September 9, 2025 • 26 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is this the classic mamas, don't let your babies grow
up to be cowboys?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Gee, see, I've gotten knowledge, Porter, I've gotten knowledge.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Only had to play one of the greatest of all
time before you. I appreciate that. I appreciate that we're
making progress. And just to be clear, our phone lines,
a few direct messages are not agree with you so
far if it takes.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Because you know, I put so much stock into all
that stuff, right, yes, okay, totally, yeah, keep texting in,
please do please, All right, we're gonna bring you in,
Spencer Lynn b YU TV. We'll do a little b
YU today. But our next guest, he's become a good
friend of the show. Longtime college football coach here in
the state and elsewhere, Coach Bill Bush on a Tuesday afternoon, coach,
(00:48):
how are you, sir?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Doing great? The song was incredible. It's a song that
generally you really kind of don't want to be driving
if you could close your eyes and listen to it
that good. So I appreciate you guys for playing that
Whaling and Willie's song that kind of made my day.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It was really my choice. So I will take all
the credit for that, Bill, Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Absolutely, it's all you.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It is one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So ultimately we are playing like hardcore country music this
week because we have a trip coming up to Laramie, Wyoming. Bill,
I would imagine you're familiar with Laramie and War Memorial Stadium.
What sort of atmosphere do you think we're in four
on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I think it'll be a really good atmosphere. I've coached
there obviously with the Utes, and that was fun. There
was a Kimmember the last time that Utah would have
played there because we had the Pac twelf long ago.
But you know, I'm talking back in early two thousands,
Kavika Casco pulled off a miracle in the end zone.
There was a hail Mary pass that was basically caught
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by Wyoming and was basically just stripped out of his
hands in the end zone. And it was in either
the first of December of the very end of November
is when that game was, and it was it was cold.
I'll tell you that, it was unbelievable. There's an early
kickoff too. There was still frost on the turf as
we as we played that game, but I remember that
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miracle by Kavika, so always very thankful for him.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So it has it has been since twenty ten coach
that Utah and Wyoming played a War Memorial Stadium, So.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It has been a while. I am old enough to
remember not just a Mountain West Conference, but the whack.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Once upon a time was there venom with these games.
Did it feel like a legitimate, like regional rivalry.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It was definitely a regional rival It was always one
of those it's you know, you have certain games when
you just know, you just tell your team it doesn't matter,
it's going to be physical, it's going to be tough.
You're dealing with a lot. I'm sure they felt the
exact same way with playing the Utes, and I know
we felt the same way with playing Wyoming. The same
thing as always, like, hey, buckle up, it's going to
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be a really good game. Now, recently, whether they have
that team that can match up with Utah doesn't appear
that right now, but I'd be in the same mindset
of don't be surprised if it is a heck of
a contest, because they will show up and they will
be they will be ready to play and they'll be
You'll have a very very excited team and excited stadium,
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that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I do want to get.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Back to this game on Saturday in a moment, but
before we do that, we have two games in the books.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I don't know how good UCLA is. They get they
got got by Vegas last week, cal Poly. We know
the deal with the FBSFCF stuff, So you know, keep
it in mind when it comes to what the opponent
brings to the table. What stands out most to you
about what Utah has been able to do through two games.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Coach, Well, you know what we talked about earlier, before
we ever kicked off. I said, I was extremely excited
about the combination of bringing in, you know, the quarterback
and his coordinator. And you see that across the country
working very well. You see it at Oklahoma working very
well down there with RB Buckle and Matear and the
same things going on. When you bring in just talent
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or just coordinator, there's more to there's more puzzles to it.
So that helped so much for your quarterback and I
think that's been a huge part of it from what
I've seen so far. I said, I watched every snap
of the Ucla game. I didn't see probably every snap
of the of the last game, but like I said,
that advantage is so big when you bring them in
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together and they've had success, and I just see a
very at ease quarterback right now with what's going on
in the system, and that is just because of the
verbiage and just having that comfort zone of having his
his quarterback coach and his play caller who's been with before.
So I see that as a huge, huge positive and
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great move by by coach Weddingham knowing.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
What you know about with you know, it's it's interesting
and it's just it's hard to be nitpicky when you've
smoked to teams, you know, forty three ten and sixty
three to nine. There were some mistakes coach that showed
up against cal Poly that didn't really show up against UCLA.
Devin Dampier himself after the game talked about mental lapses.
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There were some broken coverage in the secondary where if
cal Poly had a better quarterback, they would probably had
a couple of more touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So, you know, I kind of characterized.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It as maybe like a perfect game for Kyle, you know,
where there was no anxiety about the outcome.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
They were never not in complete.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Control, but mistakes to dig into when you're watching film
this week to prep for not just Wyoman by the
rest of the year.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
So I wanted to talk to you about, you know,
maybe what.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Is perceived to be not a huge step in the
right direction between week one and week two, and the
way I characterized it is, I just find it difficult
when it comes to the human nature element of young
people to stay focused all week long. You know, you
go to the Rose Bowl and you undress UCLA on five.
It was like the final marquee game of the college
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football weekend. It was a huge number a lot of
people watched. And you know, look, I know, from a
coaching perspective, and you'll speak to this as a former coach,
you want to make sure your players are focused and
working hard every single day. I think it's kind of
human nature if you're a young person to maybe read
your articles a little bit and understand that a cal
Poly team is coming into Salt Lake that isn't going
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to push back on you very much. But knowing what
you know about Kyle, you know, what do you make
of the way the game played out and the mistakes
that both Devin and coach Wit talked about that they
need to clean up before Saturday.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Well, it's the old adage that you know, you always
want to you can coach your team really hard after
a win, and sometimes after a loss it's harder to
coach them hard because you're trying to build them back
up that you can do this, and so there's a
little bit of a difference of how you attack that.
