*Rainer Sabin, Detroit Free Press

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:40):
It is a drive a Jack Spotlight Radio Network. Jack
Ebling here with my producer Boston Rob.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Rob. We do have our next guest on the line, correct, Yes,
we do.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Just noticed here that Michigan State setting another record. They
are a twenty seven and a half point under to Indiana.
Let me say that again. Michigan State is a twenty
seven and a half point underdog to Indiana. That has
never happened before in the history of the two programs,

(01:12):
and Michigan State's had some down years, but Indiana has more.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
And some more news real quick. Adam Jeffers reporting that
Brian Branch he has been suspended one game without pay
due to his shenanigans after last night's game.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yes, yes, saw that, and also saw that there's another
coaching change in the National Football League. Titans fired Callahan today,
so he did make it one game longer, one day
longer than James Franklin. All right, we want to go
back to our guest line and welcome in Rhyiner Saban

(01:50):
from the Detroit Free Press. Reiner, what happened to the
Lions last night? I don't think anyone thought that would
be easy going into air ahead, but Kansas City made
more big plays and looked like the more composed team.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
Yeah, I agree, and I mean again, a lot of
it has to do with what's going on with the secondary.
I mean, they're down there to starting corners DJ Reid
and Terry and Arnold you know both both Bryan Branch,
who obviously is now suspended, but and Kirby Joseph were
also battling lingering injuries there too, So the whole you know,

(02:36):
it was banged up, and that kind of put an
additional strain on the linebackers. And you know, Kevin Shepherd
has made some changes schematically to account for what's going
on in the secondary, play a lot more zone and
also not blissing as much. And so I think that

(02:58):
kind of factored into they're not playing the style of
football that they typically play, and I think that's having
a negative effect on the entire defense.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, and now with Baker Mayfield coming in, so you
got to think that he is pretty excited about this.
He's got a chance to really bolster his MVP case.
And you're talking about a team that's five and one.

(03:30):
I said I didn't think the Lions would lose a
home game this year. I might be backtracking on that one.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
Yeah, I mean it's not looking great. I mean I
wonder what they're going to do as far as you
know how they have to handle some of these injuries.
You know, they had the buye week coming up right
after it, and they might want to get some of
these guys right too. So I mean there's there's some
cost benefit, you know, that they have to weigh as

(03:58):
far as you know how, unless they want to give
these guys a go and really that you know it
is something that they want to do given the long
term implications there. I mean, I was talking to Taylor Decker,
you know, and that's part of the reason why he's
been held out the last couple of weeks. They're playing
more towards the end of the season. I think that

(04:18):
was the mistake that they that's kind of in the
back of their minds of what happened last year was
that they were kind of playing for the regular season
and by the end of the regular season they didn't
have anybody else on defense, and the injuries they accumulated
to such a degree that they were kind of a
shelf and for themselves by the time they played in

(04:41):
the playoffs, and then you saw what happens in that
NMC Divisional round game against Washington. So I think they're
starting to think more big picture, long term, and that's
what they're doing with Taylor Decker right now. And so
I wonder if that's also going to factor into whether
they want to play Kirby Joseph in a game that
they're already we have so many people down in their
secondary I mean, is it better to hold him out

(05:04):
and play for a game that you might actually have
a better chance of winning down the road and also
you know, again, preserving your health open the long term.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
And they do have a bye week coming right after this,
right right.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
Right exactly, and that's that's that's the whole thing I want.
I do wonder you know what the calculus is there
and how they're weighing everything just to get to the
bye week and get past that and hopefully you have
everybody a little bit healthier and ready for a stretch run,
you know, I mean again, I mean, the bye week
comes out a good time. It's you know, it's a

(05:40):
later bye week and it's kind of a smack dab
in the middle, so that's pretty good. And so you
can't really complain about that. I mean, you know, they
had a very early bye week I think last year.
So sometimes the bye week is really important, just the
timing of it so and how it has an effect
on the rest of the season for out of these teams,

