Episode 355: "The Lucky Lie: Epstein, Jackpots, and Wall Street’s Fall"

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You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network.

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Here is your host, George Hobbs.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Welcome back to truthseekers from around the world. It's time
for another edition of the fact Hunter podcast. As we
record on this Monday, July the seventh, twenty twenty five.
I hope everyone had a great Independence Day weekend and
you were able to spend time with your family and
friends and eat good food and enjoy some fireworks, as

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we certainly did. Had a great weekend. Went out to
the local baseball team, single A, the Wilmington Blue Rocks.
Got to watch a game Saturday, very nice time, and
I hope you had a great weekend as well. As
we kick off this new week back in the saddle again.
Just a quick reminder next Tuesday, that is July the fifteenth,

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at eight pm Eastern time, our interview with Scott Charah.
We will be doing that interview earlier in the day.
Will be audio and video, so you can either listen
to the podcast on your normal podcast distributor or you
can watch the video on our Rumble channel. Links in
the show notes. Lots to talk about today. We're going

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to reach chapter one from King God Bless America, And
as previously mentioned, we'll get an update on Scott Shaff's
case against the medical Industrial Complex. There's a new warning
out on the label of the COVID jet. Friend of
the show, Ron Koockle, who was a veteran of the
USS Liberty, he was on the ship that day in

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nineteen sixty seven, passed away, and we're going to play
a clip from the interview we did with him in
April of twenty twenty one, and did Jeffrey Epstein. We're
going to talk a little bit about Jeffrey Epstein today.
Did he have something to do with the two thousand
and eight financial collapse? And did he win the lottery?

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All of that and more on today's edition of The
Fact Hunter. We're going to get right into it. We're
going to read chapter one of Can God Bless America?
John MacArthur's book. You can find it on Amazon for
less than ten bucks. John makes these pocket books. You
can literally stick them if you have a cargo pocket
in your pants. They're real good. And I think he's

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probably around eighty five now, and gentlemen, is full of wisdom,
and he wrote these books after nine to eleven, So
chapter one reads his following. One of the more hopeful
features of our nation's response to the terrorist attacks of
September eleventh, two thousand and one was an immediate heightening
of interest in spiritual things. We saw church attendants rising dramatically,

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at least for a few weeks. People talked openly of
God and wondered aloud if the attacks on Washington and
New York City held any spiritual or prophetic significance. Was
God angry with a mayor? Why would he permit such
a horrific catastrophe? Was there a spiritual message in all

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of this? And what did it mean? Such concerns have
changed the tone of the national conversation. Life in America
had suddenly taken a more serious and sober turn. People's
thoughts have turned naturally to weightier matters.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Right.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
They started to ponder instead of being so wrapped up
in sports and the movies. People started to consider the
fate of themselves. Multitudes are now approaching life less superficially
and less frivolously frivolously pardon.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Me, and that was long ago, right?

Speaker 4 (03:47):
You see the football games when they resumed in two
thousand and one Sammy Sosa hitting that home run in
the first game back when baseball resumed carrying the flag
around the bases. We are far from that, right, and
it's unfortunately that you know, it takes you know, they
say there's no atheists in prison or the foxholes. It

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takes these type of events to bring us closer to
God for many people. And it is probably thanks to
that mood changed, combined with a patriotic fervor that swept
the nation since the attacks, that the familiar slogan God
Bless America has been brought out of mothballs and became

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a national rallying cry. That slogan and the music associated
with it date back to nineteen eighteen, when composer Irving Berlin,
who was an immigrant from Siberia, penned the song as
part of a musical review during the difficult days of
America's involvement in World War One. The song received little

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notice at the time, but in nineteen thirty eight he
revised it and released it when a new war was
threatening Europe, which evolved into World War Two. Right He
said that he conceived the revised edition of the song
as a plea for peace in an era when most
Americas were hoping to avert American involvement in yet another

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form war, but the song retained its popularity even after
America was drawn into World War II. In the minds
of most Americans, God Bless America became a plea that
God would bless America's war effort with success, and thus
the opening songs. The line became quickly fixed with the

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American psyche as both prayer and a patriotic slogan. Today,
in the wake of the new War on Terrorism, God
Bless America has once again become something of a national anthem.
It is still a fitting prayer, and for men, I'm
sure it's a heartfelt prayer. It would be a mistake

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to dismiss its popularity as nothing more than shallow sentimentality.
These are dark and difficult times, and most Americans deeply
sense the need for God's blessing. To a large degree,
I suppose the American people's yearning for God's blessing is
prompted by a desire for his immediate protection. For many,

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Bless America means simply preserve our nation. For others, it
means something down to earth, as God, don't let me
die right, don't let our children die, don't let my
spouse die. And still for others it may mean something
even more mundane, don't let the stock market drop any

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further or stop the rise in unemployment. In many mouths,
it's a prayer for the preservation of our nation's freedom
and prosperity. So when you really look at it, blessing
then is associated with protection, safety, freedom, and prosperity. So

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in that sense, the slogan perfectly resonates with the current
mood of the nation. In fact, it expresses popular sentiments
so well that even the usually vocal atheists and militant
agnostics have for the most part disappeared into the shadows.

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Early on, there were a couple of failed attents by
our good friends the ACLU, the American Civil Liberties Union
to actually have God Bless America removed from school boards,
bulletin boards within the schools, and public marquees. But that
effort proved so unpopular that it was quickly dropped in

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order to avoid an angry backlash. So not only did
the acl YOU fail in that matter, it made them
look pretty bad God's name in the back of public discourse,
if only for the sake of this slogan. In some
of the early ceremonies that were commemorating those who died

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in the terrorist attacks, God Bless America was sung alongside
John Lennon's Imagine song and you've heard me mention on
this program probably close to fifty times mentioned that John
Lennon's Imagine, while musically sounding nice lyrically is Marxist and

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goes against what I would assume most people who listen
to the program their beliefs. Okay, Lenin's lyrics wistfully long
for a world without religion, without the hope of heaven,
and without the threat of hell, where people live only
for today. Right and when you break it down that way,

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Alister Crowley's do what That Will echoes a familiar sentiment right.
Imagine pleads for the day when everyone will embrace such
a worldview. John Lennon apparently imagined that nothing would matter
to anyone in a world like that, and therefore people

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would finally be able to live in perfect harmony. The
sentiments expressed in Lenin's song are practically the polar opposite
of those expressed in Irving Berlin's God Bless America and Thankfully,
God bless America rather than imagine is the song and

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the slogan that has emerged as the rallying cry of
the American people. The average American cannot imagine a world
in which there is no God, no religion, no heaven,
where nothing really matters. If that were indeed the case,
the terrorist attacks would have not stirred our passions in

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the first place. The vast majority of Americans know in
their souls and they're conscious that God does indeed exist
in his blessings is essential to the future peace of
their lives and the nation. Unfortunately, most Americans are without

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God and therefore without any palpable hope. They affirm the slogan,
but are ignorant of the God to whom it is addressed.
You can refer to Acts seventeen twenty two to thirty one.
Most Americans are, to one agree or another, in a
state of fear. They're crying out to Heaven for an
invisible means of support from an invisible God against an

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invisible enemy. Right they hope God is omnipresent, an omnipotent.
They hope He is interested in their plight. But even
more urgently, they hope he will have mercy on our nation.
That's why the cry God bless America is so prevalent
and so often laden with deep emotion. Will God bless America?

