Episode 363: Prelude To 9/11

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The following presentation Isadel Marvis Studio's production. You're listening to
the fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is your host, George Hobbs.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
for another edition of the fact Hunder podcast. Four year Thursday,
September fourth, twenty twenty five. I'm your host, as always,
George Hobbs. I hope you all had a fantastic end
of the summer. We certainly did a little traveling, spending

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time with the family, and again, I hope you all
had a great end of your summer. You were able
to pull your head out of the rabbit hole, get
some fresh air and some high quality vitamin D. Labor
Day has since passed and we're entering the fall, and
you know, we're coming up on the twenty fourth anniversary

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of one of the most evil acts you know, ever
perpetrated against not just our country, but mankind when you
really think about it, and there are still, you know,
probably eighty percent of the people that still think that
the official narrative is the truth. And if you questioned it,

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you're a kook, or even you're an American. You know,
there's no way a president would allow that to happen
to his people, and it's really hard to pick and
choose what individual topics to cover within the scope of

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the nine to eleven Conspiracy. You could, literally, I've said
this many times, you could have a weekly podcast just
called the nine to eleven Conspiracy. There's that much information,
there's that many people involved, so many aspects, the occult aspect,
the financial aspect, right, the bringing in of the New

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World Order. All of these conspiracies that has happened over
the last you know, several hundred years had to happen
in order for the next one to be carried out, right.
I don't think they could have gotten away with COVID
unless the Patriot Act was in place. So there's a

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reason for all these things, and you know, it saddens
me that again, here we are a week from today
will be the twenty fourth anniversary, and we're no closer
to prosecuting those truly involved and likely never to happen,
although you know these people will receive judgment one day.

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There are a lot of truth seekers who only see
the worldly aspects of things like this, whether it's COVID
or nine to eleven. But obviously we're focused solely on
nine to eleven. But there's so much of a spiritual
and a cult aspect. And remember, if Satan can deceive

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thirty three, you know, one third of the angels in heaven,
imagine how he can deceive us. And that's how difficult
it is to wake our fellow brothers and sisters up.
As I closed my other podcast, The Flatter Files last week,

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I played that clip from They Live in my closing segment.
It's had a multipurpose to it. Number One, Once you
see how the world truly is, there's no going back.
You can pretend to hide it, but there's no going back.

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And the other thing is how difficult, how frustrating it
can be to wake up your fellow man. They say
things like why would they do that? Why does it matter?
I still have to get up and go to work
in the morning. Well, twenty four percent of you getting
up and going to work goes to these people who
are causing most of the evil in this world. We're

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working on a podcast that I think it's pegged for
the end of September. You know, the true reason behind
war and things like nine to eleven. Okay, these people
at the top of the food chain they worship evil
deities Moloch. These gods they worship demand sacrifice, so they fabricate,

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you know, these issues against each other. Then they declare
warn each other, and the bankers sit back. They find
both sides and brother kills brother upwards in the millions,

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and you know, things are aligning where that third and
final volley could happen in the near future. I don't know,
but I just saw Trump calling for more tariffs against China,
Ukraine and Russia are ramping up. You won't really hear

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it in the news, but I urge you to follow
Patrick Lancaster on YouTube to get true reporting on the ground,
reporting to find out what's going on there. But you know,
we must continue to wake up our fellow brother and
sister at the same time remembering that it is much
more than just what's going on in the world. This

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is spiritual warfare. And in a minute we're going to
talk about the occult symbolism of nine to eleven. But
before we get into that, I wanted to read the
great James Corbett, who we had on the podcast about
a year and a half ago, I believe, and his

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little the thing he created, you know, tongue in Chek
entitled nine to eleven a Conspiracy Theory, And again this
is written by James Corbett and as always will have
this link in the show notes. And this is everything
you ever wanted to know about the nine to eleven
conspiracy theory in under five minutes. And this part is

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the conspiracy theory on the morning of September eleventh, two
thousand and one. Nineteen men, it's always nineteen. That's your
that's your first sign and symbol that it was controlled
COVID nineteen. I urge you, guys to go to archive
dot org and look up the book Letters and Numbers

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by Zach Hubbard. It's free, and if you can't find
it there, just drop me an email the fact Hunter
at mail dot com. I'll drop the PDF in the file.
But nineteen men armed with box cutters, directed by a
man on dialysis in a cave halfway around the world,

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using a satellite phone and a laptop, directed the most
sophisticated penetration of the most heavily defended airspace in the world,
overpowering the passengers and the military combat trained pilots on
four commercial aircraft, before flying those planes wildly off course

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for over an hour without being touched by a single
fighter interceptor. Now, remember these nineteen hijackers. There's these devout
religious fundamentalists who loved to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and

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party with strippers, managed to knock down three buildings with
two planes in New York while a what pardon me?
While in Washington, a pilot who couldn't even handle a
single engine Sesna was able to fly a seven to
fifty seven in an eight thousand foot descending two hundred

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and seventy degree quirkscrew turned to come exactly level with
the ground and of course hitting the Pentagon in the
Budget Analyst office, where just the day before, DoD staffers
were working on the mystery of where did the missing

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two point three trillion dollars go? That again, on September tenth,
two thousand and one, Defense Secretary Mary Donald Rumsfeld, who
was a signatory on the p NEC document which we'll
get to, had announced missing from the Pentagon's coffers in
a press conference. But luckily, again this is the greatest

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crime against America outside of Pearl Harbor, right. But within
minutes the news pundits, the administration and somehow all this
evidence just literally fell into the FBI's lap. But for

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some reason, a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an
investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.
Now we know that the investigation was delayed, it was underfunded,
it was set up to fail, a lah JFK, a
conflict of interest, and a cover up from start to finish.

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It was based on testimony that was extracted through torture.
And if you haven't read the stories on the torture,
I mean you would have admitted to the crimes of
nine to eleven, not to mention all the records that

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were destroyed. Of course, it failed to mention the existence
of World Trade Center Building seven, able danger p Tech
Cybel Edmunds Osama bin Laden and the CIA. Remember he
was formerly known as Colonel Tim Osman on the payroll
of the CIA. And of course there were the simultaneous

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drills of the hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that
were being simulated at the exact same time that these
events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon,
the CIA, the Bush administration, and as for Bush and Cheney, well,

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no one knows what they told it because they testified
in secret, off the record, and I have said a
million times, if you were truly in power, you are
to be held to a higher standard. They always use
the excuse of security. It's a lie. If we don't

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have transparency, we don't have freedom. They weren't under oath
and they were behind closed doors. It didn't bother to
look at who funded the attacks, because that question is
of quote little practical significance. Still, the nine to eleven
Commission did brilliantly answering all of the question the public had,

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except most of the victims' family members questions, and Pinblane
on all the people responsible, although not one single person
lost their job over it, determining the attacks were a
failure of imagination because I don't think anyone could envision
flying airplanes into buildings except the Pentagon, FEMA, NORAD and

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RO and the people who built the World Trade Center buildings,
because why they were built to withstand a plane crashing
into them. The DEIA destroyed two and a half terabytes
of data on able danger, but that's okay, that wasn't important.

