September 12, 2025 • 24 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, Sabrina Carpenter's voice has really changed over the past
twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I thought you were bringing in Sammy. I thought she
wanted a little Sabrina Carpenter. What do we got going on?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
She did?
Speaker 4 (00:10):
I searched Sabrina Carpenter on the the radio play okay,
and we didn't have the song she wanted, so I
just threw in some Ala Jackson.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well we've got to have that. You know that close enough?
That espresso song was everywhere? Was it last summer or
two summers ago?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
That's the one I knew from her, and that's the
one that we don't have. So okay, Sorry, Sammy, here's
some Ali Jackson.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Sammy Moore, you zone, Sammy. We like to let people
choose their walk up song.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And I'm a big Sabrina Carpenter fan like you are,
so our apologies.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm great, It's totally fine. You know. I just was like,
let's let's let's see if they have some some espresso.
That's where I was gonna go. I mean, I always
one of my friends is like, you should have went
with taste because the first lyric is like she's like
she's five foot and I'm also five foot so she's like,
you should have went with that, and I was like, Eh,
that's a little bit too extreme. We'll just go as expresso.
But you know, Alan Jackson's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Next time, porter, maybe we can get some espresso on
the way out. Maybe you can look it up on
YouTube or something. Yeah, we'll we'll find something. Okay, we'll
do something for sending me on the way out. Well, Sammy,
thank you for your time. Happy Friday. Here's here's where
I want to start, and I started the show this way.
You know, for anybody who listened to this show, first
of all, thank you. Second of all, I rail against
scheduling all the time because these early season matchups with
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teams that are so uneven makes it really hard to
analyze where we're at. But the only thing you can
do if your UTAH is do what you are supposed
to do. And they've done that so far, wouldn't you say.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, they have. I think you know over one hundred points.
We're close to one hundred points in your first two games.
I think you know you handle business. You only let
UCLA score one touchdown. You don't even let cal Poly
find the end zone. So UTAH has handled business for
the first two games.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Is there anything that you are still kind of on
the fence about dynamic positions come out, still kind of
waiting to learn about Utah.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I think the biggest thing still is the wide receiver room.
I know, from week one to week two, you saw,
you know, Ryan Davis got a little bit more involved,
Tobias Merriweather got a little bit more involved. But I
think there's still some questions around them and how are
they going to you know, impact this team. Like I
think that you know, the running game, you need the
running game to thrive so that the pass game can thrive.
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And it goes both ways. You need this pass game
to open up so that it makes it easier for
you know, way Sean and Nacari and Devin and the
rest of the guys that are going to tote the
rock for this Utah team. So I think, you know,
as of right now, it's the wide receivers. I mean,
I think that this week might be another good opportunity
to try and get things going. You know, Wyoming has
a very stout run defense, and so I think that
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it's going to be interesting to see if they aired out.
But I still think that you know, the last two
weeks have been a somewhat vanilla game plan. I think
you saw a little bit more versus cal Poly. There
was there was a lot more eye candy. If you
go back and watch the film, there's a lot of
pre snap movements and stuff like that that kind of
are going to make defenses play honest and stuff. And
so I think that you might see a little bit
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more of versus Wyom. You know, the caliber of opponent
is going up from last week, but I still don't
think we're going to see a lot from this offense.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
All right, let's dig into Devon's play because of course,
quarterback is a position that a is always massively important
and be the past couple of years because of the
inability of Cameraon to stay healthy, we've seen a bunch
of different options, and I think Devn has really inspired
a lot of confidence across the landscape of our community,
with youth fans being pumped about what they've seen so far.
What stood out most to you, Sammy about Devon's play
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through two games.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well, I think it all goes back to, you know,
how he carries himself off the field. I think you
know a big thing that you know, really stood out
to me, you know, getting to know Devon over the
last few months is just his attitude and how he
approaches the game and stuff like that, Like he loves
to say that like he he lives where his feet
are and so you know this, this is a guy
that's taking it one snap at a time, one play
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at a time, and he's not, you know, letting outside
circumstances affect what's going on in house. And I think
that that's something that you know, you've really seen triple
down throughout the rest of the team. The vibe around
this team feels very different from last year. But I
think on the field, the biggest thing for me with
Devin right now is his completion percentage, Like that was
a big thing they wanted to get upright up for him,
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And through the two games he's a seventy nine point
two completion percentage, which you know, there's still a lot
of games to be played and stuff like that, but
that's already a career high for him. Like last season
he had a fifty eight percent completion percentage. His twenty
twenty three season, it was a sixty two percent completion percentage,
but he didn't play a lot. So I think that
you know, that's that's that's a that vodes well for me,
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at least in terms of what he's capable of doing.
I think, you know, big thing with Kyle Whittingham is
keeping the ball safe and keeping it protected and he
hasn't turned it over yet. They've done what they needed
to do, and he's also worked on that completion percentage
while he's at it. But you know, Devin is just
as dynamic as you know, we all thought he was
going to be. I think, you know, you got you
got a little glimpse of that versus UCLA and like
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cal Poly, it was, you know, it was a get in,
get out type of game. But he still had some flashes.
You know, we saw him take some more downfield shots.
