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October 9, 2025 26 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Utah Jazz played a basketball game last night and

(00:03):
they lost, but Ace Bailey looked awesome, which is probably
something to expect all your long as far as the losses,
and then getting excited about some performances from some of
the younger players.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Our next guest covers the Jazz. You know him, you
love him. He's Andy Larson. Hello, Andy, How are you?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm good? Spence are you?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I've got to say, man, I was really impressed by Ace.
And you know, I think I asked you about three
four weeks ago, give Jazz fans one reason to be
excited about the season, and you said, Ace, So look,
it's preseason.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's one game. I'm not anointing.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
You never anoint or dismiss based off of preseason ever,
But what did you see from young Ace Bailey last night?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah? You know, like he's not going to shoot seventy
percent every game, But I got to say, like, I
was impressed at how he got into his shots and
just generally how how he played, how comfortable he looked
right like I was. You know, the worry with Ace
Bailey was that he made the ball may stick a
little bit, and he made tough shots and then you know,

(01:02):
the defensive end of the floor. I thought he competed
on defense, and then I thought offensively, I thought the
way he fit into the Jazz's offense still taking a
lot of shots, but in the flow of things right
like they had him running off ball screens, coming down
off of pin downs, coming off of the base line,
coming up top and taking shots and getting opportunities that way.

(01:23):
And so it wasn't that like they were running a
daily pick and rolls. It was that he was getting
the ball in the flow of the offense and then
had the opportunity to then use his prodigious gifts in
athleticism and ability to shoot and finish to get open
shots and make them. You know, so could not have
been more impressed. You know, twenty five point six rebounds,
three assists. I thought he had one time to use

(01:47):
a narkis that was really good. Was just great to
see all the way around. You know. Yeah, like say,
it's preseason. Defenses will get better, you know, may start
of a more against teams with more rim protection than
what Houston has, but like you know, it's exactly what
everything you wanted to see as a Jazz fan with

(02:09):
Ah Bailey last night.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, and it's a fan base that is looking for
something to hold on to. Is it hyperbolic to say
that this is the most exciting prospect since Donovan?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
No, I don't. I absolutely think it's the most exciting
prospects in Sonovan, and you know, it's the first top
five picks and Dante exam and you know maybe the
first hopefully the first top five pick. That's good since
Darren Williams right like, so yeah, this is you know,
it's been a long time coming, and it's been a
probably too long of a rebuilt process given that Donovan

(02:44):
and Rudy were traded three years ago. But it does
feel like this may be a piece. This may be
different because they just says have more talent, more potential
than anyone the Jazz have drafted in the last three years.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I agree, based off of your opinion, based off of
your knowledge and understanding when it comes to conversations with
the front office or will Hardy himself outline you know,
a time frame, a plan, I mean thirty one minutes
last night right in preseason hoops, like NBA players don't
play in regular season games, let alone preseason. Do you

(03:17):
think we're gonna see thirty to thirty five minutes most
every night. As far as the playing time phrase, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
I think so. I mean, like you look at the
true spot and kind of he can play the tour
or the three. I think I think there's a real chance,
and I think there's a bit likely that they start
him and then yeah, you're in lines with that those
kind of manutes. I mean, look like they got to
play Adea Collier, they got to play Lowry, they got
to play Walker, and so the minutes are definitely going
to be adjusted. But everyone knows what the deal is here,

(03:47):
right Like that Ace is is that guy is a
guy that's going to be most likely part of the
next good Jets team. And so I don't think they
are going to short his development now, like what may
happen as if he starts developing bad habits or isn't
playing defense or whatever, Like I could see Will making
an adjustment there, you know, like fending him for a

(04:09):
period of time. But I think they're going to give
him those opportunities. I don't, you know, this is not
one guy in a situation that I think you should
be sorry about. So long as he's doing the right
things on the floor.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
I don't love comparisons, as you know, we've talked about
it over the years. I just think it puts ideas
into the heads of fans. And then when Derek Favors
isn't Carl Malone, we're like, We'll wait a second, what happened.
But you know, last night postgame, there was some conversation
involving Will Hardy when there was a little bit of
Jason Tatum, there was a little bit of Kevin Durant.

