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September 25, 2023 39 mins
originally aired 06.19.2023
Elaine Rock dusty roads womens mvmt
Wes Davis
Aariane Szu-Tu of Nat Geo
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Don't you always want to be thebest you can be. The Frankie Boyer
Show it's more than a lifestyle show. It's a show about living in today's
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never know what's going to happen.So listen for yourself. Here is Frankie
Boyer and welcome. It is FrankieBoyer. Elaine Rock joins us, and
I absolutely just want to say,Elaine, I'm so grateful that you are

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sharing stories of how women took flightand truly made a difference. And Dusty
Rhodes is your book, How theWomen's Movement Took Fly, And as a
woman's rights advocate, historian, formertechnology executive, you write about these bold

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and extraordinary women and men who becametrailblazers against gender discrimination. And we,
uh, you know, we thinkthat this is a new kind of thing,
but this is going going on fora very long time, isn't it.
That's my whole point in writing thestory about Dusty there are there were

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so many women who actually faced suchdiscrimination in the fifties and sixties, and
I don't think a lot of peopletoday are aware of that and that so
I was inspired to make that knownand so that today's women can stand on
their sholders as they're trying to fightpoliticians trying to turn the clock back today.

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Yes, what was it about DustyDusty Rhodes story her role in women's
in the women's liberation movement. Well, her role in the women's liberation movement
was was one of the first whoreally started it. Most people think Glorious
Dinah and Betty for Dan were theones who started at all. But in

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fact I had an opportunity to hearDusty and Gloria speak with each other at
a fundraiser once, and Dusty saysto Gloria, I haven't had a chance
to thank you for everything you've donefor women. And Gloria turned around to
her and she said, oh,no, Dusty, I should be the
one thanking you. You're the onewho started it all. So I knew

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I had a story then, andI and then Dusty and I became friends.
I met her at a YMCA pool. How fabulous is that? It
was pretty pretty serendip it is.I have to say, how how old
was Dusty when you met her?When I met her, she was in

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her she was about eighty six,eighty seven. She's ninety five now and
she's living in Santa Rosa, California, and I'm in the same area.
Mm hmm. And when go ahead, I'm sorry, good, no,
go ahead. And so when sheyou know, when she's told my friends

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and I who were there, howmuch discrimination there was, and there were
girdle checks for stewardesses, and theyhad wayans, and then they had a
policy firing them at age thirty two. And of course there were marriage bands
at those times for many women andwomen's occupations. We were just enthralled because

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she was fighting all of this whenwe were children and growing up. When
you when you first decided to writeabout her story and her being a trailblazer,
did you ever think that it wouldturn into the book that it is

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today? I yes, I did, because when I after meeting her,
I did some research and there havebeen mentions of her in other books.
Moving the Mountain by Florid Davis inthe nineties she was. I found the
video on her interview with PBS onehundred Women Who Make America, So I

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thought now needed this book needed tocome out because because nobody really knew about
her, and it was a foundationfor the Second the Women's Liberation movement,
the Second Way Women's Women's Liberation Movement. How old was Dusty when she first

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started working? She started working innineteen fifty at age twenty two. Huh
and what was it like back thenfor a woman to go to work,
Well, for a women to goto work, they were under some constraints.

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One in particular was the commonality offiring women as they got married in
some occupations like teaching, nursing andstewardesses and women after the war we had

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during World War Two, the Women'sAir Force Service pilots were flying B fifty
twos to various locations in the countryand then they just banded them. And
that was what Dusty wanted to do. But at that point, when the
men came back from World War Two, commercial airlines forbid women to become pilots.

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So Dusty wanted to be a pilot, but the best she could do
was to be a stewardess. Sothat's why she became a stewardess, and
because she wanted to fly, shewanted the adventure. You know, we
look at this story and say,wait a minute, women couldn't be pilots

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back then any lane. That's correct, women could not be pilots. In
fact, women couldn't be pilots untilthe nineteen seventies. Pretty amazing, isn't
that. I mean, I'm shocked, my mouth is open. Actually,
yeah, there were a lot ofthings women couldn't do back then. Women

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couldn't couldn't own property, Women couldn'topen up their own checking accounts without a
mail co signer. They uh,you know, they couldn't have banking accounts
without a co signer. They couldn'town stock without a co signer. Dusty
Dusty has a story where she wastrying to sell a stock and the woman

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said, well, we need yourhusband's signature. Well I don't have a
husband. So single women didn't haveit too well either. Oh my gosh.
And when you I have to ask, what does Dusty think of the
book? Now? Oh Dusty,I believe Dusty is waiting for it to

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come out. I mean, she'sninety five now, and she says,
I can't wait to read it,and as I and and she is really
excited about it. I think we'vebeen talking about it for a long time.
And it took me a while toget a publisher because I haven't published

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anything particular book right, So thatwas it was difficult for me to get
there. Oh, I bet,I bet when you figured out that this
was I mean, let's go backto this original story of how Dusty became
a powerful voice for the union andtell us how how that all happened.