He didn't take as many hits versus Cal Pauly as
he did versus UCLA, which I know was a big
thing that Kyle Whittingham wanted him to do is take
less hits. But you know, through two games, I think
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Devin has performed pretty well.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So let's stay in the quarterback room.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And it was announced that as far as QB two goes,
it would be Isaac Wilson and so far, when we've
seen the backup play, it has been burd Ficklin and man,
this kid's got some juice. I mean, there's a lot
to like about what we've seen so far. Does it
feel like Bird has established himself as QB two. What's
your understanding of the dynamic in the room behind Devon?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, I think that Kyle Kyle addressed it pretty well
both on Saturday and on Monday. He said that, you know,
it's a mixture of Isaac has a red shirt that
they can use, and they want to see what they
have in Bird. You know, I do I think that
Bird can if God forbid something happens to Devin, if
Bird could handle things, I don't know. You know, it's
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been such a small sample size with him, but you know,
his performances with cal Poly was pretty dang good. You know,
four of four fifty three yards and an additional fifty
five on the ground, and the two touchdowns, including the
one where he literally just took the cal Poly defender
and just stiff armed him right into the dirt, which
you know, made everybody in the press box like insane.
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It was. The reaction was was was great up there,
But you know, I think that Bird is good. I
think I've said it before that I think Bird is
very much is a very similar quarterback to Devon in
terms of the way that he plays. He is a
he can sling it and you could see it. He
had some zip on some of those balls last week.
But he also has the ability to get out of
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dodge and you also saw that. And I think that
you know Devin's will he Bird and Devon are cut
from the same cloth in terms of their style of play.
As for Isaac, I mean, you know, Kyle said that
they have a red shirt for him to work with,
so they might not be you might not see him
as much this year, but I think that, you know,
as long as Devin stays upright and healthy, I don't
think this is going to be a major talking point
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this season.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Now you referenced the wide receiver room and the weapons
that that Devin has at his Disposal'll have a two
part question, Sammy, have you noticed any of these targets?
Kind of I should say you have you noticed Devin
favor or have you have you noticed him favoring anybody?
Does it seem like he has a tendency to look
one way or the other, and attended to the question
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which of the targets have stood out most to you
so far?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Is potentially becoming more dynamic.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I think you know, the safe answers is Ryan Davis.
You know, they played last year at New Mexico together,
and at New Mexico RD is very much Devin's safety blanket,
you know, and he would get to he would get
the ball to Ryan and let Ryan make the play.
And I think that that's you're kind of seeing that
again this year at Utah. You know, he had that
Ryan had his first career touch on as you last week,
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and I think you could see that that connection was building,
and Devin and Ryan have that pre established connection, which
was good. Was good when both of them decided to
come to Utah. That was something that you know, gave
me a little bit of like hope that Devin wasn't
going to be building chemisture with every single wide receiver
from January to now. He had someone that he had
a pre established connection with and then he was he
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was getting comfortable with. But I think, you know, Tobias
has started to really have a couple more targets who
started six times last week versus how poly A couple
of them were deep shots. There was the one that
Devin just put a little bit too much air on,
and then there was another one that if you go
back and watch it, the ball ended up behind Tobias,
but you know, the ball slipped in devon Devin's hand.
It was during that little rain burst that they had.
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But I think that, you know, I think Tobias could
be that game changer guy that opens the opens up
the rest of the pass game for Utah. He has
that long stride, big catch radius. He's able to make
some contested catches and stuff. So I think that, you know,
it's going to be It's gonna be interesting to see
how these two. I think those two are going to
probably by the time the season's over, those who are
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probably going to shake out to be your top two receivers.
I think Larry Simmons is going to be in that
conversation as well, the Southern mistransfer. He didn't you know,
he had the illegal touching catch versus UCLA, which you
know that's not a penalty you see called very frequently anymore.
But I think that that he's someone that could be
another you know, deep deep threat bust, something open type
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of type of playmaker for Devin.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We talked preseason Sammy about the running back situation, and
it's kind of manifested and exactly the way you said
that it would, with way Shan and Acari really sharing
the h the bulk of the reps. Devin's second on
the team and carries Nakari's got twenty three way Shawn
as seventeen way Shan as the two most explosive plays
of the season, both on the ground and through the air.
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But what do you make of what we've seen so far?
What do you like and how do you see it continuing?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I think that we're going to continue seeing it how
it's played out. I think, you know, Kylie even said that,
you know, until someone starts getting a really hot hand,
that's just what's going to happen. And I think it's
actually for the best, you know, with the constant rotating
in and out of those two guys, you know, it's
keeping guys healthy, and it's not like so frequent rotation
that you guys that can't guys can't get into a
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rhythm and stuff. You're seeing, you know, Nakari play a
drive and then you're seeing Wasshan play a drive unless
something happens down distant situational thing where one of them
needs to come in favor of the other. But you know,
I think they've performed pretty well. I think Nakari has
kind of established himself as that short distance kind of back.
You know, he had the two scores versus how poly
both of them were inside the two I think, But
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like Nakari is very much that guy, whereas Wasshan is
the speed guy. You saw that. You've seen that on
all of his touchdowns this year, especially that reception touchdown.
He just turned on the jets and it was it
was off to the races and and he's a fast guy.
Like he's fast and it's hard to bring down. So
I think that, you know, both of them have a
specific role in this offense, and they're being utilized to
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that ability when they're on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I had a friend refer to the offensive line as
like bar bouncers, because when you watch them, they just
pick up the opposition and just like throw them around.
I don't know that I have a question much as
I just want your observation.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Of course, it was the positional group.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We were all most confident in and through two games,
they've lived up to the hype.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah yeah, I think, you know, Spencer Fonno and Caleb
Womo are still two of the most dynamic tackles in
the country. To know what Togii has. You know, he's
played at a high level through the first few games
as well. Even though Jaren and Jaren company Michael Mulkafisi
you know, didn't see a lot of time versus cal
Poly or didn't play at all in Jaren's case, you know,
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they they still had good moments versus UCLA. And even
the guy that stepped in for both of those guys
on there out last week, which was Keith Olsen and
Alex Harrison, they played at a good level too. So
I think that, you know, from top to bottom, I
still have the most confidence in this offensive line room.
