Episode 357: Interview with Scott Roder

In this episode, we speak with Scott Roder, proprietor of Evidence Room LLC. We discuss the JFK assassination, World War II, Oklahoma City, COVID, 9/11, and much more. 

Evidence Room LLC's mission is to be the foremost provider of forensic animations and demonstrative evidence exhibits on a global scale. Since their inception in 2001, they have honed their expertise in crafting precise crime and shooting scene reconstructions through cutting-edge 3D CGI modeling. They offer a comprehensive suite of services that encompasses medical and surgical animations and illustrations, demonstrative evidence creation, as well as invaluable trial support and strategic consultation.

Show notes:
NXP Semiconductors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NXP_Semiconductors
Twitter/X https://x.com/scottrodercstm?lang=en
Forensic evidence specialist discusses murder trial of Derek Chauvin in death of George Floyd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo9nDQleAzk
Evidence Room https://evidence-room.net
Crime Scene Time Machine https://open.spotify.com/show/6J9HJUfbX5eV55aDwLGjFK?si=e4a9f7f16fb94229

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production. You're listening
to the fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is your host,
George Hobbs.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
for another edition of the fact Hunter podcast as we
record on this Wednesday, July the sixteenth, twenty twenty five.
I hope this podcast finds you well in the future
when you listen to it. We have a great guest
standing by we're going to jump into it today. Joining
us today is Scott Roeder.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
He is the.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
President of Evidence Room LLC. Their mission is to be
the foremost provider of forensic animations and demonstrative evidence exhibits
on a global scale. He's been in business since two
thousand and one and they've honed his expertise in crafting
precise crime and shooting scene reconstructions through cutting edge three
D CGI modeling, and they offer a comprehensive suit of

(01:00):
services that encompasses medical and surgical animations and illustrations, demonstrative
evidence creation, as well as invaluable trial support. And we'll
talk about all of these things, including his strategic consultation.
He's been involved in many, many cases in not just
in the United States, but around the world. Without any
further ado, our guest today is Scott Road or Good evening, sir,

(01:23):
and thanks again for your time tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Good evening, George. Such an honor to be here. I'm
a huge fan of your show.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
And I should have mentioned beforehand you have a podcast too.
You probably want to mention that.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Oh yeah, I mean I kind of do it out
of just a love of sharing some information. It's called
Crime Scene Time Machine. We don't run any advertisements on
the show. I do it just kind of as a cathartic,
you know, interaction with people out there and one place
to have fun discussions and kind of see where see

(01:57):
where it takes us.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, and one of the things we're going to talk
about today is the jfk assassination. And over the last
five years, I've had numerous people on his guest, Jim
Fetzer believed it was the driver who killed him. You know,
there's all kinds of theories out there, and it's interesting
when you talk about Crime Scene Time Machine even have
you ever taken a look I know this is off topic,

(02:21):
but have you ever taken a look at TWA eight
hundred I.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Have actually as a result of your show. You got
me so interested in that. I remember when that happened.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
And as I look back at that time when when
I was a very young father at that time, I
was working two jobs. I had two small children. We
were living in the top half of a double you know.
It was where I'm working sixteen hours a day, playing
with kids, going to baseball practices, and you know, just

(02:57):
trying to be a young dad with no money, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
And and I remember when that happened.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
It was I remember being something that really terrified me
because I was horrified.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
After nine to eleven.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
It was two thousand and one when nine to eleven happened,
and I was a very young professional at that time,
just in my late twenties, but my first real international
and national kind of work consultations where I just started
to have to learn how to fly on a regular basis.
And had that happened the very next week, I had
a fly to Maine where one of the where one

(03:34):
of the planes actually originated from, and.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I was horrified.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
So yeah, this couple of years, several years later, I
took note of that and I thought that that was
just inexplicable and horrifying. I mean since then, I you know,
I fly so much now it doesn't bother me. But yeah,
I've looked at that, and you know, I really think
I like the the theory that it was shot down
by the US Navy with a missile, the helicopters, the

(04:03):
helicopter pilot's testimony, I think to you, and then separately
on another place where he's been very consistent over the years,
that he was the first on the scene and he
was able to see. I mean, this guy was an
experienced helicopter pilot when he was there, he saw what happened.
I take his testimony as the most credible and most

(04:23):
accurate based on all physical and forensic evidence. I find
his testimony to be extremely reliable. And I think that
the fact that it wasn't followed up on legally or
even in the media, I mean, that's a crime amongst
the now counting thousands of crimes that our government and
overseers put upon.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Us in these decades.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
That my hair grows thin and my face drags to
the ground a bit more, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, it's interesting with all of the crime scenes, right
when you think of the big crime scenes in history.
Obviously nine to eleven is really even though it's considered
a terrorist right, but it is one of the largest
crime scenes in history. And people are going to point
to JFK.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
But three of the really.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
That altered the course of history. That So with TWA
eight hundred and I meant to say, all three of
these that I'm about to mention are flight incidents. To me,
I've never seen an incident want to be swept under
the rug. And it's not like, you know, with the
Epstein thing going on now, you guys just fighting about
it and saying it should go away. Wa flight hunter

(05:32):
just went away like they just stopped talking about it.
And then with the one in front of me here
Malaysia Airlines flight three seventy.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Oh, you know, I do you mind if I jump
in on that.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
I recently got a bit of a in a bit
of a I guess a Twitter x controversy over that
I was tweeting, and.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Actually whatever you call it, you can see my assistant
sets it up for me.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
But I've since you know, started to learn how to
give content to it, you know a little bit better.
I met up with Ashton Forbes, the gentleman who has
the theory that this is footage taken by the gorgon
Stare software system run by Palatine PayPal. You know guy

(06:23):
the planeteer, Guy Pantier, guy who owns the software called
gorgon Stare with an Artemis one software package update, which
when attached to a Reaper drone gives the ability to
take the kind of footage that has been leaked. And
Ashton Forbes has been for over a year now saying

(06:43):
he thinks this is original footage, and I agreed with him.
I thought that he met his burden of proof that
that footage of the plane disappearing is authentic. Now whether
now what how it gets disappeared, I haven't gone there,
he seems through his udies in physics and talking with
people like Abby Lobe, who I've spoke with many times

(07:06):
from Harvard, who's the guy who found amuamua the interstellar object,
and so forth.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Asking Congress for billions of dollars. But nice guy. Actually
I really like him.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
And just as a side note, and this probably will
give everybody, tip them off to my adhd Abby Lobe
when I first met him and I did a podcast
with him about three four years ago, it was about
a muamua, and I was trying to relate that to
kind of these interstellar UFO phenomenon that went wild starting
at about twenty nineteen, with guys like lu Alizondo and

(07:39):
Christopher Mellon of the Melon Banking family and all of
these CIA players trying to push this sky emergency kind
of situation, you know.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
And so I talked to Avi.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
And the first time I met Abby, it was before
the Gaza Israel thing happened, popped off, right, and he
was very pro Israel, very pro military, serve to the IDEF,
you know. Yeah, he's got COO citizenship. And then on
the third time that I interviewed him, and I'm Christian,
and I actually thank you for reminding me to be

(08:12):
a good Christian. And that's part of the reason why
I fell in love with your show. You know, as
struggle as it might be, so, but I try to
reach out to people, and even him, I'm very you know,
I have a joy for him because he's like my
own private Harvard professor. I could see that with but
he was very anti Gaza, calling them names and such.

