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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:44):
with Jack the Spotlight Radio Network. Jack Eblin here with
my producer Boston Rob. Rob. A lot of nostalgia talking
about coaching changes today, and I want to welcome in
someone who's been through quite a few of them. Maybe
hasn't seen all of them that I have, but you
(01:06):
know he's got to be up there close to double
digit coaches for Michigan State. Want to welcome in Steve Grinzell.
You remember his work for the Grand Rapids Press for
Booth News Service, m live MSU spartans dot com and
probably you've seen him on a soccer field near you, grands.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
How are you, I'm doing good, Jack.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You're on your way to a game in South Bend
in year fifty one.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Right, Yes, I am going to only Cross College, which
is right across the street from Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Wow, yes, I know where that is. Yes. So, when
you think about all of the Michigan State teams you
have covered beginning in nineteen eighty six, did you ever
think we would see an MSU coach who could be
fired after nineteen or twenty games, and not for Ron,
(02:05):
just for the team isn't played.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh yeah, I don't. I guess we've We've covered coaches
in the hot seat for sure. It never seemed to
be Michigan State's mo to terminate a coach during the season.
(02:27):
They seem to have a standard against that of they
have coaches well right, And he's the one that certainly
jumps out front. Whether that was performance on the field
based is more than you know, his management of the
(02:51):
team or his loss of control of the team. You know,
I don't know if if he had been winning, that
wouldn't have it still might have occurred because there was
such a social cultural disruption within the walls of the
(03:13):
football building.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So whether he would have survived regardless, I don't know.
But there was a lot more going on there than
just not producing on the field.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah. So for fans who still think that Michigan State
is the school and the powerhouse it was in the
mid sixties, we have seen other than a blitz pierer
there with George Purlis or Nick Saban and six amazing
(03:48):
years with Mark D'Antonio. This has been a five hundred
program for close to sixty years now, grins. And it
isn't saying much. When you get to pick three non
conference games and you've got a lot of mac opponents
and Prairie views in there, you know this is not
(04:10):
like a sudden departure from the norm. Mark d'antonio's stint
was the departure from the norm.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah. When you look back at Michigan State's history, there
seems to be I don't know, split personality, multiple personalities,
schizophrenia in the DNA of this program. If you go
back to the very beginning with pretty much I mean
the beginning of Michigan State's ascension to a national prominence
(04:46):
which came under Biggie mnd. You know, he had built
it into a national power, won national championships, and Duffy
took over and continue that momentum.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
That season.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yes, but you know, after the sixty six season when
Michigan State was mentioned in the same breath as the
Alabama's and Texas's and Southern cols and every Notre dame,
you name it. I mean, they were right there in
that beer group. Then Duffy didn't continue the momentum. It
(05:30):
slipped away. They foundered for years. They got it back
a little bit under Darryl Rogers, couldn't keep the momentum
really until George Perlis came in and had a five
year planned, delivered on the planned, delivered championships, national rankings, Rose.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Bowl twelve years grants was sixty eight sixty five.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah. Well, because for whatever reason, George didn't maintain the momentum.
You know, they didn't continue and I you know, maybe
it's hard for a place like Michigan State to do it.
You know, they don't have the name brand of Michigan
or Ohio State or or any of the big schools
(06:22):
that suffer these lulls. Better than others, you know. And
then Nick comes in, and he certainly had the program
in the right direction. It wasn't like they were winning
everything in sight. But had he been retained or they
would have kept him, I don't think there's any doubt
that the program would have been, you know, winning in
(06:44):
a very high level, right and then and then yeah,
and you know, arguably one of the best teams of
the country, you know, a national championship caliber team, you know,
and then that goes by the wayside, the momentum wanes.
