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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Jack Ebling here with my producer Boston Rob in studio
today and an ugly day, certainly not the nicest we
(00:47):
have had this month. Seventy eight degrees, but cloudy, looks dreary.
It's been raining off and on, and I think they're
still going to get the ballgame in tonight in Detroit.
Kara Kuskobol, Yeah, that's the question. What a pitching matchup? Yeah?
Eight Trek Scoble and Hunter Brown the day before that.
We are going down as our group of six people
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there tomorrow for the Astros Tigers game. But we're not
gonna talk baseball, No, not now. No, no, no, no,
He's too important. He has too many other things to
inform us about in terms of Michigan State football. That
is Stephen Brooks from twenty four to seven Sports Spartan
Tailgate premium site. Stephen, how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm all right. I would have rooted it on the
rain if I knew there was a Tiger's game on Jeopardy,
So yeah, I was happy to dried up, But now
I kind of wish it was still going.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Stephen Brooks the only guy in mid Michigan who roots
for rainouts when the Tigers have home games. All right,
let's talk a little bit about Michigan State. Ten days
away from the season opener, and we have captains, five
of them? What can you tell us?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I mean five again? There was five last year. Yeah,
so you know you got a little bit of a
trend there. Very interesting. I mean two technically homegrown guys,
not that that really matters anymore. Yeah, But on the
other end, of that. I mean, so the five for folks,
if you don't know, Matt Golvin, the center y transferred
in from Wake Forest, first year guy Guindarius Dune again defensive,
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then second year guy Jordan Hall junior linebacker going to
be there starting Mike and you know, and has been
sort of lauded as a future captain for years now
eight and Child's back for year two of his term.
So he's back. He's one of the five last year.
And then Sam Edwards, six year linebacker, who has always
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he's the other homegrown guy. He's been in the program
the whole time, been through a whole bunch of different stuff,
coming in as a walk on originally from Williamston, played
at Lansing Catholic and you know, decorated the student, well
respected guy in locker room, all that. So I think
it was a good group. It wasn't. There was nobody
I was like WHOA, Like that's.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Kind of weird or anything.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I think there's a couple others you know that I'm
guessing we're probably right on that mix. I don't know
exactly how if this is a team wide vote or
sort of a captain's coaches, you know, collaboration with like
some older guys or I don't know exactly what it
was because I asked Smith about it earlier this summer
and he said he wasn't totally sure the way they
would go about it, and they didn't ask him about
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it yesterday. But I think it's a good group. You know,
Matt Golvin sort of stands out because he did just
come in January and he is at a position that
we all know is under a microscope. But I think
that's a good thing. You know, for somebody to emerge
as a leader in that offensive line room, and for
him to do it in eight and a half months
of being around these guys is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
How unusual is it, Steven for a guy to be
named a captain if he has never worn a helmet
a game.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I mean, it's becoming less. Five years ago, it's probably
unheard of, basically, but it's becoming less though. I mean,
most of the guys last year I'm trying to think
were that. I guess Maverick Hanson was a holdover. I
can't remember all the other ones off the top of
my head. But Montory, no, he wasn't a captain. Was
he I don't remember, So it's it's just it's becoming
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more common because you're getting more movements that that just
is what it is. But we've been here and you
know fairly consistently that Golvin was, you know, was a
guy with that capacity and that compare that leadership capability,
and I thought there's other you know, I thought sat
Ramil could maybe be in that discussion from that room.
I think he's done some of those things. Uh Luka
Vincich another transfer. You hear this a lot of the
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same things about him having an important voice there and
being sort of an energy source for them and for
the offense.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Right, similar situation, and I think you need to have
someone representing the offensive line. I guess the center is
a good a place to find a leaders anywhere.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, And Jim Ahltack even said the other day that's
the most demanding position in their offense with everything that
they put on that guy. And he's learning. Goln's learning that.
He's done a little bit of it, but he was
when he was playing center way. It was not like
playing center here where he's actually delivering the snap under
center in ways and just the run schemes and different
things that he would he's not to be in part of,
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so he's kind of naturally thrust into a leadership role
by the nature of that spot. And then, you know,
obviously it sounds like he's taken that and then beyond
some to earn this title here, Are you.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
At all surprised that Stanton Rameil was not a choice
among the offensive linemen. He's back. He's the guy who
represented the program out in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
A little bit. You know, I think he's probably in
that like next tier of guys. Like you remember when
Mark Antonio they had like that Eagle Council, Yes, where
it was like twelve sort of sub captains. Basically it
was the next layer right below you know that they'd
wear the A if it was hockey. I guess we'd
say so, I think would probably be a part of
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that group. Yeah, I'm thinking I'm guessing he was probably
close or at least some the discussions. He's still a
younger guy, and we kind of think of him as
this ready to you know, as this guy that's about
to take a lead. Potentially it could turn himself into
a pro and all these things. But he's still am
my young guy. I mean, this is only his third year.
He's not played three years yet, so I think there's that.
I think it was important for him to come to
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media day because he was again he was he is
a homegrown guy. He can sort of speak to some
big picture things, whereas you know, if he brought a
gulf in there. He's still relatively new and his perspective
is just different, so slightly but not like, not in
any kind of way that really moved the needle In
terms of surprise.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I think almost everyone Steven would have said Jordan Hall's
got to be a cap and then probably the same
for Aiden Childs, although he was not in Las Vegas.
The other two spots I found interesting, not shocking, but interesting.
Pundarius done again a name that it's fun to say,
but a lot of people wouldn't really be able to
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tell you much about him. And Sam Edwards I think
is a great pick and watching other players in the
way they respect him, They revere Sam Edwards and he's
been through a lot and whatever they need he says,
I can do it. What do you make of those
two choices?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, I think you nail they It's important voices in
the locker room. Yeah, I mean, folks probably don't know
Sam Edwards number. He's thirty five. He's the guy who
was kind of the babysitter on kickoff last year and
was telling the actual return man to go or stay. Yeah,
they needed that. Apparently he's been an emergency long snapper.
He's been He's been on probably every special teams unit.
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So yeah, he's a guy that fills in a lot
of cracks behind the scenes. Maybe our future governor of Michigan.
You know, I think I think he's interested involved in
politics to a degree there, so we'll see just a
four time like academic, all big ten, all that type
of stuff. A guy that's got a lot going for him,
you know, beyond football, and like I said, just a
really irrespected voice within the team. And you've heard that
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for years. You know, his name had always popped out
from time to time from guys sort of giving him
his props there, and Dunagan has been the same thing recently.
He's only been here two years, but he's had a
big voice in that building, you know, very positive, uplifting
type of guy. I think the oldest guy on the
team played in twenty nineteen before COVID right seventh year senior,
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So the most seasoned player on the team. Two years
before Nil, one year before COVID. This guy's like he's
like a relic of history. So he's definitely got the maturity,
you know, to sort of speak on things and have
that experience. And yeah, like I said, he's been an
important voice as well pretty much his whole time here.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Seventh year senior. You think about that, Jonathan Smith is
an eighth year head coach. So this guy has been
playing college football almost as long as Jonathan Smith's been
running a program.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
He could have played theoretically against like Mark Antonio and
you know, Rocky Lombardi. Trying to think, I don't think
Joe Bacchi maybe was there ninth team or Rake one
and Mike might still have been, you know, so just
names as you haven't heard in a while. He could
have theoretically played in the same field as those guys.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Interesting stuff. When you think about this team and we're
hearing all the optimism now as you do each year
about this time, taking kind of a show me attitude.
