September 12, 2025 • 21 mins
Utah @ WYO, Trips to Laramie, AP Voting, RSL v SKC + more
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It feels like I'm controlled.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It feels like this is intentional and you're trying to
get a reaction from me maybe the other guy.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
What do we got? What is it? Little billy strings?
I actually like billy strings. But this is a Yeah,
this is a c K special saw Billy Strings red
butted maybe three years ago. Here you go.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Quite a show. Very talented. So is Chris Camaronnie. Hello, Christopher,
Happy Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hey, how are we doing? Man?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I've been debating this in my head because you simultaneously
seem like the type of person that would either never
go to Laramie or weirdly be excited about the prospect.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Which is it?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Ooh, I've only been to Laramie twice in my life,
once for a Utah Wyoming game during the two thousand
and eight season, and another time driving through while I
was traveling across the country. One time was a great visit,
the other time was not. But in the summertime, it's beautiful.
(00:56):
Campus is beautiful. Don't necessarily need a reason to go again.
But you're not wrong, Like I do have a soft
spot for places in the country where most people think
isn't the most ideal place to visit. Like, I love Reno.
I'm a huge Reno guy, and you probably assume that
(01:16):
because you know who I am, But like I like
the spots that maybe have a bad rap nationwide.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know what's interesting is my cousin and his wife
and their kids moved to Reno about five years ago,
and I saw them this summer at our family reunion,
and they love it. They absolutely love Reno, which would
not have been on my Bengo card outside of the
fact that Reno nine to one one still holds up.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Still holds up one of the greatest shows of all time.
Great shout, You're forty minutes from Tahoe, You're three hours
away from the Bay Area. Underrated. Just it's I mean,
it's the biggest little city in the world, as it
says on one of the archways down there. I just
I don't know's it is America at its finest. And
(02:01):
as you know, as a West Coast snob, I'm always
going to be trending in the direction of places that
are unique and offer a specific glimpse into the American lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And as someone who grew up on the right coast,
is probably the only thing that you and I will
never see eyed eye about.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, I don't think I ever need to go to Connecticut,
and unless I'm invited to Big Dave's house.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You don't love like a lobster boil with some Nantucket
red pants that are too tight?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I don't know anything that you just said, so I'm
going to say.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
No, I actually think you would look fantastic in some
Nantucket reds.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
See ketch all I think of And I know it's
a different state, but I just think of the guys
on the wedding crashers. Yeah, when it's like, you know,
crabcakes and football, that's what Marylynd's about. I think you
could probably apply that to pretty much every Northeastern state
and have those guys. I'm sure there are lots of
people who have several different types of blazers in their
(02:57):
closet in the Northeast. Don't own a blazer, So maybe
I should get on that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I have several salmon colored pieces of clothing in the
closet now. Bradley Cooper's character and wedding crashers, I went
to high school with fifteen of those guys.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
When he's when he's when when he's you know, signaling,
the Blitz calls to himself and nobody else during the
f during the tackle football game. It's elite. So yeah,
that's that's kind of what I would imagine that area
being like. But I do need to get introduced to that,
I think on a more personal level, the same way
(03:33):
I need to get introduced to, you know, places in
the South where all the guys have like the bad
southern mop haircut and they all kind of look like
the same. They're all wearing tucked in polos, and maybe
they look at me out here and they say like, man,
that guy needs a haircut, and maybe maybe you know,
you know, that's it's always up for debate, but I
(03:56):
do need to get that specific slice of of Aana
that's beyond the West Coast in my lexicon for sure. No.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I mean the nice thing about you, you're like Drobi
from Tribe call Quest. There's this mystical feel like you
don't look like a Utah. And I'm not profiling. I'm
just saying like, if somebody saw you, they wouldn't be like, oh,
that dude's from Salt Lake. I don't know that they
would be able to pinpoint it because you're like this
mystical figure here ck ethnically ambiguous.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I can be whatever you need me to be.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, what I need you to be now is a
college football mind, which I know that you are, So
we'll move over. I did have a Bradley Cooperlake when
he was making the seal noises to impress the parents,
just like perfect. But here's where I want to start.
So Hailey Sawyer, who's a young lady who covers usc UH.
At this point, I just feel bad for her because
she continues to get killed online. But she did an
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interview which she probably should not have done, which essentially
indicated she had no idea that USF even beat Florida
after moving Florida up two spots and not having USF
in her top twenty five. She said something like, I
don't want to go too much into my process or logic,
and you're like, okay, well it's clear that you really
don't have much Well what's your take on this where
(05:09):
And I've just said this a million times. I do
not want an ap top twenty five vote, Like I
am not going to smash Indiana Indiana state tape when
I get home I'm going to go live my life.