So while you want everything to be you're never excited
about the fact that like, Okay, we busted the coverage,
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we didn't do this clean. At the same time, in
the back of your head, you're almost somewhat excited about
it because it gives you a chance to coach him
really hard. It gives you a chance to really kind
of somewhat get after him a little bit on airs
that were made and things that had been covered. So
it's kind of a win win because if you roll
into that, everything just goes smooth. No bust to coverages.
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Of course, seventy two nothing that's hard to coach off,
but it we'll have you. So there's an advantage of
sometimes having a few things go wrong. We're in an
odd profession that all coaches are doing as we are searching.
Our entire goal is perfection, and perfection with with also
an incredible effort, and it's unattainable. So every day, every practice,
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everything you do, it's never it's never going to happen,
but you're always that's your goal, and so it's always
a tough situation when you look at things. But I'm
sure you know behind the scenes. I'm sure he probably had,
you know, And I didn't talk to Kyle after this game.
We always text all the time, but I'm sure there
was probably some stern conversations, you know, across the board
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with coordinator, with position coaches. Get your unit ready to play.
Here's where some errors were. And it's a really a
positive and an odd way that you can coach him
really hard now and just say this will be unacceptable
when we get ourselves into true big twelve games down
the road.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Really cool moment on Saturday at halftime, Coach Mack was honored.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
You were here when Alex Smith.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Was inducted into the Ring of Honor as the first inductee.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Of course you recruited.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Alex, you know him very well. I wonder how you
would articulate coach. What Ron McBride means to Utah football.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, he started, first of all, just number one. He is,
like I said, he is the face of the program,
and he's the one who made BYU Utah relevant. He's
the one crew that made that. He when he came in,
he created bringing that great rivalry to a head and
bringing it back, and that's needed if you don't have
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a rival, which some teams don't have, that's a tough situation.
And Ron McBride, I had several people sent me the
audio clip. They were filming it from the stadium and
so I had a chance to see that. So I
had a fancy ladmormation. I keep in touch with Coach
McBride obviously and having a chance to visit with him
when I was out there last time. But he's the
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most incredible human being, the kindest person, always has time
for you, and he just taught me so much on
how to treat people. And they also taught me about
the talent and how to do things. And he also
he gave you some freedom. I remember going to him
and saying, coach, do you mind I know that I
have Hawaii as a recruiting area because coach Woodingham had
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it and I had taken over Hawaii for him, and
I said, coach, you mind if I had taken another
flight to American Samu and goes, well, he's never been there,
but go ahead, and he allowed me to go there,
and that's where and that's where I was able to
locate Paul SOLEII and Jonathan Fanene and so I went
over to recruit those guys, to get them right off
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the island. It is because coach McBride had enough faith
in me to say, go ahead, figure it out, if
you want it, if you want to take an extra
six hour flight over to over to American Samol, go
ahead and do it. And uh. And so just because
of that, instead of being like now we're not doing that,
you could have been very very close to it. Obviously,
we brought in two major NFL players because of it,
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more players you know since that time, and we had
we else, we had you know, some on the team
at that time. But it was fun to actually go
over there directly. And that's all because of Ara McBride.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
See, Bill, I knew you were a smart guy, because
you've got to get Hawaii as you recruit, recruiting footprint, right.
I mean, that's that's the assignment you got to get.
Did you have to find anybody off to get to
get Hawaii as the area that you were forced to
go over to watch football?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
No? Actually, you know it was. It kind of went
back and forth, you know. Coach Kafusi helped me there
and Kyle it had Hawaii and and Hawaii doesn't. Even
though it don't sound like this, it does wear on
you a little bit because it's a that's a decent flight.
You know, when you leave at night and you land
back in Salt Lake City and the sun's up and
you go directly to the office, it gets to be
a little bit of a grind. But that not that bad.
(11:13):
So that's a I can't I'm not gonna get the
you know, the violin out to feel sorry for it
for going to Hawaii and going over to American Samoa.
But I was very lucky to have that happened. Interesting
Ron McBride's story. I'm at New Mexico State and he
and and Kyle brings me in for an interview, and
Mac brings me in for an interview to interview for
the for the job. And goes well, and Max says,
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I'll drive you to the airport. So Max driving me
to the airport and he's driving the airport. He offers
me the job, and I said, I'll take it. He goes,
I didn't even tell you what I was going to
pay you. I said, I'm not worried about it. Coach.
I said, I'm sure he'll do the best you can.
And that's all I care about. And and so he
drives into the airport. I take the job. Of course, Mac.
This is before nine to eleven. So Mac walks me
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in and he's and everyone if he walked into the airport, everyone's,
you know, waving at Mac. And Mac come over here,
and he walks me right up to the counter. He
gets me bumped up to first class. He walks me
right to the gate. Let's get me on the plane.
I'm driving back and I'm like, holy crap, that is
that's unbelievable. And I land back in Las Cruces and
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I get a phone call immediately and it's from Less
Miles and Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State. And Miles is
the head coach and Gundy is the associate head coach.
And they and they said, Bill, we'd like to talk
to you about the job at Oklahoma State to be
the dB coach here at Oklahoma State. And it was
probably not probably it was it was double at pay.
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And and so coach McBride got wind of this happening,
and he called me up and he said, Bill, he said,
if you want to go interview for that job, you
can go interview for that job, and you still have
a job here if it doesn't work out or whatever happened.
