December 4, 2025 • 75 mins
This episode tears apart the official narrative of Muammar Gaddafi and exposes the real forces behind his rise and destruction. Far from the “madman” portrayed in Western media, Gaddafi built Africa’s highest standard of living, funded free housing, healthcare, and education, engineered the world’s largest water project, and moved to liberate Africa from Western banking through a gold-backed dinar. From CIA memos to his explosive 2009 UN speech calling out Big Pharma, from the manufactured Lockerbie case to NATO’s 2011 regime-change war, we trace how a sovereign, debt-free nation became a target the moment it threatened the petrodollar, French finance, and global corporate power. In the end, Libya wasn’t destroyed because it was weak; it was destroyed because it was becoming too strong, too independent, and too willing to expose the system that runs the world.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Here is your host, George Hobbs.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
for another edition of The Fact on our podcast as
we record on this Thursday, December the fourth, twenty twenty five.
I hope this message finds you well as yet another
week goes by. What are we about? Three weeks from Christmas?
And then a week after that comes twenty twenty six.
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It's really hard to believe. A couple notes, thank you
all for the kind words of support, and yeah, the
interview on Tuesday was pretty heart wrenching. And you know,
I think sometimes in this world we live in, you know,
we get up work all day that the children, you know,
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And I mentioned this in sermon. I opened up this
past Sunday I had the opportunity to speak again and
I said, you know, it was the Sunday after Thanksgiving,
and I said, we take a lot of things for granted.
We wake up, we have our cup of coffee, we
get in our vehicle, we drive to church.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Not a worry in the world. And you know, I speak.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I've spoken to people in Nigeria and Ghana in Syria,
Christians in Syria all around the world who are persecuted
don't enjoy the freedoms that we have. Obviously, this country
we live in is extremely flawed, right. We point that
out every week. At the same time, we are certainly
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blessed to have for the most part, the freedoms that
we do, and reminded the congregation of that on Sunday.
Obviously it was the first week of Advent. Unique time
to preach every Sunday or any opportunity you want to
present the gospel, but it was unique and it kind
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of brought me. This week brought me some reflection and thankfulness.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Really, we have a lot to be thankful for.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Two quick notes before we kick the podcast off today.
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Is in there. We do have the radio back.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
We have a little chat room because I've gotten several
emails people missing out on having conversations with like minded people.
I have to keep it bare bones just because I
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space you can hang out and kind of chat, and
there's some contact information for me as well. So there
you go. I think that's all the news. Obviously, you know,
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I've been talking about Gaddafi four years. I'm not sure
I ever really presented a proper podcast in Today's that day,
and I wanted to focus on in the opening segment
segment Man versus the Myth, Right, And we've been told
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this story time and time again. You know, from the eighties,
the nineties into the two thousands that Mullamar Gadafi was
the mad dog of the Middle East. Now that's not
my phrase. That is actually the phrase that Ronald Reagan
used back in the nineteen eighties. And they presented him
as a lunatic in sunglasses and robes. But by the way,
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I should preface the podcast with this, never met him.
I'm not holding Mumar Gadaffi up on a stage. Psalm's
one eighteen eight tells us not to put faith.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
In man, but in God.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But he did. Certainly. Man, you talk at all the
conspiracies in the history, right, obviously you have the liberty
and you have this one. All these conspiracies that just
don't get talked about enough. This is a big one. Right,
and again, when you control the media, all these outlets
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present him as a terrorist sponsor, right lockerbie, a man
so unpredictable that the West had.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
To bomb his house.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Right, what do we see what's going on in Venezuela
right now?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Right? And people, this was the.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You know, there's certain things in my life. I remember,
like in two thousand and two I've mentioned this Fort Drum,
George W. Bush shows up and gives a raw rass speech.
This would have been October two, so four months before
we went to Iraq. Hillary Clinton was there. A lot
of right big folks were there and during Bushes speaks beach,
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pardon me, a champ rang out, kill Saddam, Kill Saddam,
Kill Saddam. And even though I was a soldier, and listen,
your primary mission as a soldier, it doesn't matter if
you're a commo guy, doesn't matter if you're a supply guy,
a truck driver. Your primary duty in the army is
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to defeat the enemy, right, and that's why you go
to basic training first, you learn how to fire your weapon.
But still that that day still kind of stands out
in my memory. You know, as a Christian, I felt
a little weird being involved in that. And I've confided
in a few people about that. Right, I'm not at
some soft hearted liberal, right as I get called every
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now and then, never voted Democrat. I have I may
or may not have, you know, things to protect myself
and my family. But at the same time. You know,
it was a little odd, but that's the now. Let's
get into the what if. The public story was built
on top of some of something much simpler and much older, right,
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and it was really a leader who became a problem
for the status quo, whether it's Rome or England or DC.
The banksters had a huge problem with Gaddaffi and Libya
and the corporations. So we're going to talk a little
bit about what DC wrote about him, but we're also
going to talk about what Gadaffi actually said when the
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microphones weren't being filtered by CNN and the Washington Post.
Because the picture that really emerges when you take the
time and research not just what Wappo and the New
York Times say, but you realize this guy is not
some cartoon villain in these long robes with sunglass and
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his little hat. This is about a young officer who
was kicked out of a monarch. He took back the
oil and he was trying to rewire Libya's economy and
then started talking just a little too loudly about things
like pharmaceutical cartels, fake international justice, and a gold back
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African currency, which was truly in my opinion, the not
even proverbial, the actual nail in the coffin. So let's
start how the West branded him, right, because listen, the
most powerful weapon.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
In the West is the media.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So a twenty seven year old army captain leads a
coup on September one, nineteen sixty nine, and topples King
Idris and takes power in Libya. Now, over the years,
Western media cycles through every label. Right, you hear the
terms dictator, terrorist, sponsor of rogue groups, unstable, erratic. In
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the nineteen eighties, Reagan is calling him the mad dog
of the Middle East and openly bombing Libya. If you remember,
there was a strike on his compound way back in
nineteen eighty six. US and British intelligence pushed the line
that Libya is behind everything from the disco bombings to
airline explosions. Right, Saddam was behind everything. Do you remember
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that he was taking Kuwait's oil. They were throwing you know,
pulling babies out of incubators and throwing them on the ground,
on and on and on. Right, they were on the
border of taking over Saudi Arabia. Now you know, inside
that narrative that's presented to the public, We're not going
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to ask questions. Right, that's a bad dude who needs
to be dealt with. And if he is a mad dog,
you don't need to wonder why he was targeted, who
benefited from his fall, or what Libyans actually experienced during
his rule. Right, that is propaganda one oh one. That
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is Bernesian rule number one. You dehumanize the person first,
and then after that everything is biscuits and gravy.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It truly is.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Now here's what the CIA really saw.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Back in nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And for that you actually have to flip the script
to early nineteen seventy and the US State Department published
a secret intelligence memorandum entitled an Intelligence Assessment of Libya.
It was produced by the CIA's Office of Current Intelligence
from the top levels of government. Now here's how they
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described the guys who had just taken over Libya. The
new rulers were young and experienced officers between the ages
of twenty five and thirty, who were used both by
an enthusiasm for an Arab nationalism which you know they
hate nationalism, and by a desire to modernize their country.
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So you know, that's not the language you use for
a cartoon madman as they presented him. Right, they're not
calling him insane, and at this point they're not even
calling him a religious fanatic, right like they did Koresh.
What they're saying is he's young, he's an Arab nationalist,
and he wants to modernize Libya. And by the way,
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that same memo admitted something else. Right after the coup,
Libya demanded that the United States evacuate Wheelis Air base,
and Washington complied. The memo notes that the new regime
was highly suspicious of US and British intentions and expected
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relations with US to be cool because Tripoli so America
as the chief mainstay of Israel. So early on, you
understand that you have a poor desert country suddenly rich
with oil, a young officer who kicks out Western countries
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from their air bases, a leadership that wants Arab unity
and modernization, and a deep suspicion of Western motives, especially
around Israel and oil. And again, yeah, I get it.
You know, Christianity and Islam go together the same as Christianity,
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Christianity and Judaism. However, from a Christian point of view,
that doesn't give anybody the right to do what we did,
whether it's the Wiggers or the Libyans. We don't have
that right to just go and wipe out people in
the name of Rothschild were Rockefeller or you know, insert
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wealthy billionaire banker, so you know they knew he was
never going to be, you know, a client of Washington
or London. And that's the seed of everything that comes later.
Right now, if you fast forward just a bit into
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the eighties, the tone of the intelligence out of d
C becomes more hardened. There was a later CIA report
that is literally titled Libya under Kadafi a pattern of aggression.
So the message is clear here. There's no talk of
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young officers who want to modernize anymore. Right, this is
a regional menace. So early seventies you have a young
ideological nationalists who wants modernization, and the all of a sudden,
this is a terrorist sponsor, a mad dog who has
a pattern of aggression. So again they are painting this
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person as a villain, because anytime you're going to start
dropping bombs, you need to have the people of the
United States having your back to support right hearts and minds,
as we used to say in the military, right that's
how you set up the public for bombing campaigns, sanctions
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and regime change. Right, you just make that person right
with your mocking bird media and control of the internet,
like the guy you want to get rid of. Your
sole goal is to when I see that guy, you
think that person is dangerous, right, when you look at
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Saddam Hussein, when you look at the guy who's running
North Korea, when you look at Muammar Gaddafi, right, they
want you to be fearful of that person. And you know, listen,
mister Trump or mister Reagan, whatever presidents in charge at
the time during you know, the de facto evil guy,
do what you need to do, right, and that's what
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they want. But here's the problem with all of this.
None of that explains why he later went after Big Pharma,
the International Monetary Federation, or the petro dollar. None of
that explains why he tried to build a gold backed
African currency, or why NATO bombed a country that on
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paper had one of the highest living standards in Africa.
Now you hear all these wealthy oligarchs right, like Bill Gates, right,
the story Part one's coming out tomorrow, my sub stack
and all about you know, looking after the poor.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
People of Africa.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Right, this is one of the standalone that if you know,
we're going to get into it. But my goodness, if
you let that country get ahead just a little bit
and it threatens the dollar, you.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Can't have that. Right.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Jump to September two thousand and nine, New York City.
Gaddafi steps up to the podium the UN General Assembly
wearing one of those trademark robes we all remember him wearing, right,
and the Western media Marxist speech because it runs long.
It ran about one hundred minutes, and he was waiving
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if you recall the UN Charter around like it was
a prop But buried in that speech is a section
that ages very differently.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
He was talking about the swine flu and world health
and said that quote, today there is swine flu, perhaps
tomorrow there will be a fish flu. It is a
commercial business. Capitalist companies produce viruses so they can generate
and sell vaccinations. That is very shameful and poor ethics.
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And listen, I'm not going to argue with more marketafi here. Right.