(04:42):
I mean, look, Danny and so many other NBA executives.
Certainly the way Danny built Boston, you want big, long,
athletic wings and aces built in a very unique way
with a skill set, and that combination, when fully baked,
could breed something really exciting. Is there a best case
scenario in your mind that you've heard that you think

(05:04):
makes sense as far as the com goes.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
That's a good question, because you know, I think what
he can be and what he is and what he
was at Rutgers are like kind of three different things,
if that makes sense, you know. So the one he's gotten,
you know, throughout his high school career was Kevin Durant, right,
And so that he got to play him against him,
and they were matched up against each other for most
of that game when they were on floor together, Like,

(05:30):
it's extremely cool. I don't think he's Kevin Durant, right,
because it's just really hard to be Kevin Durant. And
he's also four or five inches shorter than Kevin Durant
at this point, so, you know, I think that that
is unlikely. But he does have some of that, like
nailing tough shots thanks to a high release over defenders
that Kevin Durant has. You know, I think you look

(05:54):
at kind of the other pieces. I'm just trying to
think of some of the more athletic wings in the NBA. Like,
you know, I think Jason Tatum is like a reasonable idea,
you know, but I also think that there are kind
of worst case scenarios too that you know, we we
should allow one game to kind of allow us to
forget either, right, Like, there are athletic wings in this

(06:14):
league that haven't been able to hang as well because
because of shot colection and defense, and so that is
still something to be concerned about. But yeah, like think
of you know, he's not quite as athletic bouncy wise
as Trasy McGrady, but something like that. You know, you
are kind of talking about some of the best wings

(06:36):
in in the NBA though, right like, just because he
is so fluid with it in a way that again
we just haven't seen in a jazz uniform in a
very long time.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
So no market In, no Philipowski, no Walker Kessler. So
you know, no Isaiah Calier as you referenced early earlier
on based off of the players that weren't available and
the guys that Will decided to start, and the guy
that the guys that Will's just decided to play. What

(07:07):
were your takeaways based off of just that decision making
process with all all of that kind of baked into
the question.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, so you know you figure that like they're not
going to start use of Nurkic, right, They're going to
be starting Walker Kessler. You probably don't start see Michaelia
instead start uh letter marketing. Taylor Hendrick got the start
at the four. I think it's probably more likely he
comes off the bench, but there is kind of that
spot at the two guard to start ace if you

(07:34):
want to, and then you know who starts a point guard.
I think is a real question between Kiante and Isaiah
Collier obviously the Jazz because Isaiah Collier at the end
of last year and so long as I think he
has a relatively reasonable training camp, I would expect that
to be kind of the default. But they also are
pretty happy with how Kante has kicking on more of

(07:56):
a leadership role in this summer, and maybe that and
maybe just the design to get some more shooting out
on the floor leads them to go that direction. So
we'll we'll see on that. But you know, Lowry's a starter.
Walker's a starter, I think we've seen and they believe
in the Ace can be a start and maybe sooner
than people expected. And then, yeah, you're looking for kind

(08:17):
of connecting pieces. I think Taylor Hendrickson Kyle Lapowski kind
of both makes sense in different ways. And then yeah,
it's kind of a point guard battle at the one spot.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
So when it comes to the minutes that the veteran
players are going to get, and you and I have
joked in the past like as soon as Kevin Love
and Kyle Anderson are playing twenty twenty five minutes and
the young players minutes are being cut into, you know
that there's going to be a faction of the fan
base that's going to be disappointed. But twenty minutes for
Kevin Love last night, seventeen for Kyle Anderson. What are

(08:49):
your thoughts on the way that you anticipate Will using
the vets and balancing out needing to give minutes to
the younger players so they can learn how to play
in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, I think, you know, just looking at that injury report,
you have three front court players who you expect to
play significant time who weren't available, right, Lowry Walker and
Kyle Philipowski. So you know, I don't anticipate Kevin Love
necessarily even being part of the rotation on opening day
if those three guys are healthy. I think you said
Nurkis is probably your backup center, but you can also

(09:22):
play Kyle Philipowski as the backup four slash five and
we'll see what they do with that. You know, I
think Lowry is a three slash four slash five, right,
like you can kind of play him wherever. So I
kind of learned more from the backcourt rotation yesterday than
the front court rotation. And then you know, Kyle Anderson

(09:42):
is is a wing, so you know, I think kind
of if Bryce sent the ball plays as well as
he did last night, he's gonna get more minute then
Kyle Anderson or spe mchaelor just because you want the better, younger,
more interesting players out on the floor. So yeah, you know,
I don't don't really anticipate Kyle Anderson playing twenty minutes
the night during the regular season, so long as you know,