And I just said, Coach, I'll be in Salt Lake
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City in a week. I didn't even take the Oklahoma
State job just because of the guy, because of of
how coach member. Because most people would tell you, if
you go on that job interview, you don't have a
job here, and Mac did just the opposite. And I said,
I'll see in Salt Lake City and I was there
four days later and away we went. So that's the
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kind of person you're dealing with with Rob and Bride.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, if you don't like Mac,
it's probably a you problem. You know, it's not just
your tough football. Yeah, it's not just Utah football. It's
what he's meant to our community. And you know, somebody
who's not from here making his home here and making
a huge difference, a little bit like Frank Layton, who
he just lost a few weeks back, and Mac and
Frank we're dear friends. I wonder Bill if you could
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kind of take us inside the transition from Mac to
Urban to Wit, because the way I kind of always
articulated is Ron bought the land and developed it, and
Urban built the mansion, and Kyle finish the estate, right,
but without the land and without the initial investment. I
don't know that Urban takes this job and with what
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out with without what Urban did during that two year.
Just Wonderkins rise, I don't know if the back twelve
is a thing. And then Kyle has been Kyle for
two decades. Tell us about the transition from one to
the next to the other.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You had a front row seat.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Isn't it not incredible that run I want to just
think this, go through a lot of programs and talk
about their last three head coaches, and Utah is I
don't know if they're one of one, but there's this
there's probably a two or three percent that can say that.
So you can just say, look at our last three
head coaches, and look at the success and what they did.
And then obviously Mac and Kyle's is different because it
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was over time at Utah and Urban. What he did
was also phenomenal what he came in with. I remember
having a conversation with Coach Meyer because he retained two people,
he retained coach Whittingham and myself, and we were in
a conversation, uh, pretty early on, within the first couple
of days at Utah, and he said, how are we
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And I said, I go, We're the best team and
we're the We're the best team in the conference in
the Mountain West. He's like, you know Urban would do that.
WHOA And I'm like, no, coach, we are. We were loaded,
we got We're a really good team obviously, and you
know that's the time when Alex was just going to
be going into his second year and we knew how
good he was going to be and we had we
had players at all positions and uh and so so
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it was fortunate. So Urban did two things. Was it
he walked into a very very talented team and then
b but he also set highest high standards of everyone accountability.
Everything he did. It was it was I always use
the term with Urban it was fourth and one every day,
and it was awesome. Fourth and one every day was awesome,
because what's better than to work for somebody that wants
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their stuff done right all the time. If you ever
worked for somebody in that in that world, it's incredible.
And so he came in from the outside and made
it work Utah for those couple of years, and his
high standards and and all the different things that I
still use to this day and coaching in my in
just everyday life of urban healthing same way with Mac
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and then with Kyle. Obviously, the test of time is
the one that stands up the most because to just
look at this profession, where's he ranked right now as
far as about second or third, probably in the longest tenure,
probably in second right in the second right now. So
that's that's that doesn't happen in this profession. Things don't go,
you know, it's not for long. And for him to
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be able to do that, and then also to be
able to uh, to have these conversations of how well
he held up it, and obviously he had such a
a love for the state of Utah, and he obviously
was an assistant coach prietry to have all these years,
you know, it was just remarkable. And I remember the
phone ringing I'm in Hawaii recruiting at the time, and
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I'm and I just remember having the conversation with Kyle
on because you guys both remember he had job offers
from from a couple of places, b YU and Utah,
and that was at the same time, and I just
remember him, you know, talking about what his thoughts were
on on what what he might end up doing the
different things, and obviously thankful for everyone that ended up
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with the Utah job.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It's interesting insight.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I always say that the two biggest uh, you know,
seminal moments that allowed Utah football to rise up and
pretty dominant, you know, pretty much dominate a generation over
b y U uh were you know, the PAC twelve
invite and then Kyle's saying no to was alma mater
and yes to Utah.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
How hard do you think that decision was for him.
I've heard from a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I've asked him over the years, but I've heard from
a lot of people that did that. That was that
was a tough one for Kyle to say no to
his alma mater and say yes to Utah.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Oh, there's no doubt. I mean, that's that's his alma mater.
You know. At the time, there was you know, b
YU was always, as we all know, is an incredible program,
and so it was it was very difficult for him,
and he keeps things pretty close to the best, you know.
I'm sure he had to spend a lot of time
with his family and obviously his awesome wife to figure
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that out that that was to stay. There was a
lot because I would say this, the easy choice in
my mind was to go to b YU. That was
the easier choice to go to b YU at that time,
and and Kyle took a little bit of the harder
choice and that went extremely extremely well for him. So,
like I said, I'm just so lucky to have a
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chance to spend time with him and and be on
a staff with him. And it's just been a great situation.
And I said, and I can't imagine how, I said,
you never know what would happen. Who knows what happens
if you know, if Kyle goes to b YU, you know,
obviously the world is a lot different. We'll never know that.
But it went really well for him, and it couldn't
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be more excited for him.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well, and interestingly enough, Bill, I didn't plan on asking
you this today. Now that we're kind of in the
space with the conversation, Kyle's saying, no allowed another friend
of yours to get that BYU job in Bronco and
Bronco Mennenhall, And look, I'm not asking you to sell
out any of your friends, and nor would I ask
you to share information that you want to keep close
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to the chest.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Here.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'll just say, from my vantage point and the vantage
point of others, those two aren't breaking bread together.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Those two didn't seem to really necessary.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Like it's pretty obvious that Kilani and Kyle have obviously
Klanie was up here coaching for Kyle, And maybe it's
just the nature of one coaching for BYU the other
coaching for UTAH. I guess the adjective I'll use is,
I see maybe some friction there.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Is that fair to say, you know what I and
being one hundred percent honest, I don't know that. I
don't I don't know if that's if that's accurate. I
think it's just probably the nature of one person's coaching
at BYU and the other ones at Utah. I know
there was always great respect, and I think there's just
always a natural kind of, like I said, a tendency
to just then like that, that that rivalry being a
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part of it was one of the most remarkable rivalries
I've had a chance to talk now from being in
you know, the SEC and Big Ten and all these places,
I've been in major robbery games growing up with Nebraska
Oklahoma and coaching in that game, coaching in Nebraska Colorado,
and coaching in l s U Florida games, and just
I've just been part of these games like that. And
I told everybody, I said, I I'll be honest with you,
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I don't know if there's one bigger than b Yu Utah.
