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October 8, 2025 48 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As I often say when Trevor Riley is Vibeman Studio,
the off air conversation is far more entertaining than anything
we talk about on air.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Yeah, I want your trav.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, I'm on the fifteen today coming into the station,
and all of a sudden, my tire is going faster
than my car. You know that happens. So I was,
you know, stuck on the road for a couple hours.
But I'm here and life's good.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, you made it in studio, so we appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Have you ever thought about writing like a movie script
about your existence? You know, we could get you a
ghost writer, I could get the movie made. I've got connections.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I guess people brought it up. A lot of crazy
stuff's happened to me in these thirty seven years. For
whatever reason, a lot of crazy stuff happens. I take
risk and I do some wild stuff. But I mean,
not really anymore. Just wild things have been happening.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Dude. I've been in three accidents in the last year.
What's that about. Yeah, that sounds just like bad luck.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm not sure that's that just sounds like maybe one
of those scenarios where you're just running into some bad luck.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Low of averages. I had a good run for a while.
It's just come, you know, coming through now. But you know,
life is life is exciting when you when you take
chances of spence and you say yes to things. Yep,
weird and cool stuff happens.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I'm with you, and I've always just been fascinated by
just whatever's happening in your life day to day. It's
now we're gonna talk football, We're gonna talk college football.
We'll see what's going on with you right now. But
it just feels like never a dull moment with Trevor Riley.
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
You could say that I take on a lot of stuff,
you know. I try to squeeze every minute out of
every hour and do something productive. And I got a
couple of families I're working on right now. So just
a lot of stuff. And yeah, the Utes are here
and I got the Islanders and it's fun. I'm not complaining.
Life's good.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Trevor Riley, former Ute, longtime NFL players, live in studio.
I haven't talked to you since Texas Tech. Yeah, we
gotta start there. So Cody Campbell, as the story goes,
oil Tycoon dude who played at Tech. It was an
offensive lineman for Mike Leach. The Athletic did a really
good in depth piece. I was kind of curious to

(02:08):
learn more about him, learn more about this process, and
anecdotally the summer is he was watching Tech and realized,
we've got great quarterbacks, we have good skill position players,
we have high powered offensive attacks.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
We are getting stomped in the trenches. Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
So we are spending millions of dollars to rebuild our
offense in the defensive line. I still believe Utah's offensive
line is really really good, but Trev, they could not
keep those dns out of the backfield, and the Tech
talent popped. It just did it popped last week against Houston.
Tell me what you saw there? And are we just
now in a place where you simply have to keep

(02:45):
up economically?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
There was one play in that game when the quarterback
got hurt, and that wasn't the play, It was the
next player whenever they threw the next pass and the
backup was in and the backups better than the starter,
and I said, oh my goodness, we're in for a
long one. And you scale that to what they've done
depth wise, they have depth. Man, they got some guys
on the bench coming off with can ball, and when

(03:08):
you look at what they've done is just what you said.
They spent money on speed and length. Their ends aren't
that heavy, they're fast, they're long EAT's, they're athletes. Yeah,
and it wouldn't it be every coaches dream to go
get out, go out and get speed length that when
you have these meetings and recruiting, that's what you're looking for.
You're not looking for tough guys necessarily, You're looking for
guys who can run and have length, and Texas Tech

(03:30):
has a bunch of that, and it's expensive. Today Stanford
gets fifty million dollars okay from a ghost owner. There's
an article in USA today about wait a minute, how
is Colorado paying for one hundred million dollar budget? No
one's written anything down, where's the money? All these stories
are starting to come through. And what's happening is is
that if you have money. I heard it on the
TV the other day. If you look at the teams

(03:51):
who are spending the most money, sands maybe two or
three teams the top twenty five, they're doing well and
it's starting to shake out. Like baseball and you know
what I'm talking about with bottoms is on the bottom
and the top the rich Yankees and Dodgers get rich,
and the Oakland A's go to Vegas.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yep. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
And the difficulty is it And it doesn't just come
down to whether or not you have money, it's also
how you spend it. Because to your point, Texas and
Penn State with the number one and two teams to
start the season, they are both out of the top
twenty five.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
But you're a Utah alum.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
You do a lot with the Utah Alum Association with
the former players. And look, I've got to be careful
what I say because I don't want the athletic department
to call me and get mad at me about things,
because I have been told things that indicate we have
a long way to go before we're even at where
BYU is at. But I know that pisses the guys
up on the hill off when I say, so, what's

(04:47):
your understanding of where Utah football and Utah Athletics is
economically right now?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, start with our record. We're in good shape, okay.
We basically control our destiny. The way I look at
is if we went out we're in. If we go
one loss, I think we're still going to get into
this playoff. And so that that's one thing that means
that if you look at it from the outside, not
too bad. Right, Hey were we four and one five
one for and one? We got Arizona State at home.

(05:13):
It's really a two game season to me. So we'll
look at that and say, well, if you look at
it the way we're doing, we're putting draft picks out,
we got guys, we're spending some money. The issue we
have is the same issue we had before we got
in the Pack twelve, Pack ten.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
We don't have depth. I know that sounds crazy, So
it's relative to.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
What you're trying to be. We need to be two deep.
We got to be two deep all the way across.
And if you got guys playing both ways, that's usually
not the case. I mean, you might have one or
two guys that can do that. But we got four
or five because we don't have the depth, not because
we can't get it, because no, we don't have the money.
We can't afford it. I mean, those two tackles I
think are costing us close to three million dollars. You're

(05:49):
throw in the end, right Fano, that's another half a million,
So you're talking about basically three to four million dollars
for three or four guys who don't touch the ball.
Someone said, why are we spend? Well, what are you
gonna let them walk? You let them walk, and so
it becomes this conundrum where from top to bottom, what's
the plan? Who's funding it? Those are the two questions

