September 17, 2023 • 32 mins
I discuss the issues workers who are not able to fit into the normal 9-5 workplace environment, such as those with disabilities, stay-at-home parents, and caregivers, have long faced and the myriad of ways capitalism has taken advantage of them, from MLM scams and at-home business scams that have existed for many years, to YouTube gurus, to gig work platforms that pay severely below minimum wage, to chaotic, risky investment methods like those popularized by Wall Street Bets. Labor organizing and progressive policy change can create change for these most vulnerable workers, who are also often performing some of the most important work of our society uncompensated as caregivers or in raising children. Remote and gig workers workers absolutely should be folded into the union resurgence we have seen recently. This “invisible” population of exploited workers deserves visibility. I also explain the issues with local governments pushing for return to office to “save downtowns” and how good Federal leadership is needed to show the larger policy benefits to vulnerable populations and the environment of maintaining remote work.
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This is the fixer Punk podcast,the podcast that hopes that the UAW gets
all of its demands, but especiallyit's demand for a thirty two hour work
week to set the standard for therest of the country. I'm Greyson Peltier,
So on today's episode, I wantedto talk about the need for flexible
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work with dignity and the ways thatcapitalism exploits those who really really need a
flexible working environment or arrangement, especiallywith the whole return to office push,
which we've talked about quite a bitin the last It's probably been in the
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themes of the last three episodes,but especially a little bit more on the
last one, talking about the returnto office push, how it disproportionately affects
people with disabilities, people who livefurther from major cities, people who have
caregiving responsibilities, whether that's a caregiverfor an older person or for or caring
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for a child, stay at homemom. And this has been a theme
that's actually been going on for along long time about how capitalism crushes those
who are desperate to get flexible workand those who really need it. And
I've never i haven't done a dedicatedepisode to this particular issue, so I
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thought I'd go into this. Iknow that we have a couple other topics
where we have series going, whichthose are the ones around the different areas
of personal growth influencers, the AndrewHuberman's, the personal finance ones that I've
been talking about like Dave Ramsey andCaleb Hammer. Those critiques are still coming,
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but I felt like I need toget to this issue first and do
a one off episode. And again, this is the first time we're recording
on the TikTok are actually not thefirst time. This is the second time
we're recording on the TikTok Live.And I want to say hi to anybody
who's joined us, and I amglad you're here. The Fixer Punk podcast
is available on all major podcast platforms, so you can join us after there.
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Thank you for joining everybody, ButI'm going to get on with the
episode. So we've had this hasactually been around for quite some time.
I know that the whole idea ofremote work or work from home, those
things, the gig economy seems likeit's a relatively new phenomenon, but the
demand, the demand for work,Thank you for the likes, Dane,
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The demand for flexible work with dignityhas been around forever. I remember back
in the two thousands seeing all ofthese commercials on TV talking about working from
home, these business opportunities, theirown at home business, and those things
all turned out to be MLM scams, multi level marketing scams. And that
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was because even back then, therewere a lot of like say, stay
at home moms, people who peoplewith disabilities that couldn't adapt to the daily
Monday through Friday nine to five commutein office job type situation, and capitalism
has always found a way to preyon these people because the work is out
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there. There's tons of work outthere that can be done on a more
flexible basis. The pandemic proved itthat people could go and they could They
could be effective at their jobs,they could do a great job at their
jobs, but they could work fromhome, more flexible schedule. Maybe they're
gonna they're gonna be able to pickup their kids to help deal with family
issues during the day, personal issues, medical appointments, things like that,
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and they're doing more than fine.They're been great during the pandemic. But
now we see that the people inpower want to take back their power.
And they want to force people backinto the office for real estate values,
but also really also for that locusof control that managers and business and business
people oftentimes feel. But the otherside of it is even for those who
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don't pull back, they know thator they sense the desperation that some people
have that's really their only choice totry to stay remote or to even have
flexible jobs, to even have gigjobs, things that aren't not remote jobs.
But like the gig economy, likethe Ubers, the lifts of the
world, gig economy positions have beenvery accommodating for people who can't do a
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normal working schedule, and those companieshave been pulling back on pay, like
I believe Uber, eat By,no Instacart, and DoorDash where a lot
of complaints about minimum pay going down, and this has this is this is
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really an unreported on issue, andI think that it's also a new frontier
for the labor movement because we're seeingincreasing numbers of strikes, we are seeing
an increase in people wanting to goon strike and make changes. We are
seeing that in the more conventional economy, and we're even seeing it in the
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more I guess the more precarious,more flexible type work in the in terms
of like retail part time work,like the Starbucks workers, that's a good
development. But in terms of gigworkers, there is definitely some work to
be done there in terms of unionsand organizing, and I think it's very
good work because there are people thatare in these positions who desperately need them.
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Not all the end of all,labor organizing should not be just to
own work with people who are workingin conventional forty hour work week. It
should be to work with those whoare even in less they are working different
schedules than that typical that typical situation, and it's very important because these are
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often the people that are getting exploitedby capitalism the most and have the absolute
least choices. Again, these arethe people especially the MLM space, the
multi level marketing space, I thinkis perhaps the biggest and most profound example,
but not the only example. Forsure. There are some really subtle,
interesting examples, especially when it comesto the disability community of people being
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preyed upon and being used by capitalismin a very very interesting way because they're
desperate for a flexible source of incomewith dignity the MLM space, of course,
the stereotypical multi level marketing salesperson issomebody who is a woman that is
staying at home with their kids,a mom who's staying at home with their
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kids and needs the income. Oftentimesit's not even that. Oftentimes it will
actually be not the stereotype. They'llbe someone who's working still and they still
don't have enough to pay for childcare, for the cost of rent, the
cost of food, all the stuffthat's going up, and they get taken
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advantage by multi level marketing companies,and the multi level marketing companies, all
they do is they siphon out theirsavings, and the earnings on these things
are notoriously low. Even if youmake a profit on them, you're gonna
probably wind up making less than minimumwage in most of these multi level marketing
companies. But then on the otherhand, you have people with disabilities.
