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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, let's get a drivetime Wednesday afternoon, about.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Ten minutes past the hour of two o'clock.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Beautiful day, gorgeous fall day, October day, October Wednesday, about
seventy degrees in sunny here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah.
And as it is every single day, it's good to
have you along for the Riots Bence check.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
It's beyond the mic.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
That's Port of Larsenia and the Glass producing the program today.
Happy Wednesday to you, halfway through that work week, one
day closer to the weekend, and one day closer to football.
NFL Gardy Week six man Thursday Night Football that, of
course you can hear on our radio station after we
say good night. Tomorrow, WI feature the Eagles coming off
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their first loss of the season to the Broncos, against
Jackson Dart and the New York Giants Atventlife Stadium in
East Rutherford. Unfortunately, a lot of injury news continues to
kind of spill in. I don't even know who's gonna
play quarterback for the Niners this weekend. Rock Perty did
not participate in practice today and Mac Jones was a
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limited participant in practice today. Joe Flacco is your new
starting quarterback in Cincinnati, Jake Browning goes to the bench.
Joe Burrow of course out for the majority of the season.
So keep you up to date and in the loop
on all the pro football news that comes our way
as we're on air today for the next four hours.
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Obviously a big week on the station, Big week for
the Utes, big week in the Big twelve overall. University
of Utah back at it after a bye week against
Arizona State. The line continues to be Utah minus five
point five.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Open up.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Utah minus four point five went up to the Utes
and it has remained there. We will preview that game
today with a great guest list and get you ready
for a big Saturday night at risecl Stadium eight fifteen kicktime.
Pregame coverage will begin at four fifteen with that guy
with Porta Larson and Trevor Riley who was on the
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show today, among other guests that will tell you about
in a moment BYU hits the road for what can
be a sneaky, tough road trip to take on Arizona YU.
A slight favorite, Brigham Young has passed every test that
has been placed in front of them, so far this year,
and they're undefeated currently at the number eighteen team in
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the country five and zero for the second straight year
and I think the fourth time under Clowne if I
remember correctly, in his decade tenure down in Provo. So
two really big games this weekend concerning local teams. Utah
States will be headed to Hawaii for a late kick
on Saturday night. Utah State, coming off of bye last week,
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they've played I would say better than most expected year
one under Bronco menden Hall. Bryson Barnes was banged up
a week ago, so hopefully he's good to go. Our
former buddy down here quarterback for Utah State, he's played
really well. So all three of our local teams in action.
A bunch of big time Big twelve games with massive
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conference implications that we'll get into.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
On the program today.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
A bunch of really good national college football battles as well.
We have the Red River rivalry, one of the best
college football rivalries in the country as Oklahoma and Texas,
but they're a slight favorite to beat Oklahoma, who is undefeated.
John Thetteers questionable for that game, so we'll kind of
get into some of the big picture of college football storylines.
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Big one up in Outson, Indiana, Oregon. Two undefeated Big
Ten teams, and in the landscape of the Big twelve,
a lot of big matchup Kansas, we'll take on Texas Tech,
Iowa State after their first loss, goes to folsom Field
and Boulder. So big weekend ahead in college football. We'll
kind of dig into some of the storylines and gets
you ready for the Big twelve stuff, the local stuff,
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and then the national landscape as well. Chris Mannix once
upon a time a member I believe one of the
original members of the NBA Daily Assists that I started
man like sixteen years ago, different station, different place. We're
about to bring back the NBA Daily Assist. Once we
finalize our lineup, we'll let you know who you can
expect to hear every day to talk Jazz and talk NBA.
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Chris Mannix reporting the Jazz are actively discussing trading lowry marketing.
He is not the first to report this, nor will
he be the last. I have some thoughts on this. Well,
you probably know my thoughts. If you've listened to the
NBA coverage we do. You should have traded him when
his value was at the all time high after making
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the All Star team. This has just been a very
clunky rebuild. But this is year one with Austin Ainge
as your primary decision maker, so certainly leave some space
for him to do a better job, quite frankly than
maybe even his dad did. Who's one of the best
NBA executives of all time. So some NBA storylines as
we get ready for NBA basketball. The Jazz actually played tonight.
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There's a Jazz basketball game tonight. They are taking on
the Houston Rockets. The Rockets revamped a little bit in
the offseason, brought in Kevin Durant. I'm sure most of
the well Jazz don't really have any good players, but
mostly the good players won't play for either team.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Look at the injury report.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Let you know who you can expect to see tonight
as the Jazz begin their pre season journey before October
twenty second, when the season actually gets going. Right around
the corner, Utah Mammoth taking on Colorado tomorrow. We're gonna
talk some hockey on the show today. We're about to
launch in a more consistent hockey coverage on the program,
and of course, Major League Baseball playoffs rolling along. The
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Yankees have a poultse Aaron Judge changing the narrative. Three
run home run last night helped the Yankees extend the
series with the Blue Jays, but they are far from
out of the woods.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
They got to win two more games if they want
to advance.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
The Mariners lead the Tigers right now to zero. Seattle wins,
they advance to play for the Pennant, So wee up
to date on that game and talk some Major League
Baseball playoffs as well. Got check time for RSL Saturday night,
Seattle lumen Field. It will be rainy, it will be cold,
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it will be dramatic, because fall soccer is dramatic and
that is a very tough place to play and go
get a result. But that's what RSL has to do
without Diego Luna, without Briano Haita, without Xavier Gozo, and
Seattle missing some players for international.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Duty as well. But RSL back at on.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Saturday after beating Colorado one to zero or nill if.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You'd like soccer term.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
RSL on the right side of the playoff line as
of now, but that could change if they do not
get a result coming.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Up on Saturday, so a lot going on.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It's that time of year, one of the best times
of the year if you're a sports fan, where everything
is kind of on the table, So it's kind of like,
what do you not talk about instead.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Of what do you actually hone in on?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
All right?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
What is on the television right now? What's this commercial?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Guy has a mouth on his chest?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
What is this? Whoa?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
What is that interesting? This is trippy, dude, what what
is this for? That's like the weirdest commercial And they're.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Not a sponsor. He has never Verizon.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
He has like a mouth on his chest that I looked.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Up for a second, was like it was disturbing, Right,
what was in my cheerios this morning?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I did not have cheerios?
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yeah, that was That was something that'll distract you from
your radio show.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
That was weird.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
All right, Matt Brown will be our first guest. Right
out of the gates, Porter and I are both snacking
on an uncrustable today because Matt, yeah every day, and
Matt wrote a piece on uncrustable consumption in college football.
Then I got a kick out of We're not going
to do twenty minutes on that. But I've got a
lot I want to get to with matth today, really
smart college football media member, editor of the newsletter extra
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points that we talk about on the show quite a bit.
Trevor Riley live in studio, former you, good friend of
the show.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Good friend of mine.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Excited to catch up with trev today, Nicolachack to talk
from Utah Mammoth on the eve of the season opener,
and then Stevenson Sylvester to preview the weekend ahead in
college football. So we got map around, we got Trevor Riley,
we got Nicola Chack, Stevenson Sylvester, Me, Spence, checkets, all
of you, the great listeners, and that guy uncrustable fan,
Porter Larson.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
On a Wednesday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
All right, how are you feeling right now about this
game Saturday night? Rass ecles for Utah?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Good?
Speaker 5 (08:27):
I think for an unranked team welcoming a ranked team
to their house in October, considering the option still on
the table for Big twelve play.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You know this is what you play for, Spence.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
You know, I'm not necessarily saying I'm overly confident Utah
is gonna come in here and thump a good Arizona
State team. But I do like the matchupschmatically, and I
do think that this is one where the line going
in Utah's favor is fair, and I do think that
they should win this football game. But that still, you know,
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doesn't answer some questions I have for them long term
with the Big Twelve. Like you've talked about though, if
you don't get past Arizona State, much of those conversations
are are a moot point because two losses on your
schedule and two losses against two teams in Texas Tech
and Arizona State that may be talking about things in
November and later, those might knock you out of Big
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Twelve contention. So, like you said, confident about it this week? Yes,
but it is, if not a must win game, it's
as close to it as you get in early October.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, well said, I tend to agree. So let's get
to it. Our first guest today will be Matt Brown.
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Speaker 3 (11:13):
It is good to be right.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
DraftKings, just move the line from you TI Arizona State.
Utah on DraftKings is now favored by six. Looks like
on fan Duel it's still five point five. But that
just went down. So Utah football back at it. Coming
up this weekend. It is a night game at rise
Eco Stadium against Arizona States at eight fifteen. Our pregame
coverage on the station will begin at four fifteen with
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Porter Larston. Trevor Riley. Porter is producing the show today.
Trevor will join us later. And as we've discussed all week,
and we'll continue to discuss all week, this is as
close to a must win as you're going to see
without really leaning to that entirely. Now, Arizona State give
football team Kenny Dillingham has long been thought of as
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a kind of head coach prospect, and now that he
has his own job, he's done a really really.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Good job down at ASU.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But I don't think they're as good as they were
a year ago, at least that's been my takeaway through
the course of watching them over the course of the
first five games. Sam Levitt a year ago was the
second best quarterback in the conference when it comes to QBR.
He's number eleven this season. Now he can expedite some
of those weaknesses with the throw game, with his ability
to run.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
We've seen it.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
He's a vet with a lot of starts under his belt,
and he is not necessarily one of these transfers that
has come from a smaller school. He's been at ASU
now for a while. So even though the environment at
Riysekel Stadium on a Saturday night for an eight to
fifteen kicktime can be very, very difficult to overcome for
the opponent, I don't know that Sam is the type
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of quarterback you can count on to be compromised. Now
it will be loud, and it looks like it's going
to be cold, and it looks like it's going to
be rainy, so prepare for that. But as we've discussed,
this Jordan Tyson kid is incredibly talented, but Sam has
not settled on a secondary target. There's a little bit
of tunnel vision with this relationship.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
The great thing about having a receiver like Jordan Tyson
is even though the opponents know that you're going to him,
no one has been able to stop him up until
this point. And we do know that where Utah, at
least as of now, is a little bit of compromised
when it comes to their health is the defensive backfield,
namely the safeties. So we'll see what Morgan dials up
to kind of contain this kid, because that's the number
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one threat they have. Really, Brown, a former five star
recruit out of high school who once upon a time
was a USC trojan, has taken over for Cam Scattabooz.
Cam is now a New York Giant, and he is
a really good player, a very good running back who
leads the Big twelve and rushing as of now. But
Sam as a quarterback has not been as good as
he was a year ago. Despite what our friend Tim
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Healy had to say yesterday, and certainly when it comes
to the landscape of the ability of Morgan's scalley to
scheme up to stop a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
He has shown that he has the ability to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So as we inch closer and closer to game day,
I continue to feel very confident about the outcome of
this game.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
For the Utes.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
It's a little bit not in the same vein but
Texas and Oklahoma coming up this weekend, the Red River rivalry.
Steve Sarkisian's team. They lose, They're cooked. It is all over.
You can forget about it. They've already lost two games
and they've lost their first conference game. You get to
three losses and zero to two in the SEC, there's
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nothing that you're going to be able to do the
rest of the way to get yourself back in the picture.
And even though Texas is coming off another loss and
they are three and two in Oklahoma's undefeated, Texas is
a slight favorite to win this game, but they're gonna
have to play with tremendous desperation, and that's ultimately why
I'm going to side with the Utes in this one.
Backs against the wall. There is really no coming back
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from this outside of, you know, the chaos that took
place a few years back when you needed like seven
tie breakers to go their way to wake it into
the pac Tworld Championship game. You know, crazy things happen, certainly,
but you don't want to leave the destiny in other
people's hands. You want to control it yourselves. And u
T already has a conference loss. Of course, most people
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believe Texas Tech is the class of the Big twelve
as of now, and I've said on the show, and
I'll continue to maintain until something different happens. I think
the best win any team in conference has is what
Texas Tech did the Utah and saut Lake. But for
three and a half quarters, that was a heavyweight fight.
It was punch counter punch, defensive battle. So Utah, to me,
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even though it was a loss, did show that if
Tech is the class of the conference, Utah should be
considered as a team that's right there. But you lose
to Arizona State, and then in your back pocket you
have two conference losses to two teams that will be
there at the end, and you don't have the tiebreaker
over either of them. And of course next week is
BYU week. It is rivalry week. It is time to
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talk about the Holy You cannot get distracted. You have
to keep your eye on the prize, win the day,
control what you can right in front of your guard,
your yard, whatever cliche you want to use. Utah football
under a little bit of pressure to perform. Coming up
on Saturday night against a really good team in conference
and excited for this one BYU remains a slight favorite.
Traveling down to take on Noah Fafeeda in Arizona. We'll
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break that game down, coming up with Trevor on a
little bit, but we'll catch a break. And our first
guest on a Wednesday afternoon will be our friend from
Extra Points, Matt Brown. All right, show roll along today
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Thanks so much, thank you. All right, we got Trevor
Riley on the show today. Trevor will stop by live
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in studio. We think you never know what trev was
there a couple of weeks ago, maybe a month ago.
He was supposed to be in studio and he literally
flipped his car and had to get like an uper
here and was like twenty minutes late.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Yeah, he was, he was about ready to do I
think it was a three o'clock hit, and he texts
sent me a text message at about three oh one
we were coming on air and the photo that he
sent me was him and in the background was his
car on its side on I eighty. So to be clear,
it wasn't his fault that that particular accident. But you
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just never know where Trevor Riiley is. I think he's
going to join us in the studio, to be clear.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Well, we'll have to see Nicolicheck stops by the Utah
Mammoth begin their season tomorrow. We'll do some NHL Stevenson
Sylvester later on Seattle Leeds Detroit three zero in the Alds.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
So a ton going on.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
But our first guest, one of my favorites to top
college football, a buddy Matt Brown from Extra Points on
a Wednesday. Matt, Happy Wednesday, man, how are you hey?