(06:01):
because obviously the best ability in the NFL is availability.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Right right exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, you would think that that would mean a big
day for Tampa Bay, and you know it could be
Tampa Bay could witness game if the Lions had everyone healthy.
But sometimes in the National Football League and in all
pro sports, really we see just when we least expect
something to happen, a team comes together. I thought Denver

(06:31):
was playing really well, and then they should have lost
to the Jets yesterday. I'm looking at Seattle here in
this America League Championship series, and writer, they play a
fifteen inning marathon with the Tigers.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Then they have all the celebration.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
And champagne and interviews and pictures, and finally they scrape
these guys onto a plane fly him across country.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
They rally last night with three.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Runs, and they're already up three nothing today after half
an ending at Toronto. So you know, what do we know?
Just when we think we know something, we don't know it.
As you look at this Lion's team right now, how
concerned are you that they're going to be in a

(07:24):
dogfight for the division title with Green Bay? And how
much does that really matter?

Speaker 6 (07:33):
I mean, I do you think it matters? Obviously? You know,
if you end up in the wild card, you're I
mean there's a good change to point on the road
to open and obviously your road to the Super Bowl
is much tougher. Uh. You know, given the fact that
you're going to be playing some road games and having
to play all all three weeks, you know, to get

(07:54):
to the super Bowl. So yeah, I do think it
does have a huge, uh a big effect on your
chance system to get to the super Bowl once you
once you make the playoffs, you know. And I do
think that that that matchup is is difficult for for
the Lions, just because of the style of defense that

(08:17):
they play. You know, specifically they try to keep everything
underneath and you know, the make make the Lions, you know,
go the distance, and that was was a very effective
strategy in that game. And plus they have enough tools
and if you know, Jayden Reid gets back healthy, I
mean for that matchup, I mean that's going to be

(08:37):
a factor too. I mean, like I mean, he he
was definitely dangerous and that a week one game, and
so yeah, I think given uh, just the kind of
the way that that team is composed, I think they're
they're a tough matchup for the for the Lions.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
All Right, I want to talk a little bit about
college football, something you know very well and from the
SEC and up to the Big Ten and all the
work you did here covering Michigan and Michigan State. I
said during the interview with Bob Trippy our last segment

(09:19):
that I think the loser of the game on October
twenty fifth and Spartan Stadium is going to have a
new head coach next year, and maybe they both will,
but I don't think the loser of that game is
going to be back.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, Kigvitchy case can
be made. You know, it proves you're right. I mean that,
I mean obviously more so for I think Smith than
Charone at this point, just because I don't think ward
Maniumal wants to admit that mistake in year two. But

(10:02):
if you lose to Michigan State, given where they were,
you know, obviously a couple of years ago coming up
a national championship, to where they would be after a
loss like that, I think it would be devastating. And
I don't even think an Ohio State win for a
second year in the road and probably save him in
that case, because I don't think people would accept it

(10:23):
because they wouldn't. They would see what happened last year
that you know, the Ohio State win was probably a fluke,
and in the long run, you can't really put much
stock in that. So the bigger picture is the fact
that Sharon has been underwhelming, to say the least, and

(10:44):
you know, from a fundamental standpoint, and I don't think
you know, again, he shows up at a press conference today
in that blue collar jacket, which is again just an
example of how he really has no identity. It's just,
you know, a kind of a weaker, more diluted version
of Jim Harbaugh and so and then you have Jonathan Smith.

