Episode 168 with Choclair

Well it's the Nocka, the Chizrocka ... it's Canadian Hip Hop Legend - Choclair! Yes, Choclair joins The Godfathers Of Podcasting this week, and he's comin down with The Northern Touch!

On this episode, Choclair talks about his start in the music biz, the struggles young artists face today, gatekeeping fans, the people who hate Beyonce's new country song, and more! Oh, and by the way, Choclair is a huge WWE fan - so of course, we had to talk a little about the road to Wrestlemania.

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to The Godfather's and Podcasting.Now, I hash y'all didn't know Natans
podcasting since before podcasting what he evencalled podcasting. Archives of this show are
available on every major podcast provider,and you can find video archives, merch
and more on the website Godfathers apodcasting dot com. Now you're your hosts.

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Two guys whos been broadcasting online sincenineteen ninety six, The Godfathers and
Podcasting themselves. Donnie DeSilva An terristedWell, Hello, Hello, Hello,
it is Thursday, February twenty second. I'm Donnie. Y'all know that,
right, unless it's your first timetuning in, in which case, Hi,

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I'm Donnie and the man next tome is my brother who don't talk
to my mother. We go togetherlike jail and cops, like high school
and jocks like karate and chops.That's a notorious t I d Chris did
Well? What up? Did jailand Cops? Yeah? All right?
All right? Did you eat familiarwith both? Well? I was just

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gonna say, did you ever watchthe show? You heavy watcher of the
show Cops? You mean pot likebad boys? Bad boys? Yeah?
I knew a couple of the guysthat were on there. Actually, sure
you did the fellas. None ofthe cops. No, no, the
cops, because you gotta remember myuncle. My uncle was a Vegas cop,
right, so I did actually knowsome of those some of those Vegas

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episodes. It was kind of funny. But told you the other guys.
Was your uncle the one that toldyou to leave Vegas and not come back.
No, that was a judge.There's an actual judge who was like,
yo, it'd probably be in y'all'sbest interest to get the hell up
out of city. It's like,all right, uh, how's your weak

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fit? My man Busier in athree pacord Billy goat, I'll tell you
that much. You know, howabout you? I mean, it's it's
been crazy what's going on out thereright now? Right like you've got you've
got guys that I mean, Iwant to get into this later. You
got guys like Donald Trump is comingout with his own shoe line. You
heard about this craziness, right,Madam Webb, Madam Webb, this movie

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is that a DC or a Marvelthing? Marvel but it's dog shit.
This is what I'm saying, Likethe lowest rating of any Marvel movie ever,
right, it's not Marvel Studios,So I mean, yeah, whatever.
Yeah, And that's and the biggestthing of them all is that apparently
the rock is a freakin' heel.Now the world is upside down, Donnie.

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I love that. That's amazing.Absolutely. Hopefully we can get in
all this stuff with our guests later, and we will. I want to
mention very quickly. Yeah, here'smy big h here's my big news for
the week. Can I just saybefore you get into that, please,
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(04:27):
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(04:50):
too, that you only use onyour beard? Pretty got one? Yeah
you do, Yeah, you dothat. A boy called it, called
it asshole You've known me for almostthirty years. You know, whenever I'm
doing something, if there's an accessoryI can buy on Amazon, I'm gonna

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buy it. It's amazing. Thatis amazing. It's a little silicone brushing
and just exfoliate your shit. Youknow what I'm saying. You gotta keep
it, keep it looking all right, all right, all right, tremendous.
Putting me on blast, put myself care routine on blast. You

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know what, Let's shift gears realquick. Do this because we have our
guests sitting backstage, ladies and gentlemen. Is time right now for the big
Hello this man. He burst ontothe Canadian music scene in the mid nineties
and quickly became a pivotal artist,recognized for a smooth flow, compelling lyricism,
and ability to blend that traditional NewYork sound with pure Toronto vibes.

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His debut album, Ice Cold,dropped in ninety nine and became an instant
thread in the tapestry of Canadian hiphop. Since Ice Cold, he's dropped
a bunch of albums and a tonof singles, and along the way,
he's won a couple Junos and he'sbeen nominated for a bunch More. Of
course, everyone will forever associate himwith the Canadian hip hop anthem where he

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collabed with Rascal's checkmate Cardinal and Thrustand he was coming down with the Northern
Touch. Baby. And I've toldthis story before on the show. When
I was in high school dating agirl that went to JP two and she
was telling me that this man wasshooting his shot. I was like,
oh, damn, we have thesame taste trucks. I may not have
the talent of Rodala, DJ Supreme, Casey, Thomas Yok, Blackhat,

(06:48):
Danio or this man, but Iam officially asking an auditioning to be considered
as the eights Deadly Venom Ladies andgentlemen. He watched Raw with Dan and
you know he saw Flair. Maybeback in the day it was b Brian
Blair, but now chilling. Getready for this man to share. He's
got talent and bars them skills arerare. You could try to come test,

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but don't you dare if you wantto battle him yet, don't have
a prayer, sit you ask down, boy, take a damn chair.
Everybody knows from here to Times Squareit sound and fetch your brain like fucking
spywear. Let's ride had me boppingsince time. I swear, give it
up to the knack of the chisRockA. This is Chac Claire. That

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was it was. I wasn't Iwasn't expecting that. That's sure, nobody.
Oh that was real cool. That'scool. How you guys doing,
Man, it's been a minute sinceI talk to you guys last test Man,
it's been a minute. Yeah,like episode nine was the last time

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you were on, like three yearsago or something like that, almost four
years ago, right, one seventyright now. So yeah, dude,
we just keep piling them up,you know. Yeah. That's dope.
Man, that's dope. It's reallygood. It's great to be back on.
Great to be back on. Allright, so listen, you're a
professional, I'm a hack. I'lltake your critique with those with those terrible
bars, I just dropped. Howfar away am I from being the eighth

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Deadly venom? Well, you knowwhat, maybe the maybe the you know,
like they had the guy that comesout right before Johnny Carson warm up,
you can do it, the guythat so what you're saying you're about,
Donnie, I'll work it out foryou. Out of the eight,
you're like your caller number twenty three. If you'd like to push a button,

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they'll get back to you. Ifyou don't want to wait on hold,
yeah, you'll get your call back, just don't wait on the phone.
The djoke of it is earlier today, I was talking with our bro
Danio, and I said, hey, man, we got shocks coming on
the show tonight. You known theguy forever and ever? You got any
sort of like inside stuff I canthrow at him that'll catch him off guard.

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And he goes, yeah, tons, but nothing you can say publicly,
And I'm like, oh, okay, and it actually you could drop
on him the Seven Deadly Venoms,because I don't think that name of that
crew ever went public. Yeah,yeah, no, it kind of just
stayed among us because yeah, whenwe went on the Beat Factory tour with

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Wylook, black Cat, I R. S. Wild K, Daniel Wilky,
black Cat, Danio and all ofus. We went on the Beat
Beat Factory tour and it was justseven of us and we were all just
starting it's got to be ninety six. Just one of them long white white

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bands with eleven seats in him,you know, just in the middle of
winter, you know, just kindof on our first tour ever, all
of us going outside of like youknow, going at least to like Oshawar,
Pickering or and Marcum and something likethat. So it was good.
We been we we just connected allthroughout the tour. We all had cool
because we're all from Scarborough, sowe kind of all had the same kind

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of Scarborough vibes and everything like that. Yeah, we just call ourselves the
Seven Deadly Venoms and we had thehandshake and everything and we still do.
We still do it today when wesee like it's like our own little thing
because we all went on the roadtogether for the very first time and that's
where the Seven Deadly Venoms came upfrom. I said to Dan, I
go, if I mentioned seven DeadlyVenoms, is Chac clare gonna know what

(10:31):
I'm talking about? Or is thisone of those things that only you remembered
because guy, he still does thehandshake. Yeah, yeah, I still
do the handshake. Whatever I said, I was like, yeah, we
do it, man, we doit. It was a big time because
we just learned so much and itwas just it was such a learning experience
and it was also a great kindof you know, like like we're still
cool for him all these years now, So it was like great bonding with
everybody else, and especially coming upin the industry that you know, there

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wasn't getting a lot of attention exceptfor a little bit, and we had
to go and muscle our way through. So we were all muscling our way
through it at the same time.So it was really cool. That's where
seven de le venoms came up with. Yeah, There's nothing that makes me
feel whiter than when I'm hanging outwith Dan and members of the Mighty Monolith
and their crew and their friends atevery single day. It could be twenty

(11:16):
thirty guys deep, every single guywhen they see each other, they got
their own personalized handshake, and I'mlike, what the fuck And I'm just
like and then they see yo,what's up Donnie, And then they just
you know, I get a littlebit of dap or maybe I'll get like
a you know, like a littlegun finger thing and that's it, and
I'm like, yeah, that's allI can remember. Okay, I can't.
I can't do the choreography. Sodid you ever see there was that?