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Can God bless America? Even should God bless America? Or
is our society on the brink of judgment rather than blessing?
Are the recent catastrophes merely harbingers of something worse yet
to come? Given the moral bankruptcy of today's modern society,

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it seems fair to ask such questions. Are we fit
for blessing? Or has our nation forfeited any claim to
a divine blessing? If God did bless America, what would
he be saying about his holiness? What would he be
saying about our morality? What would he be saying about
our spiritual condition? Can God bless America without compromising his

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reputation as a holy God? That is the vital question
we must ask ourselves. Of course, God can always do
whatever he wants, whenever he wants, But when it comes
to blessing, he clearly and repeatedly has set down conditions.

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Now listen carefully to the song God Bless America, and
you will see that there is no verse that identifies
the conditions for divine blessing. Nor do Americans seem to
be opening their bibles to trying to find out what
the conditions are. Right, You don't hear anyone asking God

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what do we need to do to be blessed? In fact,
to raise that question might be seen by many as
a serious intrusion.

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Do the American people.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Really want to know the conditions that precede God's blessing?
The sentiment sometimes seems to be, don't tell us what
to do, just bless us right, just protect us, Let
us live our lives right, like as if God were

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not supposed to ask anything of us. Many would prefer
blessing without any conditions being posed. Just bless us, give
us protection, give us safety, give us freedom, give us
more of that prosperity that we enjoy here in America.
Just don't meddle with our morality, please. And we rarely

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hear anyone today calling people to repentance. In many quarters,
it's considered bad protocol and bad form to remind people
that the word of God demands on us. The reproofs,
the rebukes and exhortations if God's word are simply not
what most people today want to hear. They don't want
to tolerate it. Therefore, even some preachers in the pulpits

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avoid mentioning such matters. Sadly, when sin is not confronted,
sinners do not proceed their need for grace and forgiveness. Frankly,
in our nation, pardon me, frankly, our nation is in
no position at the moment to be blessed. We're actually

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more likely to be cursed by God. And this was
written twenty years ago. And you look where our moral
compass is today as a whole, not personally, but as
a whole in this country. So is our prayer for
blessing futile? I don't believe it is futile, but we
need to understand that a prayer for divine blessing presupposes

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a willingness to cultivate the conditions under which divine blessings
can come. What are what are those conditions? Let's turn
to scripture and investigate the question almost no one is asking.
James Chapter four, verses seven through ten, gives us a
list of ten commands that set forth the conditions of

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divine blessing. James addresses his epistle to Christian people and
he frequently refers to them as my brethren. So some
commentators have assumed that these ten imperatives apply only to
believers rather than to the unbelievers who have never been

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born again, But that misses the point. This list of
directives is addressed to sinners and the double minded if
you look at verse eight, and those terms are normally
used in scripture to describe unredeemed people. So James is
evidently concerned that some in his audience are not truly redeemed.

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He calls them adulters and adultresses, and he warns them
that friendship with the world is enmity to God. Now,
apparently he believes some of these people, though professing to
be believers, had never been truly been born again. Okay,

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and this is the point where many Christians miss the boat.
And this is where he takes the time and he
details the outlines for what true repentance demands of them.
Submit to God, Resist the devil and he will flee
from you. Draw near to God and he will draw

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near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, Purify your hearts.
You double minded, lament and mourn and weep. Let your
laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom.
Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he
will fit. He will lift you up. So in the
first ten commands it is submit, and James uses a

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Greek urn that actually has military overtones. Right, it speaks
of compliance with the will of someone at a higher rank.
He employs a passive form, indicating that our submission to
God must be voluntary. Luke uses the same word when
he speaks of Jesus's boyhood's submission to his parents. Paul

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uses it of the believer's duty to submit to governmental authority,
which is something that we can have a long discussion about.
You just don't openly submit to government authority no matter
what it is. It must be in line with God's words. Okay,
So no just because your state says that abortion is legal,

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that you should support abortion. There's some great, great sermons
on Romans thirteen and authority to the government, and if
anybody wants a copy of those sermons, email me and
I will send you the links. So it carries the
connotation of acquisentsnce that voluntary compliance to an authority of

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one is obligated to submit in the first place, our
duty to God begins with a recognition of his right
to rule over us, so that a genuine repentance always
produces a submissive attitude. You can see where this is going, right.
The person who truly embraces Christ as savior will also

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submit to Him as Lord. So no one can expect
God's blessing while harboring rebellion or resentment against God in
the heart. Okay, you just can't say God bless America
while walking away with you know, walking away from God

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with your back turn to him. God has a right
to demand our full obedience, and those who wilfully and
liberately defy his authority as a pattern of life cannot
legitimately claim to have faith in Him. That means his
word must be the ultimate authority in our lives. So

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those who want God's blessing must submit to his commands.
We cannot plead for divine blessing if our minds and
hearts remain defiant toward His word. And this next section
is very interesting. It's resist the devil, and American society,

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unfortunately by large, is characterized by resistance to God's standards,
yet tolerance to the devils. In fact, most of our
society's values in recent years have been shaped by the
Devil's agenda. The problem is becoming worse every single years.
Our culture becomes more and more brazen in rejecting God

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of scripture and embracing embracing the devil's worldview. To cite
just one example from pop culture, What's It? Sixty years
ago Ozzie Nelson and Family portrayed the average American household
on television, But today the highest rated cable television program

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in history features heavy metal rocker Ozzy Osbourne and his
quintessential dysfunctional family. Which is funny this worrieding this today
because just two days ago, right, he had his eighteenth
farewell concert and was all over social media. But few
realize that when The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet was

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on the air in the fifties and sixties, but Ozzie
Nelson was a committed atheist. He actually revealed his atheism
and an autobiography published in the seventies. But the fifties
sitcom wasn't overly anti Cristchristian, of course, but God was
conspicuously absent from Nelson's family life. Ozzy Osbourne, on the

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other hand, makes no secret of his infatuation with Satan,
and that is plainly reflected in his family's lifestyle. The
road from Ozzie Nelson to Ozzy Osbourne perfectly illustrates how
bold society has become in overtly promoting evil and the

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agenda of the evil one that is the drift of
American culture. People who truly desire God's blessing must resist
the devil and his schemes. That means, before we have
a right to expect God to bless us, we must

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turn away from the evil that hinders that blessing. And
for many Americans Christians included that for major changers, major
changes pardon me in lifestyles and interest. Continuing on, as
previously mentioned, we are going to have Scott Scharah on

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the podcast next Tuesday. This is from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
Scott and his family's lawsuit got major coverage across the
news and on social media. It was one of it
was a first for this type of lawsuit. And again
this story is from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel from two

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weeks ago. After deliberating for only two hours, a jury
in out of Gamy Circuit County Court in Appleton Wisconsin,
on June nineteenth, decided in favor of Ascension in the
high profile wrongful death case involving the twenty twenty one

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death of a nineteen year old patient at an Ascension
hospital in Appleton. Grace Chara, who was nineteen, died October thirteenth,
twenty twenty one, seven days after she was admitted to
the Ascension Northeast Saint Elizabeth Hospital for symptoms of COVID
nineteen Scott Scherah, her father, sued the hospital a year

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and a half later in a wrongful death case that
included claims of medical negligence, violation of informed consent, and
initially battery. The family argued that Grace died from a
drug overdose from presidex, lazepam and morpheme as a result
of an illegal do not resuscitate order and again just

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in a matter of hours. Unfortunately, the jury disagreed, and
of the thirteen claims answered by the jury and the verdict,
only two of them had a dissenter and there was
only one dissentier for each of the two claims. So
a civil case, which unlike a criminal case, doesn't require
a unanimous verdict based on proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Instead,

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ten of twelve jurors needed to agree on each claim
based on the preponderance of evidence. Scott Grace's father said, quote, Personally,
of course, I'm disappointed, but God knew this was going
to no. He knew the verdict before we ever stepped
foot into the court, so we know God's will was done,

