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Great afternoon mid Michigan and beyond, and welcome to the
Drive with Jack the Spotlight our radio network. Jack Ebling
here with my producer Boston Rob on a gorgeous Thursday
afternoon here in Greater Lancing, sixty degrees and sunny. Just
about all you could ask for here for early October,
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and it's that time of year.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
We have everything going the start of college hockey's regular
season and for Michigan State tonight against New Hampshire, a
game that we will be at for most people. Their
focus is on the Detroit Tigers, now forcing a game
five tomorrow night back in Seattle Trek Scouble against we
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believe George Kirby on the mound for the Mariners. Detroit
Lions will be heading to Kansas City for a game
against the Chiefs that have been circled on a lot
of calendars. We have high school football continuing now into
the second half of the season, but locally a lot
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of people paying tremendous attention to college football and a
very interesting week in the Big Ten. No one better
to talk about that than our first guest is Tony
Garcia's a great job covering the Michigan Wolverines four the
Detroit Free Press.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Tony, how are you, Jack?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I'm well. Quite a sports equinox we have here, isn't
it It is?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It certainly is. Where are you as we speak?
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I am still at home getting ready. I will fly
out to California in a little under twenty four hours,
and then we got game day not long after that,
so we're about four I guess what are we fifty
one hours and some change away from kickoff because it'll
be a nighttime kick here. Ye, So yeah, I get
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out to LA tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
When I was out there a couple of weeks ago,
and it was actually three weeks ago, Michigan State played
in the LA Coliseum. I left early Thursday morning, and
I always tried to steal an extra day in southern
California when I can, and went to my first game
at Dodger Stadium. And you know, I didn't know I
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was working for most of the time time out there.
I had so much fun. But you sound like this
is going to be a real business trip for you.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Yeah, you know. It was terrible planning on my part. Jack.
I'm not gonna lie. Normally, I'm so used to just
because I got the I got the dog, I got
the fiance, I got the home life. I normally try
to go out to things Friday night and get back
Sunday morning as best I can. But LA is not
the trip to do that for. I should have taken
an early flight tomorrow, gotten in there, and then maybe
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gone to Manhattan Beach or something. However, the last time
I was at Manhattan Beach, the Pacific Palisades were on
fire because I was there Michigan basketball. Michigan Basketball was
playing in the second part of a double dip last
January against USC and UCLA. And I was grabbing lunch
there one day and I walked down to the pier
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and I look up and I knew something was wrong.
I did not know everything that was going on, but
it all escalated very quickly. But yeah, no poor planning
on my part. We'll get them next time.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Tony, the media contingent.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
For across country trip like this, I usually break them
down into two categories. There are those who want to
stay by the airport, they want to come in, they
want to stay as far away from all of the
congestion as they can and just do what they need
to do. And there are those who want to immerse
themselves in it and stay as close to where the
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action is happening. And I usually fall into that category.
When I go to USC, I stay at a place
called the USC Hotel, not a great name, but it's
across the street from campus. It's like staying at Kellogg's
Center if you were to come to Michigan State. And
they have a place called the USC Village, which is
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like a second campus that they have built and has
their Honors college and some dormitories, but just an amazing
environment there, I guess a little bit off of Figaroa.
So if you go there and you get a chance
to see that, it's really an innovative campus design because
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they had the old campus and they said, Okay, now
we're going.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
To add to it. What do we do?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And it's really an interesting place. And then south you
have the big soccer stadium and you have the Colisseum
where the Olympics have been held. And what they've done
on the inside of the Colisseum now is very different
from what it used to be. They've shrunk the capacity,
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but you're going to see a very electric environment and
a lot of Michigan fans will be there.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It seemed like USC bristled a little bit.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
The idea that the only way they could fill up
their stadium was with help from Michigan fans. But they
do not fill it up for all the games, probably
three a year, I would say, our sellouts. So you're
going to see the Counseum it it's best.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Yeah, that's the expectation, and I mean they don't have
to like it, right, but I mean those sellouts are
usually what like Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State, Ohio, State LA.
I mean, I've gotten pushedback on this before, but I
stand by it. LA is not a sports town. There's
just too much going on there. And I mean they
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love USC football when it's good, and right now it's
kind of peetering on that, but there's just I mean,
they don't know the grind that we go through here
with the weather and not having superstars walk up and
down every block. I mean, sports is what we have here, right,
and especially a big, massive brand like Michigan. I mean
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they travel Shrowan More was calling it to Michigan West
earlier this week at his press conference. Now that is
in large part because the expectation is there, not the expectation.
What they will be doing is Michigan's flying out today
a day early here than normal, Uh so they can
acclimate to the time change. And then tomorrow they will
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be practicing at the Bolt, which is the Chargers two
hundred and seventy million dollars practice facility. I think they
know somebody or somebody's affiliated with the Chargers over there.
So so yeah, no, I mean I expect I expect
a massive, massive Michigan contingent this weekend.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Would you expect Jim Harbaugh to be at the game Saturday.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I don't know there are the Charger. The Chargers are
playing in Miami, so he will not he will not
be available, so he.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Wonts No, no, all right, Well, it's going to be
a game that a lot of people are anxious to see,
and the USC is a slight favorite in this game.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
What do you make of the matchup?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
I think it's I think it's a really fun matchup. Right,
it's kind of a good on good situation UFC and
number two total offense in the nation to this point.