(11:37):
I think it was Pel and Peeland it was like Obama was walking
into the room and how he wouldthey hided like to like Colin Powell and
someone else and like the George Bushwas like, how you doing, sir?
How you doing sir? So it'sa funny one. Yeah. They
had their own shakes and everything likethat. It's funny, he said,
you mention that. I was justwatching that actually a couple of days ago

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at one episode, we should weshould create our own secret handshake tid.
Yeah, let's do that online.Yeah. Yeah, now everybody's going to
be doing that. You remember this, I'm be like, oh yeah,
I forgot. Let me ask yousomething. When you look at the state

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of music right now, especially let'sjust focus and drill down Canadian music right
whether it's hip hop or beyond,do you look like a proud father?
Yeah? Definitely, you know,it's definitely, you know because a lot
of Actually I just did this.It was like a private party up in

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Kingston last Saturday. It was likeit was like how they do the tiny
desk things. It was just oneof these private things about fifty people coming
in. You come in, youget a bottle of wine and cheese and
you know, stuff like that andthen I when I was performed. Then
it's kind of like you know,like young entrepreneurs or people who you know,

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they're in their forties and stuff likethat, and they grew up on
hip hop and everything, and yeah, they always just always I remember seeing
you at Queen's University or back overand you know, at this one Western
or over here or Victoria, BC, and they're all like either doing music
themselves or their little brothers doing itor whichever. And you know, so

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it's good because they kind of gotmotivation just watching how that was growing into
even into their own thing that theywere doing whatever. They ended up becoming
countings, lawyers, the swat andthe others. But then you got like
the kids that I think slowly nowthere was like a moment where it was
like they're just old heads, likewe got the flavor now, you know
type thing where I think it's slowlygetting like, no, you got to

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know who these people are, LikeI think just last weekend, Maestro performed
at the Leaf Game, you know, like to do stuff like that and
everybody knows everybody knows his name,like cheers. You know. So those
are the kind of things, soit's good to see now people kind of
giving them the history of how itall came around. And a couple of

(14:11):
years ago, I think we didthe Ovofest, the Northern Touch one where
Drake brought up all the guys everybody, like all the US nineties guys and
everything and the early two thousands andstuff, and people came because it was
Drake and may not have known whoI was, but he was like,
you need to know who this is, you know, and especially for like
Drake fans, you know, likehe talks and everybody's ears opening and listening.

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He's like, now if you don'tknow any ran down the list of
like I couldn't. I forgot someof the ones that he was bringing up.
But he would bring up like twoBlack Guys and one hundred Miles and
you know, Jelly Stone and RumblingStrong and you know, like just all
these different groups from back then.So that was good to see. And
when they mentioned your name, it'sit's good because you're just like, yeah,
you know, it's like Roman reignsright now. It's like acknowledge me,

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you know what I mean? Butthey do. It feels like it's
a good thing. Do you thinkdo you think a lot of that.
I was gonna just say, doyou think a lot of that has to
do with the fact that, likeyou, y'all were there at that peak
of when you had things like muchmusic right, you had you had a
nationwide platform that was able to helphelp your your brand grow. It was

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like timing couldn't have been any better, you know what I mean, because
really music was popping off. Clubswere opening up, bigger clubs. You
know, it wasn't underground stuff thatwas playing your music, it was it
was big clubs in Toronto. Areare bumping your songs now in big clubs
in Vancouver because they have that?And then all of a sudden, all
that went away is is that doyou think that like the music of today

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in the Toronto scene doesn't get thatkind of pub because there isn't that national
outlet the way that there was.Well that that's an interesting point because that
could be it. Because when muchMusic was and if you had bet in
MTV back they're playing videos, that'spretty much where you got it right.

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Like you you know, like alot of people that were like me would
go and you know, to gethome or push recorded. When they start
having record buttons and you could setthe timer on your VHS to go and
record four o'clock when rap City cameon, because with the exception of college
radio and a very very few commercialstations, you wouldn't hear the music anywhere.

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So it got nationalized in that waybecause if you liked hip hop at
all, you were watching much music. Everybody would see that same episode of
Rahap City or extend a mix orsold in the city, or just that
random time they played a hip hopsong that was like in the top ten
at the time. Whereas so everybodygot to know us like that. Where
nowadays when that all kind of changedand it was the Internet, it was

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like you could just hit pockets,you know, and it's scattered, like
there's probably there's artists out there thathave like six million views and you never
even heard of them and stuff likethat, like so, but they could
have just gone through their own typeof way, like you know, or
even over in England or over insomewhere in the continent of Africa, those

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artists, and we don't hear thembecause there's not that same streamlining of things.
It's just it's like almost pockets.And then one thing that's funny that
I was talking to one of themusic directors one of the radio stations and
I was like, oh, Iwas going to put out a new song.
I was like, hey, man, you know, can you give
this a listen and let me knowwhat you think, maybe get it in

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a thing. And then he literallytold me, he was like, man,
unfortunately with radio now, like wedon't break music. We just look
for what's hot and we play it, you know. And and so that's
where it's kind of like, becauseif you get on a Virgin and I'm
not saying it was Virgin or anybodynecessarily pointing pointing fingers at anybody, but
I know they're national and syndicated.So if you can get on in a

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Virgin Toronto, you can probably getanyone on the same one in Vancouver and
London and here, there and there, depending on what ever, all these
different things. So and but that'salso a problem too because I remember listening
to Buffalo radio station. It'd belike, first time they play the brand
new Biggie. Nobody's ever saying firsttime they play this anymore. You know,
They're just like you just play itlike everybody it's hot on the news.

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Yeah, you've you've heard it,you've heard it twenty thousand times on
your TikTok feed before, and theneventually you hear it on the radio and
like, oh, oh that's thatsong. Yeah, oh it's you know,
by the time it's on radio,the kids think it's old. Yeah
exactly. But the joke of itis back in the day, right,
Like for example, when you droppedthe Ice Cold, like the A and

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R record reps, they were hustlingand they were they were like chatting up
the radio stations like yo, yougot to drop this new thing. Or
they're making side deals like hey,you got to make sure you play this.
This guy's going to be big,the song's going to be a summer
bang or whatever. Right, they'remaking all those kind of idea to try
and get it. That's because theyhad to work. They had these divisions,

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and then you had uh and thenyeah, and that was I guess
I could say part of the goodold days of the music industry is because
then you have like people coming upthat were ahead of departments, you know,
and we lived in like like thelived hip hop and they were like
part of the urban radio, youknow. So they felt that they had

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love doing it because they're like,I really liked the song. I want
to go and do it. Iwant to go and do it, you
know. And then they had streetteams, and then they still had to
report to the boss because everybody wantedthat job, you know, like you
know, like someone like Big clike he came all the way up through,
you know, Craig Mannix, likehe came all the way up through
a lot of those guys Ice cameall the way up through. And then
even It's funny because the president ofUniversal Music Canada I went to high school

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with and we did talent shows together, and he came he was my radio
guy when I was at Virgin,so like he's from JP two. Yeah
he was yeah yeah remedias Yeah,and he came all the way up through.
So and we all it came upat the same time. So we're
all fighting for the same thing.We all loved music. We all thought
it should be getting played more.It should be you know, people should