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even though we're personally disappointed. He did hold a press
conference the following day. I think it was outside of
his home and it I don't if you followed the case,
there were some very slanderous statements again that were made

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against Scott. I think most people knew going in that
he didn't have a chance, and it not because of
a lack of evidence, just because you know, the medical,
the oil, the bankers that aren't defeated. They just don't
lose in these things. This st also, you know the suit,

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I should say, sought a declaratory judgment from Judge Mark McGinnis,
stating the quote do not resuscitate ordering question and non
consensual injection of certain drugs and a Grace's body were
in violation of the hospital's policies and procedures, so they

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were looking to hold the hospital accountable for giving, you know,
medicines to Grace that the family said not to use.
So you need to understand that when it's really a
sad state that when you take a family member to

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a hospital, in many cases, they're not going to listen
to what you say. They're not going to listen to
your wishes. And again it's a shame, but I think
everyone knew going in in the back of their minds

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that this he had no chance of winning.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
And that's the sad reality to it.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
He also sought to change the cause of death on
Grace's death certificate from acute respiratory failure within hypoxia as
a result of COVID nineteen pneumonia to drug overdose from
precedex lorazepam morpheme as a result of an illegal do
not resuscitate order. Before the start of closing arguments on

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June nineteenth, McGinnis read the eighteen page verdict form to jurors,
but he did not include the battery charge. And again,
you have judges, most judges in this the high judges
in this county, our part, they're either freemasons or skull
and bones or something like that. They are not going

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to trip up those in powerful places. Right, So a
lot more next week you'll hear the full story and
where they're headed next, Where does the Sheriff family go
from here? So again, our thoughts and our prayers are
with the Sheriff family as they start the next chapter.

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You know, you never get over the loss of a child,
especially in this manner. So looking forward to our conversation
next week with mister Scott Share. Back in April of
twenty twenty one, I had the pleasure of interviewing USS
Liberty survivor Ron Kockle, just an awesome guy. He passed

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away on June twenty first, just a few weeks ago,
in his home, at the age of eighty five. He
was born in Rushville, Nebraska, on October fifteenth, nineteen thirty nine.
He graduated from Rushville High School in nineteen fifty seven.
He went on to serve in the Navy from nineteen
sixty one to nineteen sixty seven, working for the NSA

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as a communication technician and supervisor, and of course, his
last duty was aboard the USS Liberty. On June eighth,
nineteen sixty seven. He was a first Class Petty Officer.
He was awarded the Purple Heart, the National Defense Service Medal,
the Navy Good Conduct Medal, the Navy Presidential Unit Citation,

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and the Combat Action Ribbon. He was given a special
ceremony by his shipmates as an honorary Chief Petty Officer
in Kalispell, Montana. And he also co authored the book
with Phil Turney and Philip Nelson called Remember the Liberty.
And I'm going to play about a twenty minute clip

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from our interview, a little classic audio from our own
podcast from over four years ago, and again, rest in
peace to USS Liberty Survival Ron Kuckle. And here is
a portion of the interview I did with him in
April of twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
And I hope that we will get in the area
of as we talk today about what I feel the
Church in general has done to this country. And I'm
very upset with him. Now. I'm not Christ, by no
means that I certainly understand why Christ called the church
out and relations of the things they were doing wrong,

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because I'm sure he would call them out again today
because of from the very fact that they closed during
the pandemic. Church has never closed, they should never close
for anything like that, and they have done a lot
of things over the years that I look back from

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a small child when I went to Sunday School in
a little town where I grew up in the western
part of Nebraska, the Panhandle, and all the things I
was taught there, and all things I was taught, and
a few of the churches I would recommend. I know
I'm jumping in this pretty fast, but I want to
make sure I get it across. I do not understand

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why the church has not taught all the Bible, not
just what tickles their ears. And I used to hear
that from people on congregation. I'd say, oh, great sermon today,
and someone will always say the same thing, why is
it ron you think it's a great sermon? And I
tell them why, and they say, well, it's just too bad.
But they don't teach nothing more than what tickles their ears.

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And I used to just overlook that. Well, I don't
look overlooking anymore because the church in general does not
teach all the Bible, and there's certain things that I
never heard sermons on. So well, I'm not one to
hold a grudge, but if I was to make a recommendation,

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I'd say, why don't you just teach all of it,
not just what you like to hear.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
And I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
There's some churches that just I know, preacher sit down
and they just write, they don't really reference the Bible
and their speeches. And then you have the ones that
will preach ninety percent out of revelations, the fear mongering,
and you're right, they should read the entire scripture because
you know, from Genesis to Revelations, that's all, every last.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Bit of it is important, the beginning to the end.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, from the history part and the Old Testament all
the way to the New Covenant, you know. And I'm
not the greatest Bible scholar in the world. Where I'm
coming from is simply on June eighth, nineteen sixty seven,
after we said I've being from going to the bottom,

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what was meant to happen was supposed to happen. I
kept asking myself questions after questions after questions for years,
and I looked back and I kept saying to myself,
why why are we still here? Why? Well, we're here
because God ordained it, and because it was a divine
intervention that kept that ship from going to the bottom.

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And I never really understood why until I started looking
even more deeply into the Bible. And then I found
Pastor Chuck Baldwin, who has a Liberty Fellowship, Yes it's
called Liberty Fellowship in Callous Belle, Montana, and he began
to explain to me a lot of things that I

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just didn't know. And believe me, when the Bible says
in Revelations to nine, beware those who call themselves Jews
and are not, it's not kidding. It's there for a reason.
And so I do keep these kind of things in
mind when I even when I do an interview like this,
it's back to the same thing. Maybe the Church would

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do well to teach all the Bible.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Could not agree more, could not agree more. And that's
something I really want to get to. But first, could
you give folks a little bit of your background where
you grew up and then were you drafted or did
you volunteer? And how did you end up on the
liberty that day? What brought you to that day?

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I grew up in a little in a little town
called Rushville, Nebraska. I think there's about twelve hundred and
twenty people there from remember correctly, and I grew up
in I would say, the lower part of a middle
class family. I was an only child, and I got

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through high school, and I was really a maverick. I'm
not a just a you know, a wild kid. My
mother was suffered from rheumatward arthritis, and if she wanted
to disclose me, discipline me, she never could get the
job done because he could never catch me. But there's

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just a lot of things that went on that that
I that that directed me. I guess you might steak
to enlistment into the United States Navy. And my mother
just told me one day. I was I was working
in a gas station and and uh, living at home,

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and she just told me one day, she says, you know,
I got You're not going to live here the rest
of your life, and you're not going to work in
a gas station the rest of your life. And she
may be so angry. I went straight down to the
courthouse and I enlisted in the United States Navy and
I was gone within ten days.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
And that's how it all had happened, as far as
you know, getting into the United States Navy. And believe me,
those people back in those days grew me up from
a wild, wayward boy, teenage boy to a man in
nine weeks. That's what they did back then. I know

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it doesn't happen nowadays, but back then I was taught
disaplunted and taught it in ways that I'm even going
to try to describe here. But when I was done
after nine weeks and went back home, my mother was
absolutely amazed. She said, what have they done to you?
And they they taught me one thing I guess I

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can remember correctly, and when they say they're gonna punish,
they do punish. So it got my attention, and that's
all I needed to happen to me. So I am
so proud of the United States Navy back then. I'm
not so sure right now, but back then it was
it just grew you up. It threw you up, and
so I decided to make a career. And they showed

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me some things that I was capable of that I
didn't even know I was capable of absolutely, and I
transferred or transgressed. I don't want transgressed now. I went
up through the ranks fairly fast, the enlisted men dranks,
and then I found out I could become an officer
if I kept working at it. So I went from