They got one of the top two or three passing attacks.
They also got a top twenty rushing game, number seventeen
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in the nation. They're putting up five hundred and sixty
five yards of offense ave game against the Michigan defense.
That's top ten. That has just been everything that you
sort of have come to expect from a Michigan defense.
And then on the flip side, Michigan's offense has been
better than I don't know about better than expected, but
certainly better than a year ago. But so too has
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USC's defense. Now, there have been problems at times with
the defense. I think we saw in Michigan State sort
of have their way a bit with the USC's defense.
Illinois certainly did, putting up thirty four points in a
win at home, but you just I mean, it's it's
really there's just a ton of star power in this matchup.
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I mean, as there is with the brand. It's just
like that on the pay on paper. I mean, you
guys got to see him firsthand. I mean, Jade Miami
is very good. Mckayin Lemon is extremely impressive. Wayman Jordan
can run the rock. The tight end is a really good,
is really good. That that linebacker Gentry, I mean he
looks like he should be a small forward. I mean,
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I mean that guy on tape is like really incredible.
So just I mean, pretty much everything you want, and
it's just going to be who's who is able to
uh Michigan. Michigan's defensive line coach Lewis Posito had a
good line like, this is not about to be like
who's the prettiest team, right, and these teams can can
often both find themselves very pretty. This is going to
be about toughness, and in that regard, it's hard to
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not give Michigan the edge in toughness.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Should Michigan be favored in this game, Tony, and who
wins it?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I don't know that. I don't know that they should
be favored. It is just so tought. Last year, I
think teams were six and twenty two going from East
coast or midwest to the West coast. It is just
a really hard situation. One of those losses was Michigan
going to Washington. That's why they've sort of switched up
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their protocols this year or their game plan. And so,
I mean, it's just so hard to pick a team
like that. And this is not a bad USC team
by any means, right like this is I mean, they're
both born and one teams, both got a ton to
play for, and so no, I mean I thought it
might be a little closer to it pick them. It
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opened at one and a half. I was surprised it
went out to two and a half. However, I say,
I was surprised, and then here I was picking USC
to win the game. I just Michigan has I mean,
it's what they do, so you can't expect them to
not do it. Is win the turnover battle. Michigan has
won the turnover battle in all five games this year.
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But USC is also very good at at forcing and
forcing teams to give the ball by both teams have
generated nine Michigan is plus six in that category. USC
is plus four. I wonder if USC can just keep that.
Even what that's like now, I do think Michigan. It
was funny. I think maybe I'm a little biased because
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before the year, as I was mapping things out, I
picked this as a loss for Michigan. And it's just
kind of hard. I was telling you last week, I'm hardheaded.
It's hard to just get myself to the to the
other side of seeing something like that. But when I
was doing my scouting report and prediction, which will be
up on Saturday morning on free dot Com, the more
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I was writing about it, I was like, man like,
I just kept lean in Michigan more and more and more.
But I couldn't bring myself to take them all the way,
just because it's just because of where it is. If
it was at home, there's no question i'd be picking Michigan.
But I think Oklahoma I did not see. I mean,
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of course Michigan could have won. I didn't really see
much of a pass the victory for them there Nebraska.
Technically Nebraska could have won. That kept it kind of close.
I didn't see much of a pass the victory for
Nebraska their because of the loser DNA we've discussed. This
is the closest just I mean, I really really could
see this one either way.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, And I think if you look at the game
last year in ann Arbor, the USC feels that it
was the better team and let one get away. We
remember the run at the end of the game that
really turned it, and then Michigan got to score it needed,
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But it looked like Miller Moss was completing passes at will.
Would you expect USC to throw for over three hundred yards?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Over three hundred is a lot on Michigan. I mean, now,
Michigan's run DYE is certainly better than its pass defenses.
But I mean, I guess, so USC's averaging three point
thirty eight a game, I don't know that they get
over three hundred, I mean over two fifty. I would
expect I think maybe right in that two seventy five range.
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Put if USC passes for more than three hundred yards,
then I think they will definitely will win the game.
I mean, that would be something really serious for them
to do. But yeah, last year, I mean you talked
about last year in that game and obviously the Coalel
Mullings run, Michigan won a game with not three hundred
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yards of passing, not two hundred, not one hundred, not
fifty thirty two yards of passing offense, and Michigan won
that game. So in some ways, it kind of gives
you confidence if you're Michigan, right, Like, I mean, we
beat these guys without as semblance of a passing attack.
Now we have Bright Underwood. Now we had Donovan McCully
who's opened up. Now we have Andrew Marsh who helps
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Donovan McCauley up open up. Marlon Klein is getting coming
back from that ankle injury. I think they're expecting Hogan
Hansen to go. So for the first time this year,
Bryce will have had some games under his belt, Andrew
Marsh will be in the fold, most of their top
tight ends will be in the fold. And USC's past
defense has been gettable. As you saw firsthand that Michigan
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State has a good passing attack too, but USC has
been suspect in that regard, and so I just it
just feels like it's going to be a high scoring game,
which is not what Michigan plays a lot of and
USC might need. Well. UFC is over all the better
offense's they have a great offense, Michigan has a great defense,
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Michigan has a very good offense, and USC just has
a decent defense. So I keep finding edges for Michigan.
