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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Utah football heads to Wyoming this week, looking to continue
their hot start after dismantling UCLA and cal Poly BYU
is on a buy a lot of good games on
the slate though week two of pro football. We'll get
going tomorrow with a really good Thursday night game. Our
next guest, friend of the show, stops by from time
to time, the legend himself, the Great Danny Canel on
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a Wednesday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Danny, Happy Wednesday, sir, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm good man. It's good to be on. It's becoming
a little annual tradition which I love catching up with you.
It's been a fun start to the college football season.
I felt coming into this season it was gonna be
a like really really fun, entertaining season that was really
wide open, and I think that's played out. I'm not
great at predictions, but that one I feel pretty confident
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in so far.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well predictions Danny and this bort are impossible. I mean
they've always been impossible, but now they're like impossible, you know,
with all.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
The changeover with players and coaches.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
But before we get to some specific games, I will
ask you your impressions on these Utah You throw two wins.
I don't know how good UCLA is, and I'm not
sure that cow poly's an accurate LIPTNUS test. But this
young quarterback, Devin Dampier's looked pretty good through two games.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, yeah, he looks great. Utah is my Mulligan pick,
So I explain why. So coming into the season, I
thought Kansas State, speaking of not knowing anything, I thought
they were going to be a team that was going
to bring the big twelve. But Utah is my Mulligan pick.
I think they are the cream of the crop right
now in the conference. And you mentioned you don't know
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how good UCLA is, I don't care. I mean the
way they won that game I think is probably most impressive.
Like that was a dominant victory on the road versus
a Big ten team, So I think that's really really impressive.
And you mentioned about Dan Pierre, who I liked that
move a lot, and it's been pretty tent trendy. We've
seen this happen at Oklahoma and a couple other places.
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But the fact that he came in there with Jason Beck,
his offensive coordinator from New Mexico, shows me that it
was comfortable and I think probably the best thing about
what I've seen early as he's eliminated some of the
mistakes he made throwing the football, because last year twelve
touchdowns thrown, but also had eleven interceptions. This year, the
clean sheet in the interception column is what you're looking for,
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and I'm sure that has Kyle Whittingham very happy. Also,
some of the other transfer portal movements have really worked
out well for the Ute, so I think the season
setting up great for him. As is the schedule, like
the fact that they get Texas Tech here after the
game against Wyoming at home. I think is Huote Arizona
State at home like most of their tougher competition is
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at home. So I think the Utes are sitting in
a great spot right now for the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Who else in the conference, Danny do you think is good?
I mean, we ran into this issue last year and
so we were all punished. They took away our Big
Twelve preseason media poll, which is fine because we were
all wrong a year ago. Iowa State might have the
best resume BYU about forty miles down south has looked good.
So your reference you like the Youtes? Who else do
you like in the Big Twelve?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
This year, I think it gets the hardest one to predict, right,
and even still at this point in the season, there's
still not really that kind of clear cut favorite. That's risen.
I like Utah, but I also I do think that
Texas Tech game is going to be a tremendous amount
of fun. And they're that experiment that was can they
buy themselves a big twelve championship? Can they buy their
way into the college football playoffs? And it's looked good early,
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but their competition has been less than cellar. But like
the returns are good so far. They have a little
bit of a test this weekend against Oregon State. I
don't see them slipping up there. So I think Texas
Tech is as advertised Idowa State. It's a unique team
to me. They don't really they don't have a lot
of the four and the five stars, and it might
not be pretty, but Matt Campbells squad just finds a
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way to win. Like that's so impressive what they're able
to do to just turn out wins when things. Maybe
they're not putting up forty plus points out there, you know,
on the scoreboards, but they just find ways to win.
I'll tell you a team that I like a lot,
and they're kind of flying under the radars Baylor. Baylor
lost that opener to Auburn. I think Sawyer Robertson, their quarterback,
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is the best quarterback in the country. He's averaging four
hundred and twenty nine yards through the air, like he's
sixty yards clear of the next highest passer. He can
put that team on his back. I thought they just
got a really impressive road win. They're at SMU, who's
one of the better teams from the ACC. So those
are just a few. But like I think Arizona State's
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going anywhere. Even though they lost to Mississippi State, I
still think they're a pretty good squad. Kansas, I still
think it's going to be really good with Jalen Daniels
is a really good quarterback. They lost a tough road
game against Missouri. But I think there's a lot of really,
really good quality teams in the Big twelve right now,
but I still think Utah is the best.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
It's interesting watching Kolonie Satake build up Brigham Young over
the course of the last decade and Danny. We had
Klonie on the show a couple of weeks ago and
I asked him the question because he played for LaBelle
Edwards and he was a defensive coordinator under Kyle Whittingham.
And BYU's identity now Danny is a lot like Utah's,
where people just look at their defense and how fast
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and physical they are. And they've only allowed three points
through two games. They smoke Portland State, which again is
kind of a whatever, and then the Stanford game was.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Never really in dowed.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
They are starting a true freshman quarterback in bear Bachmeier,
and it's going to take him a minute to get
his footing. But you know, the Jake Rehetz laugh stuff
comes down that probably changes the projection of how people
view them. But what do you think of BYU so
far this year?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I think Kolini Sataki is one of the more underrated,
underappreciated coaches in the country, and I know BYU fans
feel differently and they like him, and I think they
found a great spot for him there. And I do
think the Reds laugh news really kind of that's a late,
you know, change that you all of a sudden find
yourself searching. And I think the early returns on bear
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Bachmeyer have been pretty good. I love any quarterbacks that's
wearing number forty seven out there kind of playing the
game a little bit more old school. But I do think,
you know, he comes from some bloodlines where his brothers
have been really good, but I still think it could
be a little bit bumpy them. As I thought the
same thing about arch Manning, I thought the same thing
about Ty Simpson. Like other quarterbacks out there, it's just
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really hard to ask somebody with little playing experience to
go through the gauntlet of college football without having some
sort of freshman type moments. But they're off to a
great start. If that defense continues to deliver as you mentioned,
that'll keep them competitive in every game, So I would
expect EYU to be in the hunt. The good news is,
like every so the preseason, the highest win total of
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any team in the Big Twelve was eight and a half,
which tells you, like, if you can get to eight
or nine wins, you've got a chance to win the
conference and make the college football Playoff. It also is
sort of detrimental to the conference, right because that probably
means you're only a one big league unless somebody emerges
as eleven and one team, and then the second best
team is there at that nine to three. But I
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think BYU is exactly where they need to be, and
it wouldn't surprise me at all if they pull off
some pretty big upsets this season.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Mike gun you may have learned a lesson last week.