It's like we're in Missouri, not Michigan. But when you
think about this year's team, it's a little different Steven
his first time I can remember, we're not looking at
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the offensive line as t you know, that's the biggest
hole by far, and can they be adequate. I think
we talked a couple of weeks ago about concern for
the defensive line, and I'm hearing Jonathan Smith at every
availability and Leggy Suey and Noah Chad Wilton. They're talking
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about this group like they're not scared to go up
and play the games.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
No, they're not. They're definitely more confident internally than we are,
which you know in some ways that's always going to
be the case. But it does make you sort of
you know, if you're like in my shoes, it does
make you sort of think twice about some things like, huh,
not that you expect a position coach to go out
there and be like, guys, we are in trouble. Hold
onto your seats this year, you know. I mean, that's
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not gonna happen, right, So you kind of got to
read between the lines and reinclues and everything. Yeah, I mean,
I think there's been some mixed messages in terms of
like the scrimmages, because sometimes it's like, yeah, we like
the interior pressure, but oh, we're also getting five to
six yards of run, so you hear both things. I mean,
there is a push pull there when any internal scrimmage
is going on. So you know, every success is somebody
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else's failure obviously, So you've heard different things. You know,
I did hear in this last one that they got
some good pressure fairly consistently. So then it's like, okay,
that's good. What are the tackles? You know, is the
old line not holding up there or they just you know,
were they just that good? So you never know exactly
what to make of it. But yeah, defensively, they seem
to think that their numbers will get them by, you know,
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the MSU basketball strengthened Numbers type of thing where hey,
you don't have a star necessarily now you know Jace
Richardson sort of turned into one later, but for the
most part, you don't really have a star. But can
you just throw numbers at them and just sort of
overwhelm them with waves and energy and being and you know,
being fresher than your opponent. I think that's possible. But
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even at the high end of those numbers, you want
to have you know, like a like a Jade Nakens,
who's kind of a fringe all Big ten type of
guy ish, you know, and and of course he'd love
a Jace Richardson to e merge of this group. And
I guess that's possible because there are some guys in
here that that we haven't seen a ton of when
you look at the whole D line, especially the rush
end position. But that's kind of where they're at with it.
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That seems to be the case. I mean, I know
Joe Rossi is really confident, like you said, Uh, Suey
and Oa and Will and all that. They they seem
legitimately confident in it. It's just hard for me to
square on paper yet until I see it against a
couple legit big ten teams. So that's other than the kicker,
which seems to be a pretty big issue right now.
Delion still will go into the year is my number
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one sort of question mark slash concern.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I want to talk about the health of this team, Steven,
and maybe it's early for a rash of injuries. A
couple times in recent years it hasn't happened till the
first three halves of play and then they're decimated. But
there are some names we have heard or we know about.
They have been disclosed, and Jonathan Smith says, well, i'll
tell you guys, season ending injury. But he's mentioned some
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other things that might be a clue. Jack Velling hasn't
done much. He's about ready to get back into the
flow where I think the chances are that he would
play in the opener.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I don't know. I'd be guessing at this point, because
he did get back this week. I'm thinking, you know,
maybe sixty percent, but I could see definite situation where
he's trying and it's just not coming together yet, and
it's Western and you got other guys, and I might
as well just put him on the shelf for a
little bit. You want him for Boston College the following week.
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So but I think more likely than not, because he
did They said he did get some work going yesterday.
Is Smith's pretty been pretty consistent that he thought he
could be back for this game one, So it's not
like he's beating the clock or anything to do that.
But so yeah, I'd say about sixty you know, a
little bit better than a coin flip?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
What about pretty safety? Nikai Martinez and I thought he
had a pretty good year last year, but not sure
he's going to be available for Game one.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I'd go lower with him to I don't know, thirty
three percent, you know something like that. I guess I
think less likely for him. I definitely know Jack definitely
is more likely.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Do we know what his injury is? We know what
Velling's injury was, we saw him in the boot. But
what do we know about Nikaye's injury? Anything?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I believe it's upper body? Okay, okay, that's that's from
what I remember here in a while back. But not
anything elaborate that I have there, But just I would
know upper body.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I'm laughing, Rob, you'll get a kick out of this.
Now we get upper body or lower body. We don't
know which extremities are involved. It's like a hockey injury,
upper body. Little hey. When when I was covering this
program for twelve years with George Purlis, not only would
he tell you exactly what the injury was, he would
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show you. I mean, I'm sure it would have gotten
in big trouble for this, but I mean I saw
X rays. You know. He would tell you everything, and
I'm sure change in Jack. Yeah, he called the doctors.
He said, hey, you know which toe is it? You
know that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So it was it depends on who you ask, because
we talked to the offensive lineman the other day and
Big Dooley Christian Phillips told us exactly about his a
c O. And waking up the next day and not
feeling right. And then Brocius is diagnosing the bolt that
goes through his foot now and the ligamentstet shattered or
what you know. He went into extreme details. So it
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does depend who you ask.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, all right, you mentioned it, and you know it's
my fixation. I think Michigan State season could swing by
one or two games depending on the place kicking. And
from what I understand, Tarique Abbott, Masik and Martin Connington
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have not done much yet. Maybe I'm at basic as
a little closer to being back, but there's a chance
that neither one of those guys will be functional for
the opener, Right.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That's what it sounds like. I mean, every time we've
asked Smith, it's been like, hey, you got to look
at the kickers yet, No, not yet, you know, that's
pretty early they were hurt. And then we've asked the
two or three times since then, it's been the same answers. No,
not yet. So and it's not like, I mean, these
guys could use some reps, you know. I mean, it's
not like they have a lot of experience to bank
on and lean back on. So I mean I'm at basically,
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I think kicked like a pat or two or something
like that. Conington's never played in a college game, right,
And then they quietly over the summer brought in Blake
Cislow as an unstate kid played three years at Davenport
but never actually got a guy on the field, and
then did not play last year. So he sort of
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has experience in the loosest sense of the word, but
not really. So it seems like, you know what Smith said,
he was functional for him in practice in terms of
just getting allowing them to get practice reps you know,
on kickoff, on real gold, that type of stuff to
get everything else figured out. But yeah, no, it does
sound like a bit of a concern, you know. I mean, again,
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it'd be one thing if one of these guys was
even even if they were shaky last year, and they
sort of would were a part timer. You know, they're
competing for a job with somebody maybe lost it, but
at least they got four kicks out of it or something,
you know, I mean some sort of experience. They kind
of have nothing between them, so that's what's scary. And
that doesn't you know, maybe one of them is a
star in the making. I mean, we didn't know that
Ryan Eckley was gonna you know, follow us Bryce Behringer
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with pretty much nothing lost and transition there. So maybe
there's something there. We just don't know it. So it
is concerning until you see it. And yeah, with a
team that we don't expect to have, you know, ample
margins to play with, that could absolutely determine a few things,
could even determine you know, Bowl eligibility at the end
of the day, if it's if it is hit and
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miss and John and Smith's the guy as we saw
he's he's from the Dan Campbell school. You know, he's
willing to go for it on fourth and down. Yeah,
I have to imagine that could even be pushed further
this year. You know, if there's not a lot of
confidence in there right in their legs.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Are you convinced that Michigan State is not in a
position where it's going to have to go for it?
On fourth down in the opener, and it's gonna have
a lot of pooch kickoffs because it can't get the
ball inside the ten.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I would think so. But I mean I say this
every year, like if your mis can state you're playing
a vaciem like you got to dominate him, Yeah, you
have to, So I would think so. I think there'll
be an emphasis on that. I mean, they were embarrassed
a couple of times last year in that opener on
short yardage, and I think that shocked everybody. So yeah,
I would expect them to, uh, to push it and
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to try and physically, you know, overwhelm in those moments.