(08:32):
But then by the third time I met him, he's
like he said, he was on the court. He said
to me, I'm in Israel right now. We need to
stop investing in money into weapons of self defense and
weapons of war because it will only beget war. He
took a pro Palestinian anti war stance as a Jewish
israel sign. I was so proud of him that he

(08:54):
made that conversion to see the truth for what it is.
And as a Christian, it's a Jewish man I'm very
proud to call my friend and mentor.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
He really came around. And it proves you that older
people can learn.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Too, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And that's and anytime you call a call out an
entire group of people as evil, you just can't do that.
And there's been many cases like Abraham who have come out,
and even just this morning they started bombing Syria, the
capital of Syria again. And those are people, man, those
people have been just getting bombed for the last thirteen years.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Or whatever it's been. It's just, man, it's hard to see.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Little Ohio has a very large Palestinian and Arabic community,
mostly Christian Arabs, but a lot of Muslim Arabs too.
My kids grew up next. You know, they are the
most loving, wonderful people. We might have a different spiritual idealizations,
but it doesn't matter. There's so good human beings and

(09:51):
for them to get maligned to like this on Twitter,
it's just it's hurtful how people are so easily calling
the other person filthy when they're the leper sharing the food,
you know, as that one story Jesus said, you know, uh,
And it's like, I try to stay away from that

(10:11):
and I try to have positive conversations when it comes
to this stuff, but you know I have fall victim
to it as well.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Man, you get caught.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Up in it, you do, especially on Twitter, like you mentioned,
you can.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Get Yeah, so yeahhe three seventy right.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
So yeah, there's something I wanted to run. I wanted
to run past you to see if it it's something
you experienced before.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
So yeah, one of the things that.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
The video is real.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
But what's happening in the video, I think is I
started trying to learn about it, but I got busy
with my work. You know, I can't learn physics and
do a crime scene company of the same time, so uh,
you know, I kind of just leaving it more.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
As like you know, downtime conversation. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Absolutely, one thing that kind of goes under the radar
that doesn't get talked about enough. Is there were twenty
individuals that were scientists who work for a company called
Free Scale Semiconductor, and they were in this early stages
of creating this crisper technology, and so they disappear, the

(11:10):
scientists disappear, and then Freescale Semiconductor gets sold by NXP
less than a year later.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
You know, at the end of the day, it's always
about the money.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
It's always about the consolidation of assets.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
And you know, the.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Guy who gets away with the prize just gets the
one who gets to write the headlines.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Right, absolutely, it just keeps happening.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
And I bet you the NXP is NXPI. I bet
you if I I asked Google or whoever you know
who owns them, it's going to be Vanguarden, black Rock. Well, yeah,
don't own everything, right, Yes, I don't even have to look,
but I'm sure somebody's listening to the podcast will look
that up to verify. But the other out of the three, right,
we had MH three seventy, we had t W eight hundred.

(12:00):
This one was just an individual. So Bin Laden had
a brother named Salem Salem Bin Laden. He was friends
with the Bush family, always visiting Houston. His plane crashed
around Houston, like before all this nonsense kicked off. I
think it was the late nineties or maybe even two thousand,
and that was just an oh, by the way accident,

(12:20):
and a lot of people end credence to the fact
that he kind of may be caught wind of the
scheme of this whole thing, because even bin Laden's father
was in DC or New York City. I can ever
remember which one giving a speech or at a lecture,
And of course the story goes, they gathered their family
and that was the only plane to fly that day

(12:41):
other than the president.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Was the bin Laden's leave in the country.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, right, No, I believe that is to be true.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Now when it comes to nine to eleven, I think
I like to try to base things on my kind
of experience in reconstructing accidents and crimes. I get more
fascinated with the impact of the airplanes allegedly into the
two buildings. Of course that doesn't count Building seven and
or the Pentagon, and also that field in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
You know, so I there.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Was clearly in three of those buildings, and I think
four buildings of Pentagon Building seven. And then it's when
towers had pre existing explosives in certain areas to allow
these buildings, the three buildings to collapse, and then the
Pentagon for that records area to blow up, right, And

(13:38):
so I find that the most compelling aspect to show
that the fraud was in the books were cooked. As
they say, hold on a second, where's my coincidence?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Jar? Yeah, man, it's uh so.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
So I think it's clear those buildings came down in
a controlled demolition. Willingly now whether those were remote control airplanes,
or whether they really were terrorists on there, or whether
they were just players in a war games exercise went awry.
I think a lot of those things are possible, some

(14:17):
are more probable than the others. But I think the
thing that cannot that stands on its own objectively, is
that those three buildings in New York came down in
a control, deliberate way, pulverized sheet metal. It doesn't you know,
there was nothing physical left, you know, it was everything
the asbestos in the air and anyway the Pentagon. So

(14:41):
I think that's the most compelling part about nine to eleven,
And the other stuff is it's so interesting but it's
such a rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
And then also you still kind of get shamed talking
about nine to eleven and it's weird. What do you
think about that, George?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, I get that there's a certain gentleman who I
served with three of my four tours in Iraq, and
if I ever bring that up, he gets very angrily
angry at me, as in some way, shape or form
me questioning this is like disparaging our service. And listen,

(15:18):
we should be in search of the truth, no matter
how bitter it tastes. I'm the type of person who
prefers the bitter truth over a sweet lie. That there's
some people who just I don't know what it is.
If it's they feel it's going to change the trajectory
of their comfortableness if they open their eyes and kind
of see the world for what it is.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
But I think that the reason that they don't want
to admit something so obvious and to have that cognitive
dissonance as survival chechnique because their ego and their psyche
can't handle admitting being fooled and believing a lie gives
you more dignity to believe that you want fooled and

(16:00):
be wrong than to admit that you were wrong and
admit you're a fool, not in a bad way. Listen,
I was a fool about everything in my life until
I turned about thirty two, you know. Uh, and then
now I'm fifty three and I'm like still trying to
figure it out.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, But you know when you said it that way,
that's exactly him. He's very he's a very proud guy.
Not in a discerning way, but just he will He's
not the you know that everybody has a guy who
who will never say he's sorry or he's wrong, but
he's a good guy at heart.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
He's he's that guy.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
And I think now that you mentioned that, yeah, he
doesn't want to admit that he was fooled in all
those years were in I guess in vain is the
only way to really put it.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
But well, I mean it's I think your intention takes
into account.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
I have a lot of friends that are kind of
biblical Christians and go back to Old Testament, and they
started like, did you read Deuteronomy? Like, well, no, I
didn't read Deuteronomy, but I do like all the stuff
Jesus has to say. That's a much more loving. I
guess we're selective science. But yeah, but I think being
that humble, you're like, yeah, it's not a big deal
of that I was wrong about something on this earth