And you know, Dan, there's so much to like about
Dan Lanning and obviously, once upon a time, Utah and
Oregon pac twelve buddies. Oklahoma State is a program that
was one of the banner carriers in the Big twelve
for a long time. But you go up to Eugene
after running your mouth, we get to see Dan Lanning's
pregame speech. Look, I didn't think Oklahoma State would be
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in the game. I did not anticipate sixty nine to three.
What are your takeaways of that entire dynamic that was?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I mean, that was like jaw dropping. There were a
lot of teams last week to put up seventy points
and added really big blowouts, but those were against FCS opponents.
Oklahoma State is still a power for our team, and
I do wonder what that win itself means for Mike
Gundy's future. And he really wasn't saying anything that wasn't true,
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But there's example after example of teams like South Florida
last week, who has probably a tenth of the budget
that the Florida Gators do, and yet what they do
they went into Gainesville and got the outright win. So
like there's a disparity out there that Mike Gundy is
just stating, But it still doesn't, you know, give him
an excuse to be non competitive in that game against anybody.
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And the ramifications. I wonder if that really does sort
of show the end of the Mike Gundy tenure, which
has been one of the most impressive tenures in college football.
The consistency with which he's won in Stillwater has been
pretty phenomenal. I just wonder if sort of the game
is passed and by I don't think he loves sort
of the new player movement. He hasn't been shy about that.
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And if you don't adapt quickly, you will find yourself
with a program that is really reeling where it is
right now with Oklahoma State. So I think that's the
ramification for me is it might mean and remember last
year they were one of the worst teams in the
Big Twelve. I wonder if this means that retirement isn't
around the corner for Mike Gundy, which I think it's sad.
I think he's been a great character for college football,
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but I think this might mean more towards the end
of that career coming to a close.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Alabama. You know, of course stubs there tow to start
the season. Another one of the games where we didn't
learn anything, but they did bounce back.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I just wonder.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You know, Caitlin Dbora, a former pack to all buddy
of ours out here, it's always hard to take over
for the legend Danny. You know that as well as anybody,
whether it's taking over a quarterback or taking over as coach.
Do you think it's a personality fit there. Do you
think they're going to be long for him. I mean,
it's wild that at twenty one, it's their lowest ranking
in seventeen years, but that's what Saban did down there.
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Do you think he's going to be able to last
down in Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's a great question. I have my doubts, and you
mentioned the fit, and I just I just feel bad.
I don't know if it was a great job because
of the expectations, Like you don't ever want to be
the guy that follows the legend, right, you want to
be the next guy, and then that's where I think
that like that'll be set up for a better position.
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And he's such a polar opposite of what Nick Saban
was personality. He's friendly with the media, he's got an
open door policy. I think with the players. He's more
of a player friendly coach. He's an offensive mind, like
basically the antithesis of everything that Nick Saban was. So
I expected last year there to be a little bit
of a culture shock that could be at the detriment
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of the team. And when I heard players saying last year,
like calling each other out, hey, we got to be
on time for meetings, I don't think you ever had
that issue with Nick Saban because they were terrified. But
I've also, you know, been around this game long enough
to know there are more ways to win than just
to be one style of coach. Like I played for
Bobby Bowden, who was media friendly, was a sweetheart of
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a man, was you know, pretty player friendly, like we
all love playing for him. And I've seen player you know,
coaches like Nick Saban, like Tony Dungee, soft spoken, like
there's example after example of different styles of coaching that
can ultimately get you to where you want to go. Well,
this is one where I think Alabama fans could get
in their own way because they're just so used to
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having this dominant program. If they don't, you know, go
to nine wins this year, I could see the fans
getting so loud that it becomes toxic for Kaylen de
bor Then it becomes hard to recruit, and it becomes
a challenge to keep your team together. So I almost
feel this is one where the Alabama fans could get
in their own way and send somebody packing who's a
really good football coach, and I think Kaylen de Bora
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doesn't forget how to coach. I just wonder, like you said,
is it a bad fit or the wrong fit. I
think potentially that might be yes. But I will say
let the season play out, because they figured out a
lot of stuff and maybe, just maybe Florida State is
a really good football team. Where all of a sudden,
that loss, which looked devastatingly bad, maybe it doesn't look
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that bad at the end of the season. So I
want to wait and see how things play out in Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Sports sports Ratings, Watch Sports media Ratings Watch came out
with their data today over the first three weeks of
the college football and consumption across all platforms is up
about twenty five percent, which would indicate for three straight years,
more people and more people continue.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
To watch college football.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
How do you articulate now, Danny, the state of the
sport and where you think we're headed. You know, every
time coach Waite has asked about this out here, he
talks about the future of the sport potentially looking a
lot like the NFL, which is not a new take
with two conferences at one point. But you know, for
all of the conversation about transfer portal and paying players
in NIL and not being familiar with new rosters, people
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are still watching the sport Saturdays in the fall. Still
feel like Saturday is in the fault. Are you bullish
on the future at college football? You're concerned about it,
concerned about it?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Where you at with it?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I am bullish? I mean, I think it's been great
for the sport. Some of the atmospheres around college football.
