December 19, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode, we examine one of the most disturbing and precedent-setting cases in modern American justice: the life sentence of Amy Gonzalez for cyberstalking, despite never committing a violent crime. While two women were tragically murdered in a Delaware courthouse in 2013, the sole shooter acted alone and then took his own life. Yet federal prosecutors expanded culpability outward, transforming online speech and association into a punishment normally reserved for homicide. Under the watch of then–Attorney General Beau Biden, this case established a dangerous legal precedent that threatens future online dissent. Before releasing exclusive audio from inside federal prison, including hospital-bed sentencing audio of Amy’s mother, Lenore Matusiewicz, we lay out the facts, the omissions, and the question no one wants to answer: how did life in prison become the sentence for cyberstalking?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Here is your host, George Hobbs.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
for a special Friday edition of The fact Hunner. It's Friday,
December nineteenth, twenty twenty five. This is a special podcast
slash substack edition. They both released at five am, featuring
the Amy Gonzales story and our good friend Rudy Davis
(00:38):
from Yearjubilee dot com who worked so tiresly with the
Jeremy Brown case and got me connected with Jeremy and
his wife. And you heard the interviews from jail, and
you're going to hear Amy speaking from prison which was
recorded just two days ago.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
And this is.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Such a mind blowing story that someone got life in
prison for cyber stalking, right that Amy Gonzalez was in
Texas when the heinous murders went down in Delaware. And
again before I played the audio of Leonor Mathusowitz ninety
(01:24):
days before she died of brain cancer and the sensing
was handed down I think three days after her brain
cancer surgery. And again we'll have an audio from Amy
that was recorded in prison just two days ago. Take
in what you're about to hear, because again, what happened
(01:45):
was tragic, but it's also precedent setting.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
In the United States of America, life in prison was
imposed for cyber stalking, not murder, not manslaughter, life in
prison for cyber stalking.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He Be Gonzalez was living and working full time as
a registered nurse in Texas in twenty thirteen when two
women were you know, just tragically murdered in the Newcastle
County Courthouse in Delaware, you know, forty five minutes from
where I sit. She was not there, She did not
plan it, she didn't pull a trigger, She committed no
(02:23):
violent crime. The shooter was her father, Thomas Matthuswitz. He
acted alone. He murdered two people in the courthouse lobby,
and then sadly took his own life, right, And we're
not here to dispute those facts. What we're talking about
today is everything that came after. Instead of stopping with
(02:45):
the man who committed the murders, the federal government, you know,
along with the state of government, the state of Delaware,
pardon me, and oh, by the way, bo Biden, you know,
expanded culpability and the lines the rules of law. I
(03:05):
guess turning online this is what I'm trying to get
across to people today, is this is going to be
a precedent down the road for people who say things
that go against the narrative and then someone commits a crime. Well,
if anybody said this online, they're going to get in
trouble because they encouraged it.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Right, That's what this is.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Turning online speech, family conflict association in a something punishable
by prison life in prison. Mayban Gauzalez was convicted of
cyber stalking and conspiracy charges and sentenced to life in
a federal system where parole does not exist. To date,
(03:52):
no other cyber stalking case in American history two hundred
and fifty years has ever resulted in a life not one.
But here's another critical point that was not addressed during
the trial. Whatsoever Thomas Matusowitz had menengiomis in his front
(04:14):
left lobe.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
That is the area of the brain.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Responsible for judgment, impulse control, decision making, and aggression. That matters.
It matters medically, neurologically, and oh yeah, legally, But what happened?
The jury never heard expert testimony explaining how a frontal
lobe tumor can radically impair behavior. And there's hundreds, if
(04:41):
not thousands, of case studies available. Not one neurologist, not
one psychiatrist, not one medical expert, only a brief stipulation
describing the location and size of the tumors with no
explanation of their implications. The soul shooter's mental and neurologic
condition was never fully represented to the jury, and that humission.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Is just gaping. Right.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
But again, another detail that matters is who was in
charge at the time of this prosecution. Bo Biden was
the Attorney General of Delaware, and it's important to remember
that a Biden who has connections to the federal government.
These things are long in place, long before they're used.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
We talk about Reagan the nineteen eighty six Vaccine Act, right,
and now they used it forty years later for warp speed.
And I'm telling you, when they lay the hammer down,
this is going to be a precedent cyberstalking life since.
And again, whether people view bo Biden as a public
(05:49):
servant or a political hitman, it's interesting here in Delaware
how he's looked at. He has looked at differently than
Joe Biden, et cetera. But the reality remains that this
is unprecedented prosecution and sentencing occurred well the state's top.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Law official, watch Right.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
This was a huge case. I was in the Middle
East when this was all going on, far away from Delaware.
Was never on my radar. But it's important that it
created precedent. Right, and this case doesn't just punish past behavior,
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it reshapes the future. By stretching cyberstalking statutes to include
indirect consequences caused by a third party, the government has
now opened the door to a terrifying legal theory that
speech can be criminally liable for violence that you had
(06:50):
nothing to do with, if the authorities decide your words
contributed to a narrative that they find unacceptable. And this
should alarm every single person in this country, no matter
if you're a Republican, a Democrat, a libertarian, or someone
like me who was you know, just washed her hands
of everything. But the problem is, once that line is crossed,
(07:12):
it's not going to stop with this family. It applies
to journalists whistleblowers. I fall into both of those categories.