I'll watch the games I need to watch for the show.
I'll watch the big marquee matchups with brand teams. But
a lot of people have utilized this video to kind
(05:30):
of expand it out to a macro conversation about the
people that are in charge of covering the sport and
being north stars for folks that are trying to understand
who's good and who's not.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
What's the ck take on this.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I think we touched on this a little bit earlier
this summer, when you were so kind enough to let
me know that we're coming for the polls. I didn't
know that people were coming for the polls. I don't
think this development helps with those who maybe look down
on the polls. I'm an old school kind of guy,
where like, you can't necessarily take one misstep like this
(06:06):
and then have it be such a wide ranging application
to all the other voters who you know have been
able to do this for a long time and take
it seriously like everything else. I think it's more responsible
to not overreact to something very minor. But in this
day and age, I know that's asking too much of
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most people in our society. I can see how some
programs might be frustrated by the fact that something so
obscure can potentially put you behind the eight ball when
it comes to moving up the rankings, to getting to
a point where you can impress the college Football Playoff
(06:49):
Committee come November and December. But I'm also very old school,
and then it's like, if you're looking to blame somebody
else for your problems, then you probably have to any
problems to sort through. And if you want to handle
your stuff, handle your stuff, and handling your stuff means
win your games. So I know that might be a
fairly cut and dry take, but that's where I'm at
(07:11):
with this.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So in that thing, and I started the show out
with this today, and I will never back off my
stance that this sport has a massive scheduling problem while
being sensitive to the economic realities of smaller programs.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I think both things can be true.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, as we've talked about, let's hold multiple thoughts
in our heads, gang, we can do that. So you know,
with that in mind, if your Utah, if you're Texas Tech,
which will not have been challenged at all prior to
the game here in Sula, coming up, if you're BYU.
The only thing you can do is do what you're
supposed to do. Do what you're expected to do, and
if you do that, the chips will fall where they're
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supposed to do. Is it just fair to say that
so far Utah has just done what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Very fair to say. But even though you should assume
that a team is talent, it is Utah should handle
its business and Laramie, I think it is. I guess
I would say if you're a Utah fan, don't assume
anything is a done deal. A reminder for fans that
I think just a few years ago Wyoming beat Texas
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Tech before they had this infusion of you know, billionaire
oil money and were able to secure the talent rights
to so many players. But Laramie is a tricky place
to go play, especially for a program that's trying to
look for its first really kind of signature wind and
or a head coach that's trying to prove themselves. You know,
(08:38):
we joke with the NFL it's any given Sunday. We'd
see it from week to week. It's any given Saturday
as well. I mean, I know people thought USF was
a talented team, but I don't think most people thought
that they were going to go in and beat the
Gators in the swamp. So Utah is the team that
everyone expected it to be through the first couple of
weeks and conventional wisdom, and it's to the fact that
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they'll be able to handle their business and layer met
They're pretty healthy, I believe, as Kyle Whittingham said this
week to the local beat writers, so yes, the answer
is they, along with Texas Tech, will be rolling into
next weekend's primetime matchup with not a lot of significant
you know, tests solved under their belt. But that is
(09:23):
the reality of college football in twenty twenty five, and
and in a different world, Spen's like, you know, if
you could you could have looked at this you know,
non conference schedule, and if you happen to have had
a decent UCLA team to start the season, I think
we're having kind of a different conversation than just saying
(09:43):
like Utah will presumably enter Week four starting their Big
twelve conference schedule three and zero having rolled over every
opponent they played. But it's not like it's a terrible
non conference schedule that was put in front of them. Now,
I'm sure Kyle Whittingham didn't ever want another reason to
go back to their me. But that's just the reality
(10:05):
that you face for me or to your basis. And
I think we're going to see non conference schedules changed
and strengthens as you see, you know, utahses significantly in
the coming years. So you just got to play the
games that are in front of you.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, And I continue to say, like, it's not by
U's fault that Stanford is in this weird transitional phase
under Andrew Luck. It's not Utah's fault. The UCLA, I
think they stink. It's not Texas Tech's fault that Oregon State,
you know, after being on the wrong side of the
PAC twelve exodus, is not the program they were once
upon a time. But your point just you got to
(10:40):
go win, and you got to go play the games
and in front of you.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But you've got to do what we expect you to do.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Where else people are going to recalibrate the way they
consider you and think what you're going to do the
rest of the way. Since you've been to Laramie. If
this game gets weird, what does that look like? The
forecast is a little Little Harriet's like fifty five degrees
and potential for rain. They've got a decent run. PFF
likes their linebackers. I have not been smashing wyoming tapes
you Can'm not going.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
To lie to you. But if this game gets weird tomorrow,
what do you think that looks like?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, this game has gotten weird before. I don't know
how many listeners remember that. You know, this game was
in Salt Lake, but in two thousand and seven, Kyle
decided to onside a kick up forty three points and
their former head coach, Joe Glenn flipped Kyle off from
the other side of the field. I was a very
green student reporter back then. I was at that game
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for that and that was the talk of the press conference.
