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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Jerry Sandusky, voice of the Baltimore Ravens tot
up and you're listening to the Extra Point Show.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome into the Extra Point Show, everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm Vasilio's thank you so much for being here today.
I hope you guys are ready to preview this Browns
Ravens matchup that we got coming up week two. Daniel
Oyafusi of ESPN is joining us to give a little
insight on the Brown side of things. Before we get
to that, we have to address the elephant in the room.
There's a little something that happened on Sunday Night football
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that we might have to catch up on. Jerry Sandusky
and Rod Woodson on the radio call Let's check.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
It takes the snap, deep drop looking for the end zone,
drifting to the right, grow to the end zone, tip
and part on the deflection. As Buffalo gets the tip
ball touchdown for a key. J Coleman and the Bills
aren't done yet. My formation, give us to Henry left side.
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Nothing there. He bumbles the ball, a loose ball at
the thirty yard line. The officials converge on the pile
and the Bills have recovered. Alan undersaid him third and
goal from an inch away. He leaps and breaks the
goal line. Touchdown Buffalo and they got to go for choos.
Jordan Stout will punt Brandon Codriton awaits Dalla Whit's a wobbler.
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He bounces it at the twenty and we'll go out
of bound. We'll see where they market now. The Ravens
bring a blitz. Josh Allen's pass complete a key on
Coleman at the fifteen, tripped up and taken down to ten,
a touchdown saving tackle by Jayir Alexander. But Buffalo is
in scoring range.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You bring a blitz. You have to be inside as
a corner.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Clock is down to five. The Bills are going to
exhaust the clock. And here's the kick from thirty two.
Matt Prater's kick is up. It is good and on
the final play of the game, the Buffalo Bills have
defeated the Ravens forty one to forty following a gut
wrenching fourth quarter collapsed by the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Joining me now to discuss the Browns and Ravens upcoming
Week two matchup. Daniel OYOFUSI of ESPN dot com. How
you doing, brother? You live in big time over at ESPN.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Now, huh, not big time, not big time at all.
But it's definitely good to see you.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It's been a while, likewise, man, And so I have
to ask, because we just we just listened to uh
to Jerry and Rod Woodson on the radio call. Did
you catch any of the Sunday night football game between
the Ravens and the Bills.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I caught every second of it, and it was funny
when Derek You rushed for that second touchdown I think,
to make it like forty to twenty five. I was like, Oh,
this is the game over. There may be in like
maybe ten minutes left or something like that in the
in the fourth quarter, I'm like, oh, this is this
is game over. At Maybe I'm like too far moved
from the Ravens bead and too far moved from like
living in Baltimore, because obviously we saw what happen over
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the last ten minutes and that was what we've seen
a lot over the past couple of years. Yeah, that
was that was definitely like brought back some memories of
you know, the Miami game and the Dolphins game in
Baltimore a couple of years back, and stuff. Like that
for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, I mean, I just I can't get over how
how awfully that ended in just a uncharacteristic Derrick Henry
fumble and just the lax defense seeming to be played.
But we'll move on from there before I go too
much into a tingent on what I think happened. If
you want, you could read more of that because I
posted it like three times on Twitter. But anyway, speaking
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of Derrick Henry, I saw just a couple of hours ago,
you and Jamison Hensley collaborated on an article on ESPN
dot com. Granton Delpit said, Derrick Henry is easy to tackle.
What say you, Daniel YAFUSI, I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I'll say this the Browns. You know, if they're only one.
We know the history of the Browns, especially over the
past couple dars in the struggles they've had, But I
mean when they faced Derrick Henry in recent years, they've
they've had some some pretty decent success. I think two
of the last three matchups since Jim Schwartz became defensive
coordinator have held them under seventy five rushing yards. So
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you know, maybe they have reason to feel a little confident.
I mean, I'm not expecting them to back down. And
it's funny because when players get asked these questions, it's like,
I'll like, you're talking to Jerry Judy about he's given
me a hard time for tweeting out his his quote
that blew up as well about no challenges from the
rising second or secondary, and he's like, what do you
want me to say? I'm like, I respect it. That's
why I didn't ask you that, Like, I'm not expecting
you to bow down to these guys and be overwhelmingly
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complimentary and flowery and your praise of them. So yeah, Grant, Ope,
it is one of those guys on defense. Regardless of
how the team's record may be, he's gonna have a
lot of confidence. He's going to feel really good. He's
always good for one little SoundBite quote, one liner. He
had one last week where he said the bands are
alfen toalone's going to be in for a tough day.
So that was just the one liner for this week.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
And so look the other big storyline, right, Joe Flacco
coming back to town as the starting quarterback for the Browns.
Have you have you picked Joe's brain about that at all?
What are his thoughts I know, and I think I
saw something that said he's just saying it's just another game,
but I feel like there's a little more to it
than that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah. So I actually spoke to him a couple of
weeks ago for a story that's actually gonna come out
Friday morning. You know, Jake Trotter, who took over for
in Cleveland, had been working on a story kind of
these vignettes and anecdotes of Joe Flack on how he
became Joe Cool in Baltimore and like talking to former
teammates and coaches about his time with the Ravens. Jamison
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as well helped me out with that story and I
kind of tied it together. It was kind of a
cool kind of project to bring back to life, especially
with me being a former Ravens feed writer and being
from Baltimore really growing up, really coming up during that
Joe Flacker era. So I spoke to him a little
bit for that story and he was like, yeah, like,
it's gonna be really cool. He was talking to Dennis
Pitta and Tod's about having all their families and friends
there for and obviously like this week he talked about,
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you know, really wanted to keep the focus on the game.
But and he's mentioned that he's not one, so I
really like live in the moment. He really appreciates things
after the fact. But I think he definitely is looking
forward to His father said as much, and and me personally,
I think I hope that he does maybe you know,
pregame or I don't know if they're gonna have like
a video montage Trump during the game, but maybe if
I for a quick second, he kind of soaks in.