(11:05):
You again, his big miss was that Rutgers game last November.
And you know, if he wins that game and they
go to a bowl game, there's some momentum, some tangible
sign of progress, and he didn't get that done. And
ever since then, it's just kind of it's faded even

(11:25):
more and the fan interest has gone down. And the
fact is, you know, as you've seen time and time
again in the press conference, he shows no enthusiasm. And
I don't also get the sense that you really have
settled in here comfortably. He seems like a fish out
of water, get you know, from the West Coast. And

(11:47):
I don't know's it is weird. I mean sometimes people
you know, again, it's a wrong fit and I just
get the sense that for whatever reason, it's wrong. But now,
I thought I was very encouraged by the hire when
they made it, and I thought he was one of
the better candidates out there. I mean, he looked like
he was very competent and a program builder. But in

(12:08):
this day and age, you have to accelerate that at
a much faster pace than what he did at Oregon
State right now, you know, six years ago. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, And it's interesting, Ryiner that fans alums think that
their school should never lose and that they can get
someone who's going to come in and pull a Signetti.
The reason that that's so amazing is that you know,
it's never happened before at Indiana and before many other places.

(12:41):
You know, that's that's one in five hundred that you're
going to have that kind of success, And sometimes you
know it can be worse, although you would have a
hard time convincing a lot of Michigan State fans right
now that it could be that much worse. Whenever you
have a former player come back into your stadium score
three touch downs and say that your team quit. Uh,

(13:03):
you didn't actually say they quit, They said they didn't
want to keep playing, which is roughly the same thing.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Uh, then that's a right.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
Yeah, then it's not fully accurate. I mean you should
have just said it was not accurate. I mean, did
say that means that there was some part of it
that wasn't accurate? Yeah, you know, and yeah, yeah, that's
that's concerning, Like I don't I mean, maybe maybe you
just misspoke or or what. But I mean, if if

(13:33):
you're being an armchair psychologist, you would have thought that
was a little bit of a slip there. That may
have been an admission of that. And it did look like,
you know, again, this team is kind of I don't
know what go of the rope, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, I I came a chance to answer a question today.
I said, you know, what would you tell fans who
come back one game a year for homecoming and sat
through that, or or boosters friends of the program who
have money and they're trying to decide whether they're all

(14:14):
in or not. And he didn't say anything that moved
me that motivated me.

Speaker 7 (14:20):
To eat.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
If I were a potential season ticket older to say, man,
I got to get on here before this team really
gets going, or you know, I want to give some
money because you know, there are a couple of players away.
In Michigan, State is always two players away from being
two players away.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Yeah, I mean it's a little bit alarming now. So
I mean the fact that they've had some decommitments in
the last week and yeah, some of the more high
profile players, and that was an area that he's been
struggled with. He struggled with the whole time he's been here,
recruiting out of the high school right now. I mean again,
he was known as a talent developer. He you know,

(15:02):
he's got some fringe recruits at Oregon State, I mean
two and three star guys and made them into NFL
type players. But again, in this dayna, it's much harder
to you know, have patients and develop guys.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
He didn't win there until year four.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well, he ain't going to get a year four here
if he has three losing seasons.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Three Yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:26):
And the other thing is that he may develop those guys,
but then they might end up leaving for more than
I l go to In Alabama. I mean, look look
at Geno Vanda Bark and you know, uh, you know
those types that uh, you know, did spend time and
looked like they were going to be there. Derek Harmon
for instance, I mean, you know again that I mean,
it's an uncomfortable position for Michigan State to be and

(15:48):
we're they're a feeder program for some of the you know,
the top brands, and and I don't think they want
to be there. But that's the risk you run when
you hire a talent developer like you need almost somebody
like you know that that brings in, you know, a
person who you know, or it can bring in people

(16:09):
that are ready made who definitely want to spend the
year or two at Michigan State. And that to me,
you know, it's looked at as a destination program. It's
gonna be hard to get Michigan State though at that
at that level, I mean, based on what's happened over
the last three or four years. And I think that's

(16:30):
the problem he's also fighting against, is that what's the
image of Michigan State at the moment and what it
looked like by everybody, including potential coaching candidates and also
players themselves in the high school and even in the
college ranks right now. Do they want to go to
Michigan State and think that that's the place that they

(16:53):
could be successful.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Right now, they probably don't if they have other options.
If they have other opportunities, I don't know many players
who are going to say, yeah, you know, I can't
decide between Michigan State and Ohio State. But I think
there's more a Michigan State. I haven't met that person yet.
The other thing that's interesting with this reiner is the