So you follow that up with the year after my
first real trip to Laramie. It was like a fifty
mile an hour wind day, very odd circumstances. It was
a very sloppy game. Nobody could really throw the ball
because it was so windy. And then, as I've told
(11:50):
you before on air and off air, driving back from
Laramie to Salt Lake, we all got stuck on Highway
eighty because a massive early October snowstorm blew in and
we were stuck on the interstate for like nine hours,
and Dirk Facer, blessed his soul, kept calling and checking
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in on us. This is all to say that if
if the weather is weird, expect Jason Beck to run
the hell out of the ball, as you probably should,
and if you have the offensive weapons and depth that
they believe they have, it's kiss keep it simple, stupid.
I don't think you need to necessarily risk even Devin Dampier.
(12:34):
I'm sure he will have a presence in the running
game because that's just his style of play. But yeah,
I can get weird. You know, don't know how Wyoming's
defenses is schemed up for Jason Beck's offense, but they're
familiar with it because they saw it last year at
New Mexico. So you know, a lot of these coaches
know Jason Beck's offense and they know Devin Dampier as well.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, and Devin ran all over them. So yeah, we'll
see if we'll see if that's the case. Is there
a We had your your buddy Spencer Hall on earlier,
as always very entertaining fun. We were talking about the
dynamic of John Matteer and trying to limit his carries
so he doesn't get hurt. Devin goes for sixteen carris
against UCLA, four against cal Poly. Is there a number
(13:16):
that you'd like to see, like pinpointed that makes the
most sense because you can't just tell him to slide
and get down. He's too dynamic with his feet to
kind of take that portion of his game away. But
what number feels right to make sure he stays upright
as long as we possibly can.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well, if you're asking me, and I know you are,
because you know I have the type of mindset to
be able to offer the type of analysis that fam
really want to hear, I know you do. So last year,
just looking at his numbers, he had one hundred and
fifty five rushing carries in one of the twelve games.
(13:53):
That averages out to be you know, you know how
to do the math, but that's probably too many. I
think if you're a team that has power for conference
winning aspirations the way Utah does this year, I'd say
combined between design runs and you know, play breakdowns and
needing to take off on your own, I'd say probably
(14:15):
ten to twelve. If we're combining those and again, like
I think Utah's offense is going to overmatch Wyoming and
up to the point where Jason Beck probably doesn't need
to call that many design runs maybe to get them
out of a couple of hairy situations on you know,
maybe third and short or second and short or whatever.
(14:37):
But I think like you're really going to have to
see the balance struck correctly once you get into conference play,
because those are when the games really matter. And obviously
Utah starting off conference play with one of the best
teams in the conference in Theory next week and at home.
So I'll go ten to twelve. What about you?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Spencer said eight to twelve.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
So okay, two college football geniuses in the four o'clock
hour of the program.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I'm dropping the same short of knowledge. There you go.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I'm glad to hear Spencer and I are still of
the same mine.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Indeed, so last week and look, I will do the
irresponsible Utah sports socc radio host thing.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It feels like BYU and Utah have a chance to
be clean when they meet in October.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It feels you're doing it.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
You're doing it, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. We're
going there.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
The reason I bring it up is last week, you know,
there were some decent games on the slate.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You try to get the Big twelve stuff in.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You watch Utah BYU checking on Utah State getting their
heads kicked in by A and M. And then I
sat down to watch Oklahoma Michigan and Brett Vennables had
Bryce Underwood in a nightmare, and I just wonder if
it's already if it's too early to talk about the
potential of Morgan Scalley doing the same thing to another
true freshman and Bear Bachmeyer.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
That's a good train of thought, good analogy. I will
be Devil's advocate here and say, BYU with back to
trips to East Carolina and Colorado with the first year
true freshman quarterback, I think that's asking a lot to
be able to get through those unscathed, as well as
a trip to Arizona and if you're looking at Utah,
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Texas Tech and then Arizona State. But I'm going to
play along with the idea of that they're going to
go in Doctober eighteenth both undefeated and that you're going
to have you know, everybody chomping at the bit to
get here. Dave Portnoy, Pat McAfee. Everybody's gonna want to
come to Provo for that. Could Morgan Scalley in theory
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plan for making Bear Bachmeyer's life terrible in Provo for
a night? Yeah, but I think the reality is is
you know Aaron those Morgan very well. Morgan knows Aaron
Roderick very well. Last year was a great chess match
between those two guys. Like it in theory b why
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you should have probably ran away with that game because
they were the more talented team, They had so much
more going for them. Utah was the team I should
have won that game, even though they didn't. So this
is all to say once again that when you talk
about the rivalry, game records go out the window and
it's always going to be hucker up time for both sides.