(07:06):
And then Mark D'Antonio comes in and does a phenomenal
job and really kind of developed the identity of the
program of being one that could develop players and uh
overachieve and over and then you know, all due respect
to Mark, he did a phenomenal job, but then the
(07:27):
momentum waned again. They couldn't maintain that momentum or whatever. Yes, yes,
so that just seems to be the stock market ticket
ticker on Michigan State football. It goes up, it goes down,
it stays down, it rallies, you know, it's uh, it's
(07:50):
it's got to be hard being a Michigan State fan
seeing that the potential is there. They have reached the potential,
they've made it to the playoffs, they've had, they've been
in the name championship conversation, and then you know they're
back to being mediocre five hundred or whatever. So that's
(08:11):
just Michigan State football, you know, in some ways better
than most because of what they've proved they are capable
of doing, and then more frustrating than most because they
just drop off the face of the earth.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And every time there's a change, Grinz, you know, I
said this is gonna be my fourteenth head coach. When
it happens, wow, you see something different. When Duffy retired,
they looked at Barry Switzer, nearly hired him, Johnny Majors,
(08:48):
Lee Corso, and the fourth candidate was a guy they
picked Denny Stoltz who'd been at Alma One Big there
had been a defensive coordinator briefly for Duffy, and so
they went that route, the small, small college route. Then
they said, well that didn't work, So they went out
(09:10):
and got an offensive wizard from the West Coast and
that was a lot of fun while it lasted, bought,
but it could never sustain. And he's still shivering the
entire time. I've never seen anybody shiver in seventy five
degree weather more than Darrell Rodgers. And then they said, okay, well,
(09:30):
you know, we got to find somebody, and I think
they were scared by George, and they took fifty seven
year old Muddy Waters. Muddy said he thought that was
his middle name, fifty seven year old Muddy Waters. And
he was there three years. That was pretty much an
abject failure. Then they went to George and that was
pretty good for a while. And then of course the
(09:53):
headlines with the battles with the president administration, two jobs
and everything that went with that was led to the undoing.
So you can go through all of these hire s grins.
I mean, even when Ron Mason could not get Marvin
Lewis to commit and wound up on recommendation of someone
(10:17):
in the office staffer to hire John L. Smith, you know,
and then they had the search and they got it
right with Antonio. But when that failed and that was uh,
you know, he left at the worst possible time. They
(10:37):
weren't no options, and Bill Beakman was the a D
at that point. Alan Haller was his second command, and
they wound up with Mel Tucker didn't get Luke Fickle
Wisconsin wishes they had, and we know what happened with Mel.
(11:00):
And then Jonathan and he was Haller's guy. I mean,
he did a full court press on this and it
was a one man search and thought that he had
just found a coach who was going to be D'Antonio
two point zero. And here we are, you know, eighteen
games in and you know, people are already putting for
(11:21):
sales signs in front of his house. So, you know,
what is the answer for Michigan State? What do they do?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You know, we've both spent a lot of time in
brain cells debating, you know, what does Michigan State need? Yeah,
you know, I think some of the if you do
the if you would plot of graphs and look at
(11:51):
success based on backround, you know, and then included background
and heritage and all those kinds the things. You know,
it seems like the guys that do best or have
had success at Michigan State have been kind of homegrown
entities that were into the program in some way, shape
(12:15):
or form. Not necessarily Michigan State grands but our former players,
but maybe coach there were ingrained into the community, the culture,
understood the the foibles of Michigan State and the skeletons
in the closets and all those kinds of things, and
(12:38):
you know, those have had the best success. I always
shuddered when they these searches would become far flung and
you know, let's get the guy from where what was
his name, Botelli or he was the hot number, And
I'm like, why would you want a West coast guy
to come to the Midwest and drop him in here
(13:01):
and think he can succeed? I mean, you know, and
it's different now, granted, but back then, it was like,
how is this guy gonna recruit Detroit? You know, how
is he going to get relationships with the public school
league and the Catholic League and you know, and that
(13:21):
was really important back when recruiting high school prospects was
number one, two and three. Now it's a lot different,
I grant you that, but I still think Michigan State
does better when his stays inside the family. So who
(13:44):
are the candidates? You know, a name that I have
not heard mentioned ever, at least in a very long
time we're in the context of any recent searches is
Pat Sherman. And I don't understand why he isn't so
one that wouldn't be a good ship.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Well, you're kind of college football head coach. He has
had two failed tenures in the National Football League, and
he's now the offensive coordinator at Colorado. And you know,
there were times when I think that it just wasn't
a good fit. He's just gotten an NFL job or something.