Next week, some of the nonprofits I drop are going
to blow your mind. One of the jingles you hear
all the time on the radio in your car, and
the other one used to watch every labor day back
(07:32):
in the day. They're going to blow your mind. But
anyone who challenges a dominant narrative is going to fall
to this. And again, if speech can be retroactively blamed
for tragedy, then our speech is no longer free. And
that's a big problem. And that is the precedent that
(07:53):
this case sets. But it didn't stop with Amy. Her mother, Leonore,
was sentenced to life in prison from a hospital bed,
just three days after undergoing emergency brain cancer surgery. Pardon me,
emergency brain cancer surgery. And I'm going to.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Play the audio with that sentencing, right.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
She was rushed through sentencing so she could become the
first person in America sentenced to life for cyberstalking. Three
months later, she was dead. That's something far more nefarious
than simply justice. And Amy Gonzalez has been incarcerated since
(08:33):
August twenty thirteen. I believe she's in a federal prison
in Texas. I have her information on the substack article
and I'll post it in the show notes as well.
She was a registered nurse, a breast cancer survivor, a wife,
a mother, never convicted of a violent crime, and her
(08:54):
sentence was life. So what you're about to hear next
is both Amy Gonzalez speaking from inside of federal prison. First,
we're going to play her mother's hospital sentencing from a
hospital bed three days after her surgery, which was very
awkward to listen to. But I want you to ask
(09:16):
you does this punishment fit the crime? Ask yourself whether
this precedent is one that you want standing when the
next controversial case comes along, because life for cyberstalking is
not proportional, it is not humane. And again, guys, once
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a line like this is crossed, you know they never
take it back, whether it's nine to eleven, the Patriot
Act and everything we saw in twenty twenty and again,
I want to reinforce this before I play this audio.
I just want to acknowledge Rudy Davis of Year of
Jubilee dot com and his link will be in the
show notes too. He has worked tiresly for so many
(09:59):
people who have been wrongly sentenced, wrongly convicted. And I
mean to say he works titled. He probably spends eighteen
hours a day working for these people. And he's a servant.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Of Jesus Christ. He truly is.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
But he has worked tirelessly to keep Amy Gonzalez case
in the public eye when most people stop paying attention.
And he emailed me again two days ago, and I
owe it to him to do this. I looked at
it and it's just it's alarming. Right by the way, again,
Rudy brought that same persistence and courage that we did too.
We joined on and it helped lead to Jeremy Brown's
(10:38):
pardon early this year. Right, we will continue to stand
where many will not. So God bless you, Rudy, And
without any further ado, the first audio we're going to
play is a federal judge you don't actually hear the sentencing,
which I don't know why Delaware Online didn't include that.
But at the end of this, a federal judge sentenced
Leonor Matusowitz to life in prison at an emergency hearing
(11:03):
because they wanted to make sure again that the sentence
was handed down before she died. This is she is
sitting in a hospital bed in Philadelphia as this is
being read to her.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Missus mantissuwits I noted.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
That you're here in your hospital bed.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
But this is the point in a proceeding where if
someone would like, they can address the judge.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
And there may be many things on.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Your mind, man, and many things that you would want
to say, But what I would ask you to limit
yourself to is anything you think I need to hear
as a judge before imposing a sentence.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
That would really be what i'd ask you to focus on.
Is there anything you would like to say on that subject, man, Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
My husband was at the SUNA for several years in
violentin Jersey. He always said that I was too good
and that he was He had to find a way
to bring me down or make me look bad or whatever.
(12:10):
So he said he does going to find a way
to do that. Obviously he did, and I don't know
why he did what he did. He h He hated
(12:33):
the fact that Christine didn't love David, she only loved
his money, and that she didn't love their children. He
couldn't understand that because he and I both believed that
children were gifts from God, and if you get a
gift from God, you loved them. But he didn't. She
(12:56):
didn't love them, and he couldn't understand that anyway, when
she when she started hurting them.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
This is beyond sentencing now, ma'am. Okay, that was part
of the trial in the case, and there has been
evidence about all those things.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
And we're now at a point though.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Where based upon a jury verdict, I must consider a sentence,
and so could I ask you please to focus on that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm not sure I understand.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Is there anything I need to hear as the judge
before pronouncing a sentence?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Okay? As a policeman, my husband wouldn't tell me anything
that he was working on. He said, you've been read
it in the newspaper. You don't need to know the
rest of the facts. As part of his is decision
(14:03):
to kill Christine, he never told any of us about that.
He just did it and that was the way he was.
