Dan Buettner "Secrets for Living Longer" and Judge Carol Chumney "The Arena: One Woman's Story"

https://danbuettner.com/

https://carolchumney.com/

Episode Transcript

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Here is Frankie Boyer. When DanBoutner stops by The Frankie Boyer Show,
because I have been a fan ofhis work. That started many, many,
many, many many years ago.And Dan, if I tell everybody,

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we'll give away our age. Butit started a long time ago when
you became involved with National Geographic andlooking at the centenarians of the world,
and then came the Blue Zones.And now we have the new the newest
book is The Blue Zones Secrets forLiving Longer, Lessons from the Healthiest Places

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on Earth And who wouldn't want toknow anything and everything about these people?
And your twenty years of work onthe Blue zones have been so exciting and
I've been one of your biggest fans, so welcome back as always. Well,
I'm sending you a telephonic hug fromthe Poort and Minneapolis, and thank

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you for such a generous introduction.Oh no, it's the truth, because
you have made us all aware ofso many things, Dan that we as
Americans need to understand how powerful foodis, number one, how powerful intention
is, how powerful connections are,how powerful movement is and as we all

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have gone through the ravages of COVIDin every way emotionally, physically, and
spiritually and are depleted and now needto understand the power of food. And
my biggest, my biggest complaint aboutthe COVID conversation was the lack of conversation

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about the nutritious need for food.And we never got there in this country.
But it's so fascinating because first ofall, tell everybody where the blue
zones are in this world. Well, you know, the whole idea was
to reverse the engineer longevity. Insteadof looking for the secret in a test
tube or Petri dish, we workwith demographers and really for several years to

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identify demographically confirmed areas where people areliving the longest. We found the longest
of women in the history of theworld in Okyo in Japan, the longest
of men in the world. Inthe highlands of Sardinia, on the island
of Korea, we found a populationof ten thousand, virtually without dementia,
living about eight years longer than therest of us. In the Nicoya Peninsula

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of Costa Rica. This was aplace where people spend one fifteenth the amount
we do what healthcare, yet they'retwo to three times more likely to reach
a healthy age ninety. And thenfinally, among the Seventh day Adventists in
loman ly to California, you knowa population of Americans living about six or
seven years longer than their Californian counterparts. And because we know only twenty percent

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of their longevity is genes, byfinding the common denominators, we have a
fairly convincing recipe for longevity and thesustained now four New York Times bestselling books,
this new one, It's really meantto be the companion, the one,

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the only one book you need ifyou want to if you want to
understand this whole blue zone approach,the longevity and now a Netflix series.
Oh my gosh, congratulations. I'mso excited for you. You so what
I love about this new book andI am absolutely crazy about this new book.

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I've already gone through it. I'vetalked about it on Eric so many
times already. Is that you giveus from every zone that you talk about,
from the blue zones, the choppedlongevity food so for example, from
Sardinia, barley, fava, beans, cole Robbie, God bless them.

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I never could get into that.And no potatoes, sour bread, dough,
sour dough bread, olive oil,rosemary, tomatoes, and wine from
their region. And you do thisfrom every segment. Top top longevity foods

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from nicoya from Costa Rica, andthey they all have. It seems to
me that they have a few commondenominators, and that's beans tend to be
really big on the list. That'sright. If you're eating a cup of
beans a day, you're probably havefour extra years of life expectancy. It's

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the cornerstone of every longevity diet inthe world. It's affordable most Americans,
and eight percent of Americans do notget enough protein, enough fiber, and
beans. Give you a cup ofbeans that give you half of all the
fiber you need in a day,great source of protein better than bee For
pork, you have to eat alittle bit more, but but you get

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healthier protein and plus the floids andthe magnesium and the and the phyto nutrients.
They're just an amazing food. Andyou know, we have I travel
over America. We get hired bycities to make them healthier, and I
hear over and over people say,well, I can't afford to beat healthy.
Anybody who can afford a pound ofbeans, which last time I check

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costs about two dollars, and canput some grain with that and maybe some
spices, they have the healthiest meon Earth. Yes, yes, years
ago, when we one of ourconversations from from all of the different books
and series and all of that fromNational Geographic, we talked about the fact

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that we we in America are notaware of the delatarious effects of the foods
that we're eating. We're just notaware that that's fast food that we're consuming
every single day. It used tobe you know, it used to be
once a week, or it usedto be for convenience sake, you know,