Speaker 8 (19:53):
I'm doing great. I'm glad I'm walking today. So we
don't have a story about me being label for flipping
any cars. We'll try to keep things as easy as.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Possible here Okay, there you go. Well, we appreciate the time.
A couple of things. I want to get to Porter
and I are snacking on uncrustables, so we'll talk on
crustables a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
But here's where I want to start.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You know, you hear a lot about the potential of
James Franklin losing his job, Billy Napier losing his job.
Are the current economics in college football something that may
motivate athletic directors and administrators to keep coaches around because
of the massive buyouts as opposed to maybe looking to
get rid of them.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
If that makes sense, It's true, and that's part of
the reason why Billy Napier is still at Florida right
now instead of being fired last season, along with the
fact that the Stigators finished pretty well last year.
Speaker 9 (20:46):
Stand bases athletic departments have.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
A lot of money, but virtually nobody has completely unlimited money.
When you're in a situation like Penn State where the
buyouts after you just recently extended the guy is going
to be north of thirty forty million dollars, it's very
difficult to go back to your donors and ask for
that kind of money. Especially when Penn State has a
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pretty high football payroll this year, when you actually have
to do the fundraising and go pay the actual players,
it's complicated.
Speaker 9 (21:15):
Now, just because it's complicated doesn't mean that it's impossible. Right,
We already had three P four jobs open up already
this year.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
I expect there to be at least one other FBS
opening in the next two weeks, if not more than that.
So if you have the right motivated donors, things can happen.
But that is absolutely a capsulus that the schools are
considering right now, especially because if you fire your coach
in September or early October, all the people you want
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to hire are still coaching, like so there may not
necessarily be an incentive to do it now rather than
in five or six weeks.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Do you think, as a result, that we will see
changes to coaching contracts that don't include these massive outs.
I mean, that's easy to say, but of course, when
it comes to the dynamic of being a coach, you
know that you're hired to be fired ninety percent of
the time, so that would be something that you'll negotiate.
But do you think we'll see institutions maybe be less
(22:13):
willing to give these massive buyouts based on the current
economic model.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
I would say probably not, because the schools right now
aren't the entities.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That have a whole lot of leverage.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
If there's a candidate that you really want and that
your fan base really wants, really wants you to hire,
they're going to ask for that kind of buyout language,
and if you don't give it to them, chances are
they're currently at an existing job where they have it,
and that's the sort of thing that can torpedo a
potential of potential hire.
Speaker 9 (22:43):
I will say that one place where I do think.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
We're going to see some downward salary pressure over begetting
to see it now, but I think you're going to
really see that's more coming into this particular coaching cycle
is going to be the salaries of assistant coaches and
coordinators and GMS and support personnel not growing at the
same clip that everywhere else is. I mean, it was
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the Brookwitz that you say today, you know, posted the
database today, I think, which shows we've got what it
doesn't people making over ten million dollars right now, as
head coaches and coordinators are often making more than two
That wasn't the case even even six years ago. And
in the world where schools have to pay twenty point
four million dollars at least to the players and some
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of this other supporting personnel. I think the era where
a guy like Michael Lombardi makes a million.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
And a half to be a GM and sucks.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
I think that that era is going to end right
after it started, and people that were making a lot
more money are getting make it a little.
Speaker 10 (23:42):
Bit less money.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
Not maybe not the head coach, but a lot of
other people in the industrial complex.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Private equity is something that we've discussed on this show often.
You know, I had a meeting with a very powerful
booster here in saw Lake a few years ago who
predicted that it is inevitability that private equity would make
its way to college football.
Speaker 10 (24:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And you know, depending on who you talk to, some
people still believe that will happen. Other people believe that
there are too many complications with public institutions. But news
did come down that the Big Ten is kicking the
tires on it, and you know, it looks like there
will be some things tried. You know, people are trying
to put in place to stop this this train. But
is it too far down the tracks are high speed
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ahead mat to private equity really reaching into the conferences
and teams in college football.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
You know, it's interesting every every major conference and a
lot of mid major conferences have taken these exact meetings
over the last twelve months. I remember when I was
in Atlanta for the last the College Football National Championship
last year, and there were private equity groups meeting with
commissioners then, and the talk in Atlanta was, hey, the
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Big twelve in the American athletic are you know, on
the five yard line to announcing some of these deals.
Speaker 9 (24:58):
I mean, they didn't happen.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
It's I think a little bit unusual that as much
information about the Big Ten has become public, which I
think is probably happening because some staffers within the Big
Ten office are trying to leverage and push Ohio State
in Michigan and a few other schools to approve this.
I do. I am coming around the idea of that
private capital, which can be different than private equity, is
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going to make its presence in college football in a
significant way pretty soon in the next year or two.
But I don't necessarily think it has to be at
the conference offices.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Right.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
A lot of you know, folks in the Big Sky
and a bunch of other SCS leaders were in Chicago
about two weeks ago and heard a pitch from private
equity and private capital for potentially a significant investment in
the FCS playoffs, which most people in the end in
college sports degree is an under monetized asset. I definitely
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think is more likely we'll see something like that or
with real estate investments with a particular school then, and
it is likely we're at the conference level, especially somewhere
in the Big Ten, where if you're Ohio State or
Michigan or Nebraska, you still have so many other options
to raise capital that are not going to be as
expensive as working with a private institutional investor, which makes
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these kind of deal it's just less attractive if you're uth,
PLA and Rutgers and you're in debt after your eyeballs already,
I get it, but not everybody in the Big tens
in that situation.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
What are the complications?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
So we'll use our two local schools that we cover
the most here BYU private institution Utah public Institution. So
it would be a lot more complicated for Utah to
be able to cultivate a deal like this based off
of just the dynamic of them having more red tape,
being you know, a public institution.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't know how to put that.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So what would be the complications and what are the
differences between what BYU could do and what Utah would
kind of have to figure out?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
So I think we probably have to be honest here
when we're talking about Uyu specifically, there's going to be
hang ups and obstacles that are gonna be difference many
other private school I don't think. I don't think I'm
gonna get in trouble for saying this, but like, debt
is not something the LDS Church does all that much
when it comes to building big things, And I would
be blown away if that was something that church officials
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will be okay with.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
Here in an athletics complex, if.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
They need cash, there are ways for them to get cash.
But for a public school, you know, part of the challenge,
right if you're Utah, when you're trying to raise capital
for changing something to right echoals, or to hiring a
bunch of new staff.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
Or or doing something else right.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
You could borrow money from a bank. You could sell
a bond, You could lobby for some kind of state appropriation,
which sometimes happens in Utah and other places throughout the
inter Mountain West. You've got the credit rating from the
university itself where you can borrow money, and all of
these things do not require you to give up equity
or control.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
You might have to pay back that.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
Money over a period of time, but the folks that
are running the athletic department are still making those decisions. Theoretically,
if you enter into some kind of arrangement where a
private equity group comes in, you might not really be,
you know, not technically selling like thirty percent of Utah
youth athletics. But you might say, I'm going to park
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all of my future athletic revenue, my ESPN television money,
my Fox television money, my ticket sales, my corporate sponsorships,
my video game money. I want to put all this
into this new company, and I'm going to sell a
stake of that new company to this other investor. Well,
if revenues don't go up, you know you can, you
can you lose control of that future.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Revenue, and the other people that are buying.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
A stake are typically going to watch some semblance of
control and say over.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
What you do with that money. And you know it's
a risk that.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
Has talked about a lot, is that institutional investor might
come in there and say, hey, you know what's not
actually financially efficient red Rocks gymnastics. You know, it's not
financially efficient baseball in the inter Mountain West. Get rid
of that stuff and focus here on on on the
bottom line. That might be good for money, but that
would be you know, not something that I think a
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lot of Utah fans or Utah community members would like.
So those are all things that have to be considered
for a private school. Yeah, you can, you don't have
the same stakeholders. You can move faster, but a lot
of private schools in SBS are religious institutions that, if
you know, not not the LDS situation necessarily, But you're
gonna have to convince some like Methodist bishops or with
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the Catholic Church to get up old with some of
the stuff that's not always easy to do either.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Would it be a model that by you would even
need to look at Matt you know you know what
I mean, like they might they might be in a
unique spot this way.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
I can't I can't imagine it right. And this is
again not something I'm saying to be pejorative or to
take a shot at anyone. But like with cash, assets
are not the problem of the LDS, Church or anybody
that's bank rolling by U. It's a matter of will,
and it's a matter of is this the best best
stewardship of these particular resources if it was really important,
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and you know, somebody could theoretically divert resources from the
Mission presidency in Guatemala or whatever, come up with cash
and bill whatever they have to build.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
There's very good reasons why.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
They don't do that.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
But like that money.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Exists, that's not the case for Baylor. That's not the
case here in my neck of the woods in Illinois
or where I grew up in Ohio. For a lot
of private schools there, you know, like Oberlin can't do that.
Oberlin would have to go, we would have to go
get some kind of institutional investor. That's not where be
what us problem is right now?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
All right, moving over here, I just I kind of
chuckle picturing these senators like sitting around coming up with
like really super sick names for the bills that they're proposing.
Oh yeah, you and I have discussed the Score Act
in the past. Well, now we have the Safe Act, Matt,
what you do? What should our listeners know about this dynamic?
Speaker 8 (31:01):
Well, so the TLDR here is that SAFE is proposed
by three Democratic senators, so they don't control the Senate
or the House, and they have no capacity to bring
this thing for a vote without anyone's help. But what's
different is that there's a weird kind of I don't
want to almost bipartisan or kind of heterodots coalition going
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on right now in both Congress and the Senate about
a lot of college sports issues, where there are some
conservatives that are looking at some of the SAFE ideas
and saying some of these have some validity. The most
famous name that I think people in this footprint, I'm
sure I've heard of it at this point is Cody Campbell,
who's not an officeholder, but he's a billionaire so he
gets to buy ads on your television. He's tight with Trump,
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he's tight with a lot of federal lawmakers, and he
chairs the board of regents at Texas Tech, and he
is signed on to a lot of what SAFE is promoting.
The Safe does not take a position on anti trust
exemptions or on athleet and employment status. But it would
allow every single league to sell their broadcast rights collectively
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as opposed to individually, which is right now that you
can't do it without running a foul of antitrust law,
and that you're a fan of the Big Twelve, that's
probably great news because you'll make a lot more money
if you could package your broadcast rights with the SEC
than you can by selling it yourself.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Matt, I don't know that you've noticed, but it doesn't
feel like our friends in Washington are able to agree
on very much as of late. I'm not sure you
pay attention to the news cycle. Well, either of these
proposed bills passed, Like, how is this going to play out?
I know, I'm asking you to read the future.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Yeah, as both Safe or Score are currently written, it's
very unlikely either of them pass both houses.
Speaker 9 (32:49):
Score excuse me.
Speaker 8 (32:50):
It looked like it was going to pass the House
until it lost a handful of Republican votes. It might
come up for a vote later this month, but there
is a bipartisan majority, if not a super majority, in
both houses to do something, so I think it is
legitimately possible to thread a needle with most of the
ideas from the Republicans Score Act and a couple of
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suggestions from the Democratic Safe Act to find a way
to get something through given that the President wants it,
and U an important committee chairman of both of both
groups of about the House and the Senate want it.
That being said, federal government's closed right now, man, and
I'm in I'm in Chicago. You guys have probably seen
the news that there's there's a lot of pretty crazy
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things happening here right now.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
There's a lot of.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
Other stuff on people's minds. So even as Cruise and
Can't well can sit down together and say we have
the bones of a of a college sports bill. All
it takes is one ice action or or one somebody,
you know, somebody on Fox News saying.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
One thing to blow the whole thing up. So it's
definitely on precarious ground.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yes it is, Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
God bless America, God bless us all, God save us all.
Matt me both Man. You referenced Cody Campbell. I wasn't
gonna ask you about this, but since you brought up
his name, you know, Tech rolled into town. Matt, and
I'll tell you what like that talent popped. It looked
really really good. They've rebuilt the trenches.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Really.
Speaker 8 (34:13):
Yeah, that game did not go the way I expected
for sure, No it didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
It was a little bit of a rock fight for
about three quarters. And then ironically enough, it was TeX's
backup quarterback and LDEs Kid rolled into the game and
just dissected Utah Secondary, which doesn't happen very much. And look,
I know there are regulations that are either in place
now or will be put into place to maybe regulate
the spending in a way that they were not in
(34:37):
place when Cody Campbell and his rich friends decided to
infuse this program with so many funds. But is it
proof of concept now that if you do not have
the economic ability to infuse your program with money to
bring in talent, that you're just not going to be
able to keep up with the teams like Texas Tech.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
They're they're talented. Man, it's a good team.
Speaker 9 (34:58):
It's a good team.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
And when I when I I think is really impressive
about what Texas Tech did in the portal and how
they're constructed, is I think they spent their money differently
from a lot of other schools. The typical conventional wisdom
is go drop two million bucks on a flashy quarterback,
Go get yourself some skill position players, because there's usually
not enough high level guys along the line of scrimmage
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to make a difference. And what Tech did is they
spent a lot of money, and they mostly didn't do
it at offensive skill positions. I don't think that Texas
Tech has a top three quarterback or wide receive a
room in the conference. It doesn't matter if you have
an absolutely nasty defensive line and can beat people the
way that Utah did for the better part of a
half decade, and it looks like all of those have hit.
(35:43):
What I think is important here is there's going to
be a lot of teams every year that are going
to spend a lot of money both in roster retention
and a talent acquisition. And for every Texas Tech, we
also still have examples of last year's Florida State, which
probably had a top ten payroll and was barely an
SCS talent team. This year, I've been I've been telling
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folks we're going to have multiple playoff teams whose total
football payroll is going to be under twenty million dollars
and there's a good chance that Texas, who is going
to have a top three payroll, could very well miss
the playoffs. Penn State is a top six payroll, they
very well may miss the playoffs if they don't beat
Ohio State.
Speaker 9 (36:22):
Now, so I don't think.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
You necessarily have to be spending in the upper twenties to.