I don't know it from the Veninzuoma. I don't know
if it was part of his training, but he just
did what he did and none of us knew what
(14:25):
was coming.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
All right, anything else you'd like me to here?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Then, I'm a Catholic and I would like to be
less before I am disposed.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Of That is beyond my jurisdiction, but I'm sure the family,
and I'm sure that if you are in the custody
of the Bureau of Prisons, they will honor that request.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
I understand, thank you, missmatiulates is there eight other ones
or anything else that you.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Would like to address of court. No, you're a thank you,
mister McCall.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Just very briefly, your honor. It's our position throughout this
case that Christine Belford loved her children, took excellent care
of her children, and was an excellent mother who did
not deserve the fate in which she found herself.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
And I understand the government's position in that regard. And
I would have to add I believe the jury in
his verdict, not only understood the government's position in that regard,
but specifically gained such a finding that Christine Belford was
a good mother, and that Christine Belford in no way
abused her children, and that Christine Belford did not deserve
the faith that she met.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And next, we're going to play Amy Gonzalez again. This
was from December sixteenth, twenty twenty five. This runs about
nine minutes.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
My name is Amy Gonzales, and until twelve years ago
I had never been in trouble with the law. I
had been a registered nurse. There's nineteen ninety two, a wife,
a mother, a sister, and a woman committed to saving lives,
not taking them. Today, I am serving life in federal
prison without parole for crimes I did not commit, crimes
connected to a tragedy caused by my father, whose long
(16:08):
standing brain tumor had profoundly affected his judgment. My federal
case number is one thirteen CR. Eighty three GAM three
in the United States District Court of Delaware. I right
now because I am out of option, yet still determined
to fight for my freedom after twelve years of incarceration
(16:30):
without without a single disclinarian fraction. I'm asking not for money,
but for political and moral support, for someone willing to
look deeper into the facts of my case to recognize
the profound injustice that has taken place my life before
the tragedy. For twenty six years, I have been married
to my soulmate want. We raised two children. My daughter
(16:51):
Tatiana now twenty and my son Christopher, now thirty four,
met more than a decade without their mother. At the
time of my arrest, I was the sole financial provider
and working full time as a nurse, even while battling
breast cancer and undergoing multiple surgeries. I'm also the sister
of David Matuthois, an optometrist who once owned a thriving practice,
(17:15):
even went through a painful divorce from his wife, Christine Belford.
Our family became deeply concerned about the well being of
the three daughters. They shared if the children were being
physically and sexually abused. Following the advice of a national
organization called Unite for Justice, we posted our concerns online
in hopes it would prompt intervention and protection for the girls.
(17:37):
It was a desperate attempt to help children we genuinely
believe were in danger. Decision that changed everything. I think
had a fear and desperation and convinced that the children
were unfathed my brother and my mother, who led the
country with David's daughters. I truly believed that my brother
an intelligent. This call is from a federal prison. I
(17:58):
truly believed that my brother an intelligi's education driven man
felt this was the only way to protect them. Nevertheless,
both he and my mother were arrested, returned to the US,
and convicted of international frenchal kidnapping and endangering the welfare
of a child. Nothing that Foley could have been predicted
tragedy at the courthouse on February eleventh, twenty thirteen, while
(18:21):
suffering from a massive left frontal lobement in Gioma he
had battled since nineteen ninety, my father, Thomas Mattooswitz, made
a catastrophic, incomprehensible decision, shot and killed my former sister
in law, Christine Dlford and her friends Laura Lawford, and
then took his own life in the lobby of the
Delaware Courthouse. My father's impairments, his memory loss, distorted judgment,
(18:43):
impaired reasoning, and episodes of aggression were never fully presented
at trial. Medical expert prepared to testify never reached the stand.
Only a two setence stipulation was read to the jury,
noting the location in size of his tumor. I've lived
every day wishing I could undo what happened, but none
of us had the power to foresee or prevent his actions.
(19:05):
In dightment trial and life sentences. Still in Shock and Greece,
my mother, brother and I were invited for cyber stalking
resulting in death he received to commit cyberstalkings, interstate stalking,
and aiding and abetting my father. I sed for constitutional
right to a trial, and we lost. All three of
us were sentenced to life in federal prisons with no
(19:26):
possibility of parole. Real prison life is not symbolic. Life
means death behind bars. For mother's death in prison, mother
Lenor Matoswitz, was sentenced in a hospital bed only ten
days after bring tumor surgery. Officials arranged in emergency sentencing
in case she died beforehand. The audio of it was
(19:46):
posted online for the world to hear. Her final words
recorded and exposed. She was given just three months to live.
Instead of being granted compassionate release, she was placed on
hospice in a prison cell. She died in agony on
Mother's weekend in two thousy sixteen. My brother and I
continue to fight for justice, but the legal resistance is overwhelming.
(20:07):
Our case is presidential, meaning that ger returning it would
impact others facing similar charges. We have become political casualties
of a much larger legal battle. Domino effect on my
family tragedy didn't end at the courthouse. It spread through
every corner of my family's life.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
When I was.
Speaker 8 (20:24):
Arrested, Chris Christopher was only eighteen. I was in the
middle of rolling him in college. Devastated and alone, he
fell into depression and moved back to New Jersey. By
God's grace, he still managed to complete a degree in
computer analysis. Vaughn and our daughter, Tasiana, only seven at
the time, remained alone in Texas with no family for support.
(20:45):
Entire retirement fund was spent just to keep them in
our home, but after four years they were forced to
sell it. Ripped into my parents' old double white trailer,
which was badly in need of repairs. An now survives
only on fifteen thousand dollars a year in SSI disability
why while battling depression, panic attacks, PTSD, anxiety, and agoraphobia.