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But I think it's going to be a really great,
uh you know, reception from that fan base. I think
that'd be really cool for everything that he's done for
this organization. I hope so too. Man.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
It's like I think about it. Joe Flacco was drafted
to the Baltimore Ravens when I was in fifth grade,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You have told him that. I told I told him
Joe that. I was like when we finished the interview,
I was like, I don't want to I don't want
to date you, man. But I was in fifth grade
and he was like, oh man, I'm like seventeen year later,
like I missed him by one missed covering him by
one year. When I was back in Baltimore. Then you know,
he's still stuck around somehow four years old, and I'm like, yeah,
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I want to date you. But like I was ten
years old and the Ravens drafted Drew and he's still
in the league now, and he's like, oh man, I'm
all back. Yeah, no, I'm right there with you.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But I mean, let's talk about his performance last week.
And we know the Browns ended up losing by one
point seventeen to sixteen into the Bengals, but it seems
like they they battled and they performed a lot better
than a lot of folks thought they would against against
Cincinnati and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, it was a game that they
should have won. You know, when you look at a
lot of self inflicted mistakes. You have missed extra point
by the kicker, Andre Smid, and then he misses a
go ahead thirty six yard field goal in the fourth
quarter late when the fourth fourth throughout two minutes left,
and then you have the two flat o interceptions which
really weren't his fault, both of them going right off
both hands of his receivers and ended up being picked
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off by Bengals defenders. It's just a lot of self
inflicted mistakes and errors. Flat did what really, like we've
seen him do all through our training camp, really what
he did, you know, So maybe a little lesser extent
in twenty twenty three, which is like just operating the
offense and putting them in positions to to score points.
I mean, the bar coming off last year for this
offense was just so low, and you know, some of
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the numbers coming out of Week one, it was like
they would have been, you know, season best type numbers
for them in twenty twenty four. Just like the downset
conversion rate, the amount of times that they were able
to turn a first down at the start of a
drive into another first on or a touchdown seventy five percent,
that would have been a season best for the offense
last year. So la go put them in positions to
sustain drives and score points. They just went able to
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finish some of those drives. And obviously there's a lot
of comfort with this Kevin Stefanski offense from his time
two years ago, and the hope is that you know,
he just gets a little more comfortable, you know, going
through the entirety of training camp and having the preseason
game and now Week one, the hope is that they
just continue to gel a little further and kind of
capitalize on some of these opportunities going forward.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Now, we put a lot of emphasis on Joe to
start right and so but let's let's talk about the
bigger picture here with the quarterback room. This has been
one of the most hotly debated topics just for months now.
Just how long of a leash does Joe Flacco have
before Kevin Stefanski starts looking at other options in the
quarterback room. I'm not naming names.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, I mean, that's a good question because I think
there's a lot of layers to it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You have.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
And I asked the GM Andrew Berry about this, you know,
after being in a training camp, and I say, quite frankly,
you know, a lot of fans would rather you guys
just put Dylan Gabriel and Shad Door Sanders out there
and not really waste your time with Joe Flacke or
or Kate Pigott, who has obviously since been traded to
the Raiders. And Barry said that, you know this, it's
kind of that togal war, that pushing pool of you know,
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the president and the future where you know, like right now,
Joe is president, he probably gives you the best chance
to win right now. But as the owner said, like
it is very very important to see these rookies on
the field in legitimate game action for twenty twenty six
when they have a pair of first round picks. This
opening stretch six team stretch is very, very tough. All
six teams, I believe had winning records. Five of them
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made the playoffs outside of the side of the Bengals,
So I don't think that it's really a spot that
you want to throw a rookie in there. Now. They
do think that Dylan Gabriel is pretty ready to play.
I mean, they gave him first team reps throughout training camp.
They felt comfortable enough to trade Kenny Pickett and make
him the backup. But you know, like so much of
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quarterback success isn't just like isn't just a quarterback, it's
everything around him. So you know, again, you look at
Week one where Joe throws two interceptions, but it's not
really his fault. He did just throughout everything he can
to put them in position to win that game. I
think that he will have a fairly decent leiche but
I think that, like, if the losses do start to
pile up, yeah, there is going to be some talks
with the head coach, the GM, the owner like hey,
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like it's time to see what we got in these
young guys. Maybe start looking ahead to twenty twenty six
and a ways.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Now, speaking of leashes, let's talk about the head coaches
for a second, because we know Kevin Stefanski has had
some level of success with the Browns. He's pulled them
from from the depths of mediocrity and at least got
them to be somewhat respectable.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Again, am I wrong? No? I mean two time Coach
of the Year, two eleven win seasons, posts appearances that
that's completely right.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Thank you for patting that those stats for me there No,
So we look at John Harbaugh as well on the
raven side of things. Both guys are, would you say,
are coaching for their jobs right now?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
This is at least in my circle right now here
in Baltimore, right there are more people than ever talking
about John Harbaugh needs to get to the Super Bowl
to be able to.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Keep his job.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I feel like these are these two coaches are on
opposite sides of the spectrum. Right now, where one is
having so much success but can't get over the hump,
and so people think they might need to have a change. Meanwhile,
Stefanski is trying to make things work to get that
sustained success in order to keep his job.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Do you see where I'm going with this? Yeah, I
mean there are interesting kind of parallels and similarities where
I mean, both of these head coaches have also gotten
kind of voices of approval and support from from their owners.
Like Harball is coming off an extension just this offseason.