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And you know, the SEC destroyed their records on the
investigation into the Insider trading and the put options, which
we'll talk about here shortly. But that's okay too, because
destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history,
it's just part of routine record keeping, right. The NIST

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had classified the data that they use for their model
of World Trade Center seven's collapse, but that's okay because
knowing how they made their model of that collapse would
jeopardize public safety. The excuses these people come up with.
By the way, the FBI argued that all material related

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to their investigation of nine to eleven should be kept
secret from the public. But that's okay because the FBI
probably has nothing to hide. They have a perfect track record.
It's not like they would ever burn people in a
building in Waco, Texas or anything. You know, this man
never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy

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of your attention, And if you say otherwise, you're a
paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all
of humanity. Osama bin Laden lived in a cave fortress
in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away, right,
And if you remember Bill Cooper's June twenty eighth, two

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thousand and one broadcast the greatest military in the world
couldn't find Osama bin Laden, but CNN could. That simply
doesn't pass the sniff test. You either get it or
you don't. Right there, full stop, right. And then he

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was hiding out in Tora Bora, but somehow got away again.
Then he lived in Abadabad for years, taunting the most
comprehensive intelligence dragnet, employing the most sophisticated technology in the
history of the world for ten years, right, and he
would release video after video with complete impunity. Oh and

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by the way, if you didn't notice, he was get
younger and younger as he did so before finally being
found in a daring Seal team raid which wasn't recorded
on video, in which he didn't resist or used his
wife as a human shield. And in these crack special
Forces operatives panicked and killed an unarmed man supposedly the

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best source of intelligence in the world, and then they
dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it.
And then, oh, yeah, that's right, A couple of dozen
of those team's members died in a helicopter crash in

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Afghanistan shortly thereafter. This is this true story of nine
to eleven brought to you by the media which told
you the hard truths about JFK, the incubator babies in Iraq,
and the mobile production facilities, and of course the rescue
of Jessica Lynch. If you have any questions about this story,

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you're a paranoid, tinfoil dog abusing baby heater and will
be reviled by everyone. If you love your country and
or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple Pie,
and your Grandma, you will never express doubts about any
part of this story to anyone ever. This has been

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a public service announcement by the friends of the FBI,
the CIA, NSA, da SEC, mainstream media, the White House,
and the nine to eleven Commission, because ignorance is strength.
And again that was from the brilliant James Corbett, which
you can find at Corbettreport dot com and as always

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we will include that link in the show notes for
you to peruse, and there is a video version as
well on there. Before we get to some of the
other things that led up to nine to eleven, and
those who profited wanted to talk about again this spiritual

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occult symbolism that was involved with nine to eleven. Right,
especially when you talk about the two pillars motif between
Boaz and yuckin you know that the twin towers represented
this masonic polarity is what it really is. And you

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look at scripture and Solomon's temple had two great bronze
pillars standing at the porch yah Quin, which means he establishes,
and on the right Boaz in his arm. In him
is strength, I should say, on the left. And if
you look at first King seven, you'll see the translations
noting the meanings of the name. Even the Great Book

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of Jeremiah records their measurements and orn the capitals, the network,
the rows of pomegranates, et cetera. So you look across
the centuries and all that's in Bible gateway, by the way,
across the centuries, those pillars became this working symbol in
Western esotericism, and of course freemasonry. Freemasonry seems to be

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in the middle of most of these conspiracies. These are
gate posts that you pass between. Right, this is a
picture of duality held intention. Right, you have strength and establishment.
You have darkness and light, which, by the way, is

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often taught with the checkerboard mosaic pavement in these Freemason buildings, right,
the black and white, which is the mixed field of
good and the evil and human life. Even the Masonic
Body's describe these columns and the lodge floor as emblems

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of balance, stability, and the interplay of opposites. That's why
this whole transgender push is rooted. They're behind it, these
evil people, right. And the Bible speaks that there will
be a time when evil will be looked at as good,
and good will be looked at as evil. And in

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this day and age, if you publicly shun a transgender, oh,
you're a homophobic. You're this, You're that, you're evil? How
dare you? And they try to play that Jesus loved
everyone card, Well, you're correct. Jesus does love everyone, but
you know what, he doesn't love. He doesn't love your sin.
And God doesn't make mistakes. And the Bible says, if

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you're a man, you shouldn't be wearing women's clothes. Don't holler, George,
read the Bible for yourself. So let's take a look
again at the twin towers. You have these two monolists, right,
a man made gait right, just as we have the
arch in Saint Louis the gateway to the West. Right,

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esoteric writers seized on the resonance, reading them as a
modern day Boas and yaqin these pillars of commerce and empire,
and in that literature, two pillars signal a threshold, an
initiation gate. And they love these secret societies, love their initiations.

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To bring them down is to perform an act of
anti temple magic, unbalancing the polarity, collapsing the threshold, and
ushering in order out of chaos. Ordo ab kao. And
you've heard that before, if you've been in the truth

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community for more than a minute, And this motto is
openly associated with high degree Scottish Rite masonry. Now, the
mainstream historians don't treat nine to eleven this way. You're
not going to find anything about this in your history books.
Oh you're also not going to find the truth about Waco,

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Oklahoma City. You're not going to find anything about the
US liberty, the USS liberty in your high school textbooks either. Right,
but within the occult commentary, that is precisely the frame.
So even within you know the occult, they like their

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tarot cards and on the tarot card is one of them,
I should say, is a high priestess. It's described as
her sitting between a white pillar and a black pillar
marked B and J okay, and that is four obviously

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Yaquin and Boaz, with the veil of the temple behind
her embroidered with pomegranates. On her breast is a solar cross,
and the image, of course is explicit. So it's opposites
held in one body, duality bridged by a veil of

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hidden law. That's the textbook symbol of uniting and balancing
contraries at the gate to the sanctuary. So from our
Christian lens, that's a very stark contrast. In the Biblical story,

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the veil that truly unites heaven and Earth is torn
from top to bottom at the death of Christ Matthew
twenty seven. Right, God's opening is by race, not by nasis,
not by ritual, not by works. The Temple's veil is
split by the Lord. Right, This esoteric program tries to

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stitch a different veil to balance the cosmos by human technique.
So it's true that when these worldly things happen, they're
not simply to hedge power. It's not just to make

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more money, because if you're printing the money, you have
it now. Obviously, with Blackrock and Vanguard, their job is
to consolidate corporate world. So all of the entities that
we shop at, or the realtors or the banks, they
all followed the same rules. And that's what's going on

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with Black Rock and Vanguard. And if we had a
truly responsible government, they would be broken up. But when
you realize that the country is ran by these oligarchs,
then you know it's to say it's an uphill battle
is the understatement of the century. But again, when we

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describe nine to eleven as spiritual warfare, what I'm trying
to say, it's it's beyond geopolitics, it's beyond policy. You
know these two pillars right in scripture, names that confess
God's power to establish and strengthen. So this is this

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occult magic imagination that you have to come across by
secret knowledge. And again the checkerboard on the floor says
the world is forever caught between black and white. But
we know the Gospel says the light has come and

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that the darkness cannot overcome it. It can try. And again,
all Satan can do is to see if he's very
good at it. He was able to convince one third
of the angels, who are much smarter than us, that
he would be victorious. Right, so they told us it

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was just stealing concrete economics and foreign policy. But the
skyline really preached a different sermon. You had two pillars,
a gate and a veil, and the temple of God. Yeah,
Kin and Boaz stood before the porch's witnesses that he capital,
h establishes and he strengthens. And the prophets counted their pomegranates.

