Classic Audio: Virus Deception History by Dr Robert Willner

From 1994: Dr Robert Willner, author of the famous book "Deadly Deception", stated that viruses do not cause disease. He supported the Terrain theory and debunked the idea that sex and HIV do not cause AIDS.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is
your host, George Hobbs.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Welcome back truthseekers from around the world. It's time for
another edition of our classic audio series. Tonight, we're going
back thirty years to nineteen ninety four Virus Deception History
with doctor Robert Wilner, author of the book Deadly Deception.
He proved that viruses do not cause disease. He also

(00:37):
was a big supporter of terrain theory and debunked the
idea that sex and HIV do not cause AIDS. Very
interesting seventy five minutes or so. I hope you enjoy
this conversation. Again, this gentleman, doctor Wilner was not a
fan of Doctor Fauci, like so many folks throughout the

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last forty years or so have come out and stated
as well, God bless you all. I hope you have
a tremendous week, take care of yourselves, and a great
episode for you this Tuesday night. Don't miss it. Without
any further ado. From nineteen ninety four, here is doctor
Robert Wilner and Virus Deception History.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Okay, folks, on the half of Project Dai's International. I'd
like to thank you for coming to this press conference,
doctor Wilner, MDPHD. We'll be giving an explanation in just
a moment on what we're doing here and what you
will be doing with our volunteer, who is Kim Prius,

(01:44):
who is an HIV positive individual. Today, Doctor Wilner will
be infecting himself. You will first explain what he will
be doing as well as why he will be doing.
Directly after his inoculation, Doctor Wihner will be explaining any
questions that you have. There will be a question and

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answer period, and I would like to take this opportunity
to welcome doctor Wihoner.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I don't know if you can hear me without the MIC.
I can hear it, okay. And because I've done this
needle sticking several times already, I'm familiar with some of
the things that are put into the press afterwards, and

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so I want to make a few things very clear
before I even start. I have a certificate in sex education,
and I taught for a couple of years at the
University of Miami Medical School during sex education Week. To
the medical student, I want to make it perfectly clear

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that I support responsible sex. I call it responsible sex
because it goes much further than the concept of safe sex,
and I'm not so sure that I know what safe
sex is. During this period of time in which the

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especially young people of this country have been threatened with AIDS,
a death dealing.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Disease supposedly.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
As a consequence of irresponsible sexual behavior, the incidence of
an aerial disease has climbed, and the incidence of births
without benefit.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Of marriage has also climbed.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
But not AIDS. Really very interesting, So this apparently does
not have an effect on the sexual behavior of our
young people, and I never for once thought that ever would,
that never has throughout history. There's only one thing that
will affect sexual behavior, and that's understanding what the responsibilities

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of sex are. That number one, you're dealing with the
feelings and emotions and the lives of another human being
when you enter into a sexual contract. Number two, you
can contract six venereal diseases, and number three, an unwanted

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pregnancy can occur amongst heterosexuals at least. These are very
serious and very important considerations, and the lack of consideration
and responsibility in this area creates a cost in human
suffering that's incalculable and a cost in moneies that is incredible.

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So don't anyone out there say that I am for
irresponsible sex. But I am against lying to our young people.
I am against causing death and destruction.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Through that lie.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I am against telling a lie to the young people
so that they continue in other behaviors which are truly
causing AIDS. Now, you've got to ask yourself the reason
that I'm here today, and it's been suggested that I'm
here to sell a book called Deadly Deception. There's only

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two ways that you can get the truth to people,
by your own words, out of your own mouth, and
by putting them on paper. And that's the reason for
the book we're talking about probably the most horrible scandal
and scam ever perpetrated, not only in the name of science,

(06:05):
but in humanity and in all history. Today is December seventh,
and I was twelve years old when the attack on
Pearl Harbor came. And I remember World War Two very well,
and it's a very significant day today because I see

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an incredible parallel between what is going on in the
so called AIDS epidemic in what happened in the years
proceeding and resulting in World War Two, the great lie
of Hitler.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
I think he would envy the job being done by
members of the National Institutes of Health and even the media,
especially in this country. I charged the media with part
of the response ability, and a very significant one in
a current holocaust that can end up being worse than

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the one that occurred during World War II. When it
was first announced that doctor Robert Gallo had found the
virus that probably caused AIDS, and that announcement was made
with Margaret Heckler in nineteen eighty four to the press

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and to the media, without one single scientific document appearing
in any journal in the United States, and as we
know now, without any proof whatsoever that the virus caused
any disease. The media picked up on it for the
sake of a story, and soon the virus that probably

(07:51):
caused AIDS was now the virus that caused AIDS. It
was proven in the press and nowhere else.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Now.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
It's interesting A lot of questions are asked of me
whenever I appear before the cameras and do what some
people have called a stunt to sell books. I'm from
the planet Earth. I honestly believe that these individuals are
from the planet Uranus. How anyone could suggest that I

(08:22):
would stick myself with a virus that is supposedly deadly
for the purpose of selling a book that's complete insanity.
And I will put the lie to the individuals of
the NIH, particularly Gallo and Foucy.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
And Hazeltine and Essex.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
And the rest of these scoundrels of the worst order criminals,
guilty of genocide without a doubt. I invite them to
take me to court. I wish Burrows welcome would take
me to court because they have been putting out a
killer drug knowingly. Because in a court of law, I

(09:03):
would have the opportunity to provide the absolute proof and
evidence as I have in my book, Deadly Deception. Now
I'm not alone in what I'm doing here today? How
does the press escape such obvious truths? Why would the
finest virologist in the world, the most noted virologist, member

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of our National Academy of Sciences, Peter Dowsburg, Why would
he put his entire career on the line. What did
he have to gain? He's already lost his laboratory and
his funding. They can't take away his professorship because he's tenured.
Why would Charles A. Thomas, Professor Emeritith of Harvard say

(09:50):
the same thing. Why would Carrie Mullis, who won the
Nobel Prize in virology last year, why would he stick
his neck out? What did he have to gain? These
are the questions reporters should be asking. And in order

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to sell a book, I would inoculate myself with a
virus that supposedly is deadly everything that maybe we all
know something that you just don't get. That if you
take the virus out of the equation, you have a
perfectly understandable disease with a perfectly understandable answer. And I

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might remind you in case you are not aware of it,
and if you haven't read my book, that we have
known what causes acquired immune deficiency diseases for at least
seventy years.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
It's in the medical textbooks. It's there for you to read.
Number One cause on the face of this earth is
nonnutrition and starvation. That's African.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Look to the headlines of the October third issue of
the London Times Sunday Times last year and the inside
headlines that screamed across two pages.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
The Plague that Never Was.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Speak to Philip and Evelyn Krinan, who had partage with
an organization of two hundred and fifty people, their own hospital,
their own doctors, their own laboratories, who have lived in
the heart of the epidemics supposedly or the supposed epidemic
for five years. There is no epidemic. It doesn't exist.

