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July 16, 2023 30 mins
A recent tweet by MSNBC of an article about far-right and white supremacist radicalization in fitness and combat sports like mixed martial arts has drawn substantial attention and controversy to an issue that I have long viewed as imperative to protecting democracy and helping progressive movements gain support from young men in particular. Exposing these issues and the nefarious characters starting white supremacist MMA gyms and online groups is important, but rhetoric should be designed to show that the left does not oppose fitness and combat sports themselves. In fact, left should be involved in fitness and combat sports, create alternatives for populations vulnerable to bad actors, and can both prevent radicalization and provide much benefit to the fitness community. There is a way to balance both the need for body positivity and the desire of many to become strong athletes and realize their full potential. Leftism and progressivism must not be known as the ideologies of weakness and defeat.

MSNBC article by Cynthia Miller-Idriss about white supremacist and far-right groups recruiting through online fitness communities:
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/pandemic-fitness-trends-have-gone-extreme-literally-n1292463?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma&taid=64abebca8cb4af0001865cf7&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter


Article about the controversy surrounding the MSNBC article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12284617/amp/MSNBC-op-ed-slammed-online-claiming-working-linked-far-right-politics.html


If you are interested in preventing radicalization in fitness communities and creating a positive, progressive, leftist approach to fitness, I have more insights in these episodes:
https://podcast.greysonpeltier.com/wp/2022/12/22/toward-an-inclusive-progressive-approach-to-bodybuilding-physique-and-strength-sports/

Episode on Liver King, right-wing fitness influencers, and how progressives can contribute to and influence the fitness narrative:
https://podcast.greysonpeltier.com/wp/2022/12/15/liver-king-and-why-fitness-communities-matter-for-inclusion-and-progressive-organizing/

As I discussed, pro wrestling has some amazing examples with progressive and leftist athletes showing a new path for positive masculinity, fitness, and combat sports. Adam Page is one of my favorite exemplars of this and my article “Can A Millennial Cowboy Wrestler’s Ways Help Save Our Social and Political Discourse?” will introduce you to his story and the lessons from his approach: https://podcast.greysonpeltier.com/wp/2021/07/28/can-a-millennial-cowboy-wrestlers-ways-save-our-social-and-political-discourse/

Fighting Toxic Masculinity with Pro Wrestling episode:
https://podcast.greysonpeltier.com/wp/2023/01/14/fighting-toxic-masculinity-with-pro-wrestling-adam-page-for-president/

Article discussing narratives of “redemptive combat,” a new approach we can take to help young men see their strength in a non-toxic manner:
https://www.prowrestlingmusings.com/post/entering-jon-moxley-s-narrative-of-redemptive-combat


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(00:01):
This is the Fixer Punk podcast,the podcast that considers it's time at the
gym to be opposition research. I'mGrayson Peltier. So a tweet about an
article from MSNBC, which was actuallyan old article, ignited a firestorm that's
been going on for quite some time, and I've been talking about this as

(00:24):
well for quite some time myself.The tweet reads the far rights obsession with
fitness is going digital, and itcites to an article. It links to
an article that is actually from twentytwenty two talking about the far rights groups

(00:45):
in the fitness space and their attemptsto recruit people specifically in combat sports and
MMA, which is a topic thatI have covered very extensively on this podcast,
and I just thought that i'd bringit up again given that there's been
this media firestorm and a lot ofpeople we're even talking about Elon Musk himself
going in there and trying to Rebutthis old article that ms ABC just out

(01:08):
of nowhere retweeted or decided to publisha new tweet on and it brings up
a lot of very important points.Number One, the article itself does explain
how the far right has been usingfitness as a recruitment tool, which is
a disturbing trend that is very,very real and that really needs to be

(01:30):
addressed. And this is one ofthe biggest issues that I have brought up
on this podcast have been one ofthe most continuing themes and one of the
consequences though, and this is reallyabout a confluence of the rhetoric that's been
going on on the left for awhile. Is this reaction basically identifying fitness

(01:51):
as being something that is anathema tothe left, even though that's not the
point, and that is exactly theopposite of what we should be aiming for.
You see all these you can seea meme like I saw a meme
of like somebody running fast and liftingweights, and they're saying, oh,
yeah, that's or this is ait's a conservative meme, but it's saying
like, when this guy's running fast, that's white supremacy, that's fascism.

