and then they had
to get on the plane and fly to Toronto, and
everyone said, well, they're certainly not going to win game one,
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and you know, if they could somehow figure out a
way to split and go back to the Emerald City instead,
they just said, why don't we win them both? And
now they're headed home with a great chance to be
in the World Series for the first time.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Well, the thing is, Seattle had a great deal of
pressure on them because they hadn't won a playoff series,
you know, you know, gotten to the Championship Series in
so long and only six times they've been in the
postseason in forty nine years, despite having all these stars.
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So once I think that Dan broke, I think then
they started to play because you could see how uptight
that team seemed to be throughout that series, just uptight.
And secondly, there is no dominant team in the American
League this year. The Toronto Blue Jays are not, you know,
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you know the two thousand and you know nineteen nine,
the Yankees or you know, somebody like that, a great team.
So they're vulnerable, they have holes. They also have that
pressure on them. It's a huge area. They represent an
entire country in a huge metropolitan area, and you know,
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they represent an area that quite frankly, other than the
Raptors one year. It represents playoff disappointment continually considering the
hockey team and what the baseball team since been since,
you know, back in.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
The Joe Carter. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
So there's just this and that's why the window of
opportunity was open for the Tigers, and the Tigers did
not augment their team. If the Tigers had one more
relief pitcher, just one more relief pitcher, there's a hot
you know, like a David Bednarn he did what for
the Tigers, what he did for the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
They would have actually.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
They had a home field advantage mient minimum in the playoffs,
they probably would have had a buy So they did
not do that. I mean, you can't get over it.
They wouldn't have made the playoffs if were not for
Kyle Finnegain, the one player they actually got. Now, these
other teams went out and got other players. So it's
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you know, it's you know, you can you can paint
the frame it any way you want about it, but
it's the bottom line about it. Just one more player
would have made all the difference in the world. The
one player they got, they wouldn't have made the playoffs.
So there was a fundamental miscalculation, Scott Harris, and you know,
and Scott Harris is a smart guy. He's done a
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lot of great things as Tigers GM. Their organization set
up well.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And all that. But you can't just act like.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
There's no window of opportunity, you know, and you know,
go shopping you know for you know, Aisle three at
Aldi and you know, at the trade deadline and then
come out. I mean, it's just didn't make a lot
of sense what they did. Who contributed, Sea Wall contributed,
did Morton contribute?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Nobody did other than sin again, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
And in his contribution was significant?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Did they have you.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Know, in the whole discussion at the news conference, doesn't
bring up Loronzo, doesn't bring up Rassinio, doesn't bring up
the four second you know, well, I actually mcgonaugh gill
may end up playing second base, so they got an
overload there. So it's just a you know, the that's
the issue.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I said that at the time of the deadline.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
The one thing I was wrong about is I thought
I didn't think they needed offense, you know, I thought
it was all about pitching. And I think if they
had gotten that one more solid reliever, you know, I
mean a real good one.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
They would have ended.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Up, you know, having a better chance, but you know,
they needed offense. It turned out because all of a sudden,
you're hitting it approaches were brutal. I mean, you know
Robby Green, you know he swings like he's trying to
chop down a tree, but he's swinging to chop down
the tree.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Above his head.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah, you know, I mean that is such a pronounced
uppercut and there's no situational hitting there.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Tork thaw out of that habit.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And the good moments he had is when he took
the ball the other way. You know, I can't labor
Torreos was heart so I don't want to, you know,
but they just totally went away from what brought them offensively,
and it was it was frustrating. So on one hand,
those were supposedly thrilling games, yet on the other hand,
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for Tiger fans, it was like, oh, so what they
got runners on first and second with nobody out who cares?
They're not going to store and they wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
They wouldn't over and over again.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I was not at that your press conference, and I
don't know Scott Harris other than what I've seen. But
why wasn't a direct question asked about those things? Because
I think it's on so many fans' minds, and you know,
Scott Harris probably deserved a chance to address it. He
(09:12):
wasn't going to bring it up. But I wonder why
they thought that they had to have three catchers rather
than try to win this thing.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, well, I honestly don't know. You know, it's certainly not.
