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October 14, 2025 24 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Field goal here attempt for go back, Dad snap, Dad
hold kick his block and Utah recovers it at their
own thirty four yard line.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
That book never had a chance?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Who it never had a chance?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hand off Rogers bouncing around to the outside, the carry.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
To the ten, to the five heads, cut down to
Harry Rogers.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Devin keeps it. Devin Dancy cut him to the inside
by four.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Great cold, He's in, He's in. It's a hat trick
for Dance are his third rushing touchdown tonight. The dulcet
tones of the voice of the youths who you'll hear
on Saturday night calling another Holy War as Utah and
BYU are set for a six o'clock kickoff. Bill Riley
on a Tuesday afternoon, Hello, Ryles, how are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I am great Spencer. It'll be my thirteenth rivalry game
Holy War broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Wow thirteen in the books. I wanted to ask you
right off the top.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Is there? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's always the Brandon Burton block field goal that Doulce
just ran over. Unfortunately ruined your call for usual, But
that might be my most memorable Bill Riley rivalry call
in his Is there one that stands out to you.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well. Of the calls, Jason Shelley's touchdown in that comfort
behind win twenty eight to seven down to come back
was pretty great. Taysom Hill being stopped at the goal
line when they went for two, that was pretty good.
My favorite game was probably the fifty four to ten

(01:42):
beatdown in Provo when the Wolf van John White went
crazy that night with one hundred and seventy four yards
and three touchdowns. And then of course the famous Beck
to Harlean play. That was my very first, very first
BYU Utah game to call. So there have been some
good ones. They always spent, say, always feel like there's
you know, there's a couple outliers in there. But for

(02:04):
like the last decade, they've all felt like they were
one possession games, pretty close.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
With chaos at the end. You know, Like even last year,
I was on the sidelines, I'm like, oh, it's over,
and then it very much was not, and then boom
the kid kicked the kicks a game winning field goal
and you just go, holy smokes, how'd that happen?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
You know?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Right? Utah three point five point favorite, even though they're
on the road, and I feel like most everybody I've
spoken to believe that. I believes that actually makes sense.
Were you surprised to see the line open with Utah's
as a favorite. What do you make of that?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I'm not really surprised. I don't think it will go
up much unless there's an injury situation in provo. I
just think Utah's played a little bit better schedule. I mean,
I think the Texas Tech game and then the Arizona
State game, and I know Arizona State didn't have Levitt,
but he wasn't playing defense and they gave up forty
two to Utah. So I just think they're just a

(02:57):
little bit better tested than BYU is. That's not taking
anything away from what b what you've done. Two road
wins come from behind, road wins against solid do slightly
above solid teams in Colorado and Arizona, So I wasn't
real surprised. I thought it might be a one or
two point line either way, But I feel like that's
in the ballpark.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
It really does, to your point, come down to has
BYU faced a stiff enough challenge to be prepared for
what will happen Saturday night, Because I think I'm still
at the same place with the Utes that I was
prior to the start of the season and then interviewing
coaches and listening to sound and watching games. I thought
they were really good to start, thought that a chance
to be one of the contenders in the Big Twelve.

(03:39):
I still think they're there, But it does come down
to you know, I said at the start of the year,
there's a chance both these teams are six and oh
prior to this game coming up on Saturday. Now, this
was before I saw the juggernaut that they have down
to Texas Tech. But when it comes to the dynamic
of being tested, did Utah answer questions in your mind?

(04:00):
As far as the game against Arizona State, I think.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
They did, especially with the offense. Again, you know, Jeff
Simms was a capable backup quarterback and Utah's defense. Did
I think ASU would have put up a few more points?
I think the defense was pretty well dialed in. They
stopped the run well, but I think again Arizona State's defense,
they were second to the league in rushing, given up
seventy eight yards a game. Utah ran for two seventy

(04:24):
six and one hundred and eighty three in the first half,
and they scored on all but two of their drives.
They punted once in the end of the game. So
to me, that Arizona State defense wasn't beat up. They
weren't missing three or four guys. They were good. And
I think Utah doing that and in kind of an
adverse situation weather wise, and you know, everything was kind

(04:46):
of thrown off the routine and warm ups and stuff.
I thought they did a really, really good job. I
don't think Arizona State's quite as good as they were
a year ago, even with Sam Levitt. I think Tyson's
really their one weapon in the pass game. They had
a few last year, but that's still a really good team.
And between Utah and BYU, that's the best win between

(05:07):
the two schools so far. Again, it was against the
ranked team, so I think they're a little bit more tested.
And again you're right, Texa wagon Man, Texas Tech is
really good. I don't know if they're national championship good,
but they're certainly to me, the class of the Big
twelve right now.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Tell me where you're at six games. Chason Beck play caller,
Devin Dampier quarterback offensive line that, according to most metrics,
one of the best in the country. I mean the
offensive numbers, Bill are Gotti third in the country in
touchdown rate, first in the country and converting third and
fourth downs. They converted twenty seven of US twenty eight
red zone opportunities and twenty five of those have been touchdowns.