But because of where it is, it's so tough to
pick team to win in that spot.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
If you were the coach of either team, would you
take thirty one points right now?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
So I do?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
That is right? What I have? I have thirty one
twenty seven was my was my official score, but it
felt it almost felt well. I mean, I just I can't, like,
in good conscience pick a game that Michigan's playing in
for both teams to get into the thirties, because I
think this is year four now. Other than TCU that
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TCU Fiesta Bowl game, I don't think I've seen one
I don't like. I mean, I mean so often, I mean,
Michigan does not give up more than twenty four twenty
seven points, and if they do, they're not scoring it,
like there was a couple times last year, like Oregon
I think got thirty four I think Texas got thirty one,
but that was like thirty one to twelve and thirty
four fourteen or something, right, Like. It's not that they
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just don't get in these shootouts where both teams are
going back and forth and back and forth. It's just
so rare. So if I was Michigan, I would sign
up for thirty one. If I'm Michigan, I'll say, yeah,
I'll take thirty one points and our trust that we
can can hold them under it. If I'm USC, I
don't quite know if thirty one's enough. Again, I picked
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it to be enough, but I've this is the toughest
pick I feel I've had all year.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
There aren't many programs that have a historical edge over Michigan,
and in this case, these teams haven't played often. In fact,
they haven't played in Southern California since the nineteen fifties.
I believe USC does have a very slim edge, mostly
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based on Rose Bowl victories. But looking at this from
this passionate point of view, Tony, a lot of people
are looking at this as the Arrogance Bowl. At USC
is a private school and it's considered to be very smug.
Michigan is a public school that thinks it's a private
school and leads the nation in smugness. So I think
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from that standpoint, you can see why there's some friction here.
And you talk about last year's game, how Michigan managed
to come away with a win. You looked at it
and how did this happen? So I think USC has
kind of had this one circled. I don't know if
this is the biggest or second biggest game on the
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Michigan schedule. I think the Oklahoma game because of Charon
and everything with it, that was certainly a big game.
You've got Ohio State at the end of the year
trying to stretch it to five some other games before
that happens. There's a game not too far from here
that some people care about. So where would you say
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this game rang from one to twelve and the Michigan
attention level, I.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Think it's got to be for me, And even going
into the year, I put this one at I guess
I did a difficulty ranking and I ranked it at three,
but in an importance ranking, I ranked it at two
because you could lose. You could lose the Oklahoma game
and still have like that was I'd called that a
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house money game. You could lose it and there's still
room to work with, right, But now that you have
lost it, they got they got to get this USC game.
Otherwise they must run the table in order to go
to the college football playoffs. And that's just not a
place you want to be at four and two, needing
six straight wins. Even if you feel like you should
beat Washington, feel like you should beat Michigan State, I
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feel like you've had the upper hand on Ohio State.
All these things are true, but to do it six
times in a row is not easy. And that's why
I mean, I've called this game sort of the pendulum
swing game. I mean, this is the fourth in the
road they are going one way or the other. I mean,
in the parallels to last year, while they want to
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avoid them and they say, this is an entirely different
team and nothing like last year's going to happen. I mean,
they were ranked four and four and one go into
the West Coast last year and they got popped by Washington,
and then they went one and four over the next
five games. I am certainly not suggesting that's what's about
to happen, but it's amazing I mean, the parallels are
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kind of there, just in terms of I mean, they lost,
they lost to like a Texas Oklahoma game, then they
bounced back with a couple of uninspiring wins. Right, it
was like Nebraska was a little uninspiring and Wisconsin was uninspiring.
Last year it was USC that was uninspiring. It was
Minnesota that was uninspiring. And now you're going to the
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opposite side of the country. And I mean I think
that I think Michigan was favored in that game over
Washington when they lost, So I mean there's a difference there,
but Michigan's got like you. Just for my money, the
way I view this, I think this is the second
most important game on their schedule. Of course they would rather.
I mean, if I told them they're going one on
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one and they're losing the USC and beating Michigan State
or losing the Michigan State and beating USC, they would
all take it out here to take a win over
Michigan State. Like I'm not saying that not important, but
just for the grand scheme of the schedule, this is
the second most important game of the year.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
What do you make of the other Big ten games?
This weekend.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Let's start with Indiana at Oregon, and Kurt Signetti thinks
that they're never going to lose.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, no, he really does. I mean, what a fantastic
slate this is. I mean, this is the I mean,
how many times are we going to have to keep
asking Indiana to prove it? It's like, I mean, I'm
as galthy as anyone of moving the goalpost on because
it's shift so hard to believe. And I mean I
still and again maybe it's the hard headedness. I just
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think that Illinois spot, it was just a spot. It
was just that day. They are certainly not fifty three
points better than Illinois. I mean, I just refuse to
believe that under any circumstance. And I mean there will
be no more goalpost moving in any way, shape or
for me. If they go into outs in and beat Oregon,
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I mean that would be I mean, that's that might
be the win of the year in college football, right,
I mean, I mean, top five, top three performing like
you can't not you can't win there without your a game.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
And so I got one step further than that, Tony,
And have you been to autsin Stadium.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
It's the last one I got to get to Oregon.