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You have people with autism in particular, that have an eighty five percent rate
of unemployment. These are very smart, very talented people that oftentimes are very
knowledgeable about a particular field, butbecause they don't conform to the normal workplace
cycle, maybe they're going through somesort of autistic burnout. Maybe they have
commitments during in the middle of theday. If you have to go,
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say to like a doctor's appointment ora therapy appointments on a regular basis in
the middle of the day, that'sgoing to be a big problem. Even
if it's like a telehealth therapy session, that's pretty embarrassing. And oftentimes you
don't have a private place to dothat at work, if you're going to
go into your car or whatever.So that's going to be a disturbance.
That's going to be an issue forpeople. And that's why remote work was
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so great, because people with disabilities, mental health issues, needed to do
therapy, needed to go to adoctor's appointment during the day, they could
step aside, they could still comeback, still come back and do their
work, have privacy, even ifthey're doing a telehealth doctor's appointment. Things
like that. And what was interesting, and I think that this is a
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connection that not very many people havemade. But back when the whole Wall
Street bets thing was a trend,there were a lot of almost like a
derogatory, derisive use of the termautistic to refer to the people who were
involved in Wall Street bets who weretrying to do this investing to bring in
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some cash, bringing some money,and oftentimes you'd see extremely extensive in these
forms, like a lot of veryvery comprehensive financial analysis on this on these
companies and doing a lot of work, even more than in some cases some
people in the personal finance space.But they're saying, well, they're these
are people with autism, and they'resaying it in a in a very derisive
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fashion, which someone as someone myselfwho has autism. Obviously it wasn't necessarily
some of the things that are said, we're not not not very not very
good. But the fact that thereis this connection between people that are doing
this, this work of investing andmanipulating money and trying to find any way
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out of the regular employment system.Because there's even these jokes of like,
look, I was able to Idon't know how much of this is based
in reality, but the fact thatit's a joke and jest sometimes comes to
truth. That you have people saying, oh, yes, I was making
so much money investing in the stockmarket in Wall Street bets, but now
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I'm forced to go back and workat fast food because that's all that I
can get Meanwhile, they're putting togetheranalyzes that look like they're written by some
investment firm. These are people withexcellent potential, that can that can write
well, that can do a lotof math, do a lot of numbers,
but they're not given that opportunity inthe conventional workforce because they may have
some sort of limitation. And especiallyas we start to see high unemployment and
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we have the kind of people likethat guy who was saying that there needs
to be pain in the economy,that guy who's saying there needs to be
pain in the economy in order toin order to put the workers back in
place. That pain in the economyis going to be disproportionately felt by people
who are the most where the mostvulnerable, people with disabilities, working parents,
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people who are of minority ethnic groups, and that's who's going to feel
a pain the most, unfortunately,and those are the people that are going
to get picked off. And it'sgoing to be harder to get accommodations in
the workplace, even though it's alreadyhard, and there's going to be this
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vacuum, this need for flexible workwith dignity that is going to persist,
and it's never gone away, andwhen they're able to get these positions.
The thing is that if you're ableto if somebody with a disability is able
to get a job that works withtheir needs, that gives them accommodations,
a lot of times employers feel likethey can really take advantage a lot of
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times, the workplaces they'll be mostaccommodating to people with disabilities are going to
be workplaces that are exploitative. Theworkplaces that have more flexible scheduling oftentimes are
really crappy retail jobs that are veryexploitative and don't pay very well. Those
types of places are going to hijoy, thank you for joining on the
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Live, and thank you for likingthe Live as well. But these types
of places will be the places wherethey're able to find a job, and
they are going to take advantage ofthat because they feel like this person's locked
in, they don't have mobility,They can't go from my employment because I'm
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the only employer who will put upwith their nonsense, even though it's just
basic human decency that they're showing.They're not even showing basic human decency because
they're not paying them well. Andthat is a big problem in our economy,
we have the people who need theseopportunities the most to at least able
to get them. And when peoplewho are seeking these flexible work opportunities go
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in and talk to other people andseek mentorship on say like the Forum for
for Work from Home that WFH Subrettitthat I've mentioned in a few of my
videos on TikTok as well as onthis podcast, they are being shunned.
They're being like like people come inthere with sometimes the saddest stories like I
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have a disability, my back hurts, I can't I can't go into the
office and be till I have toreturn to the office. I need accommodations.
They're not going to help me,help me, help me to find
out what I should do here,And they're almost mocked by other people.
And it's again it's that intra classfighting between members of the working class feeling
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like they're better than the other.So it is a myriad of problems that
come up for somebody who is whois in a more of a marginalized situation
trying to make it in this economy. And capitalists know this. They know
that when that person finds that perfectopportunity of view it as a miracle.
They view it as a blessing fromGod. If they find a job that's
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more flexible with them, they willview it as as as like a miracle.