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maybe a couple of times during theweek, and then it became,
you know, maybe three or fourtime, and now it's like everyday people
are eating fast boots. They areeating it every single day, unfortunately.
And you shared with us that what'sso interesting about the Blue Zone centenarians is
that they use meat, fish chickenas a condiment. Can you imagine Americans

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hearing this and saying, what soexplained to us? Yeah, so you
meat's a problem, but even abigger problem, I think is the attic,
sugars and the processed food. Soaccording to the CDC, we lose
about six hundred and eighty thousand Americansprematurely every year. They die eating the
standard American diet. And we failedto realize that we've lost more Americans eating

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Americans than we've lost it all warsince the Civil War. But yet we
don't really take it, you know, we don't. We don't fight back
like we do when it comes toour military budget, and we should be
so. In Blue zones, it'smostly a hope food plant based diet.
It's they eat. They do eatmeat, but only about five times per

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month. Meat is a celebratory foodor like you point out, a condiment,
you know, they'll use a pieceof pork the size of a marshmallow
to flavor a big pot of beans. You know, you still get that
umami flavor, but without all thefat and the hormones and the pesticides,
and you know things that that meatstend to aggregate. And we in America

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eat about two hundred and twenty poundsof meat per person for your and that's
just too much dead animal. Ifyou're eating meat more than about once a
day, your chances of type twodiabetes, certain types of cancer, and
cardiovascular disease about triple. And youknow if we if we, if we
do that with eyes wide open,it can really start to govern our food

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choices. So I just want toreiterate the Blue Zone, Blue Zones Kitchen,
Blue Zones Challenge, Blue Zone Solution, Blue Zones Happiness. One of
the things that that you those areall all of the books that you've done.

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There's so many of the books,but those are just a couple of
the books. And one of thebooks that you did was on happiness.
And I, you know, foodis so critical and you will not see
a family I would suspect from Sardiniacelebrating with the fast foods and the and

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the junk that we eat. Butmore importantly, they make their foods and
their gatherings a celebration family friends,They bring them together. It's it's the
glue that happened years ago in theAmerican family as well. I mean,

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who didn't you know Sunday was theday that we all rested. We didn't
go shopping. There was not twentyfour seven news, and we actually visited
with family. Families came. Therewere these magnificent homemade meals where foods were
whole foods and people were eating wholefoods. Dan Butner is here The Blue

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Zone Secrets for Living Longer. Thisis the ultimate book. He is the
number one New York Times bestselling author. Soon to be Netflix Lessons from the
Healthiest Places on Earth And the bestwebsite is Dan Bunter dot com. And
I'm Frankie Boyer, Stay tuned andwelcome back and Dan Booner Course and it's

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Dan bu E T T N orThe Blue Zones Secrets for Living Longer is
his. I love this book,the photographs, the stories, the amazing,
amazing people that make up the threadsof this extraordinary group of centenarians.

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So before we get into recipes andmore, about top foods. You were
sharing with us that this gathering thatwe used to have in America Sunday dinners
happens all the time in the bluezones. And explain to us about that,
Well, people live a long timein the blue zone, not because

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they have a better step individual responsibility, or they're more discipline than we are.
They just live in an environment whereit's easier for them to be healthy.
And that's the big idea that youknow, the book talks more about
changing your environment as opposed to changingyour behavior. So to your point,
it's much easier to eat healthy whenall of your friends eat healthy, so

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proactively surrounding yourself with vegans or vegetarians. People indeed do sit around the family
table before they start eating. Theyexpress some gratitude and that puts some nice
punctuation between their busy lives and theirfood, so they're less likely to gobble
up their food before they're full,and they don't even realize it. We

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know that in America, families thatsit together and eat the children have better
nutrition, and they tend to conte, tend to contute to a calory.
But and then, of course,the bigger pictures our food environment. You
know, if you live in aneighborhood with more than six fast food restaurants

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within a quarter mile of your home, you're about thirty five percent more likely
to be obese than if you livein a neighborhood where there are fewer than
three fast food restaurants. And Bluezones, by the way, have no
fast food restaurants. The point beinghere, if you want to live longer,
and this is a message mainly toour policy makers but also to our
homemakers, if you want to livelonger, set up your ecosystem you're surrounding,