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Will Morgan be able to present things for Bear that
he probably hasn't seen before. Yeah, but you know, Colorado's
defense is very improved. You could say they're the strength
of that team this year, and going to Boulder is
going to be no easy feat. I don't know too
much about East Carolina. I know they have a really
cool logo. They barely lost to NC State on the road,
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so we'll know more about the pirates in a couple
of weeks as well.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Chris, good morning, Good morning. So did the local Utah
sports stock radio thing there for you? All right? A
couple of minutes left. Let's be irresponsible.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
R s L.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yep, Yes I'm doing it. Yes, I'm doing it. I'm
doing it tomorrow. Back in action after the weirdest three
week break, your guy Rotha cabral contract extension. Seven matches left.
The narrative over there is. This has been a mini camp,
a mid season mini camp to get DeAndre Jedlin, your boy,
my guy, Victor Olatunji, and Porter's guy Rowan Cruz all
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kind of in the mix. With Diego even though he's
been with the national team. He will be back for
the game on Saturday. Expectations rest of the way for
the lads.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Well starting you're basically and must win mode and that
sounds corny, but seven games left, I think if RSL
has a legit shot at making it, you have to
win the next to a home against Case and LAFC
LFC on the road four days later is a tall task,
but I'm going to say that RSL can't afford to
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lose more than two out of the next five games
or next seven games, if they have any chance, Snowball's
chance in hell of making it. You close out the
year at Seattle, at Saint Louis, and you have a
Rocky Mountain Cup decider first week, first weekend of October,
which I know you're just, you know, very very nervous about. Well,
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if this is a mini mini camp for the team,
probably sorely needed, as you're getting a bunch of guys
into the mix, but who's scoring goals and who's preventing
them from from scoring? Because as important as addam goalscoring
talent was for this team, that Minnesota game was brutal
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on many fronts, and you can look at the back line,
it's probably an area of need to to try to
bolster and fix or change going into the offseason. So
I'll say oursl at minimum needs to win the next
two before we can revisit this conversation of whether or
not they have a chance to make.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It nine months away from the World Cup. A resounding
de fat of the Japan side, as are we high
speed ahead to the knockout phase.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Now, resounding defeat of the rotated Japan side. We are not.
The vibes are bad. Man. I've told listen, I don't
want to be the guy that says I told you so,
but I just want you to remember that I said
this before they even qualified for Qatar under a previous coach.
There just is something missing from this group. And maybe
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it is the boomer in us who you know, watch
those guys, you know, really claw and scrape and headbutt
and all of get get through the type of difficulties
that the national team did for so long during its
slow and steady rise. But there's just something off. I
don't know how they're going to be able to get
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the country excited. I mean, Spence, it's insane that it's
nine months away and like nobody is talking about it.
It's the biggest, single, biggest sporting event in the world
every four years, and like nobody is talking about it.
And I think that's, you know it, probably in part
because we get so used to what's in front of
us and so, and what is so in front of
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us right now is American football, which takes up all
of our time and energy ninety five percent of the day.
But I don't know, man, Like I am of the
mind that I don't think that this is going to
change the sport in the country forever. I just think
it's another World Cup as soccer continues to grow. But
it is wild to me that like nobody is just
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like kind of really just talking about the fact that
we're hosting the World Cup for the first time in
thirty years, just next year.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Talk about it on the Drive Monday through Friday, two
to six live every day.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
You know that two to six or two to five.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Stop it. That's enough, We'll let you go have a
good weekend. Chris like that
It feels like I'm controlled.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It feels like this is intentional and you're trying to
get a reaction from me maybe the other guy.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
What do we got? What is it? Little billy strings?