You know, So he had a commitment at Timing never
(14:27):
seemed to line up for Pat. You know. But there
are some other names you mentioned, and you know, we
talk about far flung Jay Bats guy he hired at
Georgia Tech, Brent keyth you know, he's got he's got
them up to number twelve in the nation, undefeated, and
so you know, he's a hot name. He's gonna have
(14:49):
a lot of options. And then you think about other
Midwest guys grins, and you know, I think PJ. Fleck,
who's won double digit games at Minnesota, that's hard to
he would be happy to entertain a job back in
Michigan with more potential, I think than they have with
the Gophers. Now. It doesn't mean Minnesota won't wax in
(15:10):
Michigan State on November first.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
But.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And you think about. You know, I don't think they're
going to try to make another run at Luke Fickel,
although Wisconsin would probably drive him to the airport right now.
But I have three other names here. I want to
run by you and get your take on. Okay, A
lot of people think that Matt Rule is going to
go from Nebraska back home to Penn State where he played.
(15:40):
That leaves a job at Nebraska, and there's talk that
you know, well, maybe James Franklin will go there just
be a trade Nebraska and Penn State. But if you
were in Michigan State, would you want James Franklin? Would
you be interested in? Go ahead? Would you would you
want James Franklin?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
He does not do much for me. I know, I'm
not a you know, he had all the resources in
the world in a blue blood program and he couldn't
deliver there. I don't what makes anybody think he's in
his delivery at Michigan State although they are both lang
(16:18):
Grand colleges.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
That's right, well, and he has had five eleven wins
seasons and last year he was with one play one
bad throw by Drew Aller being in the National Championship Game.
What about two other Pats, not Pat Shermer. What about
Pat Nardoozi who was winning again at pitt Seems he wins, wins,
big loses, wins, keeps his job. Do you think that
(16:42):
he's viable or or Pat Fitzgerald who's largely been exonerated
now the scandal hazing scandal at Northwestern It cost him
his job and made him one hundred million dollars richer.
You know he talks about wanting to get in. He's
still a very guy. He's only fifty years old. He
was the youngest coach in college football when he took
(17:03):
over that program. Fitz we know has a ton of energy.
I can still hear him screaming go Cats every time
he gave a speech. Would you like to see what
Fitzgerald could do here he didn't turn down the University
of Michigan twice? Or would you like to try to
find the Tom Izzo of college football? And everyone says
(17:26):
the guy is the best recruiter in the country. He's
now the offensive coordinator Ohio State. You'd have to wait
a long time because I think the Buckeys are going
to be in this playoff to the end. But he
could be a two time national champion, and that's Brian Hartline.
So who's the needle for you?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm a big pet in ardoozy Sam. I loved covering him.
I think he's you know, I don't know if he
wants to come back. I mean he's home now, right, so,
And I don't think I don't know that Michigan State ever.
I think when he was here, I think he was
(18:05):
all in. But I don't think this was a destination
job for him. So I would make a phone call
to see if things have changed. But you know, so, yeah,
call him up and see what he has to say.
And I think he could get the job. And he
is totally the guy that translates at Michigan State, you know,
(18:30):
kind of a blue collar guy, knows to the grindstone,
a little bit gruff yep papist Gerald I think is
a terrific coach. I think he would be ultramotivated to
work his tail off and do whatever he could to
have success in the Big ten with a Michigan State.