(05:48):
So probably time to give these guys their flowers. As
the kids say, where are you at with the way
that coach Beck and Devin and the line has been
able to move the football?

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, I think it starts with the O line.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I do.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I think the O line didn't have a great day
against a really stout front for Texas Tech. But when
the O line is getting push, that allowed. And I
think Devin dan Pierre's health is really good too now,
and I don't think he was complaying. We know he
wasn't healthy against Texas Tech, certainly not one hundred percent.
So I think when the line is really good and

(06:22):
Devon is healthy, I mean, you know he was running
around the other night looking really really good, that allows
Jason Beck to do a lot of things with the offense.
But it all starts up front. So I think they're
really good. I just I think in that Texas Tech
game they ran into a team that was ready to
play and very talented. And again, that was a game
for three quarters. It just wasn't a game for the

(06:43):
last half of the fourth quarter. But I think they're
in a good spot right now, Spence, I do. Now
that being said, I think b Yu is good. I
don't know how good, because they really haven't played a
really good team yet and they're going to play one
on Saturday night down there. But I think, you know,
and again, it's a rivalry game and everybody will be
up for it. And much like WIT's always done a
good job getting Utah for these games, I think Kilani

(07:05):
does the same thing because Kilani has been there for
a decade and it feels like every game for the
last decade has been close. So I fully expect the
game Saturday night to be a competitive, slobber knocker of
a physical game that's going to probably come down to
a drive in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
What do you think this week is like for WIT?
It's it's always interesting to consider. And you know, as
I've repeated multiple times this week, and I'll continue to repeat,
I haven't really covered the whole like hey, last dance
for Kyle thing because I don't know I have no
idea whether or not this is it for him now,
the undercurrent of the potential, because people that are a
bit more plugged in than I do believe this is it.

(07:45):
So the undercurrent of the potential of this being Kyle's
last chance to go beat those guys I do find
interesting to consider. Of course, he does media on Monday.
He chooses out to talk about barbar Bachmeyer, which the
Natives are restless, so shout out to everyone who's sad
about that. But there does feel to to me there's
something extra there this week with Kyle. There always has been,

(08:06):
and we had Doctor Hill and Studio yesterday. He told
some great stories about how you know he witnessed the
way Kyle coaches. This week, a lot of former players
talked about the intensity that he brings to the table,
where essentially the message is we do not lose to
those guys. But it's been two straight and it's been
four years since they've won. How do you think this
week lands with him?

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Bill? I think it's as much as he might play
it down, it's a huge game for him. And you've
talked to the same guys I talked to. There's a
different vibe in the building the week of the BYU game.
There just simply is here's what adds another layer to
this spence. Half of Kyle's staff played or coached at BYU,

(08:48):
and four or five assistants on Kilani's staff coached or
played at Utah. I mean these guys, and Kilanie was
there for a lot of the by Klonie knows how
they prepare. He knows Kyle takes this thing seriously, but
so does he. I just it's such an interesting dynamic.
And you could talk about Alabama and Auburn and Ohio
State and Michigan and some of these I've maintained forever.

(09:11):
It's not the biggest rivalry in college football, but it
might be the most unique rivalry spense because of all
the inter all the side stories, all the cultural stuff,
all the football stuff, and the coaching and the players,
all of it. And then you can make a case
Utah's best defensive player this year John Henry Daily transferred
from BYU and want to be BYU's most important defensive players.