(17:14):
at whatever age it was, I experienced that.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Thing and made an opinion that I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
I had to time myself too until I was dead.
You know, it's hard to just admit, yeah, I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I messed up.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, By the way, I should mention black Rock and
Vanguard own thirteen percent of NXP Semiconductors.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
I wonder if you I wonder if they owned thirteen
percent of Evidence Room you never know, sol pro priorship
since two thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
I call it.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Eate criminal unemployment because you're constantly every day, you know,
you're constantly like, we got to get some work.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I've got, you know, six full time employees. Yeah, and
you know we're busy.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
I just pick up the phone nowadays because I've been
doing it for such a long time. But in the
early days, you know, you're on the phone, you know
your work, and you're trying to get people to give
you business so that you can provide for your family
and you know, it's just it's hard for everybody out there,
no matter where you're at in your life. Everybody, I
think I'm never going to retire. I think you just
I'm just going to grind until I can't grind no more.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, that's you know, that's one of the greatest lessons
I learned when I had my own business in Texas.
Employees you call them employees, but they were extended family members.
You you look out for them, you take care of them,
you provide for them, you provide for their families, and
you understand. You don't really understand until you own a
business the inherent responsibility of you know, they work for
you to provide, you know, all the money you invested

(18:41):
to start this business, and in return, you're you know,
you're you're feeding their family and insurance and all this
other stuff. It is one of the great responsibilities and things.
I'll I'm hoping to open another business here in the
near future. But I'll tell you that's just congrass on
you in this day and age. To to be in
business for almost twenty five years. It says a lot

(19:02):
about your discipline, because that's the one thing you have
to have to be a businessman. You need to have
self discipline because nobody else is going to do it
for you.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah, and you have to continue to be better, and
you have to be humble enough to know when it's
time to grow and give up control of certain things.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, and rely on other people to fulfill those things. Right.
And I've been so lucky to see these people grow
with me.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
One guy, Pat's been with me for seventeen years, Megan
has been with me for four, and we've got some
newcomers and so on. And we have people that's been
here for ten years and they went into other great
careers and now they have children. And I have, you know,
a little I have babies coming into the evidence room.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
You know that weren't there before.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
You know, he wasn't married when he worked for me,
and now he's married and he's got babies. And you know,
we've been there for each other when my father died
or when you know his brother, you know whatever, like
we all.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Rely on each other.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
You're right, we are family, and there's a sense of
and I don't feel I feel like it's such an
honor to, you know, be good at something enough that
people can also be good at it. With you learn
it as you learn it, grow it as you grow it,
and then ultimately, you know, make a life for them
for whatever path they choose. You know, Amen, Amen, something

(20:21):
to go away with, you know, some good experiences and
stories because if you're in the white collar field of
whether it's education or science, or law enforcement or politics
or philosophy or writing or reporting, journalism, podcastsing whatever it
is that we just do these soft sciences with, right,
it's all about being able to have a story, to

(20:43):
be relatable as a human being, and how you problem solved,
because that's all business is.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
It's problem solving, right.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, problem solving that that's it should be number one
on your resumes, folks, because problem solving is becoming a
lost art. I wanted to mention. I wanted to ask
you this question to kind of segue into JFK. Did
JFK was that something you take that you took a
look at prior to starting your business. Did that have
any effect on you starting your business or is it

(21:14):
more of a you got into crime scene and then
you went back and looked at the JFK assassination and
kind of analyzed it differently than maybe most of us would.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Great question.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
So I really didn't have it on my radar as
a critical piece of history that I needed to be
attached to, probably until the year twenty ten something like that.
When I started my business, you know, I was a
demonstrative evidence guy where we did graphics science graphics for lawyers,
you know, medical illustrations, medical animations, surgical animations. It was

(21:48):
a technical art form, you know, but there was no
forensic expert capability to it. So then when I moved
into that kind of as your career evolves, we started
doing more shoot sciences and I'm now as owner of
Evidence Room. I've worked on over a thousand shooting related
death cases, okay in my career, both as an expert

(22:11):
witness and as a consultant or analyst as part of
a legal team, whether it's a single gunshot, a suicide,
a mass shooting.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Most of the ones that I.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Work on our police involved shooting cases, I worked both
for plaintiffs and for law enforcement. I'm I'm not I'm
an objective opinion expert witness. So I don't tell you
this is a bad guy or that's a bad guy,
or boat this way or that way. I'm just telling you, well,
this is how the bullets moved, This is where everybody
was when this happened, and these were the decisions that

(22:40):
were made to make these happen. This is what the
blood means, and that means the body was here. I
don't tell you this, you know, I try. I try
to just keep it to what the evidence means, right,
and then we make animations.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
To show it.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
So as a result of doing that work, I met
a guy by the name of doctor Cyril Weck out
of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, just recently passed away days of ninety three.
I'm proud to call him a friend of mine, a
mentor of mine, a colleague of mine. I worked with
him for about fifteen years or so. He just passed away.
I probably started working with him in twenty ten and so.

(23:15):
Doctor Weck was a Navy medical doctor pathologist in nineteen
sixty three and living in Dallas, Texas with his good
friend who worked at the surgical department of the PARKLA
Medical Hospital where John F. Kennedy was brought in after

(23:35):
he was shot that day, where they did an autopsy
demonstrating beyond any reasonable doubt the back of his head
was blown out, which indicated a shot from the front
because the way the bullet works of it's point two
two three round in that weapon, we could get into

(23:56):
So but that's how I got into it because doctor
Weck was the foremost expert on the John F.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Kennedy assassination.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
He was there, he lived at Live Right. He wrote
many books. Uh, the greatest murder mystery ever. He consulted
with Oliver Stone and uh the magic bullet theory, uh
was his terminology for that movie.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
And uh and so on. So you know, he was
one of the greats out there.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
And uh, you know I wrote a book with him
and doctor Henry Lee and Melvin Tucker, doctor Van.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Bren Blair come called Prevention Office of All Deaths.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
And we're sitting around, you know, after the book rewrite
and the third day at his Pittsburgh hospital house.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know, he's having a brandy and a cigar.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Doctor Lee is making a cup of tea with his
own tea that he brought from Connecticut, you know, and
they're arguing about the O. J.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Simpson case. Doctor Lee was on the O. J. Simpson case.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Of course, I worked with Johnny Cochran many times. He
was my first client. Really has Yeah, and uh, a
lot of people feel and we'll get into JFK. But
that's how I met doctor Weck. But just to talk
about Johnny Cocker for a second. In the O. J.
Simpson case, now I got to meet Johnny. He was
my first client as a private businessman. In two thousand
and two, I drove to Chicago. I was a young kid.

(25:15):
I had five cases under my belt. I knock out
Johnny Cockran's door. I'm like, I want to do.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I want to work for you doing shooting scenes and stuff.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Because he was all you know, it was after OJ
and at five years after OJI, the biggest layer in
the world at this point. Yeah, I come in there
a million white kid, all black lawyers.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I'm so like, oh my god, from Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
So that's not a big deal, right, And so I
do my presentation for like, you know, forty five.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Minutes and I was like, I like him, hire him.
And he was the most magnificent man. Tape a wonderful opportunity.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
I've been working for his law for him since there's
just great people and they're fighting for people's rights.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
And I give Hi all the world for that.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Before we get back into yeah, I'm sorry. Before we
get back into JFK, you mentioned that you've handled all
hundreds and high undreds of these murder cases, and I
understand that you're really looking at the scientific that kind
of thing. But have you ever taken the time to think,
is there a common denominator when a man decides to

(26:14):
take another human being's life?

