September 10, 2025 • 59 mins
In this episode, we feature David Ray Griffin’s lecture The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. Griffin, a respected scholar and theologian, methodically examines the official 9/11 report, highlighting contradictions, overlooked evidence, and what he argues are deliberate omissions. This thought-provoking presentation challenges listeners to re-examine the events of September 11th and consider whether the official narrative holds up under scrutiny.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production. You're listening
to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is your host,
Steuge Hubbs.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
for yet another edition of our classic audio series. As
we record this, we're less than twenty four hours away
from the twenty fourth anniversary of nine to eleven. Tonight,
we revisit David ray Griffin's powerful lecture entitled the nine
to eleven Commission Report, Omissions and Distortions, where he challenges,
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of course, the official narrative and exposes what he argues
are clearing gaps, huge contradictions, and deliberate cover ups. Without
any further ado, here is the great David ray Griffin.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We are fortunate to have with us today, a courageous
scholar who asks these important questions in a clear, logical
and dispassionate tone. Please join me in welcoming David ray Griffin.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Thank you. I was just going to ask if you
want to stand up for fifteen seconds and have your opportunity. Well,
I'm pleased to be able to say, Paul, I've actually
finished the book now, so it should be out in
about six weeks. I hope with regard to our topic today,
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truth and politics. Some people may wonder people maybe outside
this room, but is there anything in the nine to
eleven Commission report that is under true? And now that
I've finished the book, my big question is can I
find a true sentence in the book? That may sound extreme,
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but if you don't take it too literally, and if
you realize a sentence is a part of a paragraph,
which is a part of the argument, then it is
hard to find any truth there. And so what I'm
going to do this afternoon is just go through and
give you some examples. But to get an idea of
my audience, how many people here have read some of
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the nine to eleven Commission report? About half of you?
And now also let me ask, and no grading on this,
no going to purgatory, but how many have read some
of my book at least? Oh? Well? Well, great, okay,
a group gets an a One thing to understand about
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the report is that, you know, we quite often name
commissions after the leader. So we had the Rumsfeldt Commission
on the space program so on, So quite often this
is called the Kine Commission, but it should be called
the Kane Zelikow Commission because the executive director is Philip Zelikow.
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He was a member of the Bush one administration. He
got to know Condalisa Rice very well there. They both
served on the National Security Council when they were between
administrations during the Clinton years, they wrote a book together.
When the Bush two administration was coming into power, she
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brought him on to help with the transition, and then
he was appointed to the Foreign Advisory Board for so
he is essentially a member of the Boush White House.
And yet as executive director he ran the Commission. He
had a staff of seventy some He assigned them which
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topics were worth looking into and which ones were not.
He assigned. When people would come and say, I want
to testify to the Commission. I have something important to say,
he would decide who would take that testimony, and so on.
Let me get an example, just one tiny example of
how important that is. There's a new book out by
Peter Lance called Cover Up and Peter Good Patriot that
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he is went to testify because he had some important
information about Ramsey Yusef, remember the masterminded the nineteen ninety
three bombing of the World Trade Center. He was also
the mastermind of the Bojinka project that they discovered in Manila.
And he also was the one who came up with
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plans idea of using planes for weapons, so he is
the mastermind. Peter went to give testimony, and his testimony
was going to contradict some of the things that showed
up that were in the prosecution's case in nineteen ninety
six when they prosecuted Ramsey Yusef who took Peter Lance's testimony,
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Dietrich Schnell one of the two prosecutors of that you
have that trial. So that is an example of how
the executive director could skew. And Peter said he got
a mole inside the Commission, somebody who was very unhappy
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on the staff, who was unhappy with the way things
were going. And they would meet and he would tell
Peter what was going on. And he said that Zeleikal
just runs the whole commission. That there are these leadership teams,
and and six out of the seventeams, he said, are
completely controlled by Zelikal. Only one team, run by John Farmer,
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was not and they were butting heads all the time.
There are other examples, like at the Commission report, people
would say tell us about the wargames, and they would
ask the commissioners, why didn't you deal with the wargames
and the commissioner said, oh, well we were told that
was unimportant. Well by whom were they told. So you
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essentially have the nine to eleven commission. It's the White
House investigating itself. And furthermore, as Peter points out, the staff.
You know, you think, oh, they got a staff there.
It's a bunch of people who know how to do research.
If probably you know, university students and so no x FBI,
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x CIA, X Department of Justice, nine members from the
Department of Justice. Ashcroft. Yeah, so they've got their friends
back on there. So when you wonder why are no
names named, got people on there protecting their friends, protecting
their institutions that they're still proud of, or they want
to have the public to have a good point. So
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from the very beginning, this was a doomed commission. It
was not a commission to get the truth. Once you
realize that these things won't shock you quite as much.
But even then, even knowing that, I was still shocked
at the number of omissions and the audacity of some
of the distortions. So let me go through these some
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of these, starting right out on the very first pages,
they start telling you about the hijackers. What they don't
tell you and they give you the names, and in
the middle of the book you can see their pictures.
What they don't tell you is that six, at least
six of those men are still alive. Some of them have,
like Wally Shira, walked into the embassy and here I am.
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I'm not dead, nevertheless, and some of them were interviewed
by the BBC and London newspapers and nevertheless they're in there.
And this Wally Shier, they have him on flight eleven
and they say, we believe he's one of the ones
who stabbed some of the people who were stabbed. Just
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a total disregard of well known facts, just omit that
there's any problem with the identity of the hijackers. Likewise,
they failed to mention Daniel Hopsiker has written a whole
book about Muhammadada shown he was not a devout Muslim.
You know, the image we have here are these radical
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fundamentalists Muslims. They're ready to meet their maker. Auta loved alcohol,
pork and prostitutes. And the Commission says, we're puzzled. These
guys go to Las Vegas. We've not found any credible reason. Well,
they loved lap Dan says. You know, another hijacker, alleged
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hijacker is Honey Honjour, and they tell us he was
chosen to fly Fight seventy seven, the one that was
going to hit the Pentagon, because he was their best pilot.
Honey Honjour could not fly any kind of airplane. He
would go up in his lessons and the next time
the guy wouldn't go up with him. He says, you
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can't fly. He was known as a horrible pilot, even
with a little plane, and yet he was alleged to
fly this Boeing seventy seven seven fifty seven and make
this amazing spiral, come down and come in at ground
level four hundred miles an hour into the Pentagon. You know,
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the best pilots in the world, some of them have
looked at that and said, I don't think I could
do that. Honey h juror could not fly this. When
they do mention it's money thing. They mentioned this and
then they just ignore it, and they have President Bush
a maze. You know, boy, this was some pilot. You
know the flight manifest We've never publicly seen flight manifest
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that show that any of the So it's not just
the six. We don't know that any of the nineteen
men named or actually on these flights. None of this
is mentioned, is not mentioned and refuted, is just not mentioned.
So that's why I call it omissions, and some people
call it the nine to eleven omission commission. Let me
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give another example, the World Trade Center. They hardly discuss
the question of these enormous buildings coming down. They don't
discuss any of the problems. One problem is, never before
in history have steel framed high rise buildings collapsed because
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of fire. Now, some people said, well, one just fire,
these big planes hit on Well, people have looked at this.
That's insignificant. Besides, no plane hit Building number seven, which
is a forty seven story skyscraper and it came down. Also, Furthermore,
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even if you were going to have fire weak in
the building would have to be enormous fires. They would
have to be very hot, not ordinary hydrocarbon fires that
you get from kerosene, which is what jet fuel is,
and they would have to be very long lasting. These
fires didn't last. That South Tower came down in fifty
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seven minutes, an enormous number amount of steel in one
hundred and ten story building that is steel framed inside
and outside, and yet they're telling us the now. The
only thing they mentioned here they mentioned that South tower
collapsed in ten seconds. Can you imagine how fire would
bring down one hundred and ten story building in free
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fall speed? And that's what it is. Also, the wrong
tower collapsed first. The North tower was hit first, and
so if it's fire that's bringing it down, it takes
a while for the fire to heat up the steel.
The North tower should have collapsed first. The South tower
also had a much smaller fire because the plane hit
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it at the angle at the corner, and so most
of the fuel went outside and burned up. So that
enormous fireball you see, You say, boy, what an enormous fire, Well, yeah,
for about fifteen seconds and it's burnt up, and so
there's not much fuel to keep the fire going in
the South tower, and yet it collapses within fifty seven minutes.
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They one of the places whether where you just know
they're absolutely lying and cheating, is they give you an
account that makes it sound plausible that these towers could
have come down they tell you that in the core
of each building was a hollow shaft that was just
filled with elevators and staircases. Yeah, and forty seven massive
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steel columns. That's what the world trade these buildings were
all about. This was this unique structure at the time,
these forty seven massive steel things going up into the air,
so massive at the bottom. So even if you accepted
the official theory, which is a pancake theory, that somehow
the connectors between the columns in the middle and then
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the peripheral beams around the building, somehow those snapped and
then the floors came down, and that floor was so
heavy it hit the NT just going down. Can you
imagine that having ten seconds? And even if it did,
it's just like if in the old records when the
records fell on the spindle, and those of you who
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are old enough to remember those, the spindle's still there.
So why aren't those forty seven towers still sticking up
in the air, but the pictures show that they totally collapse.
You have something that's no more than three stories high.
You should have had. I mean, it just total dishonesty
to deny the existence of those massive columns and then
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they don't even mention that building number seven collapsed. There's
not a word about it. Everybody admits there is no
explanation for why building number seven collapsed. In most cities,
this would have been one of the This had been
the biggest building, forty seven stories high. It can be
ignored only because it was next to the towers. And
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FEMA says they come up with this lame explanation of
how this building came down. They said, the only explanation
we can come up with has a very low probability
of occurrence. That there's no answer. So rather than telling you,
like an honest report would we're surprised, we're puzzled why
building number seven collapsed. There's no good answer. They just
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don't even mention that it collapsed. They don't tell you that.