(11:35):
They are there. They're not some.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Character who goes through from.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
The World Health Organization and says, oh, I've seen the
people dying. Of course you have. We all saw them
on television and Somalia. What do you think you were
looking at? That was AIDS through the starvation due to malnutrition.

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There's no big secret what's causing AIDS. We've known it
for seventy years. Number two is drugs. And don't just
think of street drugs, because the number one cause of
AIDS today is actually two medical drugs. AZT a drug

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that was discovered in the sixties as a chemotherapeutic drug
for cancer and were shelved because it was too toxic
to treat cancer. A drug worse than cancer. It's being
too used to treat people who are immunosuppressed. Now let's
go back to the other causes of ADS. So it's

(12:48):
not only street drugs but medical drugs. But now three
is radiation, whether they worry about it, Chernobyl and Nagasaki
and Hiroshima. But number four is chemotherapy. Number four, the

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number four cause of death of acquired immune deficiency diseases.
Chemotherapy and the most toxic chemotherapeutic drug of all times,
AZT is what they're now using to treat AIDS. And
the Concord study completed last year. Now can you imagine

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saying to the world, where was the press?

Speaker 5 (13:39):
Where are you people.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Here? They're giving a drug that costs thousands of dollars
a year and it doesn't do any good. That's if
you want to believe that. But did anybody here bother
to look at the insert the paper that comes with
the drug. It's a DNA terminator. It means it is
a terminator like the movie It terminates life. You terminate DNA,

(14:06):
you terminate life. And they talk about side effects in
the insert. When are you going to learn there is
no such thing as a side effect in medicine. It's
an unwanted direct effect. And you know what one of
the unwanted direct effects of AZT is lymphoma cancer. One

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of the diseases of AIDS as they call it. Oh.
Another so called side effect which is really an unwanted
direct effect pan cytopenia. You need a definition pan cideopenia,
pan all cido cells, penia, loss of.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
Loss of all your cells. That's aides.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
That is the definition of AIDS. So AZT, by definition
by their own drug insert causes as and no. But
he survives AZT that will eventually lead to your death.
And they've cut the dosage way down because it was
killing them too fast. It's like giving somebody a large
dose of strychnine and they die within five minutes. And

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so the next person, you give them a few drops
of it and they last four or five days, and
you say, STRYC nine's a wonderful drug. This person lasts
five times longer. This is the kind of thing that
they present to the world. Now. I have offered for
over a year now, and I continue to offer it
one hundred thousand dollars to anyone will give me one

(15:36):
scientific document that proves that HID causes any serious disease.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
It is a scandal and a scam beyond belief. The
virologists who are responsible for this.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
What do they have to gain?

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Now? I don't know what Dewsbury had to gain, or
Charles A. Thomas or Carrie Mullis. He already got his
noble prize. Why does he come out and say and
he's the one that found the test the PCR reaction,
and he said that there is no body of evidence
that supports that the virus causes any disease whatsoever. But

(16:18):
what about the individuals who have perpetrated this lie? They
are all multi millionaires. What do we have to say
about the National Institutes of Health When a private laboratory,
independent laboratory found AZT to be one thousand times more
toxic than the laboratory of the NIH. We can understand

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a five percent era in a laboratory, even a ten
percent era, but a ten thousand percent, ever, one hundred
thousand percent error, that's fraud. And as I understand that
the word has gone out and there's even documents and
letters to prove it that the CDC, the same organization

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that let blacks go untreated with syphilis, well documented just
to see what would happen with the disease the same
organization who had to admit that they can't give on
and give in on the ADS thing now, because nobody
would ever be able to trust the government. I think
the last election tells us what the people think about government.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
But science is acting no differently than.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Politicians do, and now we have disease by politics. Isn't
it strange that the same day or the day after
Robert Gallo filed for a test for HIV after it
was announced.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
This sounds like free meditation.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
You mean, he just happened to have this test available,
and so the same day or the following day he
filed for a patent.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
He had a test.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
He was simply looking for some of a disease you
wanted to apply it to. And that test, thirty thousand
Russians who tested positive for HIV were then tested with
another test that's supposedly far more accurate to confirm the positivity,
and sixty six out of thirty thousand proved to be positive.

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That means that the test HIV is ninety nine point
nine nine seven percent inaccurate. You want to take a
test that's three thousands of a percent, right, and you're
going to rely on that. But that's what they're doing
to people out there. They're taking a test that is
not only invalid, it's totally misleading. In fact, when you

(18:43):
get results like that, then I would say you're going
to be more correct that if you're read as being negative,
consider yourself positive, and if you're positive, consider yourself negative.
By the way, at the request of many individuals, I
did go for a test a couple of weeks ago
in New York City at the big clinic there that
does more testing than anybody else, And the doctor who

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ran it was bragging about the fact that he did more.
When I told him about the book I wrote, he said.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Don't say anything, my patience might hear.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I tested negative, and of course Fauci said that you
need or when he was answering what I did in
Cleveland a week ago, he said, well, he's going to
have to stick himself three hundred times to transmit the virus.