(17:17):
specter of Signetti and the memories of D'Antonio. People tell
me in the last week, you know, don't tell me
it can't be done. D'Antonio did it well. It was
a very different universe in those days, and half of
the three star players that Mark found and developed would
have left in this day and age. Also, you have

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to remember, and I'm not criticizing Mark D'Antonio any way,
shape or form. I think what he did was one
of the three most miraculous coaching performances we've seen in
this conference. But he did that when Michigan was going
through its free.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Fall from Lloyd.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Carr to Rich Rodriguez and then on to Brady Oak
and even Jim Arbaugh before things got out of control.
And if you look at Ohio State, they had the
worst season in school history, the losing is season. They'd
never lost seven games before. When Jim Tressel was forced

(18:23):
out and Luke Fickel took over. That was as bad
as Ohio State football has ever been. And then pet
State had the Jerry Sandusky saga, which led to Joe
Paterno's ouster Saint Joe Jettison and also Ryiner. This was

(18:45):
before Oregon, it was before USC and Washington played for
a national title two years ago. So don't sleep on
the Huskies. Those are three teams that come in and automatic.
I know fans here don't want to hear this. They
have more to offer than Michigan State does.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
True, I mean, and I mean again, another other program
that benefited from that down period was Wisconsin, you know,
I mean, and look where it's continent now, yes, and
so uh yeah, I mean, the big Big Tennis changed
a lot since D'Antoni. Now, I think, obviously I agree
with you, D'Antoni did up been you know again, like

(19:27):
you said, BOROWI miraculous job with the consistent winning and
getting that program up to that level, which again was
rather unprecedented than the modern modern era. But the you know,
It's just interesting to me though, that you know, Signetti

(19:48):
is such a again, like I think it's an outlier
because he was able to pull whatever the players, the
amount of players that he pulled from James Madison, they
ended up being the right kind of guys. I mean, look,
Jonathan Smith brought people from from you know, Oregon State,
Childs and doing. I don't think they've had the impact
that some of the guys and strangely enough Signety brought

(20:09):
from James Madison, which is a lower, lower program, have
had at Indiana. I mean, the Sirat kid and Kamara,
those guys have been really like top level players in
college football for the last couple of years, you know.
And it's just it's just a bizarre situation that I
don't think, I mean again, could be replicated anywhere, and

(20:30):
I don't think is going to be replicated anywhere. I
think this is kind of a unicorn situation.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
And fans, I mean, you love them, They're the reason
we do this show, but so many of them are
frankly delusional. And I've heard people say the following in
the Louleague. Okay, why don't why does the Michigan State
just have Ishbia and everybody else throw so much money

(20:59):
at sign that he leaves Indiana. First of all, he's
not going to leave Indiana. Okay, sixty four years old
and he's the king right now, and he's not going
to try to have another rebuild. Plus Indiana is paying
him more than Michigan State is paying Jonathan Smith, by
the way. And then people said, well, you know what
they need to do, They just need to get Saban

(21:22):
to come out of retirement. You know that one really
had me laughing. Or or you know urban Meyer now
you know he's probably getting itchy. You know, urban Meyer
is smart enough. Okay, you can talk about his character
or lack thereof, but he's smart enough to know he
is not going to go into a job where there's

(21:42):
no talent and it's going to be a massive rebuild.
If he takes a job, it's going to be at
a place where he thinks he can win and win immediately.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
Soolicheck, I mean it's the same a place that Frankly,
the roster than great, but he might have made it
worse with the uh it was the talent infusion that
he brought in there too, But I mean that's a
That's a perfect example of again go into a situation
where it's not ideal and then and it's you know,

(22:16):
already looking pretty pretty rough there, uh for him, and
he's he's a guy's won six super Bowls, so it's uh,
it's a little bit uh, you know again situational based,
and a lot of these guys are a lot a
lot more judicious and how they should go about choosing