(06:09):
I want, you know, anyone asking. They seem obvious, but
really think about that. What is our fiscal plan going forward?
Are we buyers or sellers? Who's paying for it? And
is it coming every year? I think Mark and his
staff are trying to put that together. But as we're seeing,
and I've said it before, this isn't a slide on
Mark or anyone over there. You're letting gym coaches and
non active lawyers run a hedge fund. And that's how

(06:33):
I see this thing is that if you're going to win,
you got to get organized fifty million from Stanford, Texas,
Texas Christian Kansas.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
They're all but those three Texas schools.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Texas Texas Christian first first, the first playoff they got in,
right the final, Where the heck did they come from
last year. Texas gets in and it looks like TeX's
going to make a run. And what we're seeing is
oil money. Oil money's making moves. And now you know
here the Saudi's are buying an EA Sports and you
know where's.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
This money coming from all these schools.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
My question you, Spence, is, as a guy who's covered
the sport for years, do you see parody coming or
do you see a continuance of the rich get richer
and the poor get poor.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well it's interesting because Lane Kiffin actually last week just
alluded to what you said about Utah, and he was
talking about like powerful SEC schools. He said, look, the
days of the dynasties are done. And his point was,
and look your point about Utah. I want to dig
into it in a moment. But he was talking about
like Bama and Georgia and SEC schools where once upon

(07:35):
a time Saban was like, oh wait, my dn got hurt.
It's fine, I've got three five stars behind him.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Loaded up, dude.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
And now those three five stars aren't going to sit
behind the starter because they're going to go take a
two million dollar check and transfer to old miss YEP.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
So the issues you're discussing with Utah.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
And it's interesting you say that we don't have the
depth that we used to, because I honestly did not
really feel like that was an issue for Win anymore.
It felt like we had built up depth and that's
why we were going to Rose Bulls and winning the
Pac twelve. But whether it's Utah or Bama or Georgia,
you are not able to keep the cupboard full because
a five or four star recruit that sitting behind another

(08:15):
five or four star recruit gets a phone call from
Ryan Day and says, oh, do you want to play
at Ohio State? I've got a four million dollar check
for And they're.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Gone, yep, so or yes.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I mean, look, that's look I've been my former producer, Brady.
Shout out Brady. Covid Casualty, not dead, just lost his job.
Shout out Brady. Every time I say Covid Casualty, I
feel like I'm alluding to him dying. He didn't die.
We decided to let him go. He sent me on
social media, and I'd forgotten. I said this five years ago,
five years ago. This show is now six just over

(08:49):
six years old. Five years ago when I started reading
the tea leaves and realized that nil was about to
become real. I said on this show, if you're a
BYU fan, this is great news. Absolutely, this will even
the playing field for you. The LDS Church understands the
power of the purse. That business school. Every year sees
four or five Utah County bros start businesses, some below board,

(09:12):
some above board, but all of them seem to be
very profitable. And they care about BYU athletics. And what
have we seen all the Utah County tech bros. The
love BYU football, love BYU basketball. They put their hats
on backwards where their joggers and their Jordans, and go
down to the ad and they write their check. And
that's what we're seeing at BYU. So I have legitimate

(09:33):
concern as to whether or not Utah will be able
to keep up with his trend.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I just think eventually it's going to be private hedge
fund of my I alluded to the Saudis, right, not
because the Saudis are gonna buy everybody, but they might shoot.
They bought golf. Gosh, dang it, they bought oh god,
I don't even know that was the thing. They bought
golf right. They bought women's tennis.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Gother tentacles in soccer and FFL, all of it.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
So I see private you know, and the conversations I've
had with both athletic department people and with football coaches
and with alumni, we need to get organized and get
ready for private equity. I'd like to see the players,
ex players, players really own the team. I know that
sounds a little bit weird, but not financially necessarily. But
the players ain't going nowhere. The ex players ain't going

(10:15):
towhear coaches and administrators they come and go. Who's really
in control of the team? Is it Donors? Yeah, of
course it's donors. Is it the school itself? I guess?
But then you start thinking who really runs the team?
It's the players, man, the players of who the fans
want to see. It's why we're having Nate Orchard in
the Hall of Fame, Ron McBride, this is what you know.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
We're running an organization here. So what's coming is either
two things.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
In my opinion, you're going to have complete parody with
a salary cap where the Feds are going to step in.
They're going to try to put it. You know, I
heard today, the NCAA Sean said on his show, d
NCAA has a tip line. Now you can call in
a snitch on each other. Like what that just started? Yeah,
so that's the thing. But you can see where this
is going. It's completely disorganized. And I say this always.
It's run by guys who ran AU basketball. They're in

(11:00):
charge right now of what goes on and they're the
king makers.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I hate that I'm about to say this because it
might be the ten thousandth time I've said this into
this microphone. There is so clearly only one avenue and
it's the only avenue that will save this thing from
really jumping the shark. Because to answer your question, until
there's regulation, we will not see the parody that people

(11:26):
are preaching, but it will be different. Teams that rise
to the top, and the teams that rise to the
top are simply the teams that have the most money.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
So if Bama has their collective in line to where
it needs to be, Bama will still be Bama. If
they don't, they're going to come back down to regression
of the mean. Saban left because he saw this, Okay,
he could not do the Saban thing anymore. You can't
stockpile five stars like Saban used to, Oh, my quarterback's
hurt one year he had Jalen hurts and Tua right,

(11:54):
there's no way you do that now because Till is like,
oh you're starting Jalen. Okay, I'm going to Florida buy
no doubt. Like you can't do what Saban did anymore.
The only avenue to solving this, the only solution. There's
one solution. There's one path, and that is the players unionize.
They collectively bargain with a governing body that's in charge

(12:16):
of the sport, and they come to an agreement where
a salary cap is in place and you cap spending.
You have to cap spending otherwise Cody Camp be like, wait,
there are no rules. I've got a billion dollars in
my bank account. Let's go buy.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Alignment thirty million. Man, That ain't no thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
So it look and I always get pushed back to
this where it's like, oh, there's red tape. With public institutions,
powerful lawyers would love to take this on and they
could figure it out. We've seen it in pro basketball,
We've seen it in pro football. We've seen it in
pro baseball, We've seen it on the professional level, and
it's time to say out loud that amateurism is dead.