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so you're removing the temptations to dounhealthy things, and you make the
healthy things salient and easy and funand delicious. And that's the Blue Zones
way. So well said, Wecan take so many pages from the blue
zones. What do you think thebiggest problem why cannot why can we not

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hear this story or do we notwant to hear the story? Is the
policymaking in the You know, becausewe know that the additives in the disruptors
that are hormonal disruptors in our foodstoday are causing great harm. Why isn't
anyone not listening or are they,Well, here's the bad news a zoozon,

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I don't have anything to sell you. I don't have a pill or
supplement or super food or something elsethat Marketers make money when they sell us
some sort of processed food and theyput a healthy label on it. Our
healthcare system only makes money when youget sick. Make no mistake about this.

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Pharmaceutical companies want you coming in fora prescription. Hospitals want you coming
in renting beds. Doctors need youto come in for a check up and
for a procedure or a surgery ora new prescription. Are the the the
incentives are misaligned. It's not untilAmerica realizes that we need to incent health

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in the first place that we're goingto get to change. And unfortunately,
the lobbyists, the hospital lobbyists,the medical association, the pharmaceutical companies,
they want the status quo. Theydon't want to spending money on prevented because
it's not going to be good.I know, it sounds like it's a
conspiracy, and there's actually no villainhere. It's just the way our health
is to be evolved. Over time. It incents for sickness, and we

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hope for health and loan the whole. We have a severely sick America,
with three quarters of US obese oroverweight, and one hundred million of US
suffering from pre diabetes or diabetes.And here we have these places around the
world where we know people are livinglonger, and they're doing it by very

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clear strategies that we just need topay attention and start doing it them.
So should we as Americans. Whenyou look at all of the places around
the world, Singapore, for example, what is it about their culture and
their lifestyle that makes them so differentfrom us? So you mentioned Singapore in

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my book, I announced that asa blue zone two point zero in our
life time, where's life expectancy hasgone up by twenty five years. They
now produced the healthiest, longest inpopulation in the world. They have twelve
years longer than Americans. And it'snot because they have some vague culture that's
better than I. It's because thegovernment got in there and said, we're

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putting the health of our population.I had a business interests, So they
have had the courage to tax unhealthyfoods and to subsidize healthy foods. They
tax traffic and cars and gasoline andpollution and they subsidize walkways in efficient,
clean, fast, safe public transportation. I give instead of helping subsidize retirement

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homes, they give tax breaks tofamilies who keep their aging parents living within
them or living the nearby. Yeah. Yeah, makes sense life expectancy to
them. So that's a kind ofpush they take. So one of the
things that I find the irony ofAmerica. And I love my country and

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I love living in America, andI don't want to knock it, but
I'm just saying that what concerns meis that when you go to a hospital
and you go into the cafeteria,it's just appalling, and the foods that
patients are eating at that hospital.When you walk into a school in our

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country, in this great United Statesof America, one would have thought that
the lunch room foods could be changed. And I don't know why highly processed
foods are still being used. Whenyou go to food banks in this country,

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it's pretty disgusting the canned goods andthe foods that are being given.
And yes, people need food,but is there a way that we can
make a healthier transition to those foodsto give to the people that needed Just
your thoughts on that. Well there, yeah, well, I mean there's
hospitals like in one of our Bluezoned cities MC, the hospital in Naples.

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The CEO there said, you know, we're getting sick people coming in
as part because of our food,and he pulled the junk food out of
vending machines and out of the cafeteriaand serves all healthy food. The problem
with schools is that it takes alot of money. You know, since
the Reagan administration, basically all schoolcooks have been fired. And now all

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the cooks all they do is warmthings up, and they get loads of
largely processed, unhealthy food from placeslike Cisco where they just warm it up
and throw it in a tray.And the economics are just too expensive to
bring back. We would have to, you know, basically to take more
taxpayer money and subsidized healthier school lunches, and that's not something taxpayers want to

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do in most cases. The newbook is called The Blue Zones Secrets for
Living Longer, Lessons from the HealthiestPlaces on Earth, soon to be a
Netflix series, and Dan Vootner giveus the best website, It's Dan Budner
dot com and also act Dan Bauderon Instagram. If you have any questions,

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I'll answer them directly. Wonderful,Thank you so much, Dan.
This is Frank stage and welcome back. And it is such a pleasure and