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Well, that's a provocative question, George Dare. I think I'm
knowledgeable enough to make it opinion of that. I think
that there's it's a long process to get there. I
think it's a sliding scale. I think you don't just

(26:46):
spur to anger in a moment's notice unless you have
years and years of wearing down of that sense of
peace that allows you to then get fit enough to
then snap.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I think it's different for everybody.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Everybody has different lives, difficult from different places, different medical conditions,
physical beings, spiritual situations, addictions, abuses.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Victim being at whatever.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
It's a complicated world that we live in and it's
very easy for people. And I see people with their
worst days. Right, this is when I'm I'm kind of
the the John Madden of the well this is what happened, folks.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, and it never stops coming.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
The plays just keep on getting called at that line
of scrimmage, and these guys still go out there for
that past and then they get popped and you know,
they their case lands in front of you. It's you know,
it feels so gothic sometimes and I feel, you know,
grateful that it's not just a morbid technical thing.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
We've we've helped people.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
You know, some of the cases result in post conviction
release cases where just recently last summer, we had a
case Christopher Dunn, African American and Saint Louis, Missouri, who
in nineteen eighty nine was convicted by sheer speculation and
conjecture of a thirteen year old, fourteen year old and

(28:15):
fifty year old kid two o'clock in the morning with
no lighting whatsoever, spent all of his days thirty two
years in jail.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
We get him, finally get him released here I testify.
Weren't great. We're like so excited.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Then they judge said, set him free. He's actually innocent.
He's now married, living on a beach in San Diego, and.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
So like sometimes we get like that big win.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
We've had like five or six of those in our career,
and they're so hard to get right. We're five six now,
so it's not just the morbid, says Technical Science. Sometimes
we actually get to help people, you know, So that's
that's fun. But how that relates to John F. Kennedy
is when I interviewed doctor Weak for my podcast. So
you can go back in my history of the Crime
Scene Time Machine and look at the episode. Just type

(28:57):
in evidence Hipping the Crime Scene Time Machine, Doctor Cyril,
John F. Kennedy Assassination. I probably have eight podcasts that
I've released on John F. Kennedy or inteeing, doctor Weck
and some other colleagues, my own animations I put.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Out of everything.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
But there's something that doctor I asked him a question,
last question, I said, doctor Weck, it's been fifty years,
sixty years now since John F.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Kennedy has been dead.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Why should people not born today care about not born?
Why should they care about this? Why is this important?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
A pause?

Speaker 4 (29:33):
He said, because Scott, there was a coupd a'tade that
day in nineteen sixty three where the President of the
United States was killed in broad daylight on a major
American city. There was a change of hands and the
power of who controls this country, and that is the
start of the decline of the dream that was the
democracy that was when our government was overthrown and nobody's

(29:58):
been held accountable for that and they never will be. No,
and that's a fact, and that's sad and that upset me.
But it inspired me to talk about why I think
that's important.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
It's very important, and not even getting into the I
don't want to get to that point yet. I'm sorry,
but no, that is heavy, and I believe you know,
they say that is the day America lost its innocence,
but that when you hear that from the big media players,
that's just them trying to say, oh, that's the day.
You know, here's this president who was It was a
whole romantic time in America, a young forty something president

(30:35):
with a beautiful first lady, and boom that happened. But
I mean, that is just literally the first layer of
the onion. You know, that led to that led to Vietnam,
that led to Demona in Israel, it led to I mean,
just that the country has been hijacked. And you're right,
you know, we get told we're going to release the
Epstein files. I just saw your Twitter post with cash

(30:58):
Mattel looks like he's.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Being held a gun point.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, that face he makes and everything, it's just kick
they kick the can down, and so many people they
just hang on to the hopium thinking that you know,
the next guy who comes along is going to reveal
the secrets. Hey, here's a twist, folks. JFK tried to
release the secrets. He came out at the Astoria Hotel

(31:23):
in nineteen April of nineteen sixty one and said he
wanted to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces. And
the CIA is the organization that is controlled by the
powers that be and probably the people who control the
likes of the Rockefellers and Rothchilds whose names we don't
even know.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Are we talking about the Reptilians here?

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Jordan and maybe.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
A little bit.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Look, you know, listen, when we get into that conversation,
we're just a couple of guys having fun, maybe a
beer at the barbecue.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Everybody's mereditated purposally.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
But the you know, I find it so funny because
when you really break down, like if you ever like for.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Fun on a vacation. I took one of David Ike's books.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Oh yeah, to Miami, and I'm like, we're golfing and
I'm just read sitting there at the beach. Later reading
the book, I'm getting to David, I like, I'm suicidal
after reading it's just awful.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
I mean, it might be true, it might be true,
who knows, who knows, But.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
The point is we gotta still have fun and love
each other, try to enjoy these gifts because I think
it's a very special thing to be alive as a
human being, even at these crazy times. And I think
the way to get through it is to a little
bit of levity, you know, is okay from time to time.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
You know, not everything has to be what you have
to fight to the death over. You know.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
This is one great analogy of like this guy is
like what's important in life. He's got a glass jar
and he puts in golf balls. He's like, he's a full.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Now.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
He puts in pebbles and he's a full. Now he
puts in sand, and now how it's a full jar
media life. The golf balls are the important thing. Family,
your friends, your health, your children, food, work, responsibilities to
move your life forward. You know, the little pebbles that's
like sports, your favorite football team, your baseball team, your

(33:15):
friends of friends, your parties, your bars, your pubs, your
golf matches, whatever it is. You got to do this
entertainment stuff, watching TV whatever, eating an ice cream cone and.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Then the sand is like kind of everything else.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yep, you know, so I try to treat these things appropriately.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Indeed, indeed, you don't want to look back at the
end of your life, and you know, I have to
pull myself out of the rabbit hole because you'll just
be broken down all the time, just miserable.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, it's real heavy, especially when we talk about nine
to eleven and things like that, but with JF.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Because people are dead. But you'll listen.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Being a half Irish and half German, you know, I
give us enough credit to know that you and you
make jokes at funerals because it's a lot easier than
crying your eyes out.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, because it's better to.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Celebrate life as you celebrate the dead. And if we
really are who we say we want to be, you know,
I think it's a celebration. It's a that's the sort.
And my father just passed away to the age of
eighty five, and it was it come on ago, I
think very much. And we didn't have the greatest relationship,

(34:29):
but the last couple of years of his life we
really became good friends awesome, and that was such a.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Gift to me. Uh And.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
But you know, it's how you react to it, you know,
is it going to be as sad? Of course it's sad,
but it'shead of crying. You could laugh until jokes and
stuff and things like that, right, so I think it's
a bit of gallows humor. Being a crime scene expert,
you have to, you know, have a because if I
take every one of the death cases, I work on
it emotionally.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
You know, there's not much left for everybody else you're done. Well.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
That was one of the questions I had for you, was,
you know, when you deal with this type of thing
day and day out, you have to have some sense
of levity and not I guess make it personal for
lack of better words. I know, in some cases when
you're trying to prove someone's innocence, you can't help but
get personal. But when it comes to the actual death
part of it, you really have to be careful. You
don't want it to have this full blown depression overcome