Larry Silverstein, the owner virtually of the building and the
builder of it, said on a PBS station report, well,
at a certain point, the fire chief and I got
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together and we said, you know, there's been so much
loss of life, let's not take any chances, and we
decided to pull it. Maybe this smartest things to do
us is pullet And they made that decision to pull
the pullet is the slang for bringing it down by
control demolition. So he admits it in public. It's it's
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well known in you know, it's mentioned in any like
my book and other books, and all the books that
people sent to the commission, assuming they wanted to know
the truth, and they don't mention, they don't bring in
Larry Silverstein and said, why did you say that? What
do you mean by that? Isn't that what a commission
looking for the truth might do? Likewise, Juliani said, we
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knew that the towers were going to collapse, so we
got the people out of building number seven. How did
he know? The tower buildings have never collapsed before in history?
How could have he known twin towers are going to collapse.
They didn't ask him that. They treated him as a
hero when he comes into the commission. They fell all
over themselves praising Rudy Giuliani as the great hero they meant.
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So what I'm getting at here, those of you who
haven't read it, is that the all three collapses were
pretty close to classic examples of what they call control demolition,
when when dynamite or some kind of explosives are placed
throughout the building at all the crucial points, and then
they put them on a computer and they bring them
down in a certain order, and therefore the building comes
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straight down so it doesn't fall on these other buildings,
and they come down in virtually free fall speed. And
that's what happened here, all three buildings. You can see
him on all sorts of places on the website. You
don't see him on TV anymore. They showed him the
first night, and Dan rather you know, bless his soul,
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comes right out and blurts out the truth. He says, oh,
that looks just like controlled demolition. The nine to eleven
Commission also does not tell you that Marvin Bush, President's
brother and their cousin word Walker, were the principles of
the company that was in charge of security for the
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World Trade Center. They don't man all sorts of coincidences here.
They also don't tell you that there were many reports
of people who worked in the building saying, you know,
we got a shutdown order, so for three days we
couldn't go in the World Trade Center. There there were
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engineers coming in and out. We didn't know what okay.
Moving right along to the Pentagon, they don't tell you
that they do mention that it was the west wing
of the Pentagon that was hit. They don't mention that
for terrorists who wanted to really strike a blow at
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the Pentagon, the west wing was the least likely part
to hit. Why because all the big brass are in
the east wing. That's where Rumsfeld and all the general
the top generals are. Furthermore, the west wing was being renovated,
so it was reinforced so the fire wouldn't spread to
the rest of the building. Also, there were very few
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people there, and so although it's tragic that one hundred
and twenty five people on the ground were killed, several
thousand would have been killed if the plane had hit
any other well, if it had been a plane, we'll
come to that later if but even what it was,
it would have killed several hundred and maybe thousand if
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it had been an ordinary place. And also terrorists would
want to kill Pentagon workers. Most of the people killed
were civilians who were there working on their renovation. Furthermore,
as I said, you had to do, it was the
hardest place of the Pentagon to hit. You've got this
huge Pentagon here with acres. All you had to do
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was fly right into the ceiling, right into the roof,
and you would have done you couldn't have missed. Even
Honey Honjura could have hit it. And all you had
to do is hit the east wing. And you know,
remember how smart these terrorists were, These were masterminds, and
yet they didn't know that the west wing wasn't where
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you would want to hit. Furthermore, the facade even though
it was hit by a Boeing seven fifty this official
story Boeing seven to fifty seven, going four hundred miles
an hour, got a wingspan of one hundred and twenty
five feet, got these enormous engines on it, got a
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tail that makes the plane forty feet high. It didn't
knock the facade down for a half hour. The facade
stood after being hit by the plane for a half
hour before it fell down. Photographs were taken by Marines
and other military people and Tom Hern of the Associated Press.
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They show you that the hole that was created by
this Boeing seven to fifty seven was about twenty feet
in diameter. Twenty feet in diameter, that's big enough to
get the nose of Boeing inside. So there ought to
be a Boeing sitting out there in front Tom Herran's pictures.
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Other pictures show there's no Boeing. This French researcher Terry
Masson has a website called Hunt the Boeing, and he
shows all these photographs. Hey, look outside, no Boeing. Well
let's go inside. So they asked ed Plower, the fire
chief who was in charge of putting out what'd you
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see in there? Ed this with the depending on press
conference the next day. He obviously hadn't been coached, and
he said, no big pieces of anything, no fuselage, no,
you know, nothing like that. And then two other people
get up, one of them was the head of the
renovation project and said, yeah, no big pieces of anything.
Nothing's sticking up in the air. A Boeing seven fifty
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seven is pretty big. Why don't they just release the
videos and show us. You know, there are cameras there,
camera's on hotels next door, there's a camera in the
gas station across the street. All I have to do
is show us the videos and you can prove it
was a Boeing seven and fifty seven. No, they didn't
show us any They finally, after Terry Mason came out
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with his theory, that it wasn't a Boeing but a missile.
They released five frames that they said proved it. Some
people have looked at those frames and said, that's when
I became a skeptic, because that was not a Boeing,
even though they tried to make it look like it. Furthermore,
this video that was across the street. Within five minutes
of the attack, the FBI was over there and confiscated it.
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You would think the FBI would be distraught. Hey, for
the first time in history the Pentagon has been hit. No,
they had the presence of mind to get in their
cars and drive over there and confiscate the video. We've
never seen it. Nine to eleven Commission, of course, doesn't
mention any of this. How could a Boeing a commercial
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airliner attack the Pentagon? Wouldn't you have batteries of missiles
surrounding the Pentagon so that any airplane that doesn't have
a military transponder radiating friendly friendly friendly would be shot down.
Of course, that's exactly the situation. And yet whatever it
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was that hit the Pentagon goes right through. Batteries are
not opera back then, one of the mostest honest things
in the Commission report. Is that actually bring this up
because one of the criticisms have been these flights that
were going to New York, they passed by one of
the biggest nuclear plants right along the river there. All
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they had to do was attack that. That would have
caused far more devastation than any of these attacks on
the World Trade Center. It would have killed hundreds of
thousands of people, poisoned, you know, poisoned the area, made
ruin the economy of the United States, if that's what
these terrorists wanted to do because they hate freedom and democracy.
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But they didn't. They flew right over and hit the
World Trade Center. So what does the nine to eleven
Commission tell you, Well, they have this guy named they
call him Kosm, you know, colleague Sheik Muhammad, and they've
captured him. They tell us, well, he's this font of
information and they just they just say anything they want
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to and they say, this is what KSM told us.
We have no way of checking this. They just tell us,
you know, he was the mastermind. So so what he
told him was, well, yeah, we thought about hitting a
nuclear plant, but you know, we said, you know, they
probably guarded, they probably have missiles around there, we'd probably
get shot down, So let's go hit the Pentagon. It's surely,
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and I hate to say it, I'm not making this up.
So when you hear that this report is the number
one best seller of the year, and also you go
on Amazon and look at the reports, the ratings, customer ratings. Least,
the last time I looked, nine out of ten were
five stars. People are saying, now we know the truth,
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and yet this is comic book stuff. When you know
what the truth is, you know, you know all these
other reports that they've ignored. It's almost comic book writing.
Just know that's not true. This is true. How do
we know it, Well because Kasm told us, or because
we have this transcript. But of course it will be
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put in the vault for fifty years and you'll never
be able to sit it. With the Warren Commission, they
published all the supporting documents. Whatever you can say about
the Warden commis, you can say a lot about the
Warren Commission, you know. And Max Clayland said, I'm not
going to be part of another Warren Commission cover up.
He wasn't. The President got him a job, another job,
and so you got Max Cleland off the Commission, and
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so you got to you got a unified report. They're
very proud we published this without dissent. They just give
you all these reports. And yet they in the notes
in the back, and these are authoritative. And yet there's
nothing that you can go to to check these reports
because they're in the hands of the FBI or they're
in the hands of other people. You can't check out
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anything they say. Unlike the Warrant Commission. At least you
could see the testimony. Okay, uh, President Bush on nine
to eleven. You would think, you know, we've seen these
movies about the Secret Service. These guys are really highly trained,
and if there's the slightest danger to the president, they
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get in front of him. If there's the slightest danger
that this this route is not good, you change the route,
and so on and so on. Here's the president down
in theirsota in the classroom, and of course a lot
of you have seen that in the Michael Moore movie.
And he sits there, and he sits there, and he
sits there. After they've told him about the second tower
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after the first tower was hit. He says, oh boy,
what a horrible accident. So they just go on like, oh,
this is a little plane and it flew in. But
after the second one there could be no doubt. But
America was under a terrorist attack. I mean, given the
official story, could be no doubt about that. So why
didn't the Secret Service whisk him out of there? Because
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if these were terrorists and they wanted to attack the
symbols of America, what better target than the President of
the United States.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
If Olsama been I started to say, I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Not trying to put ideas in your mind, and I think,
don't have to. Yeah, So the Secret Service would have
immediately said we're next. We're going to be targeted next.
They're there in an empty school, there are no there's
no fighter cover over. The president is uncompletely unprotected. So
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the nine to eleven Commission said, well, we asked the
Secret Service, why did you let the president stay there
another half hour? And they said, well, we thought it
would look bad if we got up and ran out
of the room. Yeah, well, it would look bad if
the president of United States got murdered on your watch
because you didn't do your job too. But that and
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they accepted that, and like the only alternatives were get
him up and rush him out, of the room like
Cheney said they did to him. Could it be that
they think Cheney's more important than Bush? No, no, let
us not go there. That story about Cheney's probably apocryphal anyway,
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But that's what the Secret Service is supposed to do
when there's a real danger. And yet there was no
sign of danger. So they said, well, we didn't want
to rush out of the room, so they left him
there for thirty minutes. How about us something in between,
like excuse us, the president must leave, he's been called
to other duties, and you walk out of the room.