(02:15):
And the article itself is very good, it's written by somebody who's a professor
and an expert in extremism and radicalization, but it awoken this knee jerk reaction
from the right, which of coursethey're always going to misinterpret everything. You
say, but what has happened overthe years is that the left has disengaged

(02:38):
itself from fitness and distanced itself fromit quite a bit, and I think
that is serving to the political detrimentof the left, and the right is
in fact exploiting it. So thearticle here says that people and are initially
lured with health tips and strategies forpositive physical changes. Now new recruits are

(03:00):
later invited to close chat groups wherefar right content is shared. And yes,
this is definitely happening, and it'sespecially in the MMA space, and
there's this a lot of these narrativesaround strength, and I talk about that
quite a bit, and I amgoing to link a good amount of my
work on this subject in the description, so I'm not having to explain everything

(03:22):
again on this podcast. But whatI do want to come here and I
want to really bring home is thatit's very important that the progressive side stays
engaged with fitness, because fitness itselfis not fascist. Everybody's been going around
saying, oh wow, they're sayingthat fitness and being in really good shape
and MMA and fighting and bodybuilding andpowerlifting and stuff like that, that is

(03:43):
a sign of fascism. It isn'tIt is just that these groups have latched
onto it as a way of spreadingtheir ideology. The article what it states
here and this article from MSNBC iswritten by Cynthia A. Miller a Dress,
and her article states, the intersectionof extremism and fitness leans into a

(04:08):
shared obsession with the male body,training, masculinity, testosterone, strength,
and competition. Physical fitness training,especially in combat sports, appeals to the
far right for many reasons. Fightersare trained to accept significant physical pain to
be warriors, and to embrace messagingaround solidarity, heroism, and brotherhood.
It's championed as a tool to helpfight the quote unquote coming race war and

(04:30):
the street battles that will proceed it. And yes, this is definitely a
bit of a disturbing situation, actuallya very disturbing situation, because even in
very like kind of plain vanilla fitnessspaces that aren't far right, there is
a political bias toward conservative ideas.And I have to say part of this

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is the fault of the left fordisengaging in these spaces and dissing it.
I understand body positivity and I thinkthat it is is an important thing for
many people who are suffering mental healthconsequences and also worsening their health and not
actually improving it as a result offat shaming, body shaming, all of
those types of things. However,it has gotten to the point where there

(05:17):
has become enough that the right cansay, well, progressives are fully against
and leftists are fully against fitness andphysical training, which couldn't really couldn't be
further from the truth. And thatis a small minority of the left that's
bringing that up, but it hasbecome the overwhelming narrative. And now when
we're trying to go in and say, well, this is an issue and

(05:39):
we need to ensure that young mendon't get radicalized. A young man who
is into fitness, bodybuilding, mmais not going to see anything on the
left as being a positive thing,because they are going to think that the
left is trying to make him weakor emasculate him when he wants to practice
a sport and wants to be engagedin fitness in a certain way and doesn't

(06:02):
want to be shamed for that.And we need to start to reduce that
perception and have positive exemplars on theleft as well. And there are some
great examples of that. Ill Sincewe're talking about combat sports, I've spoken
quite a bit about professional wrestling,and there are a lot of great athletes

(06:24):
in professional wrestling that really show veryvery strong masculine all of these characteristics that
men are looking up to, butalso very strong progressivism. The example that
I often go to his Hangman AdamPage, former AW World champion. He
is very traditionally what you think ofas like a very conservative masculine guy.