I actually like billy strings. But this is a Yeah,
this is a c K special saw Billy Strings red
butted maybe three years ago. Here you go.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Quite a show. Very talented. So is Chris Camaronnie. Hello, Christopher,
Happy Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hey, how are we doing? Man?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I've been debating this in my head because you simultaneously
seem like the type of person that would either never
go to Laramie or weirdly be excited about the prospect.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Which is it?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Ooh, I've only been to Laramie twice in my life,
once for a Utah Wyoming game during the two thousand
and eight season, and another time driving through while I
was traveling across the country. One time was a great visit,
the other time was not. But in the summertime, it's beautiful.
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Campus is beautiful. Don't necessarily need a reason to go again.
But you're not wrong, Like I do have a soft
spot for places in the country where most people think
isn't the most ideal place to visit. Like, I love Reno.
I'm a huge Reno guy, and you probably assume that
(01:16):
because you know who I am, But like I like
the spots that maybe have a bad rap nationwide.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know what's interesting is my cousin and his wife
and their kids moved to Reno about five years ago,
and I saw them this summer at our family reunion,
and they love it. They absolutely love Reno, which would
not have been on my Bengo card outside of the
fact that Reno nine to one one still holds up.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Still holds up one of the greatest shows of all time.
Great shout, You're forty minutes from Tahoe, You're three hours
away from the Bay Area. Underrated. Just it's I mean,
it's the biggest little city in the world, as it
says on one of the archways down there. I just
I don't know's it is America at its finest. And
(02:01):
as you know, as a West Coast snob, I'm always
going to be trending in the direction of places that
are unique and offer a specific glimpse into the American lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And as someone who grew up on the right coast,
is probably the only thing that you and I will
never see eyed eye about.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, I don't think I ever need to go to Connecticut,
and unless I'm invited to Big Dave's house.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You don't love like a lobster boil with some Nantucket
red pants that are too tight?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I don't know anything that you just said, so I'm
going to say.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
No, I actually think you would look fantastic in some
Nantucket reds.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
See ketch all I think of And I know it's
a different state, but I just think of the guys
on the wedding crashers. Yeah, when it's like, you know,
crabcakes and football, that's what Marylynd's about. I think you
could probably apply that to pretty much every Northeastern state
and have those guys. I'm sure there are lots of
people who have several different types of blazers in their
(02:57):
closet in the Northeast. Don't own a blazer, So maybe
I should get on that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I have several salmon colored pieces of clothing in the
closet now. Bradley Cooper's character and wedding crashers, I went
to high school with fifteen of those guys.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
When he's when he's when when he's you know, signaling,
the Blitz calls to himself and nobody else during the
f during the tackle football game. It's elite. So yeah,
that's that's kind of what I would imagine that area
being like. But I do need to get introduced to that,
I think on a more personal level, the same way
(03:33):
I need to get introduced to, you know, places in
the South where all the guys have like the bad
southern mop haircut and they all kind of look like
the same. They're all wearing tucked in polos, and maybe
they look at me out here and they say like, man,
that guy needs a haircut, and maybe maybe you know,
you know, that's it's always up for debate, but I
(03:56):
do need to get that specific slice of of Aana
that's beyond the West Coast in my lexicon for sure. No.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I mean the nice thing about you, you're like Drobi
from Tribe call Quest. There's this mystical feel like you
don't look like a Utah. And I'm not profiling. I'm
just saying like, if somebody saw you, they wouldn't be like, oh,
that dude's from Salt Lake. I don't know that they
would be able to pinpoint it because you're like this
mystical figure here ck ethnically ambiguous.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I can be whatever you need me to be.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, what I need you to be now is a
college football mind, which I know that you are, So
we'll move over. I did have a Bradley Cooperlake when
he was making the seal noises to impress the parents,
just like perfect. But here's where I want to start.
So Hailey Sawyer, who's a young lady who covers usc UH.
At this point, I just feel bad for her because
she continues to get killed online. But she did an
(04:47):
interview which she probably should not have done, which essentially
indicated she had no idea that USF even beat Florida
after moving Florida up two spots and not having USF
in her top twenty five. She said something like, I
don't want to go too much into my process or logic,
and you're like, okay, well it's clear that you really
don't have much Well what's your take on this where
(05:09):
And I've just said this a million times. I do
not want an ap top twenty five vote, Like I
am not going to smash Indiana Indiana state tape when
I get home I'm going to go live my life.