(18:51):
And I think Michigan State lines up well in terms
of resources and facilities and everything. I think they check
a rebox. Why wouldn't he want to come here? You know,
and if Michigan vetted him and liked him, you know,
that's a pretty good endorsement. Herdline. You know, the recruiting
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is the name of the game, and I think knowing
how to do it in this new environment would have
to be a number one consideration. I think that's why
the guy at Georgia Tech is probably someone that you
would want to look at too, because you've got to
understand this system and how to make it work. And
(19:37):
you're not going to give a five year plan like
George burlis Hid. You know, you've got to produce right
away and get talented. And the other thing is that
you know, I don't I don't have a reading on
the donor fatigue at Michigan State, but I got to
believe that guys that say, Okay, I'm going to pony
(19:58):
up the money to pay some kid to come in
here as a freshman or get him as a sophomore,
and they're not going to be there when they're a
junior or senior. I mean, you know, I hear a
lot of donors are really watching that now in terms
of jeez, I invested in this guy, he's developing. Oh
(20:21):
now he's going to Mississippi State or Arizona State or wherever.
So those are all considerations that are in the business
officely the AD's office, and you know, find a guy
that understands that the best and as a good coach.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Grant, thanks so much for your input on this. I'm
sure we'll talk about this again and not too many
yellow cards tonight.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Okay, I'll try not to, you know, And I hope. I
don't know what John Jonathan Smith's future is. You know,
we're already kind of burying him here and I don't know,
maybe there's a chance something changes, But I feel for
(21:11):
these guys. Yeah, you know, I guess I just wouldn't
want someone that you can throw a bunch of money
at and they say they're coming. I think they gotta
find first and foremost, they gotta find someone that wants
to be at Michigan State. That's number one with a bullet.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You know what. One of the best jobs in the
country is Grants, besides the ones that we've had. A
fired college football coach at a major program. Jonathan Smith
is in line for a thirty two buyout.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, yeah, I don't feel too sorry.
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They're making friends. Oh, welcome back. It is a drive
(00:44):
with Jack the Spotlight Radio Network. Jack Eblin here with
my producer Boston Rob. Rob. A lot of nostalgia talking
about coaching changes today, and I want to welcome in
someone who's been through quite a few of them. Maybe
hasn't seen all of them that I have, but you
(01:06):
know he's got to be up there close to double
digit coaches for Michigan State. Want to welcome in Steve Grinzell.
You remember his work for the Grand Rapids Press for
Booth News Service, m live MSU spartans dot com and
probably you've seen him on a soccer field near you, grands.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
How are you, I'm doing good, Jack.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You're on your way to a game in South Bend
in year fifty one.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Right, Yes, I am going to only Cross College, which
is right across the street from Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Wow, yes, I know where that is. Yes. So, when
you think about all of the Michigan State teams you
have covered beginning in nineteen eighty six, did you ever
think we would see an MSU coach who could be
fired after nineteen or twenty games, and not for Ron,
(02:05):
just for the team isn't played.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh yeah, I don't. I guess we've We've covered coaches
in the hot seat for sure. It never seemed to
be Michigan State's mo to terminate a coach during the season.
(02:27):
They seem to have a standard against that of they
have coaches well right, And he's the one that certainly
jumps out front. Whether that was performance on the field
based is more than you know, his management of the
(02:51):
team or his loss of control of the team. You know,
I don't know if if he had been winning, that
wouldn't have it still might have occurred because there was
such a social cultural disruption within the walls of the
(03:13):
football building.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So whether he would have survived regardless, I don't know.