(06:45):
He's a cowboy actually legitimately a cowboy, grew up on a farm with cattle
and all of that, and verybig, strong, very effective fighter with
very intense moves, and he bothdiscusses the issue of eating disorders and body

(07:08):
positivity while also seeking to enable andempower people to make changes in their health
and their fitness and change their physiqueand engage athletically. He had this thing
going called the Full Year Challenge,which was sort of a fitness challenge launched
off of a skit on his YouTubeseries with a lot of the other AW

(07:29):
wrestlers being the elite, and theapproach actually at the end of it,
because it started with him being bodyshamed by fellow wrestlers and leaders as part
of this whole segment, as partof the whole skit basically, but the
way that he explains it is actuallyvery very good, and we need to

(07:53):
find that balance. We need tofind that balance of both addressing the whole
body positive ativity issue and making surethat people are not being shamed, but
also encouraging fitness and strength and theseforms of athleticism on the progressive side so

(08:13):
that young people don't think, especiallyyoung men, don't think that this is
strictly a right wing viewpoint. Andalso just having representation in this space because
you'll have these groups are very activeon social media. What this researcher found,
what other researchers have found, isthat people will go in through social
media, they'll find health and fitnessadvice, or they'll go into MMA related

(08:35):
spaces. This specific one, thisspecific article came out earlier on in the
pandemic, and they're talking about onlinegroups where they were basically going in and
having these Telegram groups that started outas like fitness chat groups, but then
they're becoming but they're becoming extreme whitesupremacist and extremist groups, and they're giving

(09:01):
them these ideas and these things thathelp them. And the thing is that
a lot of the fitness advice mayactually wind up working for some of these
people, and some of these menwill feel very strong, because there's a
very very positive thing to feeling veryvery strong, and it changes one's confidence.
When you change your physique and yourhealth and you start to look and
feel stronger, that makes you feela lot better as a person. I

(09:22):
felt it myself as somebody who worksout quite regularly, I've understand that.
And there's also an a component oflike strength and a masculine desire to show
a certain level of strength and wantingto believe that you can fight and all
of that, and those are allthings that can be channeled in a very
positive way. But these far rightgroups are channeling it in a very negative

(09:43):
way. And of course physique isa big part of it. I think
that obviously, again, body positivityis a very positive thing that we need
to have so that people don't feelso bad about themselves, because literally the
fat shaming can actually make you gainweight because of all the mental health challenges.
But what you have to do isyou have to find that balance and
be able to say, yes,it is possible to change your physique as

(10:07):
possible, to bodybuild and work competitivelyand engage in that as a sport,
to change your physique, and toachieve a more masculine look, to achieve
that extremely strong look that looks reallyit looks really good, looks like you
could beat somebody up if you're trainingin and if you're training for a fight

(10:28):
or MMA or any of the combatsports. And I think that this phrase
that Adam Page said actually really encapsulatesit. So at the conclusion of his
whole Full Gear Challenge, where hereally improved his fitness and was training for
a championship match against a wrestler thatis known for having a very very chiseled

(10:50):
bodybuilder physique named Pack, he said, let's all keep working to better ourselves,
but never forget that you're always goodenough for full gear, and full
gear is wrestling gear, so thatis that's that's the ideal here. The
ideal here is that you keep workingto better yourself, but you always recognize

(11:11):
that you're still good enough, andthat aim will actually make people feel better
long term. And the fact thatif we don't just go and say,
well, you're desired to get toget in amazing shape, your desire to
get to get bulging biceps in asix pack is toxic masculinity. If we
don't just reject it and send peopleoff on their merry way and just keep

(11:35):
correcting them like it's some sort ofsin, then we have room to give
positive narratives that can really benefit menand allow them to become what they want
to be, while also still acceptingwhere they are right now. And this
is something that that I think isalmost urgent at this point because she's explained