The media has folved. You know, you know, there's a
zillion questions to ask, you know, and you really you
know this Jack, you can ask the most aggressive question
in the world and it really doesn't work in a
news conference setting because you know, everybody gets into just
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talking point mode and you know, kind of dismiss it
and then you know the media person comes off, as
you know, being overly aggressive sometimes and it's for no point.
So I don't know if you know what was happening.
If you're asking me, do I think the writers or
beat writers or a bunch of shills or something?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
No, no, no, no, I got saying that say that
what what? Someone? I just wish someone had said, Look,
we know Dylan Dingler, Uh.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
That question should have should have.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Been asked, but you know it's but you know he
the thing is will he learn from this? You know,
and all the words you can say or whatever don't
mean anything. The actions mean something. So you know, overall
that news conference was just typical of those those type
of news conferences. You know, you weren't going to have
(10:39):
a dramatic moment where like George Purus can yell at
wojo or something. You know, yeah like yeah, yeah, yeah,
look at is.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You know, we're gonna have what it owes. You know,
you know that type of thing.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
It was, Uh, it's just what it was. And you know,
Harris was you know, dodging around on the questions those
type of things. He did the best he could to
explain you know, the accent the positive and you know,
try to explain the so called negative.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
And that was what do you think of a decision?
And I guess it was, you know what we should
have expected based on the entire season for Terrek school
both to leave that game after a thirteen strikeout in
eighteen outs pitch six innings. Could he have gone another ending?
Would that have helped?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I would have help, you know, I I you know, look,
I understand how the games play.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Now, you tell.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Them give me six, give me a hundred pitches, go
all out. That's what we expected you after that, you've
done your part. But that was a little different situation. Yeah,
so you know that's like, hey, whoa, I got through
my six innings. You know, I'm breathing a sigh relief.
I'm going to celebrate. I didn't think that that was
the right tack there, and I think that that was
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a post you're signed for. Why you don't give a
pitcher four hundred million dollars in twenty twenty five or
moving forward if that's the way it's going to be.
Because he pitches his seventh and Flarity pitches one more inning,
then you go into the seventeen tenny you know, as
it is once you put Tommy Cainley out there. With
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all due respect, he's had a fine career and every
time I'm not trying to make fun of him. It's
just a fact that every Tiger fan looked at that
and it was like planning a white flag on the mound,
and you knew it was over at that point. And
because Seattle had castile in there, which wasn't like Errek's
Google but like the next best thing. So they had
(12:43):
no chance. From that point on, it was done. It
was basically, hey, the game's over. Maybe it'll go on
another inning and they'll get lucky against Castile. They weren't
going to hit him. Everybody knew that. So, yeah, you
needed another inning from Flarity because he would have given
you a chance. He was fighting his guts out out there,
you know, great respect for the way he didn't have it,
(13:05):
and he went out there and fought like crazy. But uh,
you know, and certainly with Scooble, you know seven any
you can give him seven, youre his arm wasn't gonna
fall off at one hundred and twenty pitches he struck
out route no, no, so you know, I mean, I
just uh, I didn't understand it. It's the mindset of
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the game right now. A lot of people would say,
you know, you don't you do you understand the score
here better?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Now, why would you say that?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Not in game five the American Division Series or not?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
We're talking about it.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, no, we're yeah, and uh, you know he's op
you know, it's completely different, and I don't know if
and that tells you why you don't give a starting pitcher,
like what you used to give a starting pitcher. Can
you imagine Verlin if they tried to not have him
start the seventh.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It would have been fun to see.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, I mean him and Leland, I can just imagine that.
And uh, you know, those two very frank people. And
I've seen him be frank with each other before, you know,
and then off the record setting you know, it's remindful
of Tom watching him at basketball practice sometimes, you know,
because they speak very frankly, right, you know, they're both
you know, competitors, they love each other and uh, you
(14:30):
know then same with like Jack. Jack would have you know,
would have been Mount Morris, there would have been a volcano.