I'll watch the games I need to watch for the show.
I'll watch the big marquee matchups with brand teams. But
a lot of people have utilized this video to kind
(05:30):
of expand it out to a macro conversation about the
people that are in charge of covering the sport and
being north stars for folks that are trying to understand
who's good and who's not.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
What's the ck take on this.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I think we touched on this a little bit earlier
this summer, when you were so kind enough to let
me know that we're coming for the polls. I didn't
know that people were coming for the polls. I don't
think this development helps with those who maybe look down
on the polls. I'm an old school kind of guy,
where like, you can't necessarily take one misstep like this
(06:06):
and then have it be such a wide ranging application
to all the other voters who you know have been
able to do this for a long time and take
it seriously like everything else. I think it's more responsible
to not overreact to something very minor. But in this
day and age, I know that's asking too much of
(06:28):
most people in our society. I can see how some
programs might be frustrated by the fact that something so
obscure can potentially put you behind the eight ball when
it comes to moving up the rankings, to getting to
a point where you can impress the college Football Playoff
(06:49):
Committee come November and December. But I'm also very old school,
and then it's like, if you're looking to blame somebody
else for your problems, then you probably have to any
problems to sort through. And if you want to handle
your stuff, handle your stuff, and handling your stuff means
win your games. So I know that might be a
fairly cut and dry take, but that's where I'm at
(07:11):
with this.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So in that thing, and I started the show out
with this today, and I will never back off my
stance that this sport has a massive scheduling problem while
being sensitive to the economic realities of smaller programs.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I think both things can be true.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, as we've talked about, let's hold multiple thoughts
in our heads, gang, we can do that. So you know,
with that in mind, if your Utah, if you're Texas Tech,
which will not have been challenged at all prior to
the game here in Sula, coming up, if you're BYU.
The only thing you can do is do what you're
supposed to do. Do what you're expected to do, and
if you do that, the chips will fall where they're
(07:48):
supposed to do. Is it just fair to say that
so far Utah has just done what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Very fair to say. But even though you should assume
that a team is talent, it is Utah should handle
its business and Laramie, I think it is. I guess
I would say if you're a Utah fan, don't assume
anything is a done deal. A reminder for fans that
I think just a few years ago Wyoming beat Texas
(08:16):
Tech before they had this infusion of you know, billionaire
oil money and were able to secure the talent rights
to so many players. But Laramie is a tricky place
to go play, especially for a program that's trying to
look for its first really kind of signature wind and
or a head coach that's trying to prove themselves. You know,
(08:38):
we joke with the NFL it's any given Sunday. We'd
see it from week to week. It's any given Saturday
as well. I mean, I know people thought USF was
a talented team, but I don't think most people thought
that they were going to go in and beat the
Gators in the swamp. So Utah is the team that
everyone expected it to be through the first couple of
weeks and conventional wisdom, and it's to the fact that
(09:01):
they'll be able to handle their business and layer met
They're pretty healthy, I believe, as Kyle Whittingham said this
week to the local beat writers, so yes, the answer
is they, along with Texas Tech, will be rolling into
next weekend's primetime matchup with not a lot of significant
you know, tests solved under their belt. But that is
(09:23):
the reality of college football in twenty twenty five, and
and in a different world, Spen's like, you know, if
you could you could have looked at this you know,
non conference schedule, and if you happen to have had
a decent UCLA team to start the season, I think
we're having kind of a different conversation than just saying
(09:43):
like Utah will presumably enter Week four starting their Big
twelve conference schedule three and zero having rolled over every
opponent they played. But it's not like it's a terrible
non conference schedule that was put in front of them. Now,
I'm sure Kyle Whittingham didn't ever want another reason to
go back to their me. But that's just the reality
(10:05):
that you face for me or to your basis. And
I think we're going to see non conference schedules changed
and strengthens as you see, you know, utahses significantly in
the coming years. So you just got to play the
games that are in front of you.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, And I continue to say, like, it's not by
U's fault that Stanford is in this weird transitional phase
under Andrew Luck. It's not Utah's fault. The UCLA, I
think they stink. It's not Texas Tech's fault that Oregon State,
you know, after being on the wrong side of the
PAC twelve exodus, is not the program they were once
upon a time. But your point just you got to
(10:40):
go win, and you got to go play the games
and in front of you.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But you've got to do what we expect you to do.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Where else people are going to recalibrate the way they
consider you and think what you're going to do the
rest of the way. Since you've been to Laramie. If
this game gets weird, what does that look like? The
forecast is a little Little Harriet's like fifty five degrees
and potential for rain. They've got a decent run. PFF
likes their linebackers. I have not been smashing wyoming tapes
you Can'm not going.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
To lie to you. But if this game gets weird tomorrow,
what do you think that looks like?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, this game has gotten weird before. I don't know
how many listeners remember that. You know, this game was
in Salt Lake, but in two thousand and seven, Kyle
decided to onside a kick up forty three points and
their former head coach, Joe Glenn flipped Kyle off from
the other side of the field. I was a very
green student reporter back then. I was at that game
(11:29):
for that and that was the talk of the press conference.