You know, Olson is going to be a keep part
of that offensive line next year, and I think that
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it's good that they're getting him out there, getting him
as as much experience as possible for so he can
just slide into that role next year.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
The dynamic of defensive players being used as offensive weapons
so far have been pretty entertaining and also very useful
and it's worked.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Coach Win on a number.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Of occasions, have talked about has talked about Jackson, Benny
who had the pick six, and have We've seen a
little bit on offense. So you know, whether it's Lander
or Smith or now Jackson, give me some of your
takeaways watching these defensive players be utilized on the other.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I think, you know, Jackson's probably one of the more
intriguing ones for me. I you know, he's been playing
a little bit of wide receiver and I was asked
about this overrun zone this week about like why are
they playing Jackson instead of someone like Larry Simmons, And
I think it all comes down to Jackson's speed, Like
his top end speed is insanely fast, and I think
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Kyle even referred to him a someone who can blow
the top off of a defense. So I think that
getting Jackson out there is just going to make things
easier for the rest of the guys because you're getting
you know, someone's gonna you're gonna have shallow crosses open,
You're gonna have stuff over the middle open because Jackson's
you know, running those deep routes nine times out of ten. Lander,
you know, he has the touchdown. I think Utah's tight
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ends are fine. I they like good. I shouldn't say fine.
They're very talented Dollan, Bentley, JJ Buchanan, Hunter Andrews, that group,
they're very good. So I don't think landers Lander's playing
tight end. I think is more, very much more of
a situational type thing because you have other tight ends
who are able to produce at a high level. As
for Smith, you know, he's just he's one of those
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guys that you know when when they put him out
on the field, you never know what he's gonna do.
You've seen him run, you know some some routes, you've
seen him be put in the running like in the
Battle of the Running Back. Beck loves to use that
bubble motion to get him going and get hit hand
in the ball and stuff. So I mean, it's fun,
it's a different way to roll it. And I think
that you know, until other guys can start producing at
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a high level, specifically in the wide receiver room, I
wouldn't be shocked if it continues. But I think at
the end of the day, I've always been a big
fan of get whoever's on the field that's gonna help
win games. And if that includes the three of those
defenders getting them on the fields playoffense, then do what
you need to do to win the games.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Moving over to the other side of the football, Sammy,
one of the questions we all had was that defensive
front was replacing five players from a year ago, either
graduation NFL or transferring like Ciano did down to BYU.
Early returns defensive front Utah football sound.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Like what good? Very good from my vantage point is
what I say. The five defensive ends that you've seen rotate,
every single one of them now has logged at least
at least half a sack, which you know, I don't
think anyone had John Henry Daily as the leading sack
leader on this team at this point of the season.
I think most people thought it was going to be Logan,
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But you know, I've been really, really, really high on
John Henry even going back to spring. JHD has been
one of those guys that we've heard so much about
throughout the fall or throughout tail end of last fall,
through spring this year and into this fall, and you know,
see him getting going early is very beneficial for this
Utah defensive line. And I think you know when Logan
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comes back. Pairing the two of them together, I think
that could honestly be a very very very successful pass
rush unit. And then on the interior, you know, Dallas
goes down early in that Ucla game, but ever since then,
I haven't noticed that much of a drop off, you know,
a leak. He's been playing in a very good level.
Joonahla A has been playing well. And then the freshman
Carson Kusi, Pupuosa Balona. Both of them have gotten in
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there and made some big time plays. Both of them
had some big stops versus cal Poly, and I think,
you know, early rich turns on them are good. Obviously,
the level of competition the first two weeks, especially for
defensive tackle, hasn't been that great. Cal Poly and and
UCLA weren't able to you know, especially the Ucla they
didn't have that great of an offensive line, so literally
nothing could happen with them. But with cal Poly, they
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their running game struggled even in their first week. So
I think that, you know, it's going to be interesting
to see how they shape up when you get into
conference play when you have some teams that have some
very very very good and very powerful running backs. But
early returns from my vantage point have been pretty good.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So if Wyoming is to make this interesting, what does
that look like. They've got a running back so far
that's off to a really good start to the season.
They've got a couple good linebackers. We had their play
by play voice on this week and he was lotting
the depth that they have there that they haven't had
in quite some time. You already kind of touched on
this earlier when I brought you in, and Utah is
a heavy favorite. The weather looks like it could be
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a little hairy, about fifty six degrees. There's a slight
chance of rain. Laramie can get weird. Texas Tech lost
up there a couple of years ago. Texas had to
rally themselves. It's an odd trip. I'm old enough to
remember whack days and early Utah Wyoming back and forth.
I don't know that the elevation affects Utah, although it
is hired seven thousand feet above sea level. So if
this game gets weird, Sammy, what does that look like?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I think it's going to be mainly the secondary Utah secondary.
Caden Anderson is gonna be the first like true pocket
passer that Utah has had to face all season, and
I think, you know, he is coming into this game
not one hundred percent. He has that upper body injury,
but you know he can sling it. And I think that,
you know, after a sub hard performance last week versus
how Poly, these corners are going to want to redeem
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themselves and they're going to want to redeem themselves like
bad and so I think that's probably the biggest area
where you know, things could go a rise in the
passing game. But I do think that you know, Utah
has the benefit of the doubt with this pass rush.
I think if they can get to Anderson early, I
think that he might be hearing footsteps, mistakes might be happening.
He might play a little bit eat, like I don't
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know how to phrase it, but he might be playing
a little bit lighter to protect himself and stuff like that.