He actually goes on to say that quote vaccinations and medicine, medicine,
pardon me, should not be sold medicines should go free
of charge and vaccinations given free to children. Now I'll
go one step further. You know, vaccinations ninety percent of
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them need to go straight to the dump.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
But I digress.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But capitalist companies produce the viruses and vaccinations and want
to make a profit.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And again, this isn't Alex Jones speaking, This isn't the
fact hunter speaking. This is more market offie at the
United Nations. This is the head of state of an
oil rich African country standing at the official microphone of
the United Nations accusing big pharma of creating and manipulating viruses.
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And again we can have that conversation do viruses exist?
Turning disease into a business model and treating basic medicine
as a profit engine instead of a human right. You
can see why Big Pharma, the WHO bureaucracy, and their
buddies in London, in Rome, in DC were not thrilled
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about this speech. Right at that same session, he ripped
into the UN Security Council and honestly it was kind
of neat. He went into the entire nineteen forty five
and forward world order that keeps Africa poor and much
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of Europe and others off of their stolen wealth and listen,
he's not wrong. And that was basically he signed his
death certificate that day. At the same time, you have
to admire him, right, how many people have stood up
at the United Nations, at NATO or anywhere and have
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had the courage to call out big pharma. We know
what happened to Brandy Vaughan, and she was I'm not listen,
I'm not trivializing her when I say this, but she
was just a sales rep, right, a.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
World leader.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Who is running one of the oil and mineral vast,
you know, countries in Africa.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You know, it took a lot of courage.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So again you have the public label of the psychopathic
mad dog his own words in two thousand and NINEES.
You have to ask yourself at this point was he
a uniquely evil dictator or was he just a noisy,
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squeaky wheel for a system that was in place since
nineteen forty five? Right, So let's get into it. Let's
talk about you know, when he took power in nineteen
sixty nine, he inherited.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
A nation with a lot of oil.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Now again, Libya under King Idris was in practice a
Western client State recalled that US and British military bases
operated freely. Foreign oil companies dictated extraction terms, right. So,
and that's how does in Syria and Iraq now the
foreign oil companies dictate the terms.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
There's a reason that soldiers are guarding private company's assets.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And the monarchy was very much aligned with Western intelligence.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So Gaddafi and his guys saw it as a puppet regime,
as so many of the regimes around the world are.
If you don't answer to the CIA, to DC, to six,
to the king, to the pope, out of five thousand,
you're done. And it's interesting Allah Building seven. Most people
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don't know how that nineteen sixty nine revolution happened. There
was no long civil war like you see in Syria,
no street fighting. It was a bloodless takeover again, organized
by these young military officers. They called themselves the Free
Unionist Officer's Movement.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
According to FIOA documents FOIA documents spared me. It stated
that the coup was carried out by a group of
young and inexperienced officers. Again, like we said, between the
ages of twenty and thirty. It was peacefully executed and
supported by most of the populace. And that's what they
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don't tell you. They know when your regime, you know,
bends the need to the US or London or you know,
insert bankster here, they're going to get the row end
of the stick. It was a big deal. And again
within four months they kicked the United States and everyone
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out of the country. And again no Middle Eastern or
North African nation had ever expelled both American and British
forces that quickly. If you think back, it took Egypt years,
Iraq never fully expelled them, Saudi Arabia never considered it
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over the last thirty five years. Gaddafi did it in
like three months, and quite frankly, Western intelligence never forgave
him for that. But we know what the real fight was.
The petro dollar equals oil and they had a lot
of it. So Libya. Here's Libya producing massive quantities of oil.
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But before Gaddafi, most of the money flowed out of
the country. Western firms reaped profits. You had occidental shell
so so they operated under lucrative sweetheart contracts that was
negotiated with the monarchy that didn't care what Libyans received
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as long as their pockets were getting filled. Let them
eat cake right. But Gaddafi changed all that right in
the early seventies. He summoned the heads of all these
oil companies and told them that they wanted higher royalties,
higher prices, higher income to ax's, greater Libyan control over operations,
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and in some cases, think about this, he wanted fifty
one percent national stake. Fifty one's a big number because
that means you control it. Then he seized a portion
of the oil fields. When they refused, the companies panicked,
they came back to the table.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
This was the first major oil producing nation to beat
the Western oil majors in open confrontation.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It was in.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Saudi Arabia, wasn't Iran, not even Iraq.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
It was Libya.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
And in nineteen seventy three, a US diplomatic cable described
Libya's leverage bluntly. It said, Libya has proven itself the
most aggressive in the Arab world in seeking national control
over its petroleum resources. The companies were held to accept
higher demands. That was a um pardon the US embassy
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cable that was declassified in nineteen seventy three, Western officials
admitted privately that Gaddafi's tactics set a precedent that other
Arab nations quickly copied. So once again it's almost as
he broke the cartel. And now other countries are starting
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to notice. The US and the West are starting to
get nervous, right because why, well, the early seventies we
went off the gold standard, and you remember there was
a fuel crisis. For those of you who are old
enough to remember in the early seventies, I was probably
maybe five, but I remember like if your license plate
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ended with an odd number, you were able to get
gas Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, even number Monday, Wednesday, Friday. My
mom tells the story of how she worked for a
medical laboratory and she was shuttling around lab tests and
she was just about out of gas and it wasn't
her day, right, and she, you know, told the gas
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station attendant, look, you know, I got all these things,
I need to run them around. And they actually took
care of her. But that's how serious it was back
in the day, right. So you look at the dots.
You know, he expelled the US Air Force, got rid
of the British, He nationalized oil. He told Western corporations
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that they no longer owned Libya. By the way, gambling
was huge in Libya in the sixties. He shut it
all down. He banned the sale of alcohol, and then
he presented Libya as a people's society independent from the West. Now, listen,
whatever you think of the ideology, here's what matters. Every
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move that Gaddafi did threatened the financial interests of the
Western elite who had controlled Libya for decades, and the
CIA knew pretty early on what they were dealing with. Right,
another declassified memo said that Libya under Kadafi will be
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increasingly anti Western and nationalistic in its foreign policy. So
it was a big deal, right, And throughout the seventies,
Libya took that money and invested it in themselves. They
funded massive infrastructure improvements, They eliminated literacy, they built public housing,
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they provided free medical care.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It was.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
A big change in a short amount of time. And
by forcing you know, the majors, the oil companies to
give Libya better terms, he encouraged other nations to demand
the same. But again, with all the profits, he didn't
stash that money in London or New York. He reinvested
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it back in his people. Now, there was a big
turning point, right, and I kind of mentioned it, and
that was the nineteen seventy three oil embargo, and quote
that Libyan officer. So during the nineteen seventy three oil crisis,
Gaddafi pushed aggressed, pardon me, Gadaffi pushed aggressively for higher
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oil prices but also sharper reductions in production, supply and demand, right,
and he wanted to coordinate Arab action. So this is
when Western intelligence shifted from irritation to open hostility. And
our boy Henry Kissinger makes his appearance and he's and
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someone intentionally it was a setup. It was a classified briefing,
and somebody said, what can be done about that Libyan
officer referring to Gaddafi? Right, not that dictator, not that terrorist,
but that officer. It's interesting how they presented him. So
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moving along, we're going to talk about the social system
that the media buried. Again, they're going to poke holes
in a story and listen, we're going to.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Get to lockerbie. Obviously that's a.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Big one, the gold dinar, that's a big one. But
the actual question that most people are clueless about is
what was life actually like inside Libya under Goadafi?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Right?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Because again, if you go strictly by Western media, Libya
under Goaddafi was a dystopian wastelan, starving people, insane laws,
constant misery. But here's the reality and documented reality, and
it's buried in UN reports, IMF data and Libbya's own
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economic records. They had the highest Human Development index in Africa.
They had the lowest infant mortality rate in Africa. I've
said that many times, the lowest infant mortality rate in Africa,
the highest literacy rate in North Africa, universal healthcare, universal education,
state funded housing, no external debt, oil revenue directly reinvested
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in citizens. By the way, another thing that we'll talk about,
usury is almost non existent in that country. Now, let's
walk through it. Number One, Housing is a human right now, Listen,
I'm not saying. I'm not saying socialism is the way forward,
not in any way, shape or form. However, all I'm
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saying is in many countries around the world, they reaped
the profits from the people. And it goes to the ologarks.
It wasn't the case in Libya. He sold the oil
and he invested it in his people. Okay, So Libya
launched a massive public housing initiative right entire blocks of
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apartments were built with oil revenue, so understand this. Families
were moving out of tents and out of slums, right.
I remember crossing the Berm from Kuwait and direct people
were living in mud and straw homes, wearing no clothes,
and in many cases that was Libya. And now they're
going into either free or extremely low cost housing. Even
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the New York Times, in a rare candid moment, admitted
that the housing situation is right in Libya and the
government has taken steps to provide for all. And again
it's I say it's shocking, but it's really not that.
How many Westerners have never heard that? Now? I know
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David Weiss talks about this part a lot, and it's true.
And many people when they hear it, I'm sure, roll
their eyes and say that's propaganda. But this is fact, Okay.
Under Libyan law, Gaddafi provided a free house or apartment
for newly married couples or a substantial government stipend until
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housing was ready, plus financial assistance for newlyweds up to
a year. Now, in this case, that's not a welfare check,
that's an economic strategy.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Strong families, strong nuclear families equal a stable society. Unfortunately,
you know, we live and again this when I say this,
I'm not saying everyone, but we do live in a
society that is me, me, me, And over the decades,
the marriage rate has declined, the birth rate has declined.
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And somebody made a good point about that. You know,
I always talk about where's the backfill of the youth
in the church. Well, one piece of evidence that I
always miss until somebody pointed out to me was the
birth rate has declined a lot, so that.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That is a big part of it.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Education was free from kindergarten to college. Again, you know,
say what you will. I'm not a big fan of
government education, but you can't argue these numbers. By twenty ten,
Libya had a ninety percent literacy rate, full access to
free public education. By the way, free study abroad, Like
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if you wanted to go to Yale, they would cover it,
not just in Libya. They could study abroad. Now, UNESCO's
own data showed a country well far ahead of most
African and even most Middle Eastern countries. If you've read
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I think his book is called the Green Book. Knowledge
is a natural right of every human and should not
be restricted or taken for profit right, and again say
what you want about the ideology, but in this case
the results were real. And then healthcare for all right,
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say what you will, but by twenty ten I think
it was Libya had achieved universal access to healthcare. And
again this was a year or two before the end right.
And what was the movie thirteen Hours? That was a
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pretty intense movie. Interest free that this is the one
I really like. Interest free loans. Now, Libya's financial system
forbade interest. Once again in his Green Book, he wrote,
usury is a crime. Usury is a crime that cannot
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be tolerated by any society that wishes to survive. Now,
that is based on that is a Sharia based law. However,
our Christian Bible says the same thing. Libyans could receive
interest free business.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Loans, home loans, car loans.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Not low interest guys zero interest, right, and that goes
completely against the Western banking model. Again, if you take
your thirty year loan and three hundred sixty payments times
your interest, Look how much more money you're spending on
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your home you were cutting without usury. You know, you're
cutting the banksters at their knees. And they could not
have that, as in many cases in the Middle East.