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So the Commission didn't press him on that. They just
accepted that answer, and time and time again, I use
that as an illustration. They accept the most, really the
silliest answers from these authoritative figures, and very seldom do
they press, and the few times they do press, it
gets deleted from the final report. And that's the other
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thing to know about Zeleika. He was the editor, he
was in charge of the final report, and so it's
pretty consistent. I've only found two or three inconsistencies in
the parts of the book that I've read, so it
clearly had to be Finally, one mind who was in
charge of this, and he's my candidate. Advanced warnings. No
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mention of the fact that Willie Brown was warned not
to fly on an airplane that day. No discussion of
why Ashcroft quit flying commercial planes suddenly. No mention that
David Shippers. You remember David Shippers. He prosecuted President Clinton.
You'd think he'd be very popular in Republican circles. And
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so if David Shippers called up Attorney General Ashcroft and says, hey,
I've got a serious problem here. I've got some FBI
agents who tell me there's going to be an attack
on Lower Manhattan, and Ashcroft will not return his call.
Week after week after week. Shippers tries repeatedly. These FBI agents,
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they said, we knew over a month ahead of time,
the target and the day. Were they interviewed by the
nine to eleven Commission. Let's see if these guys are reputable.
Let's put them under lie detector tests. No, no mention whatsoever.
The National Security Agency tells us that they, yes, they
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intercepted this message from KSM to Muhammadada on September tenth,
giving him the go ahead to do the planes operation.
But they said, we didn't get around to translating it
until September twelfth, So of course we didn't know. Wouldn't
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you think maybe you would put somebody under a light
detector and test and say, did you really not translate that? No,
no mention of that. The put options, for those of
you don't know. To buy a put option, you're betting
that a company stock value is going to plummet, and
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if you buy at the right time and then it
goes way down and you buy a lot of that stock,
you can make millions, tens of millions of dollars. So
an enormous number of put options were purchased on American Airlines,
United Airlines, and Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, which had twenty
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two floors of the World Trade Center just the three
or four days prior to nine to eleven. So, first
of all, the CIA monitors this stuff. So if they're
going to say no advance warning, here's the clearest sign
in the world that United and American Airlines are going
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to be used to attack the World Trade Center? What
could be clearer. They don't discuss that. All they say is, well,
there's been a lot of hollabaloo about the put options,
but we checked it out and we found that this
was noted dance knowledge, because that's the accusation, of course,
that it was insider training, somebody trading, and somebody had
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advanced knowledge. And they say no, because we found the
agency that bought ninety five percent of the United Airlines
share and it was somebody who had no conceivable connection
to al Qaeda. So you see the circular argument. The
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official story is that the commission started with and ended
with is that the operation was pulled off entirely by
al Qaeda, and that nobody else knew about it. And
so if this guy didn't have a pipeline to al Qaeda,
he couldn't have. It was just a lucky guess. Osamavan Laden.
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There were good, strong reports by Lefebuer, the Swiss journalists
that in July of two thousand and one Osama bin Laden,
who was known as you know, he was the black Sheep.
He had been disowned by his own people and his
own family and the royal family, and he was the
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number one wanted in the world. There was a what
was a ten million dollar reward or whatever it was
prior to nine to eleven, but he was the number
one person wanted in the world. The FIBUA says he
was stayed in the because of his kidney problems. He
went to the American hospital in Dubai in the United
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Arab Emirates and was treated by an American doctor and
was visited by the local CI agent, visited by the
Saudi equivalent and members of the royal family. No mention
of this in the nine to eleven report. Do not
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mention that the bin Laden family we got together for
weddings where Osama and all these people who had disowned
him got together. They do not mention that the British
press decided that the whole hunt for Osama bin Laden
in Afghanistan was a charade. Remember this, when he was
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in the Torbora Mountains and we were bombing this road
and yet somehow he escaped into Pakistan. They didn't tell
us that. Well, there were two roads and we only
bombed one road and they went the other road. And
then you heard Carrie the other night pointing out that said,
we outsourced this job too. So rather than the US
military going after Ben Laden, no, no, we put under
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the locals. Well the locals were probably in you know,
so they don't tell you about this story about Gerald
Posner tells in his book He's otherwise very orthodox about
nine to eleven. Let's called Hawaii American slap. He says
that this guy Beda, who was one of the top
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three or four al Qaeda people in the world, who
was captured. Then he was put under interrogation by CIA
guys pretending to be because they were Arabs, pretending to
be from Saudi Arabia. So he said, oh, great, my
own countrymen. Let me tell you, uh, just call these
he had these numbers from memory. He said, call these
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members of the royal family and they'll tell you. I'm
the go between between the royal family and al Qaeda.
And they know all about this, so you know, be fine,
and the CIA agents and not after nine to eleven,
it won't because now all bets are off. They said,
oh now, now they knew ahead of time, they knew
they were going to be attacks on nine to eleven.
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It's no surprise to them. No mention of this. Now
Posner's story may be false, you know, he may be
an opportunist, and some people think he's just a lying person.
And no mention of it, even to refute it, which
you would think and remember in the first though of
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you who read the book, reading the preface said our
intention was to give the fullest possible account of the
events surrounding nine eleven. Well, this would be part of
the fullest possible account. No mention of Saudi funding of
al Qaeda. Now, some of you maybe have read Bob
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Graham's book. He reports that the nine to eleven Joint
inquiry that the House and Senate Intelligence Committees did in
two thousand and three on remember the twenty eight blocked
out pages that was about. He says here in the
book clearly that this was about Saudi government and particularly
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about Saudi government funding of al Qaeda. No mention of
this in the report except a disclaimer and this mantra
they have. We have found no evidence, they say, we
have found no evidence that any foreign government. We have
found no evidence that the Saudi government or any members
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of the royal family gave money to al Qaeda. Now,
Craig Unger in his book, have you read The House
of Bush, House of Sad, This is the book that
a lot of Michael Moore's movie was based on, and
Unger reports that there's no doubt about that Prince Bandar,
who is in tight with the Bush family, even known
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as Bandar Bush. He's the Saudi ambassador to Washington. That
he and his wife, particularly his wife, Princess Haisa, gave
about one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to a couple
in California, San Diego, allegedly for or a thyroid problem
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for the wife. And maybe she did have a thyroid problem,
and maybe it was all in, you know, innocent, but nevertheless,
the money then went from that family to two of
the alleged hijackers, Almidar and the other that was in
San Diego. And so this is documented both by Graham
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and by Unger. And yet they said, we found no
evidence that Princess Haifa gave any money, whether directly or indirectly,
whether intentionally or unintentionally. She just didn't give any period
or that is, we found no evidence that she gave
any That statement could be literally true if you can't
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find sometimes what you don't look for Saudi flights. Remember
this was the big to do about Michael Moore book,
and people came out and said, oh, that's just gross
distortion that there were any unauthorized flights that were carrying
the Saudis. The nine to eleven Commission says, yeah, no problem,
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nothing unusual went on. Craig Gunger reported that on September
thirteenth there was a flight from Tampa to Lexington that
carried three young Saudis to Lexington where one of the
big flights was going to take them out of the country.
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On the morning of September thirteenth. Craiggunger is very clear
about this. At eleven o'clock commercial flights were allowed. Private
planes were still not allowed. In fact, there was some
any politaria. You know about a note tam is that
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what they call it notice to all airman using the
old sexist language. It came out at ten fifty seven
saying warning airspace is only open for commercial flights. No
private flights will be allowed. You will be forced down
if you go up. The nine to eleven Commission just
says no problem. Air American airspace was open at eleven
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o'clock on that day and that flight didn't leave until
four point thirty in the afternoon. That is the complete,
the strongest examples of the complete dishonesty. They have to
know they're lying, and yet they also know that most
of the American people won't know any better, and so
they'll get five star reviews on Amazon dot com in
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spite of such things.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
FBI.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
There are so many stories about FBI obstruction of investigations
and so on. One of these, the most famous one
is by Colleen Rowley. Remember she was Time one of
the Time Persons of the Year because she blew the
whistle on this sabotage. She said within the FAA FBI
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headquarters that they wanted to get into Mussaui's laptop computer
because they thought he was going to fly planes into
the World Trade Center. So they applied for a FISA
FISA permit to investigate. They knew FISA would give it
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to him. They've hardly ever turned down an application in history.
So what does somebody in the headquarters down he sabotage
is said. He takes out the crucial information that shows
that what the French authorities had shown that Mussaue had
a connection to al Qaeda rebels in Chech. Now he
deletes that and then sends it to the superior to him,
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and the superior looks at it and says, ah, this
won't fly. I won't even send it to FISA. That's sabotage,
and Colleen Rowdy then exposed it. You will find Colleen
Rawley's name once in the book, but no reference at
all to this flap, which was important enough to get
her on the cover of Time magazine. That's an extreme
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example of a mission. Likewise, many of you know the
saga of Sabell Edmunds, who was propositioned by a fellow woman,
a fellow Turkish women, and they were doing they were
hired to do translations. After nine to eleven, she found
this woman was working for one of the foreign groups
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that they were supposed to be alleged investigating that woman
was either not translating the materials or mistranslating it, that
she and one of her superiors were smuggling materials out
of the FBI and giving them to this organization. Sabell
Edmunds test side for three and a half hours to
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the Commission, told him about all of this, told him
that her colleague Behus was participating in a message from Iran.