Speaker 9 (36:27):
Be a playoff team.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
But just like it is with Major League Baseball, just
like it is anything else, money can help paper over
poor decisions.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
If you don't have as much.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
Money, then you have to nail your development, nail your evaluation,
and you don't get the ability to just go grab
a guy if you mis evaluate somewhere. As you can
spend twenty eight million dollars, you can afford to screw
up a couple of times and buy your way out
of it. And that's kind of where Tech is right now.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
You wrote recently on operating expenses and budgets for football programs.
It was twenty twenty four, so a year ago. And obviously,
as you point out, you can't FOI a private school.
So my guess is by U is not on this list,
or you will not able to get that information. But
I wonder if you were able to uncover the information
about Utah.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
You know I have it, I got to be honest,
I don't. I don't have it in front of it
right now because I'm about to walk into my kids' school.
Speaker 9 (37:21):
For Latino Heritage Night.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
But I do remember from from foiling those expenses, and
there's there's a story on Extra Points where he broke
this down forever. Virtually every single public Division I school.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
In both FBS and FCS for.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Operating expenses, and operating expenses are not what you spend
on talent.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
They're what you spend on coaching.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
They're what you spend on nutrition, and software and support services,
debt on your facilities, all these other things. It's not
going to really surprise you that nationally the top twenty
is overwhelmingly schools in the Big ten in the SEC, and.
Speaker 9 (37:53):
Within and within the Big twelve.
Speaker 8 (37:55):
There really aren't massive gaps between somebody who's in the
top three in spending and somebody's who's in the bottom
of three in the league, which and honestly, I think
if you threw BYU and Baylor in there, I think
that would be true. I don't think either of those
two are spending a crazy amount of money on the
other stuff, which both creates opportunities nobody's priced out of
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success in this league operationally, but also some challenges with parody,
which makes it harder to get three teams in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
All right, of course we're now in the Big twelve
foot print in Salt Lake. Of course, the PAC twelve
foot print is really well, it's still a thing, but
we're not part of it, and it's a much different thing.
But I wanted to kick the tires with you on
something you wrote about concerning Brett Yormarch's decision and the
Big twelve decision to take this conference internationally. Iowa State,
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K State the er Lingus College Football Classic in Dublin,
and you know, it was not a great TV product.
The field didn't look great. I don't know that the
fans were all that into it. It reminded me Matt
back in two thousand and five we brought Real Madrid
to Utah to play Real sau Lake and we were
playing at rice Eco Stadium, and when we got the
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list of the things that Real Madrid needed us to
do for them to come over here, we were like,
we can't. We're not gonna be able to do this,
there's no way we can pull us off. Like we
had to put grass over the turf, and that's one
of fifty things they needed and it was a miracle
that we pulled it off. And you know, I don't
know that soccer will ever resonate here the way that
it does overseas, and there's several reasons for that. We
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don't need to talk soccer today, but I don't know
that football is ever really going to resonate over there
the way that it does here. But what do you
make of what Brett Yormark is trying to do with
this game in Dublin? And now we've got a game
in London.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
Come it up next year, and they'd like to do
games in other places too. You have a women's basketball
game in Paris. The league had a lot of conversations
about trying to do multiple events in Mexico and that
didn't work out, but they haven't given up on it.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
I honestly think it is a.
Speaker 8 (39:56):
Good idea, even though everything that you just explained there
it is true. Is college football ever going to be
as popular in London or Dublin or Germany as.
Speaker 9 (40:07):
It is the United States?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Almost almost certainly not.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
But there are a lot of professional football fans all
over the world. I think I think you know a
lot of people here in this market listening to spend
some time in some of these countries. No, the NFL
is really really popular in Mexico. There are millions of
NFL fans in Brazil.
Speaker 9 (40:27):
Like it's not.
Speaker 8 (40:28):
There's a reason the NFL is continuously playing games there,
and it's not just because they're trying to get around
the Sports Broadcast Act there. We have a tradition of
American football and lots of parts of Europe, not just
in areas where we've had US military bases for a while,
but we used to have a developmental league there, and
there's there's a lot of similarities to rugby and and
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and other sports that are played. You need in order
to kind of build an audience, you need to do
more than just play games once a year or occasionally
in that environment.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
You also need to.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Make sure that people can watch and keep up with
those games on a regular basis after the fact.
Speaker 10 (41:05):
And that's been one.
Speaker 9 (41:06):
Of the biggest challenges for.
Speaker 8 (41:08):
College sports and trying to grow internationally. You can't just
fire up ESPN plus if you're in France unless you
have a VPN, like your access to American cable television
is region locked.
Speaker 9 (41:21):
This is the first year.
Speaker 8 (41:22):
When ESPN has entered into a sub licensing agreement with
DAZN for college football and college basketball in Europe and
in the Middle East. My understanding last time I talked
to the Big Twelve league office is that the ESPN
and Fox are trying to do something similar in Central
and South America as well.
Speaker 9 (41:39):
Right now, you don't have one of those, but.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
If you're able to secure those partnerships and you play
a game or two, you know once a year what
your mark's trying to do. And he told me this
and in the story is that they want to be
able to sell international broadcast rights to make money, just
like the EPL does, just like La Liga does. And
if you don't have the population, if you don't have
the institutional history or some of the advantages of the
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Big Ten in the SEC, but you beat him to
Europe and you beat him to South America, you can
make up some of the best of those financial differences.
And quite frankly, I think the Big twelve is in
a position to potentially do that, especially with BYU and
Utah and Houston and many schools that have Latino student
bodies and alumni basis of over twenty percent. So I
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get that it's going to be weird football. I get
that people don't love and losing a home game. They
don't love the jet lag that comes with this is
a it is they are planting seeds that will not
grow next year, but could grow in five to ten years.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
All right, Matt, before I say you loose, I always
enjoy our time together because it feels like I'm sitting
back and taking a class. But I reached out to
my producer as a result of the hard hitting reporting
you've done about uncrustables. Now we are uncrustable fans here
at the station. Porter and I both have one d today.
How many uncrustables does it take to run a Big
ten football program?
Speaker 9 (43:01):
You know, honestly less than I thought.
Speaker 8 (43:04):
I was trying to do a story where to try
to determine what are the actual most popular snacks across
Division I football and men's basketball programs. I sent out
like twenty of these open records requests, but most schools
don't itemize what they're actually spending money on. Indiana was
the one exception, and they brought it, broke it down
Andre like, okay, we bought like two hundred boxes of uncrustables.
Speaker 9 (43:27):
For our our football team. And also here's what we spent.
Speaker 8 (43:31):
On rice Christy treats and beef sticks and apple juice.
Apple juice was was the thing that I was a
little bit surprised by because I don't typically see that
and like snack stations when I go to the schools.
Speaker 9 (43:40):
That's I guess it's a big thing in Indiana.
Speaker 8 (43:42):
It's pretty obvious that not everybody on the team is
part of the uncruftable.
Speaker 9 (43:46):
Lifestyle, but.
Speaker 8 (43:49):
You know, to be able to polish off roughly two
cost co palates of the stuff over in the course
of the season not bad. Feeding.
Speaker 9 (43:57):
Feeding a football.
Speaker 8 (43:58):
Team is a lot of money. There's there's no way around.
These guys need four thousand plus calories a day.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
We've come a long way from trying to debate whether
or not a bagel is a snack or dinner, and
if you had peanut butter or cream cheese to the bagel,
it becomes a dinner.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
What a weird, weird sport, all right? Where can people
get your work Matt.
Speaker 8 (44:17):
Bet you can find everything at extra point MB dot com.
That is where you can find the exact number of
unprescibles which I did not have handy off the top
of my head, or the Apple juice cases. You also
have a story coming up tomorrow about the Saudi Arabian
Sovereign Wealth Fund buying EA and what that might do
for the future of college sports, video games, some other
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financial reporting. You can find it all at extra points
MB dot com.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Matt, thank you, sir, enjoy your child school night, and
we'll get you back on soon.
Speaker 9 (44:46):
Okay, some good spellas. Appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
All right, Matt Brown, extra points. Did you hear what
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Speaker 1 (48:42):
I'm with you, and I've always just been fascinated by
just whatever's happening in your life day to day. It's
now we're going to talk football, We're going to talk
college football. We'll see what's going on with you right now.
But it just feels like never a dull moment with
Trevor Reiley. Is that fair to say? You could say
that I take on a lot of stuff, you know.
I try to squeeze every minute out of every hour
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and do something productive. And I got a couple families
and working on right now. So just a lot of stuff.
And yeah, the Utes are here and I got the
Islanders and it's fun. I'm not complaining. Life's good. Trevor Riley,
former Ute, longtime NFL players, live in studio.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
I haven't talked to you since Texas Tech. YEA, we
got to start there.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
So Cody Campbell, as the story goes, Oil Tycoon rich
dude who played at Tech. He was an offensive lineman
for Mike Leach the Athletic did a really good in
depth piece. I was kind of curious to learn more
about him, learn more about this process, and anecdotally the
summer is he was watching Tech and realized we've got
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great quarterbacks, we have good skill position players, we have
high powered offensive attacks.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
We are getting stomped in the trenches.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
So we are spending millions of dollars to rebuild our
offense in the defensive line. I still believe Utah's offensive
line is really re, really good. But Trev, they could
not keep those d ns out of the backfield, and
the Tech talent popped. It just did it popped last
week against Houston? Tell me what you saw there? And
are we just now in a place where you simply
have to keep up economically?
Speaker 11 (50:14):
There was one play in that game when the quarterback
got hurt, and that wasn't the play.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
It was the next player.
Speaker 11 (50:21):
Whenever they threw the next pass and the backup was
in and the backups better than the starter, and I said,
oh my goodness, we're in for a long one. And
you scale that to the what they've done depth wise,
they have depth. Man, they got they got some guys
on the bench coming off with can ball. And when
you look at what they've done is just what you said.
They spent money on speed and length. Their ends aren't
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that heavy either. They're fast their long fleets their athletes. Yeah,
and uh, it wouldn't it be every coaches dreamed to
go get out, go out and get speed length that
that that when you have these meetings and recruiting, that's
what you're looking for. You're not looking for tough guys necessarily.
You're looking for guys who can run and have length,
and Texas Tech has a bunch of that, and it's expensive.
Today Stanford gets fifty million dollars okay from a ghost owner.
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There's an article in USA today about wait a minute,
how is Colorado paying for one hundred million dollar budget?
No one's written anything down, where's the money? All these
stories are starting to come through, and what's happening is
is that if you have money.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
I heard it on.
Speaker 11 (51:17):
The TV the other day. If you look at the
teams who are spending the most money sands, maybe two
or three teams the top twenty five, they're doing well
and it's starting to shake out like baseball, and you
know what I'm talking about, where the bottom stay is
on the bottom and the top the rich Yankees and
Dodgers get rich and the Oakland A's go to Vegas.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
And the difficulty is it And it doesn't just come
down to whether or not you have money, it's also
how you spend it. Because to your point, Texas and
Penn State with a number one and two teams to
start the season, they are both out of the top
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
But you're a Utah alum.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
You do a lot with the Utah Alum Association with
the former players, and look, I've got to be careful
what I say because I don't want the athletic department
to call me and get mad at me about things,
because I have been told things that indicate we have
a long way to go before we're even out where
BYU is at. But I know that pisses the guys
up on the hill off when I say, so, what's
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your understanding of where Utah football and Utah Athletics is
economically right.
Speaker 11 (52:21):
Now, Well, we'll start with our record. We're in good shape. Okay,
we basically control our destiny. The way I look at is,
if we went out, we're in. If we go one loss,
I think we're still going to get into this playoff,
and so that that's one thing that means that if
you look at it from the outside, not too bad.
Speaker 9 (52:37):
Right.
Speaker 11 (52:37):
Hey were we four and one final one for and one?
We got Arizona State at home. It's really a two
game season to me. So we'll look at that and say, well,
if you look at it, the way we're doing, we're
putting draft picks out, we got guys, we're spending some money.
The issue we have is the same issue we had
before we got in the Pac twelve Pack ten. We
don't have depth. I know that sounds crazy. Well, it's
relative to what you're trying to be. We need to
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be too. We got to be two deep all the
way across. And if you got guys playing both ways,
that's usually not the case. I mean, you might have
one or two guys that can do that. But we
got four or five because we don't have the depth,
not because we can't get it because no, we don't
have the money, we can't afford it. I mean, those
two tackles I think are costing us close to three
million dollars. You're throwing the end right Fano, that's another
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half a million. So you're talking about basically three to
four million dollars for three or four guys who don't
touch the ball. Someone said, why are we spending? Well,
what are you gonna let them walk? You let them walk,
and so it becomes this conundrum where from top to bottom,
what's the plan? Who's funding it? Those are the two
questions I want you know, anyone asking They seem obvious,
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but really think about that. What is our fiscal plan
going forward? Are we buyers or sellers? Who's paying for it?
And is it coming every year? I think Mark and
his staff are trying to put that together. But as
we're seeing, and I've said it before, this isn't a
slide on Mark or anyone over there. You're letting gym
coaches and non active lawyers run ahead edge fund. And
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that's how I see this thing is that if you're
going to win, you got to get organized fifty million
from Stanford Texas Texas Christian.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
Kansas Kansas.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
They're all but those three Texas schools.
Speaker 11 (54:14):
Texas, Texas Christian first, first, the first playoff, they got in,
right the final, Where the heck did they come from?
Speaker 3 (54:20):
Last year?
Speaker 11 (54:20):
Texas gets in and it looks like TeX's going to
make a run. And what we're seeing is oil money.
Oil money's making moves. And now you know here the
Saudi's are buying EA sports and you know where's this
money coming from all these schools. My question, new Spence is,
as a guy who's covered the sport for years, do
you see parody coming or do you see a continuance
of the rich get richer and the poor get poor?
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Well it's interesting because Lane Kiffin actually last week just
alluded to what you said about Utah, and he was
talking about like powerful SEC schools. He said, look, the
days of the dynasties are done. And his point was,
and look your point about Utah. I want to dig
into it in a moment. But he was talking about
like Bama and Georgia and SEC schools where once upon
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a time Saban was like, oh wait, my DN got hurt.