And you know, red zone was such an issue for
them season long last year that I think they'll absolutely
try to capitalize on that. And if it's four and five,
you know, in the red zone, might as well just
go for it, you know, and throw some on madam,
try and get some confidence going.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
The shortyard that stops in the opener last year were
a flashing red light to what we were going to
see in the next eleven games. There's one other player
who has been banged up a little bit. I don't
think it's anything serious, but he was not in the
scrimmage Saturday, and that's Jace Clarizio, and I thought that
that was a very important scrimmage for him, maybe as
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much as anybody who trying to break through. And if
you can't do it, then I think that you really
have to make your case another way. And it certainly
sounded like Makai Frasier did everything that they wanted and
Randon tell Us was good too.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah. Yeah, so I was not aware of Jays. That's
unfortunate because yeah, he probably could have you know that
that is and was a great opportunity for him to
to make a big statement there and then put himself
in the conversation. I've still thought of him as at
least a four game guy, so I think he'll get
enough run in you know, especially Western Youngstown type of
games to get a good look at him. And that's
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just a position that sometimes needs to be settled out
in games. But yeah, I do expect coming in the year.
It sounds like like you mentioned Fraser as you know,
Smith effectively said yesterday, Smith and Frasier until this are
the top two. That doesn't surprise me whatsoever. I thought
the entire off season that it would be those two.
I had always leaned tell Us a little more. It
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sounds like I should lean frasier at this point. It
is probably getting the first carry. He's been very consistent
in this camp. They mentioned him catching the ball well
lately and especially in a scrimmage, so I think there's
just a little more all around to him that he's
been a little more all around productive. And then tell
Us is just physical. He's built different from the rest
of the room and gives them an alternate dynamic there.
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And those last couple of weeks, especially since they have
put the pads on and he can really showcase that
part of this game, I think he's made some ways.
So running back is starting to come into clarity there.
And you know, yeah, I still think there's a chance
that Jace could be like a gadget guy or return guy,
sort of a change of pace. You know, there will
be room for a third guy there. But then if
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he's the third guy, you're talking about two sophomores in
a freshman is anybody there up to Senough past? Blocking wise, like,
I still think there's a small role for Tayle Tolliver
and something like that as a third down player. Especially
because he can catch well. So we'll see there. But
it looks like there's a little clarity there, you know.
I think they have clarity at linebacker, they have clarity.
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They're not saying it, but I think there's there's there's
a lot of clarity, not full clarity. On the old line.
The receiver is almost fully clear, you know. I think
there's still some discussion around that third spot.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
And then maybe right with two sets and four playing
for the third spot, and then they'll they'll be subbing.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, yeah, so you know, and I think they'll be there.
Will there'll be more than fine there. That's that's the
strongest group on the team. Uh. Then DB's maybe less clarity,
so but a lot of stuff's coming into shape. Still.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Who plays in the opener if the time Martinez cannot go, My.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Guess would be Justin Denson, sophomore played a lot last year,
played probably more than anybody planned or wanted or expected,
just because of how how banged up they got back there.
So I would think him just with the experience in
the system. I'm intrigued by some of those transfers, like
a Tracy Revels from Bowling Green or Cromwell from Texas
Tech is potentially interesting. But you know, you're talking about
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three four weeks in the system. That's a lot to
do to earn that trust to go, go be a starter.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Get that spot.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Game one. You're kind of with some new corners potentially,
I mean Eaton I expect to start. He's going to
be new and maybe it's a chance Rocker. Maybe it's
somebody else on the other side, So potentially two new ones.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
When Marsh said that the guy who gives in the
most trouble and he said he came back to it
was Malcolm Bell. Do you hear that.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, Yeah, very surprised to hear that. I was expecting
him to say Josh Eaton, just because you know, Eaton
is a long, physical guy that would have those tools
to sort of match up with Marsh being another long
physical guy. So yeah, that was very interesting to hear.
You know, I think they're stronger that top four. You know,
if you include like Bell and Naje, Burt Aid and
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West maybe might be in there the true freshman. I
think their top four are all pretty good. I think
it's pretty competitive there. I just think I'm to see
second string almost across the board is going to be
better this matter, Yeah, which is something you know that
you can bank on as you can go into this
year and hoping that they're obviously the record gets better.
We'll see about that, you know, and how much better
they are on the high end. But definitely I think
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they're they're second stringers and their death at a lot
of places is going to be marketly better.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Talk with Steven Brooks twenty four to seven Sports Spartan
Telgate Premium site about Michigan State football. Steven, what do
you know about Western Michigan?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Very little at this point? Actually, that's something you know.
I filed away is either this week or early next
week to really start diving into them. See who they lost,
who they picked up. I mean, I know they went
I think six and seven. Last year they went to
a bowl game. I believe they've lost that bowl game close.
I remember watching that. I think they I think they
lost close on there. So a third year coach, I
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want to stay in Lance Taylor, so you know, I
guess he kind of is making progress. I think it
went like four and eight maybe his first year. I'm
guessing off the top of my head here. I don't
have this in front of me. Went to a bowl
game in year two. So not letting the world on fire,
I guess making you know, progress though within their level
and whatnot. So yeah, so you know, they played Wisconsin
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fairly tough last year in the non conference for reference,
even though Wisconsin wasn't great, but just that they did
go out and play a Big ten team pretty tough.
So but that's about what I have right now. Like
I said, I plan to get into a deeper look
at them later this week or next week to really
know more what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You're a Kalamazoo guy, you know, Robin Hook.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Is that the name sounds familiar.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Right for Western Michigan. Been doing it for Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I never met him, but I heard the name.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He'll be on the show next week. He comes on
whenever we have any Western Michigan stories to talk about.
But there are a couple of games in this series,
and Stephen, it shouldn't be a total shock because we
have seen Michigan and Michigan State lose these kinds of games.
We saw Michigan lose to app State and then get
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beat by Toledo and closest team geographically to ever win
in Ann Arbor, and we've seen Michigan State lose three
times to Central Michigan. We've seen some other pratfalls, but
I can point to three games against Western Michigan and
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pretty good Michigan State teams. In one case, a great
Michigan State team really struggle in the opener against the Broncos.
He wouldn't remember this one, but this is nineteen eighty
five and it's George Purlis year. This wasn't the opener,
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but they're playing Western Michigan. Just after they had played
a tremendous game against number one ranked Iowa and Chuck
Long and they lost thirty five thirty one to play
where Long's holding the ball over his head on the
bootleg and Nick Saban almost killed Keith Fisher. And the
week after that they had a home game. It was
(26:24):
kind of weird the way it worked out, but they
were playing Western Michigan and the Spartans won seven to
three on a disputed touchdown. John Offerdahl, who was a
tremendous linebacker, went on and had a great career with
the Dolphins. To this day, says Lorenzo White did not
get in the end zone on fourth down. It would
(26:45):
have been a three to nothing Broncos win. And I
wrote a column for the Lansing State Journal saying that
that was a disgusting effort. Michigan State shoud been prouder
of its loss at Iowa than the win over Western Michigan,
basically saying, you know, he might want to give that
one back. And I got a call that George wanted
to see me the next day, which was not unusual.
(27:08):
Usually had something he wanted to runt about. And I
walked in and he just blew the hair off my
head and for about twenty minutes he called me every
name in the book about that said, you never get
back wins. It works when it's better than a look.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
He just went on and on and on. He was
very intimidating, kind of standing over the top of me.
And so that that went on. That team went on
and played in the America Ball and then Michigan State
had a game with Western. This is the Mark D'Antonio era,
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and it was the start of the twenty thirteen season,
which was a pretty good year. Thirteen and one. They
went to Rose Bowl. Remember they started that season with
Andrew Maxwell at quarterback. Four guys in competition for that.
No one knew wo kind of cook was unless you
were really close to the program. And they had Riley
(28:07):
Bulla was a starting tailback. Jeremy Langford, you know who's he.