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check the pay more attention, acknowledgeit more. And so we all had
this passion to go put it inthere, put that work in street teams
going there. I remember the recordcompanies had to have budgets, because they
had to clean off stickers and allthese board wraps, because they went insane
with things that they were doing.Because everybody had this passion and love and
it was work to do it.Now it's a little it got easier because

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now you just upload and you know, put you know, buy a few
views off like YouTube and just getthe ticker rolling, and then all of
a sudden you start, you know, you get all these views. It's
crazy because some people be like,how can this guy got ten million views
and nobody knows his song? It'slike, you know, like and you
know what, that's part of thestruggle, right because back in the day,

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I remember talking to artists and theywould hate their label or hate their
their A and R because it's like, this guy's not pushing me enough.
They should be doing more for me. Now, theoretically, an artist has
ultimate control. Right they can record, produce, master their own shit.
They can put it online, butthen it's lost. There's just a sea

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of content. There's an ever growingocean of content, and it's like,
how the hell do you stand out? How do you drive eighes and ears
to your sound? A lot oftimes it's it comes down to like you're
saying, but it's it comes downreally to dollars. Because now it's like,

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if you try to get a newshoe into foot locker, look what
your space the space zone is gonnabe. You're gonna be like up in
the top left corner at the backof the store, and all the Jordans,
all the Adidas, all the Nikes, all the Pumas are all gonna
be everywhere else. So if youcan't get to that front part of the
store or have put up two bigneon lights pointing check the stree here like

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a back corner of the store,you know, that's kind of where you
get lost. And a lot oftimes people just through friends and family or
just through their own hustle, theycan go and put down like do their
record because they have their studio ortheir friend has their studio. But then
they can go and put like fivethousand dollars under YouTube advertisements, and that

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stirs their spins or their Spotify's arethere this? You know, like that's
that's pretty much like it's almost like, you know, you can hate it
or love it, but it's theway that it works. You know,
It's like that's the new street level. Like when you had A and R
guys and their street teams going outand doing that to get it over.
That was before YouTube, that wasbefore Spotify. Yeah, all of that.

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So now that's come along. Itwas probably you know, I couldn't
tell you who it was, butI'm sure that there was a small a
very small handful of artists out therewho were the first ones to figure out
Listen, I'm not getting signed bya label. I don't have the money
to put my own stuff, butthere's this internet thing going on, and
maybe I can just use that tobe friends with people on MySpace or you

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know. Then Facebook comes around andthey start marketing themselves this way, and
then more people figure it out,and then more companies start making tools for
the artists to be able to dothat. Now you don't need the street
team anymore. You don't need thatA and R guy and these and the
artists is you know, has thatmuch more control? Yes, but man,

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it's a c out there. Yeah, it's yeah, it's yeah.
It's just because you would take theresources from having a street team, having
put making all the posters and havingthe person to go and run that division.
And now you just take that.Now that was the only problem sometimes
because some people don't have those resources, you know. That's why they would
sign with a record company and goand record company pace for everything, and

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but then they take from taking alot from you. But if you could
raise that kind of initial jump offfund, because you would need to do
that, you don't have to mailout records. You just email everybody like
we had the ship records and shipping. You know, you pay for the
vinyl, pay for the jacket,then pay for the shipping two copies to
how many DJs all around the world, you know what I mean? Like,
so, uh yeah, so Iprefer like I don't mind the advertising.

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I just don't like the spin somuch, like when they buy the
views. But like if you goand do boosts to go and put like
say you advertise on like Instagram anddirect them to wherever your stuff is,
you know, then then you canbecause then people go when they're interested,
rather than it just pops up everytwo seconds in someone's square for five seconds

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and then it's a view or somethinglike that, you know, and then
it's you've got to manipulate that algorithm. Yeah, so but hey, you
know how it works is how itworks. And you know, I can't
hate anybody for doing it because Ihad people mail my records out. So
it makes me think, like Iheard an interview the other day with the
singer Jewel, and her story isall publicized, but if anyone doesn't know

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it in a nutshell, she washomeless, living in her car, ready
to give up on the music industry. And she was living in San Diego
and at the time a lot ofhot alternative rock bands were getting signed out
of San Diego, and so shewas playing coffee shops right this folks singer
in right around the time that youdropped your first album, and she's she's

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singing in coffee shops and they're chargingher money to perform. They're like a
lot of labels come and watch,so you're probably gonna get signed, So
you got to pay us. Andshe's like, plays is packed. You
guys are making money, and I'mpaying you one hundred bucks for the right
to perform. So she ended upgoing to this coffee shop that was about
to go out of business and said, can you stay open one more month?

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And the lady's like, I guessso, and she would make up
flyers by hand, walk down tothe beach, hand them out. Two
or three guys would show up becausethey thought maybe they were going to get
with her that night. And theneventually she's selling out and then all of
a sudden, the local radio stationgoes, holy shit, this song is
unbelievable. They play it. She'sa success. Yeah, you know,

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she goes from living in her carto signing a million dollar record deal,
and it's like that story can't happenanymore. Yeah, well it's not like
that, not with the coffee show, because now that people would just go
online and do it, do theset up, you know, an account
somewhere and just like here, likeI live in Saint Thomas and out here.

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And once people realized that it wasout here living in St. Thomas,
they were like, now I'm inthe what's Happening St. Thomas Facebook
whatever page, like you know,like they have a picture of me wearing
a jumbo or something, and I'dbe like, hey, because my friend
Malachi, he started it in St. Thomas. So and they have actually
have a jumbo elephant. Stories isthat they killed the elephant by accident with

(26:56):
a locomotive. Back in like nineteenor nine. So that's that. If
you look it up on the thing, watch the elephant meaning Sat Thomas to
tell you the story. So that'slike, so we're cool. So we
make it global, we make jumboglobal. But but it's it was started
here and yeah, and now whenthey take see pictures of me wearing it
online, I mean like the SaintThomas Times or my FM that because one's

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right across the street from me,and then all this other stuff. So
so yeah, like you know,but so in that aspect maybe, but
yeah, you just got to doyour promo whatever's going to work for you,
because at the end of the day, what's going to stand out is
the song. I was talking tosomeone the other day about it and they're
like, they're talking about when Iwas in Kingston, Like it's just like
that song, like Let's Ride,like you know, like that song just
stands the test of time. Ican listen to it from then until now,

(27:41):
and it was like because a lotof times some songs you hear and
you hype for a moment and thenyou you forget that it was even around.
So you know, so mentioned,yeah, you mentioned something earlier that
I wanted to piggyback on in.I know you're a wrestling fan. We
could talk about wrestling, right,but before we do, I wanted to
say you mentioned about Roman Reigns andyou were saying, you know, Drake

(28:07):
was cool enough to sort of giveyou guys the rub and be like,
hey, young fans, this guyis important, right, He's important to
the scene. My question for youis, do you feel like younger hip
hop fans, those gen Z kids. Do you feel like they know who
you are? Do you feel they'refamiliar with your catalog or is it something

(28:30):
like, yeah, I only knowwhat's current and what's now. I think
for the most part, they wouldhave heard of me, most of them
too. Also their parents if they'restill in the hip hop they would have
told them about me, you know, and especially if they're into music and

(28:51):
rap music, they would have atleast checked me out one or two and
they could have been like, oh, well, you know, I like
this song, maybe not that song, you know, or I like his
newer stuff or I really like hisold stuff or something like that. So
I think it's it's not there yet, Like it's not like how when we
look back at you know, likethe big Daddy Kanes, the you know
mops and the mob Deeps and stuff. Who Tangs were like yo, yeah

(29:15):
those guys. Because somebody said somethingbad about like, you know, Wu
Tang, he'd be like yo,like Whu Tang didn't do nothing for hip
be like dude, come on,like sit all the way down. Yeah,
you know. And that's the funnything with hip hop too, is
that there was that one guy Iforget who it was, but he was
like he was on some uh someshow and he was talking about how he
doesn't great biggie doesn't great pop andhe doesn't great like he's like, oh

(29:38):
those guys are. And the onething that stuck out to me is I
was like, you never would hearthat, Like I rock roll, somebody
say oh, well yeah, youknow yeah Van Hale and yeah he sucked
or led Zeppelin, you know,like who cares? Like nobody would say
who cares to Jimmy Hendricks, butyou could say who cares to like run
DMC, like ah, and nextthing you know, they're MYSTO told me