But there was a lot more going on there than
just not producing on the field.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah. So for fans who still think that Michigan State
is the school and the powerhouse it was in the
mid sixties, we have seen other than a blitz pierer
there with George Purlis or Nick Saban and six amazing
(03:48):
years with Mark D'Antonio. This has been a five hundred
program for close to sixty years now, grins. And it
isn't saying much. When you get to pick three non
conference games and you've got a lot of mac opponents
and Prairie views in there, you know this is not
(04:10):
like a sudden departure from the norm. Mark d'antonio's stint
was the departure from the norm.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah. When you look back at Michigan State's history, there
seems to be I don't know, split personality, multiple personalities,
schizophrenia in the DNA of this program. If you go
back to the very beginning with pretty much I mean
the beginning of Michigan State's ascension to a national prominence
(04:46):
which came under Biggie mnd. You know, he had built
it into a national power, won national championships, and Duffy
took over and continue that momentum.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
That season.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yes, but you know, after the sixty six season when
Michigan State was mentioned in the same breath as the
Alabama's and Texas's and Southern cols and every Notre dame,
you name it. I mean, they were right there in
that beer group. Then Duffy didn't continue the momentum. It
(05:30):
slipped away. They foundered for years. They got it back
a little bit under Darryl Rogers, couldn't keep the momentum
really until George Perlis came in and had a five
year planned, delivered on the planned, delivered championships, national rankings, Rose.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Bowl twelve years grants was sixty eight sixty five.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah. Well, because for whatever reason, George didn't maintain the momentum.
You know, they didn't continue and I you know, maybe
it's hard for a place like Michigan State to do it.
You know, they don't have the name brand of Michigan
or Ohio State or or any of the big schools
(06:22):
that suffer these lulls. Better than others, you know. And
then Nick comes in, and he certainly had the program
in the right direction. It wasn't like they were winning
everything in sight. But had he been retained or they
would have kept him, I don't think there's any doubt
that the program would have been, you know, winning in
(06:44):
a very high level, right and then and then yeah,
and you know, arguably one of the best teams of
the country, you know, a national championship caliber team, you know,
and then that goes by the wayside, the momentum wanes.
(07:06):
And then Mark D'Antonio comes in and does a phenomenal
job and really kind of developed the identity of the
program of being one that could develop players and uh
overachieve and over and then you know, all due respect
to Mark, he did a phenomenal job, but then the
(07:27):
momentum waned again. They couldn't maintain that momentum or whatever. Yes, yes,
so that just seems to be the stock market ticket
ticker on Michigan State football. It goes up, it goes down,
it stays down, it rallies, you know, it's uh, it's
(07:50):
it's got to be hard being a Michigan State fan
seeing that the potential is there. They have reached the potential,
they've made it to the playoffs, they've had, they've been
in the name championship conversation, and then you know they're
back to being mediocre five hundred or whatever. So that's
(08:11):
just Michigan State football, you know, in some ways better
than most because of what they've proved they are capable
of doing, and then more frustrating than most because they
just drop off the face of the earth.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And every time there's a change, Grinz, you know, I
said this is gonna be my fourteenth head coach. When
it happens, wow, you see something different. When Duffy retired,
they looked at Barry Switzer, nearly hired him, Johnny Majors,
(08:48):
Lee Corso, and the fourth candidate was a guy they
picked Denny Stoltz who'd been at Alma One Big there
had been a defensive coordinator briefly for Duffy, and so
they went that route, the small, small college route. Then
they said, well that didn't work, So they went out
(09:10):
and got an offensive wizard from the West Coast and
that was a lot of fun while it lasted, bought,
but it could never sustain. And he's still shivering the
entire time. I've never seen anybody shiver in seventy five
degree weather more than Darrell Rodgers. And then they said, okay, well,
(09:30):
you know, we got to find somebody, and I think
they were scared by George, and they took fifty seven
year old Muddy Waters. Muddy said he thought that was
his middle name, fifty seven year old Muddy Waters. And
he was there three years. That was pretty much an
abject failure. Then they went to George and that was
pretty good for a while. And then of course the
(09:53):
headlines with the battles with the president administration, two jobs
and everything that went with that was led to the undoing.
So you can go through all of these hire s grins.