(19:36):
Where are you people in the press three hundred times
to transmit a virus. You cannot have an epidemic under
those circumstances. If you can't transmit it by blood, you
certainly can transmitted sexually. Unless you're into real statistic acts

(19:57):
during sex. I don't know how much blood you on
a draw. It's literally unbelievable what they're getting away with.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
How does the press let this go?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh? An epidemic? The United States government says twelve thousand
people died each year from nineteen eighty five to nineteen
ninety two. Now, a child in public school will tell
you an epidemic starts out in one year. You got
everybody's involved. That's where they would put it. Twelve thousand
a year for seven years in a row. That's not

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epidemic by definition. It's endemic, and you would expect in
seven years, considering it spread sexually, that you'd have probably
fifteen to twenty million. We're a pretty active country when
it comes to saints. We like to put it down,
but we sure belie it in that behavior that we do. Oh,

(20:54):
an epidemic really in Russia one hundred and five deaths
from AIDS since nineteen eighty seven, In Philippines eighty deaths
since nineteen eighty four epidemics, There is no epidemic. But

(21:19):
who has to gain from this, doctor Dusburg? What is
he gaining from this? That alone should alert the press
to who's telling the truth and if you hear an
argument amongst politicians and one calls the other names and
doesn't answer the specific charges scientifically, who's the liar? Falci

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and Gallo? Instead of answering the scientific conflicts and contradictions
that Dr Dusburg has so brilliantly pointed out, Instead of
answering them, they call them a homophobe. Can you imagine
I've been called a homophobe too?

Speaker 5 (22:10):
I wonder I come here with a message of hope.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
To not only the gays, but to the blacks and
the Hispanics, and they all the other outcasts of society, which,
strangely enough, are the only groups that have been connected
with the so called ads. Because you see, if you
belong to one of those groups, you've got a's. But
if you don't belong to one of those groups, you

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get the respectable diagnosis of you have tuberculosis, you have lymphoma,
you have leukemia, you have proposi, sarcoma, numa, sistus, pneumonia,
thirty plus diseases.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Where is the press?

Speaker 2 (22:52):
How do they buy a story that a virus knows
what country it's in, vitims in Africa, but thirty diseases
in the United States and Europe. How do they buy
the story that a virus has prejudices. It prefers men

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of a women nine to one in the United States
and Europe, but men and women equally in Africa. It
knows whether you're gay or straight, married, a single, black
or white. It should be hired by the Immigration Department
because it does one heck of a job. This is

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what they've been feeding to the public, and this is
what you and the press have published. It's funny every
time that I've stuck myself with a needle, I get
calls from major television shows by excited young people who
want to tell the truth, and then I get a
call three days later telling me that it's been.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Mixed at a higher level.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
That's no surprise, after all, Who am I fighting two
drug industries, one supposedly legitimate and the other illegitimate. And
they do an awful lot of advertising the supposed legitimate ones.

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All those things out there that they sell for your
colds and everything else. That's the pharmaceutical industry. And they
also put out prescription drugs, most of them, and they
pull up purse strings. And so we have a better
propaganda machine in the United states than Hitler had in
his time. You see, Hitler pulled off a lie.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
And he was condemned for it by most of the world.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Although believed by three major groups of the Axis powers,
the liars and killers like fouci In, Gallo, Hazeltine and
Essex and Flossivan Staal and the Mark officials. These people

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are getting by with the lie and getting paid immense
sums of money for it and praise from the.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
Rest of the world while they murder.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
The study at the University of Miami was completely fraudulent.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
You see, I believed that the virus caused.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
AIDS from nineteen eighty four to eighty eight, and I
treated AID'S patients one of the few doctors willing to
Doctors were scared for their lives to even treat the patient.
By the way, sticking my finger nothing new. I did
it lots of times in treating my aid S patients.
And in fact, it's amazing that, in spite of the

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fact that we are at such great exposure to this
deadly disease, the incidents of these amongst the medical personnel
of all types is less than the general population. This
is a first in the history of science.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
Think about that.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
How is it possible maybe the virus has nothing to
do with it, not only maybe the virus has nothing
to do with it. In nineteen eighty eight, I was
invited to a dinner where Burrow's Welcome was going to
push AZT as a drug for treating AIDS, and we
were told we could ask questions during the dinner because

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Margaret Fischel was going to be speaking.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
And when she mentioned.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
That the drug AZT had fifty six side effects, I
raised my hand and I said, doctor Ficial, how do
you do a double blind study on a drug with
fifty six side effects?

Speaker 5 (26:50):
You've got to know if you're on the drug.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
And she said to me and the rest of the
doctors sitting there, well, the placebo thirty one.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
And I raised my hand again.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
How could a placebo have thirty one side effects? How
could an inert substance have thirty one side effects? I
didn't know what was wrong then, but I knew there.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Was something wrong.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I knew there was something dreadfully wrong, and I didn't
know how dreadfully wrong and how deadly wrong it was.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
But the answer came years later.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
The FDA, as you probably know, released AZT after four
months of a proposed six month study. They cut it
short because one group, in this double blind study where
nobody knew who was on what, one group was doing
better than another group, and so out of compassion they

(27:58):
terminated the study. I don't blame them for that. And
sure enough, the AZT group was doing so much better
than the placebo group, and so they released the drug.
But then eighteen months later, their own investigator from the

(28:19):
FDA brought back his report and guess.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
What it showed Her participants in the study.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Knew the first week who was on the drug and
who wasn't. You didn't have a double blind study. It
wasn't the catallact of studies. Not only that some of
those on AZT admitted to sharing their drug with members
of the placebo group. That explains the thirty one side
effects in the placebo group.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Some of them were taking AZT side effects.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
And by the way, that makes it a complete washout
as a scientific study. Right then and there, the drug
should have been discontinued, called back.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
But then came the kicker in this report.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
The individuals on the AZT in the four months of
the study received six times more blood transfusions.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
Than the placebo group.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
What happens when you get a blood transfusion. You look better,
you feel better, and you live a little bit longer.
But the most important question, and lesson from all of this,
you must ask the question, why did those on AZT
need six times more transfusions in a four month period

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than the individuals on the placebo Because you're dealing with
a killer drug and you need those blood transfusions to survive.
And coincidentally they made you look a little bit better
and healthier than the other group. And then after I
go through all this, invariably someone's going to ask the question,
so what really causes AIDS? And I had to say

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it ten times or twenty times in my book.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
And I'm going to say it again.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Now we have known for seventy years why the other
individuals in the study died. The number one causes malnutrition
and starvation. Well to an extent, that was true of
some of these individuals, but only true because of the
second reason, the number two causes drugs. You recall you,

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fellows and gals and the press. A couple of weeks
ago you reported in your newspapers that we were killing
off our senior citizens with too many drugs. How do
you cure them? You get them off the drugs? And
how are these people dying of so called aids from