(12:51):
And college football essentially is a professional sport that has
to move into a professional model.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
It just has to.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
And I agree one hundred percent with that. And high
school is becoming professionalized in Utah alone. Okay, if I'm
not mistaken BYU's hoard or a few players over here
they stashed them. You don't think there's some you know,
they're taking care of these people, and.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Not just by you. A lot of schools are.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
They're they're why not get ahead of it, dude, If
you can get a seventeen year old, why not, why
wouldn't you get them or pay them, put them on
put them on salary, stick them in a high school.
It's nearby, and so it's already scaling down. And where
we saw where we see this, and you know this
is in Europe. This this model is in the European
soccer model, as we saw European basketball model. But this
model already exists.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I will say this though, if they can get that
salary cap in how do you cap private spending?

Speaker 3 (13:42):
That that that's.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
The one issue that you're going to have if you
try to create a cap is how do you stop
guys from getting paid from boosters? Now you're back into
the same old game we were in twenty years ago.
You know what I'm saying, where you're you're hiding bags
of cash or something I don't know, or is it
something you shouldn't worry about that. That's the one thing
as I think about this, if you do have a CAP,
what's going to stop somebody from just saying, Okay, well,
I'm just going to sponsor you to come to my

(14:05):
car dealership.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Here's a million dollars or something.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
That's where the NIL initiatives have to have guidelines as well.
But you just alluded to a point that has to
be underscored. No matter what rules are in place, shady
people will find a way to circumvent them.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, they just will.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
You're dealing with a I can't say this enough. These
are aau basketball you watch the documentaries, go read this. Now,
they're running football. These are middlemen, these are sharks, these
are snakes. And so when you think about kids, right,
you're talking about seventeen to twenty three year old children
that are being run now you know, not to be crass,
but almost being pimped out in some ways. And they're

(14:42):
you know, transfer here, transfer there, forget your credits, and
we're getting to a point now, Spence, where school is
becoming almost how do you finish? If you transfer, you're
going to be at school for five six years due
to get a bachelor's Those credits don't transfer all the time.
I've seen a kid lose a year and a half
of school transfer it. And that happens at Colorado. Colorado

(15:02):
brought him into Corrod. There's an engineering degree, and all
of a sudden he's like, well, I can't do that anymore.
So then that story's told all over the place. And
to wrap this thing up, you know, as we're talking about,
just to put a bow on what I'm trying to
really say here is is if you're not organized and
you don't have money, you're going to lose. And that's
just the simple equation. There's no more backyard dig in
it where hey, we're just gonna go out there with

(15:22):
some guys and I'll tough everybody.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
This is pro football. That doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
And the Jets are still losing the toughest team in
the League every year they still lose.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, and the other dynamic you'll run into that. I
don't think there's ever any way to fully eliminate this
is you have a lot of these athletes, and you
coached a lot of these athletes. Jackson then Colorado where
you know, like the spot where Mike Vick and Alan

(15:51):
Iverson grew up, Newport News, Virginia.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Bad News Virginia is what they call it.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
If you watch the documentary documentary on either Vick or
Iverson and you see where they grew up, you're like, dude,
this feels like.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
A war zone. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
And so with a lot of these young kids growing
up in impoverished communities, there are going to be hangers
on around them, uncle's, friends of the family, even fathers
that see a cash cow that they see a ticket
out and then suddenly it's like, no, I've got your back.

(16:26):
Marcus dupree You remember that, You remember that story about
Marcus dupri How was quote unquote pastor was like, I've
got you and then basically took all of his money.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
So I've been to Marcus dupriest car dealership, have you Philadelphia, Mississippi?

Speaker 1 (16:38):
And I didn't know really about that story until the
doc came out, and this shady man of God, I'm
using air quotes that I got your back and took
all of his money to build his church. So you're
gonna like this young kid as Bailey who's playing for
the Jazz. His manager again more air quotes, was a
guy named Omar Cooper who couldn't count to twenty with

(16:59):
his shoes on and nearly botched the whole pre draft
process for the poor kid. Then Ace is getting criticized,
and it was never Ace's fault handler. It was this
faulty agent who didn't even have accreditation, was just trying
to put his hand in the pie so he could
get paid. So when it comes to the college football landscape,
you talked about high school players. If you're a father

(17:21):
of a dynamic freshman who's fourteen years old and you
are living in the projects and you can barely make
rent and barely put food on the table, and a
college coach calls you and says, I'm gonna venmo you
twenty k none of them are going to say no, Trevor.
All of them are going to say yes. And there
really is not any way to eliminate things like that happening.

(17:43):
But that's always kind of been the case, right, Like
I played aau basketball with a kid named roschmel Jones.
Rash played at Yukon, he played overseas, he was a pro,
won a national championship, and the stories he would tell
about bags of cash and Rash grew up in a
poor part of Norway, Connecticut, went to a really good
high school basketball school, but his family. I used to

(18:03):
pick him up and take him to practice. He didn't
have a car, and when I would drop him off
or pick him up, you're kind of feeling like, should
I be in this place as a white kid?

