Danny Quintana and Gail Papp

Danny Quintana- is the president and founder of the Global High Seas Marine Preserve, a non-profit education organization dedicated to educating people on ocean wildlife issues. He is the author of several books, most recently Space and Ocean Exploration as the Alternative to World War III and Copernicus Was Mistaken, Why the Earth is Still the Center of the Universe. He is a graduate of the University of Utah in political science, B.A. (1980) and Utah’s College of Law, J.D. (1983). He is a member of the Mars Society. In college he was a Rockefeller Minority and Hinckley Institute Intern. Mr. Quintana is committed to spending the next 20 years or however long he lives to creating a Global High Seas Marine Preserve. The goal is to protect all of the oceans’ wildlife. Prior to his creation of this ocean education non-profit, he traveled all over the world the Mobility Project, a non-profit humanitarian organization. He is the co-author of “Adventures in Humanitarian Work, Delivering Wheelchairs to the Developing World” with Lisa Murphy, the president of the Mobility Project. Mr. Quintana continues to practice law, play wheelchair tennis, and write books.


Gail Merrifield Papp, author of PUBLIC/PRIVATE: My Life with Joe Papp at the Public Theater (Applause; October 3, 2023)

Episode Transcript

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Don't you always want to be thebest you can be. The Frankie Boyer
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never know what's going to happen.So listen for yourself. Here is Frankie
Boyer and welcome. This is suchan important segment. This is Frankie Boyer.
Joining us today is Danny Quintana.He is the president and founder of

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the Global High Sea High Seas MarinePreserve, which is a non non profit
education organization dedicated to educating people onocean wildlife issues. He's the author of
several books, most recently Space andOcean Exploration as the Alternative to World War

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Three and Why the Earth Is Stillthe Center of the Universe. He's a
graduate of the University of Utah andPolitical Science and Utah's College of Law,
as a member of the Mars Societyand as Always and it's been too many
years, but you have spent decades, decades talking about the ocean, Danny,

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and it's such a pleasure and awelcome. Welcome to the program.
Thank you for having me on,Frankie. It's good to be back.
And Hie to all of you peopleout there. Always listen to Frankie because
you've got great advice for you.You're so sweet, Danny. We know

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that we know that the state ofthe ocean is in serious, serious condition.
But how bad is it? Well, right now, as we speak,
half of all of the wildlife andthe oceans has been slaughtered. Ninety
percent of the predator fish, that'sthe large fish, the huge bluefin tuna,

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the big, big predators have beenslaughtered. It's like going to the
serengetti and there's no lions or hyenasor leopards because they've all been killed.
The Asians are killing two hundred thousandsharks each day for sharks and soup.
And then you talk about the garbage. It's being dumped into the oceans over
ten million tons a year. Imean, they're a mess, and we've

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got to clean it up, andwe need to turn it around. And
we have an idea on how todo this. So my question to you
is when we see one of thea species going through trauma and there have
a hard time reproducing, you know, we protect them. Who's protecting these

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big fish in the ocean, isanyone? Well, that is the heart
of the problem. You hit itright on the nail in the High Seas,
which is the area of past twohundred miles, because within the first
two hundred miles, nations have what'scalled the exclusive Economic gym zone, and
out in the High Seas it's thewild wild West. There's literally no law

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enforcement. So it's basically what's calledthe tragedy of the commons. It's the
race to catch the last fish.The fish belong to everyone, then it
belongs to no one. So youget fishermen out there that are over fishing,
and you get the mess that wehave. So what we're proposing is
amand what's called the Law of theSeas tree and create a global High Seas

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Marine Preserved where we protect all ofthe wildlife forever. So one hundred percent
of the oceans would be protected.Now, Frankie, that's important because the
oceans cover seventy percent of the planet, so when we go through with this
idea, basically, we will solvethe majority of our environmental problems because fixing

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the problems on land doesn't matter.Of just getting people to change their diet.
You'll just eat healthy and you havea healthy planet. Not so easy
for people to do not so healthyand not so easy for people to do
it all. You know, Danny, this is such a hotbed because explain

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to us this is such a bigconversation in Sylvia or Earl from Noah.
I spoke with her a decade ago, a decade ago, and she is
wonderful. Oh my god, isn'tshe She's such a delightful human being.