I said, there's not one I've ever felt more than
I've ever just felt anything more than that. You know,
I'd been lucky to be in the Ohio State Michigan
game before and Uh, I just never felt a game
anything like it wasn't with b y U and Utah
and UH and and I'm so thankful that it's back,
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you know, I'm so thankful that it's back and in
the same conference too. I think that makes it even
better because you need that natural rivalry. So I think
that's awesome. But as far as the exact that I
know this, I have talked to Kyle, you know, a
thousand times, and I talked to Bronco five hundred times.
Never one time did one ever express to me the
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disdain for the other for something at all. And then
that was never said. But there probably was a natural
friction just because that game meant so much.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, fair fair Well said the impressions on Brigham Young
through two games, Bill, I mean, they've got this freshman
quarterback who's built like a linebacker. He wears forty seven
under center. You know, it's interesting, Bill, And we had
Klania on two weeks ago. I asked him this, if
you read any national publication that is discussing Brigham.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Young right now, it's starting to sound a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Like they would describe Utah with, you know, the defensive culture.
And I asked Kilanie, as he's built up this thing,
he's been there ten years now, how much of this
do you feel like is yours? How much of this
do you feel like his Lavelle's how much do you
feel like it's wits? And he was very humble and
honest because that's who he is, that he has built
up BYU football, predicated on the lessons he learned from
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the man who he played for, Lavelle Edwards, and the
man who he coached for and Kyle Whittingham. So that
defense is nasty. Obviously, Jay's down there running the show.
I don't know if they've been tested, much like I
don't know if Utah has been tested. But Portland State
Stanford they're clean after two games, have only allowed three points.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yeah, the probably the biggest thing to stand out is
it's really hard to allow just three points no matter
who you play. It's really hard to be able to
do that. That art is difficult. They have and I'm
sure they would say the same thing, And I'm not
speaking for them, because I do talk to members of
that staff also just to their there's friends of mine
on that staff. Obviously, Jay Hill was my graduate assistant
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at Utah, and Chad's down there and TJ the offensive
line coach. We were together at Utah State and at Wisconsin,
so those are good friends of mine. I would feel
they would all say the same thing that they have
not been tested. That's the one thing they said. They
have not been tested. I would say that Utah has
been tested more. Even though they handled UCLA easily, Ucla
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is more talented than what BYU I seen to this point.
So there are some advantages of it. So you get
a chance to work out a lot of kinks, a
lot of mistakes, the functionality of your team, which means
how do we stretch, how do we warm up? How
do we substitute all these little mechanical things. You get
to do with a lot of reps without being highly
stressed because the opponent across if you make one mistake,
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you're still probably going to come out on top. And
so now things will start to change, obviously. But they
have not been challenged yet. But that doesn't mean either
it's like, well they haven't a challenge. I mean they're
not probably very good. I wouldn't say that either, But
it's going to be fun to see how they develop
and see how these games come down, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
All right, last thing ball set you loose on this.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I mean, look a and m is good. Marcel Reed
is an excellent quarterback. That's a tough place to play.
Your old buddy Bronco men at all got to win
week one against UTEP and then you know they were
able to CounterPunch a couple of times against an M,
but they were never fully in the game.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
They'll see Force coming up on Saturday. Always a tough.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Task, but early returns Bronco Mendenhall Utah State Bills sound
like what?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yeah? I thought. I was really impressed with tracking that
game and seeing some of it, obviously because they did
punch back in it being a forty something twenty two
am I right on the score with that, So they're able.
They're able to punch back, and it wasn't a fifty
six to nothing game, so they're able. And you can
put twenty two points on A and M. That was
a heavily invested team. And so I would say Bronk
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would never be happy. I think he's going to look
at it. How how hard did we compete and how
much did we handle? Where were the where were the
pre snap bears and all those little things that happened.
And just so everyone knows, people had asked me numerous
times like that, you know, incredible places to play, and
I've been to A and M numerous times. I've been
there with Utah State. I've been there with Nebraska as
there with LSU, and the sheer pageantry of that place
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of one hundred and some thousand people, it's insane. It's
one of the hardest places. If it's not the it'd
be one of the ones, be to be one of
two or three or four places to play. And so
when when you show up there, no matter how big
you've played in, the biggest games you've played in, it's
a wow. When they march the cadets in, it's a wow.
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The whole stadium when you're up in the press box,
the whole stadium moves when they sway back and forth.
So it's a whole and they hung in there, and
so I'd be I imagine Bronko would deep down inside,
without being too verbal about it, probably pretty proud. And
then at the same time, now he walks into an
Air Force team, which is a completely different offense, and
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that's that's a headache for you. And so his headache,
you know, turned into Okay, I wish we were playing
someone a little bit more you know, normal of an offense.
Because you get into auction football, triple option eleven on
eleven football plus one quarterback runs, your hands get fulled
really fast defensively and so but I'm very very pleased
with where they're at right now.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Bill, thank you for the time, sir. Enjoy the weekend
ahead and enjoy the games. We'll get you back on soon.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Awesome. I appreciate. I look forward to being back on
and I said, there's nothing I love more than in
following everyone back in that state and go Utes.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Bill Busch, former defensive back coach for the Utes, coach
for Mac, He coached for Urban. He coached for witt
Utah State under Gary Anderson. Won a national championship in
twenty nineteen with LSU.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So appreciate his time today.