And they know that they have thatpower and that they and that if
they adjust pay or they do thingsthey can shave a little bit off the
top. That person's not going tocomplain because they can't go anywhere. And
you see this even like with Uberdrivers with the door dash, with Lyft,
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you'll see those they'll just keep liketinkering around and just trying to keep
people trying to just find little waysto make themselves a little bit more profit
because they're thinking, oh yeah,a lot of these people, even though
there are plenty of people who areworking Uber or lift or to ash full
time, they think these are peoplewho are desperate. They have no other
choice, so we can just takeadvantage of them. And that is a
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big opportunity for labor. Some oflike the most like exploitative jobs that I've
had have been people that are they'redoing like are offering me like remote freelancing
and stuff like that because they knowthat there are fewer rights and I'm a
member of my union I am amember of the Freelancers Union, so i'm
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i'm a I'm part of an organizationthat is helping to find a solution.
Obviously, they've done a little bit. They've made some progress in New York
and Los Angeles what something called theFreelances and Free Law, but it's it's
far from being enough. There's actuallya guy on TikTok. I'll have to
find his off to find his page. But he was joking about how you're
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if you're a worker with a disability, they're always going to classify he was
an independent contractor, or find wayto classify he was an independent contractor,
and then try to pay you ona Net nineties cycle. Thankfully, I
haven't had to deal with a netnineties cycle yet. But and I do
have my own business. I dohave my own consulting practice. I do
have. I do both marketing communicationsfor business businesses as well as political and
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advocacy communications. The political and advocacyside is slow down because of it's not
an election year and twenty twenty fourdonations are down. But if you're interested
in that, if you having tobe somebody who's running a business or running
an advocacy project, nonprofit campaign.Feel free to reach out to me on
the Offspeed Solutions dot com website.I will link that in the description of
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the episode. As always, andif you have any stories, if you
have any stories of things that havegone wrong with your jobs, if you
had crappy bosses, bad employers,people that have taken advantage of you,
even if it's like in a freelanceemployment context, feel free to call in
and leave a voicemail on the messageline. I will try my best to
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get these into a future episode.Eight four four four seven seven Punk eight
four four four seven seven seven eightsix five. I'm hoping that at some
point that as these live streams grow, that I will be able to have
like a mixer board on here andI'll be able to like plug it all
in have the audio be all nice. So if you want to create more
of an environment where we can chatwith each other and help each other through
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the problems that we're experiencing during thistime, the problems that we're experiencing in
capitalism and with the workplace, thenif you want to gift or you can
also subscribe to the Patreon Patreon dotcom slash Fixer Punk. Hello to everybody
who's joined. If you want,you can leave your where you're from in
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this podcast is being streamed on TikTokas well tiktokk dot com slash at fixer
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you follow on the TikTok And thatis going to be something that I hopefully
do on a more on a morefrequent basis. This is more of a
lecture episode. Normally I'm doing thiswith the more casual chat episodes, but
I thought, let me just beon here so we can get this message,
this progressive, pro labor, proworker message to more people and help
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more people, especially those who arein marginalized situations in life, to become
better, to become better and toget more out of this system that is
trying to drag us all down.And the thing is that a better world
is possible. The money, themoney for jobs to help people that are
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that need flexible work exists. Thework exists. There's plenty of good work.
That needs to be done that peoplewho need the more flexible schedule can
do. There's lots of good talentedpeople out there. There are lots of
good talented people across the country whohave disabilities, who are at home caring
for somebody. There are lots ofpeople who have want to work, like
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an extra extra time at night thatcan do excellent work, that can really
do work that benefits society. People, they're actually doing work that benefits society.
I talked about universal Basic income onthe last episode. There are lots
of people out there. They're doingtons of work that's uncompensated, but it's
very important work, that caregiving work, that volunteer work, stuff you do
in mutual aid. That's why Ithink that UBI is such an important policies.
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But that's not that's not the pointhere. The money exists, the
work exists. What doesn't exist isthe will of the powerful. Thank you
to those who have joined as well, but yeah, what doesn't exist is
the will of the powerful to changethings. And that is something that the
labor movement can do. And aswe start to see in the more conventional
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workforce, we start to see theimpact of organized labor like in the with
the UAW, with SAGAFTRA, withthe WGA, the Writers Guild. There's
some other strikes. I think there'sa strike coming up of healthcare workers at
Kaiser Permanente. I think we canalso start to see change around remote work
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and around flexible work, and aroundpeople that have like these more gig precarious
type jobs, and there are andthe type of stuff like if you are
a very competent this is this actuallyhappened to me back when I graduated from
college from USC. If you're lookingfor like remote work, it got better
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during the pandemic against getting worse again. But back then that was twenty seventeen.
