December 12, 2025 • 17 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dave. How are you, sir, dude?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm doing doing good. I was the phone number starts
coming in and I was like, hey, coach, I gotta
I gotta go. I got another coach. And so you
got me out of a staffing discussion from from across
the country. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Okay, there you go, and look, you have joined us
over the years and you have always had very very
kind things to say about with high praise for wit.
And now he steps aside as the head coach. What
sort of perspective can you give our community as far
as just how good of a job he did here
as Utah's had football coach.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Well, I mean you you lost a top twenty graded
active head coach. I mean, those guys just don't grow
on trees. And look at the look at the turnover
of that industry, and how almost impossible it is to
have a ten year of well greater than ten years. So,
I mean he navigated the program out out of the
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group of five in the twelve, built it into what
it is today. There's not a whole lot of guys
in college football can that can say I am unequivocally
the man that built this football program from from basically
the ground up. So, uh, you know, you think about
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guys like that across the country. You know, b why
You's got Lavel Edwards. I mean the Duck's got Mike Bolotti,
Tom James at Washington. I mean you think about all
the number one guys Bill Snyder at Kansas State. You know,
you start putting into perspective of all these number one
guys of these top programs that are out there.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
He was.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
He's not just an amazing active head coach that that's
stepping down. It was a you know, a legendary guy
in college football.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
And you analyze a number of different, uh, you know
pieces when it comes to what makes college football coaches
either you know, a very success and you're also good
at pointing out the college football coaches that might be
a little bit over their skis what what can you
share about what you believe with secret Sauce was recruiting,
you know, defense or prowess, sexes and o's whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That sounds like, Dave, Why why was he so good
at his job?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Gosh, you know, there's so many intangible things. You know,
with all the head coaches I've worked with over the
last decade, plus, but really really good ones. They all
have little distin tangible stuff that that you really can't
account for. I would say number one though, is mentally
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the ability to be organized and focused and driven day
in and day out. There's so many people, especially now
with people getting fired, look at how much money to
make I should have been a head coach. Man. You
these are different, different animals. They are just wired differently,
everything that their genetics, you know, they're born with and
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how they're brought up, and it's almost inexplicable, and sometimes
you got to get a little lucky on the way,
you know. And I'd probably say the thing I point
to when you look at a lot of coaches that
have done it really really good for a long time,
is they are able to find and retain excellence better
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than most guys. And you know, so when I think
of Utah football, the first thing I think of is Whittingham.
But I also look at the staff and I go,
he's got a top ten defensive coordinator in Morgan Scally,
and he had him for a long long time relative
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to what most other coaches have in terms of coordinators.
So I think part of it is maybe one of
the intangibles. Besides those things I just mentioned is the
ability to build a culture and bring in coaches that
don't want to leave, you know, because you can leave
for more money in a lot of places, especially when
you're that good. I think probably one of the unsung
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things that people don't talk about that much is the
coaching continuity that he was able to manufacture at his
time in Utah.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So when it comes to your reference, Morgan Morgan Scalley,
who now will be the guy he slides over one
seat and your metrics have always indicated that he's also
elite at what he does. What sort of head coach
do you think Morgan Scalley's.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Going to make?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Dave no idea, Man, no idea. We can get hammered
right now and throw darts. It's the same same probability,
right because he's never done the head coaching thing before,
he can become one of the greatest head coaches in
college football. You know. But we've seen plenty of guys
that are elite at offense or defense fail at that.
Then vice versa. You know, there's guys that you know
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aren't good at what they've done, and somehow they look
at Kenny Dillingham had one good year in his entire
life with Oregon and Bonett, and somehow he parlayed it
into doing a great job at Arizona State. But by
the numbers, could we have seen that coming? No? No,
Now we'll let surprise us. If you talk to teams
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having great defense and he's a really really good defensive
head coach, no, it won't surprise us. But how well
he handles the offense and staffing and recruiting and nil
and so forth. Look, Kyle had a long run way
to figure all that stuff out, and I know Morgan
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has been learning this side by side, But it's really
different for guys watching people put their feet in the
fire versus getting your feet put in the fire. Kind
of like that Mike Tyson. And everybody has a plan
until they get punched in the mouth. Oh, we're going
to find out what Morgan's all about when he gets
punched in the mouth. He's been doing this long enough,
but there's no guarantee of success or failure at this level.
