Kathryn Mayer and Greg Glasgow, Disneyland on the Mountain

Kathryn Mayer and Greg Glasgow, Disneyland on the Mountain
disneylandonthemountain.com

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Boyer and welcome. It's Frankie Boyer. Glad you're with us today and joining
us someone that I think you're goingto all enjoy this conversation today, Michael

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Robbins is with us and it issuch a fascinating topic in Michael, you're
a leading member of the board ofdirectors of Glystone Corporation. You're on the
board of directors of Urban Edge Capitalhedge fund, and you develop investment models

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that allow many management firms to investin large numbers of stock stocks to produce
positive returns. It's also fascinating andI'm so thrilled you with us today as
the chief investment officer of six largeinvestment firms. Michael, tell us this

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model and tell us about your newbook. Hi, thank you for having
me. Yeah, I've been investingwith quantitative methods for a long long time
now, and they're becoming very popularin the news, which is very good,
and they're becoming more powerful, easyto use, and also easy to
misuse. So I thought it wasa good idea to write a book to

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try to help people understand how todo that and to do it correctly.
Absolutely, because many of us haveno clue what you're talking about. So
please take us back a little bitand explain. Because you're using big data
combined with machine learning and AI,and people are like freaked out about all

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of it. So take a stepby step. Please see how people have
been using numbers to invest for areally long time, even before computers were
popular, and then almost everyone wasusing a spreadsheet in the early nineties.
Then they became very involved in usingdifferent type statistics. But statistics are pretty

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hard to manage and they require alot of training to use. Now there
are these really powerful machines that cancreate the statistics sold by themselves, these
machine learning algorithms, these artificial intelligenceprograms. Yeah, and they're really good
at coming up with answers, butthe answers aren't always right. Sure,

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you've heard some of the stories aboutchech CBT and how you know some of
it makes no sense, And that'sfine when you're writing a letter, but
if you're investing real money, youhave to be pretty careful about how you
use these things and guide them togive you the right answers. I'm not
just one that sounds really good,Michael. As your role as a professor,

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what do you at Columbia? Whatare you sharing with your students about
AI? I just want to askthat question because so many of us are
fascinated by it. I interviewed awhile ago a couple of young men that
are using AI technology to help witha medical device that could possibly be a

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game changer, and it's so it'sso exciting. But tell tell me what
you're sharing with your students and whatare their concerns you any So, Yeah,
their concerns and interests I think areopposite of your viewers. They're really
interested and knowledgeable about machine learning techniquesand they're just need a lot of help

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applying them properly to get the rightanswers. We do have some students doing
cancer research with the National Institutes ofHelp and they use artistical intelligence extensively,
but they're really experts at it.Your listeners, I think, maybe come
from the other end of the spectrumwhere they might be really interested in using

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it. They can get their handson some of the technology through pypon or
some other widely accessible technology, andthen they run the risk of misusing it
and coming up with, you know, these crazy answers. There's a lot
of blog posts and people talking abouthow to use it, and a lot

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of these people are either ill informedor they just don't have enough time to
give sorrow answer. There's a lotof very simple examples that you can extrapolate
and use for yourself. So Ithink for people who are interested in it
but are not schooled in it,I think caution is really the word of

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the day. So your career isso fascinating. You started out in in
physics and later worked in electronic warfare. Then you transitioned into working as a

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primary prime loan and derivative portfolio managerin Washington's Mutual Treasury department. You've had
the most fascinating background. Michael Robbins, I've been lucky that I've been able
to make a lot of the opportunitiesthat I found. Like you mentioned,
I was originally a physicist, andI joined Wall Street when computers are becoming

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really important on the trading desk.They've always always been important in the back
office, but they didn't really knowwho to hire, and so they hired
physicists, and so I got lucky. And I also got lucky in that
the job that I had allowed meto trade all different kinds of things.
So when I graduated from that partof my career, I became a chief

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investment officer because I knew a lotabout a lot of different investments. And
I continue to apply technology to investing, which a lot of people do,
but I might have been in adifferent circumstance than some others, and that's
what I'm continuing to do with theArtistical intelligence is just another technology and evolution

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in what we did before. ButI think people are pretty clear on how
it's dramatically changing some things a littlemore and faster than we'd like, but
certainly with a tremendous amount of power, and it can't be overlooked and even
the average person has access to alot of these tools and is able to