So it took a while. It really took to the
Iowa game for Michigan State to get its identity. But
Michigan State won that game. I want to say it
was twenty seven to thirteen and won on Chaliite Calhoun's
strip and score. And the first couple weeks of the
season he was a leading scorer on the team. It's
(28:29):
how bad the offense was that year. And then it
all kicked in and nobody remembers that now. And then
there was a game when Michigan State actually had to
go to Kalamazoo. It was one of those you know,
six for one or eight for one, those kinds of deals.
But Michigan State had to play a game in Kalamazoo.
And there were more Spartans there than Broncos, I think
(28:50):
in the stands. But Western was so motivated for this game.
His hair on fire came out and making big get
kick return for a touchdown, and and it was scary
into the fourth quarter of that game, and again that
was another really good team. So, uh, you look at
Michigan State and sometimes it's not what we think.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I remember that fifteen game,
I remember the thirteen game. I mean yeah, there's there
have been situations, you know. I mean as much as
the Friday and night kickoff used to be a tradition,
it also used to be a tradition to struggle with
a team, you know, on that Friday night that was
perceived to be much lesser than Michigan State, and even
in great seasons like you mentioned, and there's several other
(29:38):
examples of very good Michigan State teams that proved to
be good, that had really sweaty, uncomfortable, unsatisfying openers. So
John Smith, I'd recommend avoids that, you know, just just
handle business, push the envelope, go for it and fourth down,
run it up a little bit. Yeah that nobody, nobody
has much appetite for something like that. Thanks, So they
(30:01):
should just they should just handle the best.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Say hands, do you have a favorite Michigan State opener?
A lot of people talk about the Oregon game when
Amp Campbell came back from the neck injury, and then
he gets the eighty five yard fumble return to win
the game. Of course, you had, I think a Poise
(30:24):
State game and you had it was the one with
the Le'Veon Bell hurdle that we've seen so often. We've
had a few of those. But do you have a
favorite memory of a game a season opener, Spartan Stadium
or anyway.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
The Boise one was cool because it was just cool
to see them there and that was still you know,
it's kind of the end of their their run where
just but they just had a mistique about them as
a program. Seeing those jerseys in that logo like in
Spartan Stadium was cool. But that twenty twelve offense was
not cool at all. It was really one of the
worst things I've ever watched in my life. Yeah, but
(31:02):
maybe maybe twenty eighteen, the first year I was back
covering him, just because that that Utah State game and
that play by Joe Bachi, yes that he makes at
the end is one of the freakiest and most impressive
plays I've seen, you know. That was that was my
first year back covering the team, and it's still probably
on the top five short list of impressive and individual plays.
(31:23):
That thing was that was incredible, and you know, they
had Jordan Love. They were solid team. So I mean
that was another one where they had to battle and
battle for it and earn it. You know in week
one there against the mid major type of school and
Joe Bachi had to do that superhero stuff at the
end to steal it.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Do you know where Bacchi is now?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He's with the Colts last I knew, Yes, I just
had a.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Big play and a preseason game had a kind of
an amazing interception. He's really good at that kind of thing.
Maybe could have been a tight end if he'd wanted to.
There's a game that I will never forget this day
because it was Mark d'antonio's debut in two thousand and
seven and Michigan State played UAB September one and Spartans
(32:11):
beat the Blazers fifty five to eighteen. But the thing
that was significant it was really two things. When it
was the debut of the Big ten Network. It was
the first day that they were doing games, and that
it was a conversation to Big ten network, what's that
going to be? Like, I don't never make it? And
the Big ten Network's first game was in n Arbor,
(32:35):
app State and Michigan, and so Michigan State takes care
of UAB and after the game, Will Teman is doing
the postgame rob you know this story very well. He's
interviewing Dantonio and the score had just come across. I mean,
(32:58):
people are like hanging out waiting right find out what
happened on his last drive. And then they blocked the
short field goal and run it back almost for a touchdown.
So people are going crazy all over the Midwest cheering
for app State, and Will Tieman says to d' antonio,
so did you about Michigan? He said what? And he
told them what had happened. They lost, and Mark said
(33:21):
should we have a moment of silence? And that supposedly
triggered Mike Hart and h you know the little brother
comment and pointing to his watch, everyone pointing to their
fake watches on the Michigan sideline. So it all started
(33:42):
with that question from Wilt to Mark and the answer
it's too bad. Should we have a moment of silence?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Effects So yeah, I have the ripples. You know what
that did for the series potentially turned.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Out to be a great thing for Michigan state, right,
and not that game against Michigan in two thousand and seven,
But that was really the jet fuel for the rivalry.
You know, it's it's not over, it'll never be over,
it's just starting. And it started for a lot of
people that day.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And yeah, I already know we're going to have to
go through this in a couple of weeks. But I
think that I take the idea that MSU lost the
Michigan game this year because Jonathan Smith was new to
the rivalry is I think that's like the dumbest idea
that people hold in their head. I don't give it
a shred of credence, Like, yes he was new to it,
(34:38):
and yes his eyes were open, but it just go
back and watch that game, Like they were in control
in the first half. Oh yeah, they played it fairly aggressively,
you know, which, like if you think like somebody's like
overwhelmed by the rivalry, that's not what happens.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
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Speaker 2 (34:53):
That means they puckered up and they were scared and
conservative and this man, they pushed the tempo, They pushed
the issue with an onside early with that first drive
down to the goal line, going for it by trying
to push the ball before halftime, though, Eid and Chiles
gets stripped and that ended up being a problem. That's
where the game turned. But they played it aggressively. So
I don't know on the field what you can point
(35:13):
to and say, oh, this is a staff that didn't
get it. They don't understand, they shied away from it
this and I just think that's the most ridiculous narrative
that's been out there. Yeah, Jonathan Smith himself didn't know
a lot about it. Yeah, but I think I had
zero bearing on the outcome of that game.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. And if you look
back at that game, you watch it again, or even
if you just look at the statistics, I mean, it
was dominance. It was like the twenty fifteen game, the
Jyalen Watch Jackson game, when Michigan stayed out gaining by
one hundred and fifty six yards. The spartan said, more
rushing yards, more passing yards, obviously, more total yards, more
first down, sixteen, more minutes of possession. But Michigan did
(35:52):
not have a penalty. And I'm not talking about the
NCAA Committee on Infraction, so they didn't have a penalty
in that game. And they didn't have a turnover. Meanwhile,
Michigan State, did you mentioned the Aiden Childs strip and
also Jonathan Kim who was a very reliable kicker, missed
that twenty five yard field goal that would have been big.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah. Yeah, I just think it's it's a comfortable sort
of convenient Yeah, maybe even lazy sort of excuse to
cling to be like, oh, we had a new coach,
he east on the West Coast, you know that's why, Like, no,
he you know, he's personal emotions and everything might have
been awoken and all of that. But they coached that
game very aggressively and played to win and showed up
(36:34):
prepared Michigan. They did their coaches give them some credit. Now,
they caught Michigan State and fooled them a couple of
times in the second half. Yeah, with some trick players
and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
But I don't know how that happened. But he was
they couldn't couldn't see him.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, I can't draw any line between like the running
back pass that they called and fooled Michigan State with
to John Van Smith not knowing the heat, you know,
the emotions of the rivalry anthe So I just we
can go back into this couple of weeks. I'm sure
we will, but I just want to set that tone
early that I think that's really a really stupid narrative
that a lot of folks have clung to.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Steven, thanks so much for joining us. When we talk
to you next week, a couple of days before the opener,
and guess we won't see you until Monday. There's nothing
on the schedule for the rest of this week in
terms of media.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Availability, right, not as of now. Yeah, for football, so
we'll see who what else could pop up? You never know.
You always got to be in your toes around you.
But yeah, that sounds right.
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have had this month. Seventy eight degrees, but cloudy, looks dreary.