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The scriptures named them and fix them. And the occult
script takes those same pillars and says, this is the
gate of opposites, passed through by secret wisdom. Bind the
world by balancing black and white. And on nine to eleven,
two thousand and one, those modern pillars fell, and the

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message they put across was Ordo ab chao, order out
of chaos, order from ruins, a new architecture of control.
But we have to refuse their liturgy. Okay, our gait

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is not man made towers, but through God, through Jesus's blood,
And that's what we must remember. So understand that all
of these things that go on in the world have

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a deeper just don't always search for the surface context.
Dig deeper and you'll see that ninety nine times out
of one hundred, these all point to the same people. Now,
we are gonna talk about a few things today. I'm
trying to leave some stuff for next week, so I'm

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trying to be careful on what I put out today.
I think the appropriate thing would be first, let's talk about, Yes,
the monetary part of it. This is part one. And again,
we can't always assume that everyone here has heard these
things before. There are people new to the truth community
every day, so for some of you this is a

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little repetitive. For some of you, this may be the
first time you're hearing this. On September tenth, two thousand
and one, Donald Rumsfeld, once again one of the signators
on p NECK, announced that the cop trollers for the
Pentagon could not account for two point three trillion dollars
and don't believe George Jobs. This aired on c SPAN

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on the afternoon of September tenth, two thousand and one.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
But governments can't die, so we need to find other
incentives for bureaucracy to adapt and improve. The technology revolution
has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours,
not fully.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Not yet.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
We are, as they say, tangled in our anchorchain. Our
financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we
cannot track two point three trillion dollars in transactions. We
cannot share information from floor to floor in this building
because it's stored on dozens of different technological systems that

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are inaccessible or incompatible.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
There you go from the horse's mouth, and of course
what part of the building was hit, what part of
the pentagon was hit? The accounting department. But because the
put options happened before nine to eleven, I think that
falls into today's category prelude to nine to eleven. So

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we're gonna briefly talk about the sourced rundown of the
nine to eleven put options story and what the profit
signals were and who actually benefited. Now here's the catch,
and once again this should infuriate every person. The number
of put options the week prior to nine to eleven

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were higher than any other put options on record towards airlines.
It wasn't even close. The following day, September twelfth, two
thousand and one, the SEC caught on and started asking questions. However,
they decided to to redect the individual or corporation who

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benefited financially. So let's talk about the puts. United Airline puts. Okay,
And what a put is is you bet on a
stock if it is going to increase or decrease. Okay,
Now listen to this. This is September six, two thousand
and one, which would have been obviously the week prior

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to nine to eleven ual that is their stock. Right,
United Airlines put volume spiked to two thousand and seventy
five contracts. The SEC later traced two thousand of those

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two thousand and seventy five, that is, ninety six percent
of the day's put volume, on one US based investment advisor.
After interviews and account reviews, the SEC said the trade

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was part of a broader sector wide Barish strategy on airlines. Right,
they were saying, oh it's short sales and other airline names,
and they were citing weak fundamentals and downticks and travel data.
It had nothing to do with fore knowledge of nine
to eleven. And then again, if you try to research
who that investment advisor was, oh it's it's it's it's

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it's unredacted or it's redacted. I should say, I'm looking
at the website. This is on unredacted dot com the
actual story. Then you have the American Airlines put September tenth,
the day before the same day, Donald Rumsfeld said we
can't find two point three trillion dollars American Airlines volume.

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There put volume pardon me, jumped to twenty two hundred
and eighty two contracts. Again, the SEC investigators interviewed purchasers
and found that the surge was largely triggered by a
widely circulated options hotline tip recommending that American Airlines thirty

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dollars puts sent September ninth to two thousand subscribers, and
twenty six of twenty eight interviewed buyers cited the newsletters.
So they're trying to say that there was a new
newsletter that was out, Oh, it's recommended this in that, okay.
And then you have the insurers. The financials regulators also
reviewed trading in names likely to be hit by losses.

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You had the Munich Ray, the Swiss Ray Alliance, AIG
City Group, Marsh and McLennan. They saw bursts of activity
in some of these But again they just said all
of these patterns are just consistent with institutional hedging. Well,

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you know, some of these people benefited tremendously. That US
investment advisor who bought the two thousand United Airline puts
on September the sixth and the related airline shorts profited
hugely when the airline stocks plunged after the markets reopened.

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And of course the SEC we didn't find any link
to any advanced knowledge. Well, the government's investigating people who
pay the government, right, hey, Jim, Yeah, some airlines airliners

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released the story goes are going to hit the World
Trade Center tower tomorrow. Airline stock is going to plunge.
Why don't you buy a couple thousand puts and you
give me ten percent of the action. You give me
twenty percent of the action, a huge amount of money.

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And then dozens of retail and professional traders who acted
on the options hotline benefited as well. The institutional hedgers
and insurance and financial names and some brokers they profited
from their positions. But again they play the h But

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there was nine and a half million transactions across one
hundred and three companies in a five day spent and
that's five days, not five business days. That would have
been what that Wednesday through Monday morning, because not eleven

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was a Tuesday. If I recall correctly, you look at
I don't know this, gentleman, but this is what we
found on jstor dot com. Alan Potishman wrote an article
back in two thousand and six Journal of Business found
that certain put buying indicators were to say, unusually high

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would be laughable of nine to eleven. And there's a
lot of There's not a whole lot of books out there,
but there are a lot of papers online. So again
these were unusual. People made a lot of money. And

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when you bet for someone to fail, I would assume
that there would have to be some type of inside knowledge, right.
You know, we try to look transparently in the conspiracy world,
we you know, that's the thing. Most things are scripted.

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None of these things. You know, ninety nine percent of
the news is scripted. You're one percent. Your local news
may be organic. The music industry, it's scripted. They pick
and choose who's going to be part of the club.
If you're a fan of independent music, I'm sure you've
heard groups that are way better than the trash that
is on the radio today. And it's been that way

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for a long time. They tell you this is what's good,
and you buy it. Yeah, that's good. And movies's psychological
propaganda to reinforce things when they happen, you accept them.
You were told that nineteen hijacks from the Middle East

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with box cutters, you know, just drove a steak through
the heart of the most powerful nation in the world.
Are we really buying this? And then going back to
the occult side of it to play the audio, but

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remember when Bush was in the elementary school in Florida
and those children were chanting from the book The Pet Goat, which, oh,
by the way, was written by Siegfried Engelman. Yeah, he's

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part of the club. He is part of the club.
And you know, as the planes or drones or no plan,
whatever your theory is, you know, as these explosives, for
sure are going off, you know, they're chanting with this

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skull and bones member. You know, I've watched that video
probably fifty times. And as that Secret Service guy leans
over the kids are the children I hate to use
that term, kid. The children are chanting about a goat
that's why I don't talk about kid, and if you

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know the occult significance of the goat, And the gentleman
leans over and says, you know, mister Bush, World Trade
Center has been hit by an airplane. It's obvious he knows,
and he's like, wow, this is really happening. You know,
my father and my grandfather, they must be so proud

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of me. We are ushering in the new world order,
just as my father had eleven years ago.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves
and for future generations, a new world order, a world
where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle,
governs the conduct of nations. When we are sixes fool
and we will be, we have a real chance at

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this new world order, an order in which accredible United
Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise
and vision of the UN's founders.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
So here's this guy just championing the United Nations all
of these evil entities that we loathe as truth seekers.
Yet well, we're Republicans, so we have to cheer what
he's saying. We're excited, and that's how you have to
break the matrix. Step one of breaking the matrix is

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understanding that the right and the left are all part
of the same club. You know, Trump and Obama, same
evil persons, Biden Bush, They're all part of the club.