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a third class, which I was the only third class
in my in my group and in school in Imperial Beach, California.
And so it happened fast, and I then I began
to realize how fast I could I could do things.
And then I went to second class. I flunk the

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first time I did the first class test, but then
I realized that I did have to study once so long.
So I made first class, and when I wanted went
on to the US celebrity. I was a first class
communications technician, ready to go up for chief, uh master
chief or chief and then on the master chief. And Uh,

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I was ready for the test when the attack happened.
I'd had all my things done, I had the time
and grade, the practical factors that needed to be done.
And I couldn't take the test on the ship. I
had to wait till we got back to Norfork. Well,
we never got back to Norfork.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I ended up. I was all about well, that's another
this is another part of the story. But I ended
up in a medical condition that I just had to
get out, so as I was honorably discharged, not medically discharged,
but honorably well. Back then, they had no idea what

(38:00):
postumatic spress disorder was good. That was not even an
entity back then. That wasn't in the diagnostic manual for
any sure many fo cocer and whatsoever. And then I
had a low back injury, which back then there were
really no uh excuse me, diagnostic procedures to even determine

(38:24):
what to do with it. Excuse me, I'm sorry, but anyway,
so there was really nothing apparent to them. So I
got the honorable discharge, and.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
So on that morning. Uh what, revelly is probably six am,
right when you're on the boat.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Uh, six am, Well, that's let's see. Yeah. I got
out of my rack around six or whatever it is,
and into when I sat in towards the showers. There's
a lot of men around me that worked in my division.
We're in my department. I was a supervisor in one

(39:11):
of the departments, and they were telling me of the
of the planes that were the reconnaissance planes that were
flying around the ship. Now I wasn't top side, so
I can't describe it as well as i'd like to
because I wasn't top side. I went to I went
to child and I went to work, and I just
ignored it because I told these guys, I think, yeah,

(39:33):
one of them told me that one of them had
to start David Marketson. I said, well, if it does,
then don't worry about it. Yeah, they're friendly, so I said,
just go to work and don't worry about it, right,
And I still kept getting reports of that all morning
long up until I want top side again for chow at.

(39:55):
I don't know. It was around eleven eleven thirty. I
did go out on the deck and I did look around,
and what I saw myself personally, was we had a
lot of planes flying above us. I think they were
back then. I'm not an air Force person. I think

(40:17):
they were called a flying box card. That's what they
looked like to me anyway, And so I could see
them why and high above us, and I I'm sure
they were that was who they are. Who they were
is a little bit vague to me right now, but
I do remember one of one of the men who

(40:38):
was a pilot on one of those planes saying that
they were surveillance planes doing pretty much the same thing
that the Liberty was doing and keeping an eye on us.
So I guess we had our own planes up there.
That's that's here, that's what I hear. It's not something

(40:59):
that I really know for sure, but I can tell
you is what I saw with my own eyes. And
that was as I said. I think they were called
to see one thirty if I remember correctly.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
Oh, okay, yes, he went thirty. Gotcha? Gotcha?

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Yeah, and your Commander William McGonagall. From the most part
from the research I've done, most people, I mean, nobody
really has a bad word to say about him.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
Did you have really much interaction with him?

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Quite a little bit, As a matter of fact, on
my website on Facebook, I do have him pictured with me. H.
He had just he had to see. He was at
a reunion. He was wearing his Congressional middle of honor,
which he made it very apparent to all the crew
that we all deserved a part of that Congressional Middle

(41:51):
of honor, certainly, And he was well. He took a
photo with me after he got done speaking, and I
had to ask him I wanted to know which part
of the metal belonged to me, and it musted him
up so much. He's still smiling in that picture, and
he still had a sense of humor after all the
stuff of the happmzing Captain McGonagall was who he was.

(42:15):
I think he was put in a really bad position
where he didn't know which way to carry it. And
that's about all I can say about that.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Yeah, and I completely get that. And I heard he
took care of you guys where it is. On Sundays,
you guys would have barbecues up on the deck.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
That's right. We have an outdoor barbecue every Sunday. Every Sunday,
we got to fish off the fantail when we weren't
when we aren't working. He was very, very aware of
the needs of the men aboard ship. He was very
staunch about having general practice general quarters. He did that.

(42:56):
We did that a lot. Actually, we did a general
quarters practice one hour before the ship got hit that day.
That styles stern and staunch. He was about making sure
we are ready for whatever might happen.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
And that's one reason I would tell my soldiers. I
did four tours of Iraq and we did some pretty
hard training and they would be tired. And I was like, listen,
if if you don't do this, if you're introduced to
a high level of stress for the first time in combat,
you're not going to know what to do. And the
first time we got hit by an IED, you could
tell the training paid off. Everybody did what they were

(43:33):
supposed to do. And that's what I keep telling these
leaders today. And when I retired, I said, if you
soften up on these soldiers, you're you might be mister
nice guy today, but you're going to cost them their
lives tomorrow. That's the reason why training is so important,
and you have to you have to keep political correctness
out of the military altogether.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. I guess
you could call them military sort of a dictatorship, but
then that takes a case. It needs to be absolutely
I can remember one incident during the attack or just
after the attack, that after I'd gotten out of that
torpedoed compartment, I was heading towards the main deck and

(44:19):
one of the officers, the lieutenant George Golden, who was
Jewish by the way, gave me an order to turn
around and go back down to make sure everybody had
gotten out. And I'll tell you what, I was between
myself and a hard place on that, and I didn't
want to go back down there yet. An order is
an order, So I went back down and then I

(44:43):
checked to see if anybody, make sure everybody got out
and come back up and report it to him. And
that's the training, that's the rigidus of it all.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
But it's what needs to be absolutely absolutely so.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
When it first started, because it kind of came in
two waves, if I I recall correctly, it was first
air and a lot of people seemed to think that
that maybe the ship had run aground or something that
was going on, and then the torpado, the torpedoes came afterwards.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Correct, that's correctly. The planes came first. I think they
were Mirage jets, yes, sir, I remember correctly, And I
was down below. I was two decks down below in
my my work space. And actually when the first tap
and came across, that had no idea what it was.

(45:32):
I related it to a if you ever been in
a hailstorm in your whole life, and you can can
hear that stuff hitting the roof on top of you,
especially a ten roof. That's about what it sounded like
to me. But I didn't have any idea, and I
did think we'd run the ground. I made every excuse
I could to myself to you know, come up with

(45:53):
some kind of explanation of why what was happening was happening.
So yeah, and that lasted for about a half hour
to forty five minutes. The strafing would come and then
you'd hear some moments of silence, and then it would
come again, and it come again and come again. Well,

(46:14):
that strafing killed nine men top side.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
And then how do you feel that the command and
control was communication being effectively being disseminated across or was
there a lot of confusion?

Speaker 3 (46:34):
It's a good question. Probably other guys could answered a
lot better than I. The captain cutting over the one MC,
which was the ship's intercom, and said to prepare for
a torpedo attack. Well, actually we had already prepared. All
the watertight doors were closed, and we were ready for
whatever eventuality was going to happen.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
Now at this point, I'm sorry, go ahead, sir.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Well, I just I was saying. I think the communication
was was quite was good, it was very very good.
The captain had made sure we were trained well, and
we were that's great.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
And then at that point before the torpedo said was
there did anybody know who it was at this point
or was it still?

Speaker 5 (47:22):
Who in the hell is attacking us.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Nobody really knew because they attacked us with on marked planes.
The reconnaissance plans that morning were marked with the Star
of David, but the ones they attacked with were on
marked nobody knew. And and really I'm one of these
people that really didn't have a clue. The only thing

(47:50):
that I was exposed to that was the torpedo and
I think I was probably fifty to sixty foot from
want of these floated.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
And actually, if I recall, was it what four or
five torpedoes were fired?