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an honor to welcome a woman whoreally and truly wants us to understand the
inequalities in our world today when itcomes to women. And you know our
representation politically, and I've never talkedpolitics, but this is such an important

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subject because there is not the amountof equality that we need in the political
world and we need to really andtruly open the doors to allow women to
have higher offices as well. Andjoining us today is Judge Carol Johnny and

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Judge Carroll. Welcome to the program. You're an elected Shelby County Circuit Court
judge. You took the bench Septemberin twenty twenty two. Prior to this,
you were an attorney in private practicein Memphis. You served thirteen years
in the Tennessee State House, earningnumerous awards. You served four years as

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a Memphis City councilwoman, standing upagainst pension and spending abuses by officials.
You've made valid efforts to be electedcounty mayor in Memphis and in Memphis mayor
in two thousand and seven, andwe're so thrilled that you are here today

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and you also have a new bookout. Yeah, so thank you so
much for having me on. Whatan honor to be on your show.
And the book is called The Arena, One Woman Story. It's a story
about politics, women in politics,and integrity and politics, and basically it's

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the last twenty five years. Itgoes through the last twenty five years of
Memphis and Tennessee politics and also myefforts to break the glass ceiling here in
Memphis, which is still as wesit here today, has never had a
woman mayor. Disgusting. It isso disgusting. The glass ceiling is a

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real problem, and it's not justin politics, but we we are talking
today about how do we how dowe allow this inequality to happen for so
long? What do we need todo as women? What do we need
to say, how do we needto be in this world to say we

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need to have equality? Well,well that's why I wrote the book because
basically, as I say, youhave to see it to defeat it.
So they call it the glass ceiling, which is saying it's something. It's
it's it's glass, so you can'treally see that there's a ceiling there for
women in many yeah, in manyfields, not just in politics. And

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so I wrote the book because Ithought, you know, I'd tried to
be elected county maryor try to beelected city mayor. I came in a
close second in two thousand and sevento city mayor, the closest of woman's
ever come in the Mestis metropolitan areato be elected mayor, but still in
quite one, quite able to breakthrough. And so I thought, what

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can I do to change it?You know, it's a cultural problem,
it's a problem in with the pressand media reporting. It's a problem in
terms of financial support for certain candidates. And so I thought, well,
I guess I'll write a book andtry to show it. So I tried
to do a show and tell inthe book where I use newspaper clippings that

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I kept for twenty five years toactually document and show when I ran for
this office, she's the best thingI get, you know, the best
thing since fly spread. But whenyou're running from mayor now, you're just
not right for that job. AndI just tried to show it to shed
a light on it. How badis it though, Carroll Judge, Carroll,

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Yeah, well how bad is it? It is hard. And I
didn't really talk about this that muchin the book because I don't see it
as a female or male issue.What I tell people is just vote for
the best candidate, and then,you know, sometimes that's the woman,
sometimes that's the man. I'm notsaying you always have to vote for the

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woman, you know, But unfortunately, I do talk about this a little
bit in the book that women seemsometimes embarrassed, are like they have to
explain why they're voting for a woman, and they'll say who I'm voting for
or so and said, but it'snot because she's a woman, you know,
And it's just like, no,there's nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed

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about voting for a woman if she'sthe best qualified, if she's going to
do the best job. So Ithink women sometimes they feel a little bit
like they have to explain themselves,and men never feel that way. For
the most apartment, are just like, yeah, I'm going to vote for
this person. And so I thinkthis culture as women have been taught you
know that sometime we have to explainbetter. Or justify more, or earn

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work a little bit harder to earnthe same the same job. And I
think I think we need to changethat. Oh absolutely, we really do.
We so much need to, youknow. I your book is called
The Arena, One Woman's Story,and it's about your experiences in the in
the political arena. But we asas Americans are losing out because women bring

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so much more to the table.And it's so hard. It's so hard
for people to understand that they needto take ownership and start understanding that this
is it's the best person for thejob. But there are many women that
need to be elected because they arethe best person for the job. Yeah.