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do tremendous things. But I thinka lot of people are looking to replace
situations that are maybe difficult and cumbersomewhen technology generally just makes things more complex
and more powerful. You know,we saw it with computers. Computers didn't

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do away with quite as many jobsas they created. Exactly, exactly,
Yeah, yes, Yes, alot of people were afraid of cars driving
by themselves, and now we're afraidof that. My point though is that

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we've had cruise control for forever andand and there's now a television commercial where
the father is showing the young youngchild he's going around to Ben and he's
not touching the car, and thecar is driving itself. And my point
though is that it's become part ofour marketing culture that we're starting to see

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this technology taking over. Yeah,and it's very true that things like self
driving cars may become better drivers thanthe average person, especially when you include
all their distractions. And absolutely,absolutely I agree with you. I absolutely
agree with you. How did youstart to use real life people and tell

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us a little bit about It's It'salmost as though you're like a clearinghouse for
ideas and then finding investors. Isthat a little bit of what you're doing
well. I do advise companies onhow to invest, especially when they kind
of built up the company to wherethey're pretty sizeable and now they need to

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do things quite differently than they didbefore. It's a common problem with startup
companies that become real companies and thentheir management is really good at starting things
up and new ideas, but notquite as good at integrating with the rest
of the business culture and doing thingsin you know, a professional, institutional
way. But it also really helpsthat I have all these students feeding the

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ideas all the time, and yeah, manage their projects. Yeah. I
get to see what hundreds of youknow, the mistakes hundreds of people make,
and I don't have to make themmyselves myself. And that helps me
advise people as well, because Ididn't just learn from my career path,
but I'm learning from thousands of students. Do you have a research project that

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you can share with us right nowfrom from your students? Yeah. Yeah.
We're using AI on quite a fewdifferent investing technologies, from predicting price
movements in a short term basis totrying to find new ways to invest in
to manage the investments. The traditionalways using statistics are extended in machine learning

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so that they become a little morepowerful. But now that there's these really
powerful large language models like CHATSYPT,we're trying to harness them. They're Okay,
we've got to take a quick break, Michael Robbins. We have to
take a quick break. We willbe back in just a moment. Give
us the best websites. Oh,my book's website is Quantitative Asset Management dot

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com, spelled just like it sounds, and we'll be right back. Information.
Yeah, it's Frankie Boyer's stay too, and welcome back. It is

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Frankie boy You're fascinating conversation today withMichael Robbins. Michael Robbins is really on
the cutting edge, leading so manyin his teams. And he's also,
by the way, a professor atColumbia and we are so thrilled you're back

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with us. Up. You're justhearing sharing some of the students and some
of the things that you're doing withyour students, and go back and share
a little bit. And you're also, by the way, chief investment officer
for Larson Financial what's more fun foryou being the professor? Well, I

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do these chief investment offer jobs forshort periods of time, usually to try
to build up companies. Actually recentlyleft Larson and there are a lot of
fun bringing companies up to speed.But working with the students is just continually
fascinating. They're they're always bringing newand interesting ideas and giving me new things

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to work on. So I woulddefinitely say they're both great parts of my
life that work together. Well,oh, nice, nice, you were
sharing a couple of the stories,and let's go back to how long do

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you think it will be before weare comfortable with AI in this country?
Yeah, that's a tough one,and I think AI is already pretty much
everywhere right next. Netflix and Amazonand all these companies use it, but

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they use it kind of behind thescenes, and people are not really how
are they using Yeah, tell us, tell us how Netflix has used it.
Well, whenever you go to theirwebsite and they suggest a movie,
they're using statistics about what you likeand what people like you, Yeah,

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in order to suggest movies. Ithink it's a famous urban myth that these
pyites like Amazon know what product you'retalking about. With your friends, because
they're so accurate in finding the thingsthat you're interested in and presenting you with
ads that they're just really effective atusing bits of data to come up with

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a clear picture, and that's onlygoing to get much more pervasive. I
think it's more of a privacy issuethan anything else right now, that people
might get a little weirded out byhaving so much intelligence software involved in their
lives so much of the time.Some people like it, but a lot

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of people do have problems with itand prefer that things were less powerful and
less in sight. Yeah. Yeah, I just was watching an ad for
Google versus Duck Duck dot com andthey were talking about that. You know
about the privacy piece. Yeah,there are people who use websites like Duck

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Duck Go and signaled because they believeit affords them more privacy and there's less
information shared. It's it's usually thekind of privacy that is only available when
it's not useful. If you're acriminal and you want to hide your information.