I was basically like like I wasconstantly working on like that Amazon mechanical
Turk thing, which is basically trainingAI. And those jobs maybe pull you
out like one to five dollars anhour at most. So people don't even
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see the side of the economy.Most people don't even see this side of
the economy where where if you're athome and you're you're not this person who
can come in professionally to an office, how badly you're going to get screwed
over in this economy. People aren'teven aware of this labor Maybe it's because
you don't see necessarily a physical picketline, but we know we know that
a lot of movements have started online, a lot of social movements, a
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lot of the most important social movementsin the last twenty years all started online
through through people's spreading awareness on online. So even in terms of the way
we think of activism, the waywe think of labor advocacy, this type
of space online is very, veryimportant, and unions should not be afraid
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to organize workers who are in remotepositions or that aren't in the same location
because it can still be powerful.Thank you to everybody who has joined the
live just now if you want rightyou're where you're from in the chat so
that I can see it and shoutyou out. And that is that is
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really the That's the message I wantto give here, is that we can
we can, we can find away to change this, and we're seeing
how these changes can be done.But it continues, this continues to be
a major problem. We continue tosee that as and as this as we
start to see this further return tooffice push, which is covertive layoffs,
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really we're going to start to seemore and more grifting around people that are
desperate to get remote jobs, andpeople are going to get scammed because we
have not accommodated them in the legitimateeconomy. Of course, there's the notorious
YouTube fake guru space too. Justlike I was talking about the MLMs earlier,
the multi level marketing scams, thosepeople, especially say for younger disabled
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people or younger people who are whohad to during the pandemic move out to
their parents' homes in more remote suburbsand rural areas are more distant from high
paying employment, and they can't moveback to those areas because we're not converting
the offices into housing. We don'thave enough housing for them, and the
pay hasn't gone up. In fact, the pay is going to come down
because they want to put workers intoplace. Those people are going to take
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that last bit of savings that theyhave, possibly from the COVID pandemic,
from when they had those jobs,and it's going to get taken by various
types of online business scams. Andthat is going to be a very unfortunate
situation, is that we're going tohave a lot of people who are desperately
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in need. We're getting taken advantageof. And this is an area that
progressive and labor activism really needs tocontinue to work on because this is the
most raw form of capitalist exploitation thereis, because, especially with like independent
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contractor less wes, you're throwing peopleinto basically running a business who perhaps don't
have any understanding or expertise of howto do so. Now I've been an
entrepreneur for some time, I understandhow these things work. But a lot
of people that just go into thesethings coincidentally they get they get screwed over,
and it's hard to get paid back, and the wages that you're winding
up getting are a lot lower.And we can get we can get better.
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And people deserve to be treated better. People deserve the opportunity to have
flexible work with dignity. And theonly reason why a lot of these tasks
that have to be done that employerssaying, oh, yeah, this has
to be done, you have tobe present in the office for collaboration purposes.
No, it's because they want theirpower to be fed into They want
to feel powerful over people, Theywant to feel like people are under their
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thumb. When this work could bedone at home and of course they use
the threat of outsourcing. They usethose types of threats, the threat of
AI taking over, and all thatmeans is that the power of capital is
too strong. And that's the thingis. And this is sort of almost
a separate rant. But people arewilling to accept a lot of economic pain
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and frustration and problems. They're ableto just when they say when when the
media says there's a recession, there'sa recession coming and then things are going
to get bad in the economy,people just take it and lay down and
they're like, oh, yeah,there's a recession coming. But really,
when we talk about a recession,oftentimes these are things that are caused by
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the actions of the very wealthy andthose in power. That's what a recession
is. In this case, ifit's done, if it's here, it's
the And thank you to those whohave joined on the TikTok Live again.
This is a TikTok live recording aswell. Uh fix er punk dot com
slash or TikTok dot com slash actfixer Punk. If you're listening to the
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podcast, you want to be alertedfor the live to join the live chat
community when we do it. ButThe whole issue that we're seeing is that
people are just willing to like they'rejust or the media at least is telling
people just making it sound like it'srecession is some natural phenomenon that you can't
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control, when it is in factcontrollable. Here we have the interest rates.
The interest rates are something that theFed is literally manipulating with the purpose
of increasing unemployment. But people aregoing to say, yeah, it's just
a recession. It's a recession thatnaturally happens, and workers are going to
be out of work and people aregonna get treated like crap at their jobs
and not be able to leave them. That's just going to happen because that's
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a recession. But then as soonas we start talking about workers taking actions,
as soon as the media goes inand talks about a strike or things
like that, they're like, lookat all, how the devastation and the
economy, all the money the economyis going to lose because of the actions
of the workers. Meanwhile, whenthey come in and talk about a recession
that's being driven by the things thatthe corporatists and the government leaders are being
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paid for by politicians want the government. Politicians are being paid for by corporate
people what they want. It's justlike, oh, it's just a natural
They treat it just like it's anatural disaster, like it's a storm or
something, and it just isn't thatway. So when we think about the
maybe the frustrations and the economy thatmay come from strikes, just think about
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that. Think about the fact thatany frustrations in agony that you've see in
the economy due to a recession isreally due to the actions of the wealthy,
either intentional or unintentional, or juststraight up negligent, like the two
thousand and eight financial crisis was.And you're the actions of fellow workers are
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going to be a lot They're gonnabe a lot less, not going to
be as noticeable. For like theUAW strikeling, very few people are going
to notice that if they go onand strike a long term But when they
talk about these things, just knowthat and know that we should be We
should be as accommodating and as generousto our fellow workers as we are to
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the capitalists, to the capitalist class. I think I'm going to sign off
right now. I might leave thelive and the live chat open for a
bit, longer. But I thinkI've discussed why why I want to get
out there, which is that thisdesperation for flexible work with dignity is something
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that is a very important cause forpeople who are among the most oppressed and
most marginalized in our society. It'sthe next frontier of labor organizing, in
my opinion, and unfortunately, it'sthe next frontier of scams and people being
taken advantage of because they can't beall the things that capitalism conventionally wants its
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quote unquote good workers to be.So keep an eye out for scams and
think about ways that we can help, and think about policy on a larger
scale, like a lot of citiesare trying to put workers back into the
office to get local tax revenue toincrease, which I think is just asinine
that you have to bring workers intothe office to overspend on like random things
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during the day like lunch and coffeesand stuff like that to keep the local
economies going. But these things aregoing to have the return to office is
going to have a negative impact ona national level on issues related to disability,
on issues related to climate. Soif we get good people into office,
we can start to turn the tideand have it be that governments are
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encouraging people to are encouraging people towork remotely, encouraging employers to try people
with disabilities better because those do havesocietal benefits, and those things are as
economically measurable if we care about themas the whatever marginal increase in small business
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revenues and local tax revenues would befrom sending people into the office. Though
these are these metrics are more importantactually because we're caring about people, they're
more important. Helping people with disabilitiesand helping to reduce the carbon footprint,
those are things that are more important, and if we elect people into office
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that care about those things, thenwe can start to see a positive change
as we're working to organize workplaces andhave strong grassroots mobilization as well. If
you want to be a part ofthat, there are a lot of great
organizations out there, but I amhoping to spread the word through this podcast.