In Africa, Iraqis didn't have electric bills. I remember asking
on that. Now again it doesn't have the steady many
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African countries and some in the Middle East, it's not
unusual to lose power once or twice a day, so
it's a catch twenty two. But here in Libya they
were subsidized very cheap fuel. I remember in Saudi Arabia
when I was going down to kkmc to see my father,
gas was twenty five cents a gallon.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It was just absurd.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
How low in these oil rich nations like Kuwait and
Saudi Arabia, how cheap petro is.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It is just so cheap.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
So again, the economy was built around its people.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Right. So again.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
The biggest heartbreak probably is that great man made river.
It would have been his, for lack of better words,
magnus opus.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
This is the one time Gaddafi beat Western energy giants,
the IMF, in every multinational water corporation all at one time.
So what happened was he created the largest largest part
of me irrigation and water transport project in human history,
and instead of celebrating, right, NATO bombed it. So let's
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look at that. So what many people don't understand is
that deep under the deserts it's one of the largest
freshwater aquifers on Earth. This reservoir is called the Nubian
Sandstone Aquifer System, and it stretches under Libya, Egypt, Sudan,
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and Chad. Libya's portion alone held enough fresh water to
sustain agricultural agriculture, pardon me, for hundreds of years. Hundreds
of years. So you know, Gaddafi, he believed that God
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had given Libya to gifts oil and water. The oil
made Libya rich, the water could finally make it independent. Right,
So in eighty four, Gaddafi begins the Great Man Made
River Project. They called it the GMRP over seventeen hundred
miles of pipelines, four thousand drilling wells, huge concrete pipes
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four meters in diameter, huge manufactured on site. By the way,
they had twenty five billion dollars in non borrowed funding,
not a single penny from the IMF or the World Bank,
and it was enough to turn the desert into a
vast farmland. It was a game changer, It just was.
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It was unprecedented. There are UNESCO engineers on records, saying
that it was a remarkable and unique civil engineering achievement.
Western hydrologists nicknamed it the eighth Wonder of the World.
But again here's the key. It's all about the Benjamins.
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The project was entirely Libyan funded, not alone, no interest,
no foreign banks profiting on it. So you have to
understand this made it a geopolitical threat before the very
first drop of water ever flowed. So his plan was
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to feed Libya and then feed Africa. Right, once this
thing was completed, he would have the ability to irrigate
mass of farmlands, and a big one is ending Libyans
dependence on foreign grain, expanding the agriculture into the Sahara Desert,
exporting fresh water to neighboring countries, most importantly, to create
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food sovereignty for North Africa. Agriculture was Gaddafi's last frontier,
as he called it. Right, You'd already given the Libyans
free housing, healthcare, education, and very inexpensive fuel. But food,
I mean that's the primary right. Food and shelter are
the two things you have to have food.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Water, shelter.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Right, when you understand that Libya would have been debt free,
oil rich, food secure, water rich.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
When you think.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
About it, it was about to be Saudi Arabia times ten.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
But again, Western corporations had.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Their own plans, right.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
There are multi national global water industry companies like Violia, Suez,
Nesley Thames Water. You see, these companies had spent decades
privatizing water systems around the world. By the way, have
you ever researched George Bush and his private water system?
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How in the world do we allow these people to
control water? God gave us water. Man should never privatize that, right,
But Gaddafi's project went against all of that and to corporations,
to governments, that was a nightmare, right, a stable, self sufficient,
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water rich Libya. That was a threat to the world.
So what happens. July twenty second, twenty eleven. NATO bombs
the GMRP, the water pipe factory in brega essential machinery
that is used to repair and maintain the water network
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in a major section of that pipeline. Now again, NATO
in the West argues that the factory was being used
for military purposes. They always say that, right, But there
was a UNESCO diplomatic briefing that said that facility was
used solely for the construction of water infrastructure. Even the
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BBC standing right, they were the ones standing in front
of Building seven reporting it fell, you know, an hour
before it did or whatever that time was. They actually
reluctantly reported that that plant was responsible for producing the
pipes for the Great Man Made River. Its destruction will
affect Libya's water supply for years. NATO deliberately targeted the
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water system of a desert country. I'm going to say
that one more time in case you don't understand how
powerful that statement is. NATO deliberately targeted the water system
of a desert country. Right, Think of how inconvenient it
would be no matter where you live in the United
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States or around the world, if you lost water now
you're in a desert. It's tenfold the difficulty.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
This is.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
NATO destroyed, you know, to plainly put it, NATO destroyed
the life support system of a sovereign nation. You know,
there's a lot that goes into this. Hillary had a
hand in this. It's a deep rabbit hole. And that's
not what I'm here for today. That's for another day.
Most people believe that if you control water, you control life.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
We heard the Rothschild say I don't care who the president,
who the king is. If I control the money, I
control that country. And that's true. But water is a
whole other level. Right, Not having much money can make
like difficult. Not having any water makes your life non existent. Right, Listen, DC, London,
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the Vatican. This precedent that Gaddafi said was against everything
that they practiced. Usury, corporate ownership, privatization, interest payments, dependency,
the World Bank, the World Bank, the IMF.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
They all hate that.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And Gaddafi knew the stakes. He made a pretty famous
beach ninety one. Obviously there was a lot going on
here in ninety one, but when he mentioned the water project,
he said, this is my gift to the Libyan people.
After me, the enemies will try to destroy it, but
if the people protect it, Libya will never go thirsty.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
That's prophetic to the letter.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Right. NATO destroyed the plant used to make and repair
the pipes, the rebels looted the pumping stations, the foreign
contractors fled, and today that system fractions, I should say
it functions, had a fraction of his potentially exactly as
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he expected.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
So you know, I'll briefly.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Talk about I wanted to try to keep this to
an hour, and we only have fifteen minutes. We spoken
a little bit about big Pharma, global health, et cetera.
But during that UN General Assembly, you didn't just tell
a little truth. He told the entire forbidden truth and
the things you're not allowed to say about the bankers,
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about big pharma, right, about engineered pandemics, about the UN
Security Council, Right, how they turn a blind eye. Right,
the guy who's running Israel, he supposedly has all these
warrants out for him, he still walks freely. Right, it's
a joke. George Bush still walks freely. It's at Global Health.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
He caught out Global health as a money racket.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
We talk to people all the time who talk about
what am I going to have to skip this month?
My medication, my car insurance.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
We were in Sam's Club.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Today in this older lady, you know, obviously her dunkin
donut ca cups or whatever it was. She said it
was the third the price had gone up in the
last two months or whatever it was. Everything continues to skyrocket,
the quality of everything continues to dwindle. Right, when you
go out you have to ask for napkins. You have
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to ask for straws. They give out the bare minimum.
That's the world we're living in today. Right now, Gaddafi
is accusing the world's largest pharmaceutical company of creating diseases
for profit. Now this is the exact English translated quote
from his two.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Thousand and nine speech.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Again, today there is a swine flu. Perhaps tomorrow there
will be a fish flu. It's a commercial business. Capitalist
companies produce viruses so that they can generate and sell vaccinations.
This is very shameful. Vaccinations and medicines should not be sold.
But it's not so much about what he said, it's
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about when he said it.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
This was before covid, covid vaccines, before the pandemic industrial
complex became daily news and mask no mask. Right, are
you vaccinated?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You're gonna kill Grandma? Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
You know, I talk about places in history where I
wish I was a fly on the wall. I would
have loved to been a fly on the wall that
day to look at all the people from around the
country who had their pockets lined with the pharmaceutical industrial
complexes money. How they must have been squirming, How uncomfortable
they must have felt when the truth was being spoken
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right in front of them. Right, And you know, we
live in a world where very much your financial situation
determines the level of healthcare you get. Again, not a
fan of socialism, not a fan of communism. I loathe
anything Carl Mark says. But there's got to be another way.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
We have smart people. We have this little three by
five of plastic and I can hold up in front
of my face and talk to my in laws over
and hungry. You're telling me we can't solve this medicine. Right, boy,
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you put me in office for a year, there'll be
no bioengineered food vaccines. I mean, we would revamp everything.
Property taxes gone, right. I don't expect you to pay
for my child's education, and I don't expect to pay
for your child's education. And land should be something you
should pass down generation a generation without paying the government.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
God didn't give land to the government, and then government
gave it to us. And we have to change. And
I get a little frustrate, right because you guys know me.
When I'm out and about I talk to people, engage
in people. And there's a lot of people who want change,
but they're not willing to do the things.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
That hakes to make change.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
They want to continue living the way they want to,
but they want things to change. It's not how it works.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
If I want to lose weight, I can't keep eating
the same crummy food and drinking sodas and expect to
lose weight. Well, maybe if I walk around the house
twice that'll help. No, you have to make changes if
you want results.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
But he did so much more that day. He caught
out the who the United Nations right in their faces.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
It wasn't like in the safety of the White House
and the West Wing caught out people. He was on
enemy turf from his perspective, right, And he said, the
Preamble of the UN Charter is the most noble document,
but the Security Council violates that Charter every day. So
what he's saying is, think of us Americans, right, our
Constitution is the most noble document in our history. However,
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our government violates the Constitution every day.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
He goes further.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
He says it should not be called the Security Council,
it should be called the Terror Council because it has
terrorized the world and then he made another great point.
Nuclear inspections are only for the weak, right, North Korea
gets inspectors, Libya gets inspectors. Iraq was inspected to death.
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But when was the last time Israel, the United States, France,
or Russia was ever inspected? Well, there are limits, and
he pointed out that hypocrisy. And this is another big one.
And going back to my series on philanthropy on the
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sub stack, he talked about how Western nations used humanitarianism
as a weapon, right, and they use human rights as
a pre text to invade countries.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
You know how evil Saddam was and he was enriching
uranium and weapons of masters destruction. And again the babies
and the incubators, they have to paint a picture to
get the hearts and minds right. And you know, when
you stack his two thousand and nine speech against the
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twenty eleven bombing, everything became obvious. It's because of what
he did. He exposed the pharmaceutical racket. He challenged the
United Nations, He accused the major powers of terrorism, He
called out pandemics that were engineered. He challenged the world's
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financial order. Right, And that's that's a big deal. That
that's calling out the principle. Right, he motivated African independence.
He refused to deal with the IMF for the World Bank,
and again the big one, the gold back currency that
he was about to drop. Right, he was building a
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currency that would have ended the French control. It would
have weakened the IMF, it would have broken the petro dollar,
and it would have unified Africa economically. Now this might
have been you know, more powerful, or I should say,
a bigger blow than anything he ever said. All the
big cities, whether it's Washington, Paris, London, they knew it
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and they knew it had to change. To understand why
Getafi's plan was treated like the threat it was, you
have to understand what Africa is tied to. Right now,
So fourteen African nations still use a currency controlled by
the French treasury called the CFA frank. So this means
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France controls their monetary policy, France holds their reserves, France
can freeze their accounts, France can veto financial decisions.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
And Gaddafi once again called it out.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
He told other African leaders, we are still slaves to
the colonial powers. They control our money, our banks and
therefore our decisions. So by twenty ten, listen to this,
do your what is gold now? Three thousand dollars an ounce?