It's been raining off and on, and I think they're
still going to get the ballgame in tonight in Detroit.
Kara Kuskobol, Yeah, that's the question. What a pitching matchup? Yeah?
Eight Trek Scoble and Hunter Brown the day before that.
We are going down as our group of six people
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there tomorrow for the Astros Tigers game. But we're not
gonna talk baseball, No, not now. No, no, no, no,
He's too important. He has too many other things to
inform us about in terms of Michigan State football. That
is Stephen Brooks from twenty four to seven Sports Spartan
Tailgate premium site. Stephen, how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm all right. I would have rooted it on the
rain if I knew there was a Tiger's game on Jeopardy,
So yeah, I was happy to dried up, But now
I kind of wish it was still going.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Stephen Brooks the only guy in mid Michigan who roots
for rainouts when the Tigers have home games. All right,
let's talk a little bit about Michigan State. Ten days
away from the season opener, and we have captains, five
of them? What can you tell us?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I mean five again? There was five last year. Yeah,
so you know you got a little bit of a
trend there. Very interesting. I mean two technically homegrown guys,
not that that really matters anymore. Yeah, But on the
other end, of that. I mean, so the five for folks,
if you don't know, Matt Golvin, the center y transferred
in from Wake Forest, first year guy Guindarius Dune again defensive,
(02:17):
then second year guy Jordan Hall junior linebacker going to
be there starting Mike and you know, and has been
sort of lauded as a future captain for years now
eight and Child's back for year two of his term.
So he's back. He's one of the five last year.
And then Sam Edwards, six year linebacker, who has always
(02:37):
he's the other homegrown guy. He's been in the program
the whole time, been through a whole bunch of different stuff,
coming in as a walk on originally from Williamston, played
at Lansing Catholic and you know, decorated the student, well
respected guy in locker room, all that. So I think
it was a good group. It wasn't. There was nobody
I was like WHOA, Like that's.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Kind of weird or anything.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I think there's a couple others you know that I'm
guessing we're probably right on that mix. I don't know
exactly how if this is a team wide vote or
sort of a captain's coaches, you know, collaboration with like
some older guys or I don't know exactly what it
was because I asked Smith about it earlier this summer
and he said he wasn't totally sure the way they
would go about it, and they didn't ask him about
(03:16):
it yesterday. But I think it's a good group. You know,
Matt Golvin sort of stands out because he did just
come in January and he is at a position that
we all know is under a microscope. But I think
that's a good thing. You know, for somebody to emerge
as a leader in that offensive line room, and for
him to do it in eight and a half months
of being around these guys is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
How unusual is it, Steven for a guy to be
named a captain if he has never worn a helmet
a game.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I mean, it's becoming less. Five years ago, it's probably
unheard of, basically, but it's becoming less though. I mean,
most of the guys last year I'm trying to think
were that. I guess Maverick Hanson was a holdover. I
can't remember all the other ones off the top of
my head. But Montory, no, he wasn't a captain. Was
he I don't remember, So it's it's just it's becoming
(04:07):
more common because you're getting more movements that that just
is what it is. But we've been here and you
know fairly consistently that Golvin was, you know, was a
guy with that capacity and that compare that leadership capability,
and I thought there's other you know, I thought sat
Ramil could maybe be in that discussion from that room.
I think he's done some of those things. Uh Luka
Vincich another transfer. You hear this a lot of the
(04:28):
same things about him having an important voice there and
being sort of an energy source for them and for
the offense.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Right, similar situation, and I think you need to have
someone representing the offensive line. I guess the center is
a good a place to find a leaders anywhere.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, And Jim Ahltack even said the other day that's
the most demanding position in their offense with everything that
they put on that guy. And he's learning. Goln's learning that.
He's done a little bit of it, but he was
when he was playing center way. It was not like
playing center here where he's actually delivering the snap under
center in ways and just the run schemes and different
things that he would he's not to be in part of,
(05:10):
so he's kind of naturally thrust into a leadership role
by the nature of that spot. And then, you know,
obviously it sounds like he's taken that and then beyond
some to earn this title here, Are you.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
At all surprised that Stanton Rameil was not a choice
among the offensive linemen. He's back. He's the guy who
represented the program out in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
A little bit. You know, I think he's probably in
that like next tier of guys. Like you remember when
Mark Antonio they had like that Eagle Council, Yes, where
it was like twelve sort of sub captains. Basically it
was the next layer right below you know that they'd
wear the A if it was hockey. I guess we'd
say so, I think would probably be a part of
(05:54):
that group. Yeah, I'm thinking I'm guessing he was probably
close or at least some the discussions. He's still a
younger guy, and we kind of think of him as
this ready to you know, as this guy that's about
to take a lead. Potentially it could turn himself into
a pro and all these things. But he's still am
my young guy. I mean, this is only his third year.
He's not played three years yet, so I think there's that.
I think it was important for him to come to
(06:15):
media day because he was again he was he is
a homegrown guy. He can sort of speak to some
big picture things, whereas you know, if he brought a
gulf in there. He's still relatively new and his perspective
is just different, so slightly but not like, not in
any kind of way that really moved the needle In
terms of surprise.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I think almost everyone Steven would have said Jordan Hall's
got to be a cap and then probably the same
for Aiden Childs, although he was not in Las Vegas.
The other two spots I found interesting, not shocking, but interesting.
Pundarius done again a name that it's fun to say,
but a lot of people wouldn't really be able to
(06:56):
tell you much about him. And Sam Edwards I think
is a great pick and watching other players in the
way they respect him, They revere Sam Edwards and he's
been through a lot and whatever they need he says,
I can do it. What do you make of those
two choices?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, I think you nail they It's important voices in
the locker room. Yeah, I mean, folks probably don't know
Sam Edwards number. He's thirty five. He's the guy who
was kind of the babysitter on kickoff last year and
was telling the actual return man to go or stay. Yeah,
they needed that. Apparently he's been an emergency long snapper.
He's been He's been on probably every special teams unit.
(07:36):
So yeah, he's a guy that fills in a lot
of cracks behind the scenes. Maybe our future governor of Michigan.
You know, I think I think he's interested involved in
politics to a degree there, so we'll see just a
four time like academic, all big ten, all that type
of stuff. A guy that's got a lot going for him,
you know, beyond football, and like I said, just a
really irrespected voice within the team. And you've heard that
(07:58):
for years. You know, his name had always popped out
from time to time from guys sort of giving him
his props there, and Dunagan has been the same thing recently.
He's only been here two years, but he's had a
big voice in that building, you know, very positive, uplifting
type of guy. I think the oldest guy on the
team played in twenty nineteen before COVID right seventh year senior,
(08:18):
So the most seasoned player on the team. Two years
before Nil, one year before COVID. This guy's like he's
like a relic of history. So he's definitely got the maturity,
you know, to sort of speak on things and have
that experience. And yeah, like I said, he's been an
important voice as well pretty much his whole time here.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Seventh year senior. You think about that, Jonathan Smith is
an eighth year head coach. So this guy has been
playing college football almost as long as Jonathan Smith's been
running a program.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
He could have played theoretically against like Mark Antonio and
you know, Rocky Lombardi. Trying to think, I don't think
Joe Bacchi maybe was there ninth team or Rake one
and Mike might still have been, you know, so just
names as you haven't heard in a while. He could
have theoretically played in the same field as those guys.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Interesting stuff. When you think about this team and we're
hearing all the optimism now as you do each year
about this time, taking kind of a show me attitude.