Is this the classic mamas, don't let your babies grow
up to be cowboys?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Gee, see, I've gotten knowledge, Porter, I've gotten knowledge.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Only had to play one of the greatest of all
time before you. I appreciate that. I appreciate that we're
making progress. And just to be clear, our phone lines,
a few direct messages are not agree with you so
far if it takes.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Because you know, I put so much stock into all
that stuff, right, yes, okay, totally, yeah, keep texting in,
please do please, All right, we're gonna bring you in,
Spencer Lynn b YU TV. We'll do a little b
YU today. But our next guest, he's become a good
friend of the show. Longtime college football coach here in
the state and elsewhere, Coach Bill Bush on a Tuesday afternoon, coach,
(00:48):
how are you, sir?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Doing great? The song was incredible. It's a song that
generally you really kind of don't want to be driving
if you could close your eyes and listen to it
that good. So I appreciate you guys for playing that
Whaling and Willie's song that kind of made my day.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It was really my choice. So I will take all
the credit for that, Bill, Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Absolutely, it's all you.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It is one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So ultimately we are playing like hardcore country music this
week because we have a trip coming up to Laramie, Wyoming. Bill,
I would imagine you're familiar with Laramie and War Memorial Stadium.
What sort of atmosphere do you think we're in four
on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I think it'll be a really good atmosphere. I've coached
there obviously with the Utes, and that was fun. There
was a Kimmember the last time that Utah would have
played there because we had the Pac twelf long ago.
But you know, I'm talking back in early two thousands,
Kavika Casco pulled off a miracle in the end zone.
There was a hail Mary pass that was basically caught
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by Wyoming and was basically just stripped out of his
hands in the end zone. And it was in either
the first of December of the very end of November
is when that game was, and it was it was cold.
I'll tell you that, it was unbelievable. There's an early
kickoff too. There was still frost on the turf as
we as we played that game, but I remember that
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miracle by Kavika, so always very thankful for him.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So it has it has been since twenty ten coach
that Utah and Wyoming played a War Memorial Stadium, So.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It has been a while. I am old enough to
remember not just a Mountain West Conference, but the whack.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Once upon a time was there venom with these games.
Did it feel like a legitimate, like regional rivalry.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It was definitely a regional rival It was always one
of those it's you know, you have certain games when
you just know, you just tell your team it doesn't matter,
it's going to be physical, it's going to be tough.
You're dealing with a lot. I'm sure they felt the
exact same way with playing the Utes, and I know
we felt the same way with playing Wyoming. The same
thing as always, like, hey, buckle up, it's going to
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be a really good game. Now, recently, whether they have
that team that can match up with Utah doesn't appear
that right now, but I'd be in the same mindset
of don't be surprised if it is a heck of
a contest, because they will show up and they will
be they will be ready to play and they'll be
You'll have a very very excited team and excited stadium,
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that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I do want to get.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Back to this game on Saturday in a moment, but
before we do that, we have two games in the books.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I don't know how good UCLA is. They get they
got got by Vegas last week, cal Poly. We know
the deal with the FBSFCF stuff, So you know, keep
it in mind when it comes to what the opponent
brings to the table. What stands out most to you
about what Utah has been able to do through two games.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Coach, Well, you know what we talked about earlier, before
we ever kicked off. I said, I was extremely excited
about the combination of bringing in, you know, the quarterback
and his coordinator. And you see that across the country
working very well. You see it at Oklahoma working very
well down there with RB Buckle and Matear and the
same things going on. When you bring in just talent
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or just coordinator, there's more to there's more puzzles to it.
So that helped so much for your quarterback and I
think that's been a huge part of it from what
I've seen so far. I said, I watched every snap
of the Ucla game. I didn't see probably every snap
of the of the last game, but like I said,
that advantage is so big when you bring them in
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together and they've had success, and I just see a
very at ease quarterback right now with what's going on
in the system, and that is just because of the
verbiage and just having that comfort zone of having his
his quarterback coach and his play caller who's been with before.
So I see that as a huge, huge positive and
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great move by by coach Weddingham knowing.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
What you know about with you know, it's it's interesting
and it's just it's hard to be nitpicky when you've
smoked to teams, you know, forty three ten and sixty
three to nine. There were some mistakes coach that showed
up against cal Poly that didn't really show up against UCLA.
Devin Dampier himself after the game talked about mental lapses.
(05:14):
There were some broken coverage in the secondary where if
cal Poly had a better quarterback, they would probably had
a couple of more touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So, you know, I kind of characterized.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It as maybe like a perfect game for Kyle, you know,
where there was no anxiety about the outcome.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
They were never not in complete.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Control, but mistakes to dig into when you're watching film
this week to prep for not just Wyoman by the
rest of the year.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
So I wanted to talk to you about, you know,
maybe what.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Is perceived to be not a huge step in the
right direction between week one and week two, and the
way I characterized it is, I just find it difficult
when it comes to the human nature element of young
people to stay focused all week long. You know, you
go to the Rose Bowl and you undress UCLA on five.
It was like the final marquee game of the college
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football weekend. It was a huge number a lot of
people watched. And you know, look, I know, from a
coaching perspective, and you'll speak to this as a former coach,
you want to make sure your players are focused and
working hard every single day. I think it's kind of
human nature if you're a young person to maybe read
your articles a little bit and understand that a cal
Poly team is coming into Salt Lake that isn't going
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to push back on you very much. But knowing what
you know about Kyle, you know, what do you make
of the way the game played out and the mistakes
that both Devin and coach Wit talked about that they
need to clean up before Saturday.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Well, it's the old adage that you know, you always
want to you can coach your team really hard after
a win, and sometimes after a loss it's harder to
coach them hard because you're trying to build them back
up that you can do this, and so there's a
little bit of a difference of how you attack that.