By twenty ten, Libya had one hundred and forty three
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tons of gold. So I don't know if I can
search real quick. One hundred and forty three tons in ounces.
Let's see, that is a number so big that it
got that E plus six on the end.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
And then you multiply that by three thousand pounds an
ounce they had.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
By the way, that's just the gold.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
They had a similar amount they had over I think
it was one hundred and forty tons of silver.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
They had no debt, external.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Debt, I should say, right, they had billions and billions
in reserve. So he announced the African dinar, and the
idea was simple. Oil would be traded in gold, resources
would be priced in gold. African nations would buy and
sell using gold, not dollars, not euros, not the CFA, Franks.
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This would have created the real competition to the petro
dollars since the seventies, and it would have freed Africa
from the IMF, the World Bank, the French monetary system,
all of that, right, And there's the smoking gun good
old Hillary's email. Hillary has entered the chat again and again.
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This isn't speculation, This isn't a rumor, This isn't the
fact hunter's conspiracy theory. In twenty sixteen, the US State
Department released a set of emails from Hillary Clinton, including
one marked confidential, dated April second, twenty eleven, entitled France's
client and Gadafi's Gold. And in that email it exposed
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everything how much gold he had, how it was intended
to be used on the dinar, and then came the
real reason, that part that revealed why NATO attacked. This
plan was designed to provide the Francophone African countries with
an alternative to the French franc That was the motive.
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That email stated plainly, the Gaddafi's goldback currency would have
weakened the French, It would have undermined the frank It
would have collapsed, and it would challenge the Western monetary system.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
And the French.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
They panic big, and of course the US care because
of the Petro dollar. Now here's a part most people know.
There were seven African nations Malley, nyger, Chad, Ghana, Sudan,
Nigeria all had reportedly expressed interest in joining the gold
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back currency.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Even if five did, that would.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
Have been close to game over for the IMF. No
more structural adjustment, no more interest bearing loans, no more
dollar dependents. Africa would have had its own central bank.
And of course, in twenty eleven, the same year the
African Union was due to formally discuss and vote on
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the Golden ar, NATO invaded Libya. This was not a coincidence,
This was a preemptive strike. The sequence is clear. Libya
accumulates one hundred and forty three tons of gold. Gaddafi
builds the African Monetary Fund headquarters in Tripoli. He pushes
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African leaders to drop the CFA. Frank France panics, US
intelligence is warning of petro dollar disruption. Hillary's email gets out,
NATO attacks, Gadaffi is killed. Libya's gold. Oh, by the way,
one hundred and forty three tons of gold disappears. At
least of a third of it went to us. So
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can't you just use that to pay for our taxes
for the next hundred years?
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Where's the gold?
Speaker 1 (58:43):
When was the last time the gold was inspected? Why
don't every American citizen have the right to look at
a balance sheet where every dollar goes. And again that
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gold vanished one hundred and forty tons. To this day,
no one knows where they went. No Western agency was investigated.
How many times? When's the last time you heard a
podcast or a radio show that mentioned Goodafi and Libya
in that year mentioned the gold? Where'd the gold go?
Just disappeared? You guys know what that means. We have it,
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We have most of it. I'm sure we split up
with our buddies. And you know, I'll talk briefly about Lockerbie.
And if you ask the average American why Goodafi was evil,
they're gonna say, well, pan am one.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
O three right.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
Our Marve's working with Chase Manhattan Bank in nineteen eighty eight,
fresh out of high school, went to basic ait. I'm
a youngster at Chase Manhattan Bank taking customer service calls.
There's a funny story about Dick Clark. I'll tell y'all
one day if I've never mentioned it over the last
five years. I got a call from him. His card
got declined at the din table, and his balance he
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had a credit line of like twenty five thousand dollars.
And you know, I pulled up his thing and he
had like a twenty seven thousand. He was two thousand
dollars over his credit limit, and like, mister Clark, you
of your balance.
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
He goes, I'm Dick Clark, damnit.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I'm like, yeah, I'm going to transfer you to my supervisor.
And of course the supervisor comes in and schmoozes and
I'll just raise your credit.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
No worries, mister Clark.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
You know, so that's how it works, right, the little
guy always takes the potato. But you know you have
a commercial plane. Two hundred and seventy people were dead during,
by the way, Christmas season, right, and within days, the
US media machine pointed the finger at Gaddafi.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
The thing is that was long before any evidence existed.
But here's the bombshell. The Lockerby case is one of
the most disputed, manipulated, and discredited investigations in modern history.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
The prosecution's key witness was a multice shopkeeper named Tony Gouchi. Now,
Gauchi claimed that he sold clothing to a Libyan man
later found in the bomb suitcase, and that's how investigators
tied Libya to the bomb. Well, here's the problem. Gauchi
was secretly paid two million dollars by the US government
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that came from not know some reddit. This comes from
a two thousand and seven Scottish criminal case review CIA
documents FIA and again a later admission of Scottish court filings.
They found undisclosed payments made to Gauchi from the US
Justice Department's Reward for Justice program. The star witness was
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bought and paid for. Even in his testimony, even without
the payoff, which he did he got paid off. It
was shaking in the fact that he misidentified mcgrahey, he
got timelines wrong, he changes story like seven times, and
he contradicted photographic evidence. And without Galchi, there is no
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case against Libya. And again the other piece of critical
evidence that the prosecution showed was a circuit board fragment
supposedly from an MST thirteen timer linked to Libya. The
tiny piece of metal is what proved Libya built the bomb,
(01:02:33):
except for the fact that later it's always later down
the road right experts. Forensic experts determine the fragment. Oh,
by the way, it did not match the Libyan timers,
but they know if they can kick the story down
long enough, people will forget about it. But they'll still
remember Gaddaffi bad Guypan. In one o three, Swiss engineer
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Ulrich Lumpert said the way, he's an employee of Mibo,
the firm that made the timers. He signed a sworn
affidava in two thousand and seven saying I gave the
CIA a duplicate prototype of the MST thirteen timer. I
forged the documents. The official version is not true. The
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timer evidence was planet and because of time constraints, you know,
I'm not going to go much more to it. But again,
remember why were they blamed. Well, here's the thing. By
nineteen ninety the US needed serious cooperation for the first
Golf War. I Ran was a little too sensitive to accuse.
The Soviet Union was collapsing. Libya had no, I mean
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no geopolitical leverage. And here's this guy, he's already designated
as a villain. Sanctioning Libya pleased Western oil companies. So
Libya became the scapegoat.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Hans Kochler, the UN observer who oversaw the locker Be trial, wrote,
the locker Bee trial was not fair. There was interference
by foreign governments, and the verdict is inconsistent and arbitrary. Again,
Gaddaffi never admitted guilt, only responsibility. When Libya paid compensation,
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it did not admit guilt. Even the UK Foreign Office
said that they did not admit involvement in the bombing.
And the case is now widely considered a fraud. You
have Scottish judges, FORMERCAA officers, journalists, you want officials. You
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know it's clear that Libya did not bomb PanAm one
O three. Why would would they? The evidence was a manipulator.
The witnesses were bought, the timer was planted, and Gaddafi
was framed. But you see, Lockerby was the pr foundation
for everything that came after the sanctions, the isolation, the.
Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Mad Dog branding.
Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
It was more of a justification for military action.
Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
And eventually the NATO war.
Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
So is it fair to say without Lockerby, the West
could have never sold the two thousand and eleven intervention
to the public. Not sure, pardon me. They could have
come up with something else, right.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
And.
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Nobody does the regime game, the regime change game, better
than the CIA, right. And you guys know Benghazi twenty eleven,
the protests, the Arab Spring, they started framing it as
Gaddafi's massacring peaceful protesters. Within weeks, the story changed to
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if we don't intervene, Benghazi will be genocided. And that
was the backbone for UN Security Council nineteen seventy three. Right,
they had their no fly zone and all necessary measures
to protect civilians, so.
Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Very quickly.
Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Responsible to protect became licensed to bomb very quickly, so
they greenlit NATO air strikes, close air support for the
rebel forces. Regime changed by air power, while pretending it
was about protection. Right, So who were the rebels?
Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
That element included members of Libyan Islamic Fighting.
Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Group the LFG.
Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
It was a Jihadis group with historic ties to al Qaeda.
Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
It was al Qaeda CIA. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Documents later found in Tripoli showed that some of the
the same militants had been rendered and interrogated by the
CIA and MI six.
Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
In earlier years.
Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
So to be clear, the West armed in back factions
that included Jahattis and later tear them out right, and
they use them for their own.
Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Success. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
French, they were the first one out of the gate,
pushing the bombing for obvious reasons, the oil and their money.
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
The US was close behind, and they went from protecting
civilians to hunting Gaddafi personally. As the war progressed, NATO
air strikes started targeting his personal compounds. His family members
were killed in strikes, Command and control targets started looking
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like assassination attempts. By the time Gaddafi's convoy was hit
near Serte in October twenty eleven, Neto had long crossed
the line from defense into regime change.
Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
By air power.
Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
And as you all remember, he was dragged from a
drainage pipe, beaten and murdered on camera. Western leaders celebrated,
and you know, I think it's fair to say on
that day Libya died with him. Right after that happened,
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the foreign oil companies came back in. New contracts were renegotiated,
so the people weren't getting that money anymore. The state
collapsed into rival militias. It's a sad tell, to be
quite frank, it truly is, and it's one that doesn't
get talked about enough. But because of the threats financially,
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and they couldn't handle Africa becoming independent. So you see
how the architecture of power works, right, He built a
model that terrified empires. He named the system out loud.
Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
He crossed the.
Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Red line that no world leader is allowed to cross
without permission from the powers that be. They justified it
with protecting civilians, preventing genocide, restoring democracy, right, the same
once they use over and over, and if you think
about it, it's the same blueprint that they used in
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Iran in fifty three, Lamumba in sixty one, Chilean seventy three,
Iraqano three. They tried it in Syria, they're trying it
in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
It's the Sea i A. So there you go. Pardon me.
Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Well, seventy minutes and there's some subjects within this. We
could have dealt a lot deeper in, for sure, But
I think that's a good plant, a good seed to
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Time got up? Let me come?
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Never lose home.
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Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
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we record on this Thursday, December the fourth, twenty twenty five.
I hope this message finds you well as yet another
week goes by. What are we about? Three weeks from Christmas?
And then a week after that comes twenty twenty six.
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It's really hard to believe. A couple notes, thank you
all for the kind words of support, and yeah, the
interview on Tuesday was pretty heart wrenching. And you know,
I think sometimes in this world we live in, you know,
we get up work all day that the children, you know,
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And I mentioned this in sermon. I opened up this
past Sunday I had the opportunity to speak again and
I said, you know, it was the Sunday after Thanksgiving,
and I said, we take a lot of things for granted.