It's fine, I've got three five stars behind him. Loaded up, dude,
and now those three five stars aren't going to sit
behind the starter because they're going to go take a
two million dollar check and transfer to.
Speaker 3 (55:17):
Old Miss Yep.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
So the issues you're discussing with Utah, and it's interesting
you say that we don't have the depth that we
used to, because I honestly did not really feel like
that was an issue for win anymore. It felt like
we had built up depth and that's why we were
going to Rose Bulls and winning the Pac twelve.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
But whether it's.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
Utah or Bama or Georgia, you are not able to
keep the cupboard full because a five or four star
recruit that's sitting behind another five or four star recruit
gets a phone call from Ryan Day and says, oh,
do you want to play at Ohio State? I've got
a four million dollar check for and they're gone yep.
So yes, I mean, look, that's look I've been my
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former producer, Shout out Brady. Covid casualty not dead, just
lost his job. Shout out Brady. Every time I say
Covid Casualty, I feel like I'm alluding to him dying.
Speaker 3 (56:07):
He didn't die.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
We decided to let him go he sent me on
social media, and I'd forgotten. I said this five years ago,
five years ago. This show is now six just over
six years old. Five years ago when I started reading
the tea leaves and realized that nil was about to
become real, I said, on this show, if you're a
BYU fan, this is great news. Absolutely, this will even
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the playing field for you. The LDS Church understands the
power of the purse. That business school. Every year sees
four or five Utah County bros start businesses, some below board,
some above board, but all of them seem to be
very profitable, and they care about BYU athletics. And what
have we seen all the Utah County tech bros. The
love BYU football, love BYU basketball. They put their hats
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on backwards where their joggers and their Jordans, and go
down to the ad and they write their check.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
And that's what we're seeing it BYU.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
So I have legitimate concern as to whether or not
Utah will be able to keep up with his trend.
Speaker 11 (57:06):
I just think eventually it's going to be private hedge
front of my eye. I alluded to the Saudis, right,
not because the Saudis are going to buy everybody, but
they might shoot. They bought golf. Gosh, dang it, they
bought golff. I don't even know that was the thing.
They bought golf, right, they bought women's tennis.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Rather tentacles in soccer and f all of it.
Speaker 11 (57:22):
So I see private you know, and the conversations I've
had with both athletic department people and with football coaches
and with alumni, we need to get organized and get
ready for private equity. I'd like to see the players,
ex players, players really own the team. I know that
sounds a little bit weird, but not financially necessarily. But
the players ain't going nowhere. The ex players ain't going
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to where coaches and administrators they come and go. Who's
really in control of the team. Is it Donors? Yeah,
of course it's Donors. Is it the school itself? I guess?
But then you start thinking who really runs the team.
It's the players, man, the players of who the fans
want to see. It's why we're having Nate Orchard in
the Hall of Fame. Ron McBride, this is what you know.
We're running an organization here. So what's coming is either
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two things in my opinion, you're gonna have complete parody
with a salary cap where the Feds are gonna step in.
They're gonna, you know, try to put it. You know,
I heard today the NCAA Seanson on a show. The
NCAA has a tip line. Now you can call in
a snitch on each other. Like what that just started? Yeah,
so that's the thing. But you can see where this
is going. It's completely disorganized. And I say this always.
It's run by guys who ran AU basketball. They're in
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charge right now of what goes on, and they're they're
the king makers.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (58:33):
I hate that.
Speaker 1 (58:34):
I'm about to say this because it might be the
ten thousandth time I've said this into this microphone. There
is so clearly only one avenue, and it's the only
avenue that will save this thing from really jumping the shark.
Because to answer your question, until there's regulation, we will
not see the parody that people are preaching, but it
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will be different. Teams that rise to the top, and
the teams that rise to the top are simply the
team that have.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
The most money.
Speaker 2 (59:01):
Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
So if Bama has their collective in line to where
it needs to be, Bama will still be Bama. If
they don't, they're going to come back down to regression
of the mean Saban left because he saw this. Okay,
he could not do the Sabin thing anymore. You can't
stockpile five stars like Saban used to, Oh, my quarterback's
hurt one year he had Jalen hurts in Tua. Right,
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There's no way you do that now because twas like, oh,
you're starting Jalen. Okay, I'm going to Florida buy no doubt. Like,
you can't do what Saban did anymore. The only avenue
to solving this, the only solution. There's one solution. There's
one path, and that is the players unionize. They collectively
bargain with a governing body that's in charge of the sport,
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and they come to an agreement where a salary cap
is in place and you cap spending. You have to
cap spending otherwise. Cody camp be like, wait, there are
no rules. I've got a billion dollars in my bank account.
Let's go buy.
Speaker 3 (59:57):
Alignment thirty million. Man. There ain't no thing you know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
So look, and I always get pushed back to this
where it's like, oh, there's red tape. With public institutions.
Powerful lawyers would love to take this on and they
could figure it out. We've seen it in pro basketball,
we've seen it in pro football, we've seen it in
pro baseball. We've seen it on the professional level. And
it's time to say out loud that amateurism is dead.
(01:00:20):
And college football essentially is a professional sport that has
to move into a professional model.
Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
It just has to.
Speaker 11 (01:00:26):
And I agree one hundred percent with that. And high
school is becoming professionalized in Utah alone. Okay, if I'm
not mistaken BYU's hord or a few players over here
they stashed them. You don't think there's some you know,
they're taking care of these people, and not.
Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Just by you. A lot of schools are.
Speaker 11 (01:00:44):
They're Why not get ahead of it, dude, If you
can get a seventeen year old, why not, Why wouldn't
you get them or pay them, put them on put
them on salary, stick them in a high school. It's nearby,
and so it's already scaling down. And where where we
see this and you know this is in Europe. This
model is in the European soccer models, European basketball model.
But this model already exists Now I will say this though,
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if they can get that salary cap in, how do
you cap private spending? That's the one issue that you're
going to have if you try to create a cap
is how do you stop guys from getting paid from boosters?
Now you're back into the same old game we were
in twenty years ago. You know what I'm saying, Where
you're hiding bags of cash or something I don't know
or is it something you shouldn't worry about that. That's
the one thing as I think about this, if you
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do have a cap, what's going to stop somebody from
just saying, Okay, well I'm just going to sponsor you
to come to my car dealership.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Here's a million dollars or something.
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
That's where the NIL initiatives have to have guidelines as well.
But you just alluded to a point that has to
be underscored. No matter what rules are in place, shady
people will find a way to circumvent them.
Speaker 11 (01:01:47):
Yeah, they just will. You're dealing with a I can't
say this enough. These are au basketball you watch the documentaries,
go read this. Now they're running football. These are middlemen,
these are sharks, these are snakes. And so when you
think about kids, right, You're talking about seventeen to twenty
three year old children that are being run now, you know,
not to be crass, but almost being pimped out in
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some ways. And they're you know, transfer here, transfer there,
forget your credits. And we're getting to a point now, Spence,
where school is becoming almost how do you finish? If
you transfer, You're going to be at school for five
six years, dude, to get a bachelor's Those credits don't
transfer all the time. I seen a kid lose a
year and a half of school transfer it. And that
happens more at Colorado. Brought him into colad here's an
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engineering degree, and all of a sudden he's like, well
I can't do that anymore. So then that story's told
all over the place. And to wrap this thing up,
you know, as we're talking about, just to put a
bow on, what I'm trying to really say here is
if you're not organized and you don't have money, you're
going to lose. And that's just the simple equation. There's
no more backyard dig in it where hey, we're just
going to go out there with some guys and I'll
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tough everybody. This is Pro football. That doesn't work, and
the Jets are still losing. The toughest team in the
league every year they still lose.
Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yeah, and the other dynamic you'll run into that. I
don't think there's ever any way to fully eliminate this
is you have a lot of these athletes, and you
coached a lot of these athletes. Jackson, then Colorado where
you know, like the spot where Mike Vick and Alan
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Iverson grew up, Newport News, Virginia. Bad News Virginia is
what they call it. If you watch the documentary documentary
on either Vick or Iverson and you see where they
grew up, you're like, dude, this feels.
Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Like a war zone. Yeah, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
And so with a lot of these young kids growing
up in impoverished communities, there are going to be hangers
on around them, uncles, friends of the family, even fathers
that see a cash cow that they see a ticket
out and then suddenly it's like, no, I've got your back.
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Marcus Dupree.
Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
You remember that, You remember that story about Marcus dupre
How is quote unquote pastor was like, I've got you
and then basically took all of his money.
Speaker 11 (01:04:03):
So I've been to Marcus du Priest car dealership, have you, Philadelphia, Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
And I didn't know really about that story until the
doc came out and this shady man of God I'm
using air quotes, said I got your back and took
all of his money to build his church. So you're
gonna like this young kid, Ace Bailey who's playing for
the Jazz. His manager again more air quotes, was a
guy named Omar Cooper who couldn't count to twenty with
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his shoes on and nearly botched the whole pre draft
process for the poor kid. Then Ace is getting criticized,
and it was never Ace's fault handler. It was this
faulty agent who didn't even have accreditation, was just trying
to put his hand in the pie so he could
get paid. So, when it comes to the college football landscape,
you talked about high school players. If you're a father
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of a dynamic freshman who's fourteen years old, and you
are living in the projects and you can barely make
rent and barely put food on the table, and a
college coach calls you and says, I'm gonna then twenty
k there's none of them are going to say no, Trevor.
All of them are going to say yes. And there
really is not any way to eliminate things like that happening.
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But that's always kind of been the case, right, Like
I played aau basketball with a kid named roschmel Jones.
Rash played at Yukon, he played overseas, he was a pro,
won a national championship, and the stories he would tell
about bags of cash and Rash grew up in a
poor part of Norwalk, Connecticut, went to a really good
high school basketball school, but his family.
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
I used to pick him up and take him to practice.
Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
He didn't have a car, and when I would drop
him off or pick him up, you're kind of feeling like,
should I be in this place as a white kid
from the kid, like I probably didn't know not safe here.
But every time a coach and I'm talking about some
of the heaviest hitters in college basketball coaching back then,
I'm not saying names in a microphone because you know
that's my guy. But he would talk about how they'd
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be asked to go to dinner and then under the
table ten grand in a bag slip to his dad
and like so that stuff has always happened scale it.
You're never gonna be You're never gonna be able to
eliminate all of that. But when it comes to what
is quote above board, the sooner we can get regulations
in place, the sooner this frivolous spending by the Cody
Campbell's of the world will not be allowed.
Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
And that's what's going to allow parody.
Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
But until then, Trevor Porter, please remind Trevor what the
golden rule is. Here on the drive, we follow the
Golden rule. Oh he knows the rule, Please remind him.
Man with the gold makes the rules.
Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
The man with the gold makes the rules.
Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
So intel there's regulation, the biggest spenders will dominate the
sport period.
Speaker 11 (01:06:36):
And you look at what these schools are doing. Some
schools are backing the wild Wild West, right, some schools.
Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Are fighting, Hey what is this?
Speaker 11 (01:06:44):
And so you have this weird thing going on where
it's like, if I'm a kid, I'm going to chase
probably the highest bag along with a good coaching, a
good program, but the highest bag is going to be
in there. But then there's this other thing you talked
about the southern schools. Why would you.
Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Want to go live in Tusco. When you can live
in Miami or Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Why do you think Lebron left Cleveland? Trev.
Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Everyone overthought that, like.
Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
He was ice easy man.
Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Lebron was born in Akron. He grew up in northeast Ohio.
He didn't go to college. He was drafted by the Caps,
so I guarantee. When he was eighteen and landed in Miami,
he went, wait, what this exists. I've spent my whole
life in Cleveland. People live like everyone's like, oh, he
wanted to play with Dwayne Wade, the allure of he like, no, he.
Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Wanted to live in South Beach in his twenties.
Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
It's the same.
Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
But but, Trev, what we're talking about, it's the same
as the pros.
Speaker 11 (01:07:40):
It's yeah, Miami is the best team in the country
right now, allegedly. Okay, they're top three and Crystal Ball
has taken all that juice that he learned, you know,
from Oregon, and and they're down there and they're running shop.
Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
All right.
Speaker 11 (01:07:52):
I keep saying that UCLA jobs attractive. I think coach
Wich should take it. Colinie takes it. That's fine. But
if a coach, do they have good season this year?
If I was coach, I take that job. Dude, you're
a Kyle, you'd leave h take UCLA. I mean, come on, man,
if you have a nice season this year, were getting
this playoff, right, I'd be taking that LA job. And
I'd say, Morgan, I'll see on the field. And the
reason why I say that is that's a location, Spence.
(01:08:14):
You and I have been to Westwood. You know he's
his recruit there. Have you got some money?
Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Who doesn't?
Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Who just want to live in Westwood? I think it's wild.
U SA LA is an awesome in every sport. I've
always said it.
Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
You're not wrong.
Speaker 11 (01:08:23):
And so when you start thinking about what is going
to happen in college football, let's talk about Utah specifically.
We got to decide are we buyers or sellers as
as an institution and what are we in that it's
about money, Spence, Okay, your family's been involved with pro
sports for what twenty thirty years? You're approaching forty now,
So forty years. I would say that that rule that
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you said in the station you probably learned from working
in pro sports, correct, And so that scales to college football.
Now we have to live by that rule. He who
has the gold makes the rules, and we need to
get some gosh Dan gold and whatever that means.
Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Right, we got to more gold. And that's the issue.
Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Porter we came up with.
Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Was it beef money or we came up with some
potential revenue streams that you taught football could tap into.
Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Was it beef money?
Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
And then there was some sort of sprout or something
that's valuable in Utah that you were referencing.
Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
We did.
Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
We talked a little little agriculture. Utah State has maybe
that a little corner.
Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
A little beef, little beef money up the logan they
might they might have the market.
Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
There was it alfalfa. Welfalfa is huge and up.
Speaker 11 (01:09:29):
Okay, maybe we I have alfalfa field. There's no money
in it. We break we break even every year. Okay,
we use it for the green bell tax. There's no
money in it unless you're massively scaling it.
Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
And they subsidized farmer and so yeah, you gotta you
gotta have those contracts instead it to China.
Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
That's it.
Speaker 11 (01:09:43):
We need tech money, Okay, we need tech money right now.
Tech is running the world. The stock prices they have.
They have cash, Saudi's have cash, and as we're seeing
with b Yu. I'm so we're simplifying here, but you
get the point where we need that type of money, right,
whatever it comes from.
Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
We need money.
Speaker 11 (01:09:57):
That's like, ain't no thing money it is whatever. You're
thirty million, I had whatever? We fifty million to Stanford
today fifty Yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Can't scale and send to China their tariffs. China's now
getting soybeans from Argentina, so that's not an option.
Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Unfortunately, that's true.
Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
But who is Utah's Cody Campbell, right, who is Utahs?
Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Ryan Smith?
Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Who is Utah's can just got a two hundred and
fifty million dollar check Stanford fifty mil today?
Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Who can?
Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Who is it?
Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Well?
Speaker 11 (01:10:22):
The Garths they really held to sin together for a
couple of years. They'll give them credit. The last couple
of years they held they really held it together. But
they got sick of not winning. You know, they say, hey,
we're putting out you know, eight to ten million dollars
and we're not getting a return on the investment. Now
that happens, Okay, So I'm not blaming anybody, but we
had kind of a thing going there. I think you
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and I both know we've bled the Eckles family, the
Rice family. We bled some of these families. Huntsman's every
building there is named after one of these four families.
Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
So I guess the answer.
Speaker 11 (01:10:54):
We we probably need to get stopped spending money on facilities,
and they should probably stop donating to the Crimsons. They
need to donate to whoever's paying these players. We need
to reallocate funds to the salary cap or whatever we're
calling it, you know, the salary pool. That's a that's
a solution. Let's cut the funding to the facilities and
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the red tape machine. I go on the fifth floor
at the Huntsman Center. People who are over there run,
cut their money and give it to the players. Will
win more game. That's a simple equation, dude, Just cut
the money, transfer it, move it over.
Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Can we get a portion of the budget to upgrade
the concessions of the Huntsman Center, Like.
Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Yeah, it's only been thirty years in the making, but whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Like hot dog and nachos and maybe a warm diet coke.
Speaker 11 (01:11:39):
That's what you give when you go to the Crimson Club.
They give you a boiled winger and some cheese man.
Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
We improve the customer consumer experience.
Speaker 11 (01:11:46):
Do you know why they're doing that? Because, to Chris's credit,
they got to keep the money on the field. We
don't have every dollar counts at this point.
Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Yeah. All I'm saying is a strategy. I take all
of it.
Speaker 11 (01:11:57):
When I say all of it, I mean about ninety
percent of it, all of it, and slide it over
to basketball and football and buy these players.
Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Well, and the other reality is, you know the days
of and I want your thoughts on this. I think
the days of like Morgan'scalley has been a Utah Man
since the day he was born, yep, And he talks
about how he was always going to be a ute.
He's the ultimate Utah Man. He was an unbelievable running
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back at Highland High was recruited all over the country
and said, no, I grew up in the backyard families.
Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
They're all utes, some of you. Okay, So I want.
Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
To be a ute. He's a loyal gang member.
Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
But I think those days, Trevor are probably over, you know,
the days of like I want the BYU experience, and
I know the messaging out of Provo has suddenly like
no aj De Bonsa has really embraced Provo and loves them.
Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Shut up.
Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
It paid him seven million dollars for five months of basketball.
So stop stop this stuff about the culture and the experience,
like the days of wanting the LSU experience, the Utah experience,
the Ohio State experience, the BYU experience as a football
or a basketball player, they're over. Yeah, you have to
pay these players, period, end of story. And does it
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help if, to your point, if you have good coaches, yes,
does it help if you have a program that has
a track record of sending guys to the pros. Yes,
all that other stuff helps, but you have to start
with the bottom line, and the bottom line is what
kind of check can you write?
Speaker 11 (01:13:28):
The Utah Islanders were five and one. We just beat
Air Force Prep. We didn't have a team four months
ago or whatever, four and a half months ago, and
we're winning.
Speaker 10 (01:13:37):
Now.
Speaker 11 (01:13:38):
I'm bringing this up for a reason. We're beating all
these teams that have programs, they have broadcast teams, they
have coaching staffs. We don't even have headsets some of
the games. Right, we had two coaches on the defensive
staff last week. Now I say that because to your
point earlier. If it's all the money is all the same,
the coaching matters one percent, dude, Yeah, definitely. And when
you get to the NFL, coach matters a little bit.
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But you better believe the best players win in the NFL.
H And as I'm coming to a point here, what
happened with the Islanders is we can match up better
against these small teams. We got a bunch of guys
from Salt Lake City, we got polonies. We're out manning
people because it's a matchup situation for us. We're not
out scheming people. We're just bullying people. Scaling forward now
to Utah. Utah bullied people for years. The last six
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years we've you know the exception two, we've been thrashing people. Well,
now people are catching up, right, because fewer teams are
I would say, there's bet there's there's only a few
great teams now. There used to be a lot of
good teams, man, but now it's kind of consolid you
get what I'm saying, it's consolidating down. The talent is
getting into small it's smaller pools now that people are
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following the money spence. And when you see that happening,
you have to decide as an organization, are we going
I'm gonna say it again, are we buying or selling?
Because at the end of the day, all this stuff
about this and that it's a matchup league. Now you
said pro sports. The biggest serfence in the NBA and
college in NFL and NCAA is matchups. You're not running
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the motion offense in the NBA, you're running pick and roll.
In the NFL, you're throwing fade balls. You're throwing bombs. Dude,
you're running io and throwing bombs because we're gonna just
we're gonna out match up. So as an organization, that
has to be a new thing. I think Kyle's doing.
That's why you're seeing guys playing both ways. He's like, dude,
we got to get our best players in the field. Yeah,
And that's why I bring up depth. We shouldn't have
to have four or five guys playing both ways. I
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like it, but at our level and where we've been,
shouldn't be an issue. Who do you blame? I blame
the money. We don't have the money to provide the depth.
We're spending a lot of money on guys who don't
touch the ball because that's what we got linemen. Then
you get into a situation where you gotta score spence,
what happens. It's tough, man. We need to bridge the gap.
So money, money, money, money, money, money. OJ's right, money, money, money.
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It's unfortunate, but that it's evil to even hear myself
say that, But that's what the game is now, it's
pro in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
That's what it is, and that's what we are.
Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Well, it sounds evil based off of how we've all
been conditioned to view this sport, because what the NCAA
did is they paid lobbyists a ton of money to
put terms in our head that we started to believe,
like the term amateurism.
Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
It is a farce.
Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
It was created for the nc DOUBLEA to avoid paying
labor tax. But then in all of our minds we're like, oh, yes,
these are amateurs. They're playing for the purity of the sport,
when the powerful legislators that run the sport are making
millions of dollars behind closed doors, and we're all talking
like we're idiots because that's how we've been taught to
talk and cover this sport. Now, this is no longer
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a business that can build a business on the backs
of employees they can't pay, which is a good thing, period.
Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
But the failure of NCUBA leadership.
Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
As I've said a million if I've said it once,
I've said it a million times. Ed Obannon filed his
lawsuit in two thousand and eight. You had a sixteen
year runway, dude, to prepare for this. We all saw,
we all suck. I remember the day that that lawsuit
was filed and I read it. I was like, this
is the beginning. This is the beginning. I had been
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in media for like three years. I'm like, this is
the beginning of athletes waking up and realizing for years
and years. And it started with Ed O'Bannon sitting on
a couch playing a video game with his friends and said,
you're playing with UCLA. Your best player's number thirty one. Man,
he looks a lot like me. How much did you
pay for this game? And then whatever it was in
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two thousand and eight, thirty nine, ninety nine or whatever,
Ed O'Bannon said, okay, I should see some of that money,
filed his lawsuit, and then Trevor he won the lawsuit,
and anybody that was paying attention said you better prepare
for the onslaught that's going to come now. I didn't
think it would take fourteen fifteen years, but it did.
And because of the inaction of the leaders in college sports,
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the Mark Emerts of the world in the NCAA leadership,
because they sat on their damn hands, we are still
dealing with the collateral damage of not being prepared.
Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
For what the reality is now.
Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
And now we're really trying to put toothpaste back into
a tube and it's just tough to do.
Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
It's hard to do that.
Speaker 11 (01:18:09):
I just have always said this, gym teachers and lawyers
are running this thing, okay, and not active lawyers. These
are lawyers who went to law school, but they chose
to do other things. And these are gym teachers. At
the end of the day, coaches are what Spence they
teach Jim. And so when you're asking all these people
who are not really businessmen, these are these are I
wouldn't call m filand these are these are these are
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civic workers. Okay, the first until two thousand and eight
or seven, most of the coaches besides the head coach
and most of the staff members and the athletic these
are not people making a lot of money. Spence, would
you agree with that? What was the head football coach
making in two thousand, maybe four hundred thousand here, three
hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Something along those lines.
Speaker 11 (01:18:51):
You sell fastest scales, now, yeah, you got guys making
ten million a year. And to your point, they left
the players behind, and now the players are leaving the
coaches behind. There is reports of coaches putting their own
salaries into an I.
Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Opal Really yes, huh.
Speaker 11 (01:19:06):
And you start thinking about crazy that sounds. Man, they're
paying these coaches seving I'll throw four million dollars in.
Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Well, they're probably doing it because they realize if they
don't win, they won't keep their job.
Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
That's it.
Speaker 11 (01:19:17):
That's the biggest issue. How we going and recruit players.
We ain't got no money. It's a simple equation. Whoever
has the gold makes the rules. So this is an
imperfect exercise.
Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
But because data isn't necessarily readily available, well, we'll do
our best here and then we will catch a break.
Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
We have misbehaved with the clock.
Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Matt Brown, who he had on Last Hour, is an
editor of Extra Points, a college football newsletter. The does
a really good job of making the convoluted language in
the modern day of college football digestible for folks that
don't have a lot agree, right, he does a good
job with that. The twenty twenty four operating budgets in
college football. Now, the reason this is not a perfect
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exercise or a parallel is this is not you pay
for players, but this is what your budget is to operate.
So what you pay your coaches, your administrators, what you
spend on facilities. Bama is one A and M two,
Ohio State three, Michigan for Georgia five, Texas six, you know,
and look Florida State, Auburn, Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
These are the schools that are on the list as.
Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Far as what they're are willing to spend on their
football program. And there's almost a straight line into the
AP Top ten or fifteen where most of these schools exist.
And I would imagine if we actually had data readily
available on the highest spenders on rosters, Texas Tech would
be on this list, But so would Bama, so at
Ohio State, so would Clemson, and look, Clemson hasn't been
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great this year. So it's not a perfect parallel, but
you get the point.
Speaker 11 (01:20:44):
They're doing the opposite though that guy's fought in il
and is biting him.
Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
In the butt.
Speaker 11 (01:20:49):
That's yeah, that's correct. Yeah, that guy has said from
the beginning, I'm not interested in this. We're not doing
this at Clemson. How's that working out?
Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
No, he said into a microphone, My Lord and Savior
is my transfer portal.
Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
I love Jesus as much as anybody else, but you
know you.
Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Got to you gotta pay the players.
Speaker 11 (01:21:03):
That's a little blasphemost to it to bring him in,
the point being, it isn't gonna work. Okay, it's idealistic.
It sounds good, it's a good sound by it plays
well in some rooms. But when you start talking logic
and you start talking humanity, who the hell is going
to sign up for that?
Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
Man?
Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
How many sixteen year old players are gonna be like,
I want to play for Dabo because he loves God.
Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
I mean respect. I'm not trying to be blasphemous.
Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
I'm saying, like, you're right, you know your selling point
has to be different than that. Let's see, you know what,
Let's catch a break because we have missbehav with a clock.
I just think it's interesting and consider where we're at
the landscape. The failure of people to prepare, and now
everybody's trying to pick up the pieces. I actually final thing,
I'll get your thoughts will catch a break. I feel
bad for administrators that have to wade their way through
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this mess and coaches that have to try to figure out.
Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
I don't know how you build a program if you
do not have cash.
Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
That's why every time a college coach is asked to
speak at like a chamber of commerce or around town,
they all say the same thing. We need your support
financially and what you're asking of donors and boosters. Now
it's no longer hey, buy season tickets. It's no longer
like hey, buy our merch It's no longer join the
Crimson Club.
Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
It's like, no, we need you to go above and beyond.
Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
And if you have the means and you care about
a football program, you gotta do it if you want
your team to keep.
Speaker 11 (01:22:19):
Up to your point. I'll give you one story. When
I was at Colorado, we even explored meeting with the
city council. Okay multiple times in the Chamber of Commerce
because we you know, and this isn't a bad idea
for you ta they may have already done this. They
get how much money a home game brings into the
city of Salt Lake. I mean, I don't know what
the number is, but I assume you bring in fifty
thousand people or whatever the ary we see you're bringing
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people out of town and everybody's in town for a
whole day. You have a night game, they're spending all
day in Salt Lake.
Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Dude, restaurants, they're going all that stuff.
Speaker 11 (01:22:49):
So what does that app to either, that's one way.
Another thing. I'd like to see this and we'll catch
a break after this. I'm sorry, now you're I'd like
to see crowdfunding, okay, where if you can put in
you get a return. Sure if you win, If there's
a way to set that up. You know, whoever invest
in this, if we win certain amount of games or
we know, whatever the bottom line is, you get a
piece of that. Yeah, little ROI huh. I just think
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that ownership there's no barriers entries. Since you get you've
been in ownership groups. There's no barriers entry here. If
you have cash, you can own yep, and so you
should be able to get a return on that.
Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
The Trevor Riley effect is every time he's in the
studio I get a lot of attacks, a lot of
feedback about what we've discussed. So we just did about
thirty five minutes on the landscape of college football. All right, trev,
this is a big game coming up on Saturday, so
we should discuss it.
Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Let me just start with this.
Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
I don't think two conference losses kills you entirely, but
it might. Right, this is a big one Saturday night,
if it feels like a little more consequential than most weeks.
Speaker 11 (01:23:56):
I ESPN did a little prediction thing like who's gonna
make the playoff by conference? And I think they had
six SEC teams making it and they had one Big
twelve team, whoever the champion was. I think they picked
Texas the Texas attack. Yeah, But my theory is is
that if the Big twelve doesn't cannibalize itself as much
as it did last year and the year before, if
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there's two teams with one or two losses, or maybe
tex undefeated or somebody is, that should be enough to
get into my opinion, if you lose the Big TOAL
championship game and you have two losses should be good. Now,
if you lose the Big Tooal champions get me have
three losses, Spence seems a little far fetched from our conference.
With that being said, we're in complete control of our
destiny this week. I think this is the most underrated
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coach in the country. And I say that because he's
not really that not unknown, and he just made the
playoff last year. But this guy came out of nowhere
and took a team who was They were really you
remember how bad those Firm Edwards Arizona State teams.
Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Were, and yeah, the program was left for debt because
they had all to do, like sanctions put on them too.
Speaker 11 (01:24:57):
And he pulled them out of the depths of hell
and put them on the stage with a couple guys
from Sacramento State and that quarterback was from Wake Forest
or something. And so I got a lot of respect
for this guy. Went up against him on special teams
and their punter went down and told this story before.
This guy had us guessing whether or not they're going
to go for it on four down, Spence, and they
had us guess. And so I respect this guy, and
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we look into this game. Are we going to be
able to control the line of scrimmage? We talked about
that with Texas Tech.
Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
That was an issue.
Speaker 11 (01:25:24):
Can we control the line of scrimmage and can our
offense support our defense because our defense right now is
playing historic spence. Even with the loss against Tech, I
don't think we've given up more than about seven or
eight trips into the red zone. I think the whole season, man,
it's been an incredible year defensively so far. Got a
little banged up here, but we got to control the
trenches and we have to find ways to make plays
down the field.
Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
On offense.
Speaker 11 (01:25:44):
I know that sounds like a redundant point, but spend
how many years have been watching this team. We've been
saying this, are we going to get the ball down
the field? And that's going to be the thing that
makes it against a good team, man, you gotta make
we talk matchup league man, you got to make those plays.
Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Do we have the guys to do? I think we do.
Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
I think we're trending upwards.
Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Have you seen enough so the difficulty and this isn't
just a Utah thing, And you know, sometimes I don't
love the whole like, well, they haven't played anybody. You
can only play who's in front of you. And it's
not Utah's fault that Ucla. Even though UCLA just smoke
Penn State, Nico iam Al Java finally looked like the
quarterback he did in Tennessee. They were not prepared to
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play Utah. They look like they and I still don't
think they're very good. But the same goes for Byu.
It's not Buyu's fault that Stanford is in this like
pivot with Andrew luck Now and Frank Reich, who's a
one year guy. So sometimes it's not fair to just
hone in on the lack of quality opponent. However, Devn's
been really good.
Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
In four games. The four games Utah has won.
Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
The one team that showed up here with a really
good defense, and I know that as the story goes,
Devon was going through a little bit of an ankle issue.
Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
He just didn't look the same.
Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Do you feel like you've seen enough in the four
performances where he looked really good to believe he can
at least do that when the competition improves, namely starting
on Saturday.
Speaker 11 (01:27:06):
No, and I say that with all due respect to
him in his game, but he did this in the
Mountain West last year and the year before. And this
is a guy who is playing Mountain West team, Mountain
West level talented teams, or at least they're the way
they're playing Wyoming, UCLA, al Paully, and.
Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
West Virginia West. Those those are four teams that may
not win the Mountain West.
Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
This year.
Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
UNLV probably beat all of the UNLV. Did beat UCLA,
I think, didn't they They did.
Speaker 11 (01:27:35):
So we played a Mountain West schedule, not because we
chose it, just that's how it shook out this year.
So no, I got to see a little bit more
against that matchup defense that they're going to see this week,
and that coach gon't have something for us. But I
believe in this kid. I think that he has a poise.
I think that he has great pocket presence, great leadership.
He doesn't turn the ball over a lot. So I
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think we're going to trend upwards. I think, and I
believe that our best days are ahead of us.
Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
For the season.
Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
You referenced the lack of big chunk plays.
Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
I suppose if we wanted to be Utah apologists, we
could say they haven't needed them when it comes to
the games that they've won because they've smoked the bad
teams they played and then taxattack you know really didn't
allow for that because their defense is much improved and better.
And it's also fair to say that that Texas Tech
Utah game was a rock fight for three quarters three
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and a half quarters before the backup kid came in
and really decimated Utah secondary, which doesn't happen much. But
what do you attribute the lack of big chunk plays
to most.
Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
Well, we we got to get some guys to show up.
Eighteen has got to start showing up.
Speaker 11 (01:28:43):
Man eighteen got the size, got the speed I think
eighty one's and we moved the receiver. He's contributed a
little bit. Jackson Benny went down last week or two
weeks ago. We got to see more out of two.
I mean too had some great plays the first game
of the season, right, I don't know those Spents. It's
hard to say all this stuff because we haven't played
a great team yet besides Tech, and that was a
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rock fight, and we didn't look too good on offense.
I don't attribute that to anything more than just a
bad game. But I got to tell you, I got
to see more guys making plays down the field.
Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
How and why?
Speaker 11 (01:29:14):
I mean, I don't I don't know, Spence, you just
run straight and you catch the ball. Usually that's usually
how it goes. The guy covers you and you go
down the field and you jump up and you catch
the dang ball.
Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Not all that complicated to me. It's not all right.
Speaker 11 (01:29:25):
If you get the matchup, you throw it and it's
there and you take it and you catch it. So
I don't know whose fault it is, but we got
to see a little bit more of catching the ball
down the field.
Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
As a guy that made his living tackling people with
his face, how do you improve tackling? Because because Win
himself has been like, we're missing too many tackles and
that was going to be a point of emphasis this week.
Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
How is that? Is that? Coaching? Is it is?
Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
How do you do that? How do you coach up misstackling?
Speaker 11 (01:29:50):
You got to tackle in practice and then there that's
the scale you that's the risk you take, right, what
if you lose two guys to it? Just it's so
devastating when you lose a guy practice and they're trying
something different. This year, Coach Woods, I think he came
out and said it. We didn't do a whole lot
of hitting during during camp, right, he said that we
didn't go live very much live, meaning tackle to the ground.
Tackling is one of those things like riding a bike, right,
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you should be able to get back on, but sometimes
it's not that way because you said you got to
use your face, and it's an attitude.
Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
And you know, I remember why.
Speaker 11 (01:30:21):
It took about six months off and I just got
done playing in twenty eighteen. We ran out of players
in the end of the season on the front to
help us practice. So I was an undergrad. I pad
it up. Then I went out in practice two days
a week. Okay, yeah, and I gotta tell you I
was pretty sore, all right. You forget how much that hurts.
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And so when you start scaling that you have guys
playing both ways on defense, and they're also not practicing
a lot during the week. If they're playing both ways
in the game, you know that spence, you can't you
can't burn the candle on both ends. So it becomes
this weird thing where you got to practice, but you
can't practice too much. And then when you do practice,
do you really want to spend the time tackling? Do
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you want to risk losing a guy who goes both ways?
And so it's hard man. I would say, at the
end of the day, you just have to get better
at it. You have to just watch tape and they
have these donuts you can tackle on bags and stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
But it's hard man. We need more debt, we need
more depth. We have more depth. I think we would
tackle more. That's actually what I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Do you think, because look, if you believe that Utah
football does not have enough depth, I guarantee the coaches
feel that way. They're not going to say it out loud.
They're not going to come on my show and say
that out loud. But if Trevor Riley believes Utah football
doesn't have depth, then I'm sure Kyle Whitningham believes that too.
Do you think lack of live physical practice is Coach
wit acknowledging like we're thinning.
Speaker 12 (01:31:44):
We cannot lose guys. We have to keep them healthy. Well,
I know we're thinking because we've got four guys going
both ways. I can see it on the on the field,
right we got guys who are at bona Fide, probably
NFL players. They're going both ways. And I don't blame anybody.
You can't blame anybody. We just don't have the players
right now because they leave or you can't him. I
would say this, so that quarterback's got to put it
on his shoulders now you talked about him. When you
have issues like that, one guy can win your football games.
(01:32:07):
That's why people love football. One guy can go out
there and have a great week, and you can. If
quarterbacks having a good week, you got a great shot
to win, Spence. And conversely, when he's not playing well
or he's playing average, you usually lose.
Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Not very often do you win when your quarterback doesn't
play well.
Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
I mean I think in the past Utah football has
been able to do that here or there with maybe
lack of top tier play at that position. But you know,
we saw the collateral damage when Cameron went down and
what that looked like when they had to play hell
four quarterbacks, even my guy, the Ferrari, Luke Patari. You
know our guy even got in last thing here, Trav.
Then I'll set you loose. Thanks for the time, as alarys. Today,
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the UCLA job is open, the Stanford job is open.
I think there's a chance Florida opens with Billy Napier,
although he may have saved his job last week. Penn
State might move on from James Franklin. I don't think
Texas is getting rid of Sark. But if they just
continue to go on the wrong like there will be
five or six massive college football coaching jobs open this offseason.
(01:33:10):
That's my guess. At what point does Morgan go? When
is my time? I'd do it now, Okay, And that's me.
It's you know, teach them.
Speaker 11 (01:33:20):
Morgan has his own plan, has his own thing, and
I'm not gonna judge him for anything.
Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Yea, the ultimate you taught man. As We've talked about it,
no doubt.
Speaker 11 (01:33:25):
But I gotta tell this right now, if there's a
job in La Okay, or a job in Jacksonville, Florida,
or Happy Valley. They got money, man, and they got
some money now. I mean they played their quarterback big
time UCLA and it sounds like they're getting a little
organized of it. They're sick of getting pushed around. I'd
leave now, dude, either one of those coaches I said
coach with I'd leave in a high note. Go make
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the playoff this year, then go out of town, do
and go take another job.
Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Not because we want to run a manager. I just
that's what I would do.
Speaker 11 (01:33:54):
I would, I would, I would coach, isn't waiting night,
No problem here, you can have this, Morgan here take this.
I'm go take this bigger bag over here in La
and then I'm want to whoop you. And so I'd
like to see that one of those two guys, or
Swan or maybe the OC. I've heard the OC's up
for if we keep doing well. He quarterback coaches who win,
and those guys are valuable. Man, They're all over the NFL. Look,
(01:34:17):
I mean, they're winning. I'd leave now, though. To answer
your question, I'd leave right now. When the seasons are.
I'd get out of town. One of those three guys
should be getting out of town taking one of them jobs.
Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
Wouldn't you come on, man, your own show in La.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
Look?
Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Man, I think you know me well enough to know
that I would do the same thing that you're alluding to.
It's an interesting thing to consider, though. It just feels
like Kyle is comfortable here, loves it here. Morgan comfortable here,
loved it here, loves it here.
Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
Hey, Sally, country clubs nice, but I like Riviera.
Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
Hey.
Speaker 11 (01:34:49):
I'm just saying, dude, okay there in December January. I'm
cool with that.
Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
You know this.
Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
I come from a line where my father said, Okay,
I've done the thing in and I want to go
see if I can do the thing in New York.
Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
And he did the thing in New York, right, which
changed the scope of all of our lives, and it
changed the scope of his career. He took a risk
and it paid off for him. Now, the problem with
taking a risk is it can go the other way, right,
and coaches are hired to be fired.
Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
And Kyle has tremendous security here.
Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
He has probably earned the right to coach until he
decides he doesn't want to.
Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
And that sort of security does not exist anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
So yes, if I put my mindset, body and approach
into Kyle Whittingham's body, then yes I would go. But
I'm not him, right, So I'm just wondering if that's
something he would ever even consider.
Speaker 11 (01:35:40):
I just believe in the Kyle Whittingham way. He trained me,
and he trained a lot of us yep. And I
think he gets this thing. He understands what it takes.
His dad was an NFL. Everybody forget this guy grew
up in an NFL locker room. Yeah, his dad was
an NFL coach for the Raiders in the ramp he
played in the league. He understands what's going on. He
just I'm gonna say it again. We need more gold.
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We need more gold.
Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
Man.
Speaker 11 (01:36:03):
If we get some more gold, right, everything's good. Last
thing I'll say about coach Wit he should take that
job one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
All right, man, Well, look like.
Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
I said, I cannot disagree, but neither of us are Kyle.
So we'll see how it plays out. Great to see you.
You're gonna be at the game doing some radio.
Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Right, I'll be with Porter on Saturday doing pregame.
Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
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going on?
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(01:39:00):
it is hockey season. Pro hockey is back, and the
Utah Mammoth a back. Good to have our next guest on.
We'll do some big picture stuff and we'll kind of
get you ready for the beginning of the season. Good
to have nick olecheck back on the show on a Wednesday. Nick,
Happy Wednesday, buddy, How you doing.
Speaker 10 (01:39:17):
Spen's great to be with you. It's an exciting day
on the eve of the National Hockey League season, getting
going for the newly named Utah Mammoths. My Chicago Cubs
are fighting to stay alive in the Major League Baseball playoffs,
so a lot to be excited for this time.
Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Of the year.
Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Nick.
Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
It's interesting, you know, as I've been digging in to
prepare for the start of this season, it feels like
most quote unquote experts believe that this is a playoff
team this year Vegas, as far as the odds go,
have the Utah Mammoth qualifying for the postseason. What gives
you the most confidence the coach Tourney and Bill Armstrong
have done what they needed to do this offseason and
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take that proverbial next step and make this a playoff club.
Speaker 10 (01:40:04):
Well, I think the one move that exemplifies that this
team is now in the process of being ready to
win is in order to get a great player like
a JJ Peterca who at just twenty three years of
age last year was two point shy of seventy in
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his season in Buffalo, is that you got to give
up really good players to get someone that's great. You know,
they had to give up Michael tester Ring.