It's like we're in Missouri, not Michigan. But when you
think about this year's team, it's a little different Steven
his first time I can remember, we're not looking at
(09:30):
the offensive line as t you know, that's the biggest
hole by far, and can they be adequate. I think
we talked a couple of weeks ago about concern for
the defensive line, and I'm hearing Jonathan Smith at every
availability and Leggy Suey and Noah Chad Wilton. They're talking
(09:50):
about this group like they're not scared to go up
and play the games.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
No, they're not. They're definitely more confident internally than we are,
which you know in some ways that's always going to
be the case. But it does make you sort of
you know, if you're like in my shoes, it does
make you sort of think twice about some things like, huh,
not that you expect a position coach to go out
there and be like, guys, we are in trouble. Hold
onto your seats this year, you know. I mean, that's
(10:16):
not gonna happen, right, So you kind of got to
read between the lines and reinclues and everything. Yeah, I mean,
I think there's been some mixed messages in terms of
like the scrimmages, because sometimes it's like, yeah, we like
the interior pressure, but oh, we're also getting five to
six yards of run, so you hear both things. I mean,
there is a push pull there when any internal scrimmage
is going on. So you know, every success is somebody
(10:37):
else's failure obviously, So you've heard different things. You know,
I did hear in this last one that they got
some good pressure fairly consistently. So then it's like, okay,
that's good. What are the tackles? You know, is the
old line not holding up there or they just you know,
were they just that good? So you never know exactly
what to make of it. But yeah, defensively, they seem
to think that their numbers will get them by, you know,
(11:00):
the MSU basketball strengthened Numbers type of thing where hey,
you don't have a star necessarily now you know Jace
Richardson sort of turned into one later, but for the
most part, you don't really have a star. But can
you just throw numbers at them and just sort of
overwhelm them with waves and energy and being and you know,
being fresher than your opponent. I think that's possible. But
(11:20):
even at the high end of those numbers, you want
to have you know, like a like a Jade Nakens,
who's kind of a fringe all Big ten type of
guy ish, you know, and and of course he'd love
a Jace Richardson to e merge of this group. And
I guess that's possible because there are some guys in
here that that we haven't seen a ton of when
you look at the whole D line, especially the rush
end position. But that's kind of where they're at with it.
(11:43):
That seems to be the case. I mean, I know
Joe Rossi is really confident, like you said, Uh, Suey
and Oa and Will and all that. They they seem
legitimately confident in it. It's just hard for me to
square on paper yet until I see it against a
couple legit big ten teams. So that's other than the kicker,
which seems to be a pretty big issue right now.
Delion still will go into the year is my number
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one sort of question mark slash concern.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I want to talk about the health of this team, Steven,
and maybe it's early for a rash of injuries. A
couple times in recent years it hasn't happened till the
first three halves of play and then they're decimated. But
there are some names we have heard or we know about.
They have been disclosed, and Jonathan Smith says, well, i'll
tell you guys, season ending injury. But he's mentioned some
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other things that might be a clue. Jack Velling hasn't
done much. He's about ready to get back into the
flow where I think the chances are that he would
play in the opener.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I don't know. I'd be guessing at this point, because
he did get back this week. I'm thinking, you know,
maybe sixty percent, but I could see definite situation where
he's trying and it's just not coming together yet, and
it's Western and you got other guys, and I might
as well just put him on the shelf for a
little bit. You want him for Boston College the following week.
(13:06):
So but I think more likely than not, because he
did They said he did get some work going yesterday.
Is Smith's pretty been pretty consistent that he thought he
could be back for this game one, So it's not
like he's beating the clock or anything to do that.
But so yeah, I'd say about sixty you know, a
little bit better than a coin flip?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
What about pretty safety? Nikai Martinez and I thought he
had a pretty good year last year, but not sure
he's going to be available for Game one.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I'd go lower with him to I don't know, thirty
three percent, you know something like that. I guess I
think less likely for him. I definitely know Jack definitely
is more likely.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Do we know what his injury is? We know what
Velling's injury was, we saw him in the boot. But
what do we know about Nikaye's injury? Anything?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I believe it's upper body? Okay, okay, that's that's from
what I remember here in a while back. But not
anything elaborate that I have there, But just I would
know upper body.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I'm laughing, Rob, you'll get a kick out of this.
Now we get upper body or lower body. We don't
know which extremities are involved. It's like a hockey injury,
upper body. Little hey. When when I was covering this
program for twelve years with George Purlis, not only would
he tell you exactly what the injury was, he would
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show you. I mean, I'm sure it would have gotten
in big trouble for this, but I mean I saw
X rays. You know. He would tell you everything, and
I'm sure change in Jack. Yeah, he called the doctors.
He said, hey, you know which toe is it? You
know that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So it was it depends on who you ask, because
we talked to the offensive lineman the other day and
Big Dooley Christian Phillips told us exactly about his a
c O. And waking up the next day and not
feeling right. And then Brocius is diagnosing the bolt that
goes through his foot now and the ligamentstet shattered or
what you know. He went into extreme details. So it
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does depend who you ask.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, all right, you mentioned it, and you know it's
my fixation. I think Michigan State season could swing by
one or two games depending on the place kicking. And
from what I understand, Tarique Abbott, Masik and Martin Connington
(15:31):
have not done much yet. Maybe I'm at basic as
a little closer to being back, but there's a chance
that neither one of those guys will be functional for
the opener, Right.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That's what it sounds like. I mean, every time we've
asked Smith, it's been like, hey, you got to look
at the kickers yet, No, not yet, you know, that's
pretty early they were hurt. And then we've asked the
two or three times since then, it's been the same answers. No,
not yet. So and it's not like, I mean, these
guys could use some reps, you know. I mean, it's
not like they have a lot of experience to bank
on and lean back on. So I mean I'm at basically,
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I think kicked like a pat or two or something
like that. Conington's never played in a college game, right,
And then they quietly over the summer brought in Blake
Cislow as an unstate kid played three years at Davenport
but never actually got a guy on the field, and
then did not play last year. So he sort of
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has experience in the loosest sense of the word, but
not really. So it seems like, you know what Smith said,
he was functional for him in practice in terms of
just getting allowing them to get practice reps you know,
on kickoff, on real gold, that type of stuff to
get everything else figured out. But yeah, no, it does
sound like a bit of a concern, you know. I mean, again,
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it'd be one thing if one of these guys was
even even if they were shaky last year, and they
sort of would were a part timer. You know, they're
competing for a job with somebody maybe lost it, but
at least they got four kicks out of it or something,
you know, I mean some sort of experience. They kind
of have nothing between them, so that's what's scary. And
that doesn't you know, maybe one of them is a
star in the making. I mean, we didn't know that
Ryan Eckley was gonna you know, follow us Bryce Behringer
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with pretty much nothing lost and transition there. So maybe
there's something there. We just don't know it. So it
is concerning until you see it. And yeah, with a
team that we don't expect to have, you know, ample
margins to play with, that could absolutely determine a few things,
could even determine you know, Bowl eligibility at the end
of the day, if it's if it is hit and
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miss and John and Smith's the guy as we saw
he's he's from the Dan Campbell school. You know, he's
willing to go for it on fourth and down. Yeah,
I have to imagine that could even be pushed further
this year. You know, if there's not a lot of
confidence in there right in their legs.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Are you convinced that Michigan State is not in a
position where it's going to have to go for it?
On fourth down in the opener, and it's gonna have
a lot of pooch kickoffs because it can't get the
ball inside the ten.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I would think so. But I mean I say this
every year, like if your mis can state you're playing
a vaciem like you got to dominate him, Yeah, you
have to, So I would think so. I think there'll
be an emphasis on that. I mean, they were embarrassed
a couple of times last year in that opener on
short yardage, and I think that shocked everybody. So yeah,
I would expect them to, uh, to push it and
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to try and physically, you know, overwhelm in those moments.