We wake up, we have our cup of coffee, we
get in our vehicle, we drive to church.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Not a worry in the world. And you know, I speak.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I've spoken to people in Nigeria and Ghana in Syria,
Christians in Syria all around the world who are persecuted
don't enjoy the freedoms that we have. Obviously, this country
we live in is extremely flawed, right. We point that
out every week. At the same time, we are certainly
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blessed to have for the most part, the freedoms that
we do, and reminded the congregation of that on Sunday.
Obviously it was the first week of Advent. Unique time
to preach every Sunday or any opportunity you want to
present the gospel, but it was unique and it kind
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of brought me. This week brought me some reflection and thankfulness.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Really, we have a lot to be thankful for.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Two quick notes before we kick the podcast off today.
Number One, if you aren't subscribed to my sub stack,
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an article. It's a multi part story about the Gates Foundation.
And again I think they're nine to ninety for twenty
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so it's going to be multi part. Obviously, we're laying
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Speaker 2 (03:32):
Is in there. We do have the radio back.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
We have a little chat room because I've gotten several
emails people missing out on having conversations with like minded people.
I have to keep it bare bones just because I
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there's some contact information for me as well. So there
you go. I think that's all the news. Obviously, you know,
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I've been talking about Gaddafi four years. I'm not sure
I ever really presented a proper podcast in Today's that day,
and I wanted to focus on in the opening segment
segment Man versus the Myth, Right, And we've been told
(04:21):
this story time and time again. You know, from the eighties,
the nineties into the two thousands that Mullamar Gadafi was
the mad dog of the Middle East. Now that's not
my phrase. That is actually the phrase that Ronald Reagan
used back in the nineteen eighties. And they presented him
as a lunatic in sunglasses and robes. But by the way,
(04:44):
I should preface the podcast with this, never met him.
I'm not holding Mumar Gadaffi up on a stage. Psalm's
one eighteen eight tells us not to put faith.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
In man, but in God.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But he did. Certainly. Man, you talk at all the
conspiracies in the history, right, obviously you have the liberty
and you have this one. All these conspiracies that just
don't get talked about enough. This is a big one. Right,
and again, when you control the media, all these outlets
(05:19):
present him as a terrorist sponsor, right lockerbie, a man
so unpredictable that the West had.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
To bomb his house.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Right, what do we see what's going on in Venezuela
right now?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Right? And people, this was the.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You know, there's certain things in my life. I remember,
like in two thousand and two I've mentioned this Fort Drum,
George W. Bush shows up and gives a raw rass speech.
This would have been October two, so four months before
we went to Iraq. Hillary Clinton was there. A lot
of right big folks were there and during Bushes speaks beach,
(06:00):
pardon me, a champ rang out, kill Saddam, Kill Saddam,
Kill Saddam. And even though I was a soldier, and listen,
your primary mission as a soldier, it doesn't matter if
you're a commo guy, doesn't matter if you're a supply guy,
a truck driver. Your primary duty in the army is
(06:23):
to defeat the enemy, right, and that's why you go
to basic training first, you learn how to fire your weapon.
But still that that day still kind of stands out
in my memory. You know, as a Christian, I felt
a little weird being involved in that. And I've confided
in a few people about that. Right, I'm not at
some soft hearted liberal, right as I get called every
(06:46):
now and then, never voted Democrat. I have I may
or may not have, you know, things to protect myself
and my family. But at the same time. You know,
it was a little odd, but that's the now. Let's
get into the what if. The public story was built
on top of some of something much simpler and much older, right,
(07:09):
and it was really a leader who became a problem
for the status quo, whether it's Rome or England or DC.
The banksters had a huge problem with Gaddaffi and Libya
and the corporations. So we're going to talk a little
bit about what DC wrote about him, but we're also
going to talk about what Gadaffi actually said when the
(07:32):
microphones weren't being filtered by CNN and the Washington Post.
Because the picture that really emerges when you take the
time and research not just what Wappo and the New
York Times say, but you realize this guy is not
some cartoon villain in these long robes with sunglass and
(07:55):
his little hat. This is about a young officer who
was kicked out of a monarch. He took back the
oil and he was trying to rewire Libya's economy and
then started talking just a little too loudly about things
like pharmaceutical cartels, fake international justice, and a gold back
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African currency, which was truly in my opinion, the not
even proverbial, the actual nail in the coffin. So let's
start how the West branded him, right, because listen, the
most powerful weapon.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
In the West is the media.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So a twenty seven year old army captain leads a
coup on September one, nineteen sixty nine, and topples King
Idris and takes power in Libya. Now, over the years,
Western media cycles through every label. Right, you hear the
terms dictator, terrorist, sponsor of rogue groups, unstable, erratic. In
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the nineteen eighties, Reagan is calling him the mad dog
of the Middle East and openly bombing Libya. If you remember,
there was a strike on his compound way back in
nineteen eighty six. US and British intelligence pushed the line
that Libya is behind everything from the disco bombings to
airline explosions. Right, Saddam was behind everything. Do you remember
(09:24):
that he was taking Kuwait's oil. They were throwing you know,
pulling babies out of incubators and throwing them on the ground,
on and on and on. Right, they were on the
border of taking over Saudi Arabia. Now you know, inside
that narrative that's presented to the public, We're not going
(09:48):
to ask questions. Right, that's a bad dude who needs
to be dealt with. And if he is a mad dog,
you don't need to wonder why he was targeted, who
benefited from his fall, or what Libyans actually experienced during
his rule. Right, that is propaganda one oh one. That
(10:10):
is Bernesian rule number one. You dehumanize the person first,
and then after that everything is biscuits and gravy.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It truly is.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Now here's what the CIA really saw.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Back in nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And for that you actually have to flip the script
to early nineteen seventy and the US State Department published
a secret intelligence memorandum entitled an Intelligence Assessment of Libya.
It was produced by the CIA's Office of Current Intelligence
from the top levels of government. Now here's how they
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described the guys who had just taken over Libya. The
new rulers were young and experienced officers between the ages
of twenty five and thirty, who were used both by
an enthusiasm for an Arab nationalism which you know they
hate nationalism, and by a desire to modernize their country.
(11:11):
So you know, that's not the language you use for
a cartoon madman as they presented him. Right, they're not
calling him insane, and at this point they're not even
calling him a religious fanatic, right like they did Koresh.
What they're saying is he's young, he's an Arab nationalist,
and he wants to modernize Libya. And by the way,
(11:34):
that same memo admitted something else. Right after the coup,
Libya demanded that the United States evacuate Wheelis Air base,
and Washington complied. The memo notes that the new regime
was highly suspicious of US and British intentions and expected
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relations with US to be cool because Tripoli so America
as the chief mainstay of Israel. So early on, you
understand that you have a poor desert country suddenly rich
with oil, a young officer who kicks out Western countries
(12:17):
from their air bases, a leadership that wants Arab unity
and modernization, and a deep suspicion of Western motives, especially
around Israel and oil. And again, yeah, I get it.
You know, Christianity and Islam go together the same as Christianity,
(12:38):
Christianity and Judaism. However, from a Christian point of view,
that doesn't give anybody the right to do what we did,
whether it's the Wiggers or the Libyans. We don't have
that right to just go and wipe out people in
the name of Rothschild were Rockefeller or you know, insert
(13:04):
wealthy billionaire banker, so you know they knew he was
never going to be, you know, a client of Washington
or London. And that's the seed of everything that comes later.
Right now, if you fast forward just a bit into
(13:25):
the eighties, the tone of the intelligence out of d
C becomes more hardened. There was a later CIA report
that is literally titled Libya under Kadafi a pattern of aggression.
So the message is clear here. There's no talk of
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young officers who want to modernize anymore. Right, this is
a regional menace. So early seventies you have a young
ideological nationalists who wants modernization, and the all of a sudden,
this is a terrorist sponsor, a mad dog who has
a pattern of aggression. So again they are painting this
(14:10):
person as a villain, because anytime you're going to start
dropping bombs, you need to have the people of the
United States having your back to support right hearts and minds,
as we used to say in the military, right that's
how you set up the public for bombing campaigns, sanctions
(14:32):
and regime change. Right, you just make that person right
with your mocking bird media and control of the internet,
like the guy you want to get rid of. Your
sole goal is to when I see that guy, you
think that person is dangerous, right, when you look at
(14:52):
Saddam Hussein, when you look at the guy who's running
North Korea, when you look at Muammar Gaddafi, right, they
want you to be fearful of that person. And you know, listen,
mister Trump or mister Reagan, whatever presidents in charge at
the time during you know, the de facto evil guy,
do what you need to do, right, and that's what
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they want. But here's the problem with all of this.
None of that explains why he later went after Big Pharma,
the International Monetary Federation, or the petro dollar. None of
that explains why he tried to build a gold backed
African currency, or why NATO bombed a country that on
(15:36):
paper had one of the highest living standards in Africa.
Now you hear all these wealthy oligarchs right, like Bill Gates, right,
the story Part one's coming out tomorrow, my sub stack
and all about you know, looking after the poor.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
People of Africa.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Right, this is one of the standalone that if you know,
we're going to get into it. But my goodness, if
you let that country get ahead just a little bit
and it threatens the dollar, you.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Can't have that. Right.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Jump to September two thousand and nine, New York City.
Gaddafi steps up to the podium the UN General Assembly
wearing one of those trademark robes we all remember him wearing, right,
and the Western media Marxist speech because it runs long.
It ran about one hundred minutes, and he was waiving
(16:33):
if you recall the UN Charter around like it was
a prop But buried in that speech is a section
that ages very differently.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
He was talking about the swine flu and world health
and said that quote, today there is swine flu, perhaps
tomorrow there will be a fish flu. It is a
commercial business. Capitalist companies produce viruses so they can generate
and sell vaccinations. That is very shameful and poor ethics.
(17:12):
And listen, I'm not going to argue with more marketafi here. Right.
He actually goes on to say that quote vaccinations and medicine, medicine,
pardon me, should not be sold medicines should go free
of charge and vaccinations given free to children. Now I'll
go one step further. You know, vaccinations ninety percent of
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them need to go straight to the dump.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
But I digress.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But capitalist companies produce the viruses and vaccinations and want
to make a profit.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And again, this isn't Alex Jones speaking, This isn't the
fact hunter speaking. This is more market offie at the
United Nations. This is the head of state of an
oil rich African country standing at the official microphone of
the United Nations accusing big pharma of creating and manipulating viruses.
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And again we can have that conversation do viruses exist?
Turning disease into a business model and treating basic medicine
as a profit engine instead of a human right. You
can see why Big Pharma, the WHO bureaucracy, and their
buddies in London, in Rome, in DC were not thrilled
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about this speech. Right at that same session, he ripped
into the UN Security Council and honestly it was kind
of neat. He went into the entire nineteen forty five
and forward world order that keeps Africa poor and much
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of Europe and others off of their stolen wealth and listen,
he's not wrong. And that was basically he signed his
death certificate that day. At the same time, you have
to admire him, right, how many people have stood up
at the United Nations, at NATO or anywhere and have
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had the courage to call out big pharma. We know
what happened to Brandy Vaughan, and she was I'm not listen,
I'm not trivializing her when I say this, but she
was just a sales rep, right, a.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
World leader.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Who is running one of the oil and mineral vast,
you know, countries in Africa.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You know, it took a lot of courage.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So again you have the public label of the psychopathic
mad dog his own words in two thousand and NINEES.