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We're just well, this is a blank slate. Baby, it's
not good, it's not bad. We're just as hopeful as
you band.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Do you have any and I may be catching you
off guard.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So there's probably a spreadsheet somewhere that you have where
you could dig this up. But when it comes to
the history of just moving coordinators into the head coach role,
you know, Ryan Day, you could come up with a
lot off the top of your head that have worked
and maybe some that haven't more or more often than not.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Is it the right move or is the data kind
of cloudy?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's pretty cloudy on that right. Next man Up always
scares me, man, it really does. But I think a
lot of it though, depends on how much influence Kyle
continues to have, you know, in that transition. Now, this
has been a long runway, so this isn't a surprise.
You know, he is suddenly retiring and oh my gosh,
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now Morgan's up to bat. I mean this was probably
decided last year at the beginning of the season, who
knows when, so so emotionally there's been a preparation there.
But if you notice in recent years, next man Up
has been very, very successful when the guy that planned
it all out sticks around, right, Chip Kelly was nothing
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without Mike Bloody. We didn't realize until Chip left and
tried to be a head coach somewhere else and go, wow,
he really sucks at this except for the x's and o's.
So Mike helped with the transition because he built that in.
Bob Stoops help with the transition, and Lincoln Riley you know,
and built that in. So this transition between Kyle and
Morgan has been going on for a while. It'll be
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interesting to see going forward because everybody's talking about, well,
he's not retiring, he can still work out there. Yeah,
I've seen his contract. You can retire if you want to.
I know what the pay is going forward for the
rest of your life. So he can do whatever the
hell he wants to do. I would just love to
see him be a greater part or stick around in
that transition for the utes, but you know it's not necessary.
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And again back to your question, if there's no rhyme
or reason and if it's going to be successful or
fail just because of the situation.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Let me ask you about Utah's offensive coordinator Jason Beck.
It's a new situation with one year of data at
least on the P four level in the Big twelve.
I mean, he had coached in other places, but we
talk a lot with you over the years about with
about Morgan and of course coach lud Andy Ludwig, who
is no longer here was leco last year. But what
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does your data say about Jason Beck as far as
a play caller and offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I'd extend him right now if I could, Tom Morgan scale.
It is probably the first thing I do for continuity.
He's been really good, The offense has been solid. He's
done it at two places now, so that's portable, right.
This is an offense that works in two spots. It's
not just one that worked somewhere at one spot forever.
So we've got a portable offense, we have a rising
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star in terms of offensive coordinator ability, and we're looking
for continuity here. So I think that I'm on a
surprised I haven't had more people in all the coaching
searches that I've been in around the country, there haven't
been a lot of reports requested for him, which has
really been a bit of a surprise for me because
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I think there's a tremendous amount of upside and in
the Big twelve, like it or not, big teams can
poach your guys, right. There's just more money on the
other side if they want to do that. So I
like the hire when Kyle hired him, and I think
he's done a very very good job, and I think
it'd be very, very difficult to upgrade that position right
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now given the current circumstance in college football.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So it's been an interesting day, Dave, because the Kyle
Whittingham news came down two minutes before we started the show.
We were expecting it at some point. The deadline for
him to inform the administration was last Friday, but nothing
became public until literally we cracked the mic. And this
is live radio, it's not a podcast. The light goes on,
(09:58):
you got to do the thing. So, you know, we
had Eric wedelon. We talked a lot about you know,
Kyle's legacy and said thank you and ultimately what it means.
And then as the Weddel interview was ending, Stuart Mandel
from The Athletic is reporting that Kyle is not retiring
and is interested in other coaching opportunities. So it's kind
of become this like fluid situation. And you know there's
(10:21):
a school in ann Arbord that's been in the news
that might need a head coach. Do you do you
think that there would be any interest there either with
Michigan calling Kyle or Kyle answering that phone call.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Okay, Okay, I'm gonna say this again for the million times. Okay,
not on the show, but this is just for everybody listening,
because I have been in dozens of head coaching searches,
and I've been in hundreds of staff builds. Okay, everybody
in the media throws s against the wall when it
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comes down to the coaching carousel. There's no accountability. Anybody,
even Stuart Mandel can make anybody can make any anything
up for a click, and they do. Okay, ninety nine
percent of what you hear out there is made up.