And you know, red zone was such an issue for
them season long last year that I think they'll absolutely
try to capitalize on that. And if it's four and five,
you know, in the red zone, might as well just
go for it, you know, and throw some on madam,
try and get some confidence going.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
The shortyard that stops in the opener last year were
a flashing red light to what we were going to
see in the next eleven games. There's one other player
who has been banged up a little bit. I don't
think it's anything serious, but he was not in the
scrimmage Saturday, and that's Jace Clarizio, and I thought that
that was a very important scrimmage for him, maybe as
(19:03):
much as anybody who trying to break through. And if
you can't do it, then I think that you really
have to make your case another way. And it certainly
sounded like Makai Frasier did everything that they wanted and
Randon tell Us was good too.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah. Yeah, so I was not aware of Jays. That's
unfortunate because yeah, he probably could have you know that
that is and was a great opportunity for him to
to make a big statement there and then put himself
in the conversation. I've still thought of him as at
least a four game guy, so I think he'll get
enough run in you know, especially Western Youngstown type of
games to get a good look at him. And that's
(19:43):
just a position that sometimes needs to be settled out
in games. But yeah, I do expect coming in the year.
It sounds like like you mentioned Fraser as you know,
Smith effectively said yesterday, Smith and Frasier until this are
the top two. That doesn't surprise me whatsoever. I thought
the entire off season that it would be those two.
I had always leaned tell Us a little more. It
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sounds like I should lean frasier at this point. It
is probably getting the first carry. He's been very consistent
in this camp. They mentioned him catching the ball well
lately and especially in a scrimmage, so I think there's
just a little more all around to him that he's
been a little more all around productive. And then tell
Us is just physical. He's built different from the rest
of the room and gives them an alternate dynamic there.
(20:27):
And those last couple of weeks, especially since they have
put the pads on and he can really showcase that
part of this game, I think he's made some ways.
So running back is starting to come into clarity there.
And you know, yeah, I still think there's a chance
that Jace could be like a gadget guy or return guy,
sort of a change of pace. You know, there will
be room for a third guy there. But then if
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he's the third guy, you're talking about two sophomores in
a freshman is anybody there up to Senough past? Blocking wise, like,
I still think there's a small role for Tayle Tolliver
and something like that as a third down player. Especially
because he can catch well. So we'll see there. But
it looks like there's a little clarity there, you know.
I think they have clarity at linebacker, they have clarity.
(21:08):
They're not saying it, but I think there's there's there's
a lot of clarity, not full clarity. On the old line.
The receiver is almost fully clear, you know. I think
there's still some discussion around that third spot.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
And then maybe right with two sets and four playing
for the third spot, and then they'll they'll be subbing.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, yeah, so you know, and I think they'll be there.
Will there'll be more than fine there. That's that's the
strongest group on the team. Uh. Then DB's maybe less clarity,
so but a lot of stuff's coming into shape. Still.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Who plays in the opener if the time Martinez cannot go, My.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Guess would be Justin Denson, sophomore played a lot last year,
played probably more than anybody planned or wanted or expected,
just because of how how banged up they got back there.
So I would think him just with the experience in
the system. I'm intrigued by some of those transfers, like
a Tracy Revels from Bowling Green or Cromwell from Texas
Tech is potentially interesting. But you know, you're talking about
(22:09):
three four weeks in the system. That's a lot to
do to earn that trust to go, go be a starter.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Get that spot.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Game one. You're kind of with some new corners potentially,
I mean Eaton I expect to start. He's going to
be new and maybe it's a chance Rocker. Maybe it's
somebody else on the other side, So potentially two new ones.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
When Marsh said that the guy who gives in the
most trouble and he said he came back to it
was Malcolm Bell. Do you hear that.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, Yeah, very surprised to hear that. I was expecting
him to say Josh Eaton, just because you know, Eaton
is a long, physical guy that would have those tools
to sort of match up with Marsh being another long
physical guy. So yeah, that was very interesting to hear.
You know, I think they're stronger that top four. You know,
if you include like Bell and Naje, Burt Aid and
(23:03):
West maybe might be in there the true freshman. I
think their top four are all pretty good. I think
it's pretty competitive there. I just think I'm to see
second string almost across the board is going to be
better this matter, Yeah, which is something you know that
you can bank on as you can go into this
year and hoping that they're obviously the record gets better.
We'll see about that, you know, and how much better
they are on the high end. But definitely I think
(23:25):
they're they're second stringers and their death at a lot
of places is going to be marketly better.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Talk with Steven Brooks twenty four to seven Sports Spartan
Telgate Premium site about Michigan State football. Steven, what do
you know about Western Michigan?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Very little at this point? Actually, that's something you know.
I filed away is either this week or early next
week to really start diving into them. See who they lost,
who they picked up. I mean, I know they went
I think six and seven. Last year they went to
a bowl game. I believe they've lost that bowl game close.
I remember watching that. I think they I think they
lost close on there. So a third year coach, I
(24:04):
want to stay in Lance Taylor, so you know, I
guess he kind of is making progress. I think it
went like four and eight maybe his first year. I'm
guessing off the top of my head here. I don't
have this in front of me. Went to a bowl
game in year two. So not letting the world on fire,
I guess making you know, progress though within their level
and whatnot. So yeah, so you know, they played Wisconsin
(24:25):
fairly tough last year in the non conference for reference,
even though Wisconsin wasn't great, but just that they did
go out and play a Big ten team pretty tough.
So but that's about what I have right now. Like
I said, I plan to get into a deeper look
at them later this week or next week to really
know more what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You're a Kalamazoo guy, you know, Robin Hook.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Is that the name sounds familiar.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Right for Western Michigan. Been doing it for Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I never met him, but I heard the name.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He'll be on the show next week. He comes on
whenever we have any Western Michigan stories to talk about.
But there are a couple of games in this series,
and Stephen, it shouldn't be a total shock because we
have seen Michigan and Michigan State lose these kinds of games.
We saw Michigan lose to app State and then get
(25:20):
beat by Toledo and closest team geographically to ever win
in Ann Arbor, and we've seen Michigan State lose three
times to Central Michigan. We've seen some other pratfalls, but
I can point to three games against Western Michigan and
(25:42):
pretty good Michigan State teams. In one case, a great
Michigan State team really struggle in the opener against the Broncos.
He wouldn't remember this one, but this is nineteen eighty
five and it's George Purlis year. This wasn't the opener,
(26:02):
but they're playing Western Michigan. Just after they had played
a tremendous game against number one ranked Iowa and Chuck
Long and they lost thirty five thirty one to play
where Long's holding the ball over his head on the
bootleg and Nick Saban almost killed Keith Fisher. And the
week after that they had a home game. It was
(26:24):
kind of weird the way it worked out, but they
were playing Western Michigan and the Spartans won seven to
three on a disputed touchdown. John Offerdahl, who was a
tremendous linebacker, went on and had a great career with
the Dolphins. To this day, says Lorenzo White did not
get in the end zone on fourth down. It would
(26:45):
have been a three to nothing Broncos win. And I
wrote a column for the Lansing State Journal saying that
that was a disgusting effort. Michigan State shoud been prouder
of its loss at Iowa than the win over Western Michigan,
basically saying, you know, he might want to give that
one back. And I got a call that George wanted
to see me the next day, which was not unusual.
(27:08):
Usually had something he wanted to runt about. And I
walked in and he just blew the hair off my
head and for about twenty minutes he called me every
name in the book about that said, you never get
back wins. It works when it's better than a look.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
He just went on and on and on. He was
very intimidating, kind of standing over the top of me.
And so that that went on. That team went on
and played in the America Ball and then Michigan State
had a game with Western. This is the Mark D'Antonio era,
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and it was the start of the twenty thirteen season,
which was a pretty good year. Thirteen and one. They
went to Rose Bowl. Remember they started that season with
Andrew Maxwell at quarterback. Four guys in competition for that.