(21:06):
After the collapse of this entire family, Autiana has suffered emotionally, spiritually,
and financially. Our faith once anchored our family, but this
trauma shattered hers. The hardest part of my incarceration has
been watching my daughters use her belief in God. The
hardest part of sorry. Fifteen minute phone calls cannot replace
a mother's presence. I missed every milestone of her first
(21:27):
period or first heartbreak, her first achievements relied on the
kindness of others. For mothers to guide her when I couldn't,
like Clarissa, who gently explained to my daughter the changes
of growing up and angel and angels. Like Missus Brea,
her middle school English teacher, who read Taziana's essay titled
(21:48):
something Traumatic in My Life. Tatiana broke down crying. Missus
Sara embraced her and later paid eight hundred dollars out
of her own pocket so Taziana could join her classmates
on a school trip to university about her My daughter
would have stayed home, excluded again way of Greece after
the core House shooting. I was allowed only one week
(22:09):
off to greeb and exhausted my PTO on breast cancer surgery.
After long shifts at the hospital, I cried on the
back porch, my daughter finding me and asking when her Grandma,
Uncle Dave and pop Up would come home. A month later,
I took her to my parents' ranch and explained for
the first time what death meant, that we would not
(22:29):
see pop Up and again until Heaven. Our scream, the
kind of scream that comes to a child's soul, will
halt me forever. When my father's belonged me for returns,
I found Tottown as kindergarten graduation. The photo in his
wallet buried it everywhere. Buyers for Disney trips continued to
arrive in the mail vacations. He planned to take her on,
(22:50):
but never would, worried he had neglected her by not
taking her like he had his other grandchildren. Where I
stand today, twelve years have passed. I have worked in
clerical and leadership roles in prison, maintained perfect disciplinary conduct,
and held on to faith that someone would finally look
at this case and with courage and clarity. I cannot
(23:12):
change my father's actions. I am deeply, profoundly sorry for
the life loss. I pray for Christine and Laura's families
every day. I have seen people convicted. I pray for
Christine and Laura's families, but said I did not intend, encourage,
or foresee violence of any kind. People convicted of murder,
(23:34):
of rape, and brutal assaults received far lighter senses than mine.
I mentioned this not to diminish tragedy, but to illuminate
the magnitude of injustice in my own situation. Thease help us.
My brother and I are running out of options. If
then denied repeatedly in higher courts, without outside support, without
someone brave enough to examine what truly happened, we fear
(23:56):
we will die in prison like our mother. If you
are case documents on PACER, I also share evidence and
information on my website www dot Year of Jubilee dot
com slash Amy's I E A R O S j
U b I l e dot com slash A M Y.
I am a mother. I'm a woman, a mother, a wife,
(24:19):
a nurse, and a breast cancer survivor. I am also
a human being who is broken, who has endured a
measurable loss and historical youth and justice. Please help us
and help us enough, respectfully, Amy Catalas wife's mother, registered
Nurses nineteen ninety two at Press, Cancer Survivor. Thank you
for your time, and I thank you for letting me
(24:41):
read this, and I thank you for hearing news call.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's from a federal prison, and there you go.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It's kind of odd hearing it, just like we heard
the same recordings from Jeremy. Typically for federal cyberstalking under
US Code six, the maximum sentence is typically five years
in prison. There was a case that had aggravating factors.
A person received ten years, but again this case set
(25:13):
a new precedent and can now be extended to life
in prison if it results in death. And again it's
a dangerous, dangerous precedence and obviously prayers to all involved.
This incident that took place a decade over a decade ago,
(25:38):
still has so many ramifications and affected so many lives.
So there you go. God bless you all. Thank you
for taking that, for taking the time to listen. I
would hope that you would take a moment subscribe to
the sub stack. We have a lot more, just some
mind blowing information coming out next week on a few
(25:59):
nonprofits and.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
More podcasts coming away. God bless each and every.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
One of you. Keep your head on a swivel and
Christ in your heart.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Have a great weekend. We'll see you.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
I know it's been a struggle. I don't know you've
had spain. I know you feel the tied, tell doubt
all the way.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, don't you feel it? You smile, ain't the same
I saw were gone from you. I feel like you've
lost your way.
Speaker 10 (26:45):
Don't give it, no, don't give it. Never is home
don't let go the Primise eat ain't done yet, he's
got I'm glad.
Speaker 11 (26:56):
Wow, it's a way.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
God let me come?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
What right.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
He called?
Speaker 9 (27:15):
I can see the street beside you. Childs are putting
up the five. Oh you're stronger than anything.
Speaker 10 (27:26):
You are.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, you're gone and be all right. You're accepting a
dead ni beautiful, you're shoving ride.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, you're living, breathing, moveing. You can hold your.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
Head a pie.
Speaker 11 (27:49):
Don't give up, No, don't give in. Neverthless home. Don't
they gone on the Primis? It ain't done yet, it's gone.
Speaker 10 (27:59):
I want some wainetail. The God of mem Come. Don't
give up, No, don't give in, never on this home.
Don't let go on the Primise. It ain't kind of life.
It's worth living.
Speaker 11 (28:17):
Wat's a play town?
Speaker 5 (28:18):
The God of Babel.
Speaker 11 (28:25):
Why a play down? Contam cold? Oh yeah, what's a
play down? The god baby Colt? Oh yeah, gottam cold? Oh,
(28:53):
don't give up, No, don't give in.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Never's home?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Do they go?