It doesn't exist. It is just simply there to drive
people talking about it and get people to click. Now
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there is one percent this is real, and that one
percent is driven by agents. Okay, The agents get stuff
out there. You ever wonder why somebody has a suddenly
of you know, why is John David Baker suddenly the
hot name out there when he's had one good year
in his career. Agents drive this stuf so at a
nine to one, And I can unequivocally say every search
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I've ever been in Okay, head coach, coordinators, unit guys,
you name it. I'm working on seventeen right now, just
right now, this year alone. Okay, nothing has ever leaked,
Nothing other than agents putting stuff out there and people guessing,
nothing has ever leaked. So to your question about Kyle, yeah,
maybe he is. I take all of that with an
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incredible grain assault. No matter who it comes from. It
could just simply be a dart throw just getting a reaction,
So that could happen. But let's just wait and see.
It doesn't change the trajectory of the youth program right now,
but I'll believe it when I see.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
It fair enough and more or less, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Mandel's a guy I've had on the show and seems
to be you know, well well sourced, and I have
been in contact with somebody who knows him and said
most of his contacts are agent. So maybe it is
Kyle's agent floating it out there to say, hey, my
guy's not done done. But let's let's move over into
the space of what you think is most likely with Kyle.
I mean, he has a very nice retirement package at
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his disposal. Once he steps aside, He's quote a special advisor,
which means he's still being paid a lot of money
to stay as connected to the program as Morgan wants
him or as Mark wants him. And you referenced earlier
that the succession plan that has worked has included the
next man up, but also the guy was that was
there before kind of sticking around to help him, you know,
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guide him into the next era of Utah football.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Do you think that's the most likely thing we're going
to see with Kyle?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I do. I do. And as far as Michigan goes,
you know, I see a lot of names floated out there.
I've heard that Michigan is a quote unquote nuclear right now,
a lot of issues going on to there. But that
doesn't seem to perturb a lot of head coaches because
Michigan is still a ginormous brand and the amount of
money to get paid to go there is huge, and
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the talent is well, we know what the talent level is.
So I still go with best man available. I don't
think that's Jed Fish, a guy who's won less than
thirty percent of his road games as a head coach. Yeah,
not my guy, and so I would stick with me.
I'm sticking with the bigger names. I'm going Bram, I'm
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going Lincoln Riley, and Brian Kelly. I think those are
the three names that you should look out for in
the process. If I had to pick one, Yeah, I
don't think I'll pick one. That's a pretty big job.
But I think those If you said, Dave, give me
three that you'd go after first and foremost, I think
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it would be those guys.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I don't know what to ask you about shown more.
I mean, that was such a wild twenty four hours.
You know, we were on air when the news came
down that he had been fired, and then as I
was driving home, I get the alert on my phone
that he had been arrested. So, I mean, look, talk
about a generational fumbling.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Of the bag.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
You lose your job, you're not going to get any
of the money owed to you. And I don't know
his wife, but I would imagine she's not pumped about
this entire thing. But away from that, what sort of
coach was he And what's your reaction to just kind
of how that whole thing went down?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, you know, I mean as a person personally and
have known a lot of people, I think we've all
known a lot of people that as we get older,
because I ain't no spring Chicken anymore. What we know
of we've had, uh, But there's probably a lot of
people listening that just emotionally, there's missteps, there's breakdowns, it's inexplicable,
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you know, triggers in our heads. So whatever drove him
to his emotional situation, that's rough, and I hope he uh,
he's better for it and can work his way through that.
But as a coach there was pretty average. There wasn't
anything special there. Offensively struggled on the offensive side of
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the ball. Hiring that side, I think he lived a
lot off of Harbaugh's culture and the depth of the
defensive side. You know, he brought in wink market. Martin
Dale has done a pretty good job overall at Michigan
relative to the talent, But when it comes right down
to it, has he excelled the gifts that he was
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given from a talent and schedule standpoint No? And I
think on the offensive side he struggled to find any
sort of rhythm there whatsoever. And I do feel that
since he took over, the program's been on a slow regression.