Speaker 3 (18:11):
From the kid, like I probably didn't know. I not
safe here.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
But every time a coach and I'm talking about some
of the heaviest hitters in college basketball coaching back then,
I'm not saying names in a microphone because you know
that's my guy. But he would talk about how they'd
be asked to go to dinner and then under the
table ten grand in a bag as it slipped to
his dad, and like, so that stuff has always happened.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Scale it You're.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Never gonna be You're never gonna be able to eliminate
all of that. But when it comes to what is
quote above board, the sooner we can get regulations in place,
the sooner this frivolous spending by the Cody Campbell's of
the world will not be allowed.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
And that's what's going to allow parody.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
But until then, Trevor Porter, please remind Trevor what the
golden rule is.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Here on the drive, we follow the golden rule. Oh,
he knows the rule. He's remind him. Man with the
gold makes the rule. The man with the gold makes
the rules.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
So until there's regulation, the biggest spenders will dominate the
sport period.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
And you look at what these schools are doing. Some
schools are backing the wild Wild West, right, some schools
are fighting, Hey what is this? And so you have
this weird thing going on where it's like, if I'm
a kid, I'm going to chase probably the highest bag
along with good coaching, good program, but the highest bag
is going to be in there. But then there's this
other thing you talked about the southern schools. Why would

(19:30):
you want to go live in Tuscaloosa when you can
live in Miami or Los Angeles?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Why do you think of it?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Why do you think Lebron left Cleveland trip? Everyone overthought that,
like he was nice, easy man.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
I'll tell you why. Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Lebron was born in Akron, He grew up in northeast Ohio.
He didn't go to college. He was drafted by the Caps,
so I guarantee. When he was eighteen and landed in Miami,
he went, wait, what this exists? I've spent my whole
life in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
People.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
If everyone's like, oh, he wanted to play with Dwayne Wade,
the allure of he like, no, he wanted.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
To live in South Beach in his twenties.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
It's the same. But but trev what we're talking about.
It's the same as the pros.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's yeah, Miami is the best team in the country
right now, allegedly. Okay, they're top three and Crystal Ball
has taken all that juice that he learned, you know,
from Oregon, and and they're down there and they're running shop.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I keep saying that UCLA jobs attractive. I think coach
wild should take it. Colinie takes it, that's fine. But
if a coach do they have a good season this year,
If I was coaching, I take that job.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Dude, you're Kyle, you'd leave Utah take UCLA.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I mean, come on, man, if you have a nice
season this year, we get in this playoff, right, I'd
be taking that LA job. And I'd say, Morgan, I'll
see on the field. And the reason why I say
that is that's the location, Spence. You and I have
been to west Wood. You know, he's his recruit there.
If you got some money, who who just want to
live in Westwood?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
I think it's wild. U s LA is an awesome
in every sport. I've always said it.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
You're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
And so when you start thinking about what is going
to happen in college football, let's talk about Utah specific.
We got to decide are we buyers or sellers? As
an institution? What are we in that? It's about money? Spence, Okay,
your family's been involved with pro sports for what twenty
thirty years?

Speaker 3 (21:12):
You're approaching forty now, So forty years.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I would say that that rule that you said in
the station you probably learned from working in pro sports, correct,
and so that scales to college football. Now we have
to live by that rule. He who has the gold
makes the rules, and we need to get some gosh
dang gold and whatever that means.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
But we got to get more gold. And that's the
issue porter we came up with.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Was it beef money or we came up with some
potential revenue streams that U taught football could tap into.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Was it beef money?

Speaker 1 (21:43):
And then there was some sort of sprout or something
that's valuable in Utah that you were referencing.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
We did. We talked a little a little agriculture. Utah
State has maybe that a little corner.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
A little beef, little beef money up and logan they
might they might have the market. There was it alfalfa
Welfalfa's huge, Okay, maybe we can I.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Have alfalfa field. There's no money in it. We break
we break even every year. Okay, we use it for
the green bell tax. There's no money in it unless
you're massively scaling it. And they subsidized Pharmer and so yeah,
you gotta you gotta have those contracts and send it
to China.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
We need tech money, Okay, we need tech money right now.
Tech is running the world. The stock prices they have,
they have cash, Saudi's have cash, and as we're seeing
with BYU I'm so we're simplifying here, but you get
the point where we need that type of money, right,
whatever it comes from, we need money. That's like, ain't
no thing money it is whatever. You're thirty million, I
had whatever. We fifty million to Stanford today fifty Yeah,

(22:35):
we can't scale and send to China. They're tariffs China.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
China's now getting soy beans from Argentina, so that's not
an option.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Unfortunately that's true. But who is Utah's Cody Campbell? Right?
Who is Utahs Ryan Smith?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Who is Utah's Kana just got a two hundred and
fifty million dollar check Stanford fifty mili today?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Who can who is it? Well?

Speaker 2 (22:54):
The Garfs they really held to sin together for a
couple of years. They'll give them credit. The last couple
of years. They they really held it together. But they
got sick in that winning. You know, they say, hey,
we're putting out, you know, eight to ten million dollars
and we're not getting a return on the investment. Now
that happens, okay, So I'm not blaming anybody, but we
had kind of a thing going there. I think you

(23:15):
and I both know we've bled the Echos family the
Rice family. We bled some of these families for Huntsman's.
Every building there is named after one of these four families.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
So I guess the answer.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
We we probably need to get stopped spending money on facilities,
and they should probably stop donating to the Crimson Club.
They need to donate to whoever's paying these players. We
need to reallocate funds to the salary cap or you
know whatever we're calling it, you know, the salary pool.
That's a that's a solution. Let's cut the funding to
the facilities and the red tape machine. I go on

(23:49):
the fifth floor at the Huntsman Center. People who are
over there run, cut their money and give it to
the players. Will win more game. That's a simple equation, dude,
Just cut the money, transfer it, move it over.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Can we get a portion of the budget to upgrade
the concessions of the Huntsman Center?