(12:00):
that in other countries they're already andthis obviously there's a practicality to it.
There's a practicality to it as well, or at least acclaimed practicality, which
is to be able to do selfdefense and to physically fight in when they're
protests and counter protests and stuff likethat. So there have been, according

(12:22):
to this article from MSNBC, mixedmartial arts and boxing gyms in Ukraine,
Canada and France focused on training farright nationalists in violent hand to hand combat
and street fighting techniques. And it'scaught the attentions of intelligence authorities and they're
saying that sports associations and gems inGermany, Poland and the UK are trying

(12:48):
to prevent these things from happening,and it is now coming to the US.
And one of the examples that shegave is these far right MM active
clubs, which we're launched by someof the people that are behind the Charlottesville,
the deadly Charlottesville Unite the Right rally. Robert Rundo of the Rise Above

(13:16):
movement is behind these active MMA clubs. And if we don't intercept these things
now, and we don't have aclear alternative, because if you're interested in
these things and you want to pursuethem, what you're hearing from the left
right now is you're just hearing no, no, no, you can't do

(13:39):
that. That makes you a badperson. That makes you a bad person,
that makes you toxic masculinity, thatmakes you intolerant, and that couldn't
be for that again, that's nottrue. So we need to build that
alternative and show these exemplars of peoplewho are very progressive and who are both
excelling in terms of fitness, bodybuilding, aesthetics, those types of things,

(14:01):
and also in the combat sports realmas well. And that's going to be
one of the that's one of thepriorities around here at the Fixer Punk Podcast.
I'm clearly not the person to doit, at least not yet.
I'm not the person to do it, but we want to highlight these examples

(14:22):
and we want to create this newnarrative around it, and I think one
way to do this to not haveit be associated with all these things that
certain tendencies on the left will havea knee jerk reaction to. Because as
important as these articles are, asimportant as these narratives are, they tend

(14:45):
to become very polarizing. They tendto get people who are on the right
to say, oh, yeah,well, that means that fitness is a
far right thing because you're saying itit's a self fulfilling prophecy. Then people
who are fit and involved in combatsports are going to wind up on the
right because they see it as,oh, yes, the left is against
this whole package of things. Sothe messaging has to be very careful around
it. One way to view itis to view these is to view these

(15:13):
things as sort of a creative athleticendeavor, like you could like there's definitely
been an increase in the use offitness and gym training in some of the
more creative type sports, like like, if you're talking about things where you
don't necessarily associate it sports that arelegitimately sports, but you don't necessarily associate

(15:35):
with like fitness and going to thegym and all that stuff like surfing and
skateboarding. You can view fitness asa means to a creative endeavor and a
means to creative freedom and as toone's ability to basically engage in art with
their body. And I think that'sone way to frame it that I think
could be a way that some peopleon the left to have these reactions might

(16:00):
see it a little bit differently,as it's not a matter of like conformity
or conformity to a masculine standard,but it's a form of creativity. And
I think especially the art form aroundprofessional wrestling is compared to say something like
like mma could also be very beneficialin that as well, because it is
a performance art. You are performingsomething for an audience, you're performing combat

(16:23):
for an audience, and the physicalappearance of the character is a part of
it. Now, that doesn't meanyou have to be perfect. I think
that there's this really ridiculous old schoolidea in professional wrestling of that everybody has
to look like a bodybuilder, whichone of the really positive things about MMA
is that's kind of shown us thatpeople who are very very strong fighters look

(16:45):
very differently like Sometimes when I'm inthe gym both working out and doing my
opposition research, and part of thatis because my gym has a good amount
of TVs on Fox News some ofthe time. For some it used to
be there were like three TVs.There was even once where I was on
Newsmax. And I rarely see anyprogressive T shirts. I think sometimes like

(17:11):
I don't have many progressive t shirts. Really have one from a podcast I
really like called Head in the Office, which is a good weekly news podcast.
I'll link them in the description too, So if you're looking for a
more weekly political news podcast, Ireally recommend Head in the Office. But
when the TV and the when I'mnot looking at the TV in the gym