You know, it's just there has not been any lack
of interest, and if anything, I think the amount of
coverage that's gone into the player movement and how in
the hope and excitement for programs that actually can pay players. Now,
I think programs that felt like they never had a
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shot all of a sudden, do think of Indiana last year,
what it meant for them to make a playoff run.
That's the program that never thought they had a chance
for a national championship. SMU made the playoff last year
Arizona State, and I think that's the commonality in a
good way. That's similar to the NFL. Like the NFL
they only have thirty two teams, but I would say
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twenty eight to maybe thirty. Fan bases feel like, hey,
we could make the playoffs. So I think the expanded
playoffs have really increased the interest. And then the fact
that for a long time, I think there were a
lot of fan bases where like, we don't pay our players,
we're not willing to cheat, so we don't really have
a chance. Now that the schools can pay the players
with the revenue share, you're able not only to feel
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like you have a chance, but you're actually able to
buy some players that are willing to leave schools that
traditionally might play players under the table. So I think
the parody in the sport has really brought back a
lot of the interest I do share my concer. I
talked to so many college football fans that have been
disgusted at the amount of movement, and they hate seeing
a player leave after one year, you know, at their program,
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and I do too. I think we're still figuring out
a structure that feels better where it's not the complete
wild West, which still it does feel like. But I
would definitely say the sport is in a pretty good
spot right now. It's never been better for the players
because they're making so much money, and I think the
fact that we've expanded the playoffs and a lot more
fan bases feel like they have a chance is a
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great thing for college football.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Let me ask you, as one of the louder voices
in college football, the way the sport has covered, you know,
a video surface this week of and I feel bad
because the Internet, as you know, Danny, can be a
very mean place, and certainly Hailey Sawyer is not the
only AP voter that we should be focusing on. Excuse me,
but ultimately, in the video she posted, it left her
open for a lot of criticism, which he's taken. It
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became pretty clear that you didn't even know that the
Florida game had taken place. In the AP hole is
supposed to be the place that we go to for
guidance from people that actually watch the sport. I don't
even look at the coaches pulled because most coaches admit
they don't even do it, and by the way, nor
should they. They have more important things to do. But
when it comes to the way the sport is covered,
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is one of the loudest voices in the media landscape.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
So I've always I've I've had a love hate relationship
with the AP Top twenty five because I the thing
that's driven me nuts is there's such a brand bias
that exists, and really it starts in the off season,
and it favors the bluest of blue bloods in college football,
and a lot of those reside in the power conferences,
which have all the money and all the resources, and
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those are the teams that should have a harder road
like and yet they get the benefit of the doubt
because they get so much coverage and they get a
lot of these great recruits, and so there's a lot
of speculation and all we do is yes and a
lot of times, especially like from fifteen to twenty five,
and I've voted in different polls, never the AP But
it is human nature to like not know what's happening
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at a lot of programs in the country. So you
might say, well, I've read a lot about the Florida Gators.
They've got a young quarterback who's supposed to be awesome,
and we're hearing all this great reports coming out of there,
so I'll throw them in there at seventeen, just you know,
picking out a generic number as opposed to maybe a
program like USF who their quarterback was back and healthy,
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and you know that should have been a team that
probably should have been receiving votes in the preseason top
twenty five if people were paying attention. And here's where
the detriment comes to a program like USS. If they
had a Penn State logo, a Nitney lyon, or if
they were an Alabama helmet or even a Florida State helmet,
they would be in the top five right now. With
the wins that they've gotten. They'd beat Boise State handily
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at home. They go on the road in the SEC
and play in an environment in Florida and get a win,
and yet they're still not in the top ten. To me,
that's an egregious disrespect and an egregious willingness for AP
voters to throw out everything they thought they knew in
the preseason. I really wish you're supposed to start with
a blank slate because we don't know anything about any team,
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especially with the turnover. But instead, you know, you have
programs like a South Carolina or even a Penn State
who I think is going to be really good, but
they haven't done anything to deserve a top five ranking.
But we just do it because we think they're going
to be good because of everything we saw last year.
And maybe they are, but I feel like they should
have to earn it, just the way South Florida does.
And yet South Florida has done a lot more than
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a lot of teams and they don't get the respect.
So it's a very, very flawed system. I do think
Hayley Sawyer spoke some truth because you said it does
drive conversation. But at the very least, I hope that
the amount of people that called her out and others
she wasn't the only one that was called out. I
hope it brings them accountability, and they're sort of afraid
of what could happen with backlash if they don't pay attention.
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So I hope they pay attention a lot closer realizing
people are going to start looking at their votes, and
then I think that'll get to a better place where
there's more accountability with the top twenty.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Five heavy as the crown.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
If you play quarterback in your last name is Manning,
and since you played the quarterback at the highest of levels,
I always like to kick the tires with you on
that position. First game, not so great, bounce back against
a lesser opponent. What have you seen from arts so far?
And how do you think it looks the rest of
the way.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
So I was blown away by the amount of hysteria
that was round Arch Manning, and I honestly felt bad
for him because to be able to live up to
that type of hype was gonna be impossible all along.
And I came in with very, very tepid thoughts on
Arch Manning, like I've seen way too many five stars
that just don't work out. Now, I think Arch works
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because he's in a great environment. He's got great talent
around him. Steve Starkesian has it a great history with quarterbacks.