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the number two cause drugs, both medical and street drugs.
But one in particular that stood out and has been
linked by twenty four scientific papers with Kaposi sarcoma, and
that's poppers or amyl nitrite. It's very rare that you
see a case of Kaposi sarcoma in Africa because they

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don't use poppers. And this is the first disease, human
disease we can't give to a simian monkey. And I'm
talking about legitimate diseases, because you see, the virologists have
been coming up with more diseases than you can imagine,
and haven't you bothered to notice most of them never
pan out, They disappear from the headlines and they never

(31:40):
heard of again because they weren't diseases really in the
first place. Like SMN a disease in Japan. For fifteen years,
they pursued viruses.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
What it turned out to.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Be into a fire form a drug for diarrhea that
they were using over there. Amazing, isn't it, And they
spent fifteen years in lots of millions of dollars. But
guess what our virologists have done.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
Wow, they hold a candle to no one.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
For twenty years and Nixon's War on cancer, they spent
over twenty billion dollars looking for a virus that caused cancer,
and they came up empty handed. They not only couldn't
find a retrovirus, which was the ideal choice because it
doesn't kill cells and it's multiplied by the cells, which

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is what cancer cells do. But they never found any
disease that have caused But guess what they chose for
the scam of AIDS. A retrovirus Already twenty billion dollars
in twenty years. We found nothing that it does. And
we also found that absolutely it doesn't kill cells. Because it did,

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it would commit suicide. It needs to sell in order
to replicate, to be alive, so the epidemic would be
over before it began.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
It's impossible, but this is the virus.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
They've just spent another twenty billion dollars in only ten
years time, and they're asking for more. And now they
want to give us a vaccine. See, oh will they
make money with that? They not only have a test

(33:32):
for HIV, which, by the way, is not for the virus.
It's for immunity. Like I say, it's the first disease
in the history of medicine. When you're immune to it,
you're going to die from it. But now they want
to give us a vaccine to test HIV tests for antibodies,

(33:55):
not for the virus. Well, antibodies is what you get
when you use a vaccine. You want to produce antibodies
to fight the disease. I at a loss to understand.
If we already have the antibodies, why do we want
to create the antibodies? Kind of redundant, isn't it. Oh
by the way, if you take these very same antibodies

(34:18):
and you put them in Gallo's culture in his laboratory,
you just ruined his multimillion dollar culture that he's making
a fortune out of, because you see these antibodies destroy
the culture. Does the press bother reading? Do they understand

(34:39):
the English language? And yet you want to condemn me
and say that I'm out for publicity? Well, what is
it that Peter Diusburg is out for? He held the
reputation and still amongst honest scientists as being the foremost
virologist in the world.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
What does carry Molis out for? He just won the
Nobel Prize.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Why does he want to put at risk that incredibly
marvelous reputation of being a Nobel Prize one. Why would he.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
Put that at risk?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Unless maybe there's still some honest scientists surround.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Now, what about the rest of them out there?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
You know, I often ask myself the question, if my
children were still in school, and I had house payments
to make, and I had to put them through school, etc.
Would I be doing what I'm doing today. I don't
think I've ever answered the question because I'm kind of
afraid of what I might answer if I was going
to answer honestly. And here is without sin, shouldn't be

(35:43):
casting any stones. So I won't cast the stones at
the thousands and thousands and thousands of virologists out there
who are going along with this scam, because you see,
they would be out of jobs if they dared criticize
Margaret Heckler or the heads of the NIH. They'd be
out of jobs, and they'd have families that they have

(36:03):
to support in futures that would be down the drain.
You don't cross the establishment, and so the lie is
being perpetuated by the silence. And even Gallo would say
to the press and answer to the question what does

(36:23):
he have to say about Dowsburg's challenges, And he says, well,
if we're wrong, why do so many people believe us?
I mean, I could just see Hitler and his stormtroopers
saying to the press, if where we're wrong, why does
everybody do what we tell them to do? Because they're

(36:46):
running the show and you're looking at not just a
simple lie of science. From the back of my book,
I have the picture of Patriot Cassino of Spain, father
to young girls, a heemophiliac. Nothing wrong with the man,
but because he received so called tainted blood, they had

(37:07):
him on AZT. I stuck myself to get that man
off AZT. I said, if I stick myself with your blood,
will it convince you there's nothing to worry about. Pedro Casino,
now over a year later, is very healthy, having a
wonderful life, enjoying his two young daughters. But all of

(37:29):
his friends are dying or are dead. This is real,
and I don't blame those scientists out there are keeping
their mouth shut because their jobs depend on it. And
I understand that exists in the press too, But you've
got organizations, and in a way, so do the virologists

(37:52):
have organizations. And if enough of the honest ones would
stand up and take that chance, if you all stand together,
you make a statement. And you can do that in
your press associations. Even though the people who owned the
newspapers and the television shows are afraid of losing their sponsors,

(38:15):
you can at least keep your dignity. That's the choice
you have to make, and that's the choice that I
have had to make. I figured that if I didn't
do what I knew was right, I'd end up cutting
my throat shaving in the morning because I wouldn't be
able to live with myself. And that's the honest, simple truth.

(38:38):
I am sticking my finger to bring attention to the
current holocaust, and it's a dreadful one. When you terminate
the DNA of a human being, they waste away and
die in an inhuman fashion. We all have the right
to die with dignity. But if we told them the truth,

(39:04):
a lot of them wouldn't die at all. They'd simply
get off the poppers and off the drugs.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
And there's no dishonor.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
In being gay, in admitting that you've been on drugs,
the decent human beings in this world will give you
the support and help you, like we help drug addicts
of all followings, so to speak. Those that would turn
against you have turned against you anyway because of what

(39:38):
you feel and what you are. And there are even
some religious groups who have turned against the gays and
said it was God's vengeance. How can you believe in
a loving God and believe that that God would cause
such a terrible disease amongst humans. Now, this is a
man caused disease. We all make mistakes in life, and

(40:02):
that shouldn't stop the compassion and the love and the
understanding of decent human beings. And so I do the
act of sticking my finger and create another blood brother
in my life, as the ancient Indians have done. And
I will get another one today because I'm not afraid

(40:24):
of getting AIDS. I know as a scientist that there
is nothing to fear. I know what causes AIDS. I
am not going to lie to others nor myself about it.
I don't like sticking myself with a needle because it hurts.
And if you've ever seen my expression on pictures. You