You have to ask yourself at this point was he
a uniquely evil dictator or was he just a noisy,
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squeaky wheel for a system that was in place since
nineteen forty five? Right, So let's get into it. Let's
talk about you know, when he took power in nineteen
sixty nine, he inherited.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
A nation with a lot of oil.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Now again, Libya under King Idris was in practice a
Western client State recalled that US and British military bases
operated freely. Foreign oil companies dictated extraction terms, right. So,
and that's how does in Syria and Iraq now the
foreign oil companies dictate the terms.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
There's a reason that soldiers are guarding private company's assets.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And the monarchy was very much aligned with Western intelligence.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So Gaddafi and his guys saw it as a puppet regime,
as so many of the regimes around the world are.
If you don't answer to the CIA, to DC, to six,
to the king, to the pope, out of five thousand,
you're done. And it's interesting Allah Building seven. Most people
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don't know how that nineteen sixty nine revolution happened. There
was no long civil war like you see in Syria,
no street fighting. It was a bloodless takeover again, organized
by these young military officers. They called themselves the Free
Unionist Officer's Movement.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
According to FIOA documents FOIA documents spared me. It stated
that the coup was carried out by a group of
young and inexperienced officers. Again, like we said, between the
ages of twenty and thirty. It was peacefully executed and
supported by most of the populace. And that's what they
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don't tell you. They know when your regime, you know,
bends the need to the US or London or you know,
insert bankster here, they're going to get the row end
of the stick. It was a big deal. And again
within four months they kicked the United States and everyone
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out of the country. And again no Middle Eastern or
North African nation had ever expelled both American and British
forces that quickly. If you think back, it took Egypt years,
Iraq never fully expelled them, Saudi Arabia never considered it
(22:54):
over the last thirty five years. Gaddafi did it in
like three months, and quite frankly, Western intelligence never forgave
him for that. But we know what the real fight was.
The petro dollar equals oil and they had a lot
of it. So Libya. Here's Libya producing massive quantities of oil.
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But before Gaddafi, most of the money flowed out of
the country. Western firms reaped profits. You had occidental shell
so so they operated under lucrative sweetheart contracts that was
negotiated with the monarchy that didn't care what Libyans received
(23:39):
as long as their pockets were getting filled. Let them
eat cake right. But Gaddafi changed all that right in
the early seventies. He summoned the heads of all these
oil companies and told them that they wanted higher royalties,
higher prices, higher income to ax's, greater Libyan control over operations,
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and in some cases, think about this, he wanted fifty
one percent national stake. Fifty one's a big number because
that means you control it. Then he seized a portion
of the oil fields. When they refused, the companies panicked,
they came back to the table.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
This was the first major oil producing nation to beat
the Western oil majors in open confrontation.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It was in.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Saudi Arabia, wasn't Iran, not even Iraq.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
It was Libya.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
And in nineteen seventy three, a US diplomatic cable described
Libya's leverage bluntly. It said, Libya has proven itself the
most aggressive in the Arab world in seeking national control
over its petroleum resources. The companies were held to accept
higher demands. That was a um pardon the US embassy
(25:05):
cable that was declassified in nineteen seventy three, Western officials
admitted privately that Gaddafi's tactics set a precedent that other
Arab nations quickly copied. So once again it's almost as
he broke the cartel. And now other countries are starting
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to notice. The US and the West are starting to
get nervous, right because why, well, the early seventies we
went off the gold standard, and you remember there was
a fuel crisis. For those of you who are old
enough to remember in the early seventies, I was probably
maybe five, but I remember like if your license plate
(25:51):
ended with an odd number, you were able to get
gas Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, even number Monday, Wednesday, Friday. My
mom tells the story of how she worked for a
medical laboratory and she was shuttling around lab tests and
she was just about out of gas and it wasn't
her day, right, and she, you know, told the gas
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station attendant, look, you know, I got all these things,
I need to run them around. And they actually took
care of her. But that's how serious it was back
in the day, right. So you look at the dots.
You know, he expelled the US Air Force, got rid
of the British, He nationalized oil. He told Western corporations
(26:35):
that they no longer owned Libya. By the way, gambling
was huge in Libya in the sixties. He shut it
all down. He banned the sale of alcohol, and then
he presented Libya as a people's society independent from the West. Now, listen,
whatever you think of the ideology, here's what matters. Every
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move that Gaddafi did threatened the financial interests of the
Western elite who had controlled Libya for decades, and the
CIA knew pretty early on what they were dealing with. Right,
another declassified memo said that Libya under Kadafi will be
(27:20):
increasingly anti Western and nationalistic in its foreign policy. So
it was a big deal, right, And throughout the seventies,
Libya took that money and invested it in themselves. They
funded massive infrastructure improvements, They eliminated literacy, they built public housing,
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they provided free medical care.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It was.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
A big change in a short amount of time. And
by forcing you know, the majors, the oil companies to
give Libya better terms, he encouraged other nations to demand
the same. But again, with all the profits, he didn't
stash that money in London or New York. He reinvested
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it back in his people. Now, there was a big
turning point, right, and I kind of mentioned it, and
that was the nineteen seventy three oil embargo, and quote
that Libyan officer. So during the nineteen seventy three oil crisis,
Gaddafi pushed aggressed, pardon me, Gadaffi pushed aggressively for higher
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oil prices but also sharper reductions in production, supply and demand, right,
and he wanted to coordinate Arab action. So this is
when Western intelligence shifted from irritation to open hostility. And
our boy Henry Kissinger makes his appearance and he's and
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someone intentionally it was a setup. It was a classified briefing,
and somebody said, what can be done about that Libyan
officer referring to Gaddafi? Right, not that dictator, not that terrorist,
but that officer. It's interesting how they presented him. So
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moving along, we're going to talk about the social system
that the media buried. Again, they're going to poke holes
in a story and listen, we're going to.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Get to lockerbie. Obviously that's a.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Big one, the gold dinar, that's a big one. But
the actual question that most people are clueless about is
what was life actually like inside Libya under Goadafi?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Right?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Because again, if you go strictly by Western media, Libya
under Goaddafi was a dystopian wastelan, starving people, insane laws,
constant misery. But here's the reality and documented reality, and
it's buried in UN reports, IMF data and Libbya's own
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economic records. They had the highest Human Development index in Africa.
They had the lowest infant mortality rate in Africa. I've
said that many times, the lowest infant mortality rate in Africa,
the highest literacy rate in North Africa, universal healthcare, universal education,
state funded housing, no external debt, oil revenue directly reinvested
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in citizens. By the way, another thing that we'll talk about,
usury is almost non existent in that country. Now, let's
walk through it. Number One, Housing is a human right now, Listen,
I'm not saying. I'm not saying socialism is the way forward,
not in any way, shape or form. However, all I'm
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saying is in many countries around the world, they reaped
the profits from the people. And it goes to the ologarks.
It wasn't the case in Libya. He sold the oil
and he invested it in his people. Okay, So Libya
launched a massive public housing initiative right entire blocks of
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apartments were built with oil revenue, so understand this. Families
were moving out of tents and out of slums, right.
I remember crossing the Berm from Kuwait and direct people
were living in mud and straw homes, wearing no clothes,
and in many cases that was Libya. And now they're
going into either free or extremely low cost housing. Even
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the New York Times, in a rare candid moment, admitted
that the housing situation is right in Libya and the
government has taken steps to provide for all. And again
it's I say it's shocking, but it's really not that.
How many Westerners have never heard that? Now? I know
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David Weiss talks about this part a lot, and it's true.
And many people when they hear it, I'm sure, roll
their eyes and say that's propaganda. But this is fact, Okay.
Under Libyan law, Gaddafi provided a free house or apartment
for newly married couples or a substantial government stipend until
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housing was ready, plus financial assistance for newlyweds up to
a year. Now, in this case, that's not a welfare check,
that's an economic strategy.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Strong families, strong nuclear families equal a stable society. Unfortunately,
you know, we live and again this when I say this,
I'm not saying everyone, but we do live in a
society that is me, me, me, And over the decades,
the marriage rate has declined, the birth rate has declined.
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And somebody made a good point about that. You know,
I always talk about where's the backfill of the youth
in the church. Well, one piece of evidence that I
always miss until somebody pointed out to me was the
birth rate has declined a lot, so that.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That is a big part of it.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Education was free from kindergarten to college. Again, you know,
say what you will. I'm not a big fan of
government education, but you can't argue these numbers. By twenty ten,
Libya had a ninety percent literacy rate, full access to
free public education. By the way, free study abroad, Like
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if you wanted to go to Yale, they would cover it,
not just in Libya. They could study abroad. Now, UNESCO's
own data showed a country well far ahead of most
African and even most Middle Eastern countries. If you've read
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I think his book is called the Green Book. Knowledge
is a natural right of every human and should not
be restricted or taken for profit right, and again say
what you want about the ideology, but in this case
the results were real. And then healthcare for all right,
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say what you will, but by twenty ten I think
it was Libya had achieved universal access to healthcare. And
again this was a year or two before the end right.
And what was the movie thirteen Hours? That was a
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pretty intense movie. Interest free that this is the one
I really like. Interest free loans. Now, Libya's financial system
forbade interest. Once again in his Green Book, he wrote,
usury is a crime. Usury is a crime that cannot
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be tolerated by any society that wishes to survive. Now,
that is based on that is a Sharia based law. However,
our Christian Bible says the same thing. Libyans could receive
interest free business.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Loans, home loans, car loans.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Not low interest guys zero interest, right, and that goes
completely against the Western banking model. Again, if you take
your thirty year loan and three hundred sixty payments times
your interest, Look how much more money you're spending on
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your home you were cutting without usury. You know, you're
cutting the banksters at their knees. And they could not
have that, as in many cases in the Middle East.
In Africa, Iraqis didn't have electric bills. I remember asking
on that. Now again it doesn't have the steady many
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African countries and some in the Middle East, it's not
unusual to lose power once or twice a day, so
it's a catch twenty two. But here in Libya they
were subsidized very cheap fuel. I remember in Saudi Arabia
when I was going down to kkmc to see my father,
gas was twenty five cents a gallon.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It was just absurd.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
How low in these oil rich nations like Kuwait and
Saudi Arabia, how cheap petro is.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It is just so cheap.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
So again, the economy was built around its people.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Right. So again.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
The biggest heartbreak probably is that great man made river.
It would have been his, for lack of better words,
magnus opus.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
This is the one time Gaddafi beat Western energy giants,
the IMF, in every multinational water corporation all at one time.