Speaker 13 (01:40:31):
Who is a big body, right handed, puck moving defenseman,
a hot commodity around the National Hockey League, and give
up Josh Don Who's going to be a great depth
player in this league for a long time to come.
Speaker 10 (01:40:41):
So I felt like that was the You could make
a case that that was the biggest move in the
offseason that any team made in the National Hockey League.
So I think you get in a guy who's going
to be able to grow with the rest of the corps,
the twenty and twenty one year olds, the likes of
Dylan Gunther and Logan Cooley. And also you go out
and you sign a guy like Nate Schmidt, who brings
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not only a Stanley Cup pedigree having won with the
Florida Panthers last year, but a guy that's played over
seven hundred and forty games in his National Hockey League career,
and a guy that knows what it takes to win.
You also go out and you bring in a guy
like Brandon Panev, who is going to be a tremendous
penalty killer, a great vibe in the dressing room, and
is going to bring an unending amount of energy not
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just in Game one, but in Game fifty six and
hopefully beyond Game eighty two by the end of the season.
So I just think when you when you look at
where this team is at, and you know, why are
people picking them to make the playoffs?
Speaker 9 (01:41:38):
Why is that the expectation?
Speaker 10 (01:41:40):
Because if we remember, the expectation going into last season
was let's let's play competitive games and let's be right there,
you know, towards the end of the season in April,
and that's exactly what happened where Utah missed the playoffs
by seven points. But you now, you go out, you
bring in some veterans, you make a big splash to
bring in a young stud. That to me shows that
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this team is ready to take that next step. They're
they're through the rebuild. No more are the days of
let's just acquire draft picks and let's trade away our
best players to try and get young young studs to
build our farm squad. You know, we're now trying to win.
And so I think that's the mentality and the perspective
of the Utah Mammoth right now. And I think when
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you look at the additions of new guys, but also
the guys that have been here, the steps that they're
looking to take, I think that all those are all
the ingredients of where this team is at right now,
and they're looking to make the playoffs. There's no doubt
that that is the expectation.
Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
I have been wildly impressed with Bill both just listening
to him and then I've interviewed him maybe four or
five times. You reference the rebuild, and you know, I
always bring this anecdote up because I still think it was.
It was hilarious for the kind of the welcome two
hour market press conference that we had at the Delta
Center when the players were rallying up the crowd and
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Spicy Tuna was doing his thing and everybody was chanting.
When it was Bill's turn to talk, he said, Hey,
everyone knows we're rebuilding, right Like it was a reminder
of like, hey, I know we're all excited, but we're
in the middle of a rebuild.
Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Nick, take me through.
Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Give us a little bit of a history lesson about
how you've kind of seen Bil build this thing up
when the rebuild started, and to your point, now it
feels like we're going to see the fruits of his
labor this season.
Speaker 10 (01:43:28):
Well, the reality, Spence is that you know, a rebuild
in any sport, but especially the game of hockey, you're
probably looking at seven to ten years before you're a
consistent playoff team into a Stanley Cup contender. And look
where this organization was in Arizona. There were some very
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lean years.
Speaker 9 (01:43:51):
But as we've seen.
Speaker 10 (01:43:54):
Teams that have success when they look in the rearview mirror,
there were some very thin and some very lean where
there weren't a lot of wins, and you were trying
to win games and play five card stud with three
cards because you just weren't playing with a lot of
experienced guys, or you couldn't attract free agents of the
most valuable kind of guys to your team, you know,
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in those days and in those lean years when the
team wasn't finishing very high in the standings. When you
finish low, you get a high draft pick, and over
the years they've been able to accumulate the likes of
Clayton Keller, Logan Cooley, Dylan Gunther via a trade you
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traded at that time Oliver Eckman Larson, who was a
really good defenseman and still is out of Arizona to Vancouver.
You get a draft pick, and that draft pick turns
into Dylan Gunther, who is going to be a guy
that I think can be a perennial thirty five to
forty goal scorer every year, and his young but long
and bright future ahead of them. So I just I think,
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you know, we could get into the weeds and we
could be talking about how everything came to be for
an hour, but those lean years I think are very
much in the past. And when you come to a
new market like Salt Lake City, like Utah, where people
are excited, where people want to come to the games,
there's consistent sellouts. Now with the renovations to Delta Center,
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the brand new practice facility and really as a living facility,
I will say for those guys, if anybody's been able
to see the pictures, those are becoming destination marks for
other players that want to come to Utah via free
agency and trade. So the lean years are behind this organization.
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They're no longer focused on how many high draft picks
we can get because they have the young core that
are here, and now it's about, Okay, how do you
get over the hump? How do you supplement those guys,
bring in veterans that know what it takes to win
to try and get them over the hump. So yeah,
it's been that's been a long road for this organization
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as a whole. But now that they're in the in
the new market here in the great state of Utah,
these guys are ready to win. And it's it's by
the veterans that have experience that they brought in, but
also where these younger guys are at on this on
this squad.
Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
So ESPN's prediction model has the Mammoth with a projected
point total of ninety eight point three. If we look
at the Western Conference nick a year ago, that would
put them in fourth place, behind only Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado,
ahead of Minnesota. Is that where and that's in the
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Central Division of the West. Is that where you think
they kind of.
Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
Live this year?
Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Does that sound generally speaking about right?
Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (01:46:47):
I don't think there's any reason why that couldn't be
the reality. It look the reality too, is that for
our great fans and listeners out there that know this
and for some of those newer who may not, the
Central Division, the division that Utah manther in is the
best in hockey because you've got legitimate Stanley Cup contenders,
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whether it's Colorado, whether it's Dallas, whether it's the Winnipeg Jets.
I mean, there is not another division in hockey where
you can stay that there are three bona fide Stanley
Cup contenders.
Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
And so.
Speaker 10 (01:47:22):
It's going to be a battle. But in order to
get to the Promised Land, you want to be the best,
you got to go through the best, and that's what
this division is. In the Central in the National Hockey League,
and there's going to be plenty of great matchups against
the Avalanche, against the Winnipeg Jets, against the Dallas Stars.
But the reality is for this team, you got to
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find a way to win the majority of your home games.
I'm a huge believers that you win. If you win
the majority of your home games and you split on
the road and you go five hundred on the road
or a little bit about that, you're gonna like where
you're at come the end of the season. But as
we always know in all of sports, especially getting off
to a great start is so key to setting up
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your team because while you can't make the playoffs early
in the season, you could certainly push yourself in a
hole where you look up but you don't see much
light where you're gonna have to be digging out of
that hole just to try and be in a playoff position.
So the Battle of the Central is going to be
immens this year. The home or it's the season opener,
i should say, that's taking place tomorrow night at Ball
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Arena in Denver against the Colorado Avalanche, who are as
good a team as there.
Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Is in the league.
Speaker 10 (01:48:32):
They beat the LA Kings last night in their season opener.
So as this season goes on, those divisional games are
going to be crucial to make sure that you're getting points,
that you're getting wins, that you're taking those series against
those teams within your division, because it is going to
be a battle and it is going to be a
battle all the way until the end.
Speaker 9 (01:48:51):
In game eighty two.
Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
Do not mean to be redundant here, Nick, because you've
kind of touched on this a little bit already. But
the way I'll phrase the question is what in your
mind cost them a year ago as far as not
making it over the line? Where were the areas? Was
it something on the ice? Was it a power play
or a power play kill?
Speaker 4 (01:49:13):
Was it youth?
Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
You already alluded to not winning enough home games, And
are you confident that those issues have been addressed this
offseason and those holes will be filled and enough to
get them across the line.
Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (01:49:26):
I think goal difference spence is one thing I'm going
to be paying close attention to. Last year. Utah's goal
difference in the first period was in the top ten
of the National Hockey League last year, and then when
you got to the second and you got to the
third period not in top ten. So I think finding
a way to close out games and keep leads. That'll
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be the one area that has to be improved for
this team. When you've got a one goal or a
two goal lead in the third period, you don't completely
change the way you play. It's still having the confidence
to not be afraid to make plays to keep the
puck moving north, not just flipping it and dumping it out,
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not trying to over complicate things as well. And we
saw that in the final home preseason game and when
the Utah Mama took on the San Jose Sharks. And yes,
I know it was the preseason, but and I know
the Sharks aren't one of the better teams in the league,
but Utah was up four to one. San Jose came
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all the way to the battle back to tie at
four to four after the second period, and then in
the third Utah turned it back up and found a
way to win that game six to four. So I
think managing games when you have the lead, and when
these guys are another year older, they're another year season,
they've got more experience under their belt. That's only going
to help them in games where they do have a
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one or two goal lead at the most important junctures
of the game, whether it be the last half of
the game or late in the third period, because there
were just too many times last year year where the
wheel kind of fell off the bus and all of
a sudden, it was a tie game after regulation, or
the opposition was able to come all the way back
and steal a game, either in the third or in overtime.
Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
So that would be, to me.
Speaker 10 (01:51:13):
An area that Utah's gonna want to look at. I
think it was very good to see some progress in
that area in the final preseason game at home against Santos,
But if you want to win and you're in a
winning position late in games, you got to find a
way to close it out. And I think the experience
that they've gained from the guys that were here last year,
as well as some of the new additions, is only
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going to help this team, because I certainly liked what
I've seen in the preseason and in camps.
Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
So far, eleven teams in the West finished with more
than eighty nine points, and a lot of them have
also improved their roster over the course of the offseason,
and they're all sort of teams that are in a
rebuild as well, they probably won't come into play. But
the reason I bring that up is do you feel
like there's enough or do you feel like maybe they're
(01:51:59):
still an addition or two the needs to be made
in order for this to be solidified and legitimately a
playoff team or do you feel like there's enough on
the roster already.
Speaker 10 (01:52:09):
I do think there's enough. But with that being said, Spence,
the season always has a funny way of making you
look not so correct when you make proclamations like this,
when you say, yeah, we've got everything we need. From
a team's perspective, I don't think you can ever have
enough veteran defenseman. I don't think you can ever have
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enough depth up the middle. And Utah was a little
bit banged up there towards the end of the preseason
with Logan Cooley and Barrett Hayden and Jack McBain, who
we're all injured at one point. The great news is
that it looks like those guys are going to be
good to go. They're going to be ready for opening
night for the Utah Amis next year, tomorrow night, I
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should say.
Speaker 9 (01:52:51):
So that's a very, very.
Speaker 10 (01:52:52):
Much a positive for them. But as the season goes on,
barring injury and one other thing I should say, aside
from those those injuries that have happened in the preseason,
Utah is going to be starting healthy on the back end.
And that was one thing last year that that Utah
did not have a fully healthy squad until after the
Four Nations face off break, which was the middle of February.
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So finally they're going to be starting the year for
the most part healthy with the one guy still in
a no contact jersey in practice, that being as you mentioned,
the guy that they've affectionately called Spicy two and Alam
O'Brien who still is in that jersey right now as
we saw practice today. So starting the year healthy is
going to be so key. But as the year goes on,
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can you can you add another defenseman? Can you add
another centerment up the middle, whether it be halfway through
the year or come the trade deadline. I don't think
that's a bad thing. You've got your number one goalie
in corral Vamelca. Your young guns are another year older,
so hopefully they know the grind that it is to
play eighty two games and how to take how to
best take care of their minds and bodies. But also,
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as I've mentioned it, and I know I've said it
a lot, but the editions of some of the older
veterans like Schmidt, like Tanna, that's going to help your
squad because those guys have been around the block and
it's only going to help the team. So where could
they add. Yeah, you'd love to go add another scorer,
You'd love to go at another center or defenseman. But
where they're at right now, especially defensively on the back end,
with the likes of dmitriy simashev making waves through camp
(01:54:19):
and deservedly making this team. I would put that defensive
core up against anybody in the National Hockey League and
just really excited to see how some of these young
guys can't continue to build off of great years last year,
whether that be Logan Cooley's twenty five goals or Dylan
Gunther who had twenty seven. I don't think there's any
reason why he can't surpass thirty this season.
Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Last thing, Mick, I'll set you loose on this.
Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
You know, Ryan and Ashley Smith find themselves in a
precarious spot with our pro basketball team right now with
a long road ahead, but I give them so much
credit for being prepared for this challenge. So bringing pro
hockey to Salt Lake City, and you reference the new
facility and the new remodel of Delta Center and spending
(01:55:03):
the money that needs to be spent to make this
thing feel first class, how far does that go as
it pertains to the reputation of this club and what
could it mean for the future as far as players
wanting to play here, which is the number one issue
we have with our pro basketball team. The best players
that we've had here just leave when they have the
first opportunity.
Speaker 4 (01:55:23):
Spence.
Speaker 10 (01:55:24):
The one thing I know about hockey players and the
National Hockey League is that guys talk, and there's a
lot of communication that happens between players on different teams
because they're friends, because they're former teammates. When there's a
place that is not very great to be part of,
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that spreads just as quickly as the spots that are
known as destinations. And there could be a lot of
different reasons why your team is a destination. Because you've
got great facilities, because you've got great management, because you've
got great ownership, because the area you live in the
country is great. I feel like this organization has everything
going for it, and it starts at the very top
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with Ryan and Ashley Smith. From day one, they have
said that they were going to give the team and
the players and the staff every opportunity to be the
best version of themselves. And they have done that times ten,
whether it be the renovations to Delta Center and allowing
at least for this season, fans who are sitting in
the lower bowl to not have a single obstructed seat,
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and then in the next couple of summers making sure
that those folks that are sitting in the second deck
will have very much the same experience. The new menu items,
the seven story parking garage that that's going to be
ready hopefully in a year or two. So, you know,
just investing in the fans, investing in the market, and
some unbelievable plans that are going to be taking place
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to try to transform the downtown Salt Lake City area.
But from a player perspective, when you go to the
practice facility down there at the shops at Southtown, you
want to spend a whole day there because they've got
a kitchen that that that looks like the cafeteria at Hogwarts. Uh,
They've got everything that they could possibly need under the sun,
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whether it be recovery, nutrition, we mentioned the kitchen, strength training.