I believe Chemists Fancy got one June twenty twenty four,
alongside GM and Drew Berry, so they're kind of tied
at the hip. But yeah, it's an interesting case because
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I would just speak for the Browns situation. That's the
one that I know more in depth. You know, the
owners spoke as well at the beginning of training camp,
and they, especially Jimmy has On, was very very adamant
that he's going to give this time. He has already
talked about the Deshaun Watson trade being a big swing
and miss he took accountability for and with that he
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really like, very plainly said that we need to get
a quarterback, and we know that, you know, we might
not get it this year. What we're going to give
Kevin's time to get that guy. So I think that
for the Browns, they're in a spot where you know,
you know that maybe they're not they're not really contending
this year year, And like they've acknowledged it as much
like Andrew Barry called it a pivot season in a
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way of getting some young guys in. The owner said that,
you know, if it takes a year or two or three,
we're gonna give him some time to do that. So
there is kind of a similar parallel right there. And
for the Browns specifically, it's kind of like how much
losing kind of can you take or you know, how
much how much does he have to win? With Hardbot's
like very clearly like you got to get to the
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super Bowl, and you you know you have to you
have to win the super Bowl and at least like
get to the super Bowl, uh to kind of damp
in and tamp down like the external kind of yells
for his job security and whatnot. But I do see
the parallels right there where like there has been definitely
like within the fan base, like it's like hey, like
it's time to make a change. Like, there's definitely a
segment of the Browns population that it's like, hey, you've
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got in five years one playoff win where you know,
he m wasn't even call him plays because he was
diagnosed with COVID and sideline by that. I definitely there
definitely has been like fan kind of uproar, but it's
kind of coming from two different kind of positions in
a way.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Definitely, and so I wanted to get back more to
the x's and o's here and looking at the running
game last week, Dylan Samson obviously saw a majority of
the carries for the Browns. Does he look like the
long term answer there running back?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Well, he was intended to be part of the long
term solution. You know, he was their fourth throne pick,
but they also took you know, punch On Judkins in
the second round with the number thirty six overaw pick,
and obviously he didn't play in Week one, hasn't really
been with the team, wasn't with the team throughout training
camp because of a domestic violence issue case that ultimately
he wasn't charge for and Prosecular's declined to move forward
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with that he looks like he is potentially setting up
to play on Sunday. He did practice for the first
time today at the meeting with the NFL for investigation
on Wednesday. That was supposed to be like they're kind
of thunder and Lightning one two punch, where Judkins is
kind of like they compared him to Nick Chubb with
his physicality and is between the tackles ability, where Samson
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was kind of the more the electric guy. They think
of him as a kind of also like a a
down guy who can catch passes, and saw him do
a lot of that in a Week one. They didn't
have a lot of success as a whole in in
week went against the Bengals at least just forty nine
total yards two yards per carry, But they do think
there's definitely some opportunities that they can take advantage of it.
And if Judkins is there on Sunday, like that's going
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to go a long way to kind of helping them
reshape this running game that they really set out to
do this offseason.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And look, I guess if they can run against the
Ravens this weekend, they can run against anybody, right, I.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Mean yeah, I mean the Ravens did pretty well, I believe,
and I know that stats off the top of my head,
but I think they did pretty well.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
One hundred and eight yards. They held the Bills to
one hundred and eight rushing yards.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay, I mean I don't know if the yards per
carry was But again, I mean the Ravens have you know,
historically and especially in recent year, has been one of
the better running defenses in the NFL. So yeah, if
they run the ball all well against the Ravens, it's
gonna give them a lot of confidence going forward the
rest of the season that you know they can get
this running game on track.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Now, defensively speaking, what is this defense looking like to you?
And are they better than years past?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yes? Well, all the talking offseason was about the Browns
defense getting back towards twenty twenty three version when they
were arguably you know them and the Ravens were really
done for the top spot in the NFL as far
as the best defenses. You know, it's a little bit
of turnover. No Jeremiah Shue forlmor who you know we
all remember had that really scary neck injury trying to
tackle Derrick Henry Cup last year. He's out for the year.
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Jordan Hicks, the veteran linebacker, he retired, you know, a
couple of days into training camp, so they have a
little bit of youth, especially at the middle of the defense.
They've got Carson Sweesssinger, who is the number thirty three
overall pick. He's holding the green dot relaying the play
cause he's been he's got nothing but rave reviews all
throughout training camp. In his first game, you got Mason
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Graham in the middle of that defense, number five overall pick.
So you got a lot of youths up the spine
of the of the defense. But obviously you still got
Moles Garrett, you still got Denzel Ward on the outside
at cornerback. This is an attacking defense, you know. I
think that this first game against the Bengals like really
the foundation for them potentially moving, you know, going back
to that twenty twoint three version, because they helped us
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Natty to just seven yards in the entire second half.
And that's why I say, like they really should have
won that game. That was the first that was the
fewest amount of yards that team that a winning team
have had in the last twenty five years. So the
defense is looking like, hey, it could again really lead
this team. And you know, again they're an attacking front.
They've had a lot of games against you know, Lamar Jackson.
So like brand Telpitt said, like, we know what he's
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all about, know how to play on but we just
got to go out and execute to do it.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Now, you mentioned Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett signed an extension
this offseason. What did that come as a surprise to
you and the folks in your circles or was that
kind of like, uh, just something that was expected from
the very beginning of talks.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
So it wasn't a surprise that they kind of reconciled.
And because this obviously, you know, this came on the
heels of him, came a month after he requested the trade,
the deal didn't come as a surprise to me because
the Browns could have traded Miles Garrett. You know, I
spoke to you know, people in the know in the
organization and they admitted, like, hey, like we definitely could
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have traded him if we wanted to, but they just
really weren't in a position too because of the way
the cap, the dead cap worked out, and the fact
that they weren't they weren't going to do an outright rebuild.
They've kind of done like a soft reset this year,
but they weren't going to do an outright tear down,
shift down and rebuild. So that really wasn't a surprise
to me. And then I think that everyone kind of
understood on both sides that like coming into the off
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season that Marl was due for some type like he
was going to get a new deal in some type
of way because there was no guaranteed salary remaining. Now
people might say that this was all this kind of
hollering and trade request stuff was to get a new deal,
and I'm like, I don't. I don't necessarily agree with that,
because I think that he had like legitimate concerns that
he wanted, uh to kind of get some some you know,
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to get information on from the team before really recommitting,
and he wouldn't. You know, Again, it's like he was
going to get that deal regardless, Like Browns knew that.