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This is the fixer Punk podcast,the podcast that hopes that the UAW gets
all of its demands, but especiallyit's demand for a thirty two hour work
week to set the standard for therest of the country. I'm Greyson Peltier,
So on today's episode, I wantedto talk about the need for flexible
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work with dignity and the ways thatcapitalism exploits those who really really need a
flexible working environment or arrangement, especiallywith the whole return to office push,
which we've talked about quite a bitin the last It's probably been in the
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themes of the last three episodes,but especially a little bit more on the
last one, talking about the returnto office push, how it disproportionately affects
people with disabilities, people who livefurther from major cities, people who have
caregiving responsibilities, whether that's a caregiverfor an older person or for or caring
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for a child, stay at homemom. And this has been a theme
that's actually been going on for along long time about how capitalism crushes those
who are desperate to get flexible workand those who really need it. And
I've never i haven't done a dedicatedepisode to this particular issue, so I
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thought I'd go into this. Iknow that we have a couple other topics
where we have series going, whichthose are the ones around the different areas
of personal growth influencers, the AndrewHuberman's, the personal finance ones that I've
been talking about like Dave Ramsey andCaleb Hammer. Those critiques are still coming,
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but I felt like I need toget to this issue first and do
a one off episode. And again, this is the first time we're recording
on the TikTok are actually not thefirst time. This is the second time
we're recording on the TikTok Live.And I want to say hi to anybody
who's joined us, and I amglad you're here. The Fixer Punk podcast
is available on all major podcast platforms, so you can join us after there.
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Thank you for joining everybody, ButI'm going to get on with the
episode. So we've had this hasactually been around for quite some time.
I know that the whole idea ofremote work or work from home, those
things, the gig economy seems likeit's a relatively new phenomenon, but the
demand, the demand for work,Thank you for the likes, Dane,
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The demand for flexible work with dignityhas been around forever. I remember back
in the two thousands seeing all ofthese commercials on TV talking about working from
home, these business opportunities, theirown at home business, and those things
all turned out to be MLM scams, multi level marketing scams. And that
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was because even back then, therewere a lot of like say, stay
at home moms, people who peoplewith disabilities that couldn't adapt to the daily
Monday through Friday nine to five commutein office job type situation, and capitalism
has always found a way to preyon these people because the work is out
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there. There's tons of work outthere that can be done on a more
flexible basis. The pandemic proved itthat people could go and they could They
could be effective at their jobs,they could do a great job at their
jobs, but they could work fromhome, more flexible schedule. Maybe they're
gonna they're gonna be able to pickup their kids to help deal with family
issues during the day, personal issues, medical appointments, things like that,
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and they're doing more than fine.They're been great during the pandemic. But
now we see that the people inpower want to take back their power.
And they want to force people backinto the office for real estate values,
but also really also for that locusof control that managers and business and business
people oftentimes feel. But the otherside of it is even for those who
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don't pull back, they know thator they sense the desperation that some people
have that's really their only choice totry to stay remote or to even have
flexible jobs, to even have gigjobs, things that aren't not remote jobs.
But like the gig economy, likethe Ubers, the lifts of the
world, gig economy positions have beenvery accommodating for people who can't do a
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normal working schedule, and those companieshave been pulling back on pay, like
I believe Uber, eat By,no Instacart, and DoorDash where a lot
of complaints about minimum pay going down, and this has this is this is
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really an unreported on issue, andI think that it's also a new frontier
for the labor movement because we're seeingincreasing numbers of strikes, we are seeing
an increase in people wanting to goon strike and make changes. We are
seeing that in the more conventional economy, and we're even seeing it in the
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more I guess the more precarious,more flexible type work in the in terms
of like retail part time work,like the Starbucks workers, that's a good
development. But in terms of gigworkers, there is definitely some work to
be done there in terms of unionsand organizing, and I think it's very
good work because there are people thatare in these positions who desperately need them.
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Not all the end of all,labor organizing should not be just to
own work with people who are workingin conventional forty hour work week. It
should be to work with those whoare even in less they are working different
schedules than that typical that typical situation, and it's very important because these are
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often the people that are getting exploitedby capitalism the most and have the absolute
least choices. Again, these arethe people especially the MLM space, the
multi level marketing space, I thinkis perhaps the biggest and most profound example,
but not the only example. Forsure. There are some really subtle,
interesting examples, especially when it comesto the disability community of people being
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preyed upon and being used by capitalismin a very very interesting way because they're
desperate for a flexible source of incomewith dignity the MLM space, of course,
the stereotypical multi level marketing salesperson issomebody who is a woman that is
staying at home with their kids,a mom who's staying at home with their
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kids and needs the income. Oftentimesit's not even that. Oftentimes it will
actually be not the stereotype. They'llbe someone who's working still and they still
don't have enough to pay for childcare, for the cost of rent, the
cost of food, all the stuffthat's going up, and they get taken
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advantage by multi level marketing companies,and the multi level marketing companies, all
they do is they siphon out theirsavings, and the earnings on these things
are notoriously low. Even if youmake a profit on them, you're gonna
probably wind up making less than minimumwage in most of these multi level marketing
companies. But then on the otherhand, you have people with disabilities.