(22:38):
job opportunities. And I agree with you, yes, I don't
think Irvan Meyer is doing that. And I sortainly I
don't think Nick Saban's going to be doing that. I mean,
he's got his nice home in Florida and seems to
like the warm weather, so you know, I think I
don't think he's racing to come back to East Lands
in uh, you know, as much as that would be
a you know, a fascinating story, but yeah, it's just

(23:03):
it's it's tough. It's a tough time. I think at
MSU and I think, you know, it is a tough
time and some of these other programs again you know,
I Wisconsin, uh, you know, and it's going to only
probably get tougher, especially if you know, the college football
continues to get remade into where there's like much more

(23:26):
of a have and have not system, because you know,
you're going to see a lot of programs that you
know are used to nine, ten eleven win seasons going
to drop into it, you know, eight seven win tier,
especially if it if it gets more consolidated.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, and Michigan State take out those years with d Antonio,
those six years. It's basically a five hundred program for
the last six decades.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
Right, right, I mean it actually goes to show you
how remarkable twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
One was one yes, yes, yeah, a bottle and you know,
I don't really do what he had, but you knew
enough that it led to a ten year, ninety five
million dollar contract, right, So.

Speaker 6 (24:16):
Was the confluensive things because he had I mean when
you think of that, I mean Peydon Thorne was a
five average Big ten quarterback. Then you had obviously Kenneth Walker,
who was you know, elite Heisman Trophy level. But then
you had two really good receivers, I mean like Jane
Reid and Joy and Naylor, I mean, you know, are
both you know, high level NFL players. So I mean

(24:37):
like there was a lot offense firepower on that team.
The people don't, and that's how they were able to
get away with it. I mean a really not so
great defense. I mean the defense was very Pooriss was
giving up and it looks, you know again, that's the
one thing that they haven't resolved right since Dantonio is
the defense. I mean, that's really been the been the

(24:58):
big issue.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Other things about that team in particular and Ryner you
remember it well for a guy who wasn't here every day.
You were covering two teams at the time, but you
nailed it. Number one was they had almost no injuries
that year. They went all the way into November. I
don't think they had to starter miss a game, and

(25:24):
they won every close game. You remember the Michigan game,
despite Walker's five touchdowns, that took an interception by Charles
Brantley to Ien when it looked like Michigan might come
back and win again. You can look at the Preska game, yeah,
with that crazy punt return. You can look at the

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Bowl game and Cal Halliday, you know, Indiana, you had
another It's amazing all the things that go right when
you have a season like that, But you can't expect
that it's always going to be that way.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yeah, I mean it's true. Again they you're right. I mean,
the injuries also have been a huge factor and why
you know, this team has been hasn't been able to
sustain the success from that year. But I mean there's
three factors. Offensive line play has been poor, defense has
been bad, and the injury factor they have been It

(26:25):
was a ton of injuries year up the year, and
it's a few of the fact but I mean the
fact is is that I really do feel this program
would have there'd been a much better I guess mood
and feel about it if he had, If you know,
they would just beat Rutgers in that final game. And

(26:46):
I wrote about it, it was like, this game is
a huge game for Michigan State last year leading into
the game, and you know, I just think it was
a huge missed opportunity. I mean, I just you know,
again I thought, I thought that that Mel Tucker that
you know twenty twenty two when they lost at Penn State,

(27:07):
that was that was a huge had a huge effect
on the rest of his tenure. I think it had
totally changed the complexion of everything. Them losing that Penn
State that year was pretty devastating. I think over the
long term, and you know.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Ry, I also believe in Some people disagree on this,
but I don't think it's just a matter of w's
and l's. I think it's how you win and lose
and how the games look. And if you are blown
out at home in a game that you know, they
weren't close in that game, they were obliterated on their
own field. And in these games that Jonathan has lost