He knew that, So it wasn't really a surprise. But
I say, honestly, the trade in itself, the trade request
and itself, was a surprise to me at first because
he had given so many indications that he really was
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committed to this team despite what it was a really
tough year last year. But again, like he heard some
stuff from the organization. They didn't hear certain stuff in
the organization that led to that trade request. They did
have some talks, and you know, from people that I
that I've talked to you close to him, I think
knowledge that like coming back was always a possibility. Like
he even said, He's like, I hope we can end
an amicably, but I know that, you know, I might
not get what I want, you know, So I feel
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like coming back was always like a little bit of
a possibility, even though he did put out a very
public trade request.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Now you look at this Ravens team, and we talked
at length about it already with Lamar and with Derrick Henry.
When you take those guys out of the equation, you
look at this Ravens offense, who do you think offers
the biggest challenge for the Browns defense?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I mean, that's a good question. I mean I'll point to,
you know, to you guys that Grant Helper really mentioned
we're talking about all the all the inflammatory stuff he said,
but he was also very you know, he's also very
you know, he also did give a lot of praise
to the rate the way that the Ravens have surrounded
Lamar with with a lot of talent, and specifically mentioned
Zave Flowers and Mark Andrews, you know, the way that
Mark Andrews can kind of find those those those soft
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spots in the zones. He's been a big, you know,
red red zone target for him. Obviously, you've seen the
emergency they Flowers in the past couple of years and
then we won, you know, having one hundred and forty
three receiving yards. So I think that both of those guys,
you know, they talk about, you know, they got to
stop the run because the run sets up the past.
But Lamar has shown that like when the run game
maybe isn't there, he can really like put on the
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cape with his with his arm and be effective throwing
the ball downfield. I think those are definitely his two
top targets right now that you know the Browns are
gonna have to watch out for. I think Grant help
it is going to be matched up with with Mark
Andrews a lot. We're gonna see a lot of Dental
award on Jave Flowers and obviously they moved Zay around
a lot, but think we're gonna see that match up
a lot. So those are definitely two guys who you
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know on the Brown side, I know that they're definitely
game planning for to try to shut down that limit.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
All right, now to the other side of the ball,
defensively speaking, I mean, we have we have Kyle Hamilton.
We we know what he's capable of. We know what
Marlon Humphrey is capable of. Who else do you think
offers a challenge for Joe Flacco and the Browns offense
on the Bravens defensive side.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Of the ball. Well, I think that for me, I'm
definitely looking at the matchup in the trenches like this
is a very veteran offensive line for the Browns. But
you know, we spoke to Joe but Tonio, their left
guard today and he talked about how, like you know,
they they do have a lot of different guys that
the faster and presents some challenges, especially when you know
Zach w and the raven defense kind of gets in
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their bag and presents some different uh as or package is.
So I'm looking at, you know, whether that's uh you know,
oh way, whether it's a Kyle van Noy or Mike
Green going up, you can still left tack with Dawan Jones,
who's really been a right tackle for most of his
career but transitioning over to left tackle this season. You know,
I'm curious to see if you're maybe like a speed guy,
you know, always been, always been typically more of a
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speed guy in his career. Mike Green is a speed guy,
but can be speed to power. I'm interested to see,
like what that matchup was like because the first half
of Week one, the Wan Jones is really really good
against Trey Hendrickson, Like he didn't allow a single pressure,
and in the second half, I think he allowed like
seven pressures and that was like all the pressures they
allowed was in the second half. And obviously they Bengals
made some adjustments, but definitely I'm interested to see, like
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what they do on the edge because it's like it's
a much different like past rush kind of plan. You know,
from week one to week two. If you're the Ravens
for a week one, it's more about containing making sure
that Josh Allen doesn't break the pocket, whereas like if
you you know, kind of do an outside rush with
flag or you're not necessarily worried about him breaking the
pocket and you know, losing contain and whatnot. So definitely
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interested for that left tackle matchup and whoever is lined
up against Jwan Jones.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Now, Daniel, do you think I can convince you to
give me a score prediction?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Oh? Man, usually so we don't usually do score predictions
with me at ESPN, But I will say, I will say,
I do think that the Ravens are going to win.
And I do think that I do think that. You know,
when I look at that spread, I'm thinking, like I
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could see a situation where, you know, the Ravens cover.
It's a it's two teams coming off, you know, very
emotional losses, games that both teams think that they should
have won. But I just think that and the Browns
have played the Ravens tough in years past, but I
think that it's a completely different matchup defensively, offensively, Raven's
gonna be at home home opener. You know, we got
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the whole thirtyth an version celebration and kind of the
controversy around that doing it against Cleveland. You know, Ozzie
Newson is going to be the legend of the game.
Joe's gonna get his kind of recognition. I don't know.
I think that's gonna be a lot of juice in there,
and I think that ultimately, I think that the home
team comes out on top. I like it.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Well, you know, the battle of two zero to one
AFC North franchises.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It's gonna be a good game.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It's gonna be a heck of a week.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Two.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Daniel, thank you so much. Tell everybody where they can
find all your stuff real quick, obviously if it was
if it wasn't obvious enough.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously. You can find my work
at ESPN on ESPN dot com. Can follow me everyone
on social media at Daniel O yafuci o y e
f USI.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
All right, Daniel, thank you so much, and maybe we'll
touch base for the second matchup this season.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Sound good? Sound good to me? Man?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
All right, thank you everybody for tuning in. This has
been the extra point show. I'm Vasilios. We'll catch you
guys next time. Hopefully the Ravens are one and one.
See you later.