I just thought it would be bumpy, and especially I
thought it'd be bumpy on the road, which it was
for him in Columbus. I had Texas missing the playoffs
going nine to three because they're going against the better
schedule than they were last year and a lot of
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their tougher games are on the road, like it was
against Ohio State. They still have to go to Georgia
this year. They still have to go to Florida in
the SEC, which doesn't look quite as as tough a
task with Florida losing, but that's still not an easy
place to play, not to mention they play Oklahoma, who
looks better. So I think it's going to be a
roller coaster for Arch Manning as he gets comfortable playing
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at this level and the only way to get comfortable
is to get those reps. And I do think he'll
be fine. I just think this year is be a
little bit up and down. I think next year is
the year to back Arch in Texas. This year, I
think it's a little bit too soon.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Vegas right now. Danny Heisman odds Garrett nus Meyer's the favorite.
John mcteers right behind him, Dante Moore's third arch is fourth,
and Devin Dampier, among others, is fit there at plus
fifteen hundred. Give me your thoughts on that list. Who
do you think should be the favorite to win it?
And you think Devin has a chance to say something
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at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yes, absolutely so much like the season, I feel like
the Heisman Trophy is wide open as well, Like there's
really not true a true clear cut leader. It's going
to be about positioning yourself, you know, to be in
this race at the right time. And clearly Dan Pierre
has done that so far, and he's gonna have good
opportunities once he gets into the sick of big twelve play.
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Things I like about him is he's already put up
really good numbers. I like the fact that he's a runner.
I do think that's something that's becoming a requirement at
that position and right now, like I still think you
might be throwing money away to back one of the
favorites like a John Mattier, like a Carson Beck, and
I think you might actually have value on trying to
find somebody like Danpierre who's the schedule sets up nicely.
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As I mentioned That's why I like them to win
the Big Twelve. And if you are the quarterback for
Utah and you win the Big Twelve, I think he's
got an outstanding chance because he's gonna play good. I
think he's gonna put up big numbers. I think he's
got a good chance to be either in New York.
I do wonder about sort of the East Coast bias
and the you know, the national bias against players from
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the wets West Coast or the Mountain West, like anywhere
in that region. It's just tougher. You don't have as
many matchups on ABC in prime time or on ESPN
in prime time. But there's no doubt I think he'll
be in that conversation late I you know, you asked
me about like I'm I'm a little bit biased. I
think this thing is wide open. I don't hate Thomas
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Castelanos at Florida State, like he already has a big
signature win. I think statistically he'll put up big numbers
and if he's able to thrust Florida State back in
that national conversation. He's a pretty dynamic electric player as well.
I don't hate him from a long shot perspective. If
you want to take a shot in a flyer for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
How many teams are you willing to say you believe
can win the national Championship this year, like legitimately can
actually do it.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I think there's probably ten, you know which you can.
I mean, I'm looking at a list in front of me,
like I think Ohio State can. They just did. Penn
State was my preseason pick. Texas is on there, and
I could be wrong. I don't think they will, but
that defense is really legit, and if arts proves me wrong,
it develops faster than I think they could. Georgia could,
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Oregon could, LSU could notre Dame. I have my doubts,
but they absolutely could. Alabama, as much people want to
write them off, that roster is still talented, Miami still could.
Clemson might be the line where I cut it off
because I need to see a little bit more. But
I think it's about ten teams and maybe even deeper,
as I'm like talking myself into it because of the reason.
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Nobody looks head and shoulders over everybody yet. But I
think this thing is as wide open to get so
I say it's at least ten deep, and maybe I
could talk myself into twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Before I say you loose. Danny, give me some of
the games you're looking at this weekend. You know, we've
got some heavyweight matchups. We've got some excellent games. You've
got Georgia Tennessee. We've got South Florida seeing if they're
for real with Miami. We've got Florida, lsu A and
M Notre Dame. So give me some of the games
you're looking out for. And where can our listeners go
find some good lines?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I bet online as always, always go check out that
online for your best odds out there. The Texas A
and M Notre Dame game is one that jumps out
to me because Notre Dame this is their season, with
their remaining schedule and the fact that they don't play
in a conference and have that sort of get out
of jail free card with a conference championship. I think
they have to get this win because if they lose
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this and run the table at ten and two, there
aren't that many really impressive wins, so you would have
to ask the question, well, who have you beaten? And
maybe it's USC, but I don't know if that one
win against a team that we're still not sure how
good they're going to be is going to resonate. So
I think that Notre Dame game becomes imperative that they
win it. They already lost to Miami. How do they
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bounce back here is a round a touchdown favorite. I
think that game is huge. And then the Florida Gators.
I'm really curious to see how they do. How do
they bounce back after that loss against LSU. I still
I think that there's just a massive overreaction. I think
there's more parody. I think South Florida could be a
really good football team where that loss isn't as abominable
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as people make it out to be. I still think
the Florida Gators could cover that spread if their defense
comes out and plays well, which I think they could
against the LSU offensive line, which still has question marks.
I need to see DJ Lagway how he looks in
that environment, but I think they'll try to run the
football be pretty committed to that. So I think that
is a game. Anytime there's a game in Batan, Newers
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at night, it's worth tuning into to see how it
turns out. So I like that game as well.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Danny. Always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Have appreciated your work for a long long time, so
thank you for the time and enjoyed the games this weekend.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Okay, absolutely two Spencer, have a good one, all.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Right, my god Danny Canell get him on Twitter at
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Speaker 2 (24:54):
As Danny stops by to preview the week.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Had.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, some big matchups this week, some big time, blue
blood ranked matchups this week after a lack of big
time matchups a week ago. Of course, Utah will be
in Laramie to take on Wyoming. Want to remind you
that that kick is at six o'clock, but our pregame
coverage with Porter Trevor Riley, Zach Moss, a bunch of
former utes will stop by as well. That's going to
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begin at two o'clock on Saturday, four hours prior to kick,
so make sure to set your alarm to tune into
ESPN seven hundred
Utah football heads to Wyoming this week, looking to continue
their hot start after dismantling UCLA and cal Poly BYU
is on a buy a lot of good games on
the slate though week two of pro football. We'll get
going tomorrow with a really good Thursday night game. Our
next guest, friend of the show, stops by from time
to time, the legend himself, the Great Danny Canel on
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a Wednesday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Danny, Happy Wednesday, sir, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm good man. It's good to be on. It's becoming
a little annual tradition which I love catching up with you.