But I think that the secondary is the area where
this is going to get dicey. I think if it
does get dicey, I fully think that Utah's offense should
be fined versus Wyoming's defense. Devin Dampier's played against them now,
this will be the third time and they've never been
able to stop him. I talked to somebody who covers
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Wyoming this week and he basically said the biggest area
of concern for him is Devin Dampier. Like they this
Wyoming defense has not been able to stop Devin in
the last two showings, and so I think that's something
that you know it's going to benefit Utah. Ryan Davis
has played against this team before Nakari was hurt last year,
so he hasn't played against them. But I think you know,
there are guys who have experienced this situation before and
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this area in Laramie. I mean, Justin Stevenson transferred from
Wyoming to Utah, So if anyone knows what it's like
to play in that arena, it's him. But I think
that yeah, I think my biggest thing is the Utah
secondary right now is like they're going to need to
figure out, figure things out, and figure it out fast
because next week it just gets a whole lot tougher.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Your reference, Dallas Vakilaki will want to get him back soon.
I know they held out Jayden Logan Fano, do you
have any insight on the current state of the health
overall and who may be held out coming up?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I honestly have no clue, you know, like we hear
things throughout the week and stuff. But you know, I
think it is a good sign that Kyle Whittingham said that,
you know, there hasn't been any nothing like, he's not
worried there has He hasn't mentioned any season ending injuries yet.
But you know, photos were posted earlier in the week,
and I know Rabbit was posting in one in a photo.
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Was that from practice? Mokafisi is in a photo, so
I think that you know, they're practicing. Those two at
least are. We don't know about the rest, but those
two are practicing, so that should be you know, help
should be on the way at some point. I know,
you know, Rabbit hasn't taken a single snap this year,
and the hopeless to get him back before conference play
and stuff, so you know, it's gonna be interesting to see.
You know, next week is the first week where we
actually get injury reports, so it'll be a lot easier
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to like to figure out who's playing who's not gonna play,
even though we all know Kyle will probably say everyone's
questionable at some point. But you know, it's gonna be
interesting to see as of right now, you know, we'll
see who dresses and then we can go from.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
There Larre of Me about a five and a half
hour drive thereabouts, and you know the Rose Bowl and
nice road or nice road trip or simply just trip
that youth fans could have been able to take if
they chose to go in that direction.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Any any idea.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
What sort of youth fan contingent will be there in
Laramie tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I have no idea. I know that there there are
there is going to be some Utah fans that are
going to make the trip and stuff. A lot of
people were kind of looking forward to this trip to
you know, relive Mountain West days and stuff like that.
But Utah fans have do travel well. I don't think
that's ever a question. And I think for kind of
like how it was with the rosebul they're going back
to someplace they know, albeit they hasn't been ten it's
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been over ten years since they've been to Laramie. But
you know, I think that there's going to be Utah
fans there. They're going to make their presence felt. And
that's a that's a small arena, so you're going to
be able to tell them, like that's a small stadium,
that you're going to be able to find the UTA
fans for a mile away, especially because their colors are
vastly different from Wyoming fans. But Utah fans are going
to be there. I just don't know how many. I
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haven't seen as many people talking about going to this
game as I did about the Rose Bowl and stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Well, and where we started, which is my opening segment
with the show. When it comes to games where you're
heavily favored early on in the season, all you can
do is do what you're expected to do and the
chips will fall what they're supposed to. Before I set
you loose, have you seen enough, combined with Utah's performance
over the first two games and what you've witnessed with
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other teams in the Big twelve to believe that this
is a season that Utah has a chance to say
something about this Big Twelve conference here too.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I think they do. I think you know, next week
versus Texas Tech is going to be the first big
test and for both Utah and Tech. You know, Tech
plays Oregon State this weekend, but before that, they have
just played a bunch of smaller schools and also Tech
hasn't even left there's home stadium yet this season, whereas
Utah this will be their second road game. They've played
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at home, and I think that you know, Wyoming is
by far the big guest tests that they have faced
up until this point. You know, everyone thought UCLA was
gonna be the big test, but looking back on them now,
they they all look that great. I think Utah can
make an impact on this Big Twelve. I think they
can make a run for the title. It's just healthy,
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keeping everybody healthy and you know, doing doing things that
Utah way, keeping the ball safe, scoring, playing sound, defense,
take forcing turnovers. But I think, you know, if if
everyone stays healthy and everything goes to plan, I would
not be shocked if Utah makes a run for the
Big Twelve championship.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Sammy, where can people go find your work?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
You can join us over at zone dot com UH,
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now the NFL season. You'll probably see a NFL tweet
here there, but nothing massive.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And Sammy, you have my word.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
The next time you join us, Sabrina Carpenter will be
your bump music.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Bringing you in.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Okay, thanks, Vince, all right.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
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Speaker 2 (23:21):
Some couple couple great previews of the game tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, Wyoming's got a couple of really good running backs
and a really really good linebacker. So far as far
as the PFF grades, go Utai healthy favorite the Sam
Scott kid is averagingo for five yards per Kerry Kayden Anderson,
who is expected to play did I have to go
to the hospital last week after an injury to his
upper body. Braden Johnson is their linebacker who is the
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highest graded player according to PFF.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
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Wow, Sabrina Carpenter's voice has really changed over the past
twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I thought you were bringing in Sammy. I thought she
wanted a little Sabrina Carpenter. What do we got going on?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
She did?
Speaker 4 (00:10):
I searched Sabrina Carpenter on the the radio play okay,
and we didn't have the song she wanted, so I
just threw in some Ala Jackson.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well we've got to have that. You know that close enough?