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Women have tremendous skills and ability,and I think sometimes we underestimate what
we can do. And as Itold somebody the other day, you know,
they said, well, you know, why did you, you know,
think you do a good job asmayor? And I just said,
Hey, when I was in school, law school, college, we had
anonymous grading, so I came awayknowing that, you know, I did

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better than most of the guys inmy class. So I never had this
feeling that, you know, Iwasn't able to do a job, and
my parents they raised me thinking Icould do things. And so with that
background that that enabled me to justkeep trying and not quit. And a
lot of things I've been able toaccomplish in life have been because I didn't

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quit. I just persisted. ButI think that it's hard because if the
political arena is very challenging, youhave to have thick skin, you know.
I'll give you an example. WhenI first got elected to the State
House in Tennessee at the age oftwenty nine. In my first year,
they used to pass these little notes, anonymous notes to people on the house

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floor. I was one. Therewere thirteen women out of ninety nine state
representatives, and I got an anonymouslypassed a condom on the house floor.
So this was my introduction and myfirst year of elected politics. And so
that just kind of shows you there'sthese little subtle things that are happening as

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you go, but you have tojust keep pushing forward and fighting. Because
I was able to do a lotfor women, men and kids because of
my position. I passed a majorchildcare which was written up in Time magazine.
I got a lot of things doneto help people because I was there
and kept fighting, but we do, you know, we do need to
give women these chances. So what'sthe real story about women and represented in

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the US in Congress and state legislatorsin statewide. Well, I go through
the numbers, and I can't remember, you know, off the top of
my head. It's still not youknow, compare anywhere comparable. And in
fact, it's really sad. Atthe end of my book, I talk
about how when I was elected tothe State House in Tennessee in nineteen ninety
there were thirteen women out of ninetynine, and when my book was published

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just this past year, there wereonly still about fourteen women out of ninety
nine. So it really hadn't changed. And in fact, I talked about
in nineteen ninety five, I wason the state House floor gave a speech.
It was the celebration of women's suffragein America, which you know,
in nineteen twenty women got the rightto vote. And so in nineteen ninety

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five I gave a speech on theHouse floor about how we hadn't come far
enough as women, and and andthen and when I published the book,
you know, here we are nineteentwenty twenty three, we still have never
had a woman governor of Tennessee.We've never still never had a female state
constitutional officer in Tennessee. You know, we just elected a woman to the

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US Senate recently, we have weyou know, it's it's the numbers are
dismal and and and obvious years havegone by and uh and it still hasn't
changed. So, you know,I think that we do see women running,
you know now for president, butyou know, none of the women
that ran were elected. The womanvice president we have now was picked by

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a man. So you know,at some point we have to give women
these chances. We really do.I I don't know when and when and
how. But when you look aroundthe world, Carol, how many female
prime ministers have there been? Howmany? You know, quite a few

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other child And I do have thatas a footnote in the book. I
talk about women have led countries allover the world. Queens, women have
been the queen, women have beenthe prime ministers, women have been in
leadership positions all over the world andmany countries. And why in America,
when we, you know, prideourselves of being in demark absolutely having equality

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and fairness, why are in ourcountry aren't we able to do that.
Well, we're going to discuss thatand a lot more with Judge Carroll when
we come back from break. Hernew book is out, The Arena One
Woman Story, such an important story. I'm Frankie Boyer. We'll take a
quick break and Judge Carroll please tellus what the best website is. Www.

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Carroll Chumney dot com. We'll beright back state and welcome back.
Judge Carroll is with us, andshe is the author of The Arena,

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One Woman's Story and it's about herexperiences as a woman in the political arena.
And unfortunately, Judge Carroll, weare still as we were talking when
we got to the break. Innineteen twenty American women secured the right to
vote, So why are we notelected? It's been a lot of a

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lot of years, Cheryl, JudgeCarroll. That's one of the things I
talk about in the and where Iserved in the state legislature. I served
from nineteen ninety to two thousand andthree. I was an elected state representative
in Tennessee and in the state legislature. Tennessee was a state that put us
over the top by one vote inthe state House where I served, one
man his vote pushed us over wherewe all got the right to vote in

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nineteen twenty. But yet still wehaven't made the gains we need to make.
And it's a cultural problem. AndI'll give you another example, just
so absurd. When I ran formayor in two thousand and seven here in
Memphis, and I came within sevenpoints, the closest of woman's ever come
to being point being able to beelected the mayor. The incumbent mayor ran

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for reelection. He had been inlike seventeen years or something. He ran
for sixteen years. He ran forre election, then he started trying to
resign after he defeated me by onlyseven points. He started trying to resign
in only four months after the election, and then he eventually did resign in
a year and a half after sayinghe only ran to stop me from being
the mayor. I mean, thatjust shows you how ingrained this culture is,

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and that, you know, maybethere's some fear there something about letting
a woman have leadership. But women, you know, many women have integrity,
they have they have wisdom, andyou know, they have the ability
to do things and we should givethem a chance. Oh my gosh,
so young women listening to this,What do you encourage them to do?