Hi, I'm Jerry Sandusky, voice of the Baltimore Ravens tot
up and you're listening to the Extra Point Show.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome into the Extra Point Show, everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm Vasilio's thank you so much for being here today.
I hope you guys are ready to preview this Browns
Ravens matchup that we got coming up week two. Daniel
Oyafusi of ESPN is joining us to give a little
insight on the Brown side of things. Before we get
to that, we have to address the elephant in the room.
There's a little something that happened on Sunday Night football
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that we might have to catch up on. Jerry Sandusky
and Rod Woodson on the radio call Let's check.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
It takes the snap, deep drop looking for the end zone,
drifting to the right, grow to the end zone, tip
and part on the deflection. As Buffalo gets the tip
ball touchdown for a key. J Coleman and the Bills
aren't done yet. My formation, give us to Henry left side.
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Nothing there. He bumbles the ball, a loose ball at
the thirty yard line. The officials converge on the pile
and the Bills have recovered. Alan undersaid him third and
goal from an inch away. He leaps and breaks the
goal line. Touchdown Buffalo and they got to go for choos.
Jordan Stout will punt Brandon Codriton awaits Dalla Whit's a wobbler.
(01:30):
He bounces it at the twenty and we'll go out
of bound. We'll see where they market now. The Ravens
bring a blitz. Josh Allen's pass complete a key on
Coleman at the fifteen, tripped up and taken down to ten,
a touchdown saving tackle by Jayir Alexander. But Buffalo is
in scoring range.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You bring a blitz. You have to be inside as
a corner.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Clock is down to five. The Bills are going to
exhaust the clock. And here's the kick from thirty two.
Matt Prater's kick is up. It is good and on
the final play of the game, the Buffalo Bills have
defeated the Ravens forty one to forty following a gut
wrenching fourth quarter collapsed by the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Joining me now to discuss the Browns and Ravens upcoming
Week two matchup. Daniel OYOFUSI of ESPN dot com. How
you doing, brother? You live in big time over at ESPN.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Now, huh, not big time, not big time at all.
But it's definitely good to see you.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It's been a while, likewise, man, And so I have
to ask, because we just we just listened to uh
to Jerry and Rod Woodson on the radio call. Did
you catch any of the Sunday night football game between
the Ravens and the Bills.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I caught every second of it, and it was funny
when Derek You rushed for that second touchdown I think,
to make it like forty to twenty five. I was like, Oh,
this is the game over. There may be in like
maybe ten minutes left or something like that in the
in the fourth quarter, I'm like, oh, this is this
is game over. At Maybe I'm like too far moved
from the Ravens bead and too far moved from like
living in Baltimore, because obviously we saw what happen over
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the last ten minutes and that was what we've seen
a lot over the past couple of years. Yeah, that
was that was definitely like brought back some memories of
you know, the Miami game and the Dolphins game in
Baltimore a couple of years back, and stuff. Like that
for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, I mean, I just I can't get over how
how awfully that ended in just a uncharacteristic Derrick Henry
fumble and just the lax defense seeming to be played.
But we'll move on from there before I go too
much into a tingent on what I think happened. If
you want, you could read more of that because I
posted it like three times on Twitter. But anyway, speaking
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of Derrick Henry, I saw just a couple of hours ago,
you and Jamison Hensley collaborated on an article on ESPN
dot com. Granton Delpit said, Derrick Henry is easy to tackle.
What say you, Daniel YAFUSI, I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I'll say this the Browns. You know, if they're only one.
We know the history of the Browns, especially over the
past couple dars in the struggles they've had, But I
mean when they faced Derrick Henry in recent years, they've
they've had some some pretty decent success. I think two
of the last three matchups since Jim Schwartz became defensive
coordinator have held them under seventy five rushing yards. So
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you know, maybe they have reason to feel a little confident.
I mean, I'm not expecting them to back down. And
it's funny because when players get asked these questions, it's like,
I'll like, you're talking to Jerry Judy about he's given
me a hard time for tweeting out his his quote
that blew up as well about no challenges from the
rising second or secondary, and he's like, what do you
want me to say? I'm like, I respect it. That's
why I didn't ask you that, Like, I'm not expecting
you to bow down to these guys and be overwhelmingly
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complimentary and flowery and your praise of them. So yeah, Grant, Ope,
it is one of those guys on defense. Regardless of
how the team's record may be, he's gonna have a
lot of confidence. He's going to feel really good. He's
always good for one little SoundBite quote, one liner. He
had one last week where he said the bands are
alfen toalone's going to be in for a tough day.
So that was just the one liner for this week.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
And so look the other big storyline, right, Joe Flacco
coming back to town as the starting quarterback for the Browns.
Have you have you picked Joe's brain about that at all?
What are his thoughts I know, and I think I
saw something that said he's just saying it's just another game,
but I feel like there's a little more to it
than that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah. So I actually spoke to him a couple of
weeks ago for a story that's actually gonna come out
Friday morning. You know, Jake Trotter, who took over for
in Cleveland, had been working on a story kind of
these vignettes and anecdotes of Joe Flack on how he
became Joe Cool in Baltimore and like talking to former
teammates and coaches about his time with the Ravens. Jamison
(05:47):
as well helped me out with that story and I
kind of tied it together. It was kind of a
cool kind of project to bring back to life, especially
with me being a former Ravens feed writer and being
from Baltimore really growing up, really coming up during that
Joe Flacker era. So I spoke to him a little
bit for that story and he was like, yeah, like,
it's gonna be really cool. He was talking to Dennis
Pitta and Tod's about having all their families and friends
there for and obviously like this week he talked about,
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you know, really wanted to keep the focus on the game.
But and he's mentioned that he's not one, so I
really like live in the moment. He really appreciates things
after the fact. But I think he definitely is looking
forward to His father said as much, and and me personally,
I think I hope that he does maybe you know,
pregame or I don't know if they're gonna have like
a video montage Trump during the game, but maybe if
I for a quick second, he kind of soaks in.