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Usually these sites. I don't knowabout these sites in particular, but
companies in general give up your informationto the authorities, So it's not really
clear to me exactly what the privacyis good for if it's fragile like that,
but it will be harder and harderto find. And these sites generally

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are not as useful as the mainstreamsites just because they don't have as many
people using them, and so thecompanies don't have as as as many resources
to build them out and make themcompetitive. And I think people who want
to live the unibomber life and sitin the woods and not use technology are
going to have to make a lotof concessions that people who are less interested

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in the privacy will will have to. So are we going to see because
the way in which our educational systemis right now, our kids they're not
being taught anything. They're picking thingsup because they're so smart and they've been

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you know, they've been exposed tocomputers for their whole life since they we're
babies. So are we only toseek Yeah, So when will the school
systems catch up? Michael? Imean, come on, they're not.
I don't know about the pre collegepeople, how how well that's going to

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work. I bet there's going tobe a lot of things that they can
do without programming. But it remindsme of when I started the business.
And I pretty much taught programming tomyself when I was a kid, and
I was a little worried that thisthe next generation who grew up with computers

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when they were kids, would beso much their programmers, and they're really
not. They're they're no better atit than their previous generation was. People
are just people, and you know, some of them like complexity and some
don't. And I don't really thinkthat the fact that they're growing up with
the stuff is really going to changewhether they're going to become experts at it.

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They will be using it throughout theirlife and they'll have a level of
competency that maybe some older people willnever get. But it would be just
that, just competency in using thetools, not expertise. You see it
now with people who try to callthemselves prompt engineers, who are trying to
come experts using Shaypt, Well,they're just basically using an appliance, right,

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They're not learning how to build newmodels using mathematics. They're just trying
to use technology that already exists.And so they might become more comfortable with
that. I don't know for surehow that's going to work. You're gonna
have to talk to a sociologist aboutwhether they'll be comfortable with machines doing work
that people traditionally thought something that wewould do. Are you seeing with your

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students at Columbia and they creative placein which they see AI and that it
will open up as as you werejust sharing the world of cancer, the
world of the future is is forme from where I'm sitting as a layperson,

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sounds extremely exciting. Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely going to be tremendous
innovations in medicine and other fields.There is going to be kind of a
middle ground which is going to getleft behind, just the same way a
lot of artisans were no longer ableto do their jobs. A generation later,

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there'll be some people who are fileclerks and do some administrative tasks the
computers will be able to do.But the benefit will be that we'll be
able to cure diseases, will beable to fix things, and we'll be
able to make things that are muchmore complicated than they were in the past,

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and that will open up new problemsand new jobs and new tools to
manage these amazingly complex things. Yeah, it's pretty impressive how complex like a
modern airline is. And I thinkthat's the line. It's so fast.
We could talk to you, wecould talk to you forever. This has

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been so terrific. Michael Robbins,thank you so much for being with us,
and give us, please the bestwebsite, so yeah, thank you.
Please go to Quantitative Asset Management dotcom where you can see my book
and podcasts and all sorts of otherinformation, and also about my course at

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Columbia. If you're matriculated, we'dlike to have you as a student.
Wonderful. Thank you so much,and we'll take a quick break and be
right back. Frankie Bowyer and welcomeback at his Frankie Lawyer. And you

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know, growing up with Walt Disneyand the amazing, amazing impact that he
has had on all of our lives. Brilliant visionary, brilliant, brilliant visionary
what we may not know. AndI didn't know this until I found out
about Disneyland on the Mountain and joiningus today Katherine Mayer and Greg Glasgow,

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who are the authors of this newbook. And I had no idea that
Walt Disney wanted to take a skiresort area in southern California and create.
Was it going to be something likeDisneyland on the Mountain so Gasin No,

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I mean we call it Disneyland onthe Mountain because there was certainly a lot
of fear that that was going tohappen as far as those who opposed it.
But it was, you know,it was it was going to be
first and foremost the ski resorts,this outdoor recreation type destination that really kind
of showed off nature, wildlife,that kind of thing. But it was
really going to rely more on kindof outdoor activities and kind of to show