They had an asset in Iran who told him prior
to nine to eleven that Osama bin Laden was planning
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to attack the United States, and they were told to
shut up, just keep quiet about it. Beus went in
and testified for two hours, and you can be sure
he told about all this. His name is not even
mentioned in the nine to eleven report. Her name is
mentioned once in a note in which it says she
was one of four people who recommended that the FBI
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should tighten up its procedures Pakistan and the ISSI. The
ISI is intelligence services and it was set up by
the CIA. And you see, if there were evidence then
that the ISI were involved in nine to eleven, that
might suggest that the CIA was involved in nine to eleven.
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So it'd be very important to keep any such information away. Well,
Mahmoud Ahmed, the head of the ISI, how many of
you know this, was in Washington the week prior to
nine to eleven, meeting with George Tennant, head of CIA.
No mention of this. They mentioned that he showed up
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on the thirteenth, probably to come over and give condolences
and say what can I do to help, But there's
no mention that he was there prior to nine to eleven.
There was no mention that he and Tenant were meeting.
Five days before the leader of the Northern Alliance, Masoud Ahmed,
was assassinated and according to the Northern Alliance, by the ISI.
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And that made things easy then when we went in there,
because there were no leaders to challenge what the American
government wanted to put in place. Then word came from
India that this same chief of the IS, head of
the ISI, had had ordered another is SI agent to
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wire one hundred thousand dollars to Muhammadada shortly before nine
to eleven. So here you have the ISI up to
its eyeballs in nine to eleven planning, not a single
mention of any of this. And here's what shows the
other You know, we said, they said, we found no
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evidence of any foreign government funding. And of course when
you get to the back of the book, what are
the recommendations continued cooperation and funding of Pakistan and of
course continued cooperation with Saudi Arabia. So in other words,
you could really you start with the back of the
book and look at the recommendations, and then you can say,
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then you can figure out what they're going to discover.
Was the truth about nine to eleven? In other words,
this was all to get to our topic. This was
not truth driven, this was politics driven. The whole report
is politically driven not driven by a desire for truth.
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No mention of the fact that Daniel Pearl Wall Street
Journal reporter was murdered by if I. No mention that
this other guy that Polishner says that Abu fingered as
somebody in Pakistan who knew about nine to eleven ahead
of time. Also, oh, I forgot to tell you about
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Pausner's story. He mentioned three members of the royal family
who were the ones who knew about him and knew
about nine to eleven. All three of them die within
an eight day period, and that was, according to Posner
and Unger, just after the CIA had told Saudi intelligence
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about these three guys. So Prince Ahmed, who's forty one
years old, suddenly dies of a heart attack. The second
guy dies the next day in a single car accident
on his way to Ahmed's funeral. And then my favorite
is that the young guy who was only twenty one
died of thirst. He went out into the desert, and
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you know, just being twenty one years old, I probably
just forgot, Oh, in the desert, you need water. And
no mention of any of these anomalies in the nine
to eleven report, as if gee, this is something strange
we should look into. Okay, So the same thing happened
in Pakistan. Then this mirror died in one of these flights,
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even though the plane had just been checked. Of course
that was probably the problem. It had just been toocked.
No mention that another ISI agent in nineteen ninety nine
had looked at the World Trade Center he was being taped,
and said, those towers are coming down. So this is
a long term plan if that story is true. No
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mention in there about all the motives you if you're
gonna say, well, maybe the US government was involved, you'd say, well,
why you need a motive, Kui bono, who benefits? No
mention of the fact that the United States government had
a big appetite and big plants. So why did we
attack Iraq? Let's go to Afghanistan. Well, we were concerned
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about peace and human rights. Now, if you read any
of the books, it's all about the pipeline wars to
put in the gas and oil pipelines to bring down
oil gas from the Caspian Sea, which maybe the third
largest oil reserves oil and gas reserves in the world,
and be able to bring him down through Pakistan and Afghani.
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So they don't have to go through Iran or Russia.
And Unical was leading that consorts him to do this.
So read you know, Rashid's book on the Taliban tells
all about that. It's two chapters about romancing the Taliban,
how we were working with the Taliban to try to
bring this off. No mention of that, No mention that
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the three people who were in charge of our defenses
on nine to eleven, Donald Rumsfeld, General Myers, he was
in charge coincidentally just because Henry Shelton had to go
to Europe, so Myers was in charge. And Everhart, who
was the head of Norad. So they were the three
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in charge of our defenses. Those are the three biggest
supporters of the US Space Command, which we heard about
in the Sun. The Space Command is the big deal.
It's weaponizing space for absolute domination. It is estimated to
cost least a trillion dollars. That means we need to
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pony up. Even though the Cold War is over, We've
got to give more money to the military. How do
you get the American people ready to pony up? Well
in nineteen In two thousand, this group called the Project
for the New American Century that had Rumsfeld, Cheney, Pearl Wolfewitz,
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all sorts of people, many of whom became central members
of the Bush two administration, were members of this organization.
They put out a document called Rebuilding American's Defenses, and
in there they say, we need to do this rapid
transformation of the military, but it's going to go very
slowly absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event such as a
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new Pearl Harbor. The day the evening of nine to eleven,
evidently Bush wrote in his diary, I think the new
Pearl Harbor happened of the twenty first century, happened today
After nine to eleven, Rice, Cheney, Bush were all going
around saying this nine to eleven provides great opportunities for us.
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No mention of that. The word opportunity. You know, there's
in the nine to eleven report. There's an index. You
go on Internet and look up any word, look up opportunities.
You will not find opportunities in the mouth of any
member of the administration Iraq. No mention of the fact
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that this same group had been chomping at the bit
to attack a rock ever since Papa Bush wouldn't do
it back in ninety one, they were very upset with
him in the report, no mention that we might have
some interest in the oil. Carrie the other night, in
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my moment, the broudest moment, he said, what happened when
we went to Iraq? We ignored everything. Everything was chaos
except the oil ministries. We protected the oil ministries. Furthermore,
he said, we're building fourteen military bases. If you read
Chalmers Johnson's book, that's what it's all about. Oil and
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bases are two sides of the same coin. That's what
it's about. You would not get an inkling of that.
We were just going over to take care of Saddam
because he was a bad man. Okay, I'll have to
draw this to and end. Let me just say that
when my book comes out in six weeks, the second
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part of the book, which is dealing with the nine
to eleven report, defending the military, going through flight eleven one,
seventy five, seventy seven, and then ninety three, this is
by far every reader reads it and says, this is
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the strongest part of the book. And I'm sorry I
didn't get to it today. But then I want you
to buy my book. But when you get to this part.
You will say Part one is mild, compares with the
lies in part two. Let me just give one example.
The big question is did we shoot down? Did we
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our own military shoot down flight ninety three? And many
people have argued Cheney was down in the underground shelter
masterminding this operation. What does the nine to eleven report do.
It tells you, well, Cheney didn't get down there till
ten o'clock and then the flight was down at ten
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oh three. No way he could have done it, and
then he didn't give the shootdown order till ten fifteen
ten ten, ten fifteen. Norman Minetta, Secretary of Transportation, testified
to the nine to eleven Commission, that he got to
the White House about nine fifteen, checked in with Richard Clark.
This corresponds exactly to Richard Clark what he says in
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his book Against All Enemies, went down to the underground shelter,
got there by nine to twenty. Cheney was already there,
was clearly in charge. There was a guy coming in
talking about this flight is fifty miles out? Does this
order stand? This was probably whatever was coming towards the Pentagon,
which in the book they tell you Gee we didn't
know anything about it two minutes ahead of time, and
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here we have it, you know, almost twenty minutes ahead
of time. And so they make up this story that
Bush didn't get Cheney, didn't get taken down to the
underground shelter, and didn't actually get in there till till
ten o'clock. So they lie by probably Richard Clark's account
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suggests that Cheney went down about nine to twelve, So
they lie by almost an hour there, and they tell you, well,
this was in the logs, but the Secret Service says, well,
those logs somehow got destroyed. We don't have that information,
but you know, we can trust the Secret Service. So
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the biggest lies are in Part two, particularly with regard Well,
let me summarize. You've got three stories now, had three
stories about nine to eleven. The first few days after
nine to eleven, Myers, Norad and others were saying, we
didn't send up any flights until after the Pentagon was hit. Well,
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that wasn't going to watch. That looks like a stand
down where you say, well, just let it happen. So
then they start telling us, and CBS says, on Tuesday night,
oh no, they set up flights, but they just didn't
get there on time, and that became official. Then on
September eighteenth, they came out with their timeline. They said,
here's when the FAA told us, and here's when we
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scrambled airplanes and unfortunately they just couldn't get there in time. Now,
then in the in the meantime, critics have looked at
those timelines and said, you still could have made it.
You could have stopped flight one seventy five. You certainly
could have stopped flight seventy seven, assuming it was And
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so we've got a third story here. They give us
a new timeline which says we had nine minutes notice
for flight eleven, and that wasn't enough because it took
eight minutes for needs nor Add in Northeast to call
Florida to get permission to send up planes, which is ridiculous.
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An eight minute phone call when you've got a crisis
and then no warning whatsoever. So they tell you that
what we've been told since September eighteenth is all faults.
When September eighteenth, NORAD's timeline said we got a notification
of flight one seventy five at eight forty three. The
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nine eleven Commission says, no, that was a mistake. They didn't.
We didn't. They didn't know about it until the South
Tower was hit. And then flight seventy seven they said, well,
we got notification at nine twenty four. No, no, no,
no notification. We only heard about it two minutes ahead
of time, just in time to send up a guy
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and look at it and say, yeah, that's a Bowling
seven fifty seven, all right, just before it crashed. And
then with flight ninety three, no warning whatsoever. So just
a complete rewriting of history and revisionism is fine, but
you've got to show why the old story was false
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and why the news story is more credible. They don't
do that. They just say that was incorrect, that was incorrect.
Here's the truth. And then you look at the notes.