Speaker 6 (48:04):
Right?

Speaker 5 (48:05):
But only one hit? Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
That's correct?

Speaker 7 (48:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Thank god.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
The thing I like to make very apparent here is
that it is my personal opinion that the world will
sent a message on that day in the world that
ignored it. That message was pretty simple. Well, people were
attackiness who claimed to be the chosen were no more

(48:36):
chosen than I was, and they would be the reason
that ship stayed to float is because God ordained it.
I might tell you that seconds before the torpedo hit,
about probably five to ten seconds before, I was flat
on the deck with my nose to the steel. And
I don't even know how I got there, but I

(48:57):
do know this that just before when the captain came
across the one MC and said to prepare for a
torpedo attack. I knew we'd already prepared as much as
we could, so I went to prayer. I went to
my equipment, stood bad and went to prayer, and I
asked the Lord to spare my life. I promised him

(49:19):
things that I would never be able to accomplish. But
I guess I was pretty scared, and I thought my
life was over with. I got done with the prayer,
went back to my desk and was standing there, and
please don't want anybody call for a straight jacket, because
this is what happened. I heard a voice. I don't

(49:41):
know if anybody else heard it, and that voice said
get down and get down. Now. I have no idea
where it came from. Well I do now. I have
an opinion before it came from. And I know that
I didn't move fast enough. And I have no idea
how I got from standing straight up up by my
desk to my nose flat to the steel deck. I

(50:04):
don't know how I got there at all, but that happened,
and I think it happened about three seconds or maybe
four before the explosion. Occurred. So somehow, some way, which
I believe was divine and eventually again got me from
standing straight up the flat, on my flat, on my belly,

(50:25):
on the deck of my nose to the steel deck.
The explosive occurred. I could hear the shraft of flying
through the air above my head, and what I didn't
know until now or til recently, is that it killed
almost everyone in that compartment around me except me. That's incredible,

(50:46):
and so it's a miracle. So it's exactly, it's an
a miracle. God ordained it that I was going to live,
and I'm probably living even to this day because I'm
doing exactly what was expected to me because I did.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Live, and that leads me to beg how would the
world be different if the Liberty did sync that day?

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Well, I think the idea was and again this is
pure conjecture on my part, but there's certainly been a
lot of information to back it up. Had the Liberty
gone to the bottom, it would have been blamed on
Cairo and then they would have been attacked the whole
Egypt would have been attacked by the United States, maybe

(51:37):
because our carriers were close by the America. The Saratoga.
I think that was the idea. Can't prove it, but
there's certainly been enough information come in over the last
fifty some years which certainly backs up.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
So this was not to be the Gulf of Tonkin
two point zero then, right.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
I would guess so, oh, I guess yes, my commander
my department had, Dave Lewis, I think would back me
up every bit on this. I think you're going to
interview him, right, I.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
Believe he is the other gentleman I have lined up.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yes, Yeah, well Dave. I certainly knew a lot more
about what was happening Lewis than I did, and he
he it's just absolutely incredible that he was not He
was down there where the explosion was also, and he
had a piece of the ship, part of the hall

(52:35):
or whatever it was wrapped around him. I guess he
said he kind of protected him familiar further damage. And
you should have seen his his faces all park marked.
He was, it was strappednel all over the place. That
didn't happen to me. I don't think I had an answer.
Shrapnel in me essentially because I was flat on the

(52:57):
deck when the explosion occurred. After the explosion heard I
was about shoulder shoulder. The depth of the water is
about decide where my shoulders were, and getting out of
there was quite a little bit of a problem. But
I did get to the to the ladder that led
to the deck up above, and as I said, I

(53:18):
headed towards the main deck to get outside to get
some air, and Lieutenant George Golden turned me around with
an order to go back down and make sure everybody
got out. After everybody got out again, I'm talking about
an another miracle. After I got outside on the top
on the deck and all the guys that had escaped,

(53:40):
the torpedo explosion and what happened down there, and the
shrap and the bullets that they had armor person bullets
that we could also got some of us. Philip Turney,
who was a shipfitter third class, was watching this guys
slapping each other on the bag, safing each other's hands,
and just tickled me death to get out of there.

(54:01):
And he said, Ron, you have any idea of what
was happening around you? And I said, well, we were
just happy to get out of there. Well, they said
they were still firing at the ship. Took to tell
their machine guns and those bullets were flying all over
the place around you guys, and you guys would just
stand out there, just shaking hands like he didn't even

(54:22):
know what was happening. So again, another miracle. If I
could tell this whole world, if I could tell the
President of the United States, we are only here because
God ordained it. And I can't say it enough. I've
seen the power of God. I know exactly what can

(54:43):
happen if we go against him. And I just sit
here and I want to I just want to scream
the world, why can't you wake up? Don't mess with
the power of God.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
And there you go.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
That is mister Ron Koko, who passed away on June
twenty first, twenty twenty five, at the age of eighty five,
a survivor of the USS Liberty incident on the research
ship USS Liberty that was fired upon by Israeli Air
Force jet fighters and torpedo boats on June the eighth,

(55:20):
nineteen sixty seven, that killed thirty four US service members
and wounded one hundred and seventy one. And good luck
finding that in your high school textbook.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Our hearts go out to Ron and his family, friends
and his fellow shipmates of the USS Liberty Let's continue on.
The FDA announces new safety warning on all mRNA COVID
vaccines citing extremely high risk of myocarditis and long term
heart damage in young men. The US Food and Drug

(55:56):
Administration has formally updated the safety labeling on all mRNA
COVID nineteen vaccines to reflect what many Americans have been
warning about for years, a disturbingly high risk of myocarditis,
particularly in young men, and the possibility of long term,
irreversible heart damage. The revised warnings apply to both fivers

(56:21):
Pardonate Pfizer's Comedy and Moderna's Spikevax, both of those vaccines,
and follow months of mounting pressure over transparency and accountability
regarding the true risks of these experimental injections. The update
stems from new studies and data showing persistent cardiac abnormalities

(56:43):
months after vaccination, especially those males aged twelve to twenty
four now. During a presentation of the new FDA safety
data on Tuesday, doctor Vine Prosad, director for the Center
of Biologics Evaluation and Research, Chief Medical and Scientific Officer
heck of a Title, walked the public through the harrowing

(57:06):
evidence behind the label change. And you can find that speech.
It's on YouTube, it's on Twitter. Not going to play
that today. Prosad detailed how the FDA data reveals a
myocarditis rate of twenty seven per million in young men,
a figure that experts say is significantly underreported due to

(57:31):
passive surveillance methods and political suppression of adverse event reports.
And we know that the actual rates are maybe one
to ten percent of the actual rates, right, many of
these do not get correctly reported. More troubling, doctor Prisad

(57:54):
cited late gandalinium enhancement LGE on cardiac MRIs as proof
of sustained and potentially irreversible myocardial Try that again, irreversible
mayocardial injury. According to Prisad, in one FDA funded study,

(58:15):
sixty percent of patients who suffered post vaccine myocarditis still
showed signs of LGE five months later. After both denying
and downplaying the risks for years, the FDA is finally
requiring both Pfizer and Maderna to update their prescribing information,

(58:35):
adverse reaction sections, and fact sheets for patients and caregivers.
So pardon me, listen We have been warning our listeners
for five years the evils of the vaccine industries. At anytime,
the medical industry, you know, when it becomes a business, listen,

(58:58):
they care more about their shareholders than they care about.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
The patients.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
And that's not to say that the doctors, like those
in the middle between the patients and the medical industrial complex,
that they don't care. It is that the medical system
was hijacked by the Rockefellers one hundred years ago, and
the pseudoscience that they are using today is used to
market it. These annual vaccines and these you know, just