Speaker 11 (28:59):
The Primise me?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Don yas got up? Playing waits and God of if
it calls, don't give no dog giving any never hold,
don't let go of the primes.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
Getting done of his what living Watson and the God
of anchors.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
Ah, the God of needs.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Waits, the God of a.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Here is your host, George Hobbs.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
for a special Friday edition of The fact Hunner. It's Friday,
December nineteenth, twenty twenty five. This is a special podcast
slash substack edition. They both released at five am, featuring
the Amy Gonzales story and our good friend Rudy Davis
(00:38):
from Yearjubilee dot com who worked so tiresly with the
Jeremy Brown case and got me connected with Jeremy and
his wife. And you heard the interviews from jail, and
you're going to hear Amy speaking from prison which was
recorded just two days ago.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
And this is.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Such a mind blowing story that someone got life in
prison for cyber stalking, right that Amy Gonzalez was in
Texas when the heinous murders went down in Delaware. And
again before I played the audio of Leonor Mathusowitz ninety
(01:24):
days before she died of brain cancer and the sensing
was handed down I think three days after her brain
cancer surgery. And again we'll have an audio from Amy
that was recorded in prison just two days ago. Take
in what you're about to hear, because again, what happened
(01:45):
was tragic, but it's also precedent setting.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
In the United States of America, life in prison was
imposed for cyber stalking, not murder, not manslaughter, life in
prison for cyber stalking.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He Be Gonzalez was living and working full time as
a registered nurse in Texas in twenty thirteen when two
women were you know, just tragically murdered in the Newcastle
County Courthouse in Delaware, you know, forty five minutes from
where I sit. She was not there, She did not
plan it, she didn't pull a trigger, She committed no
(02:23):
violent crime. The shooter was her father, Thomas Matthuswitz. He
acted alone. He murdered two people in the courthouse lobby,
and then sadly took his own life, right, And we're
not here to dispute those facts. What we're talking about
today is everything that came after. Instead of stopping with
(02:45):
the man who committed the murders, the federal government, you know,
along with the state of government, the state of Delaware,
pardon me, and oh, by the way, bo Biden, you know,
expanded culpability and the lines the rules of law. I
(03:05):
guess turning online this is what I'm trying to get
across to people today, is this is going to be
a precedent down the road for people who say things
that go against the narrative and then someone commits a crime. Well,
if anybody said this online, they're going to get in
trouble because they encouraged it.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Right, That's what this is.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Turning online speech, family conflict association in a something punishable
by prison life in prison. Mayban Gauzalez was convicted of
cyber stalking and conspiracy charges and sentenced to life in
a federal system where parole does not exist. To date,
(03:52):
no other cyber stalking case in American history two hundred
and fifty years has ever resulted in a life not one.
But here's another critical point that was not addressed during
the trial. Whatsoever Thomas Matusowitz had menengiomis in his front
(04:14):
left lobe.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
That is the area of the brain.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Responsible for judgment, impulse control, decision making, and aggression. That matters.
It matters medically, neurologically, and oh yeah, legally, But what happened?
The jury never heard expert testimony explaining how a frontal
lobe tumor can radically impair behavior. And there's hundreds, if
(04:41):
not thousands, of case studies available. Not one neurologist, not
one psychiatrist, not one medical expert, only a brief stipulation
describing the location and size of the tumors with no
explanation of their implications. The soul shooter's mental and neurologic
condition was never fully represented to the jury, and that humission.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Is just gaping. Right.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
But again, another detail that matters is who was in
charge at the time of this prosecution. Bo Biden was
the Attorney General of Delaware, and it's important to remember
that a Biden who has connections to the federal government.
These things are long in place, long before they're used.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
We talk about Reagan the nineteen eighty six Vaccine Act, right,
and now they used it forty years later for warp speed.
And I'm telling you, when they lay the hammer down,
this is going to be a precedent cyberstalking life since.
And again, whether people view bo Biden as a public
(05:49):
servant or a political hitman, it's interesting here in Delaware
how he's looked at. He has looked at differently than
Joe Biden, et cetera. But the reality remains that this
is unprecedented prosecution and sentencing occurred well the state's top.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Law official, watch Right.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
This was a huge case. I was in the Middle
East when this was all going on, far away from Delaware.
Was never on my radar. But it's important that it
created precedent. Right, and this case doesn't just punish past behavior,
(06:29):
it reshapes the future. By stretching cyberstalking statutes to include
indirect consequences caused by a third party, the government has
now opened the door to a terrifying legal theory that
speech can be criminally liable for violence that you had
(06:50):
nothing to do with, if the authorities decide your words
contributed to a narrative that they find unacceptable. And this
should alarm every single person in this country, no matter
if you're a Republican, a Democrat, a libertarian, or someone
like me who was you know, just washed her hands
of everything. But the problem is, once that line is crossed,
(07:12):
it's not going to stop with this family. It applies
to journalists whistleblowers. I fall into both of those categories.