It looks very sky because they've got all these books
and notes in the back. But you look at the
crucial ones and it says interview with General Myers, interview
with General Everhart, interview with the Secret Service, interview with
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the FBI agents. I hate to tell you this, but
this is the sad story of truth and politics in
Washington in these here days. Thank you very much.
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Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
for yet another edition of our classic audio series. As
we record this, we're less than twenty four hours away
from the twenty fourth anniversary of nine to eleven. Tonight,
we revisit David ray Griffin's powerful lecture entitled the nine
to eleven Commission Report, Omissions and Distortions, where he challenges,
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of course, the official narrative and exposes what he argues
are clearing gaps, huge contradictions, and deliberate cover ups. Without
any further ado, here is the great David ray Griffin.
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We are fortunate to have with us today, a courageous
scholar who asks these important questions in a clear, logical
and dispassionate tone. Please join me in welcoming David ray Griffin.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Thank you. I was just going to ask if you
want to stand up for fifteen seconds and have your opportunity. Well,
I'm pleased to be able to say, Paul, I've actually
finished the book now, so it should be out in
about six weeks. I hope with regard to our topic today,
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truth and politics. Some people may wonder people maybe outside
this room, but is there anything in the nine to
eleven Commission report that is under true? And now that
I've finished the book, my big question is can I
find a true sentence in the book? That may sound extreme,
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but if you don't take it too literally, and if
you realize a sentence is a part of a paragraph,
which is a part of the argument, then it is
hard to find any truth there. And so what I'm
going to do this afternoon is just go through and
give you some examples. But to get an idea of
my audience, how many people here have read some of
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the nine to eleven Commission report? About half of you?
And now also let me ask, and no grading on this,
no going to purgatory, but how many have read some
of my book at least? Oh? Well? Well, great, okay,
a group gets an a One thing to understand about
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the report is that, you know, we quite often name
commissions after the leader. So we had the Rumsfeldt Commission
on the space program so on, So quite often this
is called the Kine Commission, but it should be called
the Kane Zelikow Commission because the executive director is Philip Zelikow.
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He was a member of the Bush one administration. He
got to know Condalisa Rice very well there. They both
served on the National Security Council when they were between
administrations during the Clinton years, they wrote a book together.
When the Bush two administration was coming into power, she
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brought him on to help with the transition, and then
he was appointed to the Foreign Advisory Board for so
he is essentially a member of the Boush White House.
And yet as executive director he ran the Commission. He
had a staff of seventy some He assigned them which
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topics were worth looking into and which ones were not.
He assigned. When people would come and say, I want
to testify to the Commission. I have something important to say,
he would decide who would take that testimony, and so on.
Let me get an example, just one tiny example of
how important that is. There's a new book out by
Peter Lance called Cover Up and Peter Good Patriot that
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he is went to testify because he had some important
information about Ramsey Yusef, remember the masterminded the nineteen ninety
three bombing of the World Trade Center. He was also
the mastermind of the Bojinka project that they discovered in Manila.
And he also was the one who came up with
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plans idea of using planes for weapons, so he is
the mastermind. Peter went to give testimony, and his testimony
was going to contradict some of the things that showed
up that were in the prosecution's case in nineteen ninety
six when they prosecuted Ramsey Yusef who took Peter Lance's testimony,
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Dietrich Schnell one of the two prosecutors of that you
have that trial. So that is an example of how
the executive director could skew. And Peter said he got
a mole inside the Commission, somebody who was very unhappy
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on the staff, who was unhappy with the way things
were going. And they would meet and he would tell
Peter what was going on. And he said that Zeleikal
just runs the whole commission. That there are these leadership teams,
and and six out of the seventeams, he said, are
completely controlled by Zelikal. Only one team, run by John Farmer,
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was not and they were butting heads all the time.
There are other examples, like at the Commission report, people
would say tell us about the wargames, and they would
ask the commissioners, why didn't you deal with the wargames
and the commissioner said, oh, well we were told that
was unimportant. Well by whom were they told. So you
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essentially have the nine to eleven commission. It's the White
House investigating itself. And furthermore, as Peter points out, the staff.
You know, you think, oh, they got a staff there.
It's a bunch of people who know how to do research.
If probably you know, university students and so no x FBI,
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x CIA, X Department of Justice, nine members from the
Department of Justice. Ashcroft. Yeah, so they've got their friends
back on there. So when you wonder why are no
names named, got people on there protecting their friends, protecting
their institutions that they're still proud of, or they want
to have the public to have a good point. So
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from the very beginning, this was a doomed commission. It
was not a commission to get the truth. Once you
realize that these things won't shock you quite as much.
But even then, even knowing that, I was still shocked
at the number of omissions and the audacity of some
of the distortions. So let me go through these some
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of these, starting right out on the very first pages,
they start telling you about the hijackers. What they don't
tell you and they give you the names, and in
the middle of the book you can see their pictures.
What they don't tell you is that six, at least
six of those men are still alive. Some of them have,
like Wally Shira, walked into the embassy and here I am.
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I'm not dead, nevertheless, and some of them were interviewed
by the BBC and London newspapers and nevertheless they're in there.
And this Wally Shier, they have him on flight eleven
and they say, we believe he's one of the ones
who stabbed some of the people who were stabbed. Just
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a total disregard of well known facts, just omit that
there's any problem with the identity of the hijackers. Likewise,
they failed to mention Daniel Hopsiker has written a whole
book about Muhammadada shown he was not a devout Muslim.
You know, the image we have here are these radical
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fundamentalists Muslims. They're ready to meet their maker. Auta loved alcohol,
pork and prostitutes. And the Commission says, we're puzzled. These
guys go to Las Vegas. We've not found any credible reason. Well,
they loved lap Dan says. You know, another hijacker, alleged
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hijacker is Honey Honjour, and they tell us he was
chosen to fly Fight seventy seven, the one that was
going to hit the Pentagon, because he was their best pilot.
Honey Honjour could not fly any kind of airplane. He
would go up in his lessons and the next time
the guy wouldn't go up with him. He says, you
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can't fly. He was known as a horrible pilot, even
with a little plane, and yet he was alleged to
fly this Boeing seventy seven seven fifty seven and make
this amazing spiral, come down and come in at ground
level four hundred miles an hour into the Pentagon. You know,
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the best pilots in the world, some of them have
looked at that and said, I don't think I could
do that. Honey h juror could not fly this. When
they do mention it's money thing. They mentioned this and
then they just ignore it, and they have President Bush
a maze. You know, boy, this was some pilot. You
know the flight manifest We've never publicly seen flight manifest
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that show that any of the So it's not just
the six. We don't know that any of the nineteen
men named or actually on these flights. None of this
is mentioned, is not mentioned and refuted, is just not mentioned.
So that's why I call it omissions, and some people
call it the nine to eleven omission commission. Let me
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give another example, the World Trade Center. They hardly discuss
the question of these enormous buildings coming down. They don't
discuss any of the problems. One problem is, never before
in history have steel framed high rise buildings collapsed because
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of fire. Now, some people said, well, one just fire,
these big planes hit on Well, people have looked at this.
That's insignificant. Besides, no plane hit Building number seven, which
is a forty seven story skyscraper and it came down. Also, Furthermore,
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even if you were going to have fire weak in
the building would have to be enormous fires. They would
have to be very hot, not ordinary hydrocarbon fires that
you get from kerosene, which is what jet fuel is,
and they would have to be very long lasting. These
fires didn't last. That South Tower came down in fifty
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seven minutes, an enormous number amount of steel in one
hundred and ten story building that is steel framed inside
and outside, and yet they're telling us the now. The
only thing they mentioned here they mentioned that South tower
collapsed in ten seconds. Can you imagine how fire would
bring down one hundred and ten story building in free
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fall speed? And that's what it is. Also, the wrong
tower collapsed first. The North tower was hit first, and
so if it's fire that's bringing it down, it takes
a while for the fire to heat up the steel.
The North tower should have collapsed first. The South tower
also had a much smaller fire because the plane hit
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it at the angle at the corner, and so most
of the fuel went outside and burned up. So that
enormous fireball you see, You say, boy, what an enormous fire, Well, yeah,
for about fifteen seconds and it's burnt up, and so
there's not much fuel to keep the fire going in
the South tower, and yet it collapses within fifty seven minutes.
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They one of the places whether where you just know
they're absolutely lying and cheating, is they give you an
account that makes it sound plausible that these towers could
have come down they tell you that in the core
of each building was a hollow shaft that was just
filled with elevators and staircases. Yeah, and forty seven massive
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steel columns. That's what the world trade these buildings were
all about. This was this unique structure at the time,
these forty seven massive steel things going up into the air,
so massive at the bottom. So even if you accepted
the official theory, which is a pancake theory, that somehow
the connectors between the columns in the middle and then
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the peripheral beams around the building, somehow those snapped and
then the floors came down, and that floor was so
heavy it hit the NT just going down. Can you
imagine that having ten seconds? And even if it did,
it's just like if in the old records when the
records fell on the spindle, and those of you who
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are old enough to remember those, the spindle's still there.
So why aren't those forty seven towers still sticking up
in the air, but the pictures show that they totally collapse.
You have something that's no more than three stories high.
You should have had. I mean, it just total dishonesty
to deny the existence of those massive columns and then
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they don't even mention that building number seven collapsed. There's
not a word about it. Everybody admits there is no
explanation for why building number seven collapsed. In most cities,
this would have been one of the This had been
the biggest building, forty seven stories high. It can be
ignored only because it was next to the towers. And
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FEMA says they come up with this lame explanation of
how this building came down. They said, the only explanation
we can come up with has a very low probability
of occurrence. That there's no answer. So rather than telling you,
like an honest report would we're surprised, we're puzzled why
building number seven collapsed. There's no good answer. They just
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don't even mention that it collapsed. They don't tell you that.