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You have people with autism in particular, that have an eighty five percent rate
of unemployment. These are very smart, very talented people that oftentimes are very
knowledgeable about a particular field, butbecause they don't conform to the normal workplace
cycle, maybe they're going through somesort of autistic burnout. Maybe they have
commitments during in the middle of theday. If you have to go,
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say to like a doctor's appointment ora therapy appointments on a regular basis in
the middle of the day, that'sgoing to be a big problem. Even
if it's like a telehealth therapy session, that's pretty embarrassing. And oftentimes you
don't have a private place to dothat at work, if you're going to
go into your car or whatever.So that's going to be a disturbance.
That's going to be an issue forpeople. And that's why remote work was
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so great, because people with disabilities, mental health issues, needed to do
therapy, needed to go to adoctor's appointment during the day, they could
step aside, they could still comeback, still come back and do their
work, have privacy, even ifthey're doing a telehealth doctor's appointment. Things
like that. And what was interesting, and I think that this is a
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connection that not very many people havemade. But back when the whole Wall
Street bets thing was a trend,there were a lot of almost like a
derogatory, derisive use of the termautistic to refer to the people who were
involved in Wall Street bets who weretrying to do this investing to bring in
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some cash, bringing some money,and oftentimes you'd see extremely extensive in these
forms, like a lot of veryvery comprehensive financial analysis on this on these
companies and doing a lot of work, even more than in some cases some
people in the personal finance space.But they're saying, well, they're these
are people with autism, and they'resaying it in a in a very derisive
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fashion, which someone as someone myselfwho has autism. Obviously it wasn't necessarily
some of the things that are said, we're not not not very not very
good. But the fact that thereis this connection between people that are doing
this, this work of investing andmanipulating money and trying to find any way
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out of the regular employment system.Because there's even these jokes of like,
look, I was able to Idon't know how much of this is based
in reality, but the fact thatit's a joke and jest sometimes comes to
truth. That you have people saying, oh, yes, I was making
so much money investing in the stockmarket in Wall Street bets, but now
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I'm forced to go back and workat fast food because that's all that I
can get Meanwhile, they're putting togetheranalyzes that look like they're written by some
investment firm. These are people withexcellent potential, that can that can write
well, that can do a lotof math, do a lot of numbers,
but they're not given that opportunity inthe conventional workforce because they may have
some sort of limitation. And especiallyas we start to see high unemployment and
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we have the kind of people likethat guy who was saying that there needs
to be pain in the economy,that guy who's saying there needs to be
pain in the economy in order toin order to put the workers back in
place. That pain in the economyis going to be disproportionately felt by people
who are the most where the mostvulnerable, people with disabilities, working parents,
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people who are of minority ethnic groups, and that's who's going to feel
a pain the most, unfortunately,and those are the people that are going
to get picked off. And it'sgoing to be harder to get accommodations in
the workplace, even though it's alreadyhard, and there's going to be this
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vacuum, this need for flexible workwith dignity that is going to persist,
and it's never gone away, andwhen they're able to get these positions.
The thing is that if you're ableto if somebody with a disability is able
to get a job that works withtheir needs, that gives them accommodations,
a lot of times employers feel likethey can really take advantage a lot of
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times, the workplaces they'll be mostaccommodating to people with disabilities are going to
be workplaces that are exploitative. Theworkplaces that have more flexible scheduling oftentimes are
really crappy retail jobs that are veryexploitative and don't pay very well. Those
types of places are going to hijoy, thank you for joining on the
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Live, and thank you for likingthe Live as well. But these types
of places will be the places wherethey're able to find a job, and
they are going to take advantage ofthat because they feel like this person's locked
in, they don't have mobility,They can't go from my employment because I'm
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the only employer who will put upwith their nonsense, even though it's just
basic human decency that they're showing.They're not even showing basic human decency because
they're not paying them well. Andthat is a big problem in our economy,
we have the people who need theseopportunities the most to at least able
to get them. And when peoplewho are seeking these flexible work opportunities go
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in and talk to other people andseek mentorship on say like the Forum for
for Work from Home that WFH Subrettitthat I've mentioned in a few of my
videos on TikTok as well as onthis podcast, they are being shunned.
They're being like like people come inthere with sometimes the saddest stories like I
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have a disability, my back hurts, I can't I can't go into the
office and be till I have toreturn to the office. I need accommodations.
They're not going to help me,help me, help me to find
out what I should do here,And they're almost mocked by other people.
And it's again it's that intra classfighting between members of the working class feeling
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like they're better than the other.So it is a myriad of problems that
come up for somebody who is whois in a more of a marginalized situation
trying to make it in this economy. And capitalists know this. They know
that when that person finds that perfectopportunity of view it as a miracle.
They view it as a blessing fromGod. If they find a job that's
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more flexible with them, they willview it as as as like a miracle.
And they know that they have thatpower and that they and that if
they adjust pay or they do thingsthey can shave a little bit off the
top. That person's not going tocomplain because they can't go anywhere. And
you see this even like with Uberdrivers with the door dash, with Lyft,
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you'll see those they'll just keep liketinkering around and just trying to keep
people trying to just find little waysto make themselves a little bit more profit
because they're thinking, oh yeah,a lot of these people, even though
there are plenty of people who areworking Uber or lift or to ash full
time, they think these are peoplewho are desperate. They have no other
choice, so we can just takeadvantage of them. And that is a
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big opportunity for labor. Some oflike the most like exploitative jobs that I've
had have been people that are they'redoing like are offering me like remote freelancing
and stuff like that because they knowthat there are fewer rights and I'm a
member of my union I am amember of the Freelancers Union, so i'm
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i'm a I'm part of an organizationthat is helping to find a solution.