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And you know, eleven years later after that speech you
just heard, you know, he must have been so proud
here I am, George W. Bush, knowing that you know,
close to three thousand human lives were about to be sacrificed,

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and just an unimaginable, horrific way. And we believe. And
when I say we, I'm saying that the not us.
If you're listening to this podcast, you're you know the deal.
But the American public as a whole believes that nineteen

(40:43):
Middle Eastern guys with box cutters, with box cutters overcame
and the airplanes, just airplanes which are made of aluminum,
destroyed the World Trade Center. It wasn't like the top

(41:05):
of the building just fell over. It fell at free
fall speed, straight down. These buildings were all you know,
you can argue, was it thermite? Was it?

Speaker 4 (41:23):
This?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Was it that? It was probably thermite. It wasn't a nuke.
It wasn't a nuke. It wasn't a nuke. It's probably thermite.
Explosives were put in that building and it was brought down. Well,
how do I know that? Because they tell you the
truth is in plain sight.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
World Trade Center seven had always been considered the starting
point for rebuilding. Located north of the slurry wall, seven
had been cleared faster than the rest of the site
and there had been no bodies to recover heelted by
debris when the north tower collapsed. Seven burned until late afternoon,

(42:10):
allowing occupants to evacuate to safety.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
Remember getting a call from the fight upon a commander
telling me that they were not sure they were going
to be able to contain the fire. I said, you know,
we've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest
thing to do us.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Is pull it.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
And they made that decision to pull, and then we
watched the building collapsing.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Breaking news. And I know a lot of folks out
there engineers or even combat engineers. Previously, you don't go
into a burning building and set it up for demo.
It's done days, weeks, months in advance. It's just amazing

(43:01):
how people buy this, just absolute load of garbage. And
it's been almost a week from to day. It'll be
twenty four years since the world changed forever, right, and
then twenty nineteen years later, there's your nineteen, Right, from
twenty and one to twenty twenty is nineteen. And there's

(43:28):
so many entities involved, the CFR, right, the Council and
Foreign Relations. We've done several podcasts on them. P Neck,
the Project for a New American Century, the Saudi financing.
You know, you just heard about Rumsfeld's two point three
trillion dollars accounting problem. Paul Wolfowitz, who doesn't get talked
about enough. Was it six billion dollars in American cash

(43:53):
went missing in Iraq in the first year he was
running things Team Chertoff Silverstein. It's just amazing to me.
But you really have to start with the CFR and

(44:15):
the rise of the neocons, right. And I know we've
talked about the Council of Foreign Relations many times as
centurial policy forum. And what they do is they gather
government officials, sometimes previous, sometimes going to be installed into
the cabinet soon, bankers for sure, that very very top

(44:36):
media figures and not necessarily those on TV, but those
like Rupert Murdoch, those who run the media conglomerates. Oh,
Fox News is fair and balanced. No, it's not. All
of these academia And what they do is they debate
on what US foreign policy should look like. Now there's
two options. They can play the long game, which they

(44:58):
played before where technology was really prevalent, so some of
these things that they had to set up took many,
many decades. But now with technology instant communications, they're able to,
you know, have these meetings and get things rolling much
faster they could than say eighteen fifteen, right when the

(45:22):
when the roth Child's made their money with Waterloo. Right,
But the neo cons really gained steam after Desert Storm.
They started advocating publicly for regime change. Obviously that letter
that Pinac wrote to Bill Clinton in I think ninety

(45:44):
eight demanding regime change in Iraq. Right. And here's the
thing that you have to think about as an American, Okay,
we treasure our freedom. We're supposed to have the freedom
to decide who runs our country, which is a joke.

(46:08):
Like Joe Smith, the plumber from Wisconsin versus you know,
Mike Jones, the guy who runs a contracting business in Texas,
never run for election. It's always people who are part
of the club. They say you can be on team
may or Team b You got to pick one. And

(46:30):
now you just hear people if you look at the
clown that trunk has turned into. It's just embarrassing when
you look back and say, man, I supported this clown
and people say, well, it could have been Kamala. It's
who they want to be. They wanted Biden there for
four years. They wanted to That was mockery. They mocked

(46:52):
us for four years. They said, look, we got eighty
one million votes. No, he didn't look Joe Biden said this.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
He did.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
He disappeared for weeks at a time. There were obvious
body doubles. I made a video about it years ago.
There was at least three different bidens. It's not debatable.
One had a droopy ear lobe and one had none
at all. But hey, what do people say? What are

(47:22):
you going to do? What are you going to do?
And when you have that thought process, you're really hosting
your your children and grandchildren. But ninety seven was again
when things ramped up with PNAC and that is the
project for a new American century right, And the most

(47:44):
quotable line from their letter was the process of transformation
is likely to be a long one absent some catastrophic
and catechizing, you know, a catalyzing event like a new
Pearl Harbor. So what they are saying is that there's

(48:05):
two routes we can take. We can play the long
route and you know, through lobbying trying to get more
of a budget, or we could have this catastrophic event
like Pearl Harbor. The people will band together and say,

(48:26):
do whatever it takes, just protect us. And I'm here
to tell you if you knew, truly knew, the fraud,
waste and abuse that went on from two thousand and
one to at least twenty ten, and I'm not saying
it never stopped, but the amount the contracts that were

(48:48):
given out, you got whatever you requested. It was sickening.
But you had some of the key personalities from the
people who wrote that document entered government just prior to
nine to eleven. You had Donald Rumsfeld. You had Paul

(49:10):
Wolfowitz the deputy Defense. You had Dick Cheney the vice president.
You had John Bolton, you had Dove Zach Kim, the
DoD comptroller. Zach Kim. Yeah. Oh, by the way, don't
forget a document that again doesn't get talked about enough.
What I mentioned. I think it's called the Iraq Liberation

(49:34):
Act of nineteen ninety eight. They demanded in nineteen ninety eight,
they put pen to paper and said, we want regime
change in Iraq. So now we are telling other countries
how their government is going to be run. Number One,

(49:57):
we don't even have the similar religious as they do
now in twenty twenty five, we got lots of Muslims
here in the United States. But you get what I'm saying.
We're forcing these things. And again, words have meaning, words
have meaning. Every time you say Operation Iraqi Freedom, you're

(50:20):
reinforcing in your brain that those people need to be freed,
that they were serfs prior to Saddam's departure and capture
and you know, eventually executed. And there's a very popular

(50:43):
YouTube video independent journalists that walked around Iraq several days
interviewing people and what do you think of saddamis saying
who was great? It was great. Remember, we're telling these
people we're going to save them, and we're dropping bombs

(51:03):
on them, We're driving tanks down their streets. We are
driving hum v's with fifty col weapons, with two forty
Charlie's two forty bravos. M four's pointed at their houses.
We get a call from the CIA. Hey, HVT is

(51:24):
at twenty two to oh one, mahaja streets. Right, you
get the call. Ramp up, George, you're detainee. You're on
the back end. Go in, kick in a door, two
o'clock in the morning, children screaming, nothing there. And when

(51:47):
you see, you know, a young child staring through your
eyes with hatred. Right, And people don't stop to think
of those things. If you dare stop and think and
question those things, you're a bleeding heart liberal piece of crap. No,
you've just never been in my shoes. You never put

(52:08):
yourself in their shoes. You never switched things around. And
that's the truth. That is the absolute truth. But let's
let's not put the cart before the horse. Let's talk
about a few of the mile markers. Let's talk about
nineteen ninety two. Right, Desert Storm's done. For whatever reason,
Bush stops, And obviously the reason is he knows nine

(52:31):
to eleven. That was just a precursor. He wanted his
little stamp in his presidency. I won a war, right,
That's all that was that he intentionally stopped two or
three more days, we could have had Aack Saddama all
of that, And that's the question everybody answered. They're like, hey,
we just ran through them, like the Philadelphia Eagles versus
a high school junior varsity team. Why are you stopping now?