It makes me feel when you look at the numbers.
If I put Mark Helfrich Oregon and Schwunmore Michigan side
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by side, is just coach A and Coach B, and
you watch the regressions of where it came from. They're
pretty similar in terms of their spiral down over the years.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Other piece of coaching news before I say you loose,
since you and I last spoke and when you and
I last spoke, Colonie Satake was flirting with Penn State,
but he decided to continue to live with his wife
of b YU a very healthy raise for Klonnie and
his assistance as a guy that knows the landscape. Your
thoughts on Colonnie say no to a very premier job
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to stay with BYU?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, I don't think he's ever going. I don't think
he's ever going. It wasn't even if you'd asked me,
dab or you're worried about Colonie leaving for Penn State. Nope,
I'm just wondering what his raise is going to be
when they renew him. That's it. That's it there. There
wasn't even any I think once the president of Penn
State took over, it was all Matt Campbell and that
was it for a long time. So well, you know,
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I'm glad Kline got the raise. I hope everybody did.
They've earned it. They've done a tremendous job. I mean,
if you look at the last twenty four regular season
games outside of Kurt Signetti, has anybody been more amazing
than Kline? Sataki, No not. I don't believe so. So,
you know, all very very deserving there. But I think
there was a little bit more drama. Remember what I
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said about the ninety nine percent of the media driving clicks.
I think there's a lot more drama there than there
actually was.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Okay, fair enough, and you're the guy that would kind
of help us understand all this, Dave. So look, I
appreciate the time, have a great weekend, whatever you're doing, hunting, elk,
COCONUTI bulls.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's always good to be day bar two.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Take it, eat these fencer. Appreciate you.
Dave. How are you, sir, dude?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm doing doing good. I was the phone number starts
coming in and I was like, hey, coach, I gotta
I gotta go. I got another coach. And so you
got me out of a staffing discussion from from across
the country. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Okay, there you go, and look, you have joined us
over the years and you have always had very very
kind things to say about with high praise for wit.
And now he steps aside as the head coach. What
sort of perspective can you give our community as far
as just how good of a job he did here
as Utah's had football coach.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Well, I mean you you lost a top twenty graded
active head coach. I mean, those guys just don't grow
on trees. And look at the look at the turnover
of that industry, and how almost impossible it is to
have a ten year of well greater than ten years. So,
I mean he navigated the program out out of the
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group of five in the twelve, built it into what
it is today. There's not a whole lot of guys
in college football can that can say I am unequivocally
the man that built this football program from from basically
the ground up. So, uh, you know, you think about
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guys like that across the country. You know, b why
You's got Lavel Edwards. I mean the Duck's got Mike Bolotti,
Tom James at Washington. I mean you think about all
the number one guys Bill Snyder at Kansas State. You know,
you start putting into perspective of all these number one
guys of these top programs that are out there.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
He was.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
He's not just an amazing active head coach that that's
stepping down. It was a you know, a legendary guy
in college football.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
And you analyze a number of different, uh, you know
pieces when it comes to what makes college football coaches
either you know, a very success and you're also good
at pointing out the college football coaches that might be
a little bit over their skis what what can you
share about what you believe with secret Sauce was recruiting,
you know, defense or prowess, sexes and o's whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That sounds like, Dave, Why why was he so good
at his job?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Gosh, you know, there's so many intangible things. You know,
with all the head coaches I've worked with over the
last decade, plus, but really really good ones. They all
have little distin tangible stuff that that you really can't
account for. I would say number one though, is mentally
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the ability to be organized and focused and driven day
in and day out. There's so many people, especially now
with people getting fired, look at how much money to
make I should have been a head coach. Man. You
these are different, different animals. They are just wired differently,
everything that their genetics, you know, they're born with and
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how they're brought up, and it's almost inexplicable, and sometimes
you got to get a little lucky on the way,
you know. And I'd probably say the thing I point
to when you look at a lot of coaches that
have done it really really good for a long time,
is they are able to find and retain excellence better
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than most guys. And you know, so when I think
of Utah football, the first thing I think of is Whittingham.