(17:32):
that has Fox News on it,oftentimes there'll be some sort of MMA fighting
on ESPN or one of the randomsports channels, and sometimes you'll watch these
fights and sometimes these guys will justnot look like they're this extremely jacked figure.
You don't they don't all look likeRock Lesner, some of they'll be

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really like thinner, and some ofthem will even be kind of overweight looking
with with a gut and mma iskind of normalizing. Oh yeah, a
fighter doesn't necessarily have to be lookthat look in that perfect way that you'd
immediately think of. And that's alsoanother way that that progressives can be part

(18:18):
of the narrative is understand that beingengaged in these types of sports doesn't necessarily
mean that you have to conform tothat esthetic and that standard, and it
can create a more positive culture whereyou're not because there is also an extremism
in terms of even fitness outside thepolitical realm, there's an extremism within fitness

(18:40):
communities and even within competitive sports interms of physique and terms of people being
body shamed. Even in like likeracing competition type sports like track and field,
there's a whole scandal especially around womenand in swimming. I was hearing
about whole scandal around skin fold bodyfat testing that a lot of especially young

(19:03):
women but also young men basically becamevery traumatized by their body got body dysmorphia,
wound up with eating disorders because theywere being held to excessively low standards
of body fat to try to makeswimming teams and having a progressive voice in
there who is willing to be ableto modulate and say, well, no,

(19:26):
you don't have to do this,this is actually detrimental to performance,
this is not necessary. That voicecan be very positive for the athlete and
for the whole community, as wellas also helping to act as a protective
influence against fascist, far right ideologiestaking over these spaces. So we're creating
a net benefit for everybody involved.We're not just going in there and using

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this as a recruiting ground for ourpolitical ideas. We are in fact making
these communities a better place for everybody, regardless of political affiliate affiliation, because
we're willing to break in deep fromthese old norms. But returning to the
topic of these combat sports, whatwe can look here and what we can

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see is that these things are aform of expression and that we want to
be a part of it, andwe want to allow people to feel free
to become their best self. AndI think that's really the selling point of
all progressive ideas that we need tocome down to, is that people can
become their best selves and express themselvesas their best selves with a society that

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supports them to become those things andgives them what they need in order to
succeed, whether they're going to betraditionally traditionally masculine or feminine, or if
they're going to be something else thatour ideas allow them to do that.
And our community more importantly, embracespeople and has an acceptance for people regardless

(21:00):
of which path they choose to take, and that includes taking these fitness and
athletic paths as well, and allowingpeople to better themselves and not feel guilty
about bettering themselves. And I thinkthere are a lot of great progress in
this. There's a lot of greatprogress, and we can look to a

(21:21):
lot of examples. Some other examplesin professional wrestling that you might want to
look into. Our Brian Danielson andZach Saber Jr. Both very very very
athletic, very strong fighters, andthey expouse pretty far left ideas, actually
pretty far far left ideas like GreenParty and stuff like that. And the

(21:48):
more we highlight those examples, becausewe've already we've gotten the message out there
about how the left embraces body positivityand how the left helps people to accept
up themselves into if you're in asituation in life that you really can't change,
how we're here to help. Butwe also want to be there and
say that we are there for peoplethat are working to better themselves and are

(22:11):
trying to become better, whether that'seconomically or whether that's physically. In terms
of fitness, we're there for thattoo. We're there for you, and
we're making your community a better placeBy introducing more progressive ideas, we are
going to allow you to have thatfreedom and also give you better information in
many cases in terms of fitness.Because people in these far right spaces,

(22:34):
if somebody is being victimized enough tobelieve in white supremacy, there are all
kinds of other things that you couldsell them on. There's all kinds of
scams, and the right is filledwith grifters all the way back to the
infomercials on talk radio. The farright is filled with grifters and who knows