So you follow that up with the year after my
first real trip to Laramie. It was like a fifty
mile an hour wind day, very odd circumstances. It was
a very sloppy game. Nobody could really throw the ball
because it was so windy. And then, as I've told
(11:50):
you before on air and off air, driving back from
Laramie to Salt Lake, we all got stuck on Highway
eighty because a massive early October snowstorm blew in and
we were stuck on the interstate for like nine hours,
and Dirk Facer, blessed his soul, kept calling and checking
(12:11):
in on us. This is all to say that if
if the weather is weird, expect Jason Beck to run
the hell out of the ball, as you probably should,
and if you have the offensive weapons and depth that
they believe they have, it's kiss keep it simple, stupid.
I don't think you need to necessarily risk even Devin Dampier.
(12:34):
I'm sure he will have a presence in the running
game because that's just his style of play. But yeah,
I can get weird. You know, don't know how Wyoming's
defenses is schemed up for Jason Beck's offense, but they're
familiar with it because they saw it last year at
New Mexico. So you know, a lot of these coaches
know Jason Beck's offense and they know Devin Dampier as well.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, and Devin ran all over them. So yeah, we'll
see if we'll see if that's the case. Is there
a We had your your buddy Spencer Hall on earlier,
as always very entertaining fun. We were talking about the
dynamic of John Matteer and trying to limit his carries
so he doesn't get hurt. Devin goes for sixteen carris
against UCLA, four against cal Poly. Is there a number
(13:16):
that you'd like to see, like pinpointed that makes the
most sense because you can't just tell him to slide
and get down. He's too dynamic with his feet to
kind of take that portion of his game away. But
what number feels right to make sure he stays upright
as long as we possibly can.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well, if you're asking me, and I know you are,
because you know I have the type of mindset to
be able to offer the type of analysis that fam
really want to hear, I know you do. So last year,
just looking at his numbers, he had one hundred and
fifty five rushing carries in one of the twelve games.
(13:53):
That averages out to be you know, you know how
to do the math, but that's probably too many. I
think if you're a team that has power for conference
winning aspirations the way Utah does this year, I'd say
combined between design runs and you know, play breakdowns and
needing to take off on your own, I'd say probably
(14:15):
ten to twelve. If we're combining those and again, like
I think Utah's offense is going to overmatch Wyoming and
up to the point where Jason Beck probably doesn't need
to call that many design runs maybe to get them
out of a couple of hairy situations on you know,
maybe third and short or second and short or whatever.
(14:37):
But I think like you're really going to have to
see the balance struck correctly once you get into conference play,
because those are when the games really matter. And obviously
Utah starting off conference play with one of the best
teams in the conference in Theory next week and at home.
So I'll go ten to twelve. What about you?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Spencer said eight to twelve.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
So okay, two college football geniuses in the four o'clock
hour of the program.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I'm dropping the same short of knowledge. There you go.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I'm glad to hear Spencer and I are still of
the same mine.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Indeed, so last week and look, I will do the
irresponsible Utah sports socc radio host thing.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It feels like BYU and Utah have a chance to
be clean when they meet in October.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It feels you're doing it.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
You're doing it, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. We're
going there.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
The reason I bring it up is last week, you know,
there were some decent games on the slate.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You try to get the Big twelve stuff in.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You watch Utah BYU checking on Utah State getting their
heads kicked in by A and M. And then I
sat down to watch Oklahoma Michigan and Brett Vennables had
Bryce Underwood in a nightmare, and I just wonder if
it's already if it's too early to talk about the
potential of Morgan Scalley doing the same thing to another
true freshman and Bear Bachmeyer.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
That's a good train of thought, good analogy. I will
be Devil's advocate here and say, BYU with back to
trips to East Carolina and Colorado with the first year
true freshman quarterback, I think that's asking a lot to
be able to get through those unscathed, as well as
a trip to Arizona and if you're looking at Utah,
(16:13):
Texas Tech and then Arizona State. But I'm going to
play along with the idea of that they're going to
go in Doctober eighteenth both undefeated and that you're going
to have you know, everybody chomping at the bit to
get here. Dave Portnoy, Pat McAfee. Everybody's gonna want to
come to Provo for that. Could Morgan Scalley in theory
(16:37):
plan for making Bear Bachmeyer's life terrible in Provo for
a night? Yeah, but I think the reality is is
you know Aaron those Morgan very well. Morgan knows Aaron
Roderick very well. Last year was a great chess match
between those two guys. Like it in theory b why
(16:58):
you should have probably ran away with that game because
they were the more talented team, They had so much
more going for them. Utah was the team I should
have won that game, even though they didn't. So this
is all to say once again that when you talk
about the rivalry, game records go out the window and
it's always going to be hucker up time for both sides.