(59:31):
tons of vaccines at earth, and it's harrowing to see
just over the last thirty years. And many people cite
Ronald Reagan is the greatest president ever. He was the
one responsible for just letting the worms out of the
can with the National Childhood but what's it called the
National Childhood Vaccine Act of nineteen eighty six, something like that,

(59:53):
and the vaccine schedule went through the roof. But it's
just a coincidence that all these autism ADHD and everything
else is skyrocket. That's just a coincidence, you silly conspiracy theorists, right,
So there you go. You know, we've been what do
we say, what's the difference between a conspiracy theory and

(01:00:14):
the truth? Anywhere from six months to four years, depending
on the conspiracy theory. So again, we live in a
world that is ruled by Satan, right, if you want
to break down vocabulary and what that means. Right, But
he is the prince of this air, and you have

(01:00:36):
to every single thing that comes upon your television and
your newspaper and your website and social media.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
You need to take the time to break it down.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
We've been doing this for four years and we still
haven't run out of conspiracy. Five years and we still
haven't run out of conspiracy theories.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Air quotes conspiracy theories every single day. You have to
navigate a landmine, you know, a minefield I should say,
of evil, and to turn your back and pretend that
there's no evil out there is careless and you're throwing

(01:01:13):
your out there, throwing yourself out there at your own risk.
So let's put a rap on today's episode with the
main event, and that is Jeffrey Epstein. So the first
question one must ask when we come across Jeffrey Epstein
is what was his role.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
Truly about.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Most people can agree that he was a pedophile, but
that was that's the very exterior layer to this onion,
but a heinous one at that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
That's not just to say, oh he was just that's
just the very beginning of it. Every single person of power, yes,
including Donald Trump, Prince Andrew.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
There's photos of.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
Many famous powerful people and both he and Kaslaine Maxwell's photos,
the Clintons, all of these people. And it's because if
you're going to be on the world stage, if you're
going to be an actor on the world stage, you
have to punch your card. And the only way to
do that is to be controlled by an entity that
is coincidentally related to the USS liberty a incident, okay,

(01:02:20):
and the one that is labeled Israel of today and
the one that is in the Bible are.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
Two completely different entities.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
And until people can truly understand that, and in a
large part going back to the very first thing we
talked about with God Bless America by John MacArthur, until
the church can realize that we're going to continue to
feed this evil and that's the truth. But Jeffrey Epstein

(01:02:48):
was moreover someone who did corrupt people they found people's
sweet tooth and then corrupted them with it, and then
got it on film and threatened people. The things people
have to do in order to take these positions of
power to enjoy worldly goods, right forfeiting their soul, if

(01:03:09):
you will. But one of the things we're going to
talk about this afternoon, and this is from July second,
two thousand and eight, Jeffrey Epstein's new Mexico financial planning company,
Zoro Trust, apparently won the Oklahoma Power the Oklahoma Power

(01:03:30):
lottery payout of forty one point three million dollars and
collected nearly thirty million after tax winnings. Epstein's Black Book
identifies a column as Epstein, Jeffrey Zoro Ranch with a
phone listing for Bryce and Karen. A computer glitch delayed
the drawing that night on live television, right, depending on

(01:03:51):
if it's the Pennsylvania Lottery, Delaware Lottery, Right, it's ten
fifty nine or something like that. But once in a
blue moon they have a technical glitch with the machine
or whatever, and it's not carried live or whatever the
case may be. This just a coincidence, happened to be
another day. A computer glitch delayed the draw on live television,
and the prize money was collected by Zoro Trust, which

(01:04:14):
was a trust headed by Jeffrey Epstein. The winning ticket
was purchased at a convenience store in Altis, Oklahoma, for
an eighty five million dollar jackpot. There is no evidence
to support the claim that Oklahoma that Epstein won the lottery, right,
and then it starts the the AI starts to troubleshoot

(01:04:36):
the conspiracy, et cetera, et cetera. But in a nutshell,
if you recall, Epstein was housed in a private wing.
And this is June thirtieth, two thousand and eight, right
after Epstein pleaded guilty, pled guilty, I should say, to
a state charge of procuring for prostitution or girl below

(01:04:58):
the age of eighteen. He was sent to eighteen months
in prison. And again, while most of these convicted sex
offenders in Florida are sent to a state prison, oh no, no, no,
Epstein was instead housed in a private wing of the
Palm Beach Stockade and according to the Sheriff's office, was
quote after three and a half months, allowed to leave

(01:05:20):
the jail on work release.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
Air quotes for up to twelve hours a day, six
days a week.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
So this contradicted the sheriff's own policies requiring a maximum
remaining sentence of ten months and making sex offenders ineligible
for that privilege. He was allowed to come and go
outside of specified release hours. So long story short, they

(01:05:47):
paid Jeffrey Epstein millions of dollars to take three and
a half months off in a luxury unit jail with
open doors in two thousand and eight. Now let's dig
a little deeper into this. This article is from Steve
Sailor from UNS dot com The UNS Review August fourteenth,

(01:06:09):
twenty nineteen is when it was written, and the title
of this article is did Jeffrey Epstein personally set off
the financial crash of two thousand and eight? So not
just the lottery, but there was another theory out there
that he was partially the cause for the crash of
two thousand and eight. Let's get to the article written
by Steve Sailor. As you may recall, the timeline of

(01:06:32):
the two thousand and eight financial collapse got serious in
March two thousand and eight, when the Wall Street firm
of bear Sterns started to go under due to a
mortgage based securities. The New York Fed tried to bail
Burns bear Sterns out, but it still became insolvent. Anyway.
Then in September of two thousand and eight, Lehman Brothers, Oh,

(01:06:55):
there's Leman Brothers again. Building seven started to drawn, started
to drown as well.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
Pardon me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Thinking that the lesson of bear Sterns was not to
throw good money after bad, the authorities let Lehman go under,
which then in turn set off the global panic. Now, interestingly,
Jeffrey Epstein may have personally initiated the dominoes falling that
eventually brought in the collapse of bear Stearns by asking

(01:07:25):
on April eighteenth, two thousand and seven, for his fifty
seven million dollars back from a hyper leverage bear Sterns
hedge fund investing in mortgage based financial gim crackery right
the pyramid schemes of these mortgage backed lenders of the

(01:07:45):
late nineties and only two thousands now. Oddly enough, this
may have been one of the few actions that we've
heard about Epstein that isn't obviously shady. He probably got
the fifty seven million in the first place in a
crooked manner, but he had the right to try to
retrieve what money of his was left. From the New
York Times Financial Section from July eleventh, two thousand and seven. Okay,

(01:08:11):
this is a public article. It was about a year
ago that Jeffrey Epstein, the reclusive financier, was being charged
with soliciting prostitutes in Palm Beach, Florida. He may now
have another image problem on his hand. An image problem,
you think. BusinessWeek reports that mister Epstein's Virgin Islands based

(01:08:32):
money management firm, Financial Trust Company, is listed in a
filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission known as the
SEC as a stakeholder in bear Stearn's High Grade Structured
Credit Strategies Enhanced Leveraged Fund, which became much easier to
refer to in recent weeks as quote bear Stearn's collapsing

(01:08:54):
hedge fund. And it's a tantalizing nugget of information about
someone who rarely discloses anything about his business or his
billionaire clients. Despite his penchant for privacy, mister Epstein runs
in prominent circles. He once flew former President Bill Clinton

(01:09:15):
on his seven twenty seven regulatory filings show that mister
Epstein's firm had voting power over ten percent of the
equity in the Bear Stearns Fund. I want to repeat
that to you and tell many how many times you've
heard this regulatory filing show that mister Epstein's firm had

(01:09:37):
voting power over ten percent of the equity in Bear Sterns,
which aided by loans from some Wall Street's biggest banks,
bet heavily on the securities linked to the market for
subprime mortgages were those to homeowners with weak credit histories. Now,
as the subprime mortgage market had been rocked by a

(01:10:00):
in recent defaults, many of those bets have gone bad.
As of the end of April, the Bear fund was
downed twenty three percent for the year. You will be
surprised to know that mister Epstein did not respond to
BusinessWeek's calls and his lawyers had no comment.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
You think so.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
We now know that Epstein had invested fifty seven million
dollars in this Bear Sterns fund run by Ralph Chioffi
and Matthew Tannin t the very few Wall Street executives
that ever put on criminal trial over the crash. And
by the way, you'll be shocked to know that they
were found not guilty. I know it's shocking, isn't it.