So while you want everything to be you're never excited
about the fact that like, Okay, we busted the coverage,
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we didn't do this clean. At the same time, in
the back of your head, you're almost somewhat excited about
it because it gives you a chance to coach him
really hard. It gives you a chance to really kind
of somewhat get after him a little bit on airs
that were made and things that had been covered. So
it's kind of a win win because if you roll
into that, everything just goes smooth. No bust to coverages.
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Of course, seventy two nothing that's hard to coach off,
but it we'll have you. So there's an advantage of
sometimes having a few things go wrong. We're in an
odd profession that all coaches are doing as we are searching.
Our entire goal is perfection, and perfection with with also
an incredible effort, and it's unattainable. So every day, every practice,
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everything you do, it's never it's never going to happen,
but you're always that's your goal, and so it's always
a tough situation when you look at things. But I'm
sure you know behind the scenes. I'm sure he probably had,
you know, And I didn't talk to Kyle after this game.
We always text all the time, but I'm sure there
was probably some stern conversations, you know, across the board
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with coordinator, with position coaches. Get your unit ready to play.
Here's where some errors were. And it's a really a
positive and an odd way that you can coach him
really hard now and just say this will be unacceptable
when we get ourselves into true big twelve games down
the road.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Really cool moment on Saturday at halftime, Coach Mack was honored.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
You were here when Alex Smith.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Was inducted into the Ring of Honor as the first inductee.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Of course you recruited.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Alex, you know him very well. I wonder how you
would articulate coach. What Ron McBride means to Utah football.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, he started, first of all, just number one. He is,
like I said, he is the face of the program,
and he's the one who made BYU Utah relevant. He's
the one crew that made that. He when he came in,
he created bringing that great rivalry to a head and
bringing it back, and that's needed if you don't have
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a rival, which some teams don't have, that's a tough situation.
And Ron McBride, I had several people sent me the
audio clip. They were filming it from the stadium and
so I had a chance to see that. So I
had a fancy ladmormation. I keep in touch with Coach
McBride obviously and having a chance to visit with him
when I was out there last time. But he's the
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most incredible human being, the kindest person, always has time
for you, and he just taught me so much on
how to treat people. And they also taught me about
the talent and how to do things. And he also
he gave you some freedom. I remember going to him
and saying, coach, do you mind I know that I
have Hawaii as a recruiting area because coach Woodingham had
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it and I had taken over Hawaii for him, and
I said, coach, you mind if I had taken another
flight to American Samu and goes, well, he's never been there,
but go ahead, and he allowed me to go there,
and that's where and that's where I was able to
locate Paul SOLEII and Jonathan Fanene and so I went
over to recruit those guys, to get them right off
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the island. It is because coach McBride had enough faith
in me to say, go ahead, figure it out, if
you want it, if you want to take an extra
six hour flight over to over to American Samol, go
ahead and do it. And uh. And so just because
of that, instead of being like now we're not doing that,
you could have been very very close to it. Obviously,
we brought in two major NFL players because of it,
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more players you know since that time, and we had
we else, we had you know, some on the team
at that time. But it was fun to actually go
over there directly. And that's all because of Ara McBride.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
See, Bill, I knew you were a smart guy, because
you've got to get Hawaii as you recruit, recruiting footprint, right.
I mean, that's that's the assignment you got to get.
Did you have to find anybody off to get to
get Hawaii as the area that you were forced to
go over to watch football?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
No? Actually, you know it was. It kind of went
back and forth, you know. Coach Kafusi helped me there
and Kyle it had Hawaii and and Hawaii doesn't. Even
though it don't sound like this, it does wear on
you a little bit because it's a that's a decent flight.
You know, when you leave at night and you land
back in Salt Lake City and the sun's up and
you go directly to the office, it gets to be
a little bit of a grind. But that not that bad.
(11:13):
So that's a I can't I'm not gonna get the
you know, the violin out to feel sorry for it
for going to Hawaii and going over to American Samoa.
But I was very lucky to have that happened. Interesting
Ron McBride's story. I'm at New Mexico State and he
and and Kyle brings me in for an interview, and
Mac brings me in for an interview to interview for
the for the job. And goes well, and Max says,
(11:36):
I'll drive you to the airport. So Max driving me
to the airport and he's driving the airport. He offers
me the job, and I said, I'll take it. He goes,
I didn't even tell you what I was going to
pay you. I said, I'm not worried about it. Coach.
I said, I'm sure he'll do the best you can.
And that's all I care about. And and so he
drives into the airport. I take the job. Of course, Mac.
This is before nine to eleven. So Mac walks me
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in and he's and everyone if he walked into the airport, everyone's,
you know, waving at Mac. And Mac come over here,
and he walks me right up to the counter. He
gets me bumped up to first class. He walks me
right to the gate. Let's get me on the plane.
I'm driving back and I'm like, holy crap, that is
that's unbelievable. And I land back in Las Cruces and
(12:20):
I get a phone call immediately and it's from Less
Miles and Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State. And Miles is
the head coach and Gundy is the associate head coach.
And they and they said, Bill, we'd like to talk
to you about the job at Oklahoma State to be
the dB coach here at Oklahoma State. And it was
probably not probably it was it was double at pay.
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And and so coach McBride got wind of this happening,
and he called me up and he said, Bill, he said,
if you want to go interview for that job, you
can go interview for that job, and you still have
a job here if it doesn't work out or whatever happened.