That espresso song was everywhere? Was it last summer or
two summers ago?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
That's the one I knew from her, and that's the
one that we don't have. So okay, Sorry, Sammy, here's
some Ali Jackson.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Sammy Moore, you zone, Sammy. We like to let people
choose their walk up song.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And I'm a big Sabrina Carpenter fan like you are,
so our apologies.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm great, It's totally fine. You know. I just was like,
let's let's let's see if they have some some espresso.
That's where I was gonna go. I mean, I always
one of my friends is like, you should have went
with taste because the first lyric is like she's like
she's five foot and I'm also five foot so she's like,
you should have went with that, and I was like, Eh,
that's a little bit too extreme. We'll just go as expresso.
But you know, Alan Jackson's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Next time, porter, maybe we can get some espresso on
the way out. Maybe you can look it up on
YouTube or something. Yeah, we'll we'll find something. Okay, we'll
do something for sending me on the way out. Well, Sammy,
thank you for your time. Happy Friday. Here's here's where
I want to start, and I started the show this way.
You know, for anybody who listened to this show, first
of all, thank you. Second of all, I rail against
scheduling all the time because these early season matchups with
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teams that are so uneven makes it really hard to
analyze where we're at. But the only thing you can
do if your UTAH is do what you are supposed
to do. And they've done that so far, wouldn't you say.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, they have. I think you know over one hundred points.
We're close to one hundred points in your first two games.
I think you know you handle business. You only let
UCLA score one touchdown. You don't even let cal Poly
find the end zone. So UTAH has handled business for
the first two games.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Is there anything that you are still kind of on
the fence about dynamic positions come out, still kind of
waiting to learn about Utah.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I think the biggest thing still is the wide receiver room.
I know, from week one to week two, you saw,
you know, Ryan Davis got a little bit more involved,
Tobias Merriweather got a little bit more involved. But I
think there's still some questions around them and how are
they going to you know, impact this team. Like I
think that you know, the running game, you need the
running game to thrive so that the pass game can thrive.
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And it goes both ways. You need this pass game
to open up so that it makes it easier for
you know, way Sean and Nacari and Devin and the
rest of the guys that are going to tote the
rock for this Utah team. So I think, you know,
as of right now, it's the wide receivers. I mean,
I think that this week might be another good opportunity
to try and get things going. You know, Wyoming has
a very stout run defense, and so I think that
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it's going to be interesting to see if they aired out.
But I still think that you know, the last two
weeks have been a somewhat vanilla game plan. I think
you saw a little bit more versus cal Poly. There
was there was a lot more eye candy. If you
go back and watch the film, there's a lot of
pre snap movements and stuff like that that kind of
are going to make defenses play honest and stuff. And
so I think that you might see a little bit
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more of versus Wyom. You know, the caliber of opponent
is going up from last week, but I still don't
think we're going to see a lot from this offense.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
All right, let's dig into Devon's play because of course,
quarterback is a position that a is always massively important
and be the past couple of years because of the
inability of Cameraon to stay healthy, we've seen a bunch
of different options, and I think Devn has really inspired
a lot of confidence across the landscape of our community,
with youth fans being pumped about what they've seen so far.
What stood out most to you, Sammy about Devon's play
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through two games.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well, I think it all goes back to, you know,
how he carries himself off the field. I think you
know a big thing that you know, really stood out
to me, you know, getting to know Devon over the
last few months is just his attitude and how he
approaches the game and stuff like that, Like he loves
to say that like he he lives where his feet
are and so you know this, this is a guy
that's taking it one snap at a time, one play
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at a time, and he's not, you know, letting outside
circumstances affect what's going on in house. And I think
that that's something that you know, you've really seen triple
down throughout the rest of the team. The vibe around
this team feels very different from last year. But I
think on the field, the biggest thing for me with
Devin right now is his completion percentage, Like that was
a big thing they wanted to get upright up for him,
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And through the two games he's a seventy nine point
two completion percentage, which you know, there's still a lot
of games to be played and stuff like that, but
that's already a career high for him. Like last season
he had a fifty eight percent completion percentage. His twenty
twenty three season, it was a sixty two percent completion percentage,
but he didn't play a lot. So I think that
you know, that's that's that's a that vodes well for me,
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at least in terms of what he's capable of doing.
I think, you know, big thing with Kyle Whittingham is
keeping the ball safe and keeping it protected and he
hasn't turned it over yet. They've done what they needed
to do, and he's also worked on that completion percentage
while he's at it. But you know, Devin is just
as dynamic as you know, we all thought he was
going to be. I think, you know, you got you
got a little glimpse of that versus UCLA and like
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cal Poly, it was, you know, it was a get in,
get out type of game. But he still had some flashes.
You know, we saw him take some more downfield shots.
He didn't take as many hits versus Cal Pauly as
he did versus UCLA, which I know was a big
thing that Kyle Whittingham wanted him to do is take
less hits. But you know, through two games, I think
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Devin has performed pretty well.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So let's stay in the quarterback room.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And it was announced that as far as QB two goes,
it would be Isaac Wilson and so far, when we've
seen the backup play, it has been burd Ficklin and man,
this kid's got some juice. I mean, there's a lot
to like about what we've seen so far. Does it
feel like Bird has established himself as QB two. What's
your understanding of the dynamic in the room behind Devon?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, I think that Kyle Kyle addressed it pretty well
both on Saturday and on Monday. He said that, you know,
it's a mixture of Isaac has a red shirt that
they can use, and they want to see what they
have in Bird. You know, I do I think that
Bird can if God forbid something happens to Devin, if
Bird could handle things, I don't know. You know, it's
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been such a small sample size with him, but you know,
his performances with cal Poly was pretty dang good. You know,
four of four fifty three yards and an additional fifty
five on the ground, and the two touchdowns, including the
one where he literally just took the cal Poly defender
and just stiff armed him right into the dirt, which
you know, made everybody in the press box like insane.