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Well, basically, she had startedattending union meetings when she was in the
Los Angeles home base and was toldthat the rule firing stewardesses at age thirty
two was probably going to come upin the contract negotiations, and this was

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in nineteen fifty three. The airlineswanted their stewardesses to be young, single
and attractive for the traveling businessmen.The whole the airlines were primarily their passengers
were businessmen, and they used thisas a very femininity as a marketing point

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in many ways. And she didn'tbelieve that would happen, but she joined
the union, and when it didhappen, she was in sense, because
it offended her sense of fair play. And since she and what happened was
they were grandmothered, as we callit, if they had been hired prior

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to the age rule coming in,so she had nothing to lose to fight
it. So she her background wassuch that she was always a leader in
her school organizations, so she wantedto make sure that she thought it on
behalf of her sisterhood of stewart assistant. And she she was a charismatic woman

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who had a gift to gab anda sense of humor too. So she
was extremely confident, and I'd likenher to a rottweiler who's common confident whenever
she walks into a room and peoplepay attention. So so she she became
vice chair for her union and beganreally with managing grievances for her fellow stewardesses.

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We have to take a quick break. I'm so sorry. Hold on
hold that thought. Elane Elaine iswith us today, Eline Rock. The
book is called Dusty Rhodes, Howthe woman's movement took flight. And we'll
be back in a moment. What'sthe best website? Elaine Rock dot com.
E L A I N. Er O c K dot com.
We'll be right back. Stay tune, Thank you player. We're in the

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fascinating conversation with Elane Rock. Howthe woman's movement took flight, literally took
flight. Dusty Rhodes, We're talkingabout Dusty Rhodes. Elaine she was,
she was so disgusted with the regulationsand the rules and the discrimination. I

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mean, how did she deal withit all? Well, she she had
an incident where her father was terminallyill, and she moved to Washington,
DC and she became She lived atthe Hotel Congressional in This was nineteen fifty
eight and met so many congressional aidslike Bob Michael and Side Dane. But

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mostly most important she met Martha WrightGriffiths, who was a congresswoman. Through
her aid and penning, and soshe became part of the Washington DC social
scene. And after her father died, the Union president appointed her a lobbyist
for the union and this included mostdomestic airlines at the time. So she

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she would go to Washington, DCfrom her LA base. She moved back
to Los Angeles. From her LAbase, she'd go to Washington, DC
and testify as at congressional hearings onsafety and the age rule, and also
on alcohol because there was there wasair rage even back then. There were

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out there were people who were unrulyif alcohol and drugs even then. But
anyway, she decided that she meta congressman who helped her write a bill,
and he introduced it into committee tooverturn the age role. Unfortunately,

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men in the committee there were nowomen. There were only fifteen women in
the House and one woman in theSenate at the time. The committee ridiculed
the age role and called it theOld Broad's Bill, and it never made
it out of committee. And that'swhen Dusty realized that she wasn't just fighting

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management, but she was fighting nationalgender discrimination and they needed to do something
more dramatic. So in nineteen sixtythree, when the contract was up and
no movement was happening with the managementand overturning the age roll and the marriage
vand she organized with another stewardess apress conference, which is normal to do

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when there are stand standstills with unionnegotiations. You want to get the public
involved. So they organized a pressconference to say let them know what was
going on and that they wanted theage world to be overturned, and she
was the one who walked up andintroduced the issue by saying, gentlemen,

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I'm thirty six, twenty six thirtysix, five foot eight hundred twenty five
pounds, naturally blond hair a lolita, I'm not, but do I look
like an old bag? She wasone of eight stewardesses they had on stage
four we're under thirty two. Four, we're over thirty two, and the
press just said, oh, no, no, I don't you don't look

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like an old bag. And thenshe introduced the others and said, well,
the airlines think I'm over ripe formy age, and they're looking for
nineteen year old lolitas the airlines,and that safety and experience is what counts.
So after that, the negotiations cameto a halt because the management was

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so angry that they would actually pulloff such a press conference that it literally
went viral with the newspapers across thecountry and she was on the front page
everywhere. So but it didn't workto change the negotiations on the Age Ruler
marriage band. But she knew thattitle seven was coming up, So when

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that when titles seven of the CivilRights Act prohibited discrimination based on color,
sex, natural origin, and nationalorigin or religion. She knew that there
was an age see that was goingto open up called the Equal Up Employment

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Opportunities Commission the next year, andshe had a friend who was about to
be fired at age thirty two,and they walked into the EOC office and
filed the first discrimination complaint in thecountry. I love it. And what
people may not realize is that womenthat were attendance back then. Flight attendants