(10:05):
these these guys get healthy, which I don't think that
these are major injuries, by the way, I think that
these are. I expect those guys to be ready for
opending night.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
So your reference Kiante and a lot of conversation about
his growth during the off season, which typically I roll
my eyes at because every coach and every front office
after an off season will kind of spin the narrative
they want the fans to hear about. I thought he
looked pretty good last night. The defensive stuff just continues
to be something you leave shaking your head. There are

(10:36):
just so many moments where there's just like an airheaded decision,
like he just loses focus. He had nine assists, he
had sixteen points, He was seven of eleven. Your thoughts
on what you saw last night, your understanding of this
narrative that he'd had an awesome offseason and your expectations
for Kiante George this year.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, like, I mean, I'm with you. I don't necessarily
buy a lot of that. You know, it's a it's
a believe it one, I'll see it kind of being.
I did think he played well offensively last night. I
do think he tried defensively, and there were a couple
moments in the first quarter where he made an impact,
you know, like he stopped the men Thompson on one play.

(11:16):
But I do think he was part of the overall
problem that you know, allowed the Rockets to score one
hundred and forty points to the end. Right, So in
the end, I don't think that was that different than
the Kante George that I'm familiar with last year. And
you know, honestly, so much for him depends on him
getting five percent better from an efficiency point of view, right,

(11:37):
like taking the five percent worse shots out of his game,
making more degrees, getting to the free throw line more often,
making the right pass rather than looking for his own
shot quite as often. And you know that's that stuff
is so hard to tell from one game. You just
need like the big numbers over the course of weeks

(11:59):
and months and years to to kind of figure that out.
So yeah, I mean I wouldn't say that like last night, Hey,
I thought turned a corner, but I thought it was
a good performance and we shall see if if that
continues or over the course of time. You know, the
the plus minus worries and the defense worries kind of
kind of bear out.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Who do you think the best perimeter defender is on
this team? That like the dude when Durant is going off,
or Tatum or Devin Book or whatever it is, who
who's the best matchup defensively for the better offensive perimeter
players as far as big wings go in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
I think it's Taylor Hendrick. I agree, And I don't
think like he he told us on media to day,
he wants to be the best defensive player in the NBA.
He wants to own a Defensive Player of the Year award,
which like is he has a long way to go
for that. But I think like he moves his feet
at a really high level, not just for the Jazz
but for the NBA in general. I think, I, you know,

(12:58):
I can imagine him getting there. It's not I wouldn't
bet on it, but I think it is. I think
it's possible. He and the way he's changed his body,
the way he's at his strength, the way he moves.
It was really great to see him play so well yesterday.
If the athleticism is clearly there, Like, he's the one
guy that has the opportunity to be a really really

(13:20):
plus defender, and so I like the idea of giving
him those tough opportunities whenever the Jazz can right. Like,
you know, Ace was matched up against Kevin Durant last night,
and that makes sense, and I'd like giving him those
chances too. But Taylor's right there with him as another
long wing who can stay in front and is excited
about getting getting that work in on the defensive end. Yeah,

(13:44):
I'm excited for his defensive potential.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
So sense about you know, there was a little early
on and I remember thinking about this with Jabari Jabari Parker,
who coming out of college. You just loved his skill set.
But you're like, kid, the dude ever get into shape?
And the answer was no, he just never did. Bryce
looks better he does, and man, that's a pretty pretty jumper, man.
I mean, it's a very esthetically pleasing jump shot six

(14:10):
of ten from three. Last night he had twenty four overall,
there are a couple of things I've seen that anticipate
maybe him getting a starting job with this team. I
don't know that I anticipate that. But what do you
think we'll see from Bryce this year?