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It was. The reaction was was was great up there,
But you know, I think that Bird is good. I
think I've said it before that I think Bird is
very much is a very similar quarterback to Devon in
terms of the way that he plays. He is a
he can sling it and you could see it. He
had some zip on some of those balls last week.
But he also has the ability to get out of
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dodge and you also saw that. And I think that
you know Devin's will he Bird and Devon are cut
from the same cloth in terms of their style of play.
As for Isaac, I mean, you know, Kyle said that
they have a red shirt for him to work with,
so they might not be you might not see him
as much this year, but I think that, you know,
as long as Devin stays upright and healthy, I don't
think this is going to be a major talking point
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this season.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Now you referenced the wide receiver room and the weapons
that that Devin has at his Disposal'll have a two
part question, Sammy, have you noticed any of these targets?
Kind of I should say you have you noticed Devin
favor or have you have you noticed him favoring anybody?
Does it seem like he has a tendency to look
one way or the other, and attended to the question
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which of the targets have stood out most to you
so far?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Is potentially becoming more dynamic.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I think you know, the safe answers is Ryan Davis.
You know, they played last year at New Mexico together,
and at New Mexico RD is very much Devin's safety blanket,
you know, and he would get to he would get
the ball to Ryan and let Ryan make the play.
And I think that that's you're kind of seeing that
again this year at Utah. You know, he had that
Ryan had his first career touch on as you last week,
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and I think you could see that that connection was building,
and Devin and Ryan have that pre established connection, which
was good. Was good when both of them decided to
come to Utah. That was something that you know, gave
me a little bit of like hope that Devin wasn't
going to be building chemisture with every single wide receiver
from January to now. He had someone that he had
a pre established connection with and then he was he
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was getting comfortable with. But I think, you know, Tobias
has started to really have a couple more targets who
started six times last week versus how poly A couple
of them were deep shots. There was the one that
Devin just put a little bit too much air on,
and then there was another one that if you go
back and watch it, the ball ended up behind Tobias,
but you know, the ball slipped in devon Devin's hand.
It was during that little rain burst that they had.
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But I think that, you know, I think Tobias could
be that game changer guy that opens the opens up
the rest of the pass game for Utah. He has
that long stride, big catch radius. He's able to make
some contested catches and stuff. So I think that, you know,
it's going to be It's gonna be interesting to see
how these two. I think those two are going to
probably by the time the season's over, those who are
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probably going to shake out to be your top two receivers.
I think Larry Simmons is going to be in that
conversation as well, the Southern mistransfer. He didn't you know,
he had the illegal touching catch versus UCLA, which you
know that's not a penalty you see called very frequently anymore.
But I think that that he's someone that could be
another you know, deep deep threat bust, something open type
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of type of playmaker for Devin.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We talked preseason Sammy about the running back situation, and
it's kind of manifested and exactly the way you said
that it would, with way Shan and Acari really sharing
the h the bulk of the reps. Devin's second on
the team and carries Nakari's got twenty three way Shawn
as seventeen way Shan as the two most explosive plays
of the season, both on the ground and through the air.
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But what do you make of what we've seen so far?
What do you like and how do you see it continuing?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I think that we're going to continue seeing it how
it's played out. I think, you know, Kylie even said that,
you know, until someone starts getting a really hot hand,
that's just what's going to happen. And I think it's
actually for the best, you know, with the constant rotating
in and out of those two guys, you know, it's
keeping guys healthy, and it's not like so frequent rotation
that you guys that can't guys can't get into a
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rhythm and stuff. You're seeing, you know, Nakari play a
drive and then you're seeing Wasshan play a drive unless
something happens down distant situational thing where one of them
needs to come in favor of the other. But you know,
I think they've performed pretty well. I think Nakari has
kind of established himself as that short distance kind of back.
You know, he had the two scores versus how poly
both of them were inside the two I think, But
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like Nakari is very much that guy, whereas Wasshan is
the speed guy. You saw that. You've seen that on
all of his touchdowns this year, especially that reception touchdown.
He just turned on the jets and it was it
was off to the races and and he's a fast guy.
Like he's fast and it's hard to bring down. So
I think that, you know, both of them have a
specific role in this offense, and they're being utilized to
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that ability when they're on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I had a friend refer to the offensive line as
like bar bouncers, because when you watch them, they just
pick up the opposition and just like throw them around.
I don't know that I have a question much as
I just want your observation.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Of course, it was the positional group.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We were all most confident in and through two games,
they've lived up to the hype.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah yeah, I think, you know, Spencer Fonno and Caleb
Womo are still two of the most dynamic tackles in
the country. To know what Togii has. You know, he's
played at a high level through the first few games
as well. Even though Jaren and Jaren company Michael Mulkafisi
you know, didn't see a lot of time versus cal
Poly or didn't play at all in Jaren's case, you know,
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they they still had good moments versus UCLA. And even
the guy that stepped in for both of those guys
on there out last week, which was Keith Olsen and
Alex Harrison, they played at a good level too. So
I think that, you know, from top to bottom, I
still have the most confidence in this offensive line room.