(06:30):
But I think it's going to be a really great,
uh you know, reception from that fan base. I think
that'd be really cool for everything that he's done for
this organization. I hope so too. Man.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
It's like I think about it. Joe Flacco was drafted
to the Baltimore Ravens when I was in fifth grade,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You have told him that. I told I told him
Joe that. I was like when we finished the interview,
I was like, I don't want to I don't want
to date you, man. But I was in fifth grade
and he was like, oh man, I'm like seventeen year later,
like I missed him by one missed covering him by
one year. When I was back in Baltimore. Then you know,
he's still stuck around somehow four years old, and I'm like, yeah,
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I want to date you. But like I was ten
years old and the Ravens drafted Drew and he's still
in the league now, and he's like, oh man, I'm
all back. Yeah, no, I'm right there with you.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But I mean, let's talk about his performance last week.
And we know the Browns ended up losing by one
point seventeen to sixteen into the Bengals, but it seems
like they they battled and they performed a lot better
than a lot of folks thought they would against against
Cincinnati and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, it was a game that they
should have won. You know, when you look at a
lot of self inflicted mistakes. You have missed extra point
by the kicker, Andre Smid, and then he misses a
go ahead thirty six yard field goal in the fourth
quarter late when the fourth fourth throughout two minutes left,
and then you have the two flat o interceptions which
really weren't his fault, both of them going right off
both hands of his receivers and ended up being picked
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off by Bengals defenders. It's just a lot of self
inflicted mistakes and errors. Flat did what really, like we've
seen him do all through our training camp, really what
he did, you know, So maybe a little lesser extent
in twenty twenty three, which is like just operating the
offense and putting them in positions to to score points.
I mean, the bar coming off last year for this
offense was just so low, and you know, some of
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the numbers coming out of Week one, it was like
they would have been, you know, season best type numbers
for them in twenty twenty four. Just like the downset
conversion rate, the amount of times that they were able
to turn a first down at the start of a
drive into another first on or a touchdown seventy five percent,
that would have been a season best for the offense
last year. So la go put them in positions to
sustain drives and score points. They just went able to
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finish some of those drives. And obviously there's a lot
of comfort with this Kevin Stefanski offense from his time
two years ago, and the hope is that you know,
he just gets a little more comfortable, you know, going
through the entirety of training camp and having the preseason
game and now Week one, the hope is that they
just continue to gel a little further and kind of
capitalize on some of these opportunities going forward.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Now, we put a lot of emphasis on Joe to
start right and so but let's let's talk about the
bigger picture here with the quarterback room. This has been
one of the most hotly debated topics just for months now.
Just how long of a leash does Joe Flacco have
before Kevin Stefanski starts looking at other options in the
quarterback room. I'm not naming names.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, I mean, that's a good question because I think
there's a lot of layers to it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You have.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
And I asked the GM Andrew Berry about this, you know,
after being in a training camp, and I say, quite frankly,
you know, a lot of fans would rather you guys
just put Dylan Gabriel and Shad Door Sanders out there
and not really waste your time with Joe Flacke or
or Kate Pigott, who has obviously since been traded to
the Raiders. And Barry said that, you know this, it's
kind of that togal war, that pushing pool of you know,
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the president and the future where you know, like right now,
Joe is president, he probably gives you the best chance
to win right now. But as the owner said, like
it is very very important to see these rookies on
the field in legitimate game action for twenty twenty six
when they have a pair of first round picks. This
opening stretch six team stretch is very, very tough. All
six teams, I believe had winning records. Five of them
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made the playoffs outside of the side of the Bengals,
So I don't think that it's really a spot that
you want to throw a rookie in there. Now. They
do think that Dylan Gabriel is pretty ready to play.
I mean, they gave him first team reps throughout training camp.
They felt comfortable enough to trade Kenny Pickett and make
him the backup. But you know, like so much of
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quarterback success isn't just like isn't just a quarterback, it's
everything around him. So you know, again, you look at
Week one where Joe throws two interceptions, but it's not
really his fault. He did just throughout everything he can
to put them in position to win that game. I
think that he will have a fairly decent leiche but
I think that, like, if the losses do start to
pile up, yeah, there is going to be some talks
with the head coach, the GM, the owner like hey,
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like it's time to see what we got in these
young guys. Maybe start looking ahead to twenty twenty six
and a ways.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Now, speaking of leashes, let's talk about the head coaches
for a second, because we know Kevin Stefanski has had
some level of success with the Browns. He's pulled them
from from the depths of mediocrity and at least got
them to be somewhat respectable.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Again, am I wrong? No? I mean two time Coach
of the Year, two eleven win seasons, posts appearances that
that's completely right.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Thank you for patting that those stats for me there No,
So we look at John Harbaugh as well on the
raven side of things. Both guys are, would you say,
are coaching for their jobs right now?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
This is at least in my circle right now here
in Baltimore, right there are more people than ever talking
about John Harbaugh needs to get to the Super Bowl
to be able to.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Keep his job.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I feel like these are these two coaches are on
opposite sides of the spectrum. Right now, where one is
having so much success but can't get over the hump,
and so people think they might need to have a change. Meanwhile,
Stefanski is trying to make things work to get that
sustained success in order to keep his job.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Do you see where I'm going with this? Yeah, I
mean there are interesting kind of parallels and similarities where
I mean, both of these head coaches have also gotten
kind of voices of approval and support from from their owners.
Like Harball is coming off an extension just this offseason.