They they've got a forty yard turf field with weights
and everything. So you know, for these players now there's
really no excuse not to succeed. And these guys have
have taken that and they know the responsibility that they
have to give back to the city and to give
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back to everything that that Ryan Ashley Smith had given.
And look, some other massively important names along this whole
process is Chris Armstrong, the president of Hockey Operations, has
done an incredible job overseeing all of this. Pat Murphy
who has been one of the huge builders on this
and Stan Wilson, who unfortunately a lot of people may
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not know, was a trainer in the National Hockey League
for a long long time and he has been instrumental
in making sure that the process was smooth, getting everything
built and making sure that the players had not only
everything that they wanted, but that they need in order
to make sure that they're operating at the at the
highest level possible. So these guys are in a great
spot and as work continues, to grow about this being
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a destination to play to live. That's only going to
attract even bigger names as the years go on, and
you know, to put a bow on it. None of
this is possible without the likes of Ryan and Ashley
Smith for putting everything in place and allowing the organization
to do what it's done well.
Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
Nick top of the fourth at Wrigley Cubs four Brewers won,
So I'll set you loose to watch your Cobbies. Try
to stay alive. Man, Hey, thanks for the insight, great stuff.
It's great to have hockey back and we'd love to
have you on soon.
Speaker 10 (01:58:52):
Okay, always a pleasure. Spence, keep up the great work.
And if there's any Cubs fans out here in the West,
go Cubbies there.
Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
You go and mamoos up. Yes, indeed, yes, indeed.
Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
Nicolichek Emmy Award winning TV host who's now in our market,
does a great job on the Mammoth broadcast. Our local
hockey team will start their season with a little bit
of a road trip at Colorado tomorrow, at Nashville on Saturday,
at Chicago on Monday. The home opener is actually a
week from today. Calgary is in town for a seven
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thirty drop of the Puck Love having hockey back. Of course,
we'll have our guy Neil Smith on all season long
and people such as Nick to help us continue to
learn about this new sport here in Salt Lake City.
I will catch a break. We're back to college football
on the other side. Stephenson Sylvester as our guest. We'll
get to the five o'clock hour of the show, and
then we've got Major League Baseball on the station tonight,
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so stay tuned for the Phillies and the Dodgers at
Dodgers Stadium right after we say goodnight at six o'clock.
Speaker 3 (01:59:51):
All righty show, we roll along today.
Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
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what are some warning signs that folks should look out
for to indicate maybe they are suffering from sleep apnea?
Speaker 7 (02:00:11):
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there's a lot of people out there who are sleeping
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The other one is making or maybe you've noticed that
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you feel like, yeah, I'm snoring, who cares? Nobody else
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that essentially you're trying to breathe through a pinched airway
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Speaker 3 (02:00:40):
And what that means is you're not getting the oxygen
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Speaker 7 (02:00:43):
So it's way more than just an annoying noise. If
you're snoring, it's likely meaning you also have low oxygen
during the night.
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you're currently suffering from sleep apnea.
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So snoring or sleep apne is not something you want
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You guys have developed a much smaller, more convenient oral
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It will stabilize your lower jaw at night, your oxygen
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Majorleague Baseball playoffs on the station.
Speaker 3 (02:02:48):
Tonight.
Speaker 1 (02:02:49):
We will have the Dodgers taking on the Phillies. Right now,
the Cubs are up four to two on the Brewers.
The Yankees get going in just a little bit. Let's
talk more college football. I misbehaved on the clocks. I
have to apologize to our guys, Sly Stevens and Sylvester.
Happy Wednesday, Slie. How are we doing?
Speaker 4 (02:03:05):
Oh girl, what's up? Man?
Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
You know, you know, just enjoying the great time of
year when a little bit of everything is going on.
But of course we are yeah, right, and we are
obviously hyper focused on Saturday night slide.
Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
Let me let me start with this.
Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
I don't think two losses necessarily kills your chances of
winning the Big Twelve, but it might, especially when you
have two losses to teams that you're probably gonna be
jocking with at the end.
Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
How big does Saturday night feel to.
Speaker 4 (02:03:34):
You, man? I think it's huge, right, especially with the
statistic that you know, we only have one at a five,
one at of six, or yeah, we've had six home
games in this conference and there's only been one win,
and are actually we're zero and six? Hold long, we
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don't have a conference on win. I think there's a
lot of things riding on the line, you know, tonight,
to just say how serious this team is. How are
we middle of the pack or are we top tier?
As we see right, there's a lot of things that
ess fans have to determine, the players have to determine, right,
Like you could do all the things that that that
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you're supposed to in the offseason. You could practice hard,
you can train hard, but at the end of the day,
are you gonna say, like do I really have it?
Am I really a top tier opponent? Do I really
have the skill level to be on top of the
conference or or in that top twenty five bowl. So
as a competitor, you question yourself. So I think there's
a lot of things going through the minds of the players,
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of the fans, and so there's a lot riding on
this game. This is a familiar opponent, a ranked opponent,
so we should be able to handle ourselves accordingly and
coming up. So uh, this is a true test to
what type of team we are and who we are,
you know, as in organization.
Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
From a consumer standpoint, night games at rise eycles are awesome.
From a player standpoint, what part of the day do
you most prefer to play?
Speaker 4 (02:05:10):
Man a night? Night games? One thousand percent. I will
take a night game or everything. It sucks from the
fact that you have to wait all day, you know,
as a player, like we literally we wake up pretty
much at six because we're on edge anyway. We wake
up at six, we do our morning walk, we eat
our breakfast, but like, especially for eight o'clock, we're sitting
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down all day. This was in the pros, this is
in college as well. That's the only part that sucks.
But what you love about it is what I will
sacrifice sitting around all day is the atmosphere that you
get from a night game, right from driving to the
stadium and seeing everybody tailgating and yelling at our bus
if it's an away game, if it's a home game,
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everybody cheering, seeing everybody wearing Utah merchandise hopefully as you
tell man gear Utah merchandise. You know, heading into the stadium,
getting ready, shouting smiles on people's faces just because they're
around the environment like that gets you giddy as a player.
And then for us we do the ute walk and
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we slap the fans' hands as we go down into
the locker room, letting this know how serious it is.
The whole atmosphere of football happens, you know, late at night,
you feel everything. The stadium is packed from the jump,
from the get go. On the first quarter on a
night game, the stadium is packed and I absolutely love
that feeling the lights as a player. The lights shining
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down on the field is way different than the sunlight
shining on the players. I'm getting all jacked up because
you're bringing back memories now. But playing at night, whether
for me, I played on Monday night football when we
played in the arena in New Orleans, or we would
go down to Dallas or whatever we played in arena,
it's still different vibe. But night games, Monday night, Sunday
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night games against like the Raven or you know, the
Bears or something was just it was absolutely epic and
so I'll take a night game over a day game
any day. Sorry for the long response. No, no, not
at all.
Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
I love it, And you're getting me hyped just to
be hit the game on Saturday night, because even coach
Wit during his media on Monday talked about how excited
he is for this atmosphere coming up on Saturday night.
So if we look at Arizona States, like, here's here's
what I wanted to ask you, because they have this
this Jordan Tyson kid is insanely talented. He has thirty
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nine catches on the year, four hundred and eighty three yards.
He's the leading receiver in the conference. But Sam Levitt
has not been able to settle on a even like
a second preferred target.
Speaker 2 (02:07:46):
They've got a wi they've got a tight end.
Speaker 1 (02:07:48):
The Shannon Mateyo kid with seventeen catches, releak brown catches
nineteen out of the backfield. But it feels like when
I watch them and then you look at the data,
it's tunnel vision from Sam to Jordan. So how do
you if it really is a one kind of tiered
attack on the outside schematically, how do you take that away?
Speaker 2 (02:08:06):
Because it feels like that's going to be one of
the keys here.
Speaker 4 (02:08:09):
Man. It's it's not gonna be easy because most of
the time that is schemed. Now I have to watch
a little bit more film on exactly how they line
him up. But when you got a guy like Jamar Chase,
or you have a guy that's as dynamic as like
a Ryan Smith at Ohio State, or you know that
that guy the receiver for Alabama, those guys it's very
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hard to stop. But what you want to do is
limit right. We've played number one receivers, even TCU last
year with Jack besh Right. We've played these guys and
what we do is they're going to catch the football
because they make incredible plays. They fit it into tight covers.
There's a comfortability between quarterback and receiver. You get that,
but what you want to limit is the tackles after
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the catch. The same thing when Jordan Addison was at
USC right and in caleably as it him had a
spectacular connection. They spread him all across the field. They
were doing uh fly motions to get him into the
flats and and running him at the third receivers where
he has a two way go, lining him up at
X and having him go one on one and catching
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the short pass and trying to go. The biggest thing
is what we've had issues with is tackling right. We
have to tackle the catch right. Guys like Jackson, Benny
smith Snoen who will be aligned on Jordan, He's gonna
They're gonna need to be able to be attached to
him and not try to bait the quarterback. I said
this all season, and I've hated I think guys are
trying to test out their their skill sets. So it
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was early in the season, but there was a lot
of baiting the quarterback, like throw that ball. I want
you to throw the flat I'm gonna try to steal it.
Let me, let me. You can't do that against top
tier opponents if you got a guy, if that's your guy.
So what with this defense we play. We play matchup zone.
So even so even though we go Cover two or
Cover three or whatever, at the end of that we
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pass it off and then we have to plaster and
match up on those guys. When you plaster and you
have the guy that like when we go our dog coverage,
when we're having a six man blitz, those are man zones, right,
So we run the zone and it ends up being man.
You have to attach yourself to that guy. Don't bate
the quarterback. Just stay on top of your guy. Tackle
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the kitch because the yak yards are where teams like
this get all of their edge. And so I think
that we'll be pretty set across the board, especially with
the bye week. Last week we were able to recover.
But yeah, I think if we take that away, or
if that's their only that's their only sense of success,
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that plays right into our hands, especially with our ability
to rush the passer with our our d lineman, Sam
Levitt won't be able to hold the ball long enough
to have Jordan Edison come open.
Speaker 1 (02:10:50):
Like that before I say you lose slide. Here's the
dynamic I'm most interested in. So Arizona State has a
excellent rushing defense. They're actually eighth in the nation. They
allow about seventy eight yards a game, but they do
not have a good passing defense. They have some injuries
in the secondary. They're ninety six in the country with
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two hundred and forty three yards allowed. Now, Utah's offensive
line will be the best offensive line they've seen. So
I'm not saying it's all on Devin, but when you
look at where ASU appears to be vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (02:11:23):
It feels like Utah's gonna have to throw the football.
Speaker 1 (02:11:26):
Do you have confidence that the throw game is Wit
likes to say will be what it needs to be
on Saturday Night?
Speaker 4 (02:11:31):
Well, I mean to speak to those statistics teams that
they've played haven't been rushing teams.
Speaker 2 (02:11:36):
I think this is going to be those fair.
Speaker 4 (02:11:38):
This is going to be the first actual threat to
running the football is playing Utah, right, And that's who
we are. I'm never gonna forget this statement. I say
it all the time and I don't care if everybody
gets annoyed about it. But in two thousand and one,
we were playing old boy quarterback for Washington Commanders. Right now, Yeah,
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we're playing Jayden Daniels. He's at ASU. They're up by
two scores. I'm interviewing coach at halftime, and I'm like, coach,
how do we get out of this big? Like nothing's
really working offensively, defensively, We're kind of shook a little bit.
What happened. He's like, we have to run the football.
And he was so adamant and so determined. He was
very dogmatic about, like, we have to run the football
and I'm like, coach, we're down by two scores and
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it doesn't look like we can do anything. And we
come out at halftime and we run it down their
throat three straight possessions, three touchdowns, and I don't think
we threw the ball but once. And so I'm just like,
all right, this man knows what he's talking about. I don't.
I don't, And so I think we got to still
go with our identity, and that's running the football. That's
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QB run game. That's way Sean Parker, that's Nikirie Rogers.
You know, I wish we still had Hunter Andrews, but
we don't have it. But there's tons of guys that
we can put in there to make that happen. But
we really have to take advantage of our great offensive line.
Take care of the football, right because I think that
puts us behind the boat. But take care of the
football and run the football effectively. And I think that's
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that's gonna be the game plan, right because you want
to keep the ball out of Sam Levitts hand. The
best way to do that is control the clock by
running the football. So I think that's gonna be a
paramount for us to be able to do in this
football game. There's many ways to run the football. We
got to see exactly what game film has told Coach
Beck that which scheme is gonna work? Is that the
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straight ahead? Is that the off tackle? Or we're gonna
have to go outside to come back inside. What type
of running game are we going to have to do?
Because we can we can do all of it. We
can run outside, we could run inside, we can do
QB run game. We can do it all. But what
type of run game is Utah going to have to
implement to be successful against Arizona State?
Speaker 2 (02:13:42):
Bottom line slide? Do we get it done? Do we
come away with a win?
Speaker 4 (02:13:45):
I don't think you'll ever hear me say we won't,
So yes, we get it done. I think it's gonna
be a classic matchup, and I think it's gonna be
a classic head to head kind of emotional game because
of our history. Right, we got history with Arizona State.
You know there was times where it was just a
back and forth type of matchup. And I just think
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that Kenny Dillingham is going to want to re establish
that he's such a tough coach. But I think he's
got his guys right where he wants him and they're
willing to play for him. So I just think that
this is going to be a top tier matchup in
one that I don't think any Utah fans going to
want to miss.
Speaker 1 (02:14:19):
Fair Enough, my friend, appreciate the time today, have a
great week, and we'll see up there on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (02:14:24):
Okay, you're the man, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (02:14:25):
Stevenson Sylvester, one of the best to ever do it
at the U and then obviously a Super Bowl winner
in the NFL. He'll be part of our coverage Saturday night. Reminder,
our pregame show with Porter Larson. Trevor Riley, who joined
us earlier, will beget at four fifteen, and then Bill Riley,
Scott Mitchell, Stevenson Sylvester. I have the call for you
as it's game week for Utah and a big one
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on Saturday night.