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So in school it was like, yeah, I did my
job and whatever. And he's a competitor.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
And I'm not saying, you know, but that's the way
they're trained now. And it's that that that part of
it's not good for the game.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, Pat very quickly. Witch Tigers that we watched in
the playoffs will not be back next year and will
Trek school Bo's last year Maybe it already was as
a Tiger or will it be next year at the
trade deadline? Will it be at the end of the
season as far as the Tigers go next year, or
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is there any chance you could see him pitching for
Detroit in twenty thirty.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
You know, just to be the whole thing with Borrows,
the Tigers relationship with him, Yeah, where you know, the
perception of it is I don't see him signing, but
you know that could change, and that's up to Terror
Schoogle quite frankly so.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
But if he goes with his agent, then.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
He won't come back. He has to step in and
say I want to pitch there, and that may be
hard because there'll you know, if one team, it just
takes one team to break out of it, like it
did with a Freed last year or Snell, and then
the price is going to go way up beyond what
it should be. And so and if it as is,
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the Tigers just bitten against themselves because they're going to
wait it out Luis. That's his strategy of his agent.
So you know, I don't see that. I don't see
him pitching as well in twenty thirty as he is
in this year either. All Right, He's gonna be what
thirty three thirty four years old, So it's just the
whole dynamic of it is it juxtaposed with you got
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a fan base that is constantly and they can't get
this out of their mind.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
They just can't.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
It really hasn't been the Tigers lack of money spent
that's been their problem, and it wasn't this year for sure,
and it wasn't at the trade deadline because they added
significantly to their payroll.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Just threw money away.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Actually, but I don't see Finnegan back. I don't see
Correz back. And I think they have to make a
decision on Casey buys because he's getting higher up there.
He's going to be a free agent. Not too did
the future and Green and Torque, those guys, you know,
moving into arbitration area. They're going to have to decide,
you know, whether they want to make value for value trades,
(16:55):
which I tend to doubt that this general manager will
do based on his track record so far, even despite
what the his uh you know, people that he worked
for before he came here had different way of doing it,
and uh, I think that's where it is. And then
some auxiliary parts, you know, uh, you know, would be
like the windshell Perez is the uh Parker Vedos. Those
(17:19):
type of players, they got to decide where they fit
into their chain based on what they're doing, uh, with
some of their prospects and things.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You know that will come in.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Matt Berlin, that's another one that falls into that category.
We forget about him, you know. And uh, you know,
Jake Rogers is another one. You know, one of those
catchers going to be ready or what are they going
to do? Uh, Jake Rodgers will have a pretty good salary.
Is it worth keeping him you know, one more year
at this point and or moving into a different direction
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with Dingler's emergence, and you know, they got a lot
of questions, you know. The Roley Green, Uh, I feel
like he has to work on his athleticism. It's gone
down quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
It has the winds above his winds above replacement was
half of what it was a year before, despite those
prodigious power numbers and Spencer Torkleson, you know, has to
stay on the same path that when he's doing well,
he can't fall out of that, you know, category because
he's not as good a player when he you know, kind.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Of loses that doughty or you know, to hit the
ball the other way.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
In key situations. Right.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I'm glad that you mentioned Riley Green's athleticism because everyone
complains about the strikeouts, and there's plenty to complain about.
But when he came up pat and I remember watching
him here going against the lug Nuts, and he wasn't
a slow guy.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I mean he was he was very.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Richie Henderson or something on the left fielders, but you know,
he was a certain able to show some athleticism. And
now watching him is like plotting out there running the
bases are on left field and he's not that old.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Well he's only twenty four years old, so you know,
but I don't understand. Well, it isn't about your eyeballs
and my eyeballs, it's about the you know, you can
go to baseballs of arms. See what the Doppler radar technology,
which is to the empty three says about that range
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in the field. You know, he's throwing arms, you know,
just really really you you know, I mean, you know
there has to be more of that and you know,
cut down of his swing in certain situations so he
can have his cake and eat it too, you know,
be able to get a hit with you know, runners
on second and third and nobody out in the line
of base hit instead of just you know, taking the
(19:53):
uppercuts wing for forever. So you've got a lot of
work to do on that. But it starts at that
ass And I don't know, remember we're kind of running
like that, you know, that form that he has right now.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I don't know where that all came from or if
there's some.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Foot I don't. You look at him. And I was
a high school track coach and when I had a
guy who ran like that, we gave him three days off.