(30:00):
thing he's like, always count theyears intents. Count the years in tents
because everything comes back in tents.So ninety nine was ice cold. And
then two thousand and nine things havepicked up a really lot against for me.
Nineteen ninety nine, I started gettinginto clothing and music was starting to
come out again on shooting videos again. And then like I know it's not

(30:22):
an actual full nine or full tense, sorry, but yeah, and then
things have just like it almost likeyou get a lull and then all of
a sudden ten year period, youknow, because myestro's in like his thirtieth
maybe close to his fortieth year,thirtieth year, and look now he's got
he's got linking car commercials, he'sgot his own TV show, he has
his own radio show, he's doingsongs that he got his own book,

(30:47):
children's book, he's nominated for akid's Juno war like you know what I
mean, and all this thing,and you would think from eighty nine all
the way up to now and he'sstill there and you know, and he's
still relevant. People mightn't maybe theold newer kid might only really know the
Blackbone's live song, but his historymakes them know, and is the way
that he is makes people be like, yeah, I know the Blackbone slow

(31:08):
so you know, but you know, but I see him around it's cool,
Like, you know, he seemscool and I see him, I
meet him type thing. You know, it's interesting. Sorry, I was
just gonna say it's interesting because whenwe were younger, if you're really into
something, whether it was music,sports, movies, whatever the fuck it
was, you didn't just love thatmoment of that thing. I remember being

(31:36):
a young kid loving baseball, andI went out and bought a Baseball almanac
and I was reading about the FirstWorld Series bro I was reading about the
Black Sox scandal. I was learningabout Babe Ruth. I was learning about
all these guys because that's the waymy brain worked. And it's like these

(31:56):
kids today that have ridiculou kill lessresources at their fingertips, they're just like,
nah, nah, it's the timespan. Because remember I had when
I was DJing back in the day, I had the belve of Devo Poison
twelve inch single that had three differentversions. On the other side had the
eleven minute I don't know, likeyou know, five of the songs were

(32:21):
like all instrumentals, and they wouldjust do little zip D D D D
and it was like eleven minutes long, like you could go and sit there,
go put on a coffee, makea bagel, come back in the
song still playing. That's how longit was. But we would sit there
and listen to the whole thing andread the back of the record jackets,
and you know, like like yousaid, go through the history of it,

(32:43):
and songs were three minutes long anda really cool one was five and
a half, you know now,And I catch myself doing it too,
Like sometimes I'd be like, oh, man, Like I was just like,
oh, I don't know. Itcould be like fails of the week
or something like that, and I'dbe like, ah, but it's thirteen
minutes long though, you know,unless I'm like lying in bed and just
watching TV and I just like,you know, just put something on and

(33:06):
I'm just sitting there. You know, I'll having a bag of chips or
something like that, because I youknow, but like if I'm just trying
to zim through quick things on thething, you know. But that's what
it is. It's like the timespan is so small, so you know,
that's why the history is not there. If they can learn it all
in five and ten minutes, likewhen you see these things on their YouTube
and it says all about all aboutthe Vietnam War than ten minutes animated,

(33:30):
like because you got to get themall like right there, you know,
that's yeah, just get them there. But that's the really I think that's
the reason why they don't get theirhistory, because it's everything's programmed to be
great at you at your fingertips,get it. You want to learn a
recipe, put it up three minuteslong. Just tell me what to put
in there and how long to putit in for you don't show me and

(33:52):
stuff like that and everything that youknow, social media has turned us into
a whole planet of ADHD people.Yeah, I'm sorry I interrupted you.
That's quite right. I mean,listen, you don't have to It's got
to the point I think that youdon't even have to have schools anymore,
Like do you have to be smartother than like just you know, learning
how to hang out with people becauseif you have a question, you don't

(34:15):
ask anybody, You just go toGoogle. Yeah right, yeah, you
know. But but but it wasn'talways that way, and I wanted to
find out. I want to pickyour brain a little bit. When you
were younger, and you were youwere coming up, who were the guys
that you looked to and who didyou ask for advice? Like who is
your mentors? Coming up in themusic industry? Oh man in the music

(34:37):
industry, Uh oh, it wouldbe. At first, it was like
just I don't know if I askedfor advice as much as I just we
were like like minded. We wereall into wraps. Some of us were
good, some of us wasn't.And we were also breakdancing at the same
time, so we were all likelike minded, and we bounce ideas off
each other like oh, you know, like freestyles and we'd be like,

(34:59):
you know, like yeah, thaton that one, make sure you keep
that one, you know, andstuff like that, So you do that.
Once I got out of and Istarted getting into it on a more
of a professional industry level. Likethe first person I met in the industry
level was Socks. That was becausehis friend his friend. Well, I
knew road Dollar before because we wentto the same high school, but like
outside of b No and Roe andin the same high school was Wo Socks.

(35:23):
He had his first single out atthat time that's still caught up and
I think it's Tuesday came out fromthe play a record. Eugene over there
stepping bigger record, yeah, cameout of them. And then my friend
Ramone. I went to school withRamone, and but he lived on the
same street that Socks lived on,and he knew that I was doing rap

(35:45):
because I was doing talent shows atmy school and stuff. And I was
like, Yo, you know thatguy Socrates that is playing on eight eight
point one where I was like,yeah, He's like, oh, he's
my neighbor. If we want,I can link you up and whatever.
And he was just starting, buthe had a record out, you know,
and that was what we all wanted, like that's like ninety three someone.
So we was like, he waslike, you he has a record
out, and especially being from Canada, and it sounds good and you know

(36:05):
and everything like that. So soyeah, so I would learn a lot
from him because he was already recording, and me and him would go to
the studio together, like he woulddrive together. I'd either drive or he
would even the drive, and wejust became friends over time. At first,
I was paying him, I don'tknow, like two hundred dollars a
beat or something like that, youknow, like just to go in and
we go to the studio and andthen we'd go there and record for you

(36:30):
know, like four hours. Weonly have four hours. It wasn't like
we can go in there and youknow just spend time and sit there and
talk and whatever's like, go ina record require four hours. It cost
me thirty dollars an hour. Ithink it was twenty dollars an hour.
Actually yeah, I think it waslike twenty I love that game twenty dollars
an hour. So yeah, Sothen I would just learn off him because
he was already doing it. Thenthrough him I learned. I met through

(36:52):
I met Cardi and Julie. Juliewas a singer and know, we were
all trying to do our music atthe exact same time, and so we
really just learned off each other.And as my popularity grew, they would
kind of learn off me because Iwas doing things that they were aspiring to
do as well. And plus andthen then as CARTI was going, people

(37:14):
you know solitary would learn and rolewas always in the mix with everybody.
And then I started meeting the maestrosand Michie Means and people like that.
Then they I want I would sitdown with them. Mike Stroll once told
me, Once I went and Idid the show quite a few years back,
and I didn't do Let's Ride.My store was like, did you
do it Let's Ride? I waslike, oh, you know, I
thought people were and I thought they'regoing to be tired of that song.
And I do it all the timeevery time. He's like, you always

(37:34):
do your hit no matter what,because there's somebody out there that's going to
be you know. That's like,oh, I hope he does this.
I hope it was going to bemore than the one person's going to think
that. And that's one of thelessons I've always learned. And he's also
always said, like, you know, don't just make music, make history
and then so then that's one thingI was like, Okay, I can
make a good song, but howam I going to I want to make
a song that people will remember,you know, like the Rubbins, the

(37:55):
Skylines, the Made to Move Mountains, the Let's Ride, the Skunks,
you know what I mean, Likethose type of songs where people are like,
it gives an emotion, you know, food for your soul. These
are all these things and all thesepeople that I meant that you were in
and out of my life as itwas coming up. These are all things
people used to tell me, andthat still sticks with me till they one
didn't Day one. I know what'sfunny is just before COVID. Okay,