Eugene is the last big ten city I gotta get to.
I think we're going there next year, though, which I
am super pumped up about.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I think it is the best home field advantage. And
it's not the biggest stadium, certainly not one hundred plus
thousand seats, but I think it's the most intimidating, more
than Kennick Stadium. So I would say that if Indiana
can go in there and win, in light of what
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they did to I think a pretty decent Illinois team,
I would put Indiana number one on my ballot ahead
of Ohio State next week.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Wow, I don't I don't hate that. I don't hate that.
I mean, although if Ohio State in this Ohio State,
they're playing Illinois obviously, so if they win against Illinois,
I mean people are going to have trouble just with
the brand of that. But yeah, I mean, the winds
would the winds would be better. And like say, Ohio
State beats Illinois by ten, right, it's like, well, Indiana
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beat him by fifty, you beat him by ten, and
they got to win over Oregon. No, it'd be hard,
it'd be hard to argue with and I think whichever
team Oregon or Indiana wins that game, I think their
quarterback is going to be in the short short list
of Heisman candidates at the midpoint of the season.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
If Indiana somehow wins this game, and let's say Ohio
State and Illinois play down to the wire and Indiana
is to ever climb to number one in the rankings,
would the Earth stop spinning on its axis Indiana being
number one football?
Speaker 5 (23:31):
I know my Earth would if I mean, if Indiana
football is ranked number one, I don't. I mean, I
guess that'd be really fitting for twenty twenty five and
just sort of where we're at in the world, I mean,
where nothing is unbelievable. That's about as unbelievable as anything
possibly could be, especially because their basketball program just remains
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so mediocre. It's just, I mean, we are living in
the upside down world. I tell you.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
That's right, That's right. Two more quick questions. What are
we going to see here? Saturday? With UCLA, a team
that was routed by New Mexico and lost to Northwestern
and then dominated Penn State held on for a five
point win, but I was in control and ran for
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two hundred and eighty yards against the Nitney Allons. Coming
in here facing the Michigan State team that gagged went
away last week in Lincoln some horrendous special team's mistakes.
What are we going to see? Is UCLA a totally
different team now? Or with a nine am kickoff for
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their body clocks, are they going to look like the
team that we saw for the first month.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I like this spot for MSU, you know, I mean
just I mean, after the amazing win, right like the
world was against you, you shot the world, and then
now you've got to travel across the country to I mean,
I mean it'll be It's kind of not that the
Spartan Stadium is sleepy, but there's not a ton of
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juice around the program right now. But it is homecoming,
so there will be some people and some alumni back
even more so than usual for this game. And you
just got the win of your season. Everybody's riding high.
Like I would almost if I'm like Michigan State, I
almost prefer that they just beat Penn State as opposed
to had they had they been moved to zero to five,
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and this week they fire their coach and now you're
getting the new coach bump like the one week invigoration
of the Juice. So I mean, I mean, if Michigan
State doesn't beat UCLA at home, I mean, Jonathan Smith
might as well not even show up to the press
conference and the time is a building on Monday or whatever.
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I mean, that would be in in excuse usable, inexcusable.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, I think that that would be not the beginning
of the end because some people are already on that train,
but it would certainly be almost impossible to come back.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
From last thing.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
For you, how long is Bill Belichick going to be
coaching at North Carolina when the board is having secret
meetings and talking about escape strategies and conversations about this.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Didn't we just start this thing?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Yeah, if it was up to me. When when my
girlfriend fifty years my younger was instructing whatever was E
sixties or CBS The Minute, whatever show, whatever documentary was that,
and she's saying, we're not asking those questions and then
she's patrolling the sidelines that and my practices at my games,
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I mean the circus that I mean, there was fading.
Fading this North Carolina ce in was easier than fading.
Deon Sanders going to Colorado. I mean, sometimes you can
just see a Mount Vesuvius about to a rough before
it does, and this was just like just a catastrophe.
I mean, I don't know how North Carolina is not
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just completely ashamed, embarrassed, humiliated. I mean, I mean it's
not like the football team is a proud program. But
I mean I mean Mac Brown and recent like recent years, right,
and then Drake May and Lamarion Hampton. I mean, they've
had some studs. They've had some good players like Chip
Lindsay was just there and he can obviously call plays.
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They've had some football people who know what's going on.
And it's an unbelievably prestigious university with a good athletics
department overall. I mean, like I mean not just men's basketball, right,
but like they I think it's women's like field hockey
or lacrosse or soccer. That like they just hired their
former player and then she like she won like four
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national championships player and then one one as a coach
or something. I mean, I mean, they've got it all.
And so to let your uh, to let the biggest
money sport flounder like this in such humiliating public fashion
is just I mean, it's despicable. Frankly, I don't understand
how Bill Belichick is still there.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I really don't. Tony.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Have a great time out in southern California. We'll talk
to you next week.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Thanks, Jack, appreciated, talk to you next week.