It's been a fun start to the college football season.
I felt coming into this season it was gonna be
a like really really fun, entertaining season that was really
wide open, and I think that's played out. I'm not
great at predictions, but that one I feel pretty confident
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in so far.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well predictions Danny and this bort are impossible. I mean
they've always been impossible, but now they're like impossible, you know,
with all.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
The changeover with players and coaches.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
But before we get to some specific games, I will
ask you your impressions on these Utah You throw two wins.
I don't know how good UCLA is, and I'm not
sure that cow poly's an accurate LIPTNUS test. But this
young quarterback, Devin Dampier's looked pretty good through two games.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, yeah, he looks great. Utah is my Mulligan pick,
So I explain why. So coming into the season, I
thought Kansas State, speaking of not knowing anything, I thought
they were going to be a team that was going
to bring the big twelve. But Utah is my Mulligan pick.
I think they are the cream of the crop right
now in the conference. And you mentioned you don't know
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how good UCLA is, I don't care. I mean the
way they won that game I think is probably most impressive.
Like that was a dominant victory on the road versus
a Big ten team, So I think that's really really impressive.
And you mentioned about Dan Pierre, who I liked that
move a lot, and it's been pretty tent trendy. We've
seen this happen at Oklahoma and a couple other places.
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But the fact that he came in there with Jason Beck,
his offensive coordinator from New Mexico, shows me that it
was comfortable and I think probably the best thing about
what I've seen early as he's eliminated some of the
mistakes he made throwing the football, because last year twelve
touchdowns thrown, but also had eleven interceptions. This year, the
clean sheet in the interception column is what you're looking for,
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and I'm sure that has Kyle Whittingham very happy. Also,
some of the other transfer portal movements have really worked
out well for the Ute, so I think the season
setting up great for him. As is the schedule, like
the fact that they get Texas Tech here after the
game against Wyoming at home. I think is Huote Arizona
State at home like most of their tougher competition is
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at home. So I think the Utes are sitting in
a great spot right now for the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Who else in the conference, Danny do you think is good?
I mean, we ran into this issue last year and
so we were all punished. They took away our Big
Twelve preseason media poll, which is fine because we were
all wrong a year ago. Iowa State might have the
best resume BYU about forty miles down south has looked good.
So your reference you like the Youtes? Who else do
you like in the Big Twelve?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
This year, I think it gets the hardest one to predict, right,
and even still at this point in the season, there's
still not really that kind of clear cut favorite. That's risen.
I like Utah, but I also I do think that
Texas Tech game is going to be a tremendous amount
of fun. And they're that experiment that was can they
buy themselves a big twelve championship? Can they buy their
way into the college football playoffs? And it's looked good early,
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but their competition has been less than cellar. But like
the returns are good so far. They have a little
bit of a test this weekend against Oregon State. I
don't see them slipping up there. So I think Texas
Tech is as advertised Idowa State. It's a unique team
to me. They don't really they don't have a lot
of the four and the five stars, and it might
not be pretty, but Matt Campbells squad just finds a
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way to win. Like that's so impressive what they're able
to do to just turn out wins when things. Maybe
they're not putting up forty plus points out there, you know,
on the scoreboards, but they just find ways to win.
I'll tell you a team that I like a lot,
and they're kind of flying under the radars Baylor. Baylor
lost that opener to Auburn. I think Sawyer Robertson, their quarterback,
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is the best quarterback in the country. He's averaging four
hundred and twenty nine yards through the air, like he's
sixty yards clear of the next highest passer. He can
put that team on his back. I thought they just
got a really impressive road win. They're at SMU, who's
one of the better teams from the ACC. So those
are just a few. But like I think Arizona State's
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going anywhere. Even though they lost to Mississippi State, I
still think they're a pretty good squad. Kansas, I still
think it's going to be really good with Jalen Daniels
is a really good quarterback. They lost a tough road
game against Missouri. But I think there's a lot of really,
really good quality teams in the Big twelve right now,
but I still think Utah is the best.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
It's interesting watching Kolonie Satake build up Brigham Young over
the course of the last decade and Danny. We had
Klonie on the show a couple of weeks ago and
I asked him the question because he played for LaBelle
Edwards and he was a defensive coordinator under Kyle Whittingham.
And BYU's identity now Danny is a lot like Utah's,
where people just look at their defense and how fast
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and physical they are. And they've only allowed three points
through two games. They smoke Portland State, which again is
kind of a whatever, and then the Stanford game was.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Never really in dowed.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
They are starting a true freshman quarterback in bear Bachmeier,
and it's going to take him a minute to get
his footing. But you know, the Jake Rehetz laugh stuff
comes down that probably changes the projection of how people
view them. But what do you think of BYU so
far this year?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I think Kolini Sataki is one of the more underrated,
underappreciated coaches in the country, and I know BYU fans
feel differently and they like him, and I think they
found a great spot for him there. And I do
think the Reds laugh news really kind of that's a late,
you know, change that you all of a sudden find
yourself searching. And I think the early returns on bear
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Bachmeyer have been pretty good. I love any quarterbacks that's
wearing number forty seven out there kind of playing the
game a little bit more old school. But I do think,
you know, he comes from some bloodlines where his brothers
have been really good, but I still think it could
be a little bit bumpy them. As I thought the
same thing about arch Manning, I thought the same thing
about Ty Simpson. Like other quarterbacks out there, it's just
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really hard to ask somebody with little playing experience to
go through the gauntlet of college football without having some
sort of freshman type moments. But they're off to a
great start. If that defense continues to deliver as you mentioned,
that'll keep them competitive in every game, So I would
expect EYU to be in the hunt. The good news is,
like every so the preseason, the highest win total of
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any team in the Big Twelve was eight and a half,
which tells you, like, if you can get to eight
or nine wins, you've got a chance to win the
conference and make the college football Playoff. It also is
sort of detrimental to the conference, right because that probably
means you're only a one big league unless somebody emerges
as eleven and one team, and then the second best
team is there at that nine to three. But I
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think BYU is exactly where they need to be, and
it wouldn't surprise me at all if they pull off
some pretty big upsets this season.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Mike gun you may have learned a lesson last week.