Obviously, they've done a little bit. They've made some progress in New York
and Los Angeles what something called theFreelances and Free Law, but it's it's
far from being enough. There's actuallya guy on TikTok. I'll have to
find his off to find his page. But he was joking about how you're
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if you're a worker with a disability, they're always going to classify he was
an independent contractor, or find wayto classify he was an independent contractor,
and then try to pay you ona Net nineties cycle. Thankfully, I
haven't had to deal with a netnineties cycle yet. But and I do
have my own business. I dohave my own consulting practice. I do
have. I do both marketing communicationsfor business businesses as well as political and
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advocacy communications. The political and advocacyside is slow down because of it's not
an election year and twenty twenty fourdonations are down. But if you're interested
in that, if you having tobe somebody who's running a business or running
an advocacy project, nonprofit campaign.Feel free to reach out to me on
the Offspeed Solutions dot com website.I will link that in the description of
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the episode. As always, andif you have any stories, if you
have any stories of things that havegone wrong with your jobs, if you
had crappy bosses, bad employers,people that have taken advantage of you,
even if it's like in a freelanceemployment context, feel free to call in
and leave a voicemail on the messageline. I will try my best to
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get these into a future episode.Eight four four four seven seven Punk eight
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like a mixer board on here andI'll be able to like plug it all
in have the audio be all nice. So if you want to create more
of an environment where we can chatwith each other and help each other through
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this podcast is being streamed on TikTokas well tiktokk dot com slash at fixer
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you follow on the TikTok And thatis going to be something that I hopefully
do on a more on a morefrequent basis. This is more of a
lecture episode. Normally I'm doing thiswith the more casual chat episodes, but
I thought, let me just beon here so we can get this message,
this progressive, pro labor, proworker message to more people and help
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more people, especially those who arein marginalized situations in life, to become
better, to become better and toget more out of this system that is
trying to drag us all down.And the thing is that a better world
is possible. The money, themoney for jobs to help people that are
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that need flexible work exists. Thework exists. There's plenty of good work.
That needs to be done that peoplewho need the more flexible schedule can
do. There's lots of good talentedpeople out there. There are lots of
good talented people across the country whohave disabilities, who are at home caring
for somebody. There are lots ofpeople who have want to work, like
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an extra extra time at night thatcan do excellent work, that can really
do work that benefits society. People, they're actually doing work that benefits society.
I talked about universal Basic income onthe last episode. There are lots
of people out there. They're doingtons of work that's uncompensated, but it's
very important work, that caregiving work, that volunteer work, stuff you do
in mutual aid. That's why Ithink that UBI is such an important policies.
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But that's not that's not the pointhere. The money exists, the
work exists. What doesn't exist isthe will of the powerful. Thank you
to those who have joined as well, but yeah, what doesn't exist is
the will of the powerful to changethings. And that is something that the
labor movement can do. And aswe start to see in the more conventional
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workforce, we start to see theimpact of organized labor like in the with
the UAW, with SAGAFTRA, withthe WGA, the Writers Guild. There's
some other strikes. I think there'sa strike coming up of healthcare workers at
Kaiser Permanente. I think we canalso start to see change around remote work
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and around flexible work, and aroundpeople that have like these more gig precarious
type jobs, and there are andthe type of stuff like if you are
a very competent this is this actuallyhappened to me back when I graduated from
college from USC. If you're lookingfor like remote work, it got better
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during the pandemic against getting worse again. But back then that was twenty seventeen.
I was basically like like I wasconstantly working on like that Amazon mechanical
Turk thing, which is basically trainingAI. And those jobs maybe pull you
out like one to five dollars anhour at most. So people don't even
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see the side of the economy.Most people don't even see this side of
the economy where where if you're athome and you're you're not this person who
can come in professionally to an office, how badly you're going to get screwed
over in this economy. People aren'teven aware of this labor Maybe it's because
you don't see necessarily a physical picketline, but we know we know that
a lot of movements have started online, a lot of social movements, a
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lot of the most important social movementsin the last twenty years all started online
through through people's spreading awareness on online. So even in terms of the way
we think of activism, the waywe think of labor advocacy, this type
of space online is very, veryimportant, and unions should not be afraid
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to organize workers who are in remotepositions or that aren't in the same location
because it can still be powerful.Thank you to everybody who has joined the
live just now if you want rightyou're where you're from in the chat so
that I can see it and shoutyou out. And that is that is
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really the That's the message I wantto give here, is that we can
we can, we can find away to change this, and we're seeing
how these changes can be done.But it continues, this continues to be
a major problem. We continue tosee that as and as this as we
start to see this further return tooffice push, which is covertive layoffs,
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really we're going to start to seemore and more grifting around people that are
desperate to get remote jobs, andpeople are going to get scammed because we
have not accommodated them in the legitimateeconomy. Of course, there's the notorious
YouTube fake guru space too. Justlike I was talking about the MLMs earlier,
the multi level marketing scams, thosepeople, especially say for younger disabled
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people or younger people who are whohad to during the pandemic move out to
their parents' homes in more remote suburbsand rural areas are more distant from high
paying employment, and they can't moveback to those areas because we're not converting
the offices into housing. We don'thave enough housing for them, and the
pay hasn't gone up. In fact, the pay is going to come down
because they want to put workers intoplace. Those people are going to take
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that last bit of savings that theyhave, possibly from the COVID pandemic,
from when they had those jobs,and it's going to get taken by various
types of online business scams. Andthat is going to be a very unfortunate
situation, is that we're going tohave a lot of people who are desperately
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in need. We're getting taken advantageof. And this is an area that
progressive and labor activism really needs tocontinue to work on because this is the
most raw form of capitalist exploitation thereis, because, especially with like independent
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contractor less wes, you're throwing peopleinto basically running a business who perhaps don't
have any understanding or expertise of howto do so. Now I've been an
entrepreneur for some time, I understandhow these things work. But a lot
of people that just go into thesethings coincidentally they get they get screwed over,
and it's hard to get paid back, and the wages that you're winding
up getting are a lot lower.And we can get we can get better.