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here with my producer Boston Rob on a gorgeous Thursday
afternoon here in Greater Lancing, sixty degrees and sunny. Just
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Speaker 3 (00:54):
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We have everything going the start of college hockey's regular
season and for Michigan State tonight against New Hampshire, a
game that we will be at for most people. Their
focus is on the Detroit Tigers, now forcing a game
five tomorrow night back in Seattle Trek Scouble against we
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believe George Kirby on the mound for the Mariners. Detroit
Lions will be heading to Kansas City for a game
against the Chiefs that have been circled on a lot
of calendars. We have high school football continuing now into
the second half of the season, but locally a lot
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of people paying tremendous attention to college football and a
very interesting week in the Big Ten. No one better
to talk about that than our first guest is Tony
Garcia's a great job covering the Michigan Wolverines four the
Detroit Free Press.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Tony, how are you, Jack?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I'm well. Quite a sports equinox we have here, isn't
it It is?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It certainly is. Where are you as we speak?
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I am still at home getting ready. I will fly
out to California in a little under twenty four hours,
and then we got game day not long after that,
so we're about four I guess what are we fifty
one hours and some change away from kickoff because it'll
be a nighttime kick here. Ye, So yeah, I get
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out to LA tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
When I was out there a couple of weeks ago,
and it was actually three weeks ago, Michigan State played
in the LA Coliseum. I left early Thursday morning, and
I always tried to steal an extra day in southern
California when I can, and went to my first game
at Dodger Stadium. And you know, I didn't know I
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was working for most of the time time out there.
I had so much fun. But you sound like this
is going to be a real business trip for you.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Yeah, you know. It was terrible planning on my part. Jack.
I'm not gonna lie. Normally, I'm so used to just
because I got the I got the dog, I got
the fiance, I got the home life. I normally try
to go out to things Friday night and get back
Sunday morning as best I can. But LA is not
the trip to do that for. I should have taken
an early flight tomorrow, gotten in there, and then maybe
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gone to Manhattan Beach or something. However, the last time
I was at Manhattan Beach, the Pacific Palisades were on
fire because I was there Michigan basketball. Michigan Basketball was
playing in the second part of a double dip last
January against USC and UCLA. And I was grabbing lunch
there one day and I walked down to the pier
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and I look up and I knew something was wrong.
I did not know everything that was going on, but
it all escalated very quickly. But yeah, no poor planning
on my part. We'll get them next time.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Tony, the media contingent.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
For across country trip like this, I usually break them
down into two categories. There are those who want to
stay by the airport, they want to come in, they
want to stay as far away from all of the
congestion as they can and just do what they need
to do. And there are those who want to immerse
themselves in it and stay as close to where the
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action is happening. And I usually fall into that category.
When I go to USC, I stay at a place
called the USC Hotel, not a great name, but it's
across the street from campus. It's like staying at Kellogg's
Center if you were to come to Michigan State. And
they have a place called the USC Village, which is
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like a second campus that they have built and has
their Honors college and some dormitories, but just an amazing
environment there, I guess a little bit off of Figaroa.
So if you go there and you get a chance
to see that, it's really an innovative campus design because
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they had the old campus and they said, Okay, now
we're going.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
To add to it. What do we do?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And it's really an interesting place. And then south you
have the big soccer stadium and you have the Colisseum
where the Olympics have been held. And what they've done
on the inside of the Colisseum now is very different
from what it used to be. They've shrunk the capacity,
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but you're going to see a very electric environment and
a lot of Michigan fans will be there.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It seemed like USC bristled a little bit.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
The idea that the only way they could fill up
their stadium was with help from Michigan fans. But they
do not fill it up for all the games, probably
three a year, I would say, our sellouts. So you're
going to see the Counseum it it's best.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Yeah, that's the expectation, and I mean they don't have
to like it, right, but I mean those sellouts are
usually what like Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State, Ohio, State LA.
I mean, I've gotten pushedback on this before, but I
stand by it. LA is not a sports town. There's
just too much going on there. And I mean they
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love USC football when it's good, and right now it's
kind of peetering on that, but there's just I mean,
they don't know the grind that we go through here
with the weather and not having superstars walk up and
down every block. I mean, sports is what we have here, right,
and especially a big, massive brand like Michigan. I mean
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they travel Shrowan More was calling it to Michigan West
earlier this week at his press conference. Now that is
in large part because the expectation is there, not the expectation.
What they will be doing is Michigan's flying out today
a day early here than normal, Uh so they can
acclimate to the time change. And then tomorrow they will
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be practicing at the Bolt, which is the Chargers two
hundred and seventy million dollars practice facility. I think they
know somebody or somebody's affiliated with the Chargers over there.
So so yeah, no, I mean I expect I expect
a massive, massive Michigan contingent this weekend.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Would you expect Jim Harbaugh to be at the game Saturday.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I don't know there are the Charger. The Chargers are
playing in Miami, so he will not he will not
be available, so he.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Wonts No, no, all right, Well, it's going to be
a game that a lot of people are anxious to see,
and the USC is a slight favorite in this game.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
What do you make of the matchup?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
I think it's I think it's a really fun matchup. Right,
it's kind of a good on good situation UFC and
number two total offense in the nation to this point.
They got one of the top two or three passing attacks.
They also got a top twenty rushing game, number seventeen
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in the nation. They're putting up five hundred and sixty
five yards of offense ave game against the Michigan defense.