(35:24):
you right.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Well, yeah, you're right, and I think you get a
warrior mentality about it, and it gets very competitive, you know,
in the courtroom. You know, I was a former baseball player.
Some saved out a very good baseball player. I thought
it was okay. But yeah, if I played baseball for years, yeah,
thirty years, I just quit played, you know recently, say up,
bad back whatever.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
And but like the court, it's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
You know, you up there, you give your testimony and
you get some highly educated lawyer on cross examination really
trying to you know, kick your you know what in
the dirt and get you angry, get you excel, you
know whatever, all kinds of different emotional gas lighting and
manipulation of sites of it. Very rarely do you get
a scienceific question across examination. Across examination, you get a
lot of hypothetical uh and uh, let me read you

(36:13):
something out of a deposition and then UH ask you
a really long yes or no question.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
You know. So there's a competitiveness, there's a.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Jostling, there's a strategy, you know, and you know when
it comes to JFK, I mean, I think clearly in
the if that case ever got into this into a
courtroom today, there would be such a unanimous verdict in
such a short period of time. You know, I don't
think that you could indict Lee Harvey Oswald for anything

(36:48):
based on the evidence now it was handling that case.
Even if he did survive, I think that the simplest
of defense lawyers from anywhere could have successfully defended him
in federal, in or state court for any crimes that
he was charged against.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
So sorry, So you was as a crime scene investigator,
if you took the stand today and they brought back
the records and from everything you've looked at, which is
a lot, would you could you feel comfortable saying that
John F. Kennedy took a bullet to the front of
his head. Absolutely so, And then just that right, because

(37:26):
we live in a world where there's so much going
on and it's really hard to grasp the repercussions of
these things, like how we just mentioned, yeah, there were
explosives in those towers, and then we we know there's
no accountability, and then you know that the country was
hijacked on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, which you

(37:47):
know they say, if you if you can see the signs, right,
the veil will fall from man's eyes thirty three is
right in front of your eyes, eleven twenty two, thirty three.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
So they kind of left evidence as to who did it.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
But I feel like you kind of have to Yeah,
I agree in their.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, they kind of have the whole you know, eyes
wide shut style.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
A little you know, the illuminated light of care where
they gotta they have these rules where they get they
got to tell you they're doing the thing, you know,
the thing that you know really took me out of
the rabbit hole and shook me up like a rascally rabbit.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Was like that point where I'm like, oh, no, was
the pandemic right?

Speaker 4 (38:37):
I got my first shot right, And I was like, oh,
I gotta get the shot.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I gotta get the shot.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
You know, And I was like late. I was really
low on the list of getting the shot. They finally
got one of the off brand shots and I had
to because I.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Had to go to courts and everything.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Let me on the airplane, I kind of airlines. They
wouldn't let me on the air You wouldn't let me
on the airplane to go to San Francisco to go
to my crime seat.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
And I had to go. I had to go.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Okay, drive to San Francisco from Cleveland too long. I
can't take a train there.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
I had to fly. So I got the shot. Plus
I was scared anyway, you know, for the news consumer.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
And uh, but yeah, all my testimony became remote after that.
But but but then I was looking back, you know,
of course, now I know it was you know, it
was poison It was, it was all of it was.
I think the disease was meant to give you the
poisoner in the shot for population control.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Me at the end of the day, just a personal opinion.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
People could probably prove that.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
But but then it went back to the twenty twelve
Olympics opening ceremony where they foreshadowed the pandemic and it's
gothic Pink Floyd style, uh COVID balls with giant nurses
with needles and people tied to their beds like a
terrible Pink Floyd the wall Car tune.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
They were telling us what they were going to do
before they did.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
There was also a one of the superhero movies I
don't remember, it was Thor Captain America where he stops
in the middle of times square, and if you look
one symbol on the left, it was an advertisement for
Corona beer Corona, and the other one had just had
a random you know, the little symbol that looked like
COVID the ball with a little thing sticking out of it.
And when you look back at these things and then

(40:26):
like movies like Contagion and Outbreak are intentionally put in
place years in advance to get you to understand, oh,
that's if I touched that, and that person's sick, I'm going,
you know, and the whole and you're right that the
whole scare tactic. Like everybody was glued to the news
at five pm when Trump would come on and give

(40:47):
the update or the doctor Birks or whoever, and the
updates and seventy thousand people died today.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
You're like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
The counter how many people were dead? I mean, it
was the most morbid mind control manipulation that you know,
the world has ever seen.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
And it was a giant power grab. There was more businesses,
the essential businesses and the non essential businesses.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
All of the.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Small convenience stores and little family shops and things were
shut down, but they kept open Target and Walmart.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
And Amazon and yeah and all that.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
It was a you mean, people went out of business
or just got competed out by the you know, not
since two thousand and eight have I seen so many
people leave the self employment ranks as the after the
during the pandemic.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Of small businesses in Colorado, Springs went permanently shut down
by September of twenty twenty, so almost half of their
small businesses closed for good within nine months of the
pandemic or six months, I'm sorry, six months.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I mean it's supposed to be America, right.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah, and imagine somebody calling you non essential, that your
business is non essential, that what you do to feed
your family is non essential.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
But I think that in a way it backfired on them.
Although I don't think we're gonna win.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Oh no, it woke a lot of people up, woke.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
A lot of people up that now know how to
do research. I mean, you got you've got people out
there learning physics. You got people out there, well, what
is the shape of the earth? You know, you know
those crazy people, what's the mooth landing?

Speaker 6 (42:37):
Fake?

Speaker 4 (42:38):
You know, listen, I'm earth shape agnostic, George. I don't
think we've ever seen I don't know. I mean, but
if you say the oblate spheroid, you know, I think
an atmosphere could be and then you know, there's numerous possibilities.
But I know the stuff they're showing us is a

(42:59):
uh a lens manipulation.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Fish islands, yeah, fish islands, although the Chinese don't have
the fish islands they I don't think care. If you
look at the Chinese rockets that go up, they don't
have a fish islands.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Huh. You can actually see the flat horizon.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, Well, you know, I think at this point a
lot of it's mockery just because they know they can
get away with it, and I think maybe they're overplay,
like if I think if they stop the COVID nonsense,
like maybe at the fall of twenty one and just
said we're good, but they kept pushing it and then
Biden talking about the Winner of Death and all of

(43:40):
the nonsense.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
I think a lot of it's magic.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, it is like magic.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
It is black magic with a K. Yep, yeah, with
a K.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
I mean it goes to Alistair Crowley and his lineage.
You know in the crime see world. You know, we
have coaching trees. You know East Coast coaching tree of
doctor Weck and doctor Lee. You know, other guys come
from the West Coast coaching tree of you know this
scientist or that right, and it would be the court,
you know. But then you get like the politicians people