Larry Silverstein, the owner virtually of the building and the
builder of it, said on a PBS station report, well,
at a certain point, the fire chief and I got
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together and we said, you know, there's been so much
loss of life, let's not take any chances, and we
decided to pull it. Maybe this smartest things to do
us is pullet And they made that decision to pull
the pullet is the slang for bringing it down by
control demolition. So he admits it in public. It's it's
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well known in you know, it's mentioned in any like
my book and other books, and all the books that
people sent to the commission, assuming they wanted to know
the truth, and they don't mention, they don't bring in
Larry Silverstein and said, why did you say that? What
do you mean by that? Isn't that what a commission
looking for the truth might do? Likewise, Juliani said, we
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knew that the towers were going to collapse, so we
got the people out of building number seven. How did
he know? The tower buildings have never collapsed before in history?
How could have he known twin towers are going to collapse.
They didn't ask him that. They treated him as a
hero when he comes into the commission. They fell all
over themselves praising Rudy Giuliani as the great hero they meant.
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So what I'm getting at here, those of you who
haven't read it, is that the all three collapses were
pretty close to classic examples of what they call control demolition,
when when dynamite or some kind of explosives are placed
throughout the building at all the crucial points, and then
they put them on a computer and they bring them
down in a certain order, and therefore the building comes
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straight down so it doesn't fall on these other buildings,
and they come down in virtually free fall speed. And
that's what happened here, all three buildings. You can see
him on all sorts of places on the website. You
don't see him on TV anymore. They showed him the
first night, and Dan rather you know, bless his soul,
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comes right out and blurts out the truth. He says, oh,
that looks just like controlled demolition. The nine to eleven
Commission also does not tell you that Marvin Bush, President's
brother and their cousin word Walker, were the principles of
the company that was in charge of security for the
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World Trade Center. They don't man all sorts of coincidences here.
They also don't tell you that there were many reports
of people who worked in the building saying, you know,
we got a shutdown order, so for three days we
couldn't go in the World Trade Center. There there were
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engineers coming in and out. We didn't know what okay.
Moving right along to the Pentagon, they don't tell you
that they do mention that it was the west wing
of the Pentagon that was hit. They don't mention that
for terrorists who wanted to really strike a blow at
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the Pentagon, the west wing was the least likely part
to hit. Why because all the big brass are in
the east wing. That's where Rumsfeld and all the general
the top generals are. Furthermore, the west wing was being renovated,
so it was reinforced so the fire wouldn't spread to
the rest of the building. Also, there were very few
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people there, and so although it's tragic that one hundred
and twenty five people on the ground were killed, several
thousand would have been killed if the plane had hit
any other well, if it had been a plane, we'll
come to that later if but even what it was,
it would have killed several hundred and maybe thousand if
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it had been an ordinary place. And also terrorists would
want to kill Pentagon workers. Most of the people killed
were civilians who were there working on their renovation. Furthermore,
as I said, you had to do, it was the
hardest place of the Pentagon to hit. You've got this
huge Pentagon here with acres. All you had to do
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was fly right into the ceiling, right into the roof,
and you would have done you couldn't have missed. Even
Honey Honjura could have hit it. And all you had
to do is hit the east wing. And you know,
remember how smart these terrorists were, These were masterminds, and
yet they didn't know that the west wing wasn't where
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you would want to hit. Furthermore, the facade even though
it was hit by a Boeing seven fifty this official
story Boeing seven to fifty seven, going four hundred miles
an hour, got a wingspan of one hundred and twenty
five feet, got these enormous engines on it, got a
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tail that makes the plane forty feet high. It didn't
knock the facade down for a half hour. The facade
stood after being hit by the plane for a half
hour before it fell down. Photographs were taken by Marines
and other military people and Tom Hern of the Associated Press.
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They show you that the hole that was created by
this Boeing seven to fifty seven was about twenty feet
in diameter. Twenty feet in diameter, that's big enough to
get the nose of Boeing inside. So there ought to
be a Boeing sitting out there in front Tom Herran's pictures.
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Other pictures show there's no Boeing. This French researcher Terry
Masson has a website called Hunt the Boeing, and he
shows all these photographs. Hey, look outside, no Boeing. Well
let's go inside. So they asked ed Plower, the fire
chief who was in charge of putting out what'd you
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see in there? Ed this with the depending on press
conference the next day. He obviously hadn't been coached, and
he said, no big pieces of anything, no fuselage, no,
you know, nothing like that. And then two other people
get up, one of them was the head of the
renovation project and said, yeah, no big pieces of anything.
Nothing's sticking up in the air. A Boeing seven fifty
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seven is pretty big. Why don't they just release the
videos and show us. You know, there are cameras there,
camera's on hotels next door, there's a camera in the
gas station across the street. All I have to do
is show us the videos and you can prove it
was a Boeing seven and fifty seven. No, they didn't
show us any They finally, after Terry Mason came out
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with his theory, that it wasn't a Boeing but a missile.
They released five frames that they said proved it. Some
people have looked at those frames and said, that's when
I became a skeptic, because that was not a Boeing,
even though they tried to make it look like it. Furthermore,
this video that was across the street. Within five minutes
of the attack, the FBI was over there and confiscated it.
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You would think the FBI would be distraught. Hey, for
the first time in history the Pentagon has been hit. No,
they had the presence of mind to get in their
cars and drive over there and confiscate the video. We've
never seen it. Nine to eleven Commission, of course, doesn't
mention any of this. How could a Boeing a commercial
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airliner attack the Pentagon? Wouldn't you have batteries of missiles
surrounding the Pentagon so that any airplane that doesn't have
a military transponder radiating friendly friendly friendly would be shot down.
Of course, that's exactly the situation. And yet whatever it
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was that hit the Pentagon goes right through. Batteries are
not opera back then, one of the mostest honest things
in the Commission report. Is that actually bring this up
because one of the criticisms have been these flights that
were going to New York, they passed by one of
the biggest nuclear plants right along the river there. All
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they had to do was attack that. That would have
caused far more devastation than any of these attacks on
the World Trade Center. It would have killed hundreds of
thousands of people, poisoned, you know, poisoned the area, made
ruin the economy of the United States, if that's what
these terrorists wanted to do because they hate freedom and democracy.
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But they didn't. They flew right over and hit the
World Trade Center. So what does the nine to eleven
Commission tell you, Well, they have this guy named they
call him Kosm, you know, colleague Sheik Muhammad, and they've
captured him. They tell us, well, he's this font of
information and they just they just say anything they want
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to and they say, this is what KSM told us.
We have no way of checking this. They just tell us,
you know, he was the mastermind. So so what he
told him was, well, yeah, we thought about hitting a
nuclear plant, but you know, we said, you know, they
probably guarded, they probably have missiles around there, we'd probably
get shot down, So let's go hit the Pentagon. It's surely,
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and I hate to say it, I'm not making this up.
So when you hear that this report is the number
one best seller of the year, and also you go
on Amazon and look at the reports, the ratings, customer ratings. Least,
the last time I looked, nine out of ten were
five stars. People are saying, now we know the truth,
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and yet this is comic book stuff. When you know
what the truth is, you know, you know all these
other reports that they've ignored. It's almost comic book writing.
Just know that's not true. This is true. How do
we know it, Well because Kasm told us, or because
we have this transcript. But of course it will be
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put in the vault for fifty years and you'll never
be able to sit it. With the Warren Commission, they
published all the supporting documents. Whatever you can say about
the Warden commis, you can say a lot about the
Warren Commission, you know. And Max Clayland said, I'm not
going to be part of another Warren Commission cover up.
He wasn't. The President got him a job, another job,
and so you got Max Cleland off the Commission, and
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so you got to you got a unified report. They're
very proud we published this without dissent. They just give
you all these reports. And yet they in the notes
in the back, and these are authoritative. And yet there's
nothing that you can go to to check these reports
because they're in the hands of the FBI or they're
in the hands of other people. You can't check out
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anything they say. Unlike the Warrant Commission. At least you
could see the testimony. Okay, uh, President Bush on nine
to eleven. You would think, you know, we've seen these
movies about the Secret Service. These guys are really highly trained,
and if there's the slightest danger to the president, they
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get in front of him. If there's the slightest danger
that this this route is not good, you change the route,
and so on and so on. Here's the president down
in theirsota in the classroom, and of course a lot
of you have seen that in the Michael Moore movie.
And he sits there, and he sits there, and he
sits there. After they've told him about the second tower
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after the first tower was hit. He says, oh boy,
what a horrible accident. So they just go on like, oh,
this is a little plane and it flew in. But
after the second one there could be no doubt. But
America was under a terrorist attack. I mean, given the
official story, could be no doubt about that. So why
didn't the Secret Service whisk him out of there? Because
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if these were terrorists and they wanted to attack the
symbols of America, what better target than the President of
the United States.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
If Olsama been I started to say, I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Not trying to put ideas in your mind, and I think,
don't have to. Yeah, So the Secret Service would have
immediately said we're next. We're going to be targeted next.
They're there in an empty school, there are no there's
no fighter cover over. The president is uncompletely unprotected. So
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the nine to eleven Commission said, well, we asked the
Secret Service, why did you let the president stay there
another half hour? And they said, well, we thought it
would look bad if we got up and ran out
of the room. Yeah, well, it would look bad if
the president of United States got murdered on your watch
because you didn't do your job too. But that and
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they accepted that, and like the only alternatives were get
him up and rush him out, of the room like
Cheney said they did to him. Could it be that
they think Cheney's more important than Bush? No, no, let
us not go there. That story about Cheney's probably apocryphal anyway,
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But that's what the Secret Service is supposed to do
when there's a real danger. And yet there was no
sign of danger. So they said, well, we didn't want
to rush out of the room, so they left him
there for thirty minutes. How about us something in between,
like excuse us, the president must leave, he's been called
to other duties, and you walk out of the room.