That's top ten. That has just been everything that you
sort of have come to expect from a Michigan defense.
And then on the flip side, Michigan's offense has been
better than I don't know about better than expected, but
certainly better than a year ago. But so too has
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USC's defense. Now, there have been problems at times with
the defense. I think we saw in Michigan State sort
of have their way a bit with the USC's defense.
Illinois certainly did, putting up thirty four points in a
win at home, but you just I mean, it's it's
really there's just a ton of star power in this matchup.
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I mean, as there is with the brand. It's just
like that on the pay on paper. I mean, you
guys got to see him firsthand. I mean, Jade Miami
is very good. Mckayin Lemon is extremely impressive. Wayman Jordan
can run the rock. The tight end is a really good,
is really good. That that linebacker Gentry, I mean he
looks like he should be a small forward. I mean,
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I mean that guy on tape is like really incredible.
So just I mean, pretty much everything you want, and
it's just going to be who's who is able to
uh Michigan. Michigan's defensive line coach Lewis Posito had a
good line like, this is not about to be like
who's the prettiest team, right, and these teams can can
often both find themselves very pretty. This is going to
be about toughness, and in that regard, it's hard to
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not give Michigan the edge in toughness.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Should Michigan be favored in this game, Tony, and who
wins it?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I don't know that. I don't know that they should
be favored. It is just so tought. Last year, I
think teams were six and twenty two going from East
coast or midwest to the West coast. It is just
a really hard situation. One of those losses was Michigan
going to Washington. That's why they've sort of switched up
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their protocols this year or their game plan. And so,
I mean, it's just so hard to pick a team
like that. And this is not a bad USC team
by any means, right like this is I mean, they're
both born and one teams, both got a ton to
play for, and so no, I mean I thought it
might be a little closer to it pick them. It
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opened at one and a half. I was surprised it
went out to two and a half. However, I say,
I was surprised, and then here I was picking USC
to win the game. I just Michigan has I mean,
it's what they do, so you can't expect them to
not do it. Is win the turnover battle. Michigan has
won the turnover battle in all five games this year.
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But USC is also very good at at forcing and
forcing teams to give the ball by both teams have
generated nine Michigan is plus six in that category. USC
is plus four. I wonder if USC can just keep that.
Even what that's like now, I do think Michigan. It
was funny. I think maybe I'm a little biased because
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before the year, as I was mapping things out, I
picked this as a loss for Michigan. And it's just
kind of hard. I was telling you last week, I'm hardheaded.
It's hard to just get myself to the to the
other side of seeing something like that. But when I
was doing my scouting report and prediction, which will be
up on Saturday morning on free dot Com, the more
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I was writing about it, I was like, man like,
I just kept lean in Michigan more and more and more.
But I couldn't bring myself to take them all the way,
just because it's just because of where it is. If
it was at home, there's no question i'd be picking Michigan.
But I think Oklahoma I did not see. I mean,
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of course Michigan could have won. I didn't really see
much of a pass the victory for them there Nebraska.
Technically Nebraska could have won. That kept it kind of close.
I didn't see much of a pass the victory for
Nebraska their because of the loser DNA we've discussed. This
is the closest just I mean, I really really could
see this one either way.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, And I think if you look at the game
last year in ann Arbor, the USC feels that it
was the better team and let one get away. We
remember the run at the end of the game that
really turned it, and then Michigan got to score it needed,
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But it looked like Miller Moss was completing passes at will.
Would you expect USC to throw for over three hundred yards?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Over three hundred is a lot on Michigan. I mean, now,
Michigan's run DYE is certainly better than its pass defenses.
But I mean, I guess, so USC's averaging three point
thirty eight a game, I don't know that they get
over three hundred, I mean over two fifty. I would
expect I think maybe right in that two seventy five range.
(13:20):
Put if USC passes for more than three hundred yards,
then I think they will definitely will win the game.
I mean, that would be something really serious for them
to do. But yeah, last year, I mean you talked
about last year in that game and obviously the Coalel
Mullings run, Michigan won a game with not three hundred
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yards of passing, not two hundred, not one hundred, not
fifty thirty two yards of passing offense, and Michigan won
that game. So in some ways, it kind of gives
you confidence if you're Michigan, right, Like, I mean, we
beat these guys without as semblance of a passing attack.
Now we have Bright Underwood. Now we had Donovan McCully
who's opened up. Now we have Andrew Marsh who helps
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Donovan McCauley up open up. Marlon Klein is getting coming
back from that ankle injury. I think they're expecting Hogan
Hansen to go. So for the first time this year,
Bryce will have had some games under his belt, Andrew
Marsh will be in the fold, most of their top
tight ends will be in the fold. And USC's past
defense has been gettable. As you saw firsthand that Michigan
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State has a good passing attack too, but USC has
been suspect in that regard, and so I just it
just feels like it's going to be a high scoring game,
which is not what Michigan plays a lot of and
USC might need. Well. UFC is over all the better
offense's they have a great offense, Michigan has a great defense,
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Michigan has a very good offense, and USC just has
a decent defense. So I keep finding edges for Michigan.