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had to have to do weigh insas well. They had to weigh a
certain amount. Yes, the maximumwhen Dusty first started there was a maximum
of one hundred and thirty pounds proportionateto your height, so so, and
they had to be charming and hadplenty of right. Right, But there

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still is there's still an age.How did they get away with that?
There's still an age limit for pilots, I can understand, but flight attendants
still have an age. They don'tthey I think it's sixty five, right,
if a normal retirement age. Butthere have been flight attendants who who

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are kept on. There was onerecently, an article in a year or
so ago that was uh, stillflying at age eighty something, they let
her fly. It's as long asshe could do the job. In fact,
I think the whole point is thatthe women, women can become a

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flight attendant at any age pretty muchand make it a career. They couldn't
even make it a career in Dusty'stime. So let's see. I think
I think that I was going toSarah that I have a niece who's fifty

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two. She decided she was soinspired by Dusty she became a flight attendant.
So and she loves it. SoI think it's a matter of a
normal retirement age. In fact,they can retire later than pilots can.
Pilots have to retire at age sixtysixty. And yeah, that's exciting.

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And you are someone who wanted totell the story because as a woman's rights
advocate and historian, how do youpick and choose some of the women here
that you profile? You know,I actually find that the stories find me.
I've run into women. One ofthe books I'd like to write after

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this is a compilation of short storieson women who in the sixties, seventies,
and eighties decided that they wanted tohave a job that other men would
only fulfill normally. So I've foundone of the first female firefighters in San

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Francisco. I've found a biologist ina water company agency. I know a
lady who I ran into and meta woman who was a UPS truck driver.
And some of their stories of harassment, Oh yeah, I would love

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to hear about those. Hey,Elane, this has been wonderful. Thank
you so much for stopping by.And what's chatting with as me? Elaine
Rock give us the best way peoplecan find you. They can find me
on my website at E L AI N E R O c K dot
com. And thanks. Protect methere all right, and we will take

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a quick break and be right back. I'm Frankie boy and welcome back,

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Frankie Boyer. I don't know whenwas the last time you did a road
trip? Do you all remember whenthat was? Well? What if you
went on a road trip with HenryFord and Thomas Edison and you and you
added John Burrows in the early yearsof the twentieth century, what would that

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road trip be like? That isthe premise of American Journey on the Road
with Henry Ford, Thomas Edison,and John Burrows. West Davis is with
us today. West is getting,by the way, phenomenal reviews on this
book. Congratulations, Kirkus says,a rare account of brilliant minds as they

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set off in search of America.Was this fictional or nonfiction? And Wes
welcome to the program. Oh,thank you very much, it's great to
be here. This is one hundredpercent fact this story. I agree that
it sounds like fiction, but everyeverything he actually took place at the beginning

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of the twentieth century. So howdid so? Were the three of them
friends? Yeah? So the waythis happened, Ford and Edison had been
friends since the eighteen nineties. Fordactually worked at the Edison Illuminating Company in
Detroit. He had taken that jobin order to try to learn more about

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electricity at a time when he wasbuilding his first internal combustion engines, and
he wound up traveling east for aconference of Edison companies, met the boss,
and he and Edison hit it off, and you know, sort of
remain friends up until nineteen twelve whenFord met Burrows. And when Burrows comes

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into the mix, it sort ofcatalyzed that friendship and the three of them
became really fast friends. Wow.I'm so fascinated by this road trip.
Wouldn't this be a fun movie?Wouldn't it be a fun movie? Yeah?
I mean, you know, puttingthe story together, I kept sort

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of seeing it as a movie.I mean, it really unfolds that way
as these these three very different peoplecome together and then you know, bond
even more strongly on this series ofroad trips. And so was it.
It was a series of road trips, not one road trip, that's right.
Yeah. So in the book,I focus on one kind of epic

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trip in nineteen eighteen when these three, along with Harvey Firestone the tire maker
and his son oh yeah, traveleddown into the great Smoky Mountains of Tennessee
and North Carolina. So that's kindof the hard the book, and I
give you know, the bulk ofthe time to that. But Ford and
Burrows actually made their first trip togetherin nineteen thirteen when they went up to

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Conquered Massachusetts to look at Ralph WaldoEmerson and Henry David Throw's old stomping grounds
there. How fun, how absolutelyfun? How did you find out about
the road trips? Wells on mybackground, I was an English professor for

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quite a while and I spent allthat time you writing about writers, and
John Burrows was one of the peopleI was interested in. So I was
digging through his correspondence one day andI came across a letter in which he's
telling a friend that Henry Ford ofautomobile fame is an admirer of his books.
So you know, that was interesting. But he goes on to say