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off the pristine area. But itwas going to have some kind of fun
type attractions and of course lots ofDisney type magic. So, Greg,
you're a longtime writer and journalists formany publications including the Denver Host and Catherine
you're a writer and journalist as well, and all of your publications you've been

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been doing this and you guys areboth married. So how did this project
come about? Tell us the backstoryabout we're both you know, sort of
Disney people. Katherine grew up goingto the parks and that kind of thing,
and she kind of put me intoit as we you know, our
relationship developed and We actually went tothe Walt Disney Family Museum back in twenty

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eighteen where they had a little mentionof this ski resort on a giant timeline
of Walt's life, and it interestedus right away because his partner on the
project, as mentioned on the timeline, was a guy named Willie Schaeffler,
who was actually the ski coach atthe University of Denver for many years here
where we live in Colorado. Katherineactually graduated from the University of Denver and

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we met working there, so thatname really stood out to us, and
we started just looking into it andfound it was this really big story that
involved a environmental battle that went tothe Supreme Court. It was like this
eighteen year sort of saga that wenton, and we thought it would make
a great book. Oh yeah,it's it is a great book. So

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the environmental were and I'm so shockedbecause did Walt realize that it would be
a problem for the environment or hewas really sick, wasn't he? And
much older in the in the timeof this whole thing he was, And
a lot of the opposition began.There was a little bit of it,

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certainly at the very beginning, butWalt actually had passed away pretty unexpectedly in
nineteen sixty six, in late nineteensixty six, and this was, you
know, very soon after they announcedthis project. So finally there were some
you know, there was some oppositionto it, but it certainly intensified after

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Walt Disney passed away. So Ithink that certainly would have surprised him because
he actually and we talked about thisin the book and we're excited for people
who read it to find out moreabout this, but he considered himself a
big conservationist and an environmentalist, that'sright. Yea quite a bit of work.
Yeah, he did quit work onthat side. So that's actually a

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really surprising part of the story washe created quite a bit of momentum on
that he created these very popular wildlifedocumentaries starting in the late nineteen forties that
won a ton of awards and basicallykind of spurred a lot of young people
to then care about the environment.So then later on, the same people

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that grew up on these films andand kind of credited well Disney for a
lot of their beliefs then later opposedone of his big creations, right right,
It's so it's so interesting. Ijust have to ask you, guys,
because you obviously did a lot ofresearch on this man, this extraordinary

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human being. I think he wassuch a vision visionary, he really was.
How do you think, how doyou think, Catherine, he would
feel about what's happening today with allof his merchandising and the way in which
it is spread and the outrageous pricingand all of that. How do you

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think he would feel about that today? What a great question. It's I
don't know. I mean, Ikind of go back and forth, because
you know, it's it's certainly sodifferent than what he originally created. At
the same time, one of thethings that I that stands out to me
and to us is that, youknow, a lot of what the company

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did post his death with kind ofstay in tune with Walt, and they
really wanted to do things what Waltwanted. And you know, you walk
into Walt Disney World, there's astatue of him there, and we celebrate
him a lot. But it'll beit would be really interesting to find out
kind of you know, what hewhat he certainly thought of how things have

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gone because there's been so many differentJacks that have been created since he passed
away, and things obviously have gottenvery very expensive and unfortunately sometimes kind of
price about the average family, whichis which is really yeah, just switch
back. I'd love to talk withyou guys about this is really important.

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Is the the battle to save theSequoia Groves in the High Sierra from from
Disney Resources and whatever happened. Tellus a little bit more about the case
and where it finally ended up.Yeah, So the case, you know,
once this was announced in nineteen sixtyfive, as we think the book,

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this environmental resistance began sort of slowly, and it started very grassroots,
with you know, different protests,and there was some hike in protests.
There was a movie created, flyersand things like that. Nothing really stopped
it too much. And then whenDisney submitted their final plans in nineteen sixty
nine, the Sierra Club, whichof course is one of the biggest environmental

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groups in the country that still istoday, decided to go to the court
with to see if there was alegal remedy, which was sort of a
new idea really at the time hadn'tbeen done too much prior to that,
so they filed a lawsuit against theDisney Resort. They it's important to note
that they never actually named Disney intheir suits. They filed it against the
government agencies that were sort of behind, you know, the leasing of the