(01:10:40):
From the Secret History of bear Stearn's crash in Fortune
two thousand and nine quote after forty months of positive returns,
the sudden and sharp decline in the two hedge funds
was new territory for Chioffi and Tannin. They struggled mightily
to figure out what to do. On April eighteenth, one
of Chioffi's investors, who have invested fifty seven million dollars,

(01:11:02):
informed him that he was considering recalling his money. So
the unnamed investor one in his money back was Jeffrey Epstein.
Chioffey told the investor that the portfolio managers had about
eight million of their own money invested, one third of

(01:11:22):
their liquid net worth, so he neglected to tell the
investor that he had taken two million of his own
money out and invested it in his other hedge fund.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
So Epstein.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Epstein appears to have been one day ahead of Chioffey
and ten In in figuring out the end was nigh. Well,
that's a shocker, right, because Masad never has any inside information.

Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
Goes on to say that ten and went on to
wonder whether the funds should be closed or significantly restructured.
The argument for closing the funds was based on the
market and on a complex internal April nineteenth CDO report,
which was a new analysis that Tenant had recently pursued. Quote,
if we believe the new CDO report is anywhere close

(01:12:08):
to accurate, I think we should close the funds now.
The reason for this, that is the if the report
is correct, then the entire subprime market is gone, right,
and the market about that the movie I should say,
and I can't remember the title off the top of
my head. The guy who played Christian Bales in it,

(01:12:30):
and a few other folks about this, they saw it
coming right. And if triple A bonds are systematically downgraded,
then there is no simple way for us to take money. Ever,
even in Wikipedia now synthesizes the bits and pieces that
have appeared here and there over the years, And this
is from Wikipedia. In August two thousand and six, Epstein,

(01:12:53):
a month after the federal investigation of him began, invested
fifty seven million dollars in the Barrister's high grade structured
credit Strategies Enhanced Leverage fund so this fund was highly
leveraged in mortgage backed collateral debt obligations. On April eighteenth,

(01:13:13):
two thousand and seven, an investor in the fund who
had fifty seven million invested discussed for deeming his investment. Now,
at this time, the fund had a leveraged ratio of
seventeen to one, so that meant for every dollar invested,
there were seventeen dollars of borrowed funds. Okay, that is less.

(01:13:38):
That is a very very low low percentage. Therefore, the
redemption of this investment would have been equivalent to removing
one billion dollars from this thinly traded market. So the
selling of these assets to meet the redemptions that month
began a repricing process and a general freeze in the market.
The repricing of the assets caused the collapse of the

(01:14:00):
fund three months later and the eventual collapse of bear
Stearns in March two thousand and eight. So it's likely
that Epstein lost most of his investment, but it's not
known exactly you know, they claim, Wikipedia says, but it's
not known how much of it was personally his. So
by the time that bear Stearns began to fail, in

(01:14:22):
May of two thousand and seven, Epstein had begun to
negotiate a plea deal with the US Attorney's office concerning
his eminent charges for sex with minors in two thousand
and seven. Right, So, in August two thousand and seven,
a month after the fund had collapsed, just a coincidence,
I'm sure the US attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta AA,

(01:14:48):
there's your eleven, entered into direct discussions about the plea agreement.
Acosta broker a lenient deal. And again the deals that
they get versus if this not that we would ever
do anything like this, But I'm just saying, Joe Schmo
does this, he gets twenty years in a state prison.

(01:15:11):
Right that there, you know, everybody is held accountable to
the law. Is another line that is complete farce, Right,
it's bs and you can cite this as one of
a thousand examples. So again, a costa brooker to a
lenient deal because he'd been ordered by hired government officials
to do so, who told him that Epstein was an

(01:15:33):
individual of importance to the government because he had pictures
of those people and videos of those people. As part
of the negotiations, According to the Miami Herald. Epstein provided
unspecified information to the Florida federal prosecutors for a more
lenient sentence that was supposedly an unnamed key witness for

(01:15:54):
the New York federal prosecutors in their unsuccessful June two
thousand and eight criminal case against the two managers of
the failed bear Stearns Hedge fund. Oh look whose name
appears again. Alan Dershowitz, one of Epstein's Florida attorneys on
the case, told Fox Business, we would have been touting
that if he had cooperated. The idea that Epstein helped

(01:16:16):
in any prosecution is news to me. Yeah, that guy
is the biggest fraud out there. So let's close out
with this. And you know, continuing with this financial aspect
that has not looked at enough, whether it was cloning
or you know, it is a part of the seed
war right through MR and A vaccines, they're trying to

(01:16:39):
ruin God seed, through GMO, They're trying to ruin his seeds,
of his seed line of fruits and vegetables. That's really
that this all these conspiracies we talk about are good
versus evil, and this guy and again he is not
even close to the most powerful entity. Right, there's so

(01:17:03):
many layers, but he's the face of it. And he
was a mover and he was a shaker, and he
had a large part of getting control over those in
power to carry out these evil agendas. And this is
Winterwatch dot net Russ Winner who I think he lives
in Poland or Romania. He writes a couple of articles

(01:17:27):
every day. Feel free to check out his website, winter Watch.
Hidden Epstein records indicate he won a forty one million
dollar Oklahoma lottery jackpot. And then, of course this He
wrote this shortly after he was allegedly found dead, which
we know he is alive and well today for sure.
On July second, two thousand and eight, just a day

(01:17:49):
after convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein started to serve an
eighteen month jail term in Florida, his new Mexico financial
planning company, which was called zorotruck Us, won the Oklahoma
Power lottery payout of forty one point three million dollars
and after taxes, ultimately collected nearly thirty million dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
In winnings.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
Epstein's new Mexico spread in his Black Book identifies a
column as Epstein Jeffries or a ranch with a phone
listing for Bryce and Karen, the very same Bryce Gordon,
who was manager of Zoro Trust. Only in cartoon world
would it be believable that a so called sophisticated investor

(01:18:38):
who typically is looking to scalp every arbitrary and every
basis point instead tosses money at awful odds lotteries. Right
rich people, I got breaking newspeople que the breaking news theme.
Right rich people don't play the lottery, simply don't. The

(01:19:02):
heist was facilitated by a quote computer glitch the day
of the public drawing on July second, two thousand and eight.
And here's an article from the Oklahoma Daily or The
Daily Oklahoma August twenty six, two thousand and eight. Trust
keeps powerball winner a mystery only lottery commission knows who

(01:19:23):
is now the twenty nine point three million dollar Who
is now twenty nine point three million dollars? Richer, a
financial planning company based in Oklahoma City, received twenty nine
point three million dollars Monday on behalf of the Zoro Trust,
which held the winning ticket from the July second drawing.