(40:45):
know that to be true. So kim fraid us game
are you here? We're going to become blood brothers. And
please to the press and to everyone else. I don't

(41:08):
intend to stick myself three hundred times because it wouldn't
prove anything anyway. Oh might I say that a doctor
gotlieb who achieved fame for being the doctor that noted
the first four or five cases of AIDS, who said
to me on a radio broadcast the other night, he
would believe me if I took a leader of blood

(41:30):
that's a transfusion of blood.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
And I said, you know, you must be mad.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
What is that going to prove? If you need a
leader of blood to get AIDS, then nobody's going to get.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
AIDS in any case.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Well, I got to do myself first, and then I
have to do you here. But let me do your finger. Okay,
I mean I got to do you first, right, excuse me?
They are going to do me. Excuse me? I have
that backwards all right in a minute? A fine, This
is a heck of a time to lose my need.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Okay, plades and gentlemen, this is a typical butterfly needle
set if somebody has a scissor and I got it. Okay,
it's sterile, and usually we use it to take blood
by sticking this in and then we can inject things also,

(42:27):
so let's do that. We got this, okay, Yeah, let
me put my glasses on. Okay, I think you'd rather
do that. I got to tell you a cute little story.
Shortly after my son was born many years ago, he's
now forty. He got some kind of an infection or whatnot,

(42:50):
and I spoke to pediatrician at the hospital. I was
an intern at the time, and he said, go home
and give him a shot of penicillin. So I took
the syringe and everything home, and my wife held Bruce
over her shoulder and I grabbed this little bottom cheek
and I go like this, and I stuck it right
into my thumb. So you can tell.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
I don't like doing this.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Never have okay, and we want to get a lot
of blood. There we go, Okay, there we go. I'm
wiping this needle thoroughly in this blood. And I say
to my friend's Foucy and gottlieb and gallopin and gallo

(43:32):
and all the rest of those criminals, all right, that
this is for the sake of humanity and no other reason. Right,
and believe me, it hurts. And this is in the

(43:55):
hope that will save the lives of millions of individuals
who will die because of the greatest lie ever told, drugs.
Get off drugs. He's right, get off drugs.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
Now.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I will be happy to take questions from the press
or from anyone for that matter, to clarify in your
minds if there's any doubt whatsoever, Yes, you said, you

(44:36):
said that you.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
Were tested in New York by a leading position there
can you say.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yes, it was in the Greenwich Village area. In fact, Karen,
I think you have the issue of the native that
a should be in the back of the native. If
you'll get it, we'll give you the name and the
address of the clinic because it's widely advertised and that's
where I went, where everybody else is going. And he's
recognized by the State of New York, and the forms

(45:05):
he uses which I filled out are from the State
of New York. And by the way, I do have
a copy of the document which states that he gives
you the answer to the test in fifteen minutes, so
it's quite a racket. And by the way, it's very
interesting because that you asked the question, because you see,
I was in a quandary as to what possible purpose

(45:29):
could this serve. If you have a test that's ninety
nine nine seven percent inaccurate, what are you proving you
would treat somebody with a deadly drug on the basis
of a test that's totally worthless. And by the way,
let me point out that a research group in Australia
in the past year have stated that not only is

(45:54):
the test completely inaccurate, it's totally nonspecific. You could be
positive if you had the measles, if you had the flu,
if you had a flu shot from your doctor, or
if you had any one of one hundred diseases. Let's
look at the scenario. This is serious business. Somebody gets

(46:17):
the flu or gets a flu shot this year. But
so what.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
You're finally suggesting is that the man that you use,
this prominent physician in Greenwich Village, he in fact said,
don't tell anybody about this, because I'm making money off
of these tests. You're finally saying to people, don't get tested.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I am saying absolutely do not get tested? Would you
advise anybody to take a test that's ninety.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Nine point nine wrong?

Speaker 2 (46:47):
And you're saying this, that's insanity. And by the way,
when I said to this physician, when he asked me
why I was there, and I told him I was
a doctor, I said, because I'm in a heavy risk group.
We said, aren't we all and laughed about it, because
everybody knows that the medical profession sticks itself all the times.

(47:13):
And the only individuals are going to die of ades
who are part of the medical profession in any way,
shape or form are those who are taking AZT or
other drugs. All right, you said that age.

Speaker 7 (47:28):
Is not an epidemic, is an endemic circumstance, but by
variety of factors, including malnutrition and drug use. How then,
can you explain the years of potential life loss in
the two hundred and fifty thousand plus people who have
died of age according to CDC definition, where drug use
has been going on for centuries and suddenly we're losing

(47:51):
people in their twenties and thirties.

Speaker 8 (47:53):
Because I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
What you're Okay, that's an excellent question, really, and you're
using your head. That's the kind of question you should
have been asked of Gallo at the very beginning. And
by the way, you said, twenties and thirties our healthiest people.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
And it's strange you.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Got a disease, the first disease in the history of mankind.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
That affects our healthiest.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
But what happened in the sixties, the drug culture began.
What happened in the seventies, it ate it up. At
the end of the seventies, the gaze came out of
the closet and became an identifiable group.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
Now I'll ask.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
You in the sense of redundant question, but yeah, I
think it'll get the point across. I'm gonna name five
of thirty diseases. Tuberculosis a new disease, Lymphoma, Oh, that's
a new disease too, Leukemia, Oh, yes, that's a very
new disease too, Numa's sisters pneumonia another new disease, but
nless you're known. And Kaposi sarcoma another new disease. No,

(48:56):
these diseases in the other twenty five have always been around.
It's real easy, it's real simple to create an epidemic.
You simply take a bunch of diseases and put them
under one heading and then claim that one virus.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Is responsible for it.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Well, that's nonsense. First of all, let me offer the proof.
The reason it appeared, which I think is the essence
of your question, as though it were some new epidemic
coming on, is because it appeared in a select population,
the gay population. But it only is appearing in gays
who are on drugs and especially and substance abuse. Right,

(49:38):
and remember, by the way, too, that alcohol is a drug.
And remember these individuals, many of them extremely promiscuous, would
get one denurial disease after another, and they'd be taking
antibiotics for these diseases all year long. And it's a
matter of medical fact that antibiotics.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
Are im press it.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Now, let me offer one very important bit of investigative
reporting for you. It was reported in the newspapers a
couple of years ago that this HIV was found in
blood that had been preserved in laboratories in the nineteen forties.
They went back and looked at some of these samples.
They found HIV, which by the way, has been around