So what happened was he created the largest largest part
of me irrigation and water transport project in human history,
and instead of celebrating, right, NATO bombed it. So let's
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look at that. So what many people don't understand is
that deep under the deserts it's one of the largest
freshwater aquifers on Earth. This reservoir is called the Nubian
Sandstone Aquifer System, and it stretches under Libya, Egypt, Sudan,
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and Chad. Libya's portion alone held enough fresh water to
sustain agricultural agriculture, pardon me, for hundreds of years. Hundreds
of years. So you know, Gaddafi, he believed that God
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had given Libya to gifts oil and water. The oil
made Libya rich, the water could finally make it independent. Right,
So in eighty four, Gaddafi begins the Great Man Made
River Project. They called it the GMRP over seventeen hundred
miles of pipelines, four thousand drilling wells, huge concrete pipes
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four meters in diameter, huge manufactured on site. By the way,
they had twenty five billion dollars in non borrowed funding,
not a single penny from the IMF or the World Bank,
and it was enough to turn the desert into a
vast farmland. It was a game changer, It just was.
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It was unprecedented. There are UNESCO engineers on records, saying
that it was a remarkable and unique civil engineering achievement.
Western hydrologists nicknamed it the eighth Wonder of the World.
But again here's the key. It's all about the Benjamins.
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The project was entirely Libyan funded, not alone, no interest,
no foreign banks profiting on it. So you have to
understand this made it a geopolitical threat before the very
first drop of water ever flowed. So his plan was
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to feed Libya and then feed Africa. Right, once this
thing was completed, he would have the ability to irrigate
mass of farmlands, and a big one is ending Libyans
dependence on foreign grain, expanding the agriculture into the Sahara Desert,
exporting fresh water to neighboring countries, most importantly, to create
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food sovereignty for North Africa. Agriculture was Gaddafi's last frontier,
as he called it. Right, You'd already given the Libyans
free housing, healthcare, education, and very inexpensive fuel. But food,
I mean that's the primary right. Food and shelter are
the two things you have to have food.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Water, shelter.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Right, when you understand that Libya would have been debt free,
oil rich, food secure, water rich.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
When you think.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
About it, it was about to be Saudi Arabia times ten.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
But again, Western corporations had.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Their own plans, right.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
There are multi national global water industry companies like Violia, Suez,
Nesley Thames Water. You see, these companies had spent decades
privatizing water systems around the world. By the way, have
you ever researched George Bush and his private water system?
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How in the world do we allow these people to
control water? God gave us water. Man should never privatize that, right,
But Gaddafi's project went against all of that and to corporations,
to governments, that was a nightmare, right, a stable, self sufficient,
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water rich Libya. That was a threat to the world.
So what happens. July twenty second, twenty eleven. NATO bombs
the GMRP, the water pipe factory in brega essential machinery
that is used to repair and maintain the water network
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in a major section of that pipeline. Now again, NATO
in the West argues that the factory was being used
for military purposes. They always say that, right, But there
was a UNESCO diplomatic briefing that said that facility was
used solely for the construction of water infrastructure. Even the
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BBC standing right, they were the ones standing in front
of Building seven reporting it fell, you know, an hour
before it did or whatever that time was. They actually
reluctantly reported that that plant was responsible for producing the
pipes for the Great Man Made River. Its destruction will
affect Libya's water supply for years. NATO deliberately targeted the
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water system of a desert country. I'm going to say
that one more time in case you don't understand how
powerful that statement is. NATO deliberately targeted the water system
of a desert country. Right, Think of how inconvenient it
would be no matter where you live in the United
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States or around the world, if you lost water now
you're in a desert. It's tenfold the difficulty.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
This is.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
NATO destroyed, you know, to plainly put it, NATO destroyed
the life support system of a sovereign nation. You know,
there's a lot that goes into this. Hillary had a
hand in this. It's a deep rabbit hole. And that's
not what I'm here for today. That's for another day.
Most people believe that if you control water, you control life.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
We heard the Rothschild say I don't care who the president,
who the king is. If I control the money, I
control that country. And that's true. But water is a
whole other level. Right, Not having much money can make
like difficult. Not having any water makes your life non existent. Right, Listen, DC, London,
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the Vatican. This precedent that Gaddafi said was against everything
that they practiced. Usury, corporate ownership, privatization, interest payments, dependency,
the World Bank, the World Bank, the IMF.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
They all hate that.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And Gaddafi knew the stakes. He made a pretty famous
beach ninety one. Obviously there was a lot going on
here in ninety one, but when he mentioned the water project,
he said, this is my gift to the Libyan people.
After me, the enemies will try to destroy it, but
if the people protect it, Libya will never go thirsty.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
That's prophetic to the letter.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Right. NATO destroyed the plant used to make and repair
the pipes, the rebels looted the pumping stations, the foreign
contractors fled, and today that system fractions, I should say
it functions, had a fraction of his potentially exactly as
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he expected.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
So you know, I'll briefly.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Talk about I wanted to try to keep this to
an hour, and we only have fifteen minutes. We spoken
a little bit about big Pharma, global health, et cetera.
But during that UN General Assembly, you didn't just tell
a little truth. He told the entire forbidden truth and
the things you're not allowed to say about the bankers,
(46:11):
about big pharma, right, about engineered pandemics, about the UN
Security Council, Right, how they turn a blind eye. Right,
the guy who's running Israel, he supposedly has all these
warrants out for him, he still walks freely. Right, it's
a joke. George Bush still walks freely. It's at Global Health.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
He caught out Global health as a money racket.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
We talk to people all the time who talk about
what am I going to have to skip this month?
My medication, my car insurance.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
We were in Sam's Club.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Today in this older lady, you know, obviously her dunkin
donut ca cups or whatever it was. She said it
was the third the price had gone up in the
last two months or whatever it was. Everything continues to skyrocket,
the quality of everything continues to dwindle. Right, when you
go out you have to ask for napkins. You have
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to ask for straws. They give out the bare minimum.
That's the world we're living in today. Right now, Gaddafi
is accusing the world's largest pharmaceutical company of creating diseases
for profit. Now this is the exact English translated quote
from his two.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Thousand and nine speech.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Again, today there is a swine flu. Perhaps tomorrow there
will be a fish flu. It's a commercial business. Capitalist
companies produce viruses so that they can generate and sell vaccinations.
This is very shameful. Vaccinations and medicines should not be sold.
But it's not so much about what he said, it's
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about when he said it.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
This was before covid, covid vaccines, before the pandemic industrial
complex became daily news and mask no mask. Right, are
you vaccinated?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You're gonna kill Grandma? Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
You know, I talk about places in history where I
wish I was a fly on the wall. I would
have loved to been a fly on the wall that
day to look at all the people from around the
country who had their pockets lined with the pharmaceutical industrial
complexes money. How they must have been squirming, How uncomfortable
they must have felt when the truth was being spoken
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right in front of them. Right, And you know, we
live in a world where very much your financial situation
determines the level of healthcare you get. Again, not a
fan of socialism, not a fan of communism. I loathe
anything Carl Mark says. But there's got to be another way.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
We have smart people. We have this little three by
five of plastic and I can hold up in front
of my face and talk to my in laws over
and hungry. You're telling me we can't solve this medicine. Right, boy,
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you put me in office for a year, there'll be
no bioengineered food vaccines. I mean, we would revamp everything.
Property taxes gone, right. I don't expect you to pay
for my child's education, and I don't expect to pay
for your child's education. And land should be something you
should pass down generation a generation without paying the government.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
God didn't give land to the government, and then government
gave it to us. And we have to change. And
I get a little frustrate, right because you guys know me.
When I'm out and about I talk to people, engage
in people. And there's a lot of people who want change,
but they're not willing to do the things.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
That hakes to make change.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
They want to continue living the way they want to,
but they want things to change. It's not how it works.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
If I want to lose weight, I can't keep eating
the same crummy food and drinking sodas and expect to
lose weight. Well, maybe if I walk around the house
twice that'll help. No, you have to make changes if
you want results.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
But he did so much more that day. He caught
out the who the United Nations right in their faces.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
It wasn't like in the safety of the White House
and the West Wing caught out people. He was on
enemy turf from his perspective, right, And he said, the
Preamble of the UN Charter is the most noble document,
but the Security Council violates that Charter every day. So
what he's saying is, think of us Americans, right, our
Constitution is the most noble document in our history. However,
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our government violates the Constitution every day.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
He goes further.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
He says it should not be called the Security Council,
it should be called the Terror Council because it has
terrorized the world and then he made another great point.
Nuclear inspections are only for the weak, right, North Korea
gets inspectors, Libya gets inspectors. Iraq was inspected to death.
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But when was the last time Israel, the United States, France,
or Russia was ever inspected? Well, there are limits, and
he pointed out that hypocrisy. And this is another big one.
And going back to my series on philanthropy on the
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sub stack, he talked about how Western nations used humanitarianism
as a weapon, right, and they use human rights as
a pre text to invade countries.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
You know how evil Saddam was and he was enriching
uranium and weapons of masters destruction. And again the babies
and the incubators, they have to paint a picture to
get the hearts and minds right. And you know, when
you stack his two thousand and nine speech against the
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twenty eleven bombing, everything became obvious. It's because of what
he did. He exposed the pharmaceutical racket. He challenged the
United Nations, He accused the major powers of terrorism, He
called out pandemics that were engineered. He challenged the world's
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financial order. Right, And that's that's a big deal. That
that's calling out the principle. Right, he motivated African independence.
He refused to deal with the IMF for the World Bank,
and again the big one, the gold back currency that
he was about to drop. Right, he was building a
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currency that would have ended the French control. It would
have weakened the IMF, it would have broken the petro dollar,
and it would have unified Africa economically. Now this might
have been you know, more powerful, or I should say,
a bigger blow than anything he ever said. All the
big cities, whether it's Washington, Paris, London, they knew it
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and they knew it had to change. To understand why
Getafi's plan was treated like the threat it was, you
have to understand what Africa is tied to. Right now,
So fourteen African nations still use a currency controlled by
the French treasury called the CFA frank. So this means
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France controls their monetary policy, France holds their reserves, France
can freeze their accounts, France can veto financial decisions.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
And Gaddafi once again called it out.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
He told other African leaders, we are still slaves to
the colonial powers. They control our money, our banks and
therefore our decisions. So by twenty ten, listen to this,
do your what is gold now? Three thousand dollars an ounce?
By twenty ten, Libya had one hundred and forty three
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tons of gold. So I don't know if I can
search real quick. One hundred and forty three tons in ounces.
Let's see, that is a number so big that it
got that E plus six on the end.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
And then you multiply that by three thousand pounds an
ounce they had.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
By the way, that's just the gold.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
They had a similar amount they had over I think
it was one hundred and forty tons of silver.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
They had no debt, external.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Debt, I should say, right, they had billions and billions
in reserve. So he announced the African dinar, and the
idea was simple. Oil would be traded in gold, resources
would be priced in gold. African nations would buy and
sell using gold, not dollars, not euros, not the CFA, Franks.
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This would have created the real competition to the petro
dollars since the seventies, and it would have freed Africa
from the IMF, the World Bank, the French monetary system,
all of that, right, And there's the smoking gun good
old Hillary's email. Hillary has entered the chat again and again.