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And she was saying back then howconcerned she was, and she said,
I don't think people realize that ifthere is not a healthy ocean, that
we will not survive. So thestate of the ocean is critical for humans

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to survive. And that message hasbeen lost. Annie. Well, it
doesn't get publicity. The mass media, the Big five don't pay attention to
something like that. Because when you'restanding on the beach, and most Americans
live within fifty miles of the ocean, you look out there on the ocean

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and everything looks pristine and fine,but you can't see what's going on under
the waves. Half of all ouroxygen comes from the ocean, and the
majority of life on Earth, themajority of species are in the ocean,
and we're discovering new species every daydown deep. So it's something that all
of us have a shared interest inprotecting, which is why I'm optimistic that

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we can do it. And wecan do it. It's a matter of
just changing international law, and wecan use our navy. That's why I
wrote my new book Space and NocanExploration, the Alternative to World War Three.
We can use the world's navies forenforcement, so that gives the Navy
a new basically contract, a newmission. We can give the armies of

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the world cleaning up all of thedamage that we've done with our landfills and
with our rivers being polluted and allthe rest, and with the aerospace contractors.
What I recommend in my new bookis have all of the nations space
programs combine into a giant space programto explore the Inner's holar system, because

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that's such a massive endeavor of Frankiethat we really can't do it alone.
I know there's efforts now for China, Russia, Japan, European Union and
ourselves and India to go to themoon, but to really explore the Solar
system, mind the asteroid belt,to build colonies on Mars and so on.

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It's going to take a combined humaneffort and it will demilitarize the planet.
But getting back down to Earth andthe practical matters that we need to
do here, and let's be practicalfor a minute. If we get other
nations to adopt our marine laws andwe have the best marine laws and the
best enforcement in the world, theneverybody wins because if you want good seafood,

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and I would encourage people to reallysupport American fishermen because we do it
right. Our fishermen do it right. Just stink seafood from your own country
here in the US. When youbuy seafood from Alaska, you're getting clean
seafood that's been inspected, that hasbeen very carefully regulated. I mean,

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the regulation that goes up there isamazing. One of my interns of Dash
Robinson, was just stuck there andhe brought me back this incredible salmon steak
the bilet that is just terrific.So you want to eat seafood, eat
seafood, but make sure it's onlyfrom your own country. There's no reason
to be importing seafood all the wayfrom Chile or New Zealand and all these

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other places. And and Danny,there's there's so much misinformation because some of
the fish that are being used arenot even they're not even at the age
to mature to even have babies,because they're being killed before they have babies.

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And one example is that very fattyfish. And we gave it,
we gave it a name. Whatare we calling it? It's really an
ugly tooth fish. And they renamedit Baths so that it could sell.
Yeah, so we gave it apretty name. Absolutely right. You know

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what's the real name of that fish? And it takes twenty it takes twenty
years for that fish to have babiessomething like that. It's outrageous. You're
thinking of orange rough edge. Yeah, that one of them. It takes
a long time. But and theychange the name so that it would not

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be so ugly for people, andthey marketed and because it's a fat fish,
it's so fatty you can freeze itforever. And it is still taste
good. And that's part of theproblem. That's part of the bigger picture.
If we want to save the wildlifeand the oceans, quit eating that.

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God and now, with microplastics andall the toxins that are in the
oceans, it's not necessarily the bestchoice. The diet in the developed world
has caused horrendous health problems. Imean, think about this, Frankie.
Seventy percent of Americans are overweight,uh, fifty percent or obese, and

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forty percent are now morbid the obAnd I was looking to the study the
other day. A friend of mineshowed me forty percent of the applicants for
the armed forces cannot pass the physicalIt's true, that's true. I've heard
this, Danny. We have totake a quick break. There's I can't
believe how quickly this segment went.Let's take a quick break. Recap.

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Will be back in a moment.Give us the best website and how people
can get your new book so importantto support and Amazon wonderful say it again
saving oceans dot org. Oceans dotorg is our website. My name Danny
Kintana, and on Amazon and you'llsee the book wonderful, a real visionary

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and champion. We'll be back injust a moment with Danny. I'm Frankie
Boyer. Stay tuned, we areback. He is truly Danny Quintana.
When did Saving Oceans dot org?When was this? Tell us how this

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became your passion in life. Well, I like to write, and i'd
like to do research, and I'vebeen studying about nuclear weapons since I was
eight years old, and I wastrying to think of a way that we
could demilitarize the American economy. SoI wrote the first book on this,
this which is Space and Ocean Exploration, The Alternative to the Military Industrial Complex.