(38:19):
like December twenty nineteen, I wentwith our bro Danio down to the Royal
Ontario Museum for a very small,intimate and interactive concert put on by Maestro.
And so it's like, you know, it's it's kind of like a
black tie affair. Everyone's looking nice. There's like wine and cheese and all

(38:40):
this shit, right, and he'sthere and he's doing this thing and they
got a little stage set up,and so you see him. At one
point he's like off to the side. Mel Boogie's there and she's helping him
pump out CDs and shit. Andsomeone comes over before his set and goes,
hey, O, Maestro, you'regonna do backbone, And without lifting

(39:02):
his and he's signing and without liftinghis head, he's like, what do
you think? Yeah, that's true. Yeah, like you gonna do Yeah,
You're gonna do backbone. SI,come on, what you think?
What do you think? Now?I'm gonna go up there, I'm gonna
I'm gonna read a chapter from myfavorite book. Yeah, that I do

(39:22):
some spoken word. So he wasgoing to do let's ride. Yeah,
Yeah, I'm gonna pick it up. We're gonna be Cardi Slam tonight.
Uh. Another thing that popped inmy head. And this is sort of
going back to what we were talkingabout earlier with like just the the phenomenal

(39:45):
amount of resource that's available to peopleand whether they choose to or choose not
to look it up. And andthis is going to start to creep into
the wrestling side of your brain.Okay. Uh. The son of Ice
Cube O Sha Jackson Junior, Hollywoodactor, successful busy man, huge wrestling

(40:10):
fan, huge, and lately OhSha Jackson Junior has become known on Twitter
or x as being a complete assholeto a whole group of wrestling fans that
love a e W which is whichis a rival wrestling company to WWE.

(40:34):
And you know, he'll he'll putstuff on on Twitter. He'd be like,
yo, who's this old Japanese manEdge is fighting And instead of people
coming and going, oh, that'sMenora Suzuki. He's a legend from blah
blah blah blah blah, they go, fuck you, You're not a real
wrestling fan. You fucking fake,You're a fucking sellout, you fucking bitch.

(40:54):
Fuck you you're And they just goin and of course, oh,
Shay Jackson Junior, she just goesright back at them. But I look
at this and I go, Okay, I kind of sound like a hypocrite
because on one hand, I'm like, hey, if you're a fan of
something and you want to go anddo the research, then you have the

(41:17):
resources available. But at the sametime, if I said to you,
hey, shocks, I never heardany Socrates music I have. But if
I've never heard any Socrates, canyou recommend something I check out? You're
not gonna be like, yo,fuck you, Donnie. You don't know
hip hop suck you man. You'dbe like, yeah, man, listen,
here's an album you could check,you know what I mean. Like,
it's so funny to me. AndI don't know if that's a toxic

(41:39):
wrestling fan thing, if it's acommunity gatekeeping thing where people are like,
you can't come into our world,Like do you see that happening in not
just wrestling but music? Sometimes inmusic, I think it's more of a
comic book guy thing, you know, Like it's not like a super authentic
to like how they say it.Then it's yeah, because if somebody like

(42:02):
I have friends that well, here'sthe easiest thing. Super Bowl people just
will go and watch or football onThanksgiving when everybody comes together. They don't
really watch football. They know they'rewhoever and their family's into it. The
family's all together, they're all goingto be there. Most some of them
go to watch the halftime show.They really don't care until the fourth quarter.

(42:22):
If it's a close game, they'relike, oh, they caught it,
like they know what's going on andthey can count yards and everything like
that. But then you kind ofeducate them and then be like because it's
supposed to be entertaining at the sametime. So if I go to something,
if I go to like a rockband show that I don't know and
I'm like, oh, man,this is a good song. What song
is this? Yeah, if youturn around and be like, oh,
why are you even here? BecauseI'd like, I might just like these

(42:45):
guys. That's actually that's how Iended up liking Ridge against the Machine.
Socks was like we were when itfirst came out. We're driving around in
the car and it's like, Yo, did you hear this band, I
was like, no, And thenthe first two songs you put in was
uh in the name of and thenthe other one that they and the other
big big one from way back then, but killing in the name of.

(43:07):
There's a few yeah bomb track.I can't remember. I'd have to look
at it as a bunch. Yeah, I note by the title, but
I can't remember. But that's howI got into raging against the machine.
You know. So somebody I'm tellingyou right now, I think we just
found chock Lair's new YouTube bit.All right, we're gonna put headphones on
him and chock Lair listens to likemetal bands for the first time ever.

(43:32):
I like it, man, becauseyou know, the thing is the coordinator
nation that you have to have todo the drums of all the things,
you have to hit, the guitars, how you play the things, all
that stuff. Like I love theguitars because, like you know, I
know, there's a whole bunch ofbigger names than probably other people out But
I always say people forget, likehow great of a guitar player Prince was,

(43:52):
you know what I mean, youknow, like because he had so
much other going around, But likeif you just sit there and listen to
it, you know, clear oneslike Slash and other people like that,
you know, and it just bands. I don't even know who the guitarist
is. I'm just hearing the guitarplaying. I'm like, oh, this
is dope, Like this is dope. So yeah, I just yeah.
But going back to that point,it's like, yeah, like yeah,

(44:12):
I saw that thing. And they'relike, oh, you don't know wrestling.
It's like, well, then showhim, because I don't know a
lot of the AEW guys either,except for the ones that go from WWE,
you know, like or they stickout like that MJF guy or whatever.
I don't even know his whole stick. I just know he's big enough
that I started to see him.So yeah, just be like, oh,
this is this guy and that's whatever. And because next time it's just

(44:34):
on TV, he might be like, Oh that's that. I don't know.
That's that Kofi Kingston guy that Iwatched him the other day. He
stays on his hands to not fallout of the ring at Royal Rumble,
Like he's really athletic. Let's seewhat he does this time, you know,
Like that's how you get people intoit keeping fans always make me fucking
laugh, and like ae W fansare their own breed of animal. They're

(44:57):
different than regular wrestling fans because they'relike, they feel like they're insulated,
right. They hate WWE, butthey love their ship and if you don't
like their ship, then you're anidiot. And it kind of reminds me
of this whole internet explosion that happenedthis week. I don't know if you're
aware of this or not, butyou're a music eh. Country music fans

(45:19):
have lost their fucking mind shocks becauseBeyonce went and made a country album and
her first single drop this week,and it's good. Like I'm sitting here,
I'm line dancing and I'm going tosome Beyonce. Well you can only

(45:42):
see from here, that's all youget, right, I'm watching people and
like the dance for her song TexasHold Them. It's gone viral. People
are doing it everywhere. And thenyou look in comments, man, and
it's like it's tasty, bittersweet tea, and you see these people. That's
not country. Fuck this ship.She can't do country. It's the city,

(46:04):
bitch. Fuck this, say thefuck out of country. I saw
John Schneider from The Dukes of Hazzardbo Duke Oh really coming out and he's
like, yeah, these these liberals, they got to come in and piss
all over our stuff and mark theirterritory. Get the fuck out of here.
This is country music. I knowabout country music. I made country
music. You know. It's onething for someone like Shanaya to do country

(46:28):
and then move into rack. Youcan't go the other way. You can't
go from somewhere else and come tocountry. You're not country. What the
fuck are we talking about? Andthey get mad when the country goes into
pop, But as the pop goesinto the country, they get mad because
if that's that's why they all,that's probably why they're really pissed, because
Taylor Swift is the big thing nowand now you have Beyonce getting it,

(46:52):
Like so Taylor Swift into traded,they are changed over or just it's pops.
She's always been popping with a hitof country, but Beyonce as always
been pop and now she's in thecountry, and they're like, well we
lost Taylor Swift? Were we takingbeyond? No? This stuff it's gonna
all these liberals are covered everywhere,grabbing all of our artists. New country,
new country is pop. Yeah,let's gonna get it twisted. New

(47:14):
country is pop. It's the same. It's just done with a twang.
That's it. It's just done witha twang. I don't understand. Like,
listen, if you're if you wereto tell me that Beyonce's coming out
and doing like some Hank Williams orsome like some Willie Nelson vibe or some
old Dolly Parton stuff or whatever.Cool, but you know what I mean.