And you know, Dan, there's so much to like about
Dan Lanning and obviously, once upon a time, Utah and
Oregon pac twelve buddies. Oklahoma State is a program that
was one of the banner carriers in the Big twelve
for a long time. But you go up to Eugene
after running your mouth, we get to see Dan Lanning's
pregame speech. Look, I didn't think Oklahoma State would be
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in the game. I did not anticipate sixty nine to three.
What are your takeaways of that entire dynamic that was?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I mean, that was like jaw dropping. There were a
lot of teams last week to put up seventy points
and added really big blowouts, but those were against FCS opponents.
Oklahoma State is still a power for our team, and
I do wonder what that win itself means for Mike
Gundy's future. And he really wasn't saying anything that wasn't true,
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But there's example after example of teams like South Florida
last week, who has probably a tenth of the budget
that the Florida Gators do, and yet what they do
they went into Gainesville and got the outright win. So
like there's a disparity out there that Mike Gundy is
just stating, But it still doesn't, you know, give him
an excuse to be non competitive in that game against anybody.
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And the ramifications. I wonder if that really does sort
of show the end of the Mike Gundy tenure, which
has been one of the most impressive tenures in college football.
The consistency with which he's won in Stillwater has been
pretty phenomenal. I just wonder if sort of the game
is passed and by I don't think he loves sort
of the new player movement. He hasn't been shy about that.
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And if you don't adapt quickly, you will find yourself
with a program that is really reeling where it is
right now with Oklahoma State. So I think that's the
ramification for me is it might mean and remember last
year they were one of the worst teams in the
Big Twelve. I wonder if this means that retirement isn't
around the corner for Mike Gundy, which I think it's sad.
I think he's been a great character for college football,
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but I think this might mean more towards the end
of that career coming to a close.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Alabama. You know, of course stubs there tow to start
the season. Another one of the games where we didn't
learn anything, but they did bounce back.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I just wonder.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You know, Caitlin Dbora, a former pack to all buddy
of ours out here, it's always hard to take over
for the legend Danny. You know that as well as anybody,
whether it's taking over a quarterback or taking over as coach.
Do you think it's a personality fit there. Do you
think they're going to be long for him. I mean,
it's wild that at twenty one, it's their lowest ranking
in seventeen years, but that's what Saban did down there.
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Do you think he's going to be able to last
down in Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's a great question. I have my doubts, and you
mentioned the fit, and I just I just feel bad.
I don't know if it was a great job because
of the expectations, Like you don't ever want to be
the guy that follows the legend, right, you want to
be the next guy, and then that's where I think
that like that'll be set up for a better position.
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And he's such a polar opposite of what Nick Saban
was personality. He's friendly with the media, he's got an
open door policy. I think with the players. He's more
of a player friendly coach. He's an offensive mind, like
basically the antithesis of everything that Nick Saban was. So
I expected last year there to be a little bit
of a culture shock that could be at the detriment
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of the team. And when I heard players saying last year,
like calling each other out, hey, we got to be
on time for meetings, I don't think you ever had
that issue with Nick Saban because they were terrified. But
I've also, you know, been around this game long enough
to know there are more ways to win than just
to be one style of coach. Like I played for
Bobby Bowden, who was media friendly, was a sweetheart of
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a man, was you know, pretty player friendly, like we
all love playing for him. And I've seen player you know,
coaches like Nick Saban, like Tony Dungee, soft spoken, like
there's example after example of different styles of coaching that
can ultimately get you to where you want to go. Well,
this is one where I think Alabama fans could get
in their own way because they're just so used to
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having this dominant program. If they don't, you know, go
to nine wins this year, I could see the fans
getting so loud that it becomes toxic for Kaylen de
bor Then it becomes hard to recruit, and it becomes
a challenge to keep your team together. So I almost
feel this is one where the Alabama fans could get
in their own way and send somebody packing who's a
really good football coach, and I think Kaylen de Bora
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doesn't forget how to coach. I just wonder, like you said,
is it a bad fit or the wrong fit. I
think potentially that might be yes. But I will say
let the season play out, because they figured out a
lot of stuff and maybe, just maybe Florida State is
a really good football team. Where all of a sudden,
that loss, which looked devastatingly bad, maybe it doesn't look
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that bad at the end of the season. So I
want to wait and see how things play out in Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Sports sports Ratings, Watch Sports media Ratings Watch came out
with their data today over the first three weeks of
the college football and consumption across all platforms is up
about twenty five percent, which would indicate for three straight years,
more people and more people continue.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
To watch college football.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
How do you articulate now, Danny, the state of the
sport and where you think we're headed. You know, every
time coach Waite has asked about this out here, he
talks about the future of the sport potentially looking a
lot like the NFL, which is not a new take
with two conferences at one point. But you know, for
all of the conversation about transfer portal and paying players
in NIL and not being familiar with new rosters, people
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are still watching the sport Saturdays in the fall. Still
feel like Saturday is in the fault. Are you bullish
on the future at college football? You're concerned about it,
concerned about it?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Where you at with it?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I am bullish? I mean, I think it's been great
for the sport. Some of the atmospheres around college football.