But because of where it is, it's so tough to
pick team to win in that spot.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
If you were the coach of either team, would you
take thirty one points right now?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
So I do?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
That is right? What I have? I have thirty one
twenty seven was my was my official score, but it
felt it almost felt well. I mean, I just I can't, like,
in good conscience pick a game that Michigan's playing in
for both teams to get into the thirties, because I
think this is year four now. Other than TCU that
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TCU Fiesta Bowl game, I don't think I've seen one
I don't like. I mean, I mean so often, I mean,
Michigan does not give up more than twenty four twenty
seven points, and if they do, they're not scoring it,
like there was a couple times last year, like Oregon
I think got thirty four I think Texas got thirty one,
but that was like thirty one to twelve and thirty
four fourteen or something, right, Like. It's not that they
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just don't get in these shootouts where both teams are
going back and forth and back and forth. It's just
so rare. So if I was Michigan, I would sign
up for thirty one. If I'm Michigan, I'll say, yeah,
I'll take thirty one points and our trust that we
can can hold them under it. If I'm USC, I
don't quite know if thirty one's enough. Again, I picked
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it to be enough, but I've this is the toughest
pick I feel I've had all year.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
There aren't many programs that have a historical edge over Michigan,
and in this case, these teams haven't played often. In fact,
they haven't played in Southern California since the nineteen fifties.
I believe USC does have a very slim edge, mostly
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based on Rose Bowl victories. But looking at this from
this passionate point of view, Tony, a lot of people
are looking at this as the Arrogance Bowl. At USC
is a private school and it's considered to be very smug.
Michigan is a public school that thinks it's a private
school and leads the nation in smugness. So I think
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from that standpoint, you can see why there's some friction here.
And you talk about last year's game, how Michigan managed
to come away with a win. You looked at it
and how did this happen? So I think USC has
kind of had this one circled. I don't know if
this is the biggest or second biggest game on the
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Michigan schedule. I think the Oklahoma game because of Charon
and everything with it, that was certainly a big game.
You've got Ohio State at the end of the year
trying to stretch it to five some other games before
that happens. There's a game not too far from here
that some people care about. So where would you say
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this game rang from one to twelve and the Michigan
attention level, I.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Think it's got to be for me, And even going
into the year, I put this one at I guess
I did a difficulty ranking and I ranked it at three,
but in an importance ranking, I ranked it at two
because you could lose. You could lose the Oklahoma game
and still have like that was I'd called that a
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house money game. You could lose it and there's still
room to work with, right, But now that you have
lost it, they got they got to get this USC game.
Otherwise they must run the table in order to go
to the college football playoffs. And that's just not a
place you want to be at four and two, needing
six straight wins. Even if you feel like you should
beat Washington, feel like you should beat Michigan State, I
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feel like you've had the upper hand on Ohio State.
All these things are true, but to do it six
times in a row is not easy. And that's why
I mean, I've called this game sort of the pendulum
swing game. I mean, this is the fourth in the
road they are going one way or the other. I mean,
in the parallels to last year, while they want to
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avoid them and they say, this is an entirely different
team and nothing like last year's going to happen. I mean,
they were ranked four and four and one go into
the West Coast last year and they got popped by Washington,
and then they went one and four over the next
five games. I am certainly not suggesting that's what's about
to happen, but it's amazing I mean, the parallels are
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kind of there, just in terms of I mean, they lost,
they lost to like a Texas Oklahoma game, then they
bounced back with a couple of uninspiring wins. Right, it
was like Nebraska was a little uninspiring and Wisconsin was uninspiring.
Last year it was USC that was uninspiring. It was
Minnesota that was uninspiring. And now you're going to the
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opposite side of the country. And I mean I think
that I think Michigan was favored in that game over
Washington when they lost, So I mean there's a difference there,
but Michigan's got like you. Just for my money, the
way I view this, I think this is the second
most important game on their schedule. Of course they would rather.
I mean, if I told them they're going one on
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one and they're losing the USC and beating Michigan State
or losing the Michigan State and beating USC, they would
all take it out here to take a win over
Michigan State. Like I'm not saying that not important, but
just for the grand scheme of the schedule, this is
the second most important game of the year.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
What do you make of the other Big ten games?
This weekend.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Let's start with Indiana at Oregon, and Kurt Signetti thinks
that they're never going to lose.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, no, he really does. I mean, what a fantastic
slate this is. I mean, this is the I mean,
how many times are we going to have to keep
asking Indiana to prove it? It's like, I mean, I'm
as galthy as anyone of moving the goalpost on because
it's shift so hard to believe. And I mean I
still and again maybe it's the hard headedness. I just
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think that Illinois spot, it was just a spot. It
was just that day. They are certainly not fifty three
points better than Illinois. I mean, I just refuse to
believe that under any circumstance. And I mean there will
be no more goalpost moving in any way, shape or
for me. If they go into outs in and beat Oregon,
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I mean that would be I mean, that's that might
be the win of the year in college football, right,
I mean, I mean, top five, top three performing like
you can't not you can't win there without your a game.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
And so I got one step further than that, Tony,
And have you been to autsin Stadium.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
It's the last one I got to get to Oregon.
Eugene is the last big ten city I gotta get to.