(09:33):
Keanu Tannavasa transferred from Utah. So you've got a lot
of storylines going on in this thing. But the antswer
go back to what you said. It's an important game.
And guys that have played up there, guys that have
coached up there, they'll all tell you in that building
this week, it's pretty intense.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Interesting. I've read that John Henry Daly is Dave Nixon's nephew.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
I was not aware of Jayson Hill's nephew too.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Wow, well, man, they're breeding down there. I guess, yeah,
that's it. And I had not realized that there was
because he has been massive.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Bill.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I mean, you and I talked prior to the season
about I think it was five players across the front
that coach went and Morgan had to replace and who
was going to be the guy, And that answer has
clearly been John Henry Daily.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
He's been fantastic. And you know, we talked to him
in the first game and he's like, Yeah, I wanted
to come up here, and I wanted to play, and
I wanted to have an opportunity to kind of play
in that great lineage of defensive ends at the University
of Utah. And he said, my dad's always played and
coached me hard. And I asked him about his cousins
or his uncles. He had Dave Nixon's one of his uncles,

(10:38):
Taysom Hills one of his uncles, and he's very happy
at Utah. And I'll tell you what, Spence, that kid's
got a motor. I know there's been a lot of
comparisons to Hunter Demock, and I think those are accurate
in a lot of ways. But this kid, he's only
a red shirt sophomore. He's going to get better as
they go. And right now he's got eight sacks, which
is tied for third in the country. And he's I mean,

(10:58):
even on the place that he doesn't get to the quarterback,
he's chasing down running backs and wide receivers. He just
it reminds me again, I'm not making the comparison here,
but if you watch Aiden Hutchinson play for the for
the Lions, that guy just has a motor that doesn't
stop even if he doesn't get the sack. He's chasing
somebody down. And the way John Henry daily plays reminds

(11:19):
me of that too.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
We had the Chief Data dweeve is that the did
I get his title right? Porter the chief data nerd
from Sumer Sports earlier Senior data scientists, Thank you, Senior
Data Scientist it was I'm teasing. It was very illuminating
actually because he pointed out one dynamic and I don't
know how much this has to do that. You know,
there's some injuries in the secondary. Of course, Smith did

(11:42):
a great job against the Jordan Tyson kid last week.
But one area here, Bill is you taught to coach.
WIT's own admission and point at times has struggled tackling
in the open field. And they're twenty in the twenty
eighth percentile in you know, limiting chunk plays and by
you under a rod, they want to set you up
with a run on the screen, then they want to

(12:03):
try to go over the top. Is that an area
you think of concern for Utah with his game coming
up on Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Well, I think Utah answered some questions last week. I mean,
Kyle Weddingham said they're going to throw the ball deep
a bunch, and they did. They threw I mean Jordan
Tyson was targeted sixteen times and he had eight catches.
But Spence he had forty yards. None of those downfield
shots took, you know, and it wasn't just miss Snowdon,
it was Blake Cotton who was down there. It was

(12:30):
Elijah Davis who was down there was Jackson Benny who
was down there too. I think Utah does a good job.
I think where Utah's had some problems has been more
on some of the underneath stuff, some of those intermediate routes.
To your point, they've missed some tackles in a seven
or eight yard gain has maybe turned into an eighteen
or twenty yard game. And that's where BYU does well.
Those receivers like Chase Roberts and some others are really

(12:54):
good with the run after catch, So I think Utah's
going to have to be pretty dialed in with their tackling.
On Saturday, the.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Other dynamic, we were breaking down with the chief data
goob did I the senior data scientist whatever his name is,
Quinn McClain. Great, great analysis. I'm just clearly teasing him
because I've heard and seen a lot of people discuss
the lack of big chunk plays, explosive plays as it's
known over with our friends at summer. But if you

(13:21):
can just move the football incrementally and take tom off
the clock and let your defense rest and wear down
the other teams, d I don't know that it matters.
Bill if we haven't seen a ton of big chunk plays,
Like maybe at some point throughout the course of the season,
if Utah goes down and they've got to throw it
and Devin has no choice but to drop back and

(13:42):
chuck it because you're down two or three touchdowns, maybe
we'll see it manifest in that scenario. But is there
any concern on your end for what the data says
the lack of just big chunk plays from Utah's offense.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Don't? Well? Maybe'll, I mean, you'd like to see something
of the really big past Ryan Davis. But what was
interesting Spence Utah had six touchdown scoring drives on Saturday
night and they got beat on time of possession by
almost ten minutes by Arizona State. It wasn't as if
Utah was Yeah, they had seven and eight yard plays

(14:16):
in nine yard and couple ten yard drives, but they
were getting down the field in three, four, two and
a half, three and a half minutes. So yeah, they
haven't had those big, long chunk plays. But what they
have done a pretty good job of doing is getting
those intermediate plays, the twelve yard, the fifteen yard, the

(14:37):
sixteen yard chunk play. And I was talking to Jason
Beck about this last week, he said, Hey, I know
we don't have those take the top off the defense
wide receivers like some programs do. He said, but when
this offense is rolling and the offensive line is doing
his job, if we can get a handful of twelve
to eighteen yard plays per game to go with our