I mean, even when Ron Mason could not get Marvin
Lewis to commit and wound up on recommendation of someone
(10:17):
in the office staffer to hire John L. Smith, you know,
and then they had the search and they got it
right with Antonio. But when that failed and that was uh,
you know, he left at the worst possible time. They
(10:37):
weren't no options, and Bill Beakman was the a D
at that point. Alan Haller was his second command, and
they wound up with Mel Tucker didn't get Luke Fickle
Wisconsin wishes they had, and we know what happened with Mel.
(11:00):
And then Jonathan and he was Haller's guy. I mean,
he did a full court press on this and it
was a one man search and thought that he had
just found a coach who was going to be D'Antonio
two point zero. And here we are, you know, eighteen
games in and you know, people are already putting for
(11:21):
sales signs in front of his house. So, you know,
what is the answer for Michigan State? What do they do?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You know, we've both spent a lot of time in
brain cells debating, you know, what does Michigan State need? Yeah,
you know, I think some of the if you do
the if you would plot of graphs and look at
(11:51):
success based on backround, you know, and then included background
and heritage and all those kinds the things. You know,
it seems like the guys that do best or have
had success at Michigan State have been kind of homegrown
entities that were into the program in some way, shape
(12:15):
or form. Not necessarily Michigan State grands but our former players,
but maybe coach there were ingrained into the community, the culture,
understood the the foibles of Michigan State and the skeletons
in the closets and all those kinds of things, and
(12:38):
you know, those have had the best success. I always
shuddered when they these searches would become far flung and
you know, let's get the guy from where what was
his name, Botelli or he was the hot number, And
I'm like, why would you want a West coast guy
to come to the Midwest and drop him in here
(13:01):
and think he can succeed? I mean, you know, and
it's different now, granted, but back then, it was like,
how is this guy gonna recruit Detroit? You know, how
is he going to get relationships with the public school
league and the Catholic League and you know, and that
(13:21):
was really important back when recruiting high school prospects was
number one, two and three. Now it's a lot different,
I grant you that, but I still think Michigan State
does better when his stays inside the family. So who
(13:44):
are the candidates? You know, a name that I have
not heard mentioned ever, at least in a very long
time we're in the context of any recent searches is
Pat Sherman. And I don't understand why he isn't so
one that wouldn't be a good ship.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Well, you're kind of college football head coach. He has
had two failed tenures in the National Football League, and
he's now the offensive coordinator at Colorado. And you know,
there were times when I think that it just wasn't
a good fit. He's just gotten an NFL job or something.
You know, So he had a commitment at Timing never
(14:27):
seemed to line up for Pat. You know. But there
are some other names you mentioned, and you know, we
talk about far flung Jay Bats guy he hired at
Georgia Tech, Brent keyth you know, he's got he's got
them up to number twelve in the nation, undefeated, and
so you know, he's a hot name. He's gonna have
(14:49):
a lot of options. And then you think about other
Midwest guys grins, and you know, I think PJ. Fleck,
who's won double digit games at Minnesota, that's hard to
he would be happy to entertain a job back in
Michigan with more potential, I think than they have with
the Gophers. Now. It doesn't mean Minnesota won't wax in
(15:10):
Michigan State on November first.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
But.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And you think about. You know, I don't think they're
going to try to make another run at Luke Fickel,
although Wisconsin would probably drive him to the airport right now.
But I have three other names here. I want to
run by you and get your take on. Okay, A
lot of people think that Matt Rule is going to
go from Nebraska back home to Penn State where he played.
(15:40):
That leaves a job at Nebraska, and there's talk that
you know, well, maybe James Franklin will go there just
be a trade Nebraska and Penn State. But if you
were in Michigan State, would you want James Franklin? Would
you be interested in? Go ahead? Would you would you
want James Franklin?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
He does not do much for me. I know, I'm
not a you know, he had all the resources in
the world in a blue blood program and he couldn't
deliver there. I don't what makes anybody think he's in
his delivery at Michigan State although they are both lang
(16:18):
Grand colleges.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
That's right, well, and he has had five eleven wins
seasons and last year he was with one play one
bad throw by Drew Aller being in the National Championship Game.