And I just said, Coach, I'll be in Salt Lake
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City in a week. I didn't even take the Oklahoma
State job just because of the guy, because of of
how coach member. Because most people would tell you, if
you go on that job interview, you don't have a
job here, and Mac did just the opposite. And I said,
I'll see in Salt Lake City and I was there
four days later and away we went. So that's the
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kind of person you're dealing with with Rob and Bride.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, if you don't like Mac,
it's probably a you problem. You know, it's not just
your tough football. Yeah, it's not just Utah football. It's
what he's meant to our community. And you know, somebody
who's not from here making his home here and making
a huge difference, a little bit like Frank Layton, who
he just lost a few weeks back, and Mac and
Frank we're dear friends. I wonder Bill if you could
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kind of take us inside the transition from Mac to
Urban to Wit, because the way I kind of always
articulated is Ron bought the land and developed it, and
Urban built the mansion, and Kyle finish the estate, right,
but without the land and without the initial investment. I
don't know that Urban takes this job and with what
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out with without what Urban did during that two year.
Just Wonderkins rise, I don't know if the back twelve
is a thing. And then Kyle has been Kyle for
two decades. Tell us about the transition from one to
the next to the other.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You had a front row seat.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Isn't it not incredible that run I want to just
think this, go through a lot of programs and talk
about their last three head coaches, and Utah is I
don't know if they're one of one, but there's this
there's probably a two or three percent that can say that.
So you can just say, look at our last three
head coaches, and look at the success and what they did.
And then obviously Mac and Kyle's is different because it
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was over time at Utah and Urban. What he did
was also phenomenal what he came in with. I remember
having a conversation with Coach Meyer because he retained two people,
he retained coach Whittingham and myself, and we were in
a conversation, uh, pretty early on, within the first couple
of days at Utah, and he said, how are we
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And I said, I go, We're the best team and
we're the We're the best team in the conference in
the Mountain West. He's like, you know Urban would do that.
WHOA And I'm like, no, coach, we are. We were loaded,
we got We're a really good team obviously, and you
know that's the time when Alex was just going to
be going into his second year and we knew how
good he was going to be and we had we
had players at all positions and uh and so so
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it was fortunate. So Urban did two things. Was it
he walked into a very very talented team and then
b but he also set highest high standards of everyone accountability.
Everything he did. It was it was I always use
the term with Urban it was fourth and one every day,
and it was awesome. Fourth and one every day was awesome,
because what's better than to work for somebody that wants
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their stuff done right all the time. If you ever
worked for somebody in that in that world, it's incredible.
And so he came in from the outside and made
it work Utah for those couple of years, and his
high standards and and all the different things that I
still use to this day and coaching in my in
just everyday life of urban healthing same way with Mac
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and then with Kyle. Obviously, the test of time is
the one that stands up the most because to just
look at this profession, where's he ranked right now as
far as about second or third, probably in the longest tenure,
probably in second right in the second right now. So
that's that's that doesn't happen in this profession. Things don't go,
you know, it's not for long. And for him to
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be able to do that, and then also to be
able to uh, to have these conversations of how well
he held up it, and obviously he had such a
a love for the state of Utah, and he obviously
was an assistant coach prietry to have all these years,
you know, it was just remarkable. And I remember the
phone ringing I'm in Hawaii recruiting at the time, and
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I'm and I just remember having the conversation with Kyle
on because you guys both remember he had job offers
from from a couple of places, b YU and Utah,
and that was at the same time, and I just
remember him, you know, talking about what his thoughts were
on on what what he might end up doing the
different things, and obviously thankful for everyone that ended up
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with the Utah job.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It's interesting insight.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I always say that the two biggest uh, you know,
seminal moments that allowed Utah football to rise up and
pretty dominant, you know, pretty much dominate a generation over
b y U uh were you know, the PAC twelve
invite and then Kyle's saying no to was alma mater
and yes to Utah.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
How hard do you think that decision was for him.
I've heard from a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I've asked him over the years, but I've heard from
a lot of people that did that. That was that
was a tough one for Kyle to say no to
his alma mater and say yes to Utah.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Oh, there's no doubt. I mean, that's that's his alma mater.
You know. At the time, there was you know, b
YU was always, as we all know, is an incredible program,
and so it was it was very difficult for him,
and he keeps things pretty close to the best, you know.
I'm sure he had to spend a lot of time
with his family and obviously his awesome wife to figure
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that out that that was to stay. There was a
lot because I would say this, the easy choice in
my mind was to go to b YU. That was
the easier choice to go to b YU at that time,
and and Kyle took a little bit of the harder
choice and that went extremely extremely well for him. So,
like I said, I'm just so lucky to have a
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chance to spend time with him and and be on
a staff with him. And it's just been a great situation.
And I said, and I can't imagine how, I said,
you never know what would happen. Who knows what happens
if you know, if Kyle goes to b YU, you know,
obviously the world is a lot different. We'll never know that.
But it went really well for him, and it couldn't
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be more excited for him.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well, and interestingly enough, Bill, I didn't plan on asking
you this today. Now that we're kind of in the
space with the conversation, Kyle's saying, no allowed another friend
of yours to get that BYU job in Bronco and
Bronco Mennenhall, And look, I'm not asking you to sell
out any of your friends, and nor would I ask
you to share information that you want to keep close
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to the chest.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Here.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'll just say, from my vantage point and the vantage
point of others, those two aren't breaking bread together.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Those two didn't seem to really necessary.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Like it's pretty obvious that Kilani and Kyle have obviously
Klanie was up here coaching for Kyle, And maybe it's
just the nature of one coaching for BYU the other
coaching for UTAH. I guess the adjective I'll use is,
I see maybe some friction there.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Is that fair to say, you know what I and
being one hundred percent honest, I don't know that. I
don't I don't know if that's if that's accurate. I
think it's just probably the nature of one person's coaching
at BYU and the other ones at Utah. I know
there was always great respect, and I think there's just
always a natural kind of, like I said, a tendency
to just then like that, that that rivalry being a
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part of it was one of the most remarkable rivalries
I've had a chance to talk now from being in
you know, the SEC and Big Ten and all these places,
I've been in major robbery games growing up with Nebraska
Oklahoma and coaching in that game, coaching in Nebraska Colorado,
and coaching in l s U Florida games, and just
I've just been part of these games like that. And
I told everybody, I said, I I'll be honest with you,
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I don't know if there's one bigger than b Yu Utah.