You know, Olson is going to be a keep part
of that offensive line next year, and I think that
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it's good that they're getting him out there, getting him
as as much experience as possible for so he can
just slide into that role next year.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
The dynamic of defensive players being used as offensive weapons
so far have been pretty entertaining and also very useful
and it's worked.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Coach Win on a number.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Of occasions, have talked about has talked about Jackson, Benny
who had the pick six, and have We've seen a
little bit on offense. So you know, whether it's Lander
or Smith or now Jackson, give me some of your
takeaways watching these defensive players be utilized on the other.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I think, you know, Jackson's probably one of the more
intriguing ones for me. I you know, he's been playing
a little bit of wide receiver and I was asked
about this overrun zone this week about like why are
they playing Jackson instead of someone like Larry Simmons, And
I think it all comes down to Jackson's speed, Like
his top end speed is insanely fast, and I think
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Kyle even referred to him a someone who can blow
the top off of a defense. So I think that
getting Jackson out there is just going to make things
easier for the rest of the guys because you're getting
you know, someone's gonna you're gonna have shallow crosses open,
You're gonna have stuff over the middle open because Jackson's
you know, running those deep routes nine times out of ten. Lander,
you know, he has the touchdown. I think Utah's tight
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ends are fine. I they like good. I shouldn't say fine.
They're very talented Dollan, Bentley, JJ Buchanan, Hunter Andrews, that group,
they're very good. So I don't think landers Lander's playing
tight end. I think is more, very much more of
a situational type thing because you have other tight ends
who are able to produce at a high level. As
for Smith, you know, he's just he's one of those
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guys that you know when when they put him out
on the field, you never know what he's gonna do.
You've seen him run, you know some some routes, you've
seen him be put in the running like in the
Battle of the Running Back. Beck loves to use that
bubble motion to get him going and get hit hand
in the ball and stuff. So I mean, it's fun,
it's a different way to roll it. And I think
that you know, until other guys can start producing at
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a high level, specifically in the wide receiver room, I
wouldn't be shocked if it continues. But I think at
the end of the day, I've always been a big
fan of get whoever's on the field that's gonna help
win games. And if that includes the three of those
defenders getting them on the fields playoffense, then do what
you need to do to win the games.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Moving over to the other side of the football, Sammy,
one of the questions we all had was that defensive
front was replacing five players from a year ago, either
graduation NFL or transferring like Ciano did down to BYU.
Early returns defensive front Utah football sound.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Like what good? Very good from my vantage point is
what I say. The five defensive ends that you've seen rotate,
every single one of them now has logged at least
at least half a sack, which you know, I don't
think anyone had John Henry Daily as the leading sack
leader on this team at this point of the season.
I think most people thought it was going to be Logan,
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But you know, I've been really, really, really high on
John Henry even going back to spring. JHD has been
one of those guys that we've heard so much about
throughout the fall or throughout tail end of last fall,
through spring this year and into this fall, and you know,
see him getting going early is very beneficial for this
Utah defensive line. And I think you know when Logan
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comes back. Pairing the two of them together, I think
that could honestly be a very very very successful pass
rush unit. And then on the interior, you know, Dallas
goes down early in that Ucla game, but ever since then,
I haven't noticed that much of a drop off, you know,
a leak. He's been playing in a very good level.
Joonahla A has been playing well. And then the freshman
Carson Kusi, Pupuosa Balona. Both of them have gotten in
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there and made some big time plays. Both of them
had some big stops versus cal Poly, and I think,
you know, early rich turns on them are good. Obviously,
the level of competition the first two weeks, especially for
defensive tackle, hasn't been that great. Cal Poly and and
UCLA weren't able to you know, especially the Ucla they
didn't have that great of an offensive line, so literally
nothing could happen with them. But with cal Poly, they
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their running game struggled even in their first week. So
I think that, you know, it's going to be interesting
to see how they shape up when you get into
conference play when you have some teams that have some
very very very good and very powerful running backs. But
early returns from my vantage point have been pretty good.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So if Wyoming is to make this interesting, what does
that look like. They've got a running back so far
that's off to a really good start to the season.
They've got a couple good linebackers. We had their play
by play voice on this week and he was lotting
the depth that they have there that they haven't had
in quite some time. You already kind of touched on
this earlier when I brought you in, and Utah is
a heavy favorite. The weather looks like it could be
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a little hairy, about fifty six degrees. There's a slight
chance of rain. Laramie can get weird. Texas Tech lost
up there a couple of years ago. Texas had to
rally themselves. It's an odd trip. I'm old enough to
remember whack days and early Utah Wyoming back and forth.
I don't know that the elevation affects Utah, although it
is hired seven thousand feet above sea level. So if
this game gets weird, Sammy, what does that look like?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I think it's going to be mainly the secondary Utah secondary.
Caden Anderson is gonna be the first like true pocket
passer that Utah has had to face all season, and
I think, you know, he is coming into this game
not one hundred percent. He has that upper body injury,
but you know he can sling it. And I think that,
you know, after a sub hard performance last week versus
how Poly, these corners are going to want to redeem
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themselves and they're going to want to redeem themselves like
bad and so I think that's probably the biggest area
where you know, things could go a rise in the
passing game. But I do think that you know, Utah
has the benefit of the doubt with this pass rush.
I think if they can get to Anderson early, I
think that he might be hearing footsteps, mistakes might be happening.
He might play a little bit eat, like I don't
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know how to phrase it, but he might be playing
a little bit lighter to protect himself and stuff like that.