I mean, he just looks like he's uncomfortable out there.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, it's uh, you know, it's notable. He was in
the bottom forty percent of the MLB runners in foot speed.
He used to be above that, you know, above the
halfway point. So and when he was in the minor league,
one of the things there was a knock on him
that he didn't have speed. But then the Tigers are
testing him in the sixty yard dash and he ran
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slightly above major league average. And then he had shown
that like when he was at Connecticut and then West
Michigan where you saw him if he moved up to
the team.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, Pat, thanks so much for your time, really appreciate
it to help.
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I see it a game soon, all right, man, take it.
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Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It is a drive with Jack the Spotlight Radio Network.
Jack Eblin here with my producer Boston Rob. I want
to thank the great down Fisher and Darien Harris for
joining us. Now we're going to talk some baseball and
want to welcome in the book Pat Caputo from ninety
seven one the Ticket, Pat, how do you describe in
(01:05):
twenty five words or less what we watched Friday night
in Seattle?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Utter frustration, utter bitterness at the end anger, yet juxtaposed
with great effort.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
You did it in fifteen words, very concise.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Thank you. You know I kept those leads.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Pretty low, you know, I did a number of years
and as.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So do you think most Tigers fans right now I
would like to see Seattle win the World Series? So
I could say, hey, you know what, we took the
World champs to fifteen innings in the last game. Or
are they so hurt and bitter that they would love
to see Seattle lose? A bunch?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
We Tiger fans are completely one confused about how to feel.
I talked to you know on the radio more than Anyboddy,
I think, you know, all the solo shows and come
on after games and everything more Tiger fans and probably anybody,
and there is mixed feelings all over the place and
(02:16):
torn feelings. You know, you got like ten percent of
them Tiger fans are very angry. It seems to me
this is kind of an informal poll. And then you
got ten percent who are like, you know, the glass
is always you know, one hundred percent full because they
loved the Tigers and they made the playoffs, and then
everybody else is in the confused category. You know, It's like,
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on one hand, yeah, you get to the game five,
and you know, they put in a real good effort
and all those things, and it was exciting.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Games to see.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
It was clearly a better team than that.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But I think it's a.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Lot of frustration about, like, why didn't you do more
at the trade deadline?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
The moves in the off season didn't.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Pan out, and you know, frustrating about how the fundamental
baseball that they displayed so well in the first hundred
games of the year just sell by the wayside, and
they selling a lot of their bad habits offensively.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Someone asked me, Pat, how would you explain the Tiger season?
I said, which one the ninety three game season at
the start, the sixty nine game season at the end,
or playoffs? And almost every one of these games could
have gone either way. You're talking about eight games total,
(03:36):
and you know there's so much drama involved in every
one of them. But how do you explain what Seattle
has done now? In the Mariners, you know, they played
the same number of endings that Tigers did Friday, and
then they had that wild celebration and then they had
to get on the plane and fly to Toronto, and
everyone said, well, they're certainly not going to win game one,
(03:57):
and you know, if they could somehow figure out a
way to split and go back to the Emerald City instead,
they just said, why don't we win them both? And
now they're headed home with a great chance to be
in the World Series for the first time.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Well, the thing is, Seattle had a great deal of
pressure on them because they hadn't won a playoff series,
you know, you know, gotten to the Championship Series in
so long and only six times they've been in the
postseason in forty nine years, despite having all these stars.
(04:33):
So once I think that Dan broke, I think then
they started to play because you could see how uptight
that team seemed to be throughout that series, just uptight.
And secondly, there is no dominant team in the American
League this year. The Toronto Blue Jays are not, you know,
(04:55):
you know the two thousand and you know nineteen nine,
the Yankees or you know, somebody like that, a great team.