I believe Chemists Fancy got one June twenty twenty four,
alongside GM and Drew Berry, so they're kind of tied
at the hip. But yeah, it's an interesting case because
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I would just speak for the Browns situation. That's the
one that I know more in depth. You know, the
owners spoke as well at the beginning of training camp,
and they, especially Jimmy has On, was very very adamant
that he's going to give this time. He has already
talked about the Deshaun Watson trade being a big swing
and miss he took accountability for and with that he
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really like, very plainly said that we need to get
a quarterback, and we know that, you know, we might
not get it this year. What we're going to give
Kevin's time to get that guy. So I think that
for the Browns, they're in a spot where you know,
you know that maybe they're not they're not really contending
this year year, And like they've acknowledged it as much
like Andrew Barry called it a pivot season in a
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way of getting some young guys in. The owner said that,
you know, if it takes a year or two or three,
we're gonna give him some time to do that. So
there is kind of a similar parallel right there. And
for the Browns specifically, it's kind of like how much
losing kind of can you take or you know, how
much how much does he have to win? With Hardbot's
like very clearly like you got to get to the
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super Bowl, and you you know you have to you
have to win the super Bowl and at least like
get to the super Bowl, uh to kind of damp
in and tamp down like the external kind of yells
for his job security and whatnot. But I do see
the parallels right there where like there has been definitely
like within the fan base, like it's like hey, like
it's time to make a change. Like, there's definitely a
segment of the Browns population that it's like, hey, you've
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got in five years one playoff win where you know,
he m wasn't even call him plays because he was
diagnosed with COVID and sideline by that. I definitely there
definitely has been like fan kind of uproar, but it's
kind of coming from two different kind of positions in
a way.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Definitely, and so I wanted to get back more to
the x's and o's here and looking at the running
game last week, Dylan Samson obviously saw a majority of
the carries for the Browns. Does he look like the
long term answer there running back?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Well, he was intended to be part of the long
term solution. You know, he was their fourth throne pick,
but they also took you know, punch On Judkins in
the second round with the number thirty six overaw pick,
and obviously he didn't play in Week one, hasn't really
been with the team, wasn't with the team throughout training
camp because of a domestic violence issue case that ultimately
he wasn't charge for and Prosecular's declined to move forward
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with that he looks like he is potentially setting up
to play on Sunday. He did practice for the first
time today at the meeting with the NFL for investigation
on Wednesday. That was supposed to be like they're kind
of thunder and Lightning one two punch, where Judkins is
kind of like they compared him to Nick Chubb with
his physicality and is between the tackles ability, where Samson
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was kind of the more the electric guy. They think
of him as a kind of also like a a
down guy who can catch passes, and saw him do
a lot of that in a Week one. They didn't
have a lot of success as a whole in in
week went against the Bengals at least just forty nine
total yards two yards per carry, But they do think
there's definitely some opportunities that they can take advantage of it.
And if Judkins is there on Sunday, like that's going
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to go a long way to kind of helping them
reshape this running game that they really set out to
do this offseason.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And look, I guess if they can run against the
Ravens this weekend, they can run against anybody, right, I.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Mean yeah, I mean the Ravens did pretty well, I believe,
and I know that stats off the top of my head,
but I think they did pretty well.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
One hundred and eight yards. They held the Bills to
one hundred and eight rushing yards.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay, I mean I don't know if the yards per
carry was But again, I mean the Ravens have you know,
historically and especially in recent year, has been one of
the better running defenses in the NFL. So yeah, if
they run the ball all well against the Ravens, it's
gonna give them a lot of confidence going forward the
rest of the season that you know they can get
this running game on track.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Now, defensively speaking, what is this defense looking like to you?
And are they better than years past?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yes? Well, all the talking offseason was about the Browns
defense getting back towards twenty twenty three version when they
were arguably you know them and the Ravens were really
done for the top spot in the NFL as far
as the best defenses. You know, it's a little bit
of turnover. No Jeremiah Shue forlmor who you know we
all remember had that really scary neck injury trying to
tackle Derrick Henry Cup last year. He's out for the year.
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Jordan Hicks, the veteran linebacker, he retired, you know, a
couple of days into training camp, so they have a
little bit of youth, especially at the middle of the defense.
They've got Carson Sweesssinger, who is the number thirty three
overall pick. He's holding the green dot relaying the play
cause he's been he's got nothing but rave reviews all
throughout training camp. In his first game, you got Mason
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Graham in the middle of that defense, number five overall pick.
So you got a lot of youths up the spine
of the of the defense. But obviously you still got
Moles Garrett, you still got Denzel Ward on the outside
at cornerback. This is an attacking defense, you know. I
think that this first game against the Bengals like really
the foundation for them potentially moving, you know, going back
to that twenty twoint three version, because they helped us
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Natty to just seven yards in the entire second half.
And that's why I say, like they really should have
won that game. That was the first that was the
fewest amount of yards that team that a winning team
have had in the last twenty five years. So the
defense is looking like, hey, it could again really lead
this team. And you know, again they're an attacking front.
They've had a lot of games against you know, Lamar Jackson.
So like brand Telpitt said, like, we know what he's
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all about, know how to play on but we just
got to go out and execute to do it.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Now, you mentioned Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett signed an extension
this offseason. What did that come as a surprise to
you and the folks in your circles or was that
kind of like, uh, just something that was expected from
the very beginning of talks.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
So it wasn't a surprise that they kind of reconciled.
And because this obviously, you know, this came on the
heels of him, came a month after he requested the trade,
the deal didn't come as a surprise to me because
the Browns could have traded Miles Garrett. You know, I
spoke to you know, people in the know in the
organization and they admitted, like, hey, like we definitely could
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have traded him if we wanted to, but they just
really weren't in a position too because of the way
the cap, the dead cap worked out, and the fact
that they weren't they weren't going to do an outright rebuild.
They've kind of done like a soft reset this year,
but they weren't going to do an outright tear down,
shift down and rebuild. So that really wasn't a surprise
to me. And then I think that everyone kind of
understood on both sides that like coming into the off
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season that Marl was due for some type like he
was going to get a new deal in some type
of way because there was no guaranteed salary remaining. Now
people might say that this was all this kind of
hollering and trade request stuff was to get a new deal,
and I'm like, I don't. I don't necessarily agree with that,
because I think that he had like legitimate concerns that
he wanted, uh to kind of get some some you know,
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to get information on from the team before really recommitting,
and he wouldn't. You know, Again, it's like he was
going to get that deal regardless, Like Browns knew that.