But I also look at the staff and I go,
he's got a top ten defensive coordinator in Morgan Scally,
and he had him for a long long time relative
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to what most other coaches have in terms of coordinators.
So I think part of it is maybe one of
the intangibles. Besides those things I just mentioned is the
ability to build a culture and bring in coaches that
don't want to leave, you know, because you can leave
for more money in a lot of places, especially when
you're that good. I think probably one of the unsung
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things that people don't talk about that much is the
coaching continuity that he was able to manufacture at his
time in Utah.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So when it comes to your reference, Morgan Morgan Scalley,
who now will be the guy he slides over one
seat and your metrics have always indicated that he's also
elite at what he does. What sort of head coach
do you think Morgan Scalley's.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Going to make?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Dave no idea, Man, no idea. We can get hammered
right now and throw darts. It's the same same probability,
right because he's never done the head coaching thing before,
he can become one of the greatest head coaches in
college football. You know. But we've seen plenty of guys
that are elite at offense or defense fail at that.
Then vice versa. You know, there's guys that you know
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aren't good at what they've done, and somehow they look
at Kenny Dillingham had one good year in his entire
life with Oregon and Bonett, and somehow he parlayed it
into doing a great job at Arizona State. But by
the numbers, could we have seen that coming? No? No,
Now we'll let surprise us. If you talk to teams
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having great defense and he's a really really good defensive
head coach, no, it won't surprise us. But how well
he handles the offense and staffing and recruiting and nil
and so forth. Look, Kyle had a long run way
to figure all that stuff out, and I know Morgan
(05:32):
has been learning this side by side, But it's really
different for guys watching people put their feet in the
fire versus getting your feet put in the fire. Kind
of like that Mike Tyson. And everybody has a plan
until they get punched in the mouth. Oh, we're going
to find out what Morgan's all about when he gets
punched in the mouth. He's been doing this long enough,
but there's no guarantee of success or failure at this level.
(05:55):
We're just well, this is a blank slate. Baby, it's
not good, it's not bad. We're just as hopeful as
you band.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Do you have any and I may be catching you
off guard.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So there's probably a spreadsheet somewhere that you have where
you could dig this up. But when it comes to
the history of just moving coordinators into the head coach role,
you know, Ryan Day, you could come up with a
lot off the top of your head that have worked
and maybe some that haven't more or more often than not.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Is it the right move or is the data kind
of cloudy?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's pretty cloudy on that right. Next man Up always
scares me, man, it really does. But I think a
lot of it though, depends on how much influence Kyle
continues to have, you know, in that transition. Now, this
has been a long runway, so this isn't a surprise.
You know, he is suddenly retiring and oh my gosh,
(06:48):
now Morgan's up to bat. I mean this was probably
decided last year at the beginning of the season, who
knows when, so so emotionally there's been a preparation there.
But if you notice in recent years, next man Up
has been very, very successful when the guy that planned
it all out sticks around, right, Chip Kelly was nothing
(07:09):
without Mike Bloody. We didn't realize until Chip left and
tried to be a head coach somewhere else and go, wow,
he really sucks at this except for the x's and o's.
So Mike helped with the transition because he built that in.
Bob Stoops help with the transition, and Lincoln Riley you know,
and built that in. So this transition between Kyle and
Morgan has been going on for a while. It'll be
(07:30):
interesting to see going forward because everybody's talking about, well,
he's not retiring, he can still work out there. Yeah,
I've seen his contract. You can retire if you want to.
I know what the pay is going forward for the
rest of your life. So he can do whatever the
hell he wants to do. I would just love to
see him be a greater part or stick around in
that transition for the utes, but you know it's not necessary.
(07:55):
And again back to your question, if there's no rhyme
or reason and if it's going to be successful or
fail just because of the situation.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Let me ask you about Utah's offensive coordinator Jason Beck.
It's a new situation with one year of data at
least on the P four level in the Big twelve.