(52:57):
We've attained everything we wanted to attain. No, it's because
he knew nine to eleven was happening in ten years,
but he wanted that little stamp of approval saying, you know,
I want to war as president. And then of course
the economy tanked and he lost the election. Nineteen ninety
two Draft Defense Planning Guidance sketched Unipolar Dominance Preventing Rivals.

(53:23):
Nineteen ninety seven PNAC forms Statement of Principles, signals a
harder edge to US strategy. Right, that's when we started
to go into full mode that offenses defense. Right, and
shame on us for not learning from Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I guarantee almost every listener has a family member who
was affected by Vietnam. Aunt and uncle, grandpap, or you know,
you get it. Pack ninety eight sends letters to the
White House pushing the Iraq Liberation Act and it becomes law.

(54:06):
Did you know it became a law September two thousand
rebuilding America's Defenses outlines, tech and military transformation. And then
January through May that's when the signatories of Pinak joined
the White House. You had Donald rumsfell and then Wolfowitz

(54:27):
became his deputy, and then Dove Zachim is sworn in
as the comptroller. And then of course they start planning
the seeds. Right during the whole summer of two thousand
and one, all these warnings about a major al Qaeda strike,
the system was blinking red. And then July twenty fourth,

(54:49):
two thousand and one, six weeks before nine to eleven,
Larry Silverstein closes a ninety nine year lease on the
World Trade Center. A private entity takes over from the
New York Port Authority, or maybe it was the New
Jersey Port Authority, part of me, I don't remember which
one it was. All of these things happened in order

(55:14):
for a reason. But one thing that doesn't get talked
about enough that we're going to talk about briefly today
is yes, Saudi Arabia was involved. Yes, the reason for
the Vegas shooting was an assassination tempt on the Saudi leader.

(55:35):
That's a fact. I truly believe that's what that was.
And then the so called you know, fifteen of the
nineteen players who played hijackers who maybe thought they were hijackers,
they didn't get behind I guarantee you folks that those
guys did not get behind the the whatever you call it,

(55:57):
the wheel and their planes into the World Trade Center.
Absolutely if those planes were the ones that were remote controlled.
But I think other things happen, and drones were flown
into the World Trade Center. I know there's a lot
of people who were on the no plane theory. I've

(56:20):
mentioned many times. I stopped really concentrating on that aspect
of it because there's no Maybe it would answer some questions.
I don't know. I just don't know. But for sure,
the Saudis provided financing, right and contacts and assistance for

(56:41):
all these things to happen. Then, of course you have
the Carlisle Group. Carlisle Group has very deep defense ties
and they were in with the bin Laden family as
investors until two thousand and one. October two thousand and one,

(57:02):
so the month after nine to eleven, you know, the familyly,
I'm sorry, the family quote unquote publicly disowns Osama Bin Laden,
and then you know, you had the post attack departures
of certain Saudi nationals from the US occurred with federal approval.

(57:24):
And then we've already played Rumsfeld in the two point
three trillion dollars. But a lot of people aren't aware
of the drills in the morning confusion, which I think
most truthers believe it was intentional. It wasn't a coincidence,
because why nothing's a coincidence. But in two thousand and one,

(57:48):
US Air Defense ran recurring exercises Vigilant Guardian as well
as Global Guardian. You had the FAA and NORAD involved
in these training events, right, that's what military does. We
train all the time. And so before nine to eleven,

(58:08):
when we went to the field and trained, we trained
force on force. We trained traditional like World War Two.
We weren't so much into the guerrilla stuff. Although at
Fort Polk they did have the Shugart Gordon Mount Training site.
Because of what happened in Mogadishu Blackhawk down, so they

(58:33):
started to realize we did need to concentrate on mount training.
I think that's mission oriented urban tactics mout if I remember,
I've been out for a decade now, so bardon me
if I'm wrong, but we were still for the majority
force on force. And then even after prior to our

(58:54):
first deployment to Iraq, we trained at JARRAITC Fort Polk
Force on four course. Then we get to Iraq just
very similar to what we saw in Desert Storm. You
plow through. We're going from base to base to dogwood
to here to there, and we you know, we end
up by the airfield ballad supporting one hundred and first

(59:20):
up in Moses actually got one hundred first patch. And
then you know, end of May early June, the mortars
start dropping, the rock the rockets start dropping and gorilla warfare,
which means they attack and run, attack and run. I
EDS very quick attacks, right boom mortar attack or like

(59:46):
an I D small arms fire and they're gone, right.
And and so j RTC in Fort Polk and NTC
in Fort Irwin, California, they started changing up the way
we trained. Even they were bringing in actual civilian Iraqis

(01:00:07):
from Iraq to NTC. They constructed these villages and roads
and we were literally, you know, training going down streets
fake id's. You know, the booms on the right, they're
not real explosives. But they made the loud sounds and
training and wedge formation and how to react and dealing

(01:00:28):
with angry Iraqi screaming at us, and you know, and
one of my best friends, you know, he got blown
up by a suicide bomber. He barely lived. Unfortunately, he
would go on It's Insane five years later. He after
he healed, he got a purple heart, you know, pet

(01:00:48):
physical therapy came back and he deployed again in twenty
eleven and got hit by rocket. He and three other
people were killed. But the training they provided was very real.
I mean they actually had iraqis, you know, our thirty
day train up prior to deploying. With all that being said,

(01:01:08):
they cost a lot of money and a lot of
contracting companies made a lot of money, a ton of money, right,
so you know, FAA and nor ED were doing their training,
but they were training you know, traditional hijackings, not suicide
flights that were flying into planes. But with just that

(01:01:30):
bit going on, there was confusion.

Speaker 7 (01:01:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
The story is they didn't know if it was real
or it was part of the part of the training.
And again this was done, don't get me wrong, this
was all done intentionally to cause more confusion. You didn't
want any hero F sixteen pilot going up there and
interfering with their plans, right, even the CIA director George Tennant, right,

(01:01:58):
or who was the transport guy. This is Minetta, Secretary
Norman Minetta. Listen to this. This was obviously during the
great nine to eleven commission that figured it all out.
But listen to what Norman Minetta has to say. This
is only about three minutes long.

Speaker 8 (01:02:16):
I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential
Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part
of the day. I think you were there with the
Vice President, and we had that order given. I think
it was by the president that authorized the shooting down
of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists.

(01:02:42):
Were you there when that order was given.

Speaker 7 (01:02:45):
No, I was not.

Speaker 9 (01:02:46):
I was made aware of it during the time. Then
the airplane coming in to the Pentagon, there was a
young man who would come in and say to the
Vice President, the plane is fifty miles out, the plane
is thirty miles out, and when it got down to
the plane is ten miles out. The young man also

(01:03:09):
said to the Vice President, do the orders still stand?
And the Vice President turned and quipped his neck around
and said, of course, the orders still stand. Have you
heard anything to the contrary. Well, at the time, I
didn't know what all that meant.

Speaker 8 (01:03:27):
And the flight you're referring to is the flight that came.