(22:55):
what kind of including like I've spokenabout liver king and those ancestry role diets
and all of that stuff. Andbecause on the progressive side, we tend
to have a lot of scientists andpeople who have who have a good scientific
thinking, we can provide better informationand we can say well, no,
that's not actually real, and possiblyhelp people get to overall better outcome,

(23:18):
even in terms of their physique,their athletic performance, their body composition,
all while not shaming them, andwhile being there to help them along their
journey, without all of this oppressiveblame and shame. Because because this blame
and shame, in this insanity thatI'm pretty sure ensues in these far right
telegram groups, it probably only worksfor even a small percentage of the target

(23:42):
population of men. But they onlyneed a small percentage of people in order
to do what they want to do. Then that we can help and impact
more people as well. And thenI do want to also say as a
final note, that a lot ofthis stuff is really it is very performative.

(24:07):
Whether whether they want to admit itor not. They're claiming that this
is to prepare people for some sortof war, but that isn't how political
revolutions work in the modern era.And there is pretty extensive literature on this
stuff, like of course self defensethings like that that can become important in
the context of being into a physicalfight. But we're not fighting very physical

(24:33):
wars like that using hand to handcombat. So as much as the far
right wants to say these things,a lot of it is just as a
way of making men feel a certainway. They want these men who are
training and coming into their MMA gemsto feel like they're a part of something
bigger than just themselves, even ifthey're lying to them. But unfortunately,

(24:53):
rhetoric can have negative impacts and peoplethey can internalize it in the wrong way.
So a lot of this is frankly, to borrow another professional wrestling phase
phrase, kvebe, this is kvebe. They are making these things up to
make men feel like, oh,yes, I am getting strong and now

(25:14):
I'm going to become the fiercest warrioragainst all the libtards, when in reality
you're never going to have to dothat. But it's fine to train in
combat sports martial arts. There arevery positive uses of that. It can
be a very positive influence if youpractice these disciplines in a good way and

(25:36):
without all these hateful ideologies. Solet's embrace that. Let's understand that that
type of strength can be channeled ina positive way and we can be involved
in these communities and we don't haveto shy away from them, and it's
essential that we don't because the morewe stay away from them, the more

(26:00):
the far right ideologies will metastasize,and the stronger the association gets. The
more we say no, no,no. Getting shredded is fatphobic, bodybuilding
is an intolerant ideology, mma isonly for far right people, the more
it's going to become. So ofcourse we have to call out the bad

(26:22):
stuff that's going on. You haveto call out all of these terribly hateful
groups and you have to do somethingabout it. But you do something about
it by both calling them out,showing them for what they are, showing
their ideas to be ridiculous even ontheir own face. You can even rebut

(26:45):
their fitness ideas directly if they're spoutingsome sort of nonsense about raw meat,
diets, ancestral this nonsensical supplements.Expose them for those things alongside the political
things as well, and then you'regoing to start to see some progress there.

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And you have a presence, youhave an alternative. You're giving people
an alternative. So it's not justthat we were broadening the menu of choices
that a young man who wants tobecome strong, and who wants to improve
their lives and become athletic and fit. Has it's either crazed far right group

(27:32):
or just sitting down, laying downand getting unhealthy and not being not liking
what they see in the mirror.And then just no longer. And then
and then because of that, you'reno longer hearing the bullying of of your

(27:53):
of your being toxically masculine. We'rebrought ending the option to say no.
You have an option of positive masculinity, of strength, of learning your sport,
your discipline, but also having anattitude in the mindset to benefit other
people and to truly help your community, and using the strength and the toughness

(28:17):
and the discipline you gain from thereto become both a better person and a
better contributor to your community. SoI'm going to link some articles and some
prior episodes in the description as well, And I hope this has served as
a bit of encouragement to understand thatthere is there is hope. There is

(28:41):
hope, and we should not disengagefrom these communities, and we should know
how to engage them skillfully and thoughtfully. And if you happen to be in
the advocacy space. If you arein a political organization or an advocacy organization

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(29:26):
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