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And as I was doing the research, I think all of you out
there in regual Land has at onetime or another had an epiphany where something
just grabs you and says, I'vegot to do something about this. So
it's four in the morning and I'mdoing the research and it's half the wildlife
and the oceans has gone. Igo what. And then I do more
research and ninety percent of the largepredator fish are gone. What? And

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then we're killing two hundred thousand sharkseach day, and it's like, oh
my gosh, We've got to dosomething about this, and I got this
etiphany that well, let's change thelaw. Let's create a global High season
Marine Preserve and protect all of theoceans, and let's give the aerospace contractors
exploration of space and the Navy contractorsexploration of the oceans. So that's how

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the Global High Season Marine Preserve wascreated. And that was about eight years
ago. And I got a reallynice letter from President Obama, Frankie,
but you know, he didn't followany of my advice. So I mean,
they did create one of the largestmarine protected areas. But yes,
by the way, so you also, I just want to mention to everybody

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that you also continue to practice lawwith his passion as well, and that
you play wheelchair tennis and and youstill are a prolific author. Well,
I like using the proceeds from mylaw practice and our books to deliver wheelchairs
to other countries and to fund ournonprofits. So we have our nonprofit to

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funds ten interns with University of Hawaii, and then we have a couple other
interns over there, and then wehave some with University of Utah, with
Texas A and M. And ifany of you out there are are interested
in an internship. You know,we ask your college professors to give you
college credit. So just reach outto me and you can reach me through
Savy Notions dot org. The bookcan be purchased on Amazon. And my

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last name is Qui n t aNa. So if you look up Danny
Quintana and then Space and Notion Explorationthe Alternative to World War Three, because
we have to stop this drift towardsanother war. It's senseless. It's got
to stop. You know, aPutin made a giant mistake, and so
did the United States. There isno alternative to peace. The problems facing

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the planet are so intertwined that whetherwe like each other or not, and
we don't have to like each other, but we must work together. People
out there in radio land, wemust work together. And working together,
human problems always have a human solution. They just do. Yes, yes,
we have to. We just haveto give us some examples of what

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we as consumers can do. Whodo you want us to support? Who
do you want us not to support? Well, what I would recommend to
all of you out there is supportyour local fishermen here from the United States.
They need to be paid better.Their jobs are extremely dangerous, and
they're competing with foreign companies that arenot playing by the same set of rules.

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These foreign companies get tax subsidized andthey dump their seafood on our market.
And the other thing is is whenyou buy seafood from another country,
there's no guarantee whatsoever that what you'rebuying is actually what's on the label.
I would not rest command buying shrimpfrom Southeast Asia. Only four percent of

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the seafood that's imported into the UnitedStates is inspected. So and you know,
look at your food choice of tryto go with a more vegetarian diet,
stay away from beef, chicken,and park because industrial farming is a
disaster for the planet. And justeat less, eat ride and exercise and
that's the best thing you can dofor the environment. And that's the best

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thing you can do for the oceans. And do simple things like buy a
tumbler. Do not buy plastic watercontainers at all, you know, anyway
from single use plastic items. Imean, I think, honest to God,
Frankie, I think that plastic isthe existential threat to humanity into the
planet. I mean, climate changeis a problem. And obviously, what's

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the big problem. What's happening isthe birds are eating the plastic and the
fish are the fish are eating them. I mean, the plastic is everywhere.
I stopped eating fish a long timeago because I'm concerned about the plastic
and I just don't I don't wantto eat it. But for man,

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the mercurys and the toxins and allof it, it's just a bloody mess.
It's just a bloody mess, Danny. And no one is talking,
not many are talking about it.And Sylvia Earl was absolutely spot on when
she said if we do not ifwe do not take control of the ocean,

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oceans and understand that if we donot keep them clean, there will
not be an Earth. There willnot be an earth, there will not
be a planet Earth, there willnot be mankind. And that that's a
radical, huge hama that she made, and it's worse today than when she
made it. Well, she's right. But the thing is is I'm optimistic.

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Maybe it's because I have this beautifulgranddaughter. It's a year old.
But we can turn around. Wecan turn it around by changing the diet.
And you know, don't count onyour congressman, or your senator or
your politicians to help. You wantto see who's going to help. Look
in the mirror. That's who's goingto help. And you have control over
this. Ladies and gentlemen. Youhave control because you control the purse stream.