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, you know, I think he could if there's kind
of you know, you just look at you've probably got
eight ahead of him lowry marketing, and then you know
if maybe he can play at the two or the
three starting there, but there may just be too many
other guys. But like he also just does make sense
as the sixth man because of his ability to score

(14:45):
at all three levels. I think, you know, he is
He's an extremely good shooter in a way that no
one else on the roster is, and I think that
is the thing that will carry him in the NBA.
And I love that he is realized that, you know,
talking to him at the end of last year, you know,
realize that, hey, three point volume is is really important

(15:06):
to me. And it sees himself maybe more as a
specialist than he was at like Ohio State, where he
was just kind of an all around scorer. But he
does have the ability to, Hey, if you close out
on me, I will go past to and score in
the mid ranger at the room, which is great. You know.
The question is defense. I do think his body looks
a lot better than it did last year. I don't

(15:28):
think his defensive fundamentals are awesome, but I think they
might be good enough, you know, certainly to play on
the Jazz and maybe to stick in a better situation
as well, and ultimately kind of the young guys, you know,
other than this rookie class. I buy his offensive potential
as something that can stick in a role player capacity,

(15:48):
maybe as much as anybody else's. So Yeah, like I
think the Brice is a legitimate kind of NBA prospect.
I don't think he's like an All star prospect, but
I think he's a guy who can stick and against
kind of be part of that next We're all trying
to figure out, you know, of these like eight young
players they've drafted over the last three years, which of

(16:10):
them are part of the next good jazz team. And
I feel like Bryce has a pretty good ability and
good potential to be a role player on that next
good jazz team.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, I tend to agree with that as well. All right,
a lot of good but some not so good. And look,
I know he's still young. It does look like he's
put on some weight and he's been lifting. But Cody
Williams last night in thirteen minutes look lost and didn't
do anything. Well, it's a top ten pick, man, And look,
the data in the history indicates that plenty of top

(16:44):
ten picks don't pan out. So and by the way,
I'm not saying that that's the case, I'm just saying
it just continues to not look great.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Fair to say.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, I mean, look, he had one of the worst
rookie seasons for picking NBA history last year. This year,
you know, yeah, for good things, and he had flashes
in summer league, right like he had a third quarter here,
I think it was a fourth quarter, different game like that,
he did actually make an impact on the game, right like,
drove to the basket, did some things, stole the ball,

(17:15):
got rebounds, and it's just like the thing is in
so many other games and so many of his minutes,
he's Tony smell out there, right like the zero point,
zero rebound, zero sist, zero s field, zero blocks, just
doesn't do anything productive. And that can be okay, Hey,
at least you're not getting in the way so long

(17:35):
as you can make three point shots. And that's what
really really worries me about him right now. Is not
a good three point shooter that he is even in practice,
even in like you know, at the East High School
scrimmage last week, was barely hitting rim. He checked, you know,
the chucked one off the backboard that didn't hit rim
in that scrimmage, just like it looks. It doesn't look great.

(18:00):
So yeah, it sucks because, like, I think he's a
smart kid, and I think he understands like the x's
and o's of the NBA at a higher level than
the other young players do. I think he gets a
lot of it as his relationship with his brother in
terms of like understanding what he should be doing on
but he just doesn't actually do any of it. And

(18:20):
I feel like until he turns on like the hunger
in his brain that in order to go after those
rebounds to try to make plays happen, there's not a
lot to recommend him being on the floor right now.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
All right, let's move to a couple of storylines just
involving the team. Chris Maddox friend of the show when
he gets back to us. The latest report the Jazz
are very open to moving Larry.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Now.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
I know what Austin said, and I know what the
front office has said in the past, And there's part
of me that's like, dude, if you're going to do it, it's
two years too late. But there's part of me that
believes it's still the right thing to do. Even though
I love Larriy. He's awesome, fun to watch play. What's
your understanding of this dynamic? And do you have a
lean one way or the other?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, Look, I mean Danny and Ausman saying and we'll
just say often, you know, saying that, Hey, you know,
it's not our intention to trade Lowry. I think it's true.
And yet, like, are they listening to offers and even
like to some extent reaching out for offers to try

(19:26):
to understand what his value is around the league? Like, yes,
absolutely they did that this offseason, and absolutely they will
continue to do that into the season and into the
trade deadline period. They don't feel like they have to
trade him though, because you know, they still think, you know,
he's not a problem for them, He's not demanding a trade.
He likes it here in Utah. He can conceivably be

(19:47):
part of that next good Jazz team, but everyone also
kind of knows, hey, like the timeline doesn't work out,
and it is kind of well, it's a big bummer
that he is the NBA's longest tenured player who has
not made a playoff. Is not played in the player
and so like, basically, to me, it all comes down
to whether or not the Jazz get a good offer

(20:07):
for him. And I would define a good offer as
multiple first round picks, hopefully a first round pick you
can have that has some potential to be a lottery pick.
And then you know a good young player of some sort.
You know, a lot of discussion was around, like the
Detroit possibility there. Right, you've got Tobias Harris matching from