You know, it's just there has not been any lack
of interest, and if anything, I think the amount of
coverage that's gone into the player movement and how in
the hope and excitement for programs that actually can pay players. Now,
I think programs that felt like they never had a
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shot all of a sudden, do think of Indiana last year,
what it meant for them to make a playoff run.
That's the program that never thought they had a chance
for a national championship. SMU made the playoff last year
Arizona State, and I think that's the commonality in a
good way. That's similar to the NFL. Like the NFL
they only have thirty two teams, but I would say
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twenty eight to maybe thirty. Fan bases feel like, hey,
we could make the playoffs. So I think the expanded
playoffs have really increased the interest. And then the fact
that for a long time, I think there were a
lot of fan bases where like, we don't pay our players,
we're not willing to cheat, so we don't really have
a chance. Now that the schools can pay the players
with the revenue share, you're able not only to feel
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like you have a chance, but you're actually able to
buy some players that are willing to leave schools that
traditionally might play players under the table. So I think
the parody in the sport has really brought back a
lot of the interest I do share my concer. I
talked to so many college football fans that have been
disgusted at the amount of movement, and they hate seeing
a player leave after one year, you know, at their program,
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and I do too. I think we're still figuring out
a structure that feels better where it's not the complete
wild West, which still it does feel like. But I
would definitely say the sport is in a pretty good
spot right now. It's never been better for the players
because they're making so much money, and I think the
fact that we've expanded the playoffs and a lot more
fan bases feel like they have a chance is a
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great thing for college football.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Let me ask you, as one of the louder voices
in college football, the way the sport has covered, you know,
a video surface this week of and I feel bad
because the Internet, as you know, Danny, can be a
very mean place, and certainly Hailey Sawyer is not the
only AP voter that we should be focusing on. Excuse me,
but ultimately, in the video she posted, it left her
open for a lot of criticism, which he's taken. It
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became pretty clear that you didn't even know that the
Florida game had taken place. In the AP hole is
supposed to be the place that we go to for
guidance from people that actually watch the sport. I don't
even look at the coaches pulled because most coaches admit
they don't even do it, and by the way, nor
should they. They have more important things to do. But
when it comes to the way the sport is covered,
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is one of the loudest voices in the media landscape.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
So I've always I've I've had a love hate relationship
with the AP Top twenty five because I the thing
that's driven me nuts is there's such a brand bias
that exists, and really it starts in the off season,
and it favors the bluest of blue bloods in college football,
and a lot of those reside in the power conferences,
which have all the money and all the resources, and
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those are the teams that should have a harder road
like and yet they get the benefit of the doubt
because they get so much coverage and they get a
lot of these great recruits, and so there's a lot
of speculation and all we do is yes and a
lot of times, especially like from fifteen to twenty five,
and I've voted in different polls, never the AP But
it is human nature to like not know what's happening
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at a lot of programs in the country. So you
might say, well, I've read a lot about the Florida Gators.
They've got a young quarterback who's supposed to be awesome,
and we're hearing all this great reports coming out of there,
so I'll throw them in there at seventeen, just you know,
picking out a generic number as opposed to maybe a
program like USF who their quarterback was back and healthy,
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and you know that should have been a team that
probably should have been receiving votes in the preseason top
twenty five if people were paying attention. And here's where
the detriment comes to a program like USS. If they
had a Penn State logo, a Nitney lyon, or if
they were an Alabama helmet or even a Florida State helmet,
they would be in the top five right now. With
the wins that they've gotten. They'd beat Boise State handily
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at home. They go on the road in the SEC
and play in an environment in Florida and get a win,
and yet they're still not in the top ten. To me,
that's an egregious disrespect and an egregious willingness for AP
voters to throw out everything they thought they knew in
the preseason. I really wish you're supposed to start with
a blank slate because we don't know anything about any team,
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especially with the turnover. But instead, you know, you have
programs like a South Carolina or even a Penn State
who I think is going to be really good, but
they haven't done anything to deserve a top five ranking.
But we just do it because we think they're going
to be good because of everything we saw last year.
And maybe they are, but I feel like they should
have to earn it, just the way South Florida does.
And yet South Florida has done a lot more than
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a lot of teams and they don't get the respect.
So it's a very, very flawed system. I do think
Hayley Sawyer spoke some truth because you said it does
drive conversation. But at the very least, I hope that
the amount of people that called her out and others
she wasn't the only one that was called out. I
hope it brings them accountability, and they're sort of afraid
of what could happen with backlash if they don't pay attention.
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So I hope they pay attention a lot closer realizing
people are going to start looking at their votes, and
then I think that'll get to a better place where
there's more accountability with the top twenty.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Five heavy as the crown.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
If you play quarterback in your last name is Manning,
and since you played the quarterback at the highest of levels,
I always like to kick the tires with you on
that position. First game, not so great, bounce back against
a lesser opponent. What have you seen from arts so far?
And how do you think it looks the rest of
the way.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
So I was blown away by the amount of hysteria
that was round Arch Manning, and I honestly felt bad
for him because to be able to live up to
that type of hype was gonna be impossible all along.
And I came in with very, very tepid thoughts on
Arch Manning, like I've seen way too many five stars
that just don't work out. Now, I think Arch works
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because he's in a great environment. He's got great talent
around him. Steve Starkesian has it a great history with quarterbacks.