Next week, some of the nonprofits I drop are going
to blow your mind. One of the jingles you hear
all the time on the radio in your car, and
the other one used to watch every labor day back
(07:32):
in the day. They're going to blow your mind. But
anyone who challenges a dominant narrative is going to fall
to this. And again, if speech can be retroactively blamed
for tragedy, then our speech is no longer free. And
that's a big problem. And that is the precedent that
(07:53):
this case sets. But it didn't stop with Amy. Her mother, Leonore,
was sentenced to life in prison from a hospital bed,
just three days after undergoing emergency brain cancer surgery. Pardon me,
emergency brain cancer surgery. And I'm going to.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Play the audio with that sentencing, right.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
She was rushed through sentencing so she could become the
first person in America sentenced to life for cyberstalking. Three
months later, she was dead. That's something far more nefarious
than simply justice. And Amy Gonzalez has been incarcerated since
(08:33):
August twenty thirteen. I believe she's in a federal prison
in Texas. I have her information on the substack article
and I'll post it in the show notes as well.
She was a registered nurse, a breast cancer survivor, a wife,
a mother, never convicted of a violent crime, and her
(08:54):
sentence was life. So what you're about to hear next
is both Amy Gonzalez speaking from inside of federal prison. First,
we're going to play her mother's hospital sentencing from a
hospital bed three days after her surgery, which was very
awkward to listen to. But I want you to ask
(09:16):
you does this punishment fit the crime? Ask yourself whether
this precedent is one that you want standing when the
next controversial case comes along, because life for cyberstalking is
not proportional, it is not humane. And again, guys, once
(09:38):
a line like this is crossed, you know they never
take it back, whether it's nine to eleven, the Patriot
Act and everything we saw in twenty twenty and again,
I want to reinforce this before I play this audio.
I just want to acknowledge Rudy Davis of Year of
Jubilee dot com and his link will be in the
show notes too. He has worked tiresly for so many
(09:59):
people who have been wrongly sentenced, wrongly convicted. And I
mean to say he works titled. He probably spends eighteen
hours a day working for these people. And he's a servant.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Of Jesus Christ. He truly is.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
But he has worked tirelessly to keep Amy Gonzalez case
in the public eye when most people stop paying attention.
And he emailed me again two days ago, and I
owe it to him to do this. I looked at
it and it's just it's alarming. Right by the way, again,
Rudy brought that same persistence and courage that we did too.
We joined on and it helped lead to Jeremy Brown's
(10:38):
pardon early this year. Right, we will continue to stand
where many will not. So God bless you, Rudy, And
without any further ado, the first audio we're going to
play is a federal judge you don't actually hear the sentencing,
which I don't know why Delaware Online didn't include that.
But at the end of this, a federal judge sentenced
Leonor Matusowitz to life in prison at an emergency hearing
(11:03):
because they wanted to make sure again that the sentence
was handed down before she died. This is she is
sitting in a hospital bed in Philadelphia as this is
being read to her.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Missus mantissuwits I noted.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
That you're here in your hospital bed.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
But this is the point in a proceeding where if
someone would like, they can address the judge.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
And there may be many things on.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Your mind, man, and many things that you would want
to say, But what I would ask you to limit
yourself to is anything you think I need to hear
as a judge before imposing a sentence.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
That would really be what i'd ask you to focus on.
Is there anything you would like to say on that subject, man, Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
My husband was at the SUNA for several years in
violentin Jersey. He always said that I was too good
and that he was He had to find a way
to bring me down or make me look bad or whatever.
(12:10):
So he said he does going to find a way
to do that. Obviously he did, and I don't know
why he did what he did. He h He hated
(12:33):
the fact that Christine didn't love David, she only loved
his money, and that she didn't love their children. He
couldn't understand that because he and I both believed that
children were gifts from God, and if you get a
gift from God, you loved them. But he didn't. She
(12:56):
didn't love them, and he couldn't understand that anyway, when
she when she started hurting them.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
This is beyond sentencing now, ma'am. Okay, that was part
of the trial in the case, and there has been
evidence about all those things.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
And we're now at a point though.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Where based upon a jury verdict, I must consider a sentence,
and so could I ask you please to focus on that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm not sure I understand.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Is there anything I need to hear as the judge
before pronouncing a sentence?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Okay? As a policeman, my husband wouldn't tell me anything
that he was working on. He said, you've been read
it in the newspaper. You don't need to know the
rest of the facts. As part of his is decision
(14:03):
to kill Christine, he never told any of us about that.
He just did it and that was the way he was.