Speaker 9 (01:03:32):
Into the Pentagony. God, yeah, And so I was not
aware that that discussion had already taken place. But in
listening to the conversation between the young man and the
Vice President, then at the time I didn't really recognize

(01:03:55):
the significance of that. And then later I heard of
the fact that the airplanes had been scrambled from Langley
to come up to DC, but those planes were still
about ten minutes away. And so then at the time

(01:04:15):
we heard about the airplane that went into Pennsylvania, then
I thought, oh my god, did we shoot it down?
And then we had to with the Vice President go
through the Pentagon to check that out.

Speaker 8 (01:04:35):
Let me see, if I understand that the plane that
was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away,
there there was an order to shoot that plane down.

Speaker 9 (01:04:47):
Well, I don't know that specifically, but I do that,
and do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley
or from Norfolk, the Norfolk area, and so, but I

(01:05:07):
did not know about the order specifically other than listening
to that other conversation.

Speaker 8 (01:05:14):
But there very clearly was an order to shoot commercial aircraft.

Speaker 9 (01:05:19):
I found that out.

Speaker 8 (01:05:24):
With respect to flight ninety three. What type of information
were you and the Vice president receiving about that flight?

Speaker 9 (01:05:35):
The only information we had at that point was when
it was, when it went into when it crashed.

Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
I see, you didn't know beforehand about that airplane, and
so there was no specific order there to shoot that
plane down. But there were military planes in the air
in position to shoot down commercial aircraft.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
That's right.

Speaker 9 (01:06:04):
The planes had been scrambled I believe from OTIS at
that point.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
At and there you go. It's interesting, this account, eight
hundred subscribers, has you know, over two hundred thousand views
of just this little clip, three minute clip, and the
very first comment is spot on. This makes your stomach term.
It's always about money and power, but also, as we

(01:06:31):
noted in the beginning, it's much more than that. It's
about keeping us in fear, keeping your vibrations low right,
and keeping you separate from from God. And of course
you know Bush Cheney, you know, private room with coffee,

(01:06:54):
biscuits and lies, and they're still walking around freely today.
But Larry Silverstein, going back to him, one of the
biggest red flags just happened to sign a ninety nine
year lease for the World Trade Center on July twenty fourth,
two thousand and one, just six weeks. Now, what a

(01:07:14):
lot of people don't know is that he said because
both buildings were hit, it wasn't just one occurrence, it
was two occurrences. And he was paid upwards a four
point four billion with a B dollars for owning this
lease for six weeks. Again, another coincidence when you start
to look at this, the put options and everything else
that we've talked about over the last seventy minutes, and

(01:07:38):
of course Silverstein's explanation, pull it, pull it, some people
were going to look closer at In episode two, Michael Chertoff,
head of the DOJ during two thousand and one to
two thousand and three, part of the investigative prosecut prosecutorial response,

(01:08:01):
later served on the federal bench, became the Director of
Homeland Security, and of course he was really the architect
of the USA Patriot Act and created homeland security, which
again more tyranny. And you heard Bush on September eleventh,

(01:08:27):
nineteen eighty. Try that again. September eleventh, nineteen ninety, George H. W.
Bush announced a new World Order, empowering the United Nations, NATO,
the Blue helmet people, a one world government, a one
world currency. It's not good. And then we'll be looking

(01:08:56):
at closer, very close. Paul Wolfowitz, dove Zachim, and remember
wolf of which was a long proponent of these pre
eminent attacks. Right if we again, I've said this before,
maybe it doesn't make sense to you, but you know
I heard my neighbor was gonna you break into my

(01:09:17):
house and break into my vault steal my cash. So
I went next door and I beat him over the
head with a bat. You're going to jail. You're called
the Department of Defense, not the Department of Offense. And
this is where you better be worried that Trump is

(01:09:38):
changing the Department of Defense to the Department of War.
Look at the history of the Department of War. It's
nothing new. They're telling you what's coming. Does Zachkim sworn
in May two thousand and one, as is the DoD
Comptroller oversaw budgets during the wartime pivot and this huge

(01:10:00):
push to modernize Pentagon accounting. Right, that was they wanted
to do away with the old systems so they could
hide all the evidence. It's all about transfer transformation. But
we're going to close on this. We're going to close
on Israel Masade, right. We remember the dancing israelis right,

(01:10:35):
employed by a new Jersey moving company called Urban Moving Systems.
Take a moment, you'll pause the podcast. If you're new
to this, google Urban Moving Systems, right, and look what's

(01:10:57):
on their truck and you'll get all the detractors. What
are you talking about? That's silly. So we're going to
close with something that should be taught in every United

(01:11:23):
States history class every September eleventh. Listen. If you are
in the public school system, next Thursday, September eleventh, play
this twenty minute clip for your students, cause chances are
that ninety nine percent of them have never heard this.

(01:11:46):
Don't forget. We have some more classic audio coming next Tuesday,
and then our nine to eleven episode will be Thursday,
September eleventh, two thousand and one. But we're closing with
Carl Cameron from December two thousand and one, so we're
talking only ninety days from the event. Carl Cameron's just fantastic.

(01:12:12):
This was really, when you think back, probably one of
the last great journalistic efforts in American journalism. And I'm
sure after this you know it's you can't even find
it on the Fox News archive anymore. Shout out to
the people on YouTube who continuously post this, and again

(01:12:34):
I'll have this link in the show notes as well.
And this runs about twenty minutes and until next week.
God bless you all. Here is Carl Cameron.

Speaker 10 (01:12:48):
It has been more than sixteen years since the civilian
working for the Navy was charged with passing secrets to Israel.
Jonathan Pollard, pled guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage and
is serving a life sentence. At first, Israeli leaders claimed
Potard was part of a rogue operation, but later took
responsibility for his work. Now Fox News has learned some
US investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much

(01:13:10):
engaged in spying in and on the US, who may
have known things they didn't tell us Before September eleventh,
Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron has details in the first
of a four part series.

Speaker 7 (01:13:22):
Since September eleventh, more than sixty Israelis have been arrested
or detained, either under the new Patriot anti terrorism law
or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military
were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some
of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about
alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States. There

(01:13:45):
is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the
nine to eleven attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis
may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance and
not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are
quote tie ins, but when asked for details, he flatly
refused to describe them, saying, quote evidence linking these Israelis
two nine one one is classified. I cannot tell you

(01:14:07):
about evidence that has been gathered its classified information. Fox
News has learned that one group of Israelis spotted in
North Carolina recently is suspected of keeping an apartment in
California to spy on a group of Arabs who the
United States is also investigating for links to terrorism. Numerous
classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior

(01:14:28):
to September eleventh, as many as one hundred and forty
other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive
and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the
United States.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Investigators from numerous government agencies are.

Speaker 7 (01:14:43):
Part of a working group that's been compiling evidence since
the mid nineties. These documents detail hundreds of incidents in
cities and towns across the country that investigators say quote
may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity. The first
part of the investigation focuses on Israelis who say, if
they are art students from the University of Jerusalem and
Basalal Academy, they repeatedly made contact with US government personnel,

(01:15:07):
the report says, by saying they wanted to sell cheap
art or handiwork. Documents say they quote targeted and penetrated
military bases, the DEA, FBI, and dozens of other government facilities,
and even secret offices and unlisted private homes of law
enforcement and intelligence personnel. The majority of those questioned quote

(01:15:27):
stated they served in military intelligence, electronic surveillance, intercept and
or explosive ordnance units. Another part of the investigation has
resulted in the detention and arrests of dozens of Israelis
and American mall kiosks, where they've been selling toys called
Puzzle Car and zoom Copter.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Investigators suspect affront.