(27:48):
at Michigan State, not Jonathan, but his teams have lost
here in you know, there are three and nine in
the Big Ten under Jonathan. And in these nine losses,
they've been outscored by one hundred and seventy two points,
So that's almost twenty points per loss. You know, you

(28:08):
had three more points because they had to win by
at least one. So they've been outscored by twenty points
a game. And some of these have been but ugly,
and none of them may be any uglier than Saturday
at a homecoming. And you know, when you get everyone
back on campus and then at the end of the day,
you know, and nobody wants to be there, that's not good.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
Yeah, well it's you know, it's particularly scary that given
what happened last year the same you know program, I
mean ten at home and then but you know again
are a couple of games and again I think you know,
changed everything for Smith. I mean the Michigan loss last
year and the Rutgers lost last year. I think we're

(28:53):
the two, the two biggest ones to me because like
they should have, they had a real good opportunity to
be Michigan coming off that Iowa game. Oh yeah, they were.
You know, they had you know, scored a touchdown on
that opening drive. Yeah, and they had.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Almost seventeen minutes longer, They had more rushing yards, more
passing yards, more first downs. They also had more penalties.
Michigan played that entire game and was not whistled for
a penalty, so you know, in Michigan State, they couldn't
get out of their own way. That wasn't a game
that Michigan won. It was a game that Michigan States squandered.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
Yes, absolutely, and so I think that was that was
a big, big, you know, turning point for that program
and also a place where they lost lost their footing.
And then again you know, not taking care of business
on that final home game this season finale and against Rutgers,

(29:54):
I mean it just yeah, I mean that's that's how
you get to this point. I mean, you can't carry
over any of lent them from the previous season, and
it's just kind of you're you're stuck in kind of
this uh uh static kind of state where you just
there's nothing really progressing and you're not really making too
many inroads on the recruiting front to also generate much

(30:18):
buzz during the off season. So you know, a lot
of a lot of these fans go into the season
just kind of ambivalent about where, you know, the program's
do and then they lose totally interest when things absolutely
go south. You know, and obviould say that Boston College,
given what happened to Boston College, you know the last

(30:39):
couple of weeks, that that win doesn't look as great
either anymore. But that's college football. I mean again, it's
like teams that you think are going to be you know,
good or like it looks like a big win at
the time and but not being the case. And I mean,
i mean look at Penn State. I mean the Penn
State Oregon game. I mean, now, now Penn State know

(31:00):
hit the skids, and so they went from a number
number two team to not ranked and having a fired coach.
So yeah, college football is crazy, but yeah, not a.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Great number two team in their state.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
They're behind Pitt, I know, I know. And yeah, that's a.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Name that I'm starting to hear. Again.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
I don't know that that's doable, but I'm hearing a
lot about that. And somebody said to me today, and
I'll let you go right, said, would you rather have
James Franklin or Pat Fitzgerald?

Speaker 6 (31:38):
I mean, I mean, to me, I would that would
take Franklin. I mean, like again, like let's not forget
this guy's one eleven games, you know, you know, four
or five different seasons, and I mean yeah, yeah, and
so like and he wonted Vanderbilt. But now, granted the
SEC East wasn't so great and so you kind of
took advantage of that back then. But I mean, James

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Franklin is the winner. I mean, he just he can't
necessarily He's not an elite coach, I don't think again,
his in game decisions in big games have been really questionable,
but overall, I mean that's the guy a winner, and
I in Michigan State had a shot at him. I mean, like,
you know, just like turn him away just because of

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you know, he can't win the big one. I mean,
at least he can get you close enough, and that's
that's that's good. And who knows, in the given year,
maybe he can finally get up.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Let's just say right now, needs to win the small
ones in the medium one, worry about.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
The big Yes, exactly, absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Thanks so much for joining us, really appreciate it. Uh,
maybe I'll see you Sunday. I think I'm or Monday. Rather,
it's Monday night, right, Yes, I'll see you Monday night
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Okay, sounds great, sounds great, Thanks for having me.

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