So they're vulnerable, they have holes. They also have that
pressure on them. It's a huge area. They represent an
entire country in a huge metropolitan area, and you know,
(05:18):
they represent an area that quite frankly, other than the
Raptors one year. It represents playoff disappointment continually considering the
hockey team and what the baseball team since been since,
you know, back in.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
The Joe Carter. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
So there's just this and that's why the window of
opportunity was open for the Tigers, and the Tigers did
not augment their team. If the Tigers had one more
relief pitcher, just one more relief pitcher, there's a hot
you know, like a David Bednarn he did what for
the Tigers, what he did for the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
They would have actually.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
They had a home field advantage mient minimum in the playoffs,
they probably would have had a buy So they did
not do that. I mean, you can't get over it.
They wouldn't have made the playoffs if were not for
Kyle Finnegain, the one player they actually got. Now, these
other teams went out and got other players. So it's
(06:22):
you know, it's you know, you can you can paint
the frame it any way you want about it, but
it's the bottom line about it. Just one more player
would have made all the difference in the world. The
one player they got, they wouldn't have made the playoffs.
So there was a fundamental miscalculation, Scott Harris, and you know,
and Scott Harris is a smart guy. He's done a
(06:44):
lot of great things as Tigers GM. Their organization set
up well.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And all that. But you can't just act like.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
There's no window of opportunity, you know, and you know,
go shopping you know for you know, Aisle three at
Aldi and you know, at the trade deadline and then
come out. I mean, it's just didn't make a lot
of sense what they did. Who contributed, Sea Wall contributed,
did Morton contribute?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Nobody did other than sin again, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
And in his contribution was significant?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Did they have you.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Know, in the whole discussion at the news conference, doesn't
bring up Loronzo, doesn't bring up Rassinio, doesn't bring up
the four second you know, well, I actually mcgonaugh gill
may end up playing second base, so they got an
overload there. So it's just a you know, the that's
the issue.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I said that at the time of the deadline.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
The one thing I was wrong about is I thought
I didn't think they needed offense, you know, I thought
it was all about pitching. And I think if they
had gotten that one more solid reliever, you know, I
mean a real good one.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
They would have ended.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Up, you know, having a better chance, but you know,
they needed offense. It turned out because all of a sudden,
you're hitting it approaches were brutal. I mean, you know
Robby Green, you know he swings like he's trying to
chop down a tree, but he's swinging to chop down
the tree.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Above his head.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah, you know, I mean that is such a pronounced
uppercut and there's no situational hitting there.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Tork thaw out of that habit.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And the good moments he had is when he took
the ball the other way. You know, I can't labor
Torreos was heart so I don't want to, you know,
but they just totally went away from what brought them offensively,
and it was it was frustrating. So on one hand,
those were supposedly thrilling games, yet on the other hand,
(08:41):
for Tiger fans, it was like, oh, so what they
got runners on first and second with nobody out who cares?
They're not going to store and they wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
They wouldn't over and over again.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I was not at that your press conference, and I
don't know Scott Harris other than what I've seen. But
why wasn't a direct question asked about those things? Because
I think it's on so many fans' minds, and you know,
Scott Harris probably deserved a chance to address it. He
(09:12):
wasn't going to bring it up. But I wonder why
they thought that they had to have three catchers rather
than try to win this thing.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, well, I honestly don't know. You know, it's certainly not.
The media has folved. You know, you know, there's a
zillion questions to ask, you know, and you really you
know this Jack, you can ask the most aggressive question
in the world and it really doesn't work in a
news conference setting because you know, everybody gets into just
(09:44):
talking point mode and you know, kind of dismiss it
and then you know the media person comes off, as
you know, being overly aggressive sometimes and it's for no point.
So I don't know if you know what was happening.
If you're asking me, do I think the writers or
beat writers or a bunch of shills or something?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
No, no, no, no, I got saying that say that
what what? Someone? I just wish someone had said, Look,
we know Dylan Dingler, Uh.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
That question should have should have.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Been asked, but you know it's but you know he
the thing is will he learn from this? You know,
and all the words you can say or whatever don't
mean anything. The actions mean something. So you know, overall
that news conference was just typical of those those type
of news conferences. You know, you weren't going to have
(10:39):
a dramatic moment where like George Purus can yell at
wojo or something. You know, yeah like yeah, yeah, yeah,
look at is.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You know, we're gonna have what it owes. You know,
you know that type of thing.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
It was, Uh, it's just what it was. And you know,
Harris was you know, dodging around on the questions those
type of things. He did the best he could to
explain you know, the accent the positive and you know,
try to explain the so called negative.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
And that was what do you think of a decision?