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land and that sort of thing,and eventually, you know, they won
on the first round. Eventually onappeal made all the way to the Supreme
Court, and then the Supreme Courtmade a ruling actually in favor of the
Disney Resort. But they ruled insuch a way that they sort of created
this blueprint for groups to go forwardwith environmental cases and kind of show how
they would personally be affected by these. And there was a couple of famous

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descents in this case that sort ofbegan this idea that the environment, you
know, almost could be its ownplaintiff, could stand up for itself and
core So really was a landmark casein a lot of ways. Yeah.
Yeah, Disney Lander on the Mountain. Tell me about the cover, Katherine,
who the who who's on the cover? Sure it's Walt Disney is on

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the cover. And this is ata scene basically this is in Mineral Kane,
California, where the area where theyplanned to build this resort, and
this old in this picture I'm sorry. How old is he in the picture?
Sixty five? Sixty five and hedied actually, believe it or not,
just a few months after this photowas taken. So this was in

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nineteen sixty six. This was thiswas his final press conference, believe it
or not. It was really oneof his final public events. And this
was at Mineral Kane, California.They were basically announcing kind of an update
to their plans, including the developmentof this all weather highway that would have

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to be did governor California Governor PatBrown is also in the cover, as
well as a couple other Disney employeesand one of Walt Disney's part project who
Greg had mentioned, Willi Schaffler.And yeah, this was a really important
important day of the story and reallyin Walt Disney's life. Because this was
people were kind of noticing, youknow, he doesn't see he doesn't seem

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well. Actually, so, yeah, he doesn't look well on the cover.
He just doesn't look well. Thishas been so fascinating, guys,
Thank you so much because it's astory that for many of us we didn't
we never knew, and I lovethat you're writing about it. It's called
Disney Land on the Mountain and oneof the things before I let you go,

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whatever happened to the area that hewas looking at. The area really
still is the same today as itwas back in nineteen sixty five. Their
plans really never got off the ground. This environmental fight just sort of kept
laying things and putting things in lembo, and eventually the area was actually eventually

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put into Sequoia National Park in nineteenseventy eight by Jimmy Carter, which is
kind of a spoiler alert of howthe book ends. But yeah, pretty
much today, I mean there's stilla little cabin community there, but really
it's remained, you know, thanksto the Fair Club, remained really very
Christine natural beautiful area. Give usthe best website excellence. So we do

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have a website Disneylands on the Mountaindot com. So it's there where you
can find you know, you couldbuy the book, find different places to
buy the book, and please contactus as well. We'd love to hear
from people who have read it andyou know, tell us what side you're
on and what you thought of it. Wonderful. Thank you so much.
We'll take a quick break and beright back. I'm Frankie Boyer, Stay

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tune, hi, everybody, FrankieBoyer, and welcome back. I have

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been looking forward to this interview.Joining me today is Tracy Zabar. And
for those of you that are savvyenough to live in New York City,
you know that name because the mosticonic, I mean, is there another.
I wouldn't even know what to callit. It's beyond a Delhi,

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it's beyond a gourmet food store.It is. It's an institution. It's
zay Bars. And Tracy Zabar iswith us today. Tracy, you're a
baker, hey, jewelry designer,author of six books, including One Sweet
Cookie and Chocolate Chip Sweet. Yourcollections have been sold at Barney's and Bergdoff's

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and Browns of London and Kate Spadeand oh my God, it goes on
and on and on. You werealso the jewelry stylish stylist for Sex in
the City. You're a food influencer, I mean, it goes on and
on and on, and tell usabout the cakes from missus Zabar's bake shop
that are featured at zay Bars inNew York. First, thank you so

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much for inviting me so the waythat this book started was I knew I
was going to write a clipbook thatwas the third in the series of these
clipbooks, and I wanted to writea book about cake. And my point
of view is I have four brothersand four sons and a husband and a
grandson, and everybody comes to ourhouse because the food is really good and

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I'm always cooking and baking for twentyWait wait, can one can only imagine,
only imagine your house at the holidayswith z bars in the family,
I can only imagine. Yes,yes, yes, it's so I mean,
it's so much fun because my boysare very lively and they're there.