(50:23):
certainly for thousands of years. But let's just use that
one example. If we had HIV in the population in
the nineteen forties. And we had homosexuals in the nineteen forties.
And by the way, according to Kinsey, ten to fifteen

(50:45):
percent of the heterosexual population preferred anal intercourse. Where in
the world was your epidemic. It wasn't suitable for a
scoundrel black Robert Gallo in the nineteen forties. He wasn't
old enough or maybe he was born just about that
time for somebody to come along and to pull off
a scam of this magnitude. And now they're caught up

(51:07):
in a mailstream. Now, if the truth gets out, yes,
it will deal a blow to the credibility of the
NIH and the CDC and the FDA and the AMA,
and my god, it is sorely needed. That blow is
necessary to clean up the act.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
These cool lifetime drug users all eventually come down with
a syndrome that could be attributable to AIDS.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Absolutely, in fact, these people, that is true. No, on
the contrary, Remember, it's dose related. So it depends upon
how many drugs are you using and how much of
them over how long a period of time. Now, if
you overdose, you never get to that point.

Speaker 7 (51:53):
Yes, the combination of lifestyle practices of the best place
for Michaels are dark wat places, are bath houses, any
excellent place to increase the exponential.

Speaker 8 (52:07):
Representation of Michaels around the world. Then with that session
with a thousand, others of the year have contact with
those same men with themselves are very similar.

Speaker 9 (52:18):
Do you think that that adds an incredible amount of
the immune suppression that is not suffered by the rest
of the population drugs or do you think that.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
That well, I don't know. You see, the Romans and
the Greeks had bath houses, and there's no evidence that
the pardon.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
Me, MDA, poppers and all the things.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I agree that MDA and all the rest of these
drugs are causing immune suppression. Now, I don't believe that
sex itself causes immune suppression, but I do believe that
recurring venereal disease will cause immune suppression. But the simple
fact is is that the virus has nothing to do
with it.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
And that's the important thing.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
That I am certainly for people having a healthy lifestyle, absolutely,
but let's not get into the idea that this is
again a contagious disease. You cannot give aids to anyone
and you cannot get aids from anyone.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Yes, Michael Elner, did you.

Speaker 10 (53:15):
Consider the intense chronic psychological terrorism surrounding the HIV and
to be made of spies?

Speaker 2 (53:24):
That was pulled individiency? Twenty two years ago, I urinated
pure blood without pain. I knew immediately what the diagnosis was.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
It was bad or cancer.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
I cannot fully describe what I felt at that moment.
It is unbelievable. It's like taking a crash dive into
the depths of anonymity, total isolation, fear and panic, and
all the faith in God or whatever faith he may have,

(53:59):
cannot handle that.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
At that moment.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
When you start to get your wits together, and if
you use your intelligence and then your faith, yes, spirit
and mind, a wonderful things.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
What you're saying is true.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
It's a sentence of death for most people, and immediately
their body metabolism goes into negative phases. Everything becomes destructive.
This is modern medical voodoo. If a doctor tells you
you are going to die, I'm willing to bet you're
gonna die. I'll be the first one to put money

(54:35):
on the line and say the chances are you're going
to beat the statistics. You will die because you've been
told so this is American voodoo. I'll get back to you,
but let me take someone else.

Speaker 9 (54:45):
Yes, doctor Wilner, I really appreciate what you're doing.

Speaker 8 (54:49):
I've been out here trying to inform people about this disinformation.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
For a number of years now.

Speaker 9 (54:55):
Robert Gallo, who has a proven medical fraud and a
multi millionaire mark being a test uh uh the uh
the uh AMA itself and in its own medical journals
in the eighties have said that this is uh these
tests are bad science. The microbiologists have said in their
own medical tests that this is bad sciences and these

(55:16):
tests do not work. The hematologists have said that this
is this is false. These tests they say that they.

Speaker 8 (55:23):
Have used ozone to to uh inactivate HIV.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Which HIV?

Speaker 8 (55:28):
If it's a virus, it's a template or a pattern.
So what can it do? I mean, these are just
basic medical facts. How is it that this has gotten
by the entire population? Uh uh You know in the
media is pushing this live Arthur ashe, for example, was
on thirty pills in the day the three months before
it used to come, including AZT. How is that not iatrogenics?

(55:50):
And how is it that that the medical profession can
murder a million people a year. According to their own study,
the ille new Haven study that came out this year,
they are to killing a million people a year.

Speaker 9 (56:02):
Why aren't they on trial?

Speaker 8 (56:04):
That's my question.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
By the way, I thank you for your comments, and
I'd love to have a copy of that study.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
And some of the information you talked about.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I really would because I've been going around saying it's
the number three cause of death is yatrogenic disease. And
when I lecture before groups, I don't tell them what
autrogenic disease is. And I say to them, you know, here,
we're worried about the so called aid's epidemic. And I
don't believe that anybody should die. I think we should
all live forever. But twelve thousand a year, that's not

(56:35):
an epidemic. Sixty thousand die from automobile accidents. One hundred
and twenty thousand, I've been saying, and I hope you're
going to help me change. One hundred and twenty thousand
die each year they admit to from myatrogenic disease, five
hundred thousand from cancer, and eight hundred thousand from heart disease.
And I'm glad you're telling me it's a mania because

(56:56):
I've been saying they say it's number three. I really
believe in my heart it's number one number cause I
agree with him absolutely. Now, if we took the figure
of one hundred and twenty thousand being killed by doctors,
not malpractice, but as a normal course of everyday medicine,
the doctors are ten times more dangerous than hid. Now

(57:20):
you're telling me it's one hundred times. Yeah. I want
those figures really desperately. Please ninety six. Now I will
be indebted because that's powerful stuff. And I really you know,
it's funny. You never know where the figures are going
to go. But with medicine, anything's possible. Yes that you
pardon me, just to you.

Speaker 9 (57:42):
As it talks about those issues.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
Announced thousand Americans die annually from diseases and illnesses related.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
To be overweight out. It's certainly can be longer dangoustry
on the wait, inta. You know that's that's a very
good point. Yes, there you go, thank you. That's a
very good point.