And I guess it was, you know what we should
have expected based on the entire season for Terrek school
both to leave that game after a thirteen strikeout in
eighteen outs pitch six innings. Could he have gone another ending?
Would that have helped?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I would have help, you know, I I you know, look,
I understand how the games play.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Now, you tell.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Them give me six, give me a hundred pitches, go
all out. That's what we expected you after that, you've
done your part. But that was a little different situation. Yeah,
so you know that's like, hey, whoa, I got through
my six innings. You know, I'm breathing a sigh relief.
I'm going to celebrate. I didn't think that that was
the right tack there, and I think that that was
(11:59):
a post you're signed for. Why you don't give a
pitcher four hundred million dollars in twenty twenty five or
moving forward if that's the way it's going to be.
Because he pitches his seventh and Flarity pitches one more inning,
then you go into the seventeen tenny you know, as
it is once you put Tommy Cainley out there. With
(12:22):
all due respect, he's had a fine career and every
time I'm not trying to make fun of him. It's
just a fact that every Tiger fan looked at that
and it was like planning a white flag on the mound,
and you knew it was over at that point. And
because Seattle had castile in there, which wasn't like Errek's
Google but like the next best thing. So they had
(12:43):
no chance. From that point on, it was done. It
was basically, hey, the game's over. Maybe it'll go on
another inning and they'll get lucky against Castile. They weren't
going to hit him. Everybody knew that. So, yeah, you
needed another inning from Flarity because he would have given
you a chance. He was fighting his guts out out there,
you know, great respect for the way he didn't have it,
(13:05):
and he went out there and fought like crazy. But uh,
you know, and certainly with Scooble, you know seven any
you can give him seven, youre his arm wasn't gonna
fall off at one hundred and twenty pitches he struck
out route no, no, so you know, I mean, I
just uh, I didn't understand it. It's the mindset of
(13:28):
the game right now. A lot of people would say,
you know, you don't you do you understand the score
here better?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Now, why would you say that?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Not in game five the American Division Series or not?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
We're talking about it.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, no, we're yeah, and uh, you know he's op
you know, it's completely different, and I don't know if
and that tells you why you don't give a starting pitcher,
like what you used to give a starting pitcher. Can
you imagine Verlin if they tried to not have him
start the seventh.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It would have been fun to see.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, I mean him and Leland, I can just imagine that.
And uh, you know, those two very frank people. And
I've seen him be frank with each other before, you know,
and then off the record setting you know, it's remindful
of Tom watching him at basketball practice sometimes, you know,
because they speak very frankly, right, you know, they're both
you know, competitors, they love each other and uh, you
(14:30):
know then same with like Jack. Jack would have you know,
would have been Mount Morris, there would have been a volcano.
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So in school it was like, yeah, I did my
job and whatever. And he's a competitor.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
And I'm not saying, you know, but that's the way
they're trained now. And it's that that that part of
it's not good for the game.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, Pat very quickly. Witch Tigers that we watched in
the playoffs will not be back next year and will
Trek school Bo's last year Maybe it already was as
a Tiger or will it be next year at the
trade deadline? Will it be at the end of the
season as far as the Tigers go next year, or
(15:11):
is there any chance you could see him pitching for
Detroit in twenty thirty.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
You know, just to be the whole thing with Borrows,
the Tigers relationship with him, Yeah, where you know, the
perception of it is I don't see him signing, but
you know that could change, and that's up to Terror
Schoogle quite frankly so.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
But if he goes with his agent, then.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
He won't come back. He has to step in and
say I want to pitch there, and that may be
hard because there'll you know, if one team, it just
takes one team to break out of it, like it
did with a Freed last year or Snell, and then
the price is going to go way up beyond what
it should be. And so and if it as is,
(15:54):
the Tigers just bitten against themselves because they're going to
wait it out Luis. That's his strategy of his agent.