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Like, yeah, man, it's only been thirty years in the making,
but whatever. Like hot dog and nachos and maybe a
warm diet coke.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
That's what you given. You go to the Crimson Club
to give you a boiled winger and some cheese.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Man, Can we improve the customer consumer experience?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Do you know why they're doing that? Because, to Chris's credit,
they got to keep the money on the field. We
don't have every dollar counts at this point. Yeah, all
I'm saying is a strategy. I take all of it,
and I say all of it, I mean about ninety
percent of it, all of it, and slide it over
to basketball and football and buy these players.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Well, and the other reality is, you know the days
of and I want your thoughts on this. I think
the days of like Morgan's Galley has been a Utah
Man since the day he was born, yep, and he
talks about how he was always going to be a ute.
He's the ultimate Utah Man. He was an unbelievable running

(24:57):
back at Highland High was recruited all over the country
and said, no, I grew up in the backyard families.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
They're all utes, some of you. Okay, So I want
to be a ute. He's a loyal gang member.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
But I think those days, Trevor are probably over, you know,
the days of like I want the BYU experience, and
I know the messaging out of Provo has suddenly like
no Aj Debonsa has really embraced Provo and loves them.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Shut up.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
It paid them seven million dollars for five months of basketball.
So stop stop this stuff about the culture and the
experience like the days of wanting the LSU experience, the
Utah experience, the Ohio State experience, the BYU experience. Has
a football or a basketball player, they're over. Yeah, you
have to pay these players, period, end of story. And

(25:45):
does it help it to your point, if you have
good coaches, yes, does it help if you have a
program that has a track record of sending guys to
the pros, yes, all that other stuff helps, But you
have to start with the bottom line, and the bottom
line is what's what kind of check can you write?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
The Utah Islanders were five and one. We just beat
Air Force Prep. We didn't have a team four months
ago or whatever four and a half months ago, and
we're winning.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I'm bringing this up for a reason. We're beating all
these teams that have programs, they have broadcast teams, they
have coaching staffs. We don't even have headsets some of
the games. Right, we had two coaches on the defensive
staff last week. Now, I say that because to your
point earlier, if it's all the money is all the same.
The coaching matters one hundred percent, dude, Yeah, definitely. And
when you get to the NFL, coaching matters a little bit.

(26:32):
But you better believe the best players win in the NFL.
H And as I'm coming to a point here, what
happened with the Islanders is we can match up better
against these small teams. We got a bunch of guys
from Salt Lake City, we got polonies. We're out manning
people because it's a matchup situation for us. We're not
out scheming people. We're just bullying people. Scale forward out
of Utah. Utah bullied people for years. The last six

(26:52):
years we've you know the exception two, we've been thrashing people. Well,
now people are catching up, right because you're teams are
I would say, there's bet there's there's only a few
great teams now. There used to be a lot of
good teams, man, but now it's kind of consolid you
get what I'm saying, it's consolidating down. The talent is
getting into small it's smaller pools now that people are

(27:14):
following the money spence. And when you see that happening,
you have to decide as an organization are we going
I'm gonna say it again, are we buying or selling?
Because at the end of the day, all this stuff
about this and that it's a matchup league. Now you
said pro sports. The biggest diferference in the NBA and
college in NFL and NCAA is matchups. You're not running

(27:34):
the motion offense in the NBA, you're running pick and roll.
In the NFL, you're throwing fade balls. You're throwing bombs. Dude,
you're running io and throwing bombs because we're gonna just
we're gonna out match up.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
So as an.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Organization, that has to be a new thing. I think
Kyle's doing. That's why you're seeing guys playing both ways.
He's like, dude, we got to get our best players
on the field. Yeah, And that's why I bring up depth.
We shouldn't have to have four or five guys playing
both ways. I like it, but at our level and
where we've been, shouldn't be an issue. Who do you blame?
I blame the money. We don't have the money to
provide the depth. We're spending a lot of money on

(28:04):
guys who don't touch the ball because that's what we got.
Linemen then you get into a situation where you got
to score spence, what happens. It's tough, man, we need
to bridge the gap. So money money, money, money, money, money.
OJ's right, money, money, money. Unfortunate, But it's evil to
even hear myself say that. But that's what the game
is now, it's post in the NFL. That's what it is,

(28:25):
and that's what we are.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Well, it sounds evil based off of how we've all
been conditioned to view this sport, because what the NCAA
did is they paid lobbyists a ton of money to
put terms in our head that we started to believe,
like the term amateurism.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
It is a farce.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
It was created for the nc DOUBLEA to avoid paying
labor tax. But then in all of our minds we're like, oh, yes,
these are amateurs. They're playing for the purity of the sport,
when the powerful legislators that run the sport are making
millions of dollars behind closed and we're all talking like
we're idiots because that's how we've been taught to talk
and cover this sport. Now, this is no longer a

(29:07):
business that can build a business on the backs of employees.
They can't pay, which is a good thing, period, but
the failure of NCAA leadership. As I've said a million
if I've said it once, I've said it a million times.
Ed O'Bannon filed his lawsuit in two thousand and eight.
You had a sixteen year runway, dude, to prepare for this.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
We all saw, we all suck.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I remember the day that that lawsuit was filed and
I read it. I was like, this is the beginning.
This is the beginning. I had been in media for
like three years. I'm like, this is the beginning of
athletes waking up.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
And realizing for years and years.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
And it started with ed obannon sitting on a couch
playing a video game with his friends and said, you're
playing with UCLA. You're best player's number thirty one. Man,
he looks a lot like you. How much did you
pay for this game? And then whatever it was in
two thousand eight, thirty nine to ninety nine or whatever,
Ed O'Bannon said, okay, I should see some of that money. Yep,

(30:06):
filed his lawsuit and then Trevor he won the lawsuit,
and anybody that was paying attention said, you better prepare
for the onslaught that's going to come now. I didn't
think it would take fourteen fifteen years, but it did.
And because of the inaction of the leaders in college sports,
the Mark Emerts of the world in the NCAA leadership,

(30:27):
because they sat on their damn hands, we are still
dealing with the collateral damage of not being prepared.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
For what the reality is now.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
And now we're really trying to put toothpaste back into
a tube and it's just tough to do.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
It's hard to do that.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I just have always said this, Jim, teachers and lawyers
are running this thing, okay, and not active lawyers. These
are lawyers who went to law school, but they chose
to do other things. And these are gym teachers. At
the end of the day, coaches are what Spence, they teach, Jim.
And so when you're asking all these people who are
not really businessmen, these are I wouldn't call them filand