(47:34):
But she's she's doing her stuff witha slide guitar. It's that.
That's it. At the end ofthe day. At the end of the
day, isn't it about the isit? Shouldn't it be about the artist
doing what they want with their ownfreaking art. Yeah, well that's the
thing, because now it's like,this is our art. Now. What's
gonna happen now? Is Andre threethousand? All the Philharmonics are gonna get

(47:59):
mad at him because this album wasa fruit. That's not let's don't start
listen. I was pitched. Ifucking pitched chocks, all right, because
I for one was looking forward tothis. You hear the hype about it
Andre's got a new album coming out, and you're like dope, and you
stay up for three days and youget into a lineup at the store and

(48:19):
finally this thing drops and you hitplay and you're like, well, this
is going to put me to sleep. Real fuck music to sleep too,
Like the record of music fans arethe country music fans mad because she comes
from pop, or they mad becauseshe's black. I think there's a combination

(48:39):
of it because, you know,like because I think even say even like
like it's not so much now,but like when seventies rock was there,
and then grunt started coming in andit was like, you know, it
was like a almost like a likea slice of what was going on in
the seventies, and then tech modeand bands like that kind of changed it

(49:01):
around in the eighties, and thenthe harder rock bands came, but it
wasn't quite and then that's when youstarted getting classic rock radio compared to like
new rock, you know. Likeso I think so I think the fact
that it came from pop and shewas just a pop artist and she's like
probably one of the biggest there's alot of reasons to be jealous of her.

(49:21):
She's with the biggest artists in theworld. She's married to the big
other biggest artist of the world.She's like billions and billions of dollars.
Everybody loves her. You attack heronline, then the beehive comes after everybody
else, Like she loved by everybody. So if you know, if you
are just a little insecure about that, you're already gonna be like, oh
gosh, Beyonce again, huh,Like I see hear people say that and

(49:44):
be like, yeah, I don'tlike that Beyonce. You know that,
uh, that illuminati girl stuff.Like I was just like, come on,
just just doing music, just leaveit alone. And so I think
it's that. And then also thereis some tradition of that, you know,
like it's the country in the South, everything like that, Like all
that stuff is there, you know. So I can't tell you what the

(50:04):
percentages of it it all is.But I think there's a bit of both.
And there's jealousy the pop there's jealousyof her fame, the fact that
she does pop music, and probablybecause the color of her skin, and
they're like, we can't like,look, they got the other reasons.
They got mad at Little nas X. He's black, he's gay and he
does country. Oh my gosh,somebody's head blew up in this in the
place he's gay, little ex.I was about to say, you did

(50:32):
that really good. I like whatyou know what it is? The Rednecks
are mad shocks because Beyonce went andcreated this viral TikTok and and the like.
It's a little bit of step dancewith too much rhythm, and they
can't keep up. You know,these rhythmless old white dudes. They can't
keep up, and they're like,God, damn it, she made it

(50:53):
hard. I don't like this.That's what's going on. You said something
on this show almost four years ago, back on episode nine that I have
quoted in multiple interviews since then,and you kind of referenced it a second
ago when you talked about how,you know, you and I were the

(51:13):
same age kids, much much mucholder. But when we were kids,
we grew up listening to everything.Yeah, because you turn on the radio
and you had access to everything,right, So like, yeah, you're
gonna hear def Leopard, You're gonnahear run dmc uh. If you're lucky,
you're gonna hear some. You're gonnahear some you know some Depeche Mode.

(51:37):
You're gonna hear some Jefferson air likewhatever. You know what I'm saying,
Like you were hearing everything because wewere inundated. Now the world has
become so nat Everything is so niche, like even within a genre of music,
there's a dozen subgenres. Right,Yeah, it's like none I like,
I like. I like trip hop, like like trip trip hop,

(52:00):
That's what I like. Fuck,so everything has become only listened to drill
rap from the southeast block of KansasCity. What are we doing here?
It's just funny how things have becomeso niche. And you had to figure

(52:21):
there was gonna become a breaking point, right And about a month ago or
so on this show, I saidto Tid and this is before Beyonce's album,
I said, holy shit, Ilike country music. First time in
my life. I've been listening tonothing but jelly Roll. I'm a jelly
Roll stand. All of a sudden, right like his lyrics they hit me
hard. I dig his vibe.I like him as a person. I

(52:43):
think he's cool as ship. Andall of a sudden, Bro, I'm
in the car, I'm listening tojelly Roll on loop you know what I
mean. And now I'm listening tobe I'm like, holy shit, I'm
listening to the Queen Bee doing countryTexas hold Them. I like country.
That was one of the things Inever listened to when I was because that
wasn't pop music when we were kids. Everything else was, right, Is

(53:07):
that what it takes to break downthose music barriers is more and more of
these huge artists that just crossed thelines into different different places to play different
audiences. I think yeah, becauseyou know, like it almost kind of
switched up in like the nineties atfirst, because you know, and at
that point, I remember even hiphop guys are like, oh, we're

(53:29):
not R and B, We're hiphop, like you know, But then
you know, the puff Daddies camein and the Father Ramsey's and all these
guys started doing you know, FatherThat's Yea songs with Joe to See and
Mary J. Blige is with Smithand Wesson, and then all of a
sudden you're seeing Public Enemy with Anthraxand everything. So even though they were

(53:52):
the same type of thing, butthen again against yeah, rage against Machine
kind of was wrapped sort of rockthat type of stuff. So like in
the nineties, everybody was like hiphop was one thing, and rock was
one thing, and dance music wasone thing, and pop was like you
know, Britney Spears, backstreetfores allthat stuff. Then all of a sudden,

(54:14):
Justin Timberlake says, yeah, likehip hop, let me try and
do a song with Nelly. Sothey girlfriend. Stuff like that starts happening.
So then now you have the newKid and Sync fans doing songs,
liking songs from Nelly, and noweverybody starts meshing, and that's where you
start getting Limp Biscuit with method ManCorn, with these guys. Basically when
that happens. Typically when that happens, what you see is the Nelly fans

(54:37):
are like, fuck Nelly, hesold out. Well, it depends because
Nelly wasn't as hardcore like an Mop. He was already with Damn Baby,
even though if you listen to thewords with it, he's like pulling off
the ak to miletical like he's talkingabout shooting up a block and the whole
song that's but that's what he's saying. If they because they always played the
well they play the clean version,you listen to the uncensored version. I

(55:00):
he's talking some stuff. But Ithink at that point, when everybody started
meshing, all these fans started goingback into their corners. They're like,
now I like this type of hiphop, you know, like I like
the epmds, the Big Daddy Kyanes, I don't like this job rule.
And you know, every once ina while, someone would come around,
like you know, fifty Cents cameout and everybody really loved them DMX when

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everybody really loved them, but thenfifty cent started doing job Rule stuff when
Eat took them out, and youknow, and all these things started meshing.
So then within the cultures, andthis is just not for hip hop,
because everybody was mixing music at thispoint, so people started pairing down
and be like, well, Ilike, you know, I like old
school rap. I'm a nineties rapguy, or I'm an old school rock

(55:42):
guy or this. And then eventhough other people are mixing and meshing,
they're doing like, oh, butI like jungle music, so I'm going
to make this type of music oryou know, and I saw music started
changing and everybody started falling back intotheir corners. I think that's what started
happening. But when these things startgoing on, when you have big time
artists, Like what's it like whenKendrick Lamar and Taylor Swift did a song

(56:09):
together, you know, even thoughyeah, she's on it and she's doing
her pop thing, but it leanedharder than what she normally did, you
know, and stuff like that.And Beyonce started doing it. She came
off of Destiny's Child and started gettingmore core, like I guess once she
got into got with jay Z andstarted doing Crazy in Love, like her
music changed. She wasn't like BootyDelicious, Booty Delicious. She doesn't do

(56:32):
it that anymore. She's like,come here, like all aggressive on the
songs and everything like that, andthe type of songs that she's doing.
So I think that's just part ofit. It's just because music is messing
so much, and the majority ofpeople love it. But the people that
are like fundamental music of that genre, they either scale back create or and

(56:53):
the creative people stay here the mostcreative and popular here, but other people
are like, I don't like thatstuff. Like all I listened to is
day La Soul from nineteen ninety four, Like that's that's my era, and
I love that too, right,But I also love everything around that.
I think that's why it changed abit, and where people scale around in
the boxes, people out and wedon't know, we don't know what's popular

(57:16):
in another country all the time,you know what I mean, Like we
don't know about the music scene inSpain, or we don't because living in
Canada or whatever, we don't knowabout the music scene in you know,
in Mexico for that matter. Right, So then you get the opportunity to
do a bunch of like, youknow, a bunch of features on songs.