So you know, I don't see that. I don't see
him pitching as well in twenty thirty as he is
in this year either. All Right, He's gonna be what
thirty three thirty four years old, So it's just the
whole dynamic of it is it juxtaposed with you got
(16:14):
a fan base that is constantly and they can't get
this out of their mind.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
They just can't.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
It really hasn't been the Tigers lack of money spent
that's been their problem, and it wasn't this year for sure,
and it wasn't at the trade deadline because they added
significantly to their payroll.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Just threw money away.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Actually, but I don't see Finnegan back. I don't see
Correz back. And I think they have to make a
decision on Casey buys because he's getting higher up there.
He's going to be a free agent. Not too did
the future and Green and Torque, those guys, you know,
moving into arbitration area. They're going to have to decide,
you know, whether they want to make value for value trades,
(16:55):
which I tend to doubt that this general manager will
do based on his track record so far, even despite
what the his uh you know, people that he worked
for before he came here had different way of doing it,
and uh, I think that's where it is. And then
some auxiliary parts, you know, uh, you know, would be
like the windshell Perez is the uh Parker Vedos. Those
(17:19):
type of players, they got to decide where they fit
into their chain based on what they're doing, uh, with
some of their prospects and things.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You know that will come in.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Matt Berlin, that's another one that falls into that category.
We forget about him, you know. And uh, you know,
Jake Rogers is another one. You know, one of those
catchers going to be ready or what are they going
to do? Uh, Jake Rodgers will have a pretty good salary.
Is it worth keeping him you know, one more year
at this point and or moving into a different direction
(17:53):
with Dingler's emergence, and you know, they got a lot
of questions, you know. The Roley Green, Uh, I feel
like he has to work on his athleticism. It's gone
down quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
It has the winds above his winds above replacement was
half of what it was a year before, despite those
prodigious power numbers and Spencer Torkleson, you know, has to
stay on the same path that when he's doing well,
he can't fall out of that, you know, category because
he's not as good a player when he you know, kind.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Of loses that doughty or you know, to hit the
ball the other way.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
In key situations. Right.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I'm glad that you mentioned Riley Green's athleticism because everyone
complains about the strikeouts, and there's plenty to complain about.
But when he came up pat and I remember watching
him here going against the lug Nuts, and he wasn't
a slow guy.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I mean he was he was very.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Richie Henderson or something on the left fielders, but you know,
he was a certain able to show some athleticism. And
now watching him is like plotting out there running the
bases are on left field and he's not that old.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Well he's only twenty four years old, so you know,
but I don't understand. Well, it isn't about your eyeballs
and my eyeballs, it's about the you know, you can
go to baseballs of arms. See what the Doppler radar technology,
which is to the empty three says about that range
(19:31):
in the field. You know, he's throwing arms, you know,
just really really you you know, I mean, you know
there has to be more of that and you know,
cut down of his swing in certain situations so he
can have his cake and eat it too, you know,
be able to get a hit with you know, runners
on second and third and nobody out in the line
of base hit instead of just you know, taking the
(19:53):
uppercuts wing for forever. So you've got a lot of
work to do on that. But it starts at that
ass And I don't know, remember we're kind of running
like that, you know, that form that he has right now.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I don't know where that all came from or if
there's some.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Foot I don't. You look at him. And I was
a high school track coach and when I had a
guy who ran like that, we gave him three days off.
I mean, he just looks like he's uncomfortable out there.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, it's uh, you know, it's notable. He was in
the bottom forty percent of the MLB runners in foot speed.
He used to be above that, you know, above the
halfway point. So and when he was in the minor league,
one of the things there was a knock on him
that he didn't have speed. But then the Tigers are
testing him in the sixty yard dash and he ran
(20:41):
slightly above major league average. And then he had shown
that like when he was at Connecticut and then West
Michigan where you saw him if he moved up to
the team.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, Pat, thanks so much for your time, really appreciate
it to help.
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I see it a game soon, all right, man, take it.
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