I think we're going there next year, though, which I
am super pumped up about.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I think it is the best home field advantage. And
it's not the biggest stadium, certainly not one hundred plus
thousand seats, but I think it's the most intimidating, more
than Kennick Stadium. So I would say that if Indiana
can go in there and win, in light of what
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they did to I think a pretty decent Illinois team,
I would put Indiana number one on my ballot ahead
of Ohio State next week.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Wow, I don't I don't hate that. I don't hate that.
I mean, although if Ohio State in this Ohio State,
they're playing Illinois obviously, so if they win against Illinois,
I mean people are going to have trouble just with
the brand of that. But yeah, I mean, the winds
would the winds would be better. And like say, Ohio
State beats Illinois by ten, right, it's like, well, Indiana
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beat him by fifty, you beat him by ten, and
they got to win over Oregon. No, it'd be hard,
it'd be hard to argue with and I think whichever
team Oregon or Indiana wins that game, I think their
quarterback is going to be in the short short list
of Heisman candidates at the midpoint of the season.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
If Indiana somehow wins this game, and let's say Ohio
State and Illinois play down to the wire and Indiana
is to ever climb to number one in the rankings,
would the Earth stop spinning on its axis Indiana being
number one football?
Speaker 5 (23:31):
I know my Earth would if I mean, if Indiana
football is ranked number one, I don't. I mean, I
guess that'd be really fitting for twenty twenty five and
just sort of where we're at in the world, I mean,
where nothing is unbelievable. That's about as unbelievable as anything
possibly could be, especially because their basketball program just remains
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so mediocre. It's just, I mean, we are living in
the upside down world. I tell you.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
That's right, That's right. Two more quick questions. What are
we going to see here? Saturday? With UCLA, a team
that was routed by New Mexico and lost to Northwestern
and then dominated Penn State held on for a five
point win, but I was in control and ran for
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two hundred and eighty yards against the Nitney Allons. Coming
in here facing the Michigan State team that gagged went
away last week in Lincoln some horrendous special team's mistakes.
What are we going to see? Is UCLA a totally
different team now? Or with a nine am kickoff for
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their body clocks, are they going to look like the
team that we saw for the first month.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I like this spot for MSU, you know, I mean
just I mean, after the amazing win, right like the
world was against you, you shot the world, and then
now you've got to travel across the country to I mean,
I mean it'll be It's kind of not that the
Spartan Stadium is sleepy, but there's not a ton of
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juice around the program right now. But it is homecoming,
so there will be some people and some alumni back
even more so than usual for this game. And you
just got the win of your season. Everybody's riding high.
Like I would almost if I'm like Michigan State, I
almost prefer that they just beat Penn State as opposed
to had they had they been moved to zero to five,
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and this week they fire their coach and now you're
getting the new coach bump like the one week invigoration
of the Juice. So I mean, I mean, if Michigan
State doesn't beat UCLA at home, I mean, Jonathan Smith
might as well not even show up to the press
conference and the time is a building on Monday or whatever.
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I mean, that would be in in excuse usable, inexcusable.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, I think that that would be not the beginning
of the end because some people are already on that train,
but it would certainly be almost impossible to come back.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
From last thing.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
For you, how long is Bill Belichick going to be
coaching at North Carolina when the board is having secret
meetings and talking about escape strategies and conversations about this.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Didn't we just start this thing?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Yeah, if it was up to me. When when my
girlfriend fifty years my younger was instructing whatever was E
sixties or CBS The Minute, whatever show, whatever documentary was that,
and she's saying, we're not asking those questions and then
she's patrolling the sidelines that and my practices at my games,
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I mean the circus that I mean, there was fading.
Fading this North Carolina ce in was easier than fading.
Deon Sanders going to Colorado. I mean, sometimes you can
just see a Mount Vesuvius about to a rough before
it does, and this was just like just a catastrophe.
I mean, I don't know how North Carolina is not
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just completely ashamed, embarrassed, humiliated. I mean, I mean it's
not like the football team is a proud program. But
I mean I mean Mac Brown and recent like recent years, right,
and then Drake May and Lamarion Hampton. I mean, they've
had some studs. They've had some good players like Chip
Lindsay was just there and he can obviously call plays.
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They've had some football people who know what's going on.
And it's an unbelievably prestigious university with a good athletics
department overall. I mean, like I mean not just men's basketball, right,
but like they I think it's women's like field hockey
or lacrosse or soccer. That like they just hired their
former player and then she like she won like four
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national championships player and then one one as a coach
or something. I mean, I mean, they've got it all.
And so to let your uh, to let the biggest
money sport flounder like this in such humiliating public fashion
is just I mean, it's despicable. Frankly, I don't understand
how Bill Belichick is still there.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I really don't. Tony.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Have a great time out in southern California. We'll talk
to you next week.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Thanks, Jack, appreciated, talk to you next week.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Game Day in East Lansing. Just got taste here.
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Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Gambling here with my good friend Matt Sloan.
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A graph of Olchemists.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Big summer here, Matt.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's right, Jack, we got the summer savings going on
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It's been a great summer. We got great deals for.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
You zero percent.
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Can't get much flower than that.
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That's exactly right.
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Topacy Matt in the gang here on West Grand River, Okamtz.
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They're making friends.
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