(31:01):
these are these are these are civic workers, okay, the
first until two thousand and eight or seven, Most of
the coaches besides the head coach and most of the
staff members and the athletic these are not people making
a lot of money. Spence, would you agree with that,
what what was the head football coach making in two thousand,
maybe four hundred thousand here, three hundred thousand, something along

(31:22):
those lines. You sell fastest scales, Now, yeah, you got
guys making ten million a year. And to your point,
they left the players behind, and now the players are
leaving the coaches bind. There is reports of coaches putting
their own salaries into an i opool. Really yes, uh,
and you start thinking about crazy that sounds. Man, They're
paying these coaches seventy I'll throw four million dollars in.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Well, they're probably doing it because they realize if they
don't win, they won't keep their job.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
That's the biggest issue. How are we going to recruit players?
We ain't got no money. It's a simple equation. Whoever
has the gold makes the rules. So this is an
imperfect exercise. But because data isn't necessarily readily available, we'll
do our best here and then we will catch a break.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
We have misbehaved with the clock.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Matt Brown, who he had on Last Hour, is an
editor of Extra Points, a college football newsletter. The does
a really good job of making the convoluted language in
the modern day of college football digestible for folks that
don't have a lot of degree.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Right, he does a good job with that.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
The twenty twenty four operating budgets in college football. Now,
the reason this is not a perfect exercise or a
parallel is this is not what you pay for players,
but this is what your budget is to operate, So
what you pay your coaches, your administrators, what you spend
on facilities. Bama is one A and M two, Ohio
State three, Michigan for Georgia five, Texas six, you know,

(32:46):
and look Florida State, Auburn, Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
These are the schools that are on the.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
List as far as what they're are willing to spend
on their football program. And there's almost a straight line
into the AP top ten or fifteen where most of
these schools exist. Imagine if we actually had data readily
available on the highest spenders on rosters. Texas Tech would
be on this list, but so would Bama, so at
Ohio State, so would Clemson, and look, Clemson hasn't been

(33:12):
great this year, so it's not a perfect parallel, but
you get the point.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
They're doing the opposite. Though. That guy's fought in il
and is biting him in the butt. That's yeah, that's correct. Yeah,
that guy has said from the beginning, I'm not interested
in this. We're not doing this at Clemson. How's that
working out?

Speaker 1 (33:27):
No, he sat into a microphone. My Lord and Savior
is my transfer Portal's dude, I love Jesus as much
as anybody else.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
But you know you got to you gotta pay the.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Player that's a little blasphemist to it to bring him in.
The point being, it isn't gonna work. Okay, it's idealistic.
It sounds good, it's a good sound by it plays
well in some rooms. But when you start talking logic
and you start talking humanity, who the hell is going
to sign up for that?

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Man?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
How many sixteen year old players are gonna be like,
I want to play for Dabo because he loves God.
I mean respect. I'm not trying to be blasphemous. I'm
saying like, you're right, you know you're you're selling point.
It has to be different than that. Let's see, you
know what, let's catch a break, uh, because we have
misbehav with a clock. I just think it's interesting and
consider where we're at the landscape, the failure of people

(34:11):
to prepare, and now everybody's trying to pick up the pieces.
I actually final thing, I'll get your thoughts will catch
a break. I feel bad for administrators that have to
wade their way through this mess and coaches that have
to try to figure out.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I don't know how you build a program if you
do not have cash.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
That's why every time a college coach is asked to
speak at like a chamber of Commerce or around town,
they all say the same thing. We need your support, yep,
financially and what you're asking of donors and boosters. Now
it's no longer hey, buy season tickets. It's no longer
like hey, buy our merch It's no longer join the
Crimson Club.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
It's like, no, we need you to go above and beyond.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
And if you have the means and you care about
a football program, you gotta do it if you want
your team to keep.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Up to your point. I'll give you one story. When
I was at Colorado, we even explored meeting with the
city council. Okay multiple times in the Chamber of Commerce
because we you know, and this isn't a bad idea
for Utah. They may have already done this. Think of
how much money a home game brings into the city
of Salt Lake. I mean, I don't know what the
number is, but I assume you bring in fifty thousand
people or whatever. Then we see you're bringing people out

(35:13):
of town and everybody's in town for a whole day.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
You have a night game, they're spending all day in
Salt Lake. Dude, restaurants, they're going all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
So what is that up to? Either that's one way.
Another thing. I'd like to see this and we'll catch
a break after this.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
I'm sorry, now you're going.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I'd like to see crowd funding, okay, where if you
can put in you get a return. Sure if you win,
If there's a way to set that up, you know,
whoever invest in this, if we win certain amount of
games or we know, whatever the bottom line is.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
You get a piece of that. Yeah, little ROI huh.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I just think that ownership there's no barriers entry spence
you get you've been in ownership groups. There's no barriers
entry here. If you have cash, you can own yep,
and so you should be able to get a return
on that.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
The Trevor Riley effect is every time he's in the studio,
I get a lot of attacks, a lot of feedback
about what we've discussed, so we just did it out.
Thirty five minutes on the landscape of college football. All right, trev,
this is a big game coming up on Saturday, so
we should discuss it.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Let me just start with this.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
I don't think two conference losses kills you entirely, but
it might. Right, this is a big one Saturday night.
It feels like a little more consequential.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
The most weeks I ESPN did a little prediction thing
like who's going to make the playoff by conference? And
I think they had six SEC teams making it and
they had one Big twelve team. Whoever the champion was.
I think they picked Texas the texasttack.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
But my theory is is that if the Big Twelve
doesn't cannibalize itself as much as it did last year
and the year before, if there's two teams with one
or two losses, or maybe tex undefeated or somebody is,
that should be enough to get into my opinion, if
you lose the Big Twal championship game and you have
two losses.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Should be good.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Now, if you lose the Bivigtoll champions get me have
three losses, Spence, it seems a little far fetched from
our conference. With that being said, we're in complete control
of our destiny this week. I think this is the
most underrated coach in the country. And I say that
because he's not really that not unknown, and he just
made the playoff last year. But this guy came out
of nowhere and took a team who was They were