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How do they get involved in localYou know, I walk around in my
neighborhood, Judge Carroll, and Isee all of these young kids, I
call them kids, but these youngmen and women, but mostly these young
women that moved into the neighborhood,and I want to just shake them and

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say, now that you're here,this is your community. What are you
going to do? How can youbecome involved and become part of the community.
How do you become more involved ineducating people to stop putting so much.
If you saw, if you sawwhat was thrown out last week for

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moving day, you would not believe. You would not believe, brand new
tickets and tags still on clothing,on the streets, still on furniture.
I mean, it was crazy whatwas on the streets. But taking a
role and becoming I don't know,a young people not into civics anymore.

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What do we need to do?Well, it's our responsibility to educate young
people. And you know, Iremember when I was growing up, and
you know, I had good,good mentors and leaders, but I was
always fascinated and interested in serving andin politics, and and so you know,
I got involved, But I thinkwhat way I would encourage young people.

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Number One, read the arena onewoman's story, because then you will
get information about the political arena andwhat you're wrong was really going on.
How important your voice is, youknow in the political arenas women we have
to speak up because we're responsible inmany respects for the well being of children,

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the well being of families, inaddition to making sure that the workplace
runs well. So without that voiceand without women being part of that process,
and young women in particular, thenwe miss we miss uh, you
know, half of our talent.And so I think, you know,
reading, learning, not being afraidto get involved, you know, committing

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yourself to making our community better.It's something we all can We can all
contribute, but we all have aresponsibility to be leaders for the young people
and help them as well. Ijust want people to take take ownership,
to take ownership. Oh my gosh, you are feeling us with such important

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truths about the political injustices of thisworld. And I know that I want
to be able to get people listeningto take more of an active role,
to become more proactive in the community, in their neighborhoods, even if it's

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just starting with the neighborhood Judge Carroll, Yeah, there are a lot of
neighborhood leaders. I mean I hada woman the other day and she's like,
I want to get more involved.What should I do? And I
said, well, are you do? You have a neighborhood organization. You
can get involved and become a neighborhoodleader. And then but I also introduced
her to another woman who's running adomestic violence shelter and a part of our

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city, and I said, thiswoman is really doing a lot to help.
She's you know, I was aformer victim of domestic violence, she's
a survivor. Now she's devoted herlife to helping other women get out of
this situation. And this woman II introduced him, and she ended up
volunteering of there, and now she'sactually working there and she's like even living

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there. So I'm helping the women. And so who would have thought that
one connection ended up totally changing herlives and the lives of a lot of
other people. And so that's thething. You just start somewhere. You
might feel a special connection for children, and you may want to volunteer,
you know, somewhere related to helpingkids, or it maybe women her victims,

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or it may be anything. Butyou know, you start somewhere,
neighborhood organization. It's not hard.You just get started and they will be
thrilled to have you. Oh Ibet, I bet, and Judge Carroll.
Not an easy life that you havechosen. It really hasn't. But
I have to say that I thankyou so much for all the dedication and

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paving the way for us women.The Arena One Woman Story is such an
important work. It's so important forall of us to understand the inequalities.
You know, this is this isa lot. We've come a long way,
but we have a long way togo. Nineteen twenty, nineteen twenty,
we were giving and think think aboutthis. I go over to city

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Hall today, if I walk acrossthe city off from where I am right
now, forty six the pictures offorty six men who were mayor on the
wall over there, not a singlewoman, not one woman, not one
woman, an old woman and youknow, and the same thing to get
na. I was there recently inChattanooga, not a single woman. And

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so that's I wrote the book,and that's why we all need to speak
up and get involved and help women. If you don't want to run,
help somebody else. You know,that's right the arena, one woman's story.
And give us the best website,Judge Carroll www Carroll Chimney dot com
at C A R L HU,M N e Y. Thank you so

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much, Judge, and thank allof you. This has been another edition
of the Frankie Boyer Show. Thanksfor listening. Make it a great day
everybody, and as always, smile. You'll see the life is still worth
while if you somebody, somebod