I don't know it from the Veninzuoma. I don't know
if it was part of his training, but he just
did what he did and none of us knew what
(14:25):
was coming.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
All right, anything else you'd like me to here?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Then, I'm a Catholic and I would like to be
less before I am disposed.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Of That is beyond my jurisdiction, but I'm sure the family,
and I'm sure that if you are in the custody
of the Bureau of Prisons, they will honor that request.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
I understand, thank you, missmatiulates is there eight other ones
or anything else that you.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Would like to address of court. No, you're a thank you,
mister McCall.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Just very briefly, your honor. It's our position throughout this
case that Christine Belford loved her children, took excellent care
of her children, and was an excellent mother who did
not deserve the fate in which she found herself.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
And I understand the government's position in that regard. And
I would have to add I believe the jury in
his verdict, not only understood the government's position in that regard,
but specifically gained such a finding that Christine Belford was
a good mother, and that Christine Belford in no way
abused her children, and that Christine Belford did not deserve
the faith that she met.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And next, we're going to play Amy Gonzalez again. This
was from December sixteenth, twenty twenty five. This runs about
nine minutes.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
My name is Amy Gonzales, and until twelve years ago
I had never been in trouble with the law. I
had been a registered nurse. There's nineteen ninety two, a wife,
a mother, a sister, and a woman committed to saving lives,
not taking them. Today, I am serving life in federal
prison without parole for crimes I did not commit, crimes
connected to a tragedy caused by my father, whose long
(16:08):
standing brain tumor had profoundly affected his judgment. My federal
case number is one thirteen CR. Eighty three GAM three
in the United States District Court of Delaware. I right
now because I am out of option, yet still determined
to fight for my freedom after twelve years of incarceration
(16:30):
without without a single disclinarian fraction. I'm asking not for money,
but for political and moral support, for someone willing to
look deeper into the facts of my case to recognize
the profound injustice that has taken place my life before
the tragedy. For twenty six years, I have been married
to my soulmate want. We raised two children. My daughter
(16:51):
Tatiana now twenty and my son Christopher, now thirty four,
met more than a decade without their mother. At the
time of my arrest, I was the sole financial provider
and working full time as a nurse, even while battling
breast cancer and undergoing multiple surgeries. I'm also the sister
of David Matuthois, an optometrist who once owned a thriving practice,
(17:15):
even went through a painful divorce from his wife, Christine Belford.
Our family became deeply concerned about the well being of
the three daughters. They shared if the children were being
physically and sexually abused. Following the advice of a national
organization called Unite for Justice, we posted our concerns online
in hopes it would prompt intervention and protection for the girls.
(17:37):
It was a desperate attempt to help children we genuinely
believe were in danger. Decision that changed everything. I think
had a fear and desperation and convinced that the children
were unfathed my brother and my mother, who led the
country with David's daughters. I truly believed that my brother
an intelligent. This call is from a federal prison. I
(17:58):
truly believed that my brother an intelligi's education driven man
felt this was the only way to protect them. Nevertheless,
both he and my mother were arrested, returned to the US,
and convicted of international frenchal kidnapping and endangering the welfare
of a child. Nothing that Foley could have been predicted
tragedy at the courthouse on February eleventh, twenty thirteen, while
(18:21):
suffering from a massive left frontal lobement in Gioma he
had battled since nineteen ninety, my father, Thomas Mattooswitz, made
a catastrophic, incomprehensible decision, shot and killed my former sister
in law, Christine Dlford and her friends Laura Lawford, and
then took his own life in the lobby of the
Delaware Courthouse. My father's impairments, his memory loss, distorted judgment,
(18:43):
impaired reasoning, and episodes of aggression were never fully presented
at trial. Medical expert prepared to testify never reached the stand.
Only a two setence stipulation was read to the jury,
noting the location in size of his tumor. I've lived
every day wishing I could undo what happened, but none
of us had the power to foresee or prevent his actions.
(19:05):
In dightment trial and life sentences. Still in Shock and Greece,
my mother, brother and I were invited for cyber stalking
resulting in death he received to commit cyberstalkings, interstate stalking,
and aiding and abetting my father. I sed for constitutional
right to a trial, and we lost. All three of
us were sentenced to life in federal prisons with no
(19:26):
possibility of parole. Real prison life is not symbolic. Life
means death behind bars. For mother's death in prison, mother
Lenor Matoswitz, was sentenced in a hospital bed only ten
days after bring tumor surgery. Officials arranged in emergency sentencing
in case she died beforehand. The audio of it was
(19:46):
posted online for the world to hear. Her final words
recorded and exposed. She was given just three months to live.
Instead of being granted compassionate release, she was placed on
hospice in a prison cell. She died in agony on
Mother's weekend in two thousy sixteen. My brother and I
continue to fight for justice, but the legal resistance is overwhelming.
(20:07):
Our case is presidential, meaning that ger returning it would
impact others facing similar charges. We have become political casualties
of a much larger legal battle. Domino effect on my
family tragedy didn't end at the courthouse. It spread through
every corner of my family's life.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
When I was.
Speaker 8 (20:24):
Arrested, Chris Christopher was only eighteen. I was in the
middle of rolling him in college. Devastated and alone, he
fell into depression and moved back to New Jersey. By
God's grace, he still managed to complete a degree in
computer analysis. Vaughn and our daughter, Tasiana, only seven at
the time, remained alone in Texas with no family for support.
(20:45):
Entire retirement fund was spent just to keep them in
our home, but after four years they were forced to
sell it. Ripped into my parents' old double white trailer,
which was badly in need of repairs. An now survives
only on fifteen thousand dollars a year in SSI disability
why while battling depression, panic attacks, PTSD, anxiety, and agoraphobia.
(21:06):
After the collapse of this entire family, Autiana has suffered emotionally, spiritually,
and financially. Our faith once anchored our family, but this
trauma shattered hers. The hardest part of my incarceration has
been watching my daughters use her belief in God. The
hardest part of sorry. Fifteen minute phone calls cannot replace
a mother's presence. I missed every milestone of her first
(21:27):
period or first heartbreak, her first achievements relied on the
kindness of others. For mothers to guide her when I couldn't,
like Clarissa, who gently explained to my daughter the changes
of growing up and angel and angels. Like Missus Brea,
her middle school English teacher, who read Taziana's essay titled
(21:48):
something Traumatic in My Life. Tatiana broke down crying. Missus
Sara embraced her and later paid eight hundred dollars out
of her own pocket so Taziana could join her classmates
on a school trip to university about her My daughter
would have stayed home, excluded again way of Greece after
the core House shooting. I was allowed only one week
(22:09):
off to greeb and exhausted my PTO on breast cancer surgery.