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If you don't buy their garbage,they can't sell it. Every time
you go into a grocery store orretail outlet, remember within six months of
your purchase, it's probably going toend up in a landfill. We don't
throw anything away because we're all onthe same planet. So what we have
to do is change the economic model, and that starts with you, ladies

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and gentlemen. So please buy ourbook, support our internship program, support
our nonprofit and just eat right,exercise, don't use single use plast sticks,
and be kind to each other.We don't have to like each other.
But I don't believe, Frank,even for one minute, that we
have enemies. I don't think Russiaor China or Iran are our enemies.

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There are people over there on theother side of the planet that are going
about their daily lives like we are, and I think we all need to
just work together clean up the messyou made. We need to look at
every crisis as an opportunity. It'san opportunity for change and cleaning up the
planet can create millions of jobs becauseit's labor intensive. Absolutely, Danny.

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Absolutely, Danny. Where are themost concerns in the world that you have
for for fish and wildlife? Rightnow? Oh? You know, Oh
my gosh, I'm going to havebast Asia. Yeah. I was just
gonna say it has to be SoutheastAsia. Danny. We are you and

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I talking. We just said itoff as well as on. Eric.
It goes so quickly, and I'malways so grateful for the work that you
do and for the vision that youhold for all of us. And the
website and the book and all ofthat. Go ahead and give it.
The website to support our nonprofit isSaving Oceans dot org. And the book

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is Space and Ocean Exploration The Alternativeto World War Three. We have to
stop this drift to a world warWe just do. And that starts with
you, ladies and gentlemen. Itstarts with eating right, exercising, loving
your family and your neighbors, andloving yourself. So I wish all of
you out there in radio land toreally really have good health, good manners,

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and be kind each other and alsothank Frankie for the tremendous work.
She is. Oh, thank youso much, Danny. We gotta run.
We'll be back in just a moment. Frankie Boyer, stay tuned and

(20:11):
welcome back. It is Frankie Boyer, and it is a real pleasure to
welcome to the program someone who's beeninvolved in theater for her practically her whole
life. Gail Pap is with ustoday, and Gail, you have had

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the most extraordinary career. You havea new memoir, and the new memoir
is all about New York City's publictheater and your husband, Joe Joe Pap
and the book is very it's thisnew memoir and it's very revealing about what

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you went through. Welcome to theprogram. Thank you very much. It's
lovely to be here. But yougrew up in a home with theater everywhere,
correct, it's a sort of Icome from a family that has several

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generations of actors in it, mostlyin the distant past. Of the three
of them that I didn't know asI was growing up. My parents were
not in the theater. They werewriters. But when I became working age,
I felt I wanted to keep myconnection to the theater in some way,

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but I wasn't an actor myself,so I got into the protection area
of it, and finally ended upwith the new Public Theater, which also
does free Shakespeare in New York Cityin Central Park. It was a conscious
sort of course, correction and desireon my part, and yes, yes,

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related, I would say to thememory of the theater in my family.
The new book. By the way, the new memoir is called Public
Private, My life with Joe Pappat the Public Theater and the Public Theater.
When did it? When did itopen? Gail? Well? The

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Public Theater was opened in nineteen sixtyseven in a building that eventually housed six
stages, and our first production wasthe original production of Hair, the musical.
Oh my Gosh, and it wouldthat's right, it started exactly wild

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time, Oh my gosh. Itwas in nineteen seventy seven, nineteen sixty
seven. That's amazing, absolutely amazing, Gail. You were the developer of
new plays and musicals and you didfree Shakespeare in Central Park to new plays.

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I mean it goes on and onand on. Well, the horrorganization
was quite amazing. We opened withcare there was this staff. It was
very, very small. We hadall been in a different place doing free
shakespereence after park and nothing new,so we had no background and doing new

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plays, but along a new musicalwhich was a groundbreaking rock and roll for
a day, So we sort oflearned as we went along. And Joe,
who had started as enterprise, hadbegun in the nineteen fifties with his
idea of doing free Shakespeare making itavailable to the people of New York City,

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so he started in the mid fifties. I came on board in the
mid sixties, which was the startof the Public Theater, which had been
preceded by the Free Shakespeare Organization.So we were a very small staff at
that time. There were only abouttwelve people producing these works, and it

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was for me it was a marvelousworking experience that was also a learning experience
in terms of Shakespeare and then workingwith writers when we developed the public theater.
Gail, how how did you meetJoe And was it love at first
sight? No, I can't callit that. He was a fascinating person.