Speaker 7 (01:15:50):
Shortly after The New York Times and Washington Post reported
the Israeli detentions last month, the carts began vanishing. Zoom
Copter's web page says we are aware of the situation
caused by by thousands of mall carts being closed at
the last minute. This in no way reflects the quality
of the toy or its saleability. The problem lies in
the operator's business policies. Why would Israelis spy in and on?

(01:16:11):
The US? A General Accounting Office investigation referred to Israel
as Country A and said quote, according to a US
intelligence agency, the government of Country A conducts the most
aggressive espionage operation against the US of any US ally.
A defense intelligence report said Israel has a voracious appetite
for information and quote.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
The Israelis are motivated by strong survival.

Speaker 7 (01:16:33):
Instincts, which dictate every facet of their political and economic policies.
It aggressively collects military and industrial technology, and the US
is a high priority target. The document concludes, quote, Israel
possesses the resources and technical capability to achieve its collection objectives.

Speaker 11 (01:16:51):
A spokesman for the US, if excuse me, the Israeli
embassy here in Washington, issued a categorical denial, saying any
suggestion that Israelis are spying in or on the US
is quote simply not true. There are other things to consider,
and in the days I had we will take a
look at the US phone system and law enforcements, methods
for wire taps, and an investigation into the possibility that

(01:17:13):
both have been compromised by our friends and allies overseas.

Speaker 10 (01:17:17):
Brett Carl, What about this question of advanced knowledge of
what was going to happen on nine to eleven? How
clear our investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something?

Speaker 11 (01:17:28):
Well, it's very explosive information, obviously, and there's a great
deal of evidence that they say they have collected, none
of it necessarily conclusive. It's more when they put it
all together, a bigger question they say is how could they.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Not have known? Almost a direct quote.

Speaker 10 (01:17:41):
Britt This going to the fact that they were spying
on some Arabs, right, correct, all right, Carl, thanks very much.
Reported on the approximately sixty Israelis who had been detained
in connection with the September eleventh terrorism investigation. Carl Cameron
reported that US investigators suspect that some of these Israelis
were spying on Arabs in this country and may have
turned up in information on the planned terrorist attacks back

(01:18:01):
in September that was not passed on tonight. In the
second of four reports on spying by Israelis in the US,
we learn about an Israel Israeli based private communications company
for whom a half dozen of those sixty detained suspects worked.
American investigators fear information generated by this firm may have
fallen into the wrong hands and had the effect of

(01:18:22):
impeding the September eleventh terror inquiry.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Here is Carl Cameron's second report.

Speaker 11 (01:18:27):
Fox News has learned that some American terrorism investigators fear
certain suspects in the September eleventh attacks may have managed
to stay ahead of them by knowing who and when
investigators are calling on the telephone. How by obtaining and
analyzing data that's generated every time someone in the US

(01:18:47):
makes a phone call Safe.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Here's how the system works.

Speaker 7 (01:18:51):
Most directory assistance calls and virtually all call records and
billy in the US are done for the phone companies
by Amdocs Limited and Israeli based private telecommunications company. Amdocs
has contracts with the twenty five biggest phone companies in
America and more worldwide. The White House and other secure
government phone lines are protected, but it is virtually impossible

(01:19:13):
to make a call on normal phones without generating an
AMDOS record of it. In recent years, the FBI and
other government agencies have investigated amdocks more than once. The
firm has repeatedly and adamantly denied any security breaches or wrongdoing,
but sources tell Fox News that in nineteen ninety nine,
the super secret National Security Agency, headquartered in northern Maryland,

(01:19:36):
issued what's called a Top secret Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Report TSSCI,
warning that records of calls in the United States were
getting into foreign hands. In Israel in particular, investigators do
not believe calls are being listened to, but the data
about who's calling whom and when is plenty valuable in itself.

(01:19:57):
An internal AMDOXS memo to senior comp company executives suggests
just how amdocs generated call records could be used quote
widespread data mining techniques and algorithms combining both the properties
of the customer like credit rating, and properties of the
specific behavior specific behavior such as whom the customers are calling.

(01:20:19):
The amdox memo says the system should be used to
prevent phone fraud, but US counterintelligence analysts say it could
also be used to spy through the phone system. Fox
News has learned that the NSA has held numerous classified
conferences to warn the FBI and CIA how AMDOS records
could be used. At one NSA briefing, a diagram by

(01:20:40):
the Argon National Lab was used to show that if
the phone records are not secure, major security breaches are possible.
Another briefing document said, quote, it has become increasingly apparent
that systems and networks are vulnerable. Such crimes always involve
unauthorized persons or persons who exceed their authorization acting on

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exploitable vulnerabilities. Those vulnerabilities are growing because, according to another briefing,
the US relies too much on foreign companies like AMDOS
for high tech equipment and software.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Quote.

Speaker 7 (01:21:13):
Many factors have led to increased dependence on code developed overseas.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
We buy rather than train or develop solutions.

Speaker 11 (01:21:21):
US Intelligence does not believe the Israeli government is involved
in a misuse of Amdox information, and Amdox insists that
its data is secure. What US government officials are worried about, however,
is the possibility that Amdox data could get into the
wrong hands, particularly organized crime, and that would not be
the first time that such a thing has happened. Fox

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News has documents of a nineteen ninety seven drug trafficking
case in Los Angeles in which telephone information the types
that Amdox collects was used to quote, completely compromise the
communications of the FBI, the Secret Service, the DEA, and
the LAPD.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
And we'll have that in a lot more or in
the days of hat bread.

Speaker 10 (01:22:01):
Karl, I want to take you back to your report
last night on those sixty people who are Israelis who
were detained in the Any terror investigation and the suspicion
that some investigators have that they may have picked up
information on the nine to eleven attacks ahead of time
not passed it on. There was a report you'll recall
that the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agens, he did indeed

(01:22:22):
send representatives to the US to warn just before nine
to eleven that a major terrorist attack was imminent. Why
does that not how does that leave room for the
lack of a warning?

Speaker 11 (01:22:33):
I remember the report, britt We did it first internationally
right here on your show on the fourteenth. What investigators
are saying is that that warning from the massade was
nonspecific and general, and they believe that it may have
had something to do with the desire to protect what
are called sources and methods in the intelligence community, the
suspicion being perhaps those sources and methods were taking place

(01:22:54):
right here in the United States. The question came up
in the Select Intelligence Committee on Capitol Hill today. They
intend to look into what we reported last night and
specifically that possibility.

Speaker 10 (01:23:05):
So, in other words, the problem wasn't what lack of
a warning, The problem was lack of useful details quantity
of information.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
All right, Carl, thanks very much.

Speaker 10 (01:23:13):
Coming up next, Raili based company called amdocs that generates
the computerized records and billing data for nearly every phone
call made in America. As Carl Cameron reported, US investigators
digging into the nine to eleven terrorist attacks fear that
suspects may have been tipped off to what they were
doing by information leaking out of amdocs and Tonight's report,

(01:23:36):
we learned that the concern about phone security extends to
another company founded in Israel. It provides the technology that
the US government uses for electronic eavesdropping. Here is Carl
Cameron's third report.