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So the Commission didn't press him on that. They just
accepted that answer, and time and time again, I use
that as an illustration. They accept the most, really the
silliest answers from these authoritative figures, and very seldom do
they press, and the few times they do press, it
gets deleted from the final report. And that's the other
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thing to know about Zeleika. He was the editor, he
was in charge of the final report, and so it's
pretty consistent. I've only found two or three inconsistencies in
the parts of the book that I've read, so it
clearly had to be Finally, one mind who was in
charge of this, and he's my candidate. Advanced warnings. No
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mention of the fact that Willie Brown was warned not
to fly on an airplane that day. No discussion of
why Ashcroft quit flying commercial planes suddenly. No mention that
David Shippers. You remember David Shippers. He prosecuted President Clinton.
You'd think he'd be very popular in Republican circles. And
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so if David Shippers called up Attorney General Ashcroft and says, hey,
I've got a serious problem here. I've got some FBI
agents who tell me there's going to be an attack
on Lower Manhattan, and Ashcroft will not return his call.
Week after week after week. Shippers tries repeatedly. These FBI agents,
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they said, we knew over a month ahead of time,
the target and the day. Were they interviewed by the
nine to eleven Commission. Let's see if these guys are reputable.
Let's put them under lie detector tests. No, no mention whatsoever.
The National Security Agency tells us that they, yes, they
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intercepted this message from KSM to Muhammadada on September tenth,
giving him the go ahead to do the planes operation.
But they said, we didn't get around to translating it
until September twelfth, So of course we didn't know. Wouldn't
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you think maybe you would put somebody under a light
detector and test and say, did you really not translate that? No,
no mention of that. The put options, for those of
you don't know. To buy a put option, you're betting
that a company stock value is going to plummet, and
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if you buy at the right time and then it
goes way down and you buy a lot of that stock,
you can make millions, tens of millions of dollars. So
an enormous number of put options were purchased on American Airlines,
United Airlines, and Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, which had twenty
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two floors of the World Trade Center just the three
or four days prior to nine to eleven. So, first
of all, the CIA monitors this stuff. So if they're
going to say no advance warning, here's the clearest sign
in the world that United and American Airlines are going
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to be used to attack the World Trade Center? What
could be clearer. They don't discuss that. All they say is, well,
there's been a lot of hollabaloo about the put options,
but we checked it out and we found that this
was noted dance knowledge, because that's the accusation, of course,
that it was insider training, somebody trading, and somebody had
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advanced knowledge. And they say no, because we found the
agency that bought ninety five percent of the United Airlines
share and it was somebody who had no conceivable connection
to al Qaeda. So you see the circular argument. The
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official story is that the commission started with and ended
with is that the operation was pulled off entirely by
al Qaeda, and that nobody else knew about it. And
so if this guy didn't have a pipeline to al Qaeda,
he couldn't have. It was just a lucky guess. Osamavan Laden.
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There were good, strong reports by Lefebuer, the Swiss journalists
that in July of two thousand and one Osama bin Laden,
who was known as you know, he was the black Sheep.
He had been disowned by his own people and his
own family and the royal family, and he was the
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number one wanted in the world. There was a what
was a ten million dollar reward or whatever it was
prior to nine to eleven, but he was the number
one person wanted in the world. The FIBUA says he
was stayed in the because of his kidney problems. He
went to the American hospital in Dubai in the United
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Arab Emirates and was treated by an American doctor and
was visited by the local CI agent, visited by the
Saudi equivalent and members of the royal family. No mention
of this in the nine to eleven report. Do not
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mention that the bin Laden family we got together for
weddings where Osama and all these people who had disowned
him got together. They do not mention that the British
press decided that the whole hunt for Osama bin Laden
in Afghanistan was a charade. Remember this, when he was
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in the Torbora Mountains and we were bombing this road
and yet somehow he escaped into Pakistan. They didn't tell
us that. Well, there were two roads and we only
bombed one road and they went the other road. And
then you heard Carrie the other night pointing out that said,
we outsourced this job too. So rather than the US
military going after Ben Laden, no, no, we put under
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the locals. Well the locals were probably in you know,
so they don't tell you about this story about Gerald
Posner tells in his book He's otherwise very orthodox about
nine to eleven. Let's called Hawaii American slap. He says
that this guy Beda, who was one of the top
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three or four al Qaeda people in the world, who
was captured. Then he was put under interrogation by CIA
guys pretending to be because they were Arabs, pretending to
be from Saudi Arabia. So he said, oh, great, my
own countrymen. Let me tell you, uh, just call these
he had these numbers from memory. He said, call these
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members of the royal family and they'll tell you. I'm
the go between between the royal family and al Qaeda.
And they know all about this, so you know, be fine,
and the CIA agents and not after nine to eleven,
it won't because now all bets are off. They said,
oh now, now they knew ahead of time, they knew
they were going to be attacks on nine to eleven.
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It's no surprise to them. No mention of this. Now
Posner's story may be false, you know, he may be
an opportunist, and some people think he's just a lying person.
And no mention of it, even to refute it, which
you would think and remember in the first though of
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you who read the book, reading the preface said our
intention was to give the fullest possible account of the
events surrounding nine eleven. Well, this would be part of
the fullest possible account. No mention of Saudi funding of
al Qaeda. Now, some of you maybe have read Bob
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Graham's book. He reports that the nine to eleven Joint
inquiry that the House and Senate Intelligence Committees did in
two thousand and three on remember the twenty eight blocked
out pages that was about. He says here in the
book clearly that this was about Saudi government and particularly
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about Saudi government funding of al Qaeda. No mention of
this in the report except a disclaimer and this mantra
they have. We have found no evidence, they say, we
have found no evidence that any foreign government. We have
found no evidence that the Saudi government or any members
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of the royal family gave money to al Qaeda. Now,
Craig Unger in his book, have you read The House
of Bush, House of Sad, This is the book that
a lot of Michael Moore's movie was based on, and
Unger reports that there's no doubt about that Prince Bandar,
who is in tight with the Bush family, even known
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as Bandar Bush. He's the Saudi ambassador to Washington. That
he and his wife, particularly his wife, Princess Haisa, gave
about one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to a couple
in California, San Diego, allegedly for or a thyroid problem
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for the wife. And maybe she did have a thyroid problem,
and maybe it was all in, you know, innocent, but nevertheless,
the money then went from that family to two of
the alleged hijackers, Almidar and the other that was in
San Diego. And so this is documented both by Graham
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and by Unger. And yet they said, we found no
evidence that Princess Haifa gave any money, whether directly or indirectly,
whether intentionally or unintentionally. She just didn't give any period
or that is, we found no evidence that she gave
any That statement could be literally true if you can't
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find sometimes what you don't look for Saudi flights. Remember
this was the big to do about Michael Moore book,
and people came out and said, oh, that's just gross
distortion that there were any unauthorized flights that were carrying
the Saudis. The nine to eleven Commission says, yeah, no problem,
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nothing unusual went on. Craig Gunger reported that on September
thirteenth there was a flight from Tampa to Lexington that
carried three young Saudis to Lexington where one of the
big flights was going to take them out of the country.
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On the morning of September thirteenth. Craiggunger is very clear
about this. At eleven o'clock commercial flights were allowed. Private
planes were still not allowed. In fact, there was some
any politaria. You know about a note tam is that
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what they call it notice to all airman using the
old sexist language. It came out at ten fifty seven
saying warning airspace is only open for commercial flights. No
private flights will be allowed. You will be forced down
if you go up. The nine to eleven Commission just
says no problem. Air American airspace was open at eleven
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o'clock on that day and that flight didn't leave until
four point thirty in the afternoon. That is the complete,
the strongest examples of the complete dishonesty. They have to
know they're lying, and yet they also know that most
of the American people won't know any better, and so
they'll get five star reviews on Amazon dot com in
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spite of such things.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
FBI.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
There are so many stories about FBI obstruction of investigations
and so on. One of these, the most famous one
is by Colleen Rowley. Remember she was Time one of
the Time Persons of the Year because she blew the
whistle on this sabotage. She said within the FAA FBI
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headquarters that they wanted to get into Mussaui's laptop computer
because they thought he was going to fly planes into
the World Trade Center. So they applied for a FISA
FISA permit to investigate. They knew FISA would give it
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to him. They've hardly ever turned down an application in history.
So what does somebody in the headquarters down he sabotage
is said. He takes out the crucial information that shows
that what the French authorities had shown that Mussaue had
a connection to al Qaeda rebels in Chech. Now he
deletes that and then sends it to the superior to him,
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and the superior looks at it and says, ah, this
won't fly. I won't even send it to FISA. That's sabotage,
and Colleen Rowdy then exposed it. You will find Colleen
Rawley's name once in the book, but no reference at
all to this flap, which was important enough to get
her on the cover of Time magazine. That's an extreme
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example of a mission. Likewise, many of you know the
saga of Sabell Edmunds, who was propositioned by a fellow woman,
a fellow Turkish women, and they were doing they were
hired to do translations. After nine to eleven, she found
this woman was working for one of the foreign groups
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that they were supposed to be alleged investigating that woman
was either not translating the materials or mistranslating it, that
she and one of her superiors were smuggling materials out
of the FBI and giving them to this organization. Sabell
Edmunds test side for three and a half hours to
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the Commission, told him about all of this, told him
that her colleague Behus was participating in a message from Iran.
They had an asset in Iran who told him prior
to nine to eleven that Osama bin Laden was planning
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to attack the United States, and they were told to
shut up, just keep quiet about it. Beus went in
and testified for two hours, and you can be sure
he told about all this. His name is not even
mentioned in the nine to eleven report. Her name is
mentioned once in a note in which it says she
was one of four people who recommended that the FBI
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should tighten up its procedures Pakistan and the ISSI. The
ISI is intelligence services and it was set up by
the CIA. And you see, if there were evidence then
that the ISI were involved in nine to eleven, that
might suggest that the CIA was involved in nine to eleven.