(57:37):
You just did one last year apparentlyright with a very I listened to
it, a song called bomb Voyage. Oh yeah, right with Tiera.
I listened to it, And thisis what I'm thinking. I'm like,
this is going to be played inevery single resort all across the Caribbean,

(57:59):
like, and you're never going tohear this in in North America for the
most part, you know what Imean, unless unless that's your music that
you you tune into. But thisis going to get so much more play
that we just don't know about.Well, you know what I mean.
Yeah, Well, look at likethere's an artist Fito Blanco, Like you
don't really hear his music over herethat much. But he's all over the

(58:22):
place. And then you look atlook at Snow. He did the remix
with Daddy Yankee, and she's allthe time over in Puerto Rico. But
like, you don't hear it thatmuch unless you're listening to like like a
mixed show, like you know,like the Live Drive at five with Starting
from Scratch or something like that,and you're in the car. And nowadays
people aren't evenally listening to radio likethat, you know, because they just

(58:43):
put under Spotify or they might puton the radio because they don't want to
see the traffic and stuff like that, listen for traffic and weather or something.
But for the most part, butyeah, I look, these songs
could be huge canon. I'm forgettingwhat his song was called back in the
day. An his song was onthe Waving Flag Waving Flags that was on
the It was on the World Cupfew years back. I think he just

(59:05):
dropped. I think he just wantto grammy this this this year that just
passed and you don't even know whathe's doing, Like, you know,
what is it? It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter, Like you know,
your art will be the art andpeople will take to it, and
I believe in Yeah, I likethat that song with bon Voyage, that
song is going to be like inresorts. It's going to be like everywhere
and people just not know, youknow, like exactly, it'll be like,

(59:29):
oh, I haven't heard this ina while, you know, and
or I ever heard this song withChockler's. I went to Europe when Thong
Song came out. When when itfirst came out, and me and Solitaire
and all of us went to theclub. There was fifteen different mixes of
Thong Song and they played him allthat night. There was a dance mixing,
the drum and bassed mix, theregular mix, every like that song

(59:50):
played like but it was the mostpopular song at the time. But that
song played like every seven minutes,and it was a different version. So
I only know the one. WhenTed talks about we don't know what's popular
elsewhere, it reminds me again,I'm going to cross over. It reminds
me to a few years ago atWrestleMania when out came Bad Bunny and people

(01:00:10):
were like, the fuck is thisguy? And people got all toxic and
and it's like, oh, waita minute. That's when I started doing
my because I wasn't familiar with Bunnyand I did my research. I'm like,
oh, he's the most downloaded guyon Spotify. He's the best selling
artist in American history that doesn't singin English. Ever, Like what,

(01:00:30):
this guy is massive and people likegetting him as part of WWE. I
don't think a lot of fans realizehow big it was. Like it was
gigantic because he is such a megamegastar and it just happens that he's a
he's a massive wrestling fan and hewas he was also sorry. I was

(01:00:51):
just gonna say that even in thattoo. Look what the WWE did.
They put a pay per view inPorto Rican, Puerto Rico and brought all
the Puerto Rico, brought Caledo back, you know, brought all the stars
from Puerto Rico there. Bad Bunnywas there and the crowd went bananas.
What a monster show that was.Yeah, speaking of WrestleMania, we are

(01:01:12):
on the road to WrestleMania, asyou know, because you're a wrestle head.
So are you team Cody cry Babyor are you team Rock? I'm
team Bloodline all the way. Iwant them to actually, I want them
to actually something happened, something shouldhappen, and the Bloodline comes in,
Oh, this is what should happen. Cody Rhodes is going to get should

(01:01:36):
get mad at Jay because they werefriends and he brought him in, and
something's going to happen with some kindof whatever, I don't know, some
type of kafuffle, and the Bedlineshould come back in, come and defend
Jay. And he comes and heruns with the family because that's remember Rock
was supposed to fight Roman Reigns andCody Rhodes came out and started talking some

(01:01:59):
small and Rock was just like yo, And I think that was a shoot
slap because he slapped the pretty goodand everybody seemed pretty genuinely upset. But
I don't think maybe they could justact really well, but it seemed really
like, you don't do that,you don't do that type stuff. The
fact that you don't know is whatmakes it amazing. Yeah, that makes
it amazing, and so yeah,so I so, yeah, that's what

(01:02:21):
I think because when they did Idon't know if he saw the show where
they were doing the slap show,when they put the family tree, that's
hugely impressive, you know, andJay just straggling around over there by himself.
He could still be solo because he'son on Wrap on Raw and those
guys are on SmackDown. But likeI would love to see them on the

(01:02:43):
rock and the blood Light. UhRocky. She just jumped like the whole
oose that would be. And thenI don't know who he's gonna get on
his side to get Cody and dusting. You know, if his dad was
still a live rest of the piece, that would have been dope to you
know, But then got this isthe family. I don't know, maybe
the Funk family comes in the Ortons, you know what I mean, Like

(01:03:06):
they're like two traditional wrestling families atrestamat. I think I was gonna do
it, and I was gonna bringand I want to go in, and
I was gonna watch the story.I was gonna watch WrestleMania. I was
telling DANNYO should come and watch itat this place called free Play Toronto.
I'm gonna go watch it there.And then I was like, and I
will take pictures and whatever and belike, yeah, we're watching wrestume and
anything. And then Money in theBank is in Toronto, and I was

(01:03:29):
like, yo, I'll grab thetickets and sit front row and we'll be
right there, like in the frontrow. Make sure we get camera time
everything like that. I just gofront row. And because he keeps he
tells me all the time. He'slike, Yo, that lyric propelled me
so much everybody. So it comesup with me and Danny. I'll watch
it like Jilie Money and I I'llwatch it be and Daddy O at the
Skydom when it's in Town. He'slike town. Yeah. Yeah. He's

(01:03:50):
like, that's my iconic line forme. And he's like, I've got
a lot of jobs off that,Like, oh, you're the Danny O.
So have said I you know howmany people have said that the light
skinned dude from Rascals They thought thatwas dan in the Northern Touch video.
Oh really it was Danny Owen there. See that's what we would be like,

(01:04:13):
Oh, man, you don't knownothing, you're not it's rap?
What are you talking about? Andhip hop? Danio is way lighter than
that guy. Yeah, I'm Luna. If you're doing a WrestleMania flex,
I need to know about this,okay, So like we gotta we gotta
make this happen everyone. Here's thebest part about this Cody Rhodes Roman Reigns

(01:04:39):
bloodline thing is there is literally adozen different ways they can take this story,
and everyone's talking about it, andthat's why it's so goddamn compelling,
right that they haven't officially announced ityet, but the rumor that's out there
is the Rock and Roman versus isCody and Seth on Night one of WrestleMania,

(01:05:02):
Cody versus Roman on Night two ofWrestleMania. That's the story that's going
around now. If that happens thatway, Seth could fuck over Cody because
they've had their beef in the past. And if Cody loses the match the
next night against Roman, he walksinto a natural program with Seth for his

(01:05:25):
belt. And if he beats Romanfor the belt, he still has a
natural program with Seth that he cando. Right. If everyone's saying,
oh, the Rock is going toscrew over Roman, that's why he whispered
to him on SmackDown to Cody.He's going to screw over Roman Reigns,
and he's going to help Cody winand finish the story. I think people

(01:05:46):
are thinking too small. I thinkyou're going to get a full year of
the bloodline of the super blood linewith the two headed monster of Rock and
Roman. I think you're going toget a full year and then around around
Royal Rumble next year they're gonna havea split, and then you're gonna get
Roman versus Rocket Mercelmania forty one withstory and beef and heat. That's what