Speaker 7 (01:23:49):
The company is Converse Infosis, a subsidiary of an Israeli
run private telecommunications firm with offices throughout the US. It
provides wiretapping equipment for law enforcement. Here's how wired tapping
works in the US. Every time you make a call,
it passes through the nation's elaborate network of switchers and
routers run by the phone companies. Custom computers and software

(01:24:10):
made by companies like Converse are tied into that network
to intercept, record, and store the wiretapped calls and at
the same time transmit them to investigators. The manufacturers have
continuing access to the computers so they can service them
and keep them free of glitches. This process was authorized
by the nineteen ninety four Communications Assistance for.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Law Enforcement Act, or KHALIA.

Speaker 7 (01:24:31):
Senior government officials have now told Fox News that while
KALIA made wiretapping easier, it has led to a system
that is seriously vulnerable to compromise and may have undermined
the whole wire tapping system. Indeed, Fox News has learned
that Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Muller
were both warned October eighteenth in a hand delivered letter
from fifteen local, state, and federal law enforcement officials who

(01:24:54):
complained that quote law enforcement's current electronic surveillance capabilities are
less effective today than they were at the time Khalia
was enacted. Converse insists the equipment it installs is secure,
but the complaint about this system is that the wire
tap computer programs made by Converse have in effect a
backdoor through which wire taps themselves can be intercepted by

(01:25:17):
unauthorized parties. Adding to the suspicions is the fact that
in Israel, Converse works closely with the Israeli government and
under special programs, gets reimbursed for up to fifty percent
of its research and development costs by the Israeli Ministry
of Industry and Trade. But investigators within the DEA, I,
INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to
pursue or even suggest Israeli spying through Converse is considered

(01:25:41):
career suicide, and sources say that while various FBI inquiries
into Converse have been conducted over the years, they've been
halted before the actual equipment has ever been thoroughly tested
for leaks. A nineteen ninety nine FCC document indicates several
government agencies expressed deep concerns that too many unauthorized non
law enforcement personnel can access the wiretap system, and the

(01:26:03):
FBI's own nondescript office in Chantilly, Virginia that actually oversees
the Khalia wiretapping program is among the most agitated about
the threat.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
But there is a bitter turf war internally at FBI.

Speaker 7 (01:26:17):
It is the FBI's office in Quantico, Virginia that has
jurisdiction over awarding contracts and buying intercept equipment, and for
years they've thrown much of the business to Converse. A
handful of former US law enforcement officials involved in awarding
Converse government contracts over the years now work for the company.
Numerous sources say some of those individuals were asked to
leave government service under what knowledgeable sources call troublesome circumstances

(01:26:41):
that remain under administrative review within the Justice Department, And
what troubles investigators, most particularly in New York in the
counter terrorism investigation of the World World Trade Center attack,
is that on a number of cases suspects that they
had sought to wiretap and surveil immediately they changed their
telecommunications processes. They started acting much differently as soon as

(01:27:04):
those supposedly secret wiretaps went into place, Brett.

Speaker 10 (01:27:08):
Carl, is there any reason to suspect in this instance
that the Israeli government is involved?

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
No, there's not, but there are growing instincts and.

Speaker 11 (01:27:17):
An awful lot of law enforcement officials in a variety
of agencies who suspect that have begun compiling evidence and
a highly classified investigation into precisely that possibility.

Speaker 10 (01:27:27):
Brett all right, Carl, thanks very much.

Speaker 12 (01:27:29):
On a long standing government espionage investigation. Federal officials this
year have arrested or detained nearly two hundred Israeli citizens
suspected of belonging to a quote organized intelligence gathering operation.
The Bush administration has deported most of those arrested after
September eleventh, although some are in custody under the new
anti terrorism law. Cameron also described an investigation into the

(01:27:53):
possibility that an Israeli firm generated billing data that could
be used for intelligence purposes, and describes concerns that the
federal government's owned wire tapping system may be vulnerable. Tonight,
in part four of the series, we'll learned about the
improbable roots of the Probe, a drug case that went
bad four years ago in La.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Los Angeles nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 7 (01:28:15):
A major local, state, and federal drug investigation sours the
suspects Israeli organized crime with operations in New York, Miami,
Las Vegas, Canada, Israel, and Egypt. The allegations cocaine and
ecstasy trafficking and sophisticated white collar credit card and computer fraud.
The problem, according to classified law enforcement documents obtained by

(01:28:38):
Fox News, the bad guys had the cops beepers, cell phones,
even home phones under surveillance. Some who did get caught
admitted to having hundreds of numbers and using them to
avoid arrest.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Quote.

Speaker 7 (01:28:51):
This compromised law enforcement communications between LAPD detectives and other
assigned law enforcement officers working various aspects of the case.
The organization discovered communications between Organized Crime Intelligence Division detectives,
the FBI, and the Secret Service shocks spread from the
DEA to the FBI in Washington, and then the CIA.

(01:29:13):
An investigation of the problem, according to law enforcement documents,
concluded quote, the organization has apparent extensive access to database
systems to identify pertinent personal and biographical information. When investigators
tried to find out where the information might have come from,
they looked at Amdocs, a publicly traded firm based in Israel.
Amdocks generates billing data for virtually every call in America,

(01:29:37):
and they do credit checks. The company denies any leaks,
but investigators still fear that the firm's data is getting
into the wrong hands. When investigators checked their own wire
tapping system for leaks, they grew concerned about potential vulnerabilities
in the computers that intercept, record, and store the wiretapped calls.
A main contractor is Converse Infosis, which works closely with

(01:29:59):
the Israel government and under a special grant program, is
reimbursed for up to fifty percent of its research and
development costs by Israel's Ministry of Industry and Trade. Asked
this week about another sprawling investigation and the detention of
sixty Israelis since September eleventh, the Bush administration treated the
questions like hot potatoes.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
I would just refer you to Department of Justice with it.
I'm not familiar with the report.

Speaker 13 (01:30:22):
I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained. With
respect to why they are being detained and the other
aspects of your question, whether it's because they are in
intelligence services or what they were doing, I will defer
to the Department of Justice and the FBI.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
To answered that.

Speaker 11 (01:30:40):
Beyond the sixty apprehended or detained and many deported since
September eleventh, another group of one hundred and forty Israeli
individuals have been arrested and detained in this year in
what government documents describe as quote an organized intelligence gathering
operation designed to quote penetrate government facilities. Most of those
individuals said they had served in the Israeli military, which

(01:31:01):
is compulsory there, but they also had most of them
intelligence expertise and either worked for ANDOCS or other companies
in Israel that specialize in wiretapping. Earlier this week, the
Israeli embassy here in Washington denied any spying against or
in the United States.

Speaker 12 (01:31:17):
Tony Carl, We've heard the comments from Ari Fleischer and
Cole and Powell. What are officials setting behind the scenes.

Speaker 11 (01:31:23):
Well, there's real pandemonium described at both the FBI, the DEA,
and THES A lot of these problems have been well
known to some investigators, many of whom have contributed to
the reporting on this story, and what they say is
happening is supervisors and management are now going back and
collecting much of the information because there's tremendous pressure from
top levels of all of those agencies to find out

(01:31:44):
exactly what's going on. At the DEA and the FBI,
already a variety of administrative reviews are underway in addition to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
The investigation of the phenomenon.

Speaker 11 (01:31:52):
They want to find out how it is that all
this has come out, as well as be very careful
because of the explosive nature and very political relifications of
the story itself.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Tony, you're listening to the fact Hunter Radio network. Just
the facts, Mammy,

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