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that Ford wants to send him aModel T, and you know, I
have to dig into that and findout what happened. So I found out
why Ford sent the Model T,and then learned that they became friends and
wound up traveling together. Oh mygosh, I'll tell you there. And
you have on the cover the pictureof the three of them. Yes,

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that particular picture is from Fort Myers, where in nineteen fourteen they traveled down
to Edison's Florida house called Seminole Lodgeand spent a couple of weeks together there.
And on that trip they actually woundup taking a couple of cars and
driving out into the Everglades, whichat this time was completely undeveloped, you

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know, swamp land, and guys, they're driving out, the roads are
just disappearing and they wound up drivingover these shallow lakes and they never know
when the bottom is just going todrop out, so they're kind of inching
their way along. And they campedout in the Everglades. Huge storm rolls
in, knocks down their tents andthey wake up, you know, in

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puddles that are quickly deepening, andyou would think that that would sort of
put a damper on their enthusiasm forcamping, but in fact, everyone had
a great time and that became thekind of you know, moment that propelled
them toward these later trips. Whatwas the ages? What were their ages
when that picture was taken? Ifyou happen to know, that's nineteen fourteen,

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so Burrows would have been about seventysix. I think Henry Ford is
about a quarter of a century youngerthan that, and Edison is ten years
older than Ford. So we're lookingat around fifty round sixty and around seventy
five seventy six. Yeah, yeah, I can't imagine what visionaries talked about

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back then and what they created onthat road trip. Yes I can't.
Yeah, I'd fascinate, you know. I became interested in it just for
the adventure, but then as youdig into it, you find that real
results came out of it. Youknow. One of the things they became
fascinated with on the nineteen eighteen tripwas the way they would find these abandoned

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grain mills by the side of theroad. And so they wound up stopping
every time they saw one of these, and they would get out and kind
of climb all over the grain mill, and Ford would inspect the mechanism,
you know. He always wanted tosee how mechanical things work, and then
he would begin sort of calculating howmuch energy you could get from this,
and that really sort of fed intosome projects that Ford put into motion later

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on at Ford Motor Company. Imean, they are visionaries. Visionaries tell
us kind of curiosity how old theywere when they when they all did eventually
pass. Uh. Let's see,Bows died in nineteen twenty one, so

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just a few years after the nineteeneighteen trip. Ford died I think in
nineteen forty seven. He was bornin eighteen sixty three. Edison, I
believe died in in nineteen thirty one. So the math is not popping into
my head, but you can seeYEA Burrows was quite uh at a quiet

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van stage when he when he died, and imagine their their mutual interest in
Ralph Waldo Emerson. Imagine that whowould have ever sunk it? Yeah,
you know, I mean that's that'sfascinating too, because you know, I

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think it's Burrows who gets Ford interestedin Emerson, and Ford then winds up
reading Emerson's essay on compensation. AndI make the case in the book that
that's one of the things that drivesforward at the beginning of nineteen fourteen to
announce the five dollar work day,and which was just a revolutionary moment in

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American labor because it basically doubled whatworkers got for a day of work at
the time, and at the sametime, for Frank the work day from
nine hours to eight hours. AndI really believe that came out of his
triple Borrows up to conquered Massachusetts,you know, to sort of look at
Emerson's house and talk about Emerson andread his essays. I just find it.

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I'm thinking about these three extraordinary humanbeings, and I'm thinking about just
taking time from life and work andto just do what they did. I
mean, imagine doing that today.Imagine calling one of your dear friends,
and then another friend and the threeof you go off. You have an

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adventure for an unlimited amount of time. Right. Well, you know,
one way to think of this isthat Ford and Edison between them had completely
changed the world. I mean,they had had invented the modern a yeah,
and Burrows is helping them for acouple of weeks a year to escape
from that world that they themselves hadcreated. Such a cool concept. And

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I'm so glad that you that youwrote about this West I really am as
an author, and your writings haveappeared everywhere in New York Times, while
Street Journal. It must have beena trip for you to just do the
research on this. Yeah, itwas fascinating. I mean, Burrows's journal

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was really wonderful to read. Itreally gives you a glimpse of that period,
you know, when Burrows is sortof tracing the change from the nineteenth
century world he grew up in tothe modern age that we were all born
into, and then following the storiesof the road trips almost turned by turn,
you know, I was able topiece it together and follow them very

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closely. So it was really afascinating story. Oh, I love it.
Give us the best website and howpeople can find out more about American
Journey, West Davis. The bestthing is to go to your bookstore.
Wherever you buy books, American Journeyshould be there and the next thing I
do will show up right beside it. Awesome, awesome, Thanks so much

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for being with us. Thank youvery much. It's great to talk with
you, and we will be backin just a moment. Stay tuned.
Frankie Buyer and joining us now.Arian Zitsu is a senior editor for National

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What was it for you? Areal fun edition this year? Probably
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