No one knew wo kind of cook was unless you
were really close to the program. And they had Riley
(28:07):
Bulla was a starting tailback. Jeremy Langford, you know who's he.
So it took a while. It really took to the
Iowa game for Michigan State to get its identity. But
Michigan State won that game. I want to say it
was twenty seven to thirteen and won on Chaliite Calhoun's
strip and score. And the first couple weeks of the
season he was a leading scorer on the team. It's
(28:29):
how bad the offense was that year. And then it
all kicked in and nobody remembers that now. And then
there was a game when Michigan State actually had to
go to Kalamazoo. It was one of those you know,
six for one or eight for one, those kinds of deals.
But Michigan State had to play a game in Kalamazoo.
And there were more Spartans there than Broncos, I think
(28:50):
in the stands. But Western was so motivated for this game.
His hair on fire came out and making big get
kick return for a touchdown, and and it was scary
into the fourth quarter of that game, and again that
was another really good team. So, uh, you look at
Michigan State and sometimes it's not what we think.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I remember that fifteen game,
I remember the thirteen game. I mean yeah, there's there
have been situations, you know. I mean as much as
the Friday and night kickoff used to be a tradition,
it also used to be a tradition to struggle with
a team, you know, on that Friday night that was
perceived to be much lesser than Michigan State, and even
in great seasons like you mentioned, and there's several other
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examples of very good Michigan State teams that proved to
be good, that had really sweaty, uncomfortable, unsatisfying openers. So
John Smith, I'd recommend avoids that, you know, just just
handle business, push the envelope, go for it and fourth down,
run it up a little bit. Yeah that nobody, nobody
has much appetite for something like that. Thanks, So they
(30:01):
should just they should just handle the best.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Say hands, do you have a favorite Michigan State opener?
A lot of people talk about the Oregon game when
Amp Campbell came back from the neck injury, and then
he gets the eighty five yard fumble return to win
the game. Of course, you had, I think a Poise
(30:24):
State game and you had it was the one with
the Le'Veon Bell hurdle that we've seen so often. We've
had a few of those. But do you have a
favorite memory of a game a season opener, Spartan Stadium
or anyway.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
The Boise one was cool because it was just cool
to see them there and that was still you know,
it's kind of the end of their their run where
just but they just had a mistique about them as
a program. Seeing those jerseys in that logo like in
Spartan Stadium was cool. But that twenty twelve offense was
not cool at all. It was really one of the
worst things I've ever watched in my life. Yeah, but
(31:02):
maybe maybe twenty eighteen, the first year I was back
covering him, just because that that Utah State game and
that play by Joe Bachi, yes that he makes at
the end is one of the freakiest and most impressive
plays I've seen, you know. That was that was my
first year back covering the team, and it's still probably
on the top five short list of impressive and individual plays.
(31:23):
That thing was that was incredible, and you know, they
had Jordan Love. They were solid team. So I mean
that was another one where they had to battle and
battle for it and earn it. You know in week
one there against the mid major type of school and
Joe Bachi had to do that superhero stuff at the
end to steal it.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Do you know where Bacchi is now?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He's with the Colts last I knew, Yes, I just
had a.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Big play and a preseason game had a kind of
an amazing interception. He's really good at that kind of thing.
Maybe could have been a tight end if he'd wanted to.
There's a game that I will never forget this day
because it was Mark d'antonio's debut in two thousand and
seven and Michigan State played UAB September one and Spartans
(32:11):
beat the Blazers fifty five to eighteen. But the thing
that was significant it was really two things. When it
was the debut of the Big ten Network. It was
the first day that they were doing games, and that
it was a conversation to Big ten network, what's that
going to be? Like, I don't never make it? And
the Big ten Network's first game was in n Arbor,
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app State and Michigan, and so Michigan State takes care
of UAB and after the game, Will Teman is doing
the postgame rob you know this story very well. He's
interviewing Dantonio and the score had just come across. I mean,
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people are like hanging out waiting right find out what
happened on his last drive. And then they blocked the
short field goal and run it back almost for a touchdown.
So people are going crazy all over the Midwest cheering
for app State, and Will Tieman says to d' antonio,
so did you about Michigan? He said what? And he
told them what had happened. They lost, and Mark said
(33:21):
should we have a moment of silence? And that supposedly
triggered Mike Hart and h you know the little brother
comment and pointing to his watch, everyone pointing to their
fake watches on the Michigan sideline. So it all started
(33:42):
with that question from Wilt to Mark and the answer
it's too bad. Should we have a moment of silence?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Effects So yeah, I have the ripples. You know what
that did for the series potentially turned.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Out to be a great thing for Michigan state, right,
and not that game against Michigan in two thousand and seven,
But that was really the jet fuel for the rivalry.
You know, it's it's not over, it'll never be over,
it's just starting. And it started for a lot of
people that day.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And yeah, I already know we're going to have to
go through this in a couple of weeks. But I
think that I take the idea that MSU lost the
Michigan game this year because Jonathan Smith was new to
the rivalry is I think that's like the dumbest idea
that people hold in their head. I don't give it
a shred of credence, Like, yes he was new to it,
(34:38):
and yes his eyes were open, but it just go
back and watch that game, Like they were in control
in the first half. Oh yeah, they played it fairly aggressively,
you know, which, like if you think like somebody's like
overwhelmed by the rivalry, that's not what happens.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
That means they puckered up and they were scared and
conservative and this man, they pushed the tempo, They pushed
the issue with an onside early with that first drive
down to the goal line, going for it by trying
to push the ball before halftime, though, Eid and Chiles
gets stripped and that ended up being a problem. That's
where the game turned. But they played it aggressively. So
I don't know on the field what you can point
(35:13):
to and say, oh, this is a staff that didn't
get it. They don't understand, they shied away from it
this and I just think that's the most ridiculous narrative
that's been out there. Yeah, Jonathan Smith himself didn't know
a lot about it. Yeah, but I think I had
zero bearing on the outcome of that game.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. And if you look
back at that game, you watch it again, or even
if you just look at the statistics, I mean, it
was dominance. It was like the twenty fifteen game, the
Jyalen Watch Jackson game, when Michigan stayed out gaining by
one hundred and fifty six yards. The spartan said, more
rushing yards, more passing yards, obviously, more total yards, more
first down, sixteen, more minutes of possession. But Michigan did
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not have a penalty. And I'm not talking about the
NCAA Committee on Infraction, so they didn't have a penalty
in that game. And they didn't have a turnover. Meanwhile,
Michigan State, did you mentioned the Aiden Childs strip and
also Jonathan Kim who was a very reliable kicker, missed
that twenty five yard field goal that would have been big.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah. Yeah, I just think it's it's a comfortable sort
of convenient Yeah, maybe even lazy sort of excuse to
cling to be like, oh, we had a new coach,
he east on the West Coast, you know that's why, Like, no,
he you know, he's personal emotions and everything might have
been awoken and all of that. But they coached that
game very aggressively and played to win and showed up
(36:34):
prepared Michigan. They did their coaches give them some credit. Now,
they caught Michigan State and fooled them a couple of
times in the second half. Yeah, with some trick players
and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
But I don't know how that happened. But he was
they couldn't couldn't see him.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, I can't draw any line between like the running
back pass that they called and fooled Michigan State with
to John Van Smith not knowing the heat, you know,
the emotions of the rivalry anthe So I just we
can go back into this couple of weeks. I'm sure
we will, but I just want to set that tone
early that I think that's really a really stupid narrative
that a lot of folks have clung to.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Steven, thanks so much for joining us. When we talk
to you next week, a couple of days before the opener,
and guess we won't see you until Monday. There's nothing
on the schedule for the rest of this week in
terms of media.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Availability, right, not as of now. Yeah, for football, so
we'll see who what else could pop up? You never know.
You always got to be in your toes around you.
But yeah, that sounds right.
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