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I had just recently been inspired actuallysome another job, and I was
desperately seeking work, and I thought, well, I wanted to continue in
the theater. So I'll write toall the producing organizations in New York City
and see if anybody has a job. This is really strange and desperate kind

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of thing for person to do.I really just wanted to be in a
theater, and I didn't really knowthat the obstacles that would be in my
way. But anyway, I setout eighty eight letters, which right type
individually a little portable because this islong before anything of that sort. So

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it was a labor and I sentoff these envelopes. And I was living
in a one room apartment above adrug store in Gratish Village at that time,
and all of a sudden, thefabulous what a neighborhood. Oh my
gosh, what a neighborhood. Yeah, So the phone rang on this small
apartment kitchen at wall. I answeredit and there was a guy at the

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other end of city. He wascalling from the New York Shakespeare Festival.
They might have an opening for summertamps work. It's Tipperary, So I
thought I need a job. SoI went up to the office, which
was then a suite of rooms ina shabby hotel uptown. There was no

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public theater of any kind at thatpoint, and I was interviewed and by
a personnel manager, and so Istarted working in this midtown office in the
hotel. And I've been told thatthe person who had begun this Shakespeare Enterprise

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and Central Park was Joe pap Andbut I hadn't met him yet because he
was directing a play and he wasin rehearsal elsewhere. So it was in
April nineteen sixty five, and oneday I came into the office. Yeah,
and he walked past my desk.He didn't know who the heck I

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was or what I was doing here. There was a suppers champ, you
know, but he said good morning. I said good morning. Then one
day, when he was passing bymy desk, he stopped all of a
sudden. Story would what I wouldcall a nano second, and he said,
I'd wore my hair down. Iusually put it up on top of

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my head, but I wore myhair down that that particular day. And
said, oh, he said,the Juliet look. You should always wear
it that way. Then he strodeinto his office. So that was the
first personal exchange that I had withhim. So I just wanted to give
a I just want to give alittle backstory about this extraordinary, amazing man,

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because yeah, he really as aproducer and director and the founder the
New York Shakespearean Shakespearean Festival, andbut he won more than two hundred stage,
film and television awards. He wascalled the most important force in the
English speaking theater in the twentieth century. He was also an outspoken champion of

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human rights in the First Amendment.He really and truly produced and over six
hundred plays and musicals by nineteen ninetyone. That's amazing, absolutely amazing.

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And your workale in public theater includeThe Normal Heart, Larry Kramer's Tony Award
winning play about the AIDS crisis,for which he won the Humanity Human Rights
Campaign Arts and Communications Award. Andalso you have been involved with the Mystery

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of Edwin Drew. Is that correct? Yes? Right? Yeah? And
you guys got married in what year, nineteen seventy six, nineteen thirty six,
Yeah, almost ten years after I'dgot working at the organization, and

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with an interesting aspect of this theaterwas unlike most other theaters in New York
City at least it was founded bysomebody from a humble background, without any
money or any major back backers ordonors. Bill came from a an impoverished

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background. Actually he born in Brooklyn. His parents were immigrants from Poland and
Lithuania. Uh. He had noadvantages growing up except his own uh interests
in his own uh god given entity, which was fascinating. I am so

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thrilled that you have been with ustoday. We're out of time, but
okay, it's a pleasure to thankyou. Thank you so much. No,
it's our pleasure. It's absolutely ourpleasure. Gail Public Private My life
with Joe Pop at the Public Theater. It's available wherever books are sold.
And is there a website you wantto promote as well? Or is that

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just to find the book? Sure? Sure, you can go to my
name Gail pap at C A I, L P A PPS and Peter uh
dot com. It takes you tomy website and there's a lot of stuff
there that might be of interest.Thank you so much, Gail, so

(30:53):
appreciate it. Thank you. Takea quick breaking. Okay, right back,
it's Frankie Boy, stay tuned,byebye, and welcome back. Joining