Speaker 10 (58:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I I pick up some marvelous ideas from some very
bright people and I can't tell you how much I
appreciate it. I'm going to be using those I do.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
I have your permission.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Okay, could you have some insight on how this mechanism
works with pediatricas? Oh? Okay, that is another good question.
First of all, I challenge anybody except there are always exceptions,
and the exceptions are as of course, as we know
genetics and children sometimes born under circumstances where we don't

(58:44):
have all the facts. But I would say ninety nine
percent are better of the individuals born with AIDS if
they actually have AIDS. The mother was a crack mother,
was on drugs, no question about it, or had obvious
incredible immune suppression from what are the medical reasons?

Speaker 5 (59:02):
As they say, of particulars.

Speaker 9 (59:03):
As Elizabeth Laser and her child got it from her.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
She had blood transduc for the birth of the first child.

Speaker 7 (59:13):
It was painted blood at Senior Sinai. She then passed
it on to her child.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
She passed on HIV. Okay, let's call things HIV not
aides now. What happened after.

Speaker 9 (59:27):
About about three years got very sick.

Speaker 7 (59:30):
They didn't know what the problem was, said.

Speaker 10 (59:33):
Nobody knows what it is.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
They finded an HIV test on a child found out
that she had it, and then she died.

Speaker 8 (59:40):
Harrio died.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
But there's a gap there.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Whirst they found out she's HIV positive and then she died?
How much time and what was done in that period
of time. I can't answer that question. I mean, listen,
I was in the practice of general medicine for a
lot of years. I had one of the largest practices
in the state of Florida. And I can tell you
I treated a lot of kids over period of time.
They got very yell in their first three years of life.

(01:00:04):
You mean they head aides. Now they did a test.
I will guarantee you I don't know what she died of,
and I can't answer, but I will tell you these
kids who are diagnosed as HIV, if they're given ACT
they will die of eates. Absolutely. Most of them will
not die, just like most of the kids I treated
did not die. But I had occasional child that ended

(01:00:26):
up with a meningitis and died. By the way, our
current Miss America who's deaf and dumb, got DPT. That's
what made her deaf and dumb. Yeah, sudden infant death syndrome. Yes,
Now we'll go back to you, Grant, How can how.

Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
You explain that the T sho the climb and those
who have not taken at are not psychologically affect You know, don't.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
A wonderful question? Really great?

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Now, let me tell you a little bit about medicine. See,
I was always confused by this T cell thing because
T cells are nothing more than lymphocytes and leukocytes. There
are bodies way of fighting infection. Now, when somebody came
into my office with a belly ache, I would do
a white.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
Count, which includes the T cells.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Now, if the white count was like five, six, seven thousand,
didn't think anything of it. There's a belly ache, some
bad food, maybe of a viral infection, you know, the
great dumping ground viruses. They even had me thinking that way.
But if it was twenty thousand, I alerted a surgeon.

(01:01:48):
You see, the body creates the T cells when it
needs it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
If you don't need.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
It, you don't got it. Why would you walk around
with a lot of T cells when you've got nothing
to fight? And I can tell you one thing we
have always known there is no correlation between severity of
disease and aids so to speak.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
And the T cell count doesn't match.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
That might not tell you why you look a little
bit confused.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
When I said the fact that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
You will not have a high white count unless you
have a severe infection, however, which means that if you
don't have a high white count, it's not bad. There's
nothing else wrong with you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Then I'd say, well, that's normal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Why do you want a high white count? If you've
got a bad cold, you'd get an elevation in your
white count. Now we know for a fact, it's well
documented that you have individuals who have died with aids
with elevated T cells, and we have individuals who've been healthy.
And when I tell you healthy, I feel sick by
comparing Garrison and looking at some of these individuals, and

(01:03:03):
they test out incredibly well, the best healthiest specimens I've seen,
the kind that most women say, Oh my god, why
is he gay?

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
You think because he's so good looking.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
And so handsome and so strong and so healthy. You see,
they have no like they have no T cells.

Speaker 9 (01:03:23):
T cells.

Speaker 6 (01:03:24):
You don't count tea cells as ameter.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Of how one is no because you yes, you can
use it to some degree as a barometer, depending upon
the situation. But basically, no, you can't. I'll tell you why.
You know that you can change the T cell count
if you worry somebody completely established. I worry about these
individuals who go in and get these T cell counts

(01:03:50):
one after another because their whole life is focused on
these T cell counts, and when it goes down a
little bit, instead of being reassured, which is the way
I would interpret it, they get panicky. Now they're really
doing damage. And at some point, if they're on drugs,
and sometimes even if they're not on anything, but because

(01:04:10):
they've been told they're going to die, like the witch
doctors of Africa and elsewhere, these individuals will die because
they literally worry themselves to death.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
It's a crime beyond belief. The other rare ones I admit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
But the fact is T cell counts absolutely have no
correlation with severity of disease. They can be low because
you have wiped out your immune system, and they can
be low because you don't need them. That's the important
thing to understand. It is not a barometer for anything.
And they lie, they lie, they lie, and then they

(01:04:44):
lie some more. Is this gonna be a case scenario?

Speaker 7 (01:04:48):
I go way, I get tested I am told I
AHIV positive.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
My T cell count I've heard from cancer research. But
because a half there was fifty percent of.

Speaker 9 (01:04:58):
Your T cell going on striking, the other fifty keep work.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I got. The other scenario can happen to It can
go wild, go way up if it goes down, because.

Speaker 9 (01:05:05):
I'm told them when you die. Isn't that enough to
get me on AZT?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Absolutely? First of all, let me tell you something. The
CDC that let sypolytics untreated when they had drugs that
could have treated, just to observe the same CDC has
already admitted that between forty and sixty percent of the
cases listed at AIDS were never even tested for HIV,

(01:05:31):
and not that it makes any difference because the test
is meaningless.

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
So did the scenario also happen?

Speaker 8 (01:05:35):
I take AZT because it is a farn invader, my
T cells will go up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Yes, they initially do. And that's exactly what happens when
you challenge the immune system, which AZT does. You get
an initial rise, but then the AZT begins to do it. It
begins to do its dirty work and suppresses your entire
reproduction of your T cells, and eventually it goes through
the floor.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
Absolutely, that is the scenario.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Yes, we're going to try to finish one or two
more of your question. IV is somewhere in this.