After long shifts at the hospital, I cried on the
back porch, my daughter finding me and asking when her Grandma,
Uncle Dave and pop Up would come home. A month later,
I took her to my parents' ranch and explained for
the first time what death meant, that we would not
(22:29):
see pop Up and again until Heaven. Our scream, the
kind of scream that comes to a child's soul, will
halt me forever. When my father's belonged me for returns,
I found Tottown as kindergarten graduation. The photo in his
wallet buried it everywhere. Buyers for Disney trips continued to
arrive in the mail vacations. He planned to take her on,
(22:50):
but never would, worried he had neglected her by not
taking her like he had his other grandchildren. Where I
stand today, twelve years have passed. I have worked in
clerical and leadership roles in prison, maintained perfect disciplinary conduct,
and held on to faith that someone would finally look
at this case and with courage and clarity. I cannot
(23:12):
change my father's actions. I am deeply, profoundly sorry for
the life loss. I pray for Christine and Laura's families
every day. I have seen people convicted. I pray for
Christine and Laura's families, but said I did not intend, encourage,
or foresee violence of any kind. People convicted of murder,
(23:34):
of rape, and brutal assaults received far lighter senses than mine.
I mentioned this not to diminish tragedy, but to illuminate
the magnitude of injustice in my own situation. Thease help us.
My brother and I are running out of options. If
then denied repeatedly in higher courts, without outside support, without
someone brave enough to examine what truly happened, we fear
(23:56):
we will die in prison like our mother. If you
are case documents on PACER, I also share evidence and
information on my website www dot Year of Jubilee dot
com slash Amy's I E A R O S j
U b I l e dot com slash A M Y.
I am a mother. I'm a woman, a mother, a wife,
(24:19):
a nurse, and a breast cancer survivor. I am also
a human being who is broken, who has endured a
measurable loss and historical youth and justice. Please help us
and help us enough, respectfully, Amy Catalas wife's mother, registered
Nurses nineteen ninety two at Press, Cancer Survivor. Thank you
for your time, and I thank you for letting me
(24:41):
read this, and I thank you for hearing news call.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's from a federal prison, and there you go.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It's kind of odd hearing it, just like we heard
the same recordings from Jeremy. Typically for federal cyberstalking under
US Code six, the maximum sentence is typically five years
in prison. There was a case that had aggravating factors.
A person received ten years, but again this case set
(25:13):
a new precedent and can now be extended to life
in prison if it results in death. And again it's
a dangerous, dangerous precedence and obviously prayers to all involved.
This incident that took place a decade over a decade ago,
(25:38):
still has so many ramifications and affected so many lives.
So there you go. God bless you all. Thank you
for taking that, for taking the time to listen. I
would hope that you would take a moment subscribe to
the sub stack. We have a lot more, just some
mind blowing information coming out next week on a few
(25:59):
nonprofits and.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
More podcasts coming away. God bless each and every.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
One of you. Keep your head on a swivel and
Christ in your heart.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Have a great weekend. We'll see you.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
I know it's been a struggle. I don't know you've
had spain. I know you feel the tied, tell doubt
all the way.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, don't you feel it? You smile, ain't the same
I saw were gone from you. I feel like you've
lost your way.
Speaker 10 (26:45):
Don't give it, no, don't give it. Never is home
don't let go the Primise eat ain't done yet, he's
got I'm glad.
Speaker 11 (26:56):
Wow, it's a way.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
God let me come?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
What right.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
He called?
Speaker 9 (27:15):
I can see the street beside you. Childs are putting
up the five. Oh you're stronger than anything.
Speaker 10 (27:26):
You are.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, you're gone and be all right. You're accepting a
dead ni beautiful, you're shoving ride.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, you're living, breathing, moveing. You can hold your.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
Head a pie.
Speaker 11 (27:49):
Don't give up, No, don't give in. Neverthless home. Don't
they gone on the Primis? It ain't done yet, it's gone.
Speaker 10 (27:59):
I want some wainetail. The God of mem Come. Don't
give up, No, don't give in, never on this home.
Don't let go on the Primise. It ain't kind of life.
It's worth living.
Speaker 11 (28:17):
Wat's a play town?
Speaker 5 (28:18):
The God of Babel.
Speaker 11 (28:25):
Why a play down? Contam cold? Oh yeah, what's a
play down? The god baby Colt? Oh yeah, gottam cold? Oh,
(28:53):
don't give up, No, don't give in.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Never's home?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Do they go?
Speaker 11 (28:59):
The Primise me?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Don yas got up? Playing waits and God of if
it calls, don't give no dog giving any never hold,
don't let go of the primes.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
Getting done of his what living Watson and the God
of anchors.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
Ah, the God of needs.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Waits, the God of a.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
Just the facts, ma'am.
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