I mean, he had coached in other places, but we
talk a lot with you over the years about with
about Morgan and of course coach lud Andy Ludwig, who
is no longer here was leco last year. But what
(08:25):
does your data say about Jason Beck as far as
a play caller and offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I'd extend him right now if I could, Tom Morgan scale.
It is probably the first thing I do for continuity.
He's been really good, The offense has been solid. He's
done it at two places now, so that's portable, right.
This is an offense that works in two spots. It's
not just one that worked somewhere at one spot forever.
So we've got a portable offense, we have a rising
(08:51):
star in terms of offensive coordinator ability, and we're looking
for continuity here. So I think that I'm on a
surprised I haven't had more people in all the coaching
searches that I've been in around the country, there haven't
been a lot of reports requested for him, which has
really been a bit of a surprise for me because
(09:11):
I think there's a tremendous amount of upside and in
the Big twelve, like it or not, big teams can
poach your guys, right. There's just more money on the
other side if they want to do that. So I
like the hire when Kyle hired him, and I think
he's done a very very good job, and I think
it'd be very, very difficult to upgrade that position right
(09:34):
now given the current circumstance in college football.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So it's been an interesting day, Dave, because the Kyle
Whittingham news came down two minutes before we started the show.
We were expecting it at some point. The deadline for
him to inform the administration was last Friday, but nothing
became public until literally we cracked the mic. And this
is live radio, it's not a podcast. The light goes on,
(09:58):
you got to do the thing. So, you know, we
had Eric wedelon. We talked a lot about you know,
Kyle's legacy and said thank you and ultimately what it means.
And then as the Weddel interview was ending, Stuart Mandel
from The Athletic is reporting that Kyle is not retiring
and is interested in other coaching opportunities. So it's kind
of become this like fluid situation. And you know there's
(10:21):
a school in ann Arbord that's been in the news
that might need a head coach. Do you do you
think that there would be any interest there either with
Michigan calling Kyle or Kyle answering that phone call.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Okay, Okay, I'm gonna say this again for the million times. Okay,
not on the show, but this is just for everybody listening,
because I have been in dozens of head coaching searches,
and I've been in hundreds of staff builds. Okay, everybody
in the media throws s against the wall when it
(10:53):
comes down to the coaching carousel. There's no accountability. Anybody,
even Stuart Mandel can make anybody can make any anything
up for a click, and they do. Okay, ninety nine
percent of what you hear out there is made up.
It doesn't exist. It is just simply there to drive
people talking about it and get people to click. Now
(11:14):
there is one percent this is real, and that one
percent is driven by agents. Okay, The agents get stuff
out there. You ever wonder why somebody has a suddenly
of you know, why is John David Baker suddenly the
hot name out there when he's had one good year
in his career. Agents drive this stuf so at a
nine to one, And I can unequivocally say every search
(11:34):
I've ever been in Okay, head coach, coordinators, unit guys,
you name it. I'm working on seventeen right now, just
right now, this year alone. Okay, nothing has ever leaked,
Nothing other than agents putting stuff out there and people guessing,
nothing has ever leaked. So to your question about Kyle, yeah,
maybe he is. I take all of that with an
(11:56):
incredible grain assault. No matter who it comes from. It
could just simply be a dart throw just getting a reaction,
So that could happen. But let's just wait and see.
It doesn't change the trajectory of the youth program right now,
but I'll believe it when I see.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
It fair enough and more or less, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Mandel's a guy I've had on the show and seems
to be you know, well well sourced, and I have
been in contact with somebody who knows him and said
most of his contacts are agent. So maybe it is
Kyle's agent floating it out there to say, hey, my
guy's not done done. But let's let's move over into
the space of what you think is most likely with Kyle.
I mean, he has a very nice retirement package at
(12:40):
his disposal. Once he steps aside, He's quote a special advisor,
which means he's still being paid a lot of money
to stay as connected to the program as Morgan wants
him or as Mark wants him. And you referenced earlier
that the succession plan that has worked has included the
next man up, but also the guy was that was
there before kind of sticking around to help him, you know,
(13:00):
guide him into the next era of Utah football.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Do you think that's the most likely thing we're going
to see with Kyle?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I do. I do. And as far as Michigan goes,
you know, I see a lot of names floated out there.