(37:21):
really you remember how bad those Firm Edwards Arizona State teams.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Were, and yeah, the program was left for deebt because
they had all to do, like sanctions put on them too.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
And he pulled them out of the depths of hell
and put them on the stage with a couple guys
from Sacramento State and that quarterback was from Wake Forest
or something, And so I got a lot of.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Respect for this guy.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Went up against him on special teams and their punter
went down and told this story before. This guy had
us guessing whether or not they were going to go
for it on four down, Spence, and they had us guessing.
And so I respect this guy, and we look into
this game. Are we going to be able to control
the line of scrimmage? We talked about that with Texas
Tech that was an issue. Can we control the line
of scrimmage and can our offense support our defense because
our defense right now is played in historic spence. Even

(38:01):
with the loss against Tech, I don't think we've given
up more than about seven or eight trips into the
red zone. I think the whole season, man, it's been
an incredible year defensively so far. Got a little banged
up here, but we got to control the trenches and
we have to find ways to make plays down the
field on offense. I know that sounds like a redundant point,
but spend how many years have been watching this team.
We've been saying this, are we going to get the

(38:21):
ball down the field? And that's gonna be the thing
that makes it against a good team, man, you gotta
make we talk matchup league man, you got to make
those plays. Do we have the guys to do? I
think we do. I believe in us. I think we're
trending upwards.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Have you seen enough so the difficulty and this isn't
just a Utah thing. And you know, sometimes I don't
love the whole like, well, they haven't played anybody.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
You can only play who's in front of you.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
And it's not Utah's fault that Ucla, even though UCLA
just smoke Penn State, Nico iam Al Java finally looked
like the quarterback he did in Tennessee. They were not
prepared to play Utah. They look like they and I
still don't think they're very good. But the same goes
for BYU. It's not BYU's fall. That Stanford is in
this like pivot with Andrew Lucknow and Frank Reich, who's

(39:07):
a one year guy. So sometimes it's not fair to
just hone in on the lack of quality opponent. However,
Devon's been really good in four games. The four games
Utah's won the one team that showed up here with
a really good defense, and I know that as the
story goes, Devon was going through a little bit of
an ankle issue.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
He just didn't look the same.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Do you feel like you've seen enough in the four
performances where he looked really good to believe he can
at least do that when the competition improves, namely starting
on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
No, and I say that with all due respect to
him in his game, but he did this in the
Mountain West last year and the year before, and this
is a guy who is playing Mountain West. He Mountain
West level talented teams, or at least they're the way
they're playing. Wyoming, UCLA, Al Paul, al Paully, and West Virginia.

(40:00):
Those are four teams that may not win the Mountain
West this year. Yeah, UNLV probably beat all of the UNLV.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Did be Ucla? I think didn't they? They did?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, So we played a Mountain West schedule, not because
we chose it, just that's how it shook out this year.
So no, I got to see a little bit more
against that matchup defense that they're going to see this week,
and that coach gon't have something for us. But I
believe in this kid. I think that he has poise.
I think that he has great pocket presence, great leadership.
He doesn't turn the ball over a lot. So I

(40:28):
think we're going to trend upwards. I think, and I
believe that our best days ahead of us for the season.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
You referenced the lack of big chunk plays.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
I suppose if we wanted to be Utah apologists, we
could say they haven't needed them when it comes to
the games that they've won because they've smoked the bad
teams they've played, and then Tax attack, you know, really
didn't allow for that because their defense is much improved
and better. And it's also fair to say that that
Tex Attack Utah game was a rock fight for three quarters,

(40:57):
three and a half quarters before the backup kid came
in really decimated Utah secondary, which doesn't happen much. But
what do you attribute the lack of big chunk plays to.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Most, Well, we got to get some guys to show up.
Eighteen has got to start showing up. Man eighteen got
the size, got the speed I think eighty one's, and
we moved the receiver. He's contributed a little bit. Jackson
Benny went down last week or two weeks ago. We
got to see more out of two. I mean too
had some great plays the first game of the season, right,

(41:30):
I don't know those Spence. It's hard to say all
this stuff because we haven't played a great team yet
besides Tech, and that was a rock fight, and we
didn't look too good on offense. I don't attribute that
to anything more than just a bad game. But I
got to tell you, I got to see more guys
making plays down the field. How and why, I mean,
I don't know spence. You just run straight and you
catch the ball. Usually that's usually how it goes. The

(41:50):
guy covers you and you go down the field and
you jump up and you catch the dang ball.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Not all that complicated to me. It's not all right.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
If you get the matchup, you throw it and it's
there and you take it and you catch it. So
I don't know whose fault it is, but we got
to see a little bit more of catching the ball
down the field.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
As a guy that made his living tackling people with
his face, how do you improve tackling? Because because Wit
himself has been like, we're missing too many tackles and
that was going to be a point of emphasis this week.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
How is that coaching? Is it is? How do you
do that? How do you coach up misstackling?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
You got to tackle in practice and then there that's
the scale, that's the risk you take, right, what if
you lose two guys?

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Do it?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Just it's so devastating when you lose a guy in
practice and they're trying something different. This year coach w
I think he came out and said it. We didn't
do a whole lot of hitting during during camp. Right,
he said that we didn't go live very much live
meaning tackled to the ground. Tackling is one of those
things like riding a bike, right, you should be able
to get back on, but sometimes it's not that way
because you said you got to use your face, and

(42:49):
it's an attitude.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
And you know, I remember why.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
It took about six months off and I uh just
got done playing in twenty eighteen. We ran out of
players in the end of the season on the point
to help us practice. So I was an undergrad. I
pad it up. Then I went out in practice two
days a week, okay, and I gotta tell you I
was pretty sore, all right. You forget how much that hurts.