I just thought it would be bumpy, and especially I
thought it'd be bumpy on the road, which it was
for him in Columbus. I had Texas missing the playoffs
going nine to three because they're going against the better
schedule than they were last year and a lot of
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their tougher games are on the road, like it was
against Ohio State. They still have to go to Georgia
this year. They still have to go to Florida in
the SEC, which doesn't look quite as as tough a
task with Florida losing, but that's still not an easy
place to play, not to mention they play Oklahoma, who
looks better. So I think it's going to be a
roller coaster for Arch Manning as he gets comfortable playing
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at this level and the only way to get comfortable
is to get those reps. And I do think he'll
be fine. I just think this year is be a
little bit up and down. I think next year is
the year to back Arch in Texas. This year, I
think it's a little bit too soon.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Vegas right now. Danny Heisman odds Garrett nus Meyer's the favorite.
John mcteers right behind him, Dante Moore's third arch is fourth,
and Devin Dampier, among others, is fit there at plus
fifteen hundred. Give me your thoughts on that list. Who
do you think should be the favorite to win it?
And you think Devin has a chance to say something
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at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yes, absolutely so much like the season, I feel like
the Heisman Trophy is wide open as well, Like there's
really not true a true clear cut leader. It's going
to be about positioning yourself, you know, to be in
this race at the right time. And clearly Dan Pierre
has done that so far, and he's gonna have good
opportunities once he gets into the sick of big twelve play.
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Things I like about him is he's already put up
really good numbers. I like the fact that he's a runner.
I do think that's something that's becoming a requirement at
that position and right now, like I still think you
might be throwing money away to back one of the
favorites like a John Mattier, like a Carson Beck, and
I think you might actually have value on trying to
find somebody like Danpierre who's the schedule sets up nicely.
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As I mentioned That's why I like them to win
the Big Twelve. And if you are the quarterback for
Utah and you win the Big Twelve, I think he's
got an outstanding chance because he's gonna play good. I
think he's gonna put up big numbers. I think he's
got a good chance to be either in New York.
I do wonder about sort of the East Coast bias
and the you know, the national bias against players from
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the wets West Coast or the Mountain West, like anywhere
in that region. It's just tougher. You don't have as
many matchups on ABC in prime time or on ESPN
in prime time. But there's no doubt I think he'll
be in that conversation late I you know, you asked
me about like I'm I'm a little bit biased. I
think this thing is wide open. I don't hate Thomas
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Castelanos at Florida State, like he already has a big
signature win. I think statistically he'll put up big numbers
and if he's able to thrust Florida State back in
that national conversation. He's a pretty dynamic electric player as well.
I don't hate him from a long shot perspective. If
you want to take a shot in a flyer for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
How many teams are you willing to say you believe
can win the national Championship this year, like legitimately can
actually do it.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I think there's probably ten, you know which you can.
I mean, I'm looking at a list in front of me,
like I think Ohio State can. They just did. Penn
State was my preseason pick. Texas is on there, and
I could be wrong. I don't think they will, but
that defense is really legit, and if arts proves me wrong,
it develops faster than I think they could. Georgia could,
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Oregon could, LSU could notre Dame. I have my doubts,
but they absolutely could. Alabama, as much people want to
write them off, that roster is still talented, Miami still could.
Clemson might be the line where I cut it off
because I need to see a little bit more. But
I think it's about ten teams and maybe even deeper,
as I'm like talking myself into it because of the reason.
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Nobody looks head and shoulders over everybody yet. But I
think this thing is as wide open to get so
I say it's at least ten deep, and maybe I
could talk myself into twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Before I say you loose. Danny, give me some of
the games you're looking at this weekend. You know, we've
got some heavyweight matchups. We've got some excellent games. You've
got Georgia Tennessee. We've got South Florida seeing if they're
for real with Miami. We've got Florida, lsu A and
M Notre Dame. So give me some of the games
you're looking out for. And where can our listeners go
find some good lines?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I bet online as always, always go check out that
online for your best odds out there. The Texas A
and M Notre Dame game is one that jumps out
to me because Notre Dame this is their season, with
their remaining schedule and the fact that they don't play
in a conference and have that sort of get out
of jail free card with a conference championship. I think
they have to get this win because if they lose
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this and run the table at ten and two, there
aren't that many really impressive wins, so you would have
to ask the question, well, who have you beaten? And
maybe it's USC, but I don't know if that one
win against a team that we're still not sure how
good they're going to be is going to resonate. So
I think that Notre Dame game becomes imperative that they
win it. They already lost to Miami. How do they
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bounce back here is a round a touchdown favorite. I
think that game is huge. And then the Florida Gators.
I'm really curious to see how they do. How do
they bounce back after that loss against LSU. I still
I think that there's just a massive overreaction. I think
there's more parody. I think South Florida could be a
really good football team where that loss isn't as abominable
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as people make it out to be. I still think
the Florida Gators could cover that spread if their defense
comes out and plays well, which I think they could
against the LSU offensive line, which still has question marks.
I need to see DJ Lagway how he looks in
that environment, but I think they'll try to run the
football be pretty committed to that. So I think that
is a game. Anytime there's a game in Batan, Newers
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at night, it's worth tuning into to see how it
turns out. So I like that game as well.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Danny. Always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Have appreciated your work for a long long time, so
thank you for the time and enjoyed the games this weekend.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Okay, absolutely two Spencer, have a good one, all.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Right, my god Danny Canell get him on Twitter at
Danny Canell's where you find him. You can check out
betonline dot ag for updated college football Playoff, Heisman and
college football Week three lines.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
As Danny stops by to preview the week.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Had.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, some big matchups this week, some big time, blue
blood ranked matchups this week after a lack of big
time matchups a week ago. Of course, Utah will be
in Laramie to take on Wyoming. Want to remind you
that that kick is at six o'clock, but our pregame
coverage with Porter Trevor Riley, Zach Moss, a bunch of
former utes will stop by as well. That's going to
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begin at two o'clock on Saturday, four hours prior to kick,
so make sure to set your alarm to tune into
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