(17:21):
Will Morgan be able to present things for Bear that
he probably hasn't seen before. Yeah, but you know, Colorado's
defense is very improved. You could say they're the strength
of that team this year, and going to Boulder is
going to be no easy feat. I don't know too
much about East Carolina. I know they have a really
cool logo. They barely lost to NC State on the road,
(17:42):
so we'll know more about the pirates in a couple
of weeks as well.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Chris, good morning, Good morning. So did the local Utah
sports stock radio thing there for you? All right? A
couple of minutes left. Let's be irresponsible.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
R s L.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yep, Yes I'm doing it. Yes, I'm doing it. I'm
doing it tomorrow. Back in action after the weirdest three
week break, your guy Rotha cabral contract extension. Seven matches left.
The narrative over there is. This has been a mini camp,
a mid season mini camp to get DeAndre Jedlin, your boy,
my guy, Victor Olatunji, and Porter's guy Rowan Cruz all
(18:21):
kind of in the mix. With Diego even though he's
been with the national team. He will be back for
the game on Saturday. Expectations rest of the way for
the lads.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Well starting you're basically and must win mode and that
sounds corny, but seven games left, I think if RSL
has a legit shot at making it, you have to
win the next to a home against Case and LAFC
LFC on the road four days later is a tall task,
but I'm going to say that RSL can't afford to
(18:55):
lose more than two out of the next five games
or next seven games, if they have any chance, Snowball's
chance in hell of making it. You close out the
year at Seattle, at Saint Louis, and you have a
Rocky Mountain Cup decider first week, first weekend of October,
which I know you're just, you know, very very nervous about. Well,
(19:18):
if this is a mini mini camp for the team,
probably sorely needed, as you're getting a bunch of guys
into the mix, but who's scoring goals and who's preventing
them from from scoring? Because as important as addam goalscoring
talent was for this team, that Minnesota game was brutal
(19:38):
on many fronts, and you can look at the back line,
it's probably an area of need to to try to
bolster and fix or change going into the offseason. So
I'll say oursl at minimum needs to win the next
two before we can revisit this conversation of whether or
not they have a chance to make.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It nine months away from the World Cup. A resounding
de fat of the Japan side, as are we high
speed ahead to the knockout phase.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Now, resounding defeat of the rotated Japan side. We are not.
The vibes are bad. Man. I've told listen, I don't
want to be the guy that says I told you so,
but I just want you to remember that I said
this before they even qualified for Qatar under a previous coach.
There just is something missing from this group. And maybe
(20:29):
it is the boomer in us who you know, watch
those guys, you know, really claw and scrape and headbutt
and all of get get through the type of difficulties
that the national team did for so long during its
slow and steady rise. But there's just something off. I
don't know how they're going to be able to get
(20:52):
the country excited. I mean, Spence, it's insane that it's
nine months away and like nobody is talking about it.
It's the biggest, single, biggest sporting event in the world
every four years, and like nobody is talking about it.
And I think that's, you know it, probably in part
because we get so used to what's in front of
us and so, and what is so in front of
(21:13):
us right now is American football, which takes up all
of our time and energy ninety five percent of the day.
But I don't know, man, Like I am of the
mind that I don't think that this is going to
change the sport in the country forever. I just think
it's another World Cup as soccer continues to grow. But
it is wild to me that like nobody is just
(21:33):
like kind of really just talking about the fact that
we're hosting the World Cup for the first time in
thirty years, just next year.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Talk about it on the Drive Monday through Friday, two
to six live every day.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
You know that two to six or two to five.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Stop it. That's enough, We'll let you go have a
good weekend. Chris like that
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