(44:09):
they kind of come from the Alistair Crowley thing where
they come from, like the secret magic mystery schools and
guys like Rudolf Steiner and Madame Blavatsky, which seemed to
be magicians who were trying to do good. But then
you have guys like Alistair Crowley who were using it
for dus doubts, will.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Right and the other ones.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
I think we're in service to others, where I think
Crowley is service to self and they can draw upon
these harmonic spirits or demonic spirits. Matter of fact, I
think Aleister Crowley even is the first disclosure expert.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
When he apparently did some he stayed at the top.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Of the Pyramid of Giza. The guy was an accomplished mountaineer,
uh Alistair Cowley, and he was up at the top
of the geeze A pyramid. He spent the night and
he had an encounter with an actra treastural being and
actually drove a picture of it, say his book, and
it's like the traditional gray.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Alien that we would hear from you lur today.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
So I think it's all very interesting stuff when you
look at how everything is connected, and it's just I
think as an investigator.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
One must be mindful and use discernment in choosing what
to investigate and how deep to go, because there's a
lot of depths to different things.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Some things are deeper than others, some things are darker
than others, say like the way I like to explain it.
When I was doing I did investigating just by chance
this UFO out of Las Vegas where it landed, crash
people's backyard, the view of it, and I proved, I
analyzed the video, proved beyond all it's a real vide
one hundred percent, interviewed the family. I just I taped
the thing with ancient aliens on. It's coming out like

(45:59):
as the next week or something. And it's when everybody says.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
To UFO videos, well just you know.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
But but it's like the UFO is like, first it's fun,
then it's interesting, that's cool, it's weird, and then it's
scary it's dark.

Speaker 7 (46:14):
Yeah, you gotta know when to Okay, I'm done with that,
because then you get to the point you realize that
these are these can very well be demons, not just
guys zooming in from planet X.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Well I know, yeah, yeah, listen, like I don't know.
I'm not an expert on aliens, but I know I'm
not gonna pray to one. No, and I'm not gonna
didn't meditate with a green laser pen and say, hey,
this is why I am at you coming.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
No, No, I'm not doing that. I don't know. I
do not excuse me, Oh that's a demon coming out there.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
You go be going, well, when you talk about them,
they kind of you know, they do that.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, but it's like, you know, you don't invite these
people in your house, in your life.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
No, and even I'm careful anytime I talk about Jamatria
all that stuff. You got to be extremely careful. What
what you mess with us?

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Exactly? Keeping it too. Yeah, that's a great point.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Or the one the bloody maror you know all those things,
the three times and that's there's the number three again.
That's where they kind of tell you about the numerology.
It's no kidding, but you made a great point. Because
even when I look at nine to eleven, to me,
it's the proof that it was pre it was staged
for years. I even think that maybe when they were

(47:42):
building this in nineteen sixty eight, that they knew it
was going to come down, that it was part of
the plan and everything, because there's no way that Silverstein
and all this just happens is a coincidence. But like
I look for the five w's basically, and then like
I'm not to waste a whole lot of time like.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Was it drones? Was it CGI?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
And all these other things, because there's just so many
other things that I'd rather look into, Like I know
that this event was staged, probably by you know, parts
of our government, Saudi Arabia Masad. In most cases, when
you look at these things, you just have to see
who it benefits. That The most famous, going full circle

(48:29):
back to JFK, very famous photo right after they get
back on Air Force one. She's standing there her she
just saw her husband get his brains blown out, and
you know there's lbj's buddy winking at him, and lbj's
let you know, kind of smile like what kind of
monster are you kidding me?

Speaker 8 (48:54):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
I'm talking about that famous picture.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Right, Oh yeah, absolutely, you know I think that was
what chief of staff of the LBJ.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah, yeah, there you go, it was.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Who did that?

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Listen, John F. Kennedy's brain is missing from the National Archives, folks. Okay,
Jeffrey Epstein did not commit suicide, and they stole John F.
Kennedy's brain. I mean, it's just so obvious. It's right there,
you know, you know, And I feel like it's.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
The powers that be that still care about the disclosure
aspect of it. I think, are they know? Apathy has
set in?

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Right, you got your football, You go watch your Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Oh God, bless you.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
You gotta go.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
You know, you gotta go in summer vacation once a year, right,
you gotta work twelve hours a day, big car payment,
big electric, We'll dig everything, watch the news, eat bad food.
They got you. The apathy has set in across everywhere.
And if it wasn't for me knowing doctor Weck, I

(50:12):
would probably be just as apathetic about everything as well.
So I don't blame people for their apathy. It's just
a busy, busy working a entire excuse me, but busy
working and tired.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Absolutely, you know, we were all at that point of
our life working sixty hours a week. You got to
come home, you got to cook dinner, and you just
want to take off your shoes and have an ice
cold beverage and have an hour of peace and quiet,
and then you started again the next day. Unfortunately, we
live in a time now. If you think about it,
I'm just a couple of years older than you, I'm
fifty six. But if you just count from sixty three,

(50:48):
over the last sixty two years, you had the government overthrown,
you had a just a war we had no business
being in that led to the death of fifty eight
thousand young men, and then into the seventy with all
that nonsense, I mean nine to eleven, Waco, COVID two
thousand and eight. All of this stuff happening within sixty years.

(51:09):
And what for someone who's in you know, seventy five
years old. They've seen it all and it's just it's
it's quite an amazing time to be alive. And it
really is alive. Absolutely, there's a reason you're in this timeline.
God put us here because he thought we could handle
it and make a difference.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Absolutely, you know, and everybody has. It's the thing I
love about the time that we're in and my.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Girlfriend has a you know, she has she has a joke.
She's like, Jesus loves you. I'm still trying.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
You know. That's hilarious and I feel that same way.
I know Jesus loves me.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Yeah, I'm still trying to do my best out here,
and you know, you fail, you pick yourself up. But
it just proves to people that you have everybody has
the ability to get redemption. Whatever time you have left,
there's enough time to do what you were meant to do.
Some people don't have a long time and they got
to do it quick. Some people have a long time
and they do it a lot, or they do it,

(52:09):
but you got to do We're here for something, and uh,
I don't think it's up to us to question, well,
why just be happy with it? I mean, you know,
you have to have some opportunities, but that goes I
think with having some faith that Jesus Christ was a
real person who gave his life intentionally as the embodiment

(52:31):
of God and took away all of that burden from
us so that we can, you know, cool out absolutely
life a little bit, you know, yeah, you know, but
you have to be humble enough to realize that.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I've seen a few interviews with doctor Weck, not as
many as I should have, but in the few I've seen,
he seemed like a guy who just got it. And
I'm assuming you knew him obviously very well, that he
understood that these uh, all of these quote quote conspiracies
are all connected to a greater ideology, a greater war,

(53:05):
not just the physical entity here.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, well, I asked him.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
I actually we had just done our second JFK podcast
together and we were working on an actual case together,
and then I always had him on my calendar to
do the Robert F. Kennedy assassination, which is just as
obvious as JFK that it wasn't a lone gunman, except
it gets a little weirder because now we're getting to

(53:29):
the MK ultra.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
That's right, Sir Han, Sir Hann had no idea where
he was the two weeks part.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Of no idea, And we all know that Caesar uh
we actually was the security guard to kill them.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
That day with that nine millimeter to the back of
the head.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Uh he you know, the job he had before he
had that job at the hotel.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Let me guess he had what was he in the
military or was he like a janitor at the CIA?