(01:06:14):
I think is gonna happen. That'sinteresting. But I don't know if it's
gonna last a year, because I'mgonna assume Rock is gonna get busy for
three years. Yeah, I think. I think what should happen is on
the second night. Actually, Iwould prefer it on the first night,
just because I've become more custom withit being on Saturday nights. For some

(01:06:38):
reason, I just like it betterfor some reason, you know, for
whatever reason. I just I'm like, do you want to go to bed
on Sunday? Yeah? You know, And I don't know. It's just
so instead of having to go outto a party in Jam, you know,
just buy some beer, stay home, rolling up and just watch and
talk and talk to the TV.I think what it should be is big.
So you have Roman and Rock againstseth And and Cody. The titles

(01:07:01):
are if Rock and Roman win,then the bell goes to the Rock.
If Roll, if Seth and Codywin, the bell goes to Cody.
And then now you have these twothings, and then you can have then
you could do the same thing you'resaying, Rock against Cody right there,

(01:07:25):
and if Roman can you know,there's a bunch of other people not Roman,
not Rock against Cody, So Romanagainst Cody to get his title back,
and then you can have Seth andthere's a whole heap of other people
that that the Rock doesn't have tomess with. But he can still be
part of the Super the Super breadlineand come out and do you know like
every Super pay per view. Butthen Cody can go up against anybody,

(01:07:47):
because Cody or Seth can go upagainst anybody. Sorry, Seth can go
up against it. Yeah. Butthe beautiful thing is the way that they're
weaving the story. It is themost compelling TV they've done since since the
Attitude days. They they are theyare doing multi pronged stories that have so
many different layers and and part ofthe beauty of it now is Brian Gerwertz,

(01:08:12):
who's been The Rock's personal writer forwhat twenty years, he's he's lockstep
with the Rock on all of this. He's writing all this shit. He's
there, And he made a commentrecently in an interview where he said,
this story right now does not endat WrestleMania. This is chapter one of

(01:08:34):
a whole new book. Which iswhy I think this is gonna last a
long time. I just don't wantto I just don't want him to break.
I want him to keep the Bloodlinetogether, because they always break up.
They always break up good factions,you know, like they will keep
them together for Christ sometime, andthey'll evenm bring in. You're gonna see
new people join the Jacob Jacob Fattoois a free agent for one. I

(01:08:58):
think you see him join up.I think you see the Bloodline guy over
here. I think you see theBloodline have all of the belts at one
time. I think that they haveeverything and they're running rough shot over everybody.
And then what I think happens isthey lose the belts because of some
kind of screw up. Because youdon't need to have the fight between Roman

(01:09:18):
and the Rock in a year's time. You don't need to have a belt
involved for that, because they'll buildthe story of the family, and that'll
be the story. Right, thenCody can finish his story supposedly. I
don't think it happens at WrestleMania.I think that Cody's story should finish at
Madison Square Gardens because if we're talkingabout it, that's where his dad's story

(01:09:43):
ended. So that's where Cody's storyshould, like get pulling that one off,
right, barraid hidwell? Over here? What's that? You're Bubba Rai's
hidwell? That's been Bubba Ray Dudley'smantra for the last two months. He
has to finish the story at MadisonSquare got it. He has to finish
it since Square got it. That'sa it's a it's a great idea.
And if we're talking about your story, it doesn't have to happen even this

(01:10:06):
year. But I think that ifwe're talking about historical reference, absolutely that's
a cool place. But I don'tthink for a second that this story,
Cody's story is over at WrestleMania.No, because then what do you do?
No, I think you keep thefans around. Shouldn't he get at
least because the step up. Shouldn'the at least get the intercontinent because that's

(01:10:28):
where they could stretch it het becausehe hasn't had the Intercontinental champion since he
came back, So get that,and then you gotta win. No,
he's got to win Roman's belt atWrestleMania or he no longer has any credibility
as a babyface. I'm telling youhe's got to win it at WrestleMania.
He doesn't, he loses it.But not fair, Nah, you can't.

(01:10:49):
That was last year. You can'trepeat it. You can't. You
gotta do a remix. You gotto change the up. We just saw
that. They saw the same thinglast year's Royal Rumble too. He just
won Rumble two years in a row. But different. Cody win win against
Seth, fair and square, allthree matches. Yeah, but this is
one is where he loses, buthe gets he's supposed to win, but

(01:11:13):
he gets roughed up by the andhe loses. So he legitimately should have
won. But because he works againstif he works against Seth, if he
worked against Seth. But I thinkit's gonna be one on one with Roman.
He's gonna win the goddamn thing.And then we can see the seeds
start to fall in terms of thedissension and the power struggle, and it's

(01:11:34):
a year long struggle between the highchiefs and the tribal chief That's why I
think it's gonna happen. The fallwill be Empire. Here's the beautiful thing.
None of us know. We're allintrigued. I think, you know
what we should do because there isthis other show. There is this other
show called Live Audio Wrestling. Ithink we need to have a big round

(01:11:56):
table show. Have a big roundtable show over there sometime, have over
on that, just Johnnie on there. Absolutely, and just that's all we
do is just talk wrestling. Andas we get closer to WrestleMania, absolutely
for sure we'll do a live broadcaston Wrestleminga. We'll do Thatsten that.
Actually, what I was trying todo too, is that that free play.

(01:12:17):
Because my birthday is on the twentyseventh of March. I think WrestleMania
is on the April fourth. Sobecause I have the I don't know the
Sports Net Plus, so I haven'tsubscribed to it. I could just subscribe
it to all the TVs there haveit during at evening time, I come
watch, uh, come watch WrestleManiawith Sha Clear on his birthday type thing

(01:12:39):
and God, and they have allthe old school games there and everything like
that and all this other stuff.So yeah, I don't know. I
have to talk to the guy aboutit. But yeah, just I don't
know. I have to figure outthe legalities. If I could just go
and put my Sports Net Plus onall his TVs and everybody can just watch
it off my I don't think youcan. But we'll figure something out.
Yeah, we'll figure something out thatthat's not going to get the party shut
down. But you know what ifthis party's happened and we're going to be

(01:13:01):
there, cha Claire, listen,man, you've been wicked with your time.
It's been so much fun. Let'snot wait four years to do this
again. Okay, this is youknow, You're a lot of fun to
kick it with. And uh,listen. If people want to reach out
to you, if they want tosee what you're up to, where should
they look you up? Online?Online? You can look me up at

(01:13:23):
Chakra official for Instagram, chakleir Chisnokon Facebook, Chakclair on Facebook, and
chaclair on Twitter and chaclair official onYouTube. To check out all the stuff
that we post up and yeah,and I yeah, very interactive. So
I hit me up see what I'mup to. I might be in a

(01:13:45):
city near you real soon. Itis very interactive. Like I get responses
more more often from Santa than Ido from Maestro. But Shocks gets back
at Santa. Guy. Yeah,Santa gets at me. You'd be like,
what can I do for you?And and Maestro just leaves me on
red listen, Thank you so much, bro, and we'll talk suit.

(01:14:11):
Okay, all right, guys,you guys have a great one. Thanks
for having me on. And everybodyout there one love, one love,
see you soon. Wrestling, checkwhere it goes. It's the Knaka,
the chiz Raka, that is ChaClair, everybody, Notorious, tid Chris,
Tidwell, anything you want to throwout there before we wrap this bitch
up. No, it's been afantastic, fantastic night, and I just

(01:14:33):
uh, yeah, I'm looking forwardto this wrestling. I'm hyped again.
I'm HIPing. Yeah. It's likefor years, it's for years you have
to be a wrestling fan on thedown low because it was so bad.
Now it's like, oh it's funagain. Listen, I'm telling you,
we do this roundtable thing. Wehave him on there. It'll be a
lot of fun. We should doit. You can check out everything Tid

(01:14:59):
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Wrestling. You can also check outthe segment I'm doing for him called truth
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Yeah, if you want to haveyour say, email us info at Godfathersopodcasting
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(01:15:24):
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Okay, google it. Yeah,I probably got a MySpace. Still
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