What about two other Pats, not Pat Shermer. What about
Pat Nardoozi who was winning again at pitt Seems he wins, wins,
big loses, wins, keeps his job. Do you think that
(16:42):
he's viable or or Pat Fitzgerald who's largely been exonerated
now the scandal hazing scandal at Northwestern It cost him
his job and made him one hundred million dollars richer.
You know he talks about wanting to get in. He's
still a very guy. He's only fifty years old. He
was the youngest coach in college football when he took
(17:03):
over that program. Fitz we know has a ton of energy.
I can still hear him screaming go Cats every time
he gave a speech. Would you like to see what
Fitzgerald could do here he didn't turn down the University
of Michigan twice? Or would you like to try to
find the Tom Izzo of college football? And everyone says
(17:26):
the guy is the best recruiter in the country. He's
now the offensive coordinator Ohio State. You'd have to wait
a long time because I think the Buckeys are going
to be in this playoff to the end. But he
could be a two time national champion, and that's Brian Hartline.
So who's the needle for you?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm a big pet in ardoozy Sam. I loved covering him.
I think he's you know, I don't know if he
wants to come back. I mean he's home now, right, so,
And I don't think I don't know that Michigan State ever.
I think when he was here, I think he was
(18:05):
all in. But I don't think this was a destination
job for him. So I would make a phone call
to see if things have changed. But you know, so, yeah,
call him up and see what he has to say.
And I think he could get the job. And he
is totally the guy that translates at Michigan State, you know,
(18:30):
kind of a blue collar guy, knows to the grindstone,
a little bit gruff yep papist Gerald I think is
a terrific coach. I think he would be ultramotivated to
work his tail off and do whatever he could to
have success in the Big ten with a Michigan State.
(18:51):
And I think Michigan State lines up well in terms
of resources and facilities and everything. I think they check
a rebox. Why wouldn't he want to come here? You know,
and if Michigan vetted him and liked him, you know,
that's a pretty good endorsement. Herdline. You know, the recruiting
(19:14):
is the name of the game, and I think knowing
how to do it in this new environment would have
to be a number one consideration. I think that's why
the guy at Georgia Tech is probably someone that you
would want to look at too, because you've got to
understand this system and how to make it work. And
(19:37):
you're not going to give a five year plan like
George burlis Hid. You know, you've got to produce right
away and get talented. And the other thing is that
you know, I don't I don't have a reading on
the donor fatigue at Michigan State, but I got to
believe that guys that say, Okay, I'm going to pony
(19:58):
up the money to pay some kid to come in
here as a freshman or get him as a sophomore,
and they're not going to be there when they're a
junior or senior. I mean, you know, I hear a
lot of donors are really watching that now in terms
of jeez, I invested in this guy, he's developing. Oh
(20:21):
now he's going to Mississippi State or Arizona State or wherever.
So those are all considerations that are in the business
officely the AD's office, and you know, find a guy
that understands that the best and as a good coach.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Grant, thanks so much for your input on this. I'm
sure we'll talk about this again and not too many
yellow cards tonight.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Okay, I'll try not to, you know, And I hope. I
don't know what John Jonathan Smith's future is. You know,
we're already kind of burying him here and I don't know,
maybe there's a chance something changes, But I feel for
(21:11):
these guys. Yeah, you know, I guess I just wouldn't
want someone that you can throw a bunch of money
at and they say they're coming. I think they gotta
find first and foremost, they gotta find someone that wants
to be at Michigan State. That's number one with a bullet.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You know what. One of the best jobs in the
country is Grants, besides the ones that we've had. A
fired college football coach at a major program. Jonathan Smith
is in line for a thirty two buyout.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, yeah, I don't feel too sorry.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
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