Speaker 4 (53:57):
He was a high level secure prey professional for Lockheed Martin.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Oh part of the military industrial complex, got it Aerial division.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Hmm, yeah, that's interesting. I did not. I I'm not
sure every.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, they're all connected.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Did you know that the building the book depository, brvy
Oswald just magically got a job six weeks before the
assassination stacking books for ten cents.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
An hour when uh, he thought he was gonna work
be working for NASA.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah, he was robbing elbows with Ted Chrus's father.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Yeah, he thought he was gonna be He thought he
was gonna work for NASA. Yeah, he was in spired.
He was a living over Russia, big money in Russia.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
I set him up so badly, imration.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
And then he's good after doing all that, speaking languages,
being all over the world.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
As like I try.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
You know, a spy trainee, you know, basically high level stuff,
ground level, enforcer level whatever, operational manager kind of guy.
He was being managed by other people for other means.
And you know, the person that owned the book depository
was the brother of Admiral Richard Bird. No kidding, yeah,

(55:13):
no mistake that he went with Admiral Bird to Antarctica.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
I'm preaching the job now. If John F.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Kennedy would have survived that day, you're where that parade
edited the Dallas Trademark where he was meeting doctor Lloyd Berkner,
physicist involved in making the hydrogen bomb, not the atomic bomb,
who as a young man went with Richard Byrd to Antarctica.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
You know, I've always been of the mindset that when
they went on Antarctica, so what a lot of people
don't know. I need to backtrack a half a seconds.
So many people who don't know that in the late twenties,
during Walmart Germany went, when Germany went completely bankrupt, they sent,
according to the stories, they sent their naval fleet down

(56:12):
to Antarctica to hunt whales for their.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Butter, their margarine or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
And I'm of the I truly believe that they found
some I don't know if it's technology. I mean, you can,
I'll let the listener expound to what something they found,
but it just so happened.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
There are many stories on what they've found, and I
think what they did find.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
I think science will support that.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Is, they found a place for the submarines to go
beneath the ice and come up in a pocket air
that had temporal climate with wildlife and vegetation and warmth.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yes, basically other life possibly that we don't know of.
And I tend to agree, I think the whole story. Yeah,
I think the story that Admiral Berg gave was just
a deflection just to to get people to believe, or
even his son wrote it and sold it, because that
story came out after you know how they took control.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Of my you know plane and all this other.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
St It looks like a believable log for the win.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Yeah, but it's so spectacular, it is it almost feels
sacrilegious to believe it's true because it's it's magical and godly.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Yeah, that is.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
That's it's almost it's what your imagination would think is
meeting a god.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
And whether it's or not, I don't know, but it
certainly makes me feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, and it And again my point was Germany went
from from ranks to riches in five years or whatever
it was, and all of a sudden, you know where,
and everybody in the world's coming after him. And then
you see there's pictures of the nineteen thirty five Oh
Germany had Skype in nineteen thirty five, they had this,
they had that, and of course the Bell you know,
that flying ship they had and it's like, hmm, what

(57:59):
And then maybe they patent all this technology well ahead
of time, and they put their players in place, like
Jeff Bezos, you're going to be the Amazon guy, You're
going to be the Facebook guy. And I think they
have this technology years in place, and when they roll
it out, they control who it is and it's their people,
the company folks in place at the head of these
organizations that will just crush any small business that would

(58:20):
go against it.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
Well, you know the kid recently in Argentina, he was
making the first solo round trip under twenty one.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
He was eighteen years old or sixteen or something. Oh yeah,
I saw that and he made it.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
She tricked them and he wanted to go to Antarctica
and he did. They held him in jail, the Argentina
and Navy held him. He made it though to the
ice wall, landed and somewhere, but he got onto Antarctica.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
They held him in jail. For like two weeks.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
And you know what's funny.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
We hate Russia, Russia hate Ukraine Ukraine, and everybody hates everybody,
but except for Antarctica, we can all agree on peace.
The Antarctic Treaty of nineteen eight.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I know, it's really a spectacular. Wait, where's that coincidence?
Jar ed George.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I've got my backup mixer here today because the other
ones broke.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
We uh you know, oh, I thought it was an
actual coin, George, because you know, for a while, I
actually I homaged you on a few of my episodes.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I did this episode called how the Nerds Are Gonna
Kill Us.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
And it was all, you know, kind of just taking
different things that like, you know, self driving airplanes. You know,
this was I did this years ago before all the
self driving AI stuff.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
You know, DARPA was developing.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
A AI battle robot at thirty five's like fifteen years
ago on the record testifying in some appropriations committee for
the Department of Energy about admitting they don't need the
University of Alaska station anymore because they've reached their goal

(01:00:00):
of controlling the atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
You know, like, yeah, we figured it out. You can
have it back now. Like we're moving on other things,
like robots that can kill you from the sky.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Yeah, isn't that funny that that that clip of LBJ
LBJ again, uh saying, he who controls the weather controls
the world. And look how far even my mom, who is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
I better not her age I'll get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
But she texted me a couple of weeks ago, or
maybe even a week ago, I think they're controlling the weather.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
People have thought I was nuts because of my obsession
with keem trails.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
What being a kid from Cleveland, Ohio, where we call
it the ashtray gray Skies of Cleveland, Ohio, the home
of rock and roll, where you get sut about three
months out of the year, and you know, uh it's
it's and for this those three months to have keem
trails on a blue, scudy sunny day, so Crisp and
her tries to look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
You just can't help them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Go out there and play baseball or something, to do
something amazing with your life when it's eighty degrees in
a crispy sky, or even fifty degrees in a krispy,
clean sky, pollute it with those damn coem trails, and
I think that the jigs finally up. I know Florida
has banned it, the other states have banned it. I
wish Ohio would ban it. But we've got terrible political

(01:01:22):
representation here. Our last hope was George was a Dennis Kasidics,
the only real politician left that's not ever going to
be got elected again because of jerry mandering.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Uh, you know, uh, you know, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
And then that's the other thing. I gotta thank you
for George. You remind me to come back to and
beh a good person. And then the second thing is
voting in participation in the system is a waste of time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Excuse that's right, it is, it is. It is participation
and saying what's the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Word I'm looking for?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
You're you're you're saying that they yeah, I consent, and
that's exactly right. Yeah, and I'm so glad that And
you know what, though, it's interesting, there's still a lot
of people and you can tell when when you see
their eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
They're like, are you a Trump supporter?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
And I'll say no, and then they automatically say.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
How could you like Biden?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Or how could you I'm like, you have to understand
there's more than A and B. And that's the hardest time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
They never voted.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
This past year was the first time I deliberately did
not vote. Yeah, I got a lot of you at
the time of election day, but I could have early voted.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
But it was so funny the reaction because I really
don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
I've got black built on politics, so I was like, yeah,
I don't care. I mean, I knew Biden was awful
and a robot, but I Trump was a fucking ogre.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Yeah whatever, Well, nineteen ninety when the roth Child's bailed
him out, that he's been hit their puppets since and
you it's like, ww you got to have your good
guy and your bad guy, and they have to rotate
them out to make you think that you have a
fair assist.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
So I think the next they're gonna try to bring
on AOC.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
She's young and cute and she's gonna be like, come on, folks,
we can do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
And RFK.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
I think the jig is up on him, Junior. I
had hope for him, but not anymore, you know. Uh
So it's like, you know, just don't take away my baseball.
I know football is rigged. I know they got.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
I know they got magnets in the ball in the NBA.
Just don't take away my baseball. It's all I got
left of the Roman Coliseum to go see.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Are you a Guardian's or? And I hate saying that,
are you?