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So it'd be very important to keep any such information away. Well,
Mahmoud Ahmed, the head of the ISI, how many of
you know this, was in Washington the week prior to
nine to eleven, meeting with George Tennant, head of CIA.
No mention of this. They mentioned that he showed up
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on the thirteenth, probably to come over and give condolences
and say what can I do to help, But there's
no mention that he was there prior to nine to eleven.
There was no mention that he and Tenant were meeting.
Five days before the leader of the Northern Alliance, Masoud Ahmed,
was assassinated and according to the Northern Alliance, by the ISI.
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And that made things easy then when we went in there,
because there were no leaders to challenge what the American
government wanted to put in place. Then word came from
India that this same chief of the IS, head of
the ISI, had had ordered another is SI agent to
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wire one hundred thousand dollars to Muhammadada shortly before nine
to eleven. So here you have the ISI up to
its eyeballs in nine to eleven planning, not a single
mention of any of this. And here's what shows the
other You know, we said, they said, we found no
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evidence of any foreign government funding. And of course when
you get to the back of the book, what are
the recommendations continued cooperation and funding of Pakistan and of
course continued cooperation with Saudi Arabia. So in other words,
you could really you start with the back of the
book and look at the recommendations, and then you can say,
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then you can figure out what they're going to discover.
Was the truth about nine to eleven? In other words,
this was all to get to our topic. This was
not truth driven, this was politics driven. The whole report
is politically driven not driven by a desire for truth.
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No mention of the fact that Daniel Pearl Wall Street
Journal reporter was murdered by if I. No mention that
this other guy that Polishner says that Abu fingered as
somebody in Pakistan who knew about nine to eleven ahead
of time. Also, oh, I forgot to tell you about
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Pausner's story. He mentioned three members of the royal family
who were the ones who knew about him and knew
about nine to eleven. All three of them die within
an eight day period, and that was, according to Posner
and Unger, just after the CIA had told Saudi intelligence
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about these three guys. So Prince Ahmed, who's forty one
years old, suddenly dies of a heart attack. The second
guy dies the next day in a single car accident
on his way to Ahmed's funeral. And then my favorite
is that the young guy who was only twenty one
died of thirst. He went out into the desert, and
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you know, just being twenty one years old, I probably
just forgot, Oh, in the desert, you need water. And
no mention of any of these anomalies in the nine
to eleven report, as if gee, this is something strange
we should look into. Okay, So the same thing happened
in Pakistan. Then this mirror died in one of these flights,
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even though the plane had just been checked. Of course
that was probably the problem. It had just been toocked.
No mention that another ISI agent in nineteen ninety nine
had looked at the World Trade Center he was being taped,
and said, those towers are coming down. So this is
a long term plan if that story is true. No
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mention in there about all the motives you if you're
gonna say, well, maybe the US government was involved, you'd say, well,
why you need a motive, Kui bono, who benefits? No
mention of the fact that the United States government had
a big appetite and big plants. So why did we
attack Iraq? Let's go to Afghanistan. Well, we were concerned
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about peace and human rights. Now, if you read any
of the books, it's all about the pipeline wars to
put in the gas and oil pipelines to bring down
oil gas from the Caspian Sea, which maybe the third
largest oil reserves oil and gas reserves in the world,
and be able to bring him down through Pakistan and Afghani.
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So they don't have to go through Iran or Russia.
And Unical was leading that consorts him to do this.
So read you know, Rashid's book on the Taliban tells
all about that. It's two chapters about romancing the Taliban,
how we were working with the Taliban to try to
bring this off. No mention of that, No mention that
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the three people who were in charge of our defenses
on nine to eleven, Donald Rumsfeld, General Myers, he was
in charge coincidentally just because Henry Shelton had to go
to Europe, so Myers was in charge. And Everhart, who
was the head of Norad. So they were the three
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in charge of our defenses. Those are the three biggest
supporters of the US Space Command, which we heard about
in the Sun. The Space Command is the big deal.
It's weaponizing space for absolute domination. It is estimated to
cost least a trillion dollars. That means we need to
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pony up. Even though the Cold War is over, We've
got to give more money to the military. How do
you get the American people ready to pony up? Well
in nineteen In two thousand, this group called the Project
for the New American Century that had Rumsfeld, Cheney, Pearl Wolfewitz,
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all sorts of people, many of whom became central members
of the Bush two administration, were members of this organization.
They put out a document called Rebuilding American's Defenses, and
in there they say, we need to do this rapid
transformation of the military, but it's going to go very
slowly absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event such as a
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new Pearl Harbor. The day the evening of nine to eleven,
evidently Bush wrote in his diary, I think the new
Pearl Harbor happened of the twenty first century, happened today
After nine to eleven, Rice, Cheney, Bush were all going
around saying this nine to eleven provides great opportunities for us.
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No mention of that. The word opportunity. You know, there's
in the nine to eleven report. There's an index. You
go on Internet and look up any word, look up opportunities.
You will not find opportunities in the mouth of any
member of the administration Iraq. No mention of the fact
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that this same group had been chomping at the bit
to attack a rock ever since Papa Bush wouldn't do
it back in ninety one, they were very upset with
him in the report, no mention that we might have
some interest in the oil. Carrie the other night, in
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my moment, the broudest moment, he said, what happened when
we went to Iraq? We ignored everything. Everything was chaos
except the oil ministries. We protected the oil ministries. Furthermore,
he said, we're building fourteen military bases. If you read
Chalmers Johnson's book, that's what it's all about. Oil and
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bases are two sides of the same coin. That's what
it's about. You would not get an inkling of that.
We were just going over to take care of Saddam
because he was a bad man. Okay, I'll have to
draw this to and end. Let me just say that
when my book comes out in six weeks, the second
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part of the book, which is dealing with the nine
to eleven report, defending the military, going through flight eleven one,
seventy five, seventy seven, and then ninety three, this is
by far every reader reads it and says, this is
(54:04):
the strongest part of the book. And I'm sorry I
didn't get to it today. But then I want you
to buy my book. But when you get to this part.
You will say Part one is mild, compares with the
lies in part two. Let me just give one example.
The big question is did we shoot down? Did we
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our own military shoot down flight ninety three? And many
people have argued Cheney was down in the underground shelter
masterminding this operation. What does the nine to eleven report do.
It tells you, well, Cheney didn't get down there till
ten o'clock and then the flight was down at ten
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oh three. No way he could have done it, and
then he didn't give the shootdown order till ten fifteen
ten ten, ten fifteen. Norman Minetta, Secretary of Transportation, testified
to the nine to eleven Commission, that he got to
the White House about nine fifteen, checked in with Richard Clark.
This corresponds exactly to Richard Clark what he says in
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his book Against All Enemies, went down to the underground shelter,
got there by nine to twenty. Cheney was already there,
was clearly in charge. There was a guy coming in
talking about this flight is fifty miles out? Does this
order stand? This was probably whatever was coming towards the Pentagon,
which in the book they tell you Gee we didn't
know anything about it two minutes ahead of time, and
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here we have it, you know, almost twenty minutes ahead
of time. And so they make up this story that
Bush didn't get Cheney, didn't get taken down to the
underground shelter, and didn't actually get in there till till
ten o'clock. So they lie by probably Richard Clark's account
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suggests that Cheney went down about nine to twelve, So
they lie by almost an hour there, and they tell you, well,
this was in the logs, but the Secret Service says, well,
those logs somehow got destroyed. We don't have that information,
but you know, we can trust the Secret Service. So
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the biggest lies are in Part two, particularly with regard Well,
let me summarize. You've got three stories now, had three
stories about nine to eleven. The first few days after
nine to eleven, Myers, Norad and others were saying, we
didn't send up any flights until after the Pentagon was hit. Well,
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that wasn't going to watch. That looks like a stand
down where you say, well, just let it happen. So
then they start telling us, and CBS says, on Tuesday night,
oh no, they set up flights, but they just didn't
get there on time, and that became official. Then on
September eighteenth, they came out with their timeline. They said,
here's when the FAA told us, and here's when we
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scrambled airplanes and unfortunately they just couldn't get there in time. Now,
then in the in the meantime, critics have looked at
those timelines and said, you still could have made it.
You could have stopped flight one seventy five. You certainly
could have stopped flight seventy seven, assuming it was And
(57:23):
so we've got a third story here. They give us
a new timeline which says we had nine minutes notice
for flight eleven, and that wasn't enough because it took
eight minutes for needs nor Add in Northeast to call
Florida to get permission to send up planes, which is ridiculous.
(57:45):
An eight minute phone call when you've got a crisis
and then no warning whatsoever. So they tell you that
what we've been told since September eighteenth is all faults.
When September eighteenth, NORAD's timeline said we got a notification
of flight one seventy five at eight forty three. The
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nine eleven Commission says, no, that was a mistake. They didn't.
We didn't. They didn't know about it until the South
Tower was hit. And then flight seventy seven they said, well,
we got notification at nine twenty four. No, no, no,
no notification. We only heard about it two minutes ahead
of time, just in time to send up a guy
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and look at it and say, yeah, that's a Bowling
seven fifty seven, all right, just before it crashed. And
then with flight ninety three, no warning whatsoever. So just
a complete rewriting of history and revisionism is fine, but
you've got to show why the old story was false
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and why the news story is more credible. They don't
do that. They just say that was incorrect, that was incorrect.
Here's the truth. And then you look at the notes.
It looks very sky because they've got all these books
and notes in the back. But you look at the
crucial ones and it says interview with General Myers, interview
with General Everhart, interview with the Secret Service, interview with
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the FBI agents. I hate to tell you this, but
this is the sad story of truth and politics in
Washington in these here days. Thank you very much.
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