I said, there's not one I've ever felt more than
I've ever just felt anything more than that. You know,
I'd been lucky to be in the Ohio State Michigan
game before and Uh, I just never felt a game
anything like it wasn't with b y U and Utah
and UH and and I'm so thankful that it's back,
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you know, I'm so thankful that it's back and in
the same conference too. I think that makes it even
better because you need that natural rivalry. So I think
that's awesome. But as far as the exact that I
know this, I have talked to Kyle, you know, a
thousand times, and I talked to Bronco five hundred times.
Never one time did one ever express to me the
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disdain for the other for something at all. And then
that was never said. But there probably was a natural
friction just because that game meant so much.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, fair fair Well said the impressions on Brigham Young
through two games, Bill, I mean, they've got this freshman
quarterback who's built like a linebacker. He wears forty seven
under center. You know, it's interesting, Bill, And we had
Klania on two weeks ago. I asked him this, if
you read any national publication that is discussing Brigham.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Young right now, it's starting to sound a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Like they would describe Utah with, you know, the defensive culture.
And I asked Kilanie, as he's built up this thing,
he's been there ten years now, how much of this
do you feel like is yours? How much of this
do you feel like his Lavelle's how much do you
feel like it's wits? And he was very humble and
honest because that's who he is, that he has built
up BYU football, predicated on the lessons he learned from
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the man who he played for, Lavelle Edwards, and the
man who he coached for and Kyle Whittingham. So that
defense is nasty. Obviously, Jay's down there running the show.
I don't know if they've been tested, much like I
don't know if Utah has been tested. But Portland State
Stanford they're clean after two games, have only allowed three points.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yeah, the probably the biggest thing to stand out is
it's really hard to allow just three points no matter
who you play. It's really hard to be able to
do that. That art is difficult. They have and I'm
sure they would say the same thing, And I'm not
speaking for them, because I do talk to members of
that staff also just to their there's friends of mine
on that staff. Obviously, Jay Hill was my graduate assistant
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at Utah, and Chad's down there and TJ the offensive
line coach. We were together at Utah State and at Wisconsin,
so those are good friends of mine. I would feel
they would all say the same thing that they have
not been tested. That's the one thing they said. They
have not been tested. I would say that Utah has
been tested more. Even though they handled UCLA easily, Ucla
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is more talented than what BYU I seen to this point.
So there are some advantages of it. So you get
a chance to work out a lot of kinks, a
lot of mistakes, the functionality of your team, which means
how do we stretch, how do we warm up? How
do we substitute all these little mechanical things. You get
to do with a lot of reps without being highly
stressed because the opponent across if you make one mistake,
(23:25):
you're still probably going to come out on top. And
so now things will start to change, obviously. But they
have not been challenged yet. But that doesn't mean either
it's like, well they haven't a challenge. I mean they're
not probably very good. I wouldn't say that either, But
it's going to be fun to see how they develop
and see how these games come down, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
All right, last thing ball set you loose on this.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I mean, look a and m is good. Marcel Reed
is an excellent quarterback. That's a tough place to play.
Your old buddy Bronco men at all got to win
week one against UTEP and then you know they were
able to CounterPunch a couple of times against an M,
but they were never fully in the game.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
They'll see Force coming up on Saturday. Always a tough.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Task, but early returns Bronco Mendenhall Utah State Bills sound
like what?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yeah? I thought. I was really impressed with tracking that
game and seeing some of it, obviously because they did
punch back in it being a forty something twenty two
am I right on the score with that, So they're able.
They're able to punch back, and it wasn't a fifty
six to nothing game, so they're able. And you can
put twenty two points on A and M. That was
a heavily invested team. And so I would say Bronk
(24:28):
would never be happy. I think he's going to look
at it. How how hard did we compete and how
much did we handle? Where were the where were the
pre snap bears and all those little things that happened.
And just so everyone knows, people had asked me numerous
times like that, you know, incredible places to play, and
I've been to A and M numerous times. I've been
there with Utah State. I've been there with Nebraska as
there with LSU, and the sheer pageantry of that place
(24:53):
of one hundred and some thousand people, it's insane. It's
one of the hardest places. If it's not the it'd
be one of the ones, be to be one of
two or three or four places to play. And so
when when you show up there, no matter how big
you've played in, the biggest games you've played in, it's
a wow. When they march the cadets in, it's a wow.
(25:14):
The whole stadium when you're up in the press box,
the whole stadium moves when they sway back and forth.
So it's a whole and they hung in there, and
so I'd be I imagine Bronko would deep down inside,
without being too verbal about it, probably pretty proud. And
then at the same time, now he walks into an
Air Force team, which is a completely different offense, and
(25:34):
that's that's a headache for you. And so his headache,
you know, turned into Okay, I wish we were playing
someone a little bit more you know, normal of an offense.
Because you get into auction football, triple option eleven on
eleven football plus one quarterback runs, your hands get fulled
really fast defensively and so but I'm very very pleased
with where they're at right now.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Bill, thank you for the time, sir. Enjoy the weekend
ahead and enjoy the games. We'll get you back on soon.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Awesome. I appreciate. I look forward to being back on
and I said, there's nothing I love more than in
following everyone back in that state and go Utes.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Bill Busch, former defensive back coach for the Utes, coach
for Mac, He coached for Urban. He coached for witt
Utah State under Gary Anderson. Won a national championship in
twenty nineteen with LSU.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So appreciate his time today.
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