He knew that, So it wasn't really a surprise. But
I say, honestly, the trade in itself, the trade request
and itself, was a surprise to me at first because
he had given so many indications that he really was
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committed to this team despite what it was a really
tough year last year. But again, like he heard some
stuff from the organization. They didn't hear certain stuff in
the organization that led to that trade request. They did
have some talks, and you know, from people that I
that I've talked to you close to him, I think
knowledge that like coming back was always a possibility. Like
he even said, He's like, I hope we can end
an amicably, but I know that, you know, I might
not get what I want, you know, So I feel
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like coming back was always like a little bit of
a possibility, even though he did put out a very
public trade request.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Now you look at this Ravens team, and we talked
at length about it already with Lamar and with Derrick Henry.
When you take those guys out of the equation, you
look at this Ravens offense, who do you think offers
the biggest challenge for the Browns defense?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I mean, that's a good question. I mean I'll point to,
you know, to you guys that Grant Helper really mentioned
we're talking about all the all the inflammatory stuff he said,
but he was also very you know, he's also very
you know, he also did give a lot of praise
to the rate the way that the Ravens have surrounded
Lamar with with a lot of talent, and specifically mentioned
Zave Flowers and Mark Andrews, you know, the way that
Mark Andrews can kind of find those those those soft
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spots in the zones. He's been a big, you know,
red red zone target for him. Obviously, you've seen the
emergency they Flowers in the past couple of years and
then we won, you know, having one hundred and forty
three receiving yards. So I think that both of those guys,
you know, they talk about, you know, they got to
stop the run because the run sets up the past.
But Lamar has shown that like when the run game
maybe isn't there, he can really like put on the
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cape with his with his arm and be effective throwing
the ball downfield. I think those are definitely his two
top targets right now that you know the Browns are
gonna have to watch out for. I think Grant help
it is going to be matched up with with Mark
Andrews a lot. We're gonna see a lot of Dental
award on Jave Flowers and obviously they moved Zay around
a lot, but think we're gonna see that match up
a lot. So those are definitely two guys who you
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know on the Brown side, I know that they're definitely
game planning for to try to shut down that limit.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
All right, now to the other side of the ball,
defensively speaking, I mean, we have we have Kyle Hamilton.
We we know what he's capable of. We know what
Marlon Humphrey is capable of. Who else do you think
offers a challenge for Joe Flacco and the Browns offense
on the Bravens defensive side.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Of the ball. Well, I think that for me, I'm
definitely looking at the matchup in the trenches like this
is a very veteran offensive line for the Browns. But
you know, we spoke to Joe but Tonio, their left
guard today and he talked about how, like you know,
they they do have a lot of different guys that
the faster and presents some challenges, especially when you know
Zach w and the raven defense kind of gets in
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their bag and presents some different uh as or package is.
So I'm looking at, you know, whether that's uh you know,
oh way, whether it's a Kyle van Noy or Mike
Green going up, you can still left tack with Dawan Jones,
who's really been a right tackle for most of his
career but transitioning over to left tackle this season. You know,
I'm curious to see if you're maybe like a speed guy,
you know, always been, always been typically more of a
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speed guy in his career. Mike Green is a speed guy,
but can be speed to power. I'm interested to see,
like what that matchup was like because the first half
of Week one, the Wan Jones is really really good
against Trey Hendrickson, Like he didn't allow a single pressure,
and in the second half, I think he allowed like
seven pressures and that was like all the pressures they
allowed was in the second half. And obviously they Bengals
made some adjustments, but definitely I'm interested to see, like
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what they do on the edge because it's like it's
a much different like past rush kind of plan. You know,
from week one to week two. If you're the Ravens
for a week one, it's more about containing making sure
that Josh Allen doesn't break the pocket, whereas like if
you you know, kind of do an outside rush with
flag or you're not necessarily worried about him breaking the
pocket and you know, losing contain and whatnot. So definitely
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interested for that left tackle matchup and whoever is lined
up against Jwan Jones.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Now, Daniel, do you think I can convince you to
give me a score prediction?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Oh? Man, usually so we don't usually do score predictions
with me at ESPN, But I will say, I will say,
I do think that the Ravens are going to win.
And I do think that I do think that. You know,
when I look at that spread, I'm thinking, like I
(23:24):
could see a situation where, you know, the Ravens cover.
It's a it's two teams coming off, you know, very
emotional losses, games that both teams think that they should
have won. But I just think that and the Browns
have played the Ravens tough in years past, but I
think that it's a completely different matchup defensively, offensively, Raven's
gonna be at home home opener. You know, we got
(23:45):
the whole thirtyth an version celebration and kind of the
controversy around that doing it against Cleveland. You know, Ozzie
Newson is going to be the legend of the game.
Joe's gonna get his kind of recognition. I don't know.
I think that's gonna be a lot of juice in there,
and I think that ultimately, I think that the home
team comes out on top. I like it.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Well, you know, the battle of two zero to one
AFC North franchises.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It's gonna be a good game.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It's gonna be a heck of a week.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Two.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Daniel, thank you so much. Tell everybody where they can
find all your stuff real quick, obviously if it was
if it wasn't obvious enough.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously. You can find my work
at ESPN on ESPN dot com. Can follow me everyone
on social media at Daniel O yafuci o y e
f USI.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
All right, Daniel, thank you so much, and maybe we'll
touch base for the second matchup this season.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Sound good? Sound good to me? Man?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
All right, thank you everybody for tuning in. This has
been the extra point show. I'm Vasilios. We'll catch you
guys next time. Hopefully the Ravens are one and one.
See you later.
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