But I think that the secondary is the area where
this is going to get dicey. I think if it
does get dicey, I fully think that Utah's offense should
be fined versus Wyoming's defense. Devin Dampier's played against them now,
this will be the third time and they've never been
able to stop him. I talked to somebody who covers
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Wyoming this week and he basically said the biggest area
of concern for him is Devin Dampier. Like they this
Wyoming defense has not been able to stop Devin in
the last two showings, and so I think that's something
that you know it's going to benefit Utah. Ryan Davis
has played against this team before Nakari was hurt last year,
so he hasn't played against them. But I think you know,
there are guys who have experienced this situation before and
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this area in Laramie. I mean, Justin Stevenson transferred from
Wyoming to Utah, So if anyone knows what it's like
to play in that arena, it's him. But I think
that yeah, I think my biggest thing is the Utah
secondary right now is like they're going to need to
figure out, figure things out, and figure it out fast
because next week it just gets a whole lot tougher.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Your reference, Dallas Vakilaki will want to get him back soon.
I know they held out Jayden Logan Fano, do you
have any insight on the current state of the health
overall and who may be held out coming up?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I honestly have no clue, you know, like we hear
things throughout the week and stuff. But you know, I
think it is a good sign that Kyle Whittingham said that,
you know, there hasn't been any nothing like, he's not
worried there has He hasn't mentioned any season ending injuries yet.
But you know, photos were posted earlier in the week,
and I know Rabbit was posting in one in a photo.
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Was that from practice? Mokafisi is in a photo, so
I think that you know, they're practicing. Those two at
least are. We don't know about the rest, but those
two are practicing, so that should be you know, help
should be on the way at some point. I know,
you know, Rabbit hasn't taken a single snap this year,
and the hopeless to get him back before conference play
and stuff, so you know, it's gonna be interesting to see.
You know, next week is the first week where we
actually get injury reports, so it'll be a lot easier
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to like to figure out who's playing who's not gonna play,
even though we all know Kyle will probably say everyone's
questionable at some point. But you know, it's gonna be
interesting to see as of right now, you know, we'll
see who dresses and then we can go from.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
There Larre of Me about a five and a half
hour drive thereabouts, and you know the Rose Bowl and
nice road or nice road trip or simply just trip
that youth fans could have been able to take if
they chose to go in that direction.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Any any idea.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
What sort of youth fan contingent will be there in
Laramie tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I have no idea. I know that there there are
there is going to be some Utah fans that are
going to make the trip and stuff. A lot of
people were kind of looking forward to this trip to
you know, relive Mountain West days and stuff like that.
But Utah fans have do travel well. I don't think
that's ever a question. And I think for kind of
like how it was with the rosebul they're going back
to someplace they know, albeit they hasn't been ten it's
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been over ten years since they've been to Laramie. But
you know, I think that there's going to be Utah
fans there. They're going to make their presence felt. And
that's a that's a small arena, so you're going to
be able to tell them, like that's a small stadium,
that you're going to be able to find the UTA
fans for a mile away, especially because their colors are
vastly different from Wyoming fans. But Utah fans are going
to be there. I just don't know how many. I
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haven't seen as many people talking about going to this
game as I did about the Rose Bowl and stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Well, and where we started, which is my opening segment
with the show. When it comes to games where you're
heavily favored early on in the season, all you can
do is do what you're expected to do and the
chips will fall what they're supposed to. Before I set
you loose, have you seen enough, combined with Utah's performance
over the first two games and what you've witnessed with
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other teams in the Big twelve to believe that this
is a season that Utah has a chance to say
something about this Big Twelve conference here too.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I think they do. I think you know, next week
versus Texas Tech is going to be the first big
test and for both Utah and Tech. You know, Tech
plays Oregon State this weekend, but before that, they have
just played a bunch of smaller schools and also Tech
hasn't even left there's home stadium yet this season, whereas
Utah this will be their second road game. They've played
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at home, and I think that you know, Wyoming is
by far the big guest tests that they have faced
up until this point. You know, everyone thought UCLA was
gonna be the big test, but looking back on them now,
they they all look that great. I think Utah can
make an impact on this Big Twelve. I think they
can make a run for the title. It's just healthy,
(22:16):
keeping everybody healthy and you know, doing doing things that
Utah way, keeping the ball safe, scoring, playing sound, defense,
take forcing turnovers. But I think, you know, if if
everyone stays healthy and everything goes to plan, I would
not be shocked if Utah makes a run for the
Big Twelve championship.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Sammy, where can people go find your work?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
You can join us over at zone dot com UH,
which we call the greatest Utah community on the Internet.
Lots of VIP content, recruiting UH. We have a VIP podcast,
lots of VIP content, also a message board you can
join and come talk to some of the greatest ukas
fans you'll ever meet. And you can find me on
Twitter at s underscore more two four seven just random
musings about you know, Utah and other sports items prefer
(23:00):
now the NFL season. You'll probably see a NFL tweet
here there, but nothing massive.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And Sammy, you have my word.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
The next time you join us, Sabrina Carpenter will be
your bump music.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Bringing you in.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Okay, thanks, Vince, all right.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Sammy Moore from you Zone, she does a great job
at s underscore more two for seven. Youth Zone is
the place you should go as a youthe fan and
get all the good content.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Some couple couple great previews of the game tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, Wyoming's got a couple of really good running backs
and a really really good linebacker. So far as far
as the PFF grades, go Utai healthy favorite the Sam
Scott kid is averagingo for five yards per Kerry Kayden Anderson,
who is expected to play did I have to go
to the hospital last week after an injury to his
upper body. Braden Johnson is their linebacker who is the
(23:45):
highest graded player according to PFF.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But Utah hoping to head up.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
To Laramie and the Porter Larson Bowle as it's coined
around here and handle the cowboys easily. Hopefully it's an
anxiety free Saturday night. With IFA Step four falling winter
lawn food, you'll get stronger roots now and an early
green up next spring. It's the ultimate lawn owner power move.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
More can be
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Found at your local IFA or at IFA dot co
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