I've heard that Michigan is a quote unquote nuclear right now,
a lot of issues going on to there. But that
doesn't seem to perturb a lot of head coaches because
Michigan is still a ginormous brand and the amount of
money to get paid to go there is huge, and
(13:27):
the talent is well, we know what the talent level is.
So I still go with best man available. I don't
think that's Jed Fish, a guy who's won less than
thirty percent of his road games as a head coach. Yeah,
not my guy, and so I would stick with me.
I'm sticking with the bigger names. I'm going Bram, I'm
(13:49):
going Lincoln Riley, and Brian Kelly. I think those are
the three names that you should look out for in
the process. If I had to pick one, Yeah, I
don't think I'll pick one. That's a pretty big job.
But I think those If you said, Dave, give me
three that you'd go after first and foremost, I think
(14:10):
it would be those guys.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I don't know what to ask you about shown more.
I mean, that was such a wild twenty four hours.
You know, we were on air when the news came
down that he had been fired, and then as I
was driving home, I get the alert on my phone
that he had been arrested. So, I mean, look, talk
about a generational fumbling.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Of the bag.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
You lose your job, you're not going to get any
of the money owed to you. And I don't know
his wife, but I would imagine she's not pumped about
this entire thing. But away from that, what sort of
coach was he And what's your reaction to just kind
of how that whole thing went down?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, you know, I mean as a person personally and
have known a lot of people, I think we've all
known a lot of people that as we get older,
because I ain't no spring Chicken anymore. What we know
of we've had, uh, But there's probably a lot of
people listening that just emotionally, there's missteps, there's breakdowns, it's inexplicable,
(15:11):
you know, triggers in our heads. So whatever drove him
to his emotional situation, that's rough, and I hope he uh,
he's better for it and can work his way through that.
But as a coach there was pretty average. There wasn't
anything special there. Offensively struggled on the offensive side of
(15:34):
the ball. Hiring that side, I think he lived a
lot off of Harbaugh's culture and the depth of the
defensive side. You know, he brought in wink market. Martin
Dale has done a pretty good job overall at Michigan
relative to the talent, But when it comes right down
to it, has he excelled the gifts that he was
(15:57):
given from a talent and schedule standpoint No? And I
think on the offensive side he struggled to find any
sort of rhythm there whatsoever. And I do feel that
since he took over, the program's been on a slow regression.
It makes me feel when you look at the numbers.
If I put Mark Helfrich Oregon and Schwunmore Michigan side
(16:18):
by side, is just coach A and Coach B, and
you watch the regressions of where it came from. They're
pretty similar in terms of their spiral down over the years.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Other piece of coaching news before I say you loose,
since you and I last spoke and when you and
I last spoke, Colonie Satake was flirting with Penn State,
but he decided to continue to live with his wife
of b YU a very healthy raise for Klonnie and
his assistance as a guy that knows the landscape. Your
thoughts on Colonnie say no to a very premier job
(16:51):
to stay with BYU?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, I don't think he's ever going. I don't think
he's ever going. It wasn't even if you'd asked me,
dab or you're worried about Colonie leaving for Penn State. Nope,
I'm just wondering what his raise is going to be
when they renew him. That's it. That's it there. There
wasn't even any I think once the president of Penn
State took over, it was all Matt Campbell and that
was it for a long time. So well, you know,
(17:15):
I'm glad Kline got the raise. I hope everybody did.
They've earned it. They've done a tremendous job. I mean,
if you look at the last twenty four regular season
games outside of Kurt Signetti, has anybody been more amazing
than Kline? Sataki, No not. I don't believe so. So,
you know, all very very deserving there. But I think
there was a little bit more drama. Remember what I
(17:36):
said about the ninety nine percent of the media driving clicks.
I think there's a lot more drama there than there
actually was.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Okay, fair enough, and you're the guy that would kind
of help us understand all this, Dave. So look, I
appreciate the time, have a great weekend, whatever you're doing, hunting, elk,
COCONUTI bulls.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's always good to be day bar two.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Take it, eat these fencer. Appreciate you.
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