(14:57):
running attack, we're in pretty good shape. I'm not overly
concerned about it right now. Again, ASU's defense coming in
Saturday night was really good, really highly rated. I hadn't
given up more than twenty four points in a game.
They had held some teams down. You tak dashed them
pretty good upfront with that run game, So I feel
pretty good about it.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Now.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
We'll see if that can develop as the year goes along.
But I think if they can keep that same recipe
that they had Saturday night against the Sun Devils, I
think that's going to travel. So we'll see what happens Saturday.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah. I agree, And I actually said, based off the
data prior to the game on Saturday, ASU very stout
against the run, susceptible through the air, so I thought
Devin was going to have to throw it, and he didn't.
He did not have to throw it at all. So
maybe this is just the formula. And if it is
the formula, the numbers show that it's working. So if
it ain't broke, don't fix it. Here's another crazy number

(15:48):
for you that my homie just shared last segment. Devin
is eight. He's completing eighty two percent of his passes
to Ryan Davis, and it's below seventy percent to his
other targets. Only three catches for sixty eight yards. He
had that fifty six yard er you know last week,
but again Devin didn't really need to go through the
air because they were gashing a su up front. Just

(16:10):
tell me, you know, the latest opinion you have on
what clearly has become his favorite target in this connection,
eighty two percent completion when he looks to Ryan Davis.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I mean, they've got a connection. They played together all
last year, they're good friends off the field as well.
And again Davis is open, you know he's not. Again
he's not to take the top off the defense guy,
even though he had that fifty six yard catch against ASU.
But the guy has a knack for getting open and
finding the place, and Devin knows where to look for him. Again,

(16:41):
not to make a comparison, but you hear it talked
about all the time with Mahomes and Kelsey, they're just
kind of on that same page. Even if Kelsey's not
necessarily running the precise route, they have that thing because
they've played and worked out together so long. I think
it's kind of the same thing with Davis and Dan
Pierre because they've played together and practice together so much.
Now Dallan Bentley's become a really nice part of this

(17:04):
offense too. He's the second leading receiver on this team,
and some of the backs are getting catches too, but
Ryan Davis is becoming that guy. And it's unusual, I
think for us as Utah fans, because we've been so
used to seeing under like Andy Ludwig, the ball spread
out across the place. You know what I mean, nobody,
you know you'd have five guys that had thirty five

(17:25):
or fewer. Catches. Well, Ryan Davis is on pace to
have about eighty five catches this year, and if Devin
could keep finding him and he can keep getting open,
there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
So we had Jim Herman on the show earlier and
he brought up a point. So LJ Martin is BYU's
leading rusher and he's averaging like six and a half
per one hundred and one carries six point fifty two.
Bear is second for them seventy one carries two ninety five.
And Jim was wondering if it's problematic that Devin is
Utah's leading rusher and they don't have a back that

(17:55):
actually leads them. But if you combine Wai Shan and Nakari,
what's interesting is about where LJ is. So Devin's the
leading rusher, but the difference is Ryle's. Of course, Utah
uses too well. Byu has a bell cow. You know,
any thoughts as to what that dynamic kind of could
manifest Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
No, I just think that's the way they like to
do it. They play the hot back and go with
the guy that's running well. The interesting guy to keep
an eye on, Spins is this kid, Daniel Bray, the
freshman running back who we've seen getting involved in the
offense a little bit more the last couple of weeks.
That kid's got some juice. Now he's not real big,
he's only about five foot nine, but when he's touched

(18:34):
the ball, there's there's been a noticeable burst with him.
So I think what you've seen is really good. I
mean Parker and Rodgers, they're both averaging four and a
half five six yards of carry. They're just not getting
the same amount of volume LJ. Martin Is. I think
it's the same deal. You're just getting it multiple ways
versus one guy. And again, with Bray now being factored

(18:56):
into the rush game, I think it adds a little
bit more juice to it. So I don't think you're
going to see them change that at all. I don't
think either Parker or Rogers all of a sudden becomes
a twenty five carry a game guy. I think both
these guys are going to carry it in the neighborhood
of ten to twelve times. Daniel Bray probably gets four
or five touches and Devin dan Pier is gonna run

(19:17):
at eight or nine times a game as well.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
So from a BYU perspective, they need the Jack Kelly
kid healthy because I think if Jack's healthy, they'll be
able to spy Devin a little bit. And the only
team that's had success against Devon was Tech. Now, what
has become very clear based off of the way Devin
has looked the past couple of weeks. Is that he
was not right against Tech, So I don't want to
put a ton of stock into that. But when it