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They all have regular jobs, butthey're firefighters and medics on the weekend,
and one of them is with theFDNY, So there's just like lively and
loud and it's really really fun.And we have a giant dining room and
a giant kitchen and they only everwant to be in the kitchen, and
so if I ever baked it was. The short story is I was a

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jeweler from when I was four yearsold. I helped my father, he
was a jeweler and an auctioneer,and when I was forty nine, I
was like, enough already, Idon't want to do it anymore. So
now I only do it once aweek. And I went to culinary school
not to stand on my feet fortwelve hours a day, but because I
wanted to write book books because Ilove to bake. So when we're taking
my favorite brainstorm, this this book, you started talking about little cakes,

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and I was like, why wouldanybody make a little cake? You go
to the store, you stand inthe kitchen, you bake. It's the
same as making a big cake,but like, why would you do it?
And then all of a sudden,even though my kids are here a
lot, we had an empty nest. My kids, we're grown up,
and we have you know, saladand a chicken breasts we split for dinner,
and we didn't want a great,big cake in the house that we

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would eat for three days and itwould be gone. And then I started
noticing a trend. So I wastaking a charge of ordering for the cake
counter at say Bars, and Istarted going to bakeries all over Brooklyn and
New Jersey and some New England andWestchester, and I started noticing that people

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were still buying big cakes, butthey were buying multiple little cakes, and
I was like, oh, thisis interesting, this is a trend.
And then I started going to babynamings and showers and wed showers and different
gatherings that instead of a cake,there were little cakes all lined up with

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like tiny slices already cut in them, and each one had a cake server
and people would take a little bitof this and a little of that.
My thought, this is amazing.It's such a great idea because if there's
one cake and it's a coconut cakeand you don't like coconut, what do
you do? But this way youget a little taste. So I decided

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it's a trend. There's hardly anybooks. There's no books written on this
subject. A few small batch bakingbooks. So I was like, okay,
I'll write a book. And soI started to explore my favorite cakes,
and I will insert that the lasttwo books, the Once Wee Cookie
I wrote with the seventy best chefsin New York and the next one was

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forty five or fifty of the bestpastry chefs all over the country. And
so this one, I wanted thisone to be mine, my mind mind
mind. So I just scale downmy recipes and I did a lot of
research, and I think we probablycould have had three or four more volumes
because there's a million kicks out there. But I just love the cakes.
And am I allowed to say thatI love the cakes in this book?

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And you pick a favorite of likewhen you look through the book, did
you pick something you want to do? Oh my god? I well,
everything, because but I don't dosugar and gluten. So I take your
ideas and I transform them in mykitchen with my almond flour and my gluten
free, sugar free and the alchemistthat I am and create as well magnificent,

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and I think I do everything cakesthat have no gluten anyway, that's
right, that's right, good cakeor two. So you can already thought
of that. And I'm sorry ifyou can hear my other phones bringing My
child just got engaged two days agoand everybody is calling, so how I'm
citing? No, no, no, that's okay. So the new book,

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though, it's just exquisite, absolutelytracy. It is so beautiful,
sweet little cakes from missus Zabar's bakeshop. And when when one looks at
these, you just can't help butsay wow, and what you've done though,
is you've given us an opportunity tocreate whatever we need. You and

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the ingredients that you say we shouldalways use fresh, and I agree with
you, fresh ingredients that are attheir peak now and as we move into
autumn. And I love that youdid that this book. Yeah, I
am. You know we have daybars. My husband and I are of
ficionados of farm stands and you knowlocal greengrocers. And you know it used

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to be if you wanted a raspberryyou I don't mean a parcel of raspberry
the box. The raspbers who wantto one of them will cost you five
dollars out of season. And nowthere's lots of fruits and vegetables that are
available all year around, but there'slots that aren't that are only available.
So that was why, exactly whatyou said, I split it up until

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four seasons so you could love it. We've got to run everybody. Check
out Tracy's website. Go ahead andgive it Tracy zabar dot com and it's
Tracy with an ey or go tozabars dot com and put your email in
and every other week you'll get adifferent cookbook review and a recipe and a

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chance to win amazing, amazing basketsand prizes from Zabars. Thank you so
much, wonderful, Thank you somuch, Tracy Zabar, and thank all
of you. This has been anotheredition of the Frankie Boyer Show. Thanks
for listening. Make it a greatday, everybody, And as always,
smiles with subset will go to maybeever sow here and if it's smile,

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help read our fears and start smile, and maybe tomorrow you'll see the light
is still worth while if you tomorrow. But some more