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This isn't speculation, This isn't a rumor, This isn't the
fact hunter's conspiracy theory. In twenty sixteen, the US State
Department released a set of emails from Hillary Clinton, including
one marked confidential, dated April second, twenty eleven, entitled France's
client and Gadafi's Gold. And in that email it exposed
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everything how much gold he had, how it was intended
to be used on the dinar, and then came the
real reason, that part that revealed why NATO attacked. This
plan was designed to provide the Francophone African countries with
an alternative to the French franc That was the motive.
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That email stated plainly, the Gaddafi's goldback currency would have
weakened the French, It would have undermined the frank It
would have collapsed, and it would challenge the Western monetary system.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
And the French.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
They panic big, and of course the US care because
of the Petro dollar. Now here's a part most people know.
There were seven African nations Malley, nyger, Chad, Ghana, Sudan,
Nigeria all had reportedly expressed interest in joining the gold
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back currency.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Even if five did, that would.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
Have been close to game over for the IMF. No
more structural adjustment, no more interest bearing loans, no more
dollar dependents. Africa would have had its own central bank.
And of course, in twenty eleven, the same year the
African Union was due to formally discuss and vote on
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the Golden ar, NATO invaded Libya. This was not a coincidence,
This was a preemptive strike. The sequence is clear. Libya
accumulates one hundred and forty three tons of gold. Gaddafi
builds the African Monetary Fund headquarters in Tripoli. He pushes
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African leaders to drop the CFA. Frank France panics, US
intelligence is warning of petro dollar disruption. Hillary's email gets out,
NATO attacks, Gadaffi is killed. Libya's gold. Oh, by the way,
one hundred and forty three tons of gold disappears. At
least of a third of it went to us. So
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can't you just use that to pay for our taxes
for the next hundred years?
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Where's the gold?
Speaker 1 (58:43):
When was the last time the gold was inspected? Why
don't every American citizen have the right to look at
a balance sheet where every dollar goes. And again that
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gold vanished one hundred and forty tons. To this day,
no one knows where they went. No Western agency was investigated.
How many times? When's the last time you heard a
podcast or a radio show that mentioned Goodafi and Libya
in that year mentioned the gold? Where'd the gold go?
Just disappeared? You guys know what that means. We have it,
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We have most of it. I'm sure we split up
with our buddies. And you know, I'll talk briefly about Lockerbie.
And if you ask the average American why Goodafi was evil,
they're gonna say, well, pan am one.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
O three right.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
Our Marve's working with Chase Manhattan Bank in nineteen eighty eight,
fresh out of high school, went to basic ait. I'm
a youngster at Chase Manhattan Bank taking customer service calls.
There's a funny story about Dick Clark. I'll tell y'all
one day if I've never mentioned it over the last
five years. I got a call from him. His card
got declined at the din table, and his balance he
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had a credit line of like twenty five thousand dollars.
And you know, I pulled up his thing and he
had like a twenty seven thousand. He was two thousand
dollars over his credit limit, and like, mister Clark, you
of your balance.
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
He goes, I'm Dick Clark, damnit.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I'm like, yeah, I'm going to transfer you to my supervisor.
And of course the supervisor comes in and schmoozes and
I'll just raise your credit.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
No worries, mister Clark.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
You know, so that's how it works, right, the little
guy always takes the potato. But you know you have
a commercial plane. Two hundred and seventy people were dead during,
by the way, Christmas season, right, and within days, the
US media machine pointed the finger at Gaddafi.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
The thing is that was long before any evidence existed.
But here's the bombshell. The Lockerby case is one of
the most disputed, manipulated, and discredited investigations in modern history.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
The prosecution's key witness was a multice shopkeeper named Tony Gouchi. Now,
Gauchi claimed that he sold clothing to a Libyan man
later found in the bomb suitcase, and that's how investigators
tied Libya to the bomb. Well, here's the problem. Gauchi
was secretly paid two million dollars by the US government
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that came from not know some reddit. This comes from
a two thousand and seven Scottish criminal case review CIA
documents FIA and again a later admission of Scottish court filings.
They found undisclosed payments made to Gauchi from the US
Justice Department's Reward for Justice program. The star witness was
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bought and paid for. Even in his testimony, even without
the payoff, which he did he got paid off. It
was shaking in the fact that he misidentified mcgrahey, he
got timelines wrong, he changes story like seven times, and
he contradicted photographic evidence. And without Galchi, there is no
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case against Libya. And again the other piece of critical
evidence that the prosecution showed was a circuit board fragment
supposedly from an MST thirteen timer linked to Libya. The
tiny piece of metal is what proved Libya built the bomb,
(01:02:33):
except for the fact that later it's always later down
the road right experts. Forensic experts determine the fragment. Oh,
by the way, it did not match the Libyan timers,
but they know if they can kick the story down
long enough, people will forget about it. But they'll still
remember Gaddaffi bad Guypan. In one o three, Swiss engineer
(01:02:57):
Ulrich Lumpert said the way, he's an employee of Mibo,
the firm that made the timers. He signed a sworn
affidava in two thousand and seven saying I gave the
CIA a duplicate prototype of the MST thirteen timer. I
forged the documents. The official version is not true. The
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timer evidence was planet and because of time constraints, you know,
I'm not going to go much more to it. But again,
remember why were they blamed. Well, here's the thing. By
nineteen ninety the US needed serious cooperation for the first
Golf War. I Ran was a little too sensitive to accuse.
The Soviet Union was collapsing. Libya had no, I mean
(01:03:47):
no geopolitical leverage. And here's this guy, he's already designated
as a villain. Sanctioning Libya pleased Western oil companies. So
Libya became the scapegoat.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Hans Kochler, the UN observer who oversaw the locker Be trial, wrote,
the locker Bee trial was not fair. There was interference
by foreign governments, and the verdict is inconsistent and arbitrary. Again,
Gaddaffi never admitted guilt, only responsibility. When Libya paid compensation,
(01:04:25):
it did not admit guilt. Even the UK Foreign Office
said that they did not admit involvement in the bombing.
And the case is now widely considered a fraud. You
have Scottish judges, FORMERCAA officers, journalists, you want officials. You
(01:04:48):
know it's clear that Libya did not bomb PanAm one
O three. Why would would they? The evidence was a manipulator.
The witnesses were bought, the timer was planted, and Gaddafi
was framed. But you see, Lockerby was the pr foundation
for everything that came after the sanctions, the isolation, the.
Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Mad Dog branding.
Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
It was more of a justification for military action.
Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
And eventually the NATO war.
Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
So is it fair to say without Lockerby, the West
could have never sold the two thousand and eleven intervention
to the public. Not sure, pardon me. They could have
come up with something else, right.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
And.
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Nobody does the regime game, the regime change game, better
than the CIA, right. And you guys know Benghazi twenty eleven,
the protests, the Arab Spring, they started framing it as
Gaddafi's massacring peaceful protesters. Within weeks, the story changed to
(01:05:59):
if we don't intervene, Benghazi will be genocided. And that
was the backbone for UN Security Council nineteen seventy three. Right,
they had their no fly zone and all necessary measures
to protect civilians, so.
Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Very quickly.
Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Responsible to protect became licensed to bomb very quickly, so
they greenlit NATO air strikes, close air support for the
rebel forces. Regime changed by air power, while pretending it
was about protection. Right, So who were the rebels?
Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
That element included members of Libyan Islamic Fighting.
Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Group the LFG.
Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
It was a Jihadis group with historic ties to al Qaeda.
Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
It was al Qaeda CIA. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Documents later found in Tripoli showed that some of the
the same militants had been rendered and interrogated by the
CIA and MI six.
Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
In earlier years.
Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
So to be clear, the West armed in back factions
that included Jahattis and later tear them out right, and
they use them for their own.
Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Success. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
French, they were the first one out of the gate,
pushing the bombing for obvious reasons, the oil and their money.
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
The US was close behind, and they went from protecting
civilians to hunting Gaddafi personally. As the war progressed, NATO
air strikes started targeting his personal compounds. His family members
were killed in strikes, Command and control targets started looking
(01:07:51):
like assassination attempts. By the time Gaddafi's convoy was hit
near Serte in October twenty eleven, Neto had long crossed
the line from defense into regime change.
Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
By air power.
Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
And as you all remember, he was dragged from a
drainage pipe, beaten and murdered on camera. Western leaders celebrated,
and you know, I think it's fair to say on
that day Libya died with him. Right after that happened,
(01:08:30):
the foreign oil companies came back in. New contracts were renegotiated,
so the people weren't getting that money anymore. The state
collapsed into rival militias. It's a sad tell, to be
quite frank, it truly is, and it's one that doesn't
get talked about enough. But because of the threats financially,
(01:08:56):
and they couldn't handle Africa becoming independent. So you see
how the architecture of power works, right, He built a
model that terrified empires. He named the system out loud.
Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
He crossed the.
Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Red line that no world leader is allowed to cross
without permission from the powers that be. They justified it
with protecting civilians, preventing genocide, restoring democracy, right, the same
once they use over and over, and if you think
about it, it's the same blueprint that they used in
(01:09:38):
Iran in fifty three, Lamumba in sixty one, Chilean seventy three,
Iraqano three. They tried it in Syria, they're trying it
in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
It's the Sea i A. So there you go. Pardon me.
Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Well, seventy minutes and there's some subjects within this. We
could have dealt a lot deeper in, for sure, But
I think that's a good plant, a good seed to
get started, and we'll definitely revisit this down the road.
But I want to thank you all for listening to
the podcast. Your you know, all the emails we get,
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the kind words are greatly appreciated.
Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
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Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Our email is thefacthunter at mail dot com. Again fingers crossed.
Let me try it real quick, see if it's up yet.
I'm sure it's not. The fact hunter dot com. It
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Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I don't knowing it's been struggle. I don't know if
you've had spain. I don't feel the tie. Tell down
all the way. Yeah, I know you feel them.
Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Oh you smile. Ain't the same?
Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
I saw where to go from. You feel like you've
lost your way. Don't give up.
Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
No, don't give it and nevers home.
Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Don't let call the primise? It ain't done yet.
Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
He's got up lading. Why it's away?
Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Time got up? Let me come?
Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Why wait, God call?
Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
I can see the straight beside you. Childs are putting
up the fig. Oh you're stronger than any thing.
Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
You guy.
Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
You're gone to be a right.
Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
You're accepting it. A dead found you beautiful.
Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
You're shoving bride.
Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Yeah, you're living, breathing, move you can hold your head
a pie.
Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Don't give up, No, don't give in.
Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Never lose home.
Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Don't let go on the primise.
Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
It ain't done Yet's god a clay?
Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
What's a way til?
Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
The God of me recall?
Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Don't give up? No, don't give in.
Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
You never lose home. Don't let go on the primis.
It ain't oun of life. It's worth livin.
Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
What's a way down? The God? Up? May call?
Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
What's a way down?
Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Come up? Record? Oh yeah? What the play down the god?
Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Oh yeah, God, don't give up, No, don't give in
never solve, do they go of the prims and done
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yeas got up planning, watch and do kind of in
a cot and don't give no dog give in never
the home.
Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Don't let go of the crimes.
Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
It ain't done.
Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Others worth living in? What's And the God of every cous.
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Oh, the God of needs.
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White duk God of.
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