(19:40):
comes to the times you have seen Devon struggle, what
has the other team done to limit him, because most
of the time he's been very effective.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, to me, it's again started up front when the
offensive line didn't get quite as much push or as
you mentioned in the Tech game, where he was clearly
not even probably eighty p in that game, he just
looked different against West Virginia, looked different last week. I
don't think we've really seen a team that has necessarily
spied Devin, if that makes sense. And I don't know

(20:10):
if that's gonna be Jay Hill and Kialani's MO on
Saturday Night, but it might be an idea. Those two
linebackers are really good, Kelly if he plays, and obviously
glasg two, they're outstanding. They're all conference caliber linebackers. But
it'll be interesting to see if they choose to use
that direction, because then if you do that, it leaves

(20:31):
a gap somewhere in that defense where you might be
able to throw in that spot. If you're leaving a
guy in and close to that line of scrimmage to
spy the quarterback, then there's somebody out there that might
be able to be open and coverage. So I haven't
seen it yet and I don't know if Jay Hill
will employ that, but it'll be interesting to see if
they do.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Can we agree that it might be time to say
Texas Tech isn't just potentially the best team in the
Big Twelve, but maybe one of the top five or
six teams in the country.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Maybe. I think it's hard to say, because again, they
really haven't played a great schedule either. They still haven't
played BYU. I don't know if they play ASU, can't
remember if that's anyway, they've played a decent schedule, Utah
being the best team, and to be fair, they won

(21:21):
that game. They were the better team that day, but
it wasn't until midway through the fourth quarter that they
really took control. So I think they're clearly the best
team of the Big twelve. I still want to see
a little bit more to see, but to be fair, too, Spence,
I don't know who's the best team in college football
right now. Maybe it's Indiana. That's a hell of a

(21:41):
good win to go up to Oregon and do what
they did after boat racing Illinois at Illinois a couple
of weeks before, maybe Mario Christoval finally has that team
at Miami, because Miami's looked really good this year too.
I don't know if the SEC has got a great
team this year. They may be like the Big Twelve,
They may have a lot of good teams. So but
I think Tech is knocking on that door.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah. I feel like Ohio State has probably been the
cleanest team.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
But the reason I bring it up and just for context,
Tech is at Arizona State this week. But the reason
I brought it up for this context is I think
that loss is going to age well for Utah. I
don't think it's going to be a loss where at
the end of the sea look, a loss is a loss,
But I don't think it's going to be a loss
that most people are going to look at and really

(22:28):
knock on the utes. Which makes Saturday Nights even bigger
as it pertains to the following dynamics. Fourth time that
these two teams have been in the AP Top twenty five,
both teams still in the mix to win a Big
Twelve championship, which would lead to a CFP appearance with
it neither school has ever done before Fox Big Noon
in Town Bill and with a primetime kickoff on a

(22:50):
major platform, there is the potential that this will be
the most watched game in the history of these two schools.
So with all of that kind of in mind and
the undercurt of maybe this is what's last go around
against BYU, what's the significance of this game on Saturday Night?

Speaker 3 (23:09):
You just laid it out perfectly. I mean, really and truly.
The winner of this game Saturday night has a leg
up to get to Dallas, and not just to get
to Dallas, because if you get to Dallas with say
one loss, and Texas Tech might be undefeated or a
one loss team, I think then you're looking at possibly

(23:29):
two Big twelve teams in the College Football Playoff. So
I think it's a huge game because, to be fair,
two spence, if you're looking at the schedule coming up,
it lightens up a little bit for Utah. Yet Colorado
comes to town. Colorado's solid, they're not spectacular. Cincinnati's been
a surprise, but you've got them at your place. Then

(23:49):
you've got two weeks to get ready for Baylor. Who's
been very up and down. Case State's been a disappointment,
and then maybe a tough game with Kansas depending on
where the season is. But my point is, you play
laid Tech, you played Arizona State, if your Utah and
can get past BYU this weekend, I think that schedule
with three of the next five games at home, becomes

(24:11):
very manageable for the Utes.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's gonna be fun. Man. Can't wait to hear your call,
so you enjoy it. Thanks for the time, but it'd
be good. Okay, all right, talk you soon, Spence, Bill Riley,
Voice of the Utes. Our pregame coverage on Saturday, we'll
beget at one o'clock Port. We'll have you taken care of.
Their kickoff is at six. We're gonna have about ten
hours of game day coverage. Fore you guys, you're on
your Home of the Utes, ESPN seven hundred
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