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us now is multi award winning authorEddie Chugulate and he is Creek and Cherokee.
He is a Creek and Cherokee Indian. You grew up in Oklahoma,
you now live in in Minneapolis,and your new memoir is out. It's
called This Indian Kid, a NativeAmerican memoir getting rave reviews. By the

(31:41):
way rave rave reviews. This bookis absolutely an honest book about how you
grew up shuffled between different households.It was an impoverished lifestyle. But despite

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the challenges that you faced, yousay that there was so much love and
bountiful lessons from your your Creek andCherokee heritage. Eddie. Yeah, tell
me a little bit about this lifethat you've had and why you wanted to

(32:30):
write this this new memoir. Yeah. I wrote a collection of stories for
adults called Shy and Madonna, Andin writing those, I encovered, you
know, some experiences from childhood thatdidn't really fit into the adult story that

(32:55):
it brought back a lot of memories. So I start keeping a notebook have
these stories that didn't make it concerningchildhood. And I showed one of them
to my agent and he really likedit and said, do you know,
do I have any more for youknow, like a book plan that you
think there's a book there and that'show all that started. Ah, nice,

(33:17):
very nice. You grew up inOklahoma in the seventies. Your parents
were divorced. You say it wasa racially mixed environment. Yes, in
Miscogee, I my hometown. Yep, a lot more racially diverse than a

(33:42):
lot of town. You went tothirteen different thirteen different schools at a thirteen
Yeah, two in the first grade. Oh my gosh, Oh my god.
I had forgotten that. I Ithought I went to that my klea

(34:07):
elementary, but I ran away fromschool. I thought that was my only
school, and my mom sent mea box of pictures and report cards,
and I found the other report cardsfrom another first dragon. So even in
first aright, I didn't finish thewhole school. Wow, you became very
good friends. Your best friend waswas black and that impacted your friendship.

(34:37):
Yeah, Lonnie, she uh.He brought down the road from us,
and since we were so close,we wrote the same bus to school,
men to school gather and played thesame baseball team. But we've kept in
contact over the years, even upuntil this day. He was the one

(34:57):
my uncle. I have a throatthere beginning called the word. Yeah,
yeah, ye, people I neverreally saw again after that he passed away.
That that's my time. He wasalready passed away, so sad,

(35:21):
not someone that I saw on everyday. Basis, what do you want
readers to take away and listeners fromyour your memoir? I guess for kids
it's uh, well, first ofall, to stay in school because you
never know who what route you'll take, you know who you're gonna meet or

(35:45):
who I have an influence on yourlife. And also too, they get
because your parents are grandparents are racist, doesn't mean that you have to be
a rap that matter among people whowill be influential in your life. They
can be white, Black, Ingian, Native Asian, whatever, So race

(36:08):
doesn't matter when someone's trying to helpyou out, and you you want this
story to be heard because you saythat your story can be any one story
today, right, And it's alsothe show that Native Americans are more varied

(36:30):
than just people on reservations that goto the casino and play bingo. Mhm,
yes, you know and small countAmerica. I guess. Yeah.
You've won so many awards, somany writing awards, and you began as

(36:52):
a journalist at age sixteen, whilestill in high school. Right, that
came because of I decided to goout for baseball. And when I made
the team, my coach was asports writer, former sportswriter who taught journalism,

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so he had me in his classand he saw that I had a
knack for it, and he turnedme over to the local daily paper and
that's how I started. That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. And You've won a
Penno Henry Prize and was selected byso many. You won a Wallace Stegner

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Creative Writing Fellowship at Stanford, You'veearned a master's degree at the University of
Valua Writing Writer's Workshop, and youstill absolutely love, love, love writing.
But you know you've done everything.You've picked pecans, you've moved furniture,
you've worked as a day laborer,you received food stamps, you sold

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your your plasma. You've done itall, Eddie, and I think you
give us a lot of hope.And I thank you so much for being
with us. This Indian Kid ishis new book. It's a Native American
memoir. And Eddie, we seeEddie chucolate. Thank you so much for
being with us, and thank allof you. This has been another edition

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of the Frankie Boyer Show. Thanksfor listening. Make it a great day
everybody, and as always, smileto smile through you off dude and stole
smile And maybe tomorrow you'll see thesun come rocking through or you I've got

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face with gladness, find between subsetsWoT maybe ever sow here and it just
smiled. He food are fears andstart smile, and maybe tomorrow you'll see
the light as still worth while ifyou tomorrow and some more