(20:30):
a contract point of view. You've got Jada and Ivy
or Asar Thompson as maybe an interesting young player. Jada
Ivy needs an extension soon. But anyway, and then you
know a pick or two, and I think that offer
does make sense. I don't know that the Jazz have
gotten that offer. I don't know that they've rejected that offer,
right Like, but I think there are kind of situations

(20:52):
around the league where you can imagine it kind of
adding up for the Jazz. But until then, yeah, they're
just going to keep him and let him play and
let him be on this team because he is a
really good player that is that is happy here, and
it again not a problem.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Finally, and I know we touched on this last week,
but let's just revisit it because technically the deadline to
extend Walker is still a less a little less than
two weeks away. It's something they still could do now.
Based off of Walker's response to Sarah's question during media Day,
it appears that that's probably not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
And this is a rare thing.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I'm not a fence sitter, but I do understand both
sides of it here. I understand the desire to keep
your financial flexibility. If you're the Jazz, I understand maybe
a hesitancy to allocate a tremendous amount of money to
a player who's very good but maybe doesn't fit the
modern day big you know, offensively skilled type player that
you want to pay a lot of money to. And

(21:49):
if I'm Walker Kessler, I'm saying that I put three
good years here and I'm seeing some of my peers
get the extensions that I believe I deserve. I understand
both sides of the situation, Andy, But any up date
as far as the Jazz and Walker Kessler's negotiations, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Mean, no update. I truly do not anticipate it. It
will happen. I've been told in fact that it won't,
and I think for the reason to wait out there,
I understand why Walker is frustrated. Walker, frankly, like is
the guy in the locker room who is most disappointed
when the Jazz lose games right now, right like, or

(22:25):
I guess last season was the guy like consistently like
kind of set up with Hey, I can't believe we're losing.
He's just not used to losing to this degree and
is the most upset about it. And so you know,
when the team then goes and trades a way veteran
players like John Collins and Colin Sexton, you know, after
trading away Mike Conley in his rookie year and a

(22:48):
gazillion other guys in the years in between, right Like,
he's the one that's most frustrated by that. You also
have like the Lakers, who are the team that is
most interested in Walker Kessler being the best possible for
a rolling big man, right that you get to play
with Lebron James and Lukadancic, or you get to play
with Keant Georgs and Isaiah Collier. And it's just it's

(23:10):
a bummer for a walker that he is. He's here
without the benefit and I think he likes Utah. I
don't think that's the question. Is just like without the
benefit of any chance of contention, right and without or
the benefit of the long term money that like a
hundred million dollar extension would would give you. So totally

(23:31):
understand why he's frustrated. Also understand why the Jazz aren't
giving that extension right away. And so yeah, anticipate this
being him being a restricted tree agent next year and
going into that way. I just again, I've been told it.
I don't think it's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Before I say you loose.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
It's Seattle and Saint Louis and it'll be radiant cold
at Lumen in Seattle coming up on Saturday night for
our sell and if they don't get it, they will
have a chance, I believe, to qualify if they beat
Saint Louis who isn't very good now, No Diego, no Ojeda,
no Gozo. Seattle's without a couple of pieces as well.

(24:13):
It's a tough place to play no matter what. So
your thoughts on the end of the regular season and
your faith that we will see playoffs soccer here in
Salt Lake.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, you know, I think it comes down to the
Saint Louis game, because you know, yeah, they said Seattle
is a tough place to play anyway, and then you know,
while RSL has gotten some random flookey results up there,
and maybe that happens again, I'm not sure I buy
this team being kind of defensively stout enough to keep
Seattle to a middle mill draw, right, Like, I just

(24:43):
don't know that I see that happening. And then the
offense is still kind of start stop start, depending on
who they're playing. If they're playing a really good MS
team that they find it hard to score, they're playing
a bad one, they they can they can score a lot,
and so it yeah, goes down to that Saint Lewis game, right,
I do think they will be able to score and
they should be able to play well in that game,

(25:05):
and you just need to win on the road against
the bad team. It all comes under that, So that's
kind of what I'm looking for. I'll be watching that
felt game for sure and seeing kind of what's out there.
But like the Saint Louis, it does feel like this
is going to come down to the final game of
the season, which is fun but also terrifying as an
RSL fan.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yes it is Andy, Thanks for the time, Buddy, good inside.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
You well with chat soon sounds good.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Thanks man.

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