(43:15):
And so when you start scaling that you have guys
playing both ways on defense, and they're also not practicing
a lot during the week. If they're playing both ways
in the game, you know that spence, you can't burn
the candle on both ends. So it becomes this weird
thing where you got to practice, but you can't practice
too much. And then when you do practice, do you
really want to spend the time tackling? Do you want

(43:37):
to risk losing a guy who goes both ways? And
so it's hard man. I would say, at the end
of the day, you just have to get better at it.
You have to just watch tape and they have these
donuts you can tackle on bags and stuff. But it's
hard man. We need more debt, we need more depth.
If we have more depth, I think we would tackle more.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
That's actually what I wanted to ask you.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Do you think, because look, if you believe that Utah
football does not have enough depth, I guarantee the coaches
feel that way. They're not going to say it out loud.
They're not going to come on my show and say
that out loud. But if Trevor Riley believes you taught
football doesn't have depth, then I'm sure Kyle Whitningham believes
that too. Do you think lack of live physical practice
is coach with acknowledging like we're thinning.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
We cannot lose guys. We have to keep them healthy. Well,
I know we're thinking because we've got four guys going
both ways.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I can see it on the field, right We got
guys who are at bona Fide, probably NFL players. They're
going both ways. And I don't blame anybody. You can't
blame anybody. We just don't have the players right now
because they leave or you can't afford them. I would
say this, so that quarterback's got to put it on
his shoulders now you talked about him. When you have
issues like that, one guy can win your football games.
That's why people love football. One guy can go out

(44:41):
there and have a great week, and you can. If
quarterbacks having a good week, you got a great shot
to win, Spence. And conversely, when he's not playing well
or he's playing average, you usually lose. Yeah, not very
often do you win when your quarterback doesn't play well,
for sure.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I mean I think in the past you taught football
has been able to do that here or there with
maybe lack of top tier play at that position. But
you know, we saw the collateral damage when Cameron went down.
What that looked like when they had to play hell
four quarterbacks, even my guy, the Ferrari, Luke Patari, you
know our guy even got in last thing here, trave
Then I'll set you loose, thanks for the time. As always, today,

(45:17):
the UCLA job is open, the Stanford job is open.
I think there's a chance Florida opens with Billy Napier,
although he may have saved his job last week. Penn
State might move on from James Franklin. I don't think
Texas is getting rid of Sark. But if they just
continue to go in the wrong like there will be
five or six massive college football coaching jobs open this offseason.

(45:41):
That's my guess. At what point does Morgan go? When
is my time? I'd do it now, Okay, And that's me,
you know, teach them.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Morgan has his own plan, has his own thing, and
I'm not going to judge him for anything.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, the ultimate you taught man, as we've talked about,
no doubt. But I gotta tell this right now.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
If there's a job in La Okay, or a job
in Jacksonville, Florida, or Happy Valley. They got money, man,
and they got some money now. I mean they played
their quarterback big time UCLA and it sounds like they're
getting a little organized over it. They're sick of getting
pushed around. I'd leave now, dude. Either one of those
coaches I say coach with I'd leave in a high note.

(46:19):
Go make the playoff this year, then go out of
town do and go take another job.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Not because we want to run a manager. I just
that's what I would do.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
I would, I would, I would Coach, isn't waiting night,
No problem here, you can have this, Morgan here, take this.
I'm gonna go take this bigger bag over here in
La and then I'm gonna whoop you. And so I'd
like to see that one of those two guys, or
Swan or maybe the OC. I've heard the OC's up
for if we keep doing well. He quarterback coaches who win,
and those guys are valuable. Man, They're all over the NFL. Look,

(46:48):
I mean, they're winning. I'd leave now, though. To answer
your question, I'd leave right now. When the seasons are.
I'd get out of town. One of those three guys
should be getting out of town taking one of them jobs.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Wouldn't you come on in your own show in La?
Are you kidding me? Look?

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Man, I think you know me well enough to know
that I would do the same thing that you're alluding to.
It's an interesting thing to consider, though. It just feels
like Kyle is comfortable here, loves it here. Morgan comfortable here,
loved it here, loves it here.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Hey, Soli country clubs nice, but I like Riviera.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Hey. I'm just saying, dude, Okay, here in December January.
I'm cool with that, you know this.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I've come from a line where my father said, Okay,
I've done the thing in the Salt Lake, and I
want to go see if I can do the thing
in New York.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
And he did the thing in New York, right, which
changed the scope of all of our lives, and it
changed the scope of his career. He took a risk
and it paid off for him. Now, the problem with
taking a risk is it can go the other way, right,
and coaches are hired to be fired.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
And Kyle has tremendous security here.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
He has probably earned the right to coach until he
decides he doesn't want to. And that sort of security
does not exist anywhere else. So yes, if I put
my mindset, body, and approach into Kyle Whittingham's body, then
yes I would go. But I'm not him, right, so
I'm just wondering if that's something he would ever even consider.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
I just believe in the Kyle Whittingham way. He trained me,
and he trained a lot of us yep, And I
think he gets this thing. He understands what it takes.
His dad was an NFL. Everybody forget this guy grew
up in an NFL locker room. Yeah, his dad was
an NFL coach for the Raiders in the RAM he
played in the league. He understands what's going on. He
just I'm gonna say it again. We need more gold.

(48:33):
We need more gold.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Man.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
If we get some more gold, right, everything's good. Last
thing I'll say about coach Wit he should take that
job one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
All right, man, Well, look like.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
I said, I cannot disagree, but neither of us are Kyle,
So we'll see how it plays out.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Great to see you. You're gonna be at the game
doing some radio, right, I'll be with Porter on Saturday
doing pregame. I'm gonna roll up, so I'll see you there.
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