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Are?

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
You are? I was a Cleveland Indians fan. I mean,
I got chief wild all over the place here. Although
I apologize, I know it was insensitive. I think it
was well spirited in the beginning. And now we're called
the Cleveland Gardians yea, uh you know, yeah, No, my
Cleveland baseball team is passionate. I was baseball player for
a long time. My son played a little cup of
tea for pro baseball, played baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Baseball has been a big part of our life because
it teaches people how to be part of a team.
You know. That was like my version of military.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
I didn't serve, So I apologize, but I thank you
for your service and all the people like you, guys
that have given their lives. And I don't diminish it whatsoever,
but it learns to teach you how to be part
of a team, right like, and I think baseball teaches you,
especially as much as we played and coached it and
taught it and travel with it. Tell us how to
be a team and how that no one person is

(01:04:23):
more important than the other. And I think that is
same thing in business. You know, my people are just
as important as I am, and running it in baseball,
the guy at bats first is just as important as
the guy that bats second.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Or is that is this pinch runner in the in
the bottom of the eleven, you know you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Get twenty seven ounce.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Right, Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
So you know, people got to do their job and
that's how you can win, at least whatever game it
is you choose to play.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Amen, And it's it's black as a night outside, So
I want to wrap this up before I get wiped out.
As I mentioned before, this has been awesome. I'd love
to have you back again, and I'd love to come
on yours down down the road as well to have
a conversation. This has been a lot of fun. Was
there anything that we haven't really touched on that you
wanted dimension or anything else you wanted to throw out

(01:05:11):
there before we said goodbye for now?

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Well, I hate to do a shameless plug, but there
is one thing that's near and dear to my heart,
that project I'm working on and I'm almost I've got
sixteen chapters of I'm writing a book.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Oh nice.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
It's called A Leg to Stand On, and it's my
biography of not only my career but kind of as
it led up to my representation of Oscar Pistorius and
his murder trial that I worked in South Africa. And
it's been ten years, he's now out of jail, and

(01:05:46):
it was a very controversial case, but it was the
biggest case of my career. And it's been ten years
and I write a book on it, and it's going.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
To be coming that soon.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Here's the thing, George, I'm going to try to probably
self publish it for free because I'm not a chance
in the heck of getting a meeting with a publisher.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
I see some books behind you there, and it's so,
you know, funny.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Uh, The book publishing companies are more secretly gate kept
YEP in almost any other industry.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
It's like the music industry. There is so much great
music out there, but you'll never hear it because they
they control what gets out there, yeah, one hundred percent.
And it's same with the books.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Some some of the music over the last ten years
have been nonsense, and I think it goes back to mockery.
We're going to push this to the moon and the
kids are gonna love it, and it's it's mockery.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
It's usually not mockery, it's demonic.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Well that too, yeah, and even but.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
How the nerds are gonna kill us? Is a favorite
movie star? Is a demon, a rock star or a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Pim amen brother? And where's your book going to be?

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Do you have a website or how can people follow up?

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
My website is Evidence dash Room dot that that's my
business website for Evidence Room. And then I also have
my podcast and my YouTube channel and my Twitter and
my TikTok is Crime scened time Machine. I put a
lot of my entertainment stuff out on Crime Scene time Machine. Obviously,

(01:07:17):
the Evidence Room is my professional capacity. The Crime Scene
time Machine is where you know, we're just talking here
having a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Uh, let me know when you actually have it ready
to go on a link for it because I can
always upload it later in the show notes, So even
somebody listening two years from now can can follow up
and find your book.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I'm in the middle of writing. I keep starting a
book and it's going back to discipline like that is
the pinnacle of discipline is a book, putting it in
a proper order, going back and editing, and then when
you edit you realize, well, this affects chapter seven, and
you got to go to chapter seven.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
It's a hot mess.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Man, I've been writing this for five years. God black
one and one pages. Wow, that's but those a's tight
you one hundred and one?

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Yeah, you know, But I don't know how these people
break five hundred page books.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Like our Frank Gary Wayne last year he wrote eight
hundred and fifty pages on like two verses of the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
That's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
But it's fun to go through it because it's kind
of it really is a different experience writing than talking.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yes, and the see is you don't write the way
you talk.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
It's a different experience to put things on paper than
how you would say it with a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Microphone in your face, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
So that's been I think the biggest challenge is putting
it in a format that's readable.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Amen, well well done, and again thanks for your time today.
And I'd love to do this again in the future
for sure, so much to talk about and you can
barely scrape the surface in an hour podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Well, everybody out there in the fact Tony, you got
a friend in me because I'm always trying to keep
my head on a swivel.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Baby, God bless your brother.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Thanks for that plug, uh, and thank you all for
the listeners for your continued sport. The email address is
the Fact Hunter at mail dot com. For Scott Rotor,
I'm George Hobbs. God bless you, and like Scott said,
keep your head on a swivel. And until we meet again,
my friends, we will see you.

Speaker 8 (01:09:23):
I know it's been a struggle.

Speaker 9 (01:09:27):
I don't know if you've had some pain. I know
you feeling tied. Tell down all the way. Yeah, I
know you feeling you smile, paint the same, I s

(01:09:47):
win go for you.

Speaker 10 (01:09:51):
She like you've lost your way. Don't give it. No,
don't give it neverless hold, don't let all the primise.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
It ain't done yet.

Speaker 9 (01:10:06):
He's got a plan.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Why it's a way.

Speaker 10 (01:10:09):
Time got up?

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
May we come?

Speaker 10 (01:10:16):
Why right?

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
God up?

Speaker 8 (01:10:19):
Record, I can see the straight beside you. Child's are
putting up five. Oh, you're stronger than any thing you are. Yeah,
you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead found beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
You're shoving ride Yeah, you're living, breathing, move, you can
hold your head a pie.

Speaker 10 (01:11:00):
Don't give up, No, don't give in, Never loose home.
Don't let go on the primies. It ain't Donet's God
lay Why it's a waintail? The God of mimy Come,
don't give up.

Speaker 9 (01:11:17):
No, don't give in, never lose home, don't let go
on the primies.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
It ain't gon life.

Speaker 10 (01:11:26):
It's worth living. Why's a paintail?

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
The god baby colt?

Speaker 10 (01:11:36):
Why sur pray do? God steamy Colt?

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:11:42):
Yes, what's a pray down? The God baby come? Oh yeah,
the god tam call.

Speaker 6 (01:11:58):
Oh, don't give up, no, don't give in. Never this
hol do they goal of the primise me and done
as God.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Of planning, watch and we die, God of.

Speaker 9 (01:12:19):
Even cous don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Give up, No, dog give in, never the.

Speaker 8 (01:12:25):
Hole, don't let go of the primis.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
It ain't done?

Speaker 8 (01:12:29):
Lovers?

Speaker 10 (01:12:30):
What living?

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
What's the God of y coors Ah, the God of
need gos Wat's done, the God of gas.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
You are listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Just the facts, Mammy