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
And then there's the next story. A glitch delays the drawing.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
A computer malfunction preempted the televised broadcast of Sunday's drawing.
Oklahoma officials said the glitch was discovered shortly before the
drawing was going to be shown. Lives as Jay Finks,
the lottery's marketing director. Instead of of seeing the drawing
at nine point fifty eight pm, viewers on Fox and
the CW network saw a notice indicating the drawing wouldn't

(01:20:09):
be shown because of technical difficulties. Fink said the glitch
wasn't fixed in time for the ten PM newscast, or
the drawing was held later and was monitored by an
auditing firm. You can't make this stuff up. So for
what purpose did the mysterious Epstein win the lottery? Inquiring
minds would like to know. Did he want his money

(01:20:31):
back from the money he had lost in the Bear Stearns?
Does lottery fraud go a long way toward explaining the
question of just how Jeffrey Epstein became a billionaire. Fixed lotteries,
fixed gambling stakes, maybe even fixed horse races and sporting
event payoffs. Right, we know sports are rigged. So The

(01:20:59):
Intelligencer wrote that executive Suite financiers discussed how absent Epstein
was from the field. You're supposed to run this enormous
foreign exchange trading firm, said Enrique Diaz Alvarez, a chief
risk at herbery. But I never once heard of him,
or his firm, or anyone who worked or traded with him.

(01:21:19):
And as Forbes wrote in twenty ten blog post with
a very direct title, quote sex offender Jeffrey Epstein is
not a billionaire. It stated that his money management firm
based in the US Virgin Islands quote generates no public records,
nor has his client list ever been released. Then we
have Spencer Couvin, who was an attorney representing three of

(01:21:43):
Epstein's alleged victims, told The Palm Beach Post in two
thousand and eight that quote in the litigation itself, we
were never able to get him to produce verified financial information.
The quote nine figures came by negotiation. It kept going
up and up and up. So besides lottery fraud, could

(01:22:05):
another source of Epstein's wealth be this Bernie made off
like Ponzi scheme again in his earli as two thousand
and nine, Business Insider noted that multiple red flags pointed
to a possible made off like fraud. One of his
early partners, another Jewish criminal named Steve Hoffenberg, was convicted

(01:22:26):
of running one of the largest pre made off Ponzi
schemes in United States history. According to journalist Vicky Ward,
Hoffenberg brought on Epstein in nineteen eighty one after he
left bear Stearns. Haffenberg paid Epstein twenty five thousand dollars
per month for his work as a consultant for Towers Financial.

(01:22:49):
Remember the guy Leon Black who ran Apollo Management, who
owns McGraw hill Books, paid Jeffrey Epstein one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars for quote.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
Consultation.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
You remember, Jeffrey Epstein got his first job from who.
Bill Barr's father, Donald Barr Offenberg, pled guilty in nineteen
ninety four to defrauding investors to the tune of four
hundred and fifty million dollars. For years, it appeared Epstein
had no exposure in the Tower Financial case until twenty eighteen,

(01:23:24):
when shareholders filed a putative count class action suit against
him for his alleged role in the Ponzi scheme. In
a separate New York state case, in twenty eighteen, Hoffenberg
reportedly detailed Epstein's alleged involvement in the scam. At this point,
it is unknown if or how much Epstein pocketed from
the Ponzi scheme. Because Epstein's wealth is held offshore and

(01:23:48):
is shrouded in mystery, some speculate that he may have
made his money in tax schemes or money laundering. Investigator
George Webb developed a theory that Epstein was a courier
of drug weapons and human trafficking using aircraft and wink
wink diplomatic passports obtained from other crime syndicate partners. One

(01:24:09):
of Epstein's clients was the Saudi Arabian businessman ad Non Kashagi. Yes,
that ad Non Kashaki, who was the middleman in transferring
American weapons from Israel to Iran right part of the
Iran Contra affair in the nineteen eighties. Kashagi was one
of several defense contractors that he knew and in the

(01:24:31):
mid nineteen eighties, Epstein traveled multiple times between the US, Europe,
and the Middle East, and at the time of his
most recent arrest, authorities discovered Epstein had a foreign passport
that listed his residence as Saudi Arabia, and don't forget
we do talk often that the neo kinds, the neocons

(01:24:53):
of the US government and Israel, Masad, et cetera, were
behind nine to eleven. Saudi Arabia did play a part
of it. While in London, Epstein met the aforementioned Steve Hoffenberg.
They had been introduced through the weapons network, namely Douglas Lease,
he's a defense contractor, and John Mitchell, the former Nixon

(01:25:16):
US Attorney General. So again, while the focus is on
the underage girls, right, there is quite a layer of
insider based, high level looting, fixed collusion across multiple financial schemes.
And of course he was quote pronounced dead of an
apparent hanging in a jail cell on this twenty four

(01:25:38):
to seven suicide watch. The guards just happened to fall
asleep and the cameras just happened to stop working. So
he was either too high of a risk and it
was easier for them just to take him out and
get him off the playing board, or he's alive and
well today in an undisclosed location, maybe very well, is

(01:26:00):
still running things, right, But I believe he went out
the back door a long time ago, right, and I
imagine the same is true with Glene Maxwell.

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
She's not sitting in a prison cell. Come on.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
So there you go very many layers to this onion,
and it obviously is well we ever get the actual
answer to this, probably not, absolutely not, but we know
the truth as we are told, is a facade and
we need to keep investigating and we shall continue to

(01:26:37):
do so into next week as we welcome a friend
of the show, Scott Shah back on the podcast and
we talk about, you know, what it was like going
through this loss, you know, suit process against a hospital
and the medical industrial complex and where is he going
from here? As we remember his daughter Grace and that'll

(01:26:59):
put her up on the day's program. I hope you
all have a tremendous week. I am going to try
to get up a classic audio this Sunday. Look forward
to that and again we'll see Scott Sharon next Tuesday
on the fifteenth.

Speaker 5 (01:27:10):
God bless each and every one of you. Have a
tremendous week.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
God blessed, take care and until we meet again, my friends,
we will see you.

Speaker 8 (01:27:30):
I see the world in chains, covered and smoke, killlies, truth,
lack of fire way, it's burning behind their rise, They
chase the empty line, they feed the silence thief.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
But I will stand the side.

Speaker 5 (01:27:48):
I'm fight for what I believe.

Speaker 8 (01:27:51):
I will kneel to the talk.

Speaker 7 (01:27:54):
I will about the fear.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Of calling out. Linday Fosco's discoplined I'm going on, said on.

Speaker 8 (01:28:06):
Man, tonight, break the chase and bring the lad Gonna
strike the serpent's head raised.

Speaker 9 (01:28:12):
The living from the dam, gonna tailor.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Mail tonight, I'm on back down from the fire. You
can't buy the ones who see the truth has made
me free.

Speaker 6 (01:28:36):
Hear the liar's tongue whispers and poisoned.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
But I know where I stand.

Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
The cross is planned it there. He tried to steal
my soul. But now I see through the scheme. His
kingdom's builds on sand, and I was born to dream.
I've got on a flame and a sorn in my head,
not to tell every throne that the end of even.

Speaker 9 (01:29:09):
I'm gone, said fail to night, shadow gone and stand.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
I'm gone, and chase the dark away?

Speaker 7 (01:29:17):
Shall my arm done?

Speaker 9 (01:29:20):
Said fail tonight, No more said gone south, this born
in my soul.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
It's time to take a calm, so change will fall.

Speaker 6 (01:30:00):
As we'll see truth will rising victor.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Darkness runs.

Speaker 9 (01:30:09):
It can not stay the veal. I'm gonna table bell tonight.

Speaker 7 (01:30:19):
Praise the souls of Donald.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Watch the infants.

Speaker 9 (01:30:24):
Place as the stolen Kin prays.

Speaker 7 (01:30:27):
Gonna table bell to night.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Send the captives free to this Martin Night.

Speaker 7 (01:30:34):
Cof Wills, you're.

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
Listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just the facts, Mammy,

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