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And people deserve to be treated better. People deserve the opportunity to have
flexible work with dignity. And theonly reason why a lot of these tasks
that have to be done that employerssaying, oh, yeah, this has
to be done, you have tobe present in the office for collaboration purposes.
No, it's because they want theirpower to be fed into They want
to feel powerful over people, Theywant to feel like people are under their
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thumb. When this work could bedone at home and of course they use
the threat of outsourcing. They usethose types of threats, the threat of
AI taking over, and all thatmeans is that the power of capital is
too strong. And that's the thingis. And this is sort of almost
a separate rant. But people arewilling to accept a lot of economic pain
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and frustration and problems. They're ableto just when they say when when the
media says there's a recession, there'sa recession coming and then things are going
to get bad in the economy,people just take it and lay down and
they're like, oh, yeah,there's a recession coming. But really,
when we talk about a recession,oftentimes these are things that are caused by
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the actions of the very wealthy andthose in power. That's what a recession
is. In this case, ifit's done, if it's here, it's
the And thank you to those whohave joined on the TikTok Live again.
This is a TikTok live recording aswell. Uh fix er punk dot com
slash or TikTok dot com slash actfixer Punk. If you're listening to the
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podcast, you want to be alertedfor the live to join the live chat
community when we do it. ButThe whole issue that we're seeing is that
people are just willing to like they'rejust or the media at least is telling
people just making it sound like it'srecession is some natural phenomenon that you can't
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control, when it is in factcontrollable. Here we have the interest rates.
The interest rates are something that theFed is literally manipulating with the purpose
of increasing unemployment. But people aregoing to say, yeah, it's just
a recession. It's a recession thatnaturally happens, and workers are going to
be out of work and people aregonna get treated like crap at their jobs
and not be able to leave them. That's just going to happen because that's
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a recession. But then as soonas we start talking about workers taking actions,
as soon as the media goes inand talks about a strike or things
like that, they're like, lookat all, how the devastation and the
economy, all the money the economyis going to lose because of the actions
of the workers. Meanwhile, whenthey come in and talk about a recession
that's being driven by the things thatthe corporatists and the government leaders are being
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paid for by politicians want the government. Politicians are being paid for by corporate
people what they want. It's justlike, oh, it's just a natural
They treat it just like it's anatural disaster, like it's a storm or
something, and it just isn't thatway. So when we think about the
maybe the frustrations and the economy thatmay come from strikes, just think about
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that. Think about the fact thatany frustrations in agony that you've see in
the economy due to a recession isreally due to the actions of the wealthy,
either intentional or unintentional, or juststraight up negligent, like the two
thousand and eight financial crisis was.And you're the actions of fellow workers are
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going to be a lot They're gonnabe a lot less, not going to
be as noticeable. For like theUAW strikeling, very few people are going
to notice that if they go onand strike a long term But when they
talk about these things, just knowthat and know that we should be We
should be as accommodating and as generousto our fellow workers as we are to
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the capitalists, to the capitalist class. I think I'm going to sign off
right now. I might leave thelive and the live chat open for a
bit, longer. But I thinkI've discussed why why I want to get
out there, which is that thisdesperation for flexible work with dignity is something
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that is a very important cause forpeople who are among the most oppressed and
most marginalized in our society. It'sthe next frontier of labor organizing, in
my opinion, and unfortunately, it'sthe next frontier of scams and people being
taken advantage of because they can't beall the things that capitalism conventionally wants its
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quote unquote good workers to be.So keep an eye out for scams and
think about ways that we can help, and think about policy on a larger
scale, like a lot of citiesare trying to put workers back into the
office to get local tax revenue toincrease, which I think is just asinine
that you have to bring workers intothe office to overspend on like random things
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during the day like lunch and coffeesand stuff like that to keep the local
economies going. But these things aregoing to have the return to office is
going to have a negative impact ona national level on issues related to disability,
on issues related to climate. Soif we get good people into office,
we can start to turn the tideand have it be that governments are
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encouraging people to are encouraging people towork remotely, encouraging employers to try people
with disabilities better because those do havesocietal benefits, and those things are as
economically measurable if we care about themas the whatever marginal increase in small business
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revenues and local tax revenues would befrom sending people into the office. Though
these are these metrics are more importantactually because we're caring about people, they're
more important. Helping people with disabilitiesand helping to reduce the carbon footprint,
those are things that are more important, and if we elect people into office
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that care about those things, thenwe can start to see a positive change
as we're working to organize workplaces andhave strong grassroots mobilization as well. If
you want to be a part ofthat, there are a lot of great
organizations out there, but I amhoping to spread the word through this podcast.
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I guess he's called lecture episode whereI'm talking to you and explain something.
If I want to do some morecasual chats that maybe won't be a recorded
podcast episode. If you have anyissues today, things that experiences that you
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want to talk about, the callin number eight four four four seven seven
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