Speaker 8 (01:06:05):
If you say that HIV itself is a.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
Harmless tissue, it's an innocuous retrovirus, are you then saying that,
as you said earlier about you don't know what safe
sex is that if I go back and report to
my gay lesbian readers, young gay men in particular, and
there has been a rise in incidents among young gay

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men of HIV again with the tests that you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Don't believe in. So it means nothing until you give
me one single document that proves HIV causes anything. That's meaningless.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
But what I need to here's what I need, yes,
is HIV sexually transmitted?

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Shall be?

Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
Shall I go and report to these young gay men
that they need not worry?

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Okay, HIV, this harmless virus can be sexual transmitted with
incredible difficulty to the point where it becomes meaningless, all right, right,
And that hasn't been definitely proven, by the way. In
one of the studies which they were presenting of twenty

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five males where the semen was examined who were HIV positive.
They were able to demonstrate only in two out of
twenty five the virus, and they only found one in
a million cells. That is not disease. There's no way
in the world, and especially with a virus, a retrovirus
that supposedly is killing off the cells that it needs

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in order to replicate. Even if you transmitted one virus
and it did kill all off and it was this
terrible disease you say it is, there's no way it
could cause disease.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
It's impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
The lie is so compounded and so idiotic and so
unbelievable that you literally have to fight your way out
of the maze of these life eyes. They are all
unadulterated lies, and the men responsible for them and women
belong in jail.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
Yes, and then we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Get at the rash magic Johnson and uh, this laser,
the latest lazer. We're all unable to infect their fatners
even though they had years of unsaved behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Cousin's lover.

Speaker 10 (01:08:23):
So there's considerable evidence that this is not the say
you know, they say you have to project yourself three
hundred conjure if be drug using them in free needles
to protect them. No one said that the drugs might
cause ADS in the Orange Springs in New York, but
certainly the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Largest population of age cases.

Speaker 10 (01:08:43):
There is a clear cut thing that anyone looking at
it will find.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
The people using drug developed the diseases called age and
the people who aren't we've covered their home.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
It's that simple, yes, And by the way, for that
population that you're writing for, let me simply point out again,
using the government's figures, they say it takes an average
of a thousand acts of intercourse over ten years in
the United States and ten thousand acts of intercourse over
ten years in Africa to transmit the AIDS virus. That's

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twice a week in the United States for ten years
on an average. To transmit the virus in Africa, that's
twenty times a week on an average. And if you
know what the belturb is, there's got to be some
individual out in Africa that's doing it two hundred times
a week. I want to meet that individual, and now
let me give you a set of figures which you

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must produce for your readers, please. The World Health Organization
says that the annual conversion rate in the United States
for HIV is one to one point five percent a year. Now,
according to the figures giving us by the CDC, there
are constantly for ten years now one million HIV positives

(01:09:57):
in the United States. Now that defies all def conditions
of an epidemic. How does it stay steady at one million?
If this is an epidemic that's going to kill everybody?
And by the way, their predictions from ten years ago
were ninety one percent wrong as far as death were concerned.
Think of that. Now, hold on one to one point

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five percent per year would average out to sixty seven
point five years for everybody who's HIV positive in the
United States today to become full blown AIDS. That's the
annual conversion rate published not by me, by the World
Health Organization, but in Haiti it's one tenth that. So
if you're HIV positive, I would advise all your readers

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to go to Haiti. They got a ten times better
chance of survival if they go to Haiti because there
it will take one thousand years for everybody. This is
World Health Organization figures for everybody who's HIV positive today
to become full blown AIDS. Put hold your hats, hold
the press's young lady. Tell your readers this, and I
quote the World Health Organization and maybe I should put

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my hand like this while I say it. But they
say that in Zaiere you have one hundred to one
hundred and fifty times better chance of survival if you're
in Zaire than if you live in the United States.
In other words, there it will take twenty five thousand

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years for everybody who's HIV positive today.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
To become full blown AIDS.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Now, I think you ought to urge your readers, all
those with compassion and with heart, to take the first
plane to Zaiir and to stop anyone on the street
and ask them are you HIV positive? And if they
answer in the affirmative, I think you owe it to
them as a conscientious human being to say, sir o madam,
are you aware that in the next twenty five thousand

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years you're liable to die of AIDS? Those are government figures,
They are not mine. The ridiculousness of it demands that
you print those figures, that they give them to your readers.

Speaker 8 (01:12:08):
Aren't Isn't it interesting that Africa and Haiti have similar
situations in North America and Europe, although Africa is closer
to Europe.

Speaker 9 (01:12:17):
You would think that this in infecture, spread would spread
closer to the center of the of theborgan.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
The answer is very simple. Malnutrition and starvation can lead
to death and at a very variable rate depending upon
the malnutrition definite. But aids due to drugs is a
much shorter period of time.

Speaker 8 (01:12:42):
In Iota Canal, Iota Canal of it's a drug from
uh sebagaige or no uh m h rough l larus.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
I think, uh huh.

Speaker 8 (01:12:52):
They've been injecting people in Xaire, in Angola and in
Haiti with this Iota canal since the nineteen seventies. And
this is a hepati drug.

Speaker 9 (01:13:00):
This kills the liver, and the liver is your biggest
filture of your blood and the body.

Speaker 8 (01:13:05):
And if you destroy the liver, it has more than
five hundred functions in the body than you're dead.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
By the way, let me throw out I think an
overall principle to take a look at very seriously from
the point of view of disease and death. And this
applies to AIDS as it would apply to any disease
problem in humanity. And with this I'm going to end.
The bubonic plague killed half the population of Europe. The

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question you must ask and must answer if you're going
to be a rational, thinking human. Vein is why didn't
it kill the other half? In the United States in
nineteen nineteen, eighteen million people died of the flu. My
question is why didn't the other ninety.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
Two million die? The answer to that, and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Every reporter owes it to their readers, is very simple.
The bugs do not cause the disease unless there's a
suitable terrain. And so the answer to all disease is
not to take a shotgun and blow a human being apart,
but to simply prevent the disease to begin with, by

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living at peace and in harmony, not only with your
fellow human beings, but with every organism on this planet.

Speaker 5 (01:14:27):
And thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
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Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
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