Episode 173 with Karen Bliss

The Godfathers are back with another crazy episode.  This week they're joined by award winning music journalist, and President of the "No Donnies" club, Miss Karen Bliss.

Donnie, Tid and Karen have all known each other since the late 90s, and as you'd expect - the roasting just doesn't stop! 

Last Summer, Karen released an article that she worked on for 2 years exposing a music industry executive who had sexually assaulted multiple women.  The article is an incredible, and disturbing.  You can check it out here

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the Godfathers and Podcasting Nowin case Sheldon, Now, they've been
podcasting since before podcasting was even Paul. Podcasting. Archives of this show are
available on every major podcast provider,and you can find video archives, merch
and more on their website, Godfathersand Podcasting dot com. Now you're your
hosts. You guys have been broadcastingonline since nineteen ninety six. The Godfathers

(00:39):
are podcasting themselves. Donnie de Silvaand Kristin Well. Hello, Hello,
Hello, it is Thursday, Apriltwenty fifth, And like the introduction says,
my name is Donnie, and thatman right there next to me,
he is the Paul to my Ringo, the Gene Simmons to my Peter Chris.

(01:02):
He is the Bono to my AdamClayton. That is Chris Tidwell.
What's up? Well, I'm soglad you didn't say the Paul to your
Vin, because that would have beenway worse. I just took the lesser
of every supergroup I can think of, not Paul Walker, Vin Diesel.

(01:23):
I mean that didn't end well,I don't, I don't want to.
I don't want to go there either, did he? Oh Jesus has your
week been, my friend? Uh, one day at a time, Sweet
Jesus, one day at a time. Yeah, that sounds like you're just

(01:46):
that sounds like you're just coming togrips with the fact that you're closer to
the end of the ride. Well, I mean, aren't we all Yeah,
aren't we all just you know,floating around on this big flat earth
wondering what's going on with the birdsand why they're not real all that other
crazy wackiness. Oh my god.I actually it's so funny. He said

(02:07):
that somebody who I've known for along time, uh, posted something on
Instagram a week or two ago,and she literally said and I messaged her
and I said, you're joking,right, like, this is this is
a prank, This is a rip. She goes, no, She said

(02:29):
she is now one hund convinced thatthe conspiracy theory that seagulls are not real
and our government control drones to spyon civilians. And she said, the
evidence is you've never seen a babyseagull or a seagull egg, because they're

(02:50):
full grown adult drones. This isa person who I used to think was
really intelligent. And I said,you're ribbing me right, I'll go you
one step further. I'll go youone step further. None of the birds
are real. And when you seehim lined up on the electrical lines,
you know what I mean? Howthey all band on there? They're actually

(03:13):
recharging. That's that's the work.Yeah, No batteries are low. Yeah,
they're like the Teslas of the animals. Oh my god, unbelievable.

(03:36):
Speaking of Tesla, I saw agreat, a great retweet by former guest
on this show, comedian Rush Kazi. I don't remember who the original person
was, but she retweeted it andit was commenting on Elon Musk recently coming
out saying that we don't need lawsthat that insure accuracy in posts on social

(04:01):
media. So it says the postwas Elon Musk, dead at age fifty
five, says that we do notneed laws and insure accuracy on the internet.
I mean, could you imagine ifthere weren't laws about accuracy, our
guest this week would be in somuch trouble for stuff that she would come

(04:21):
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(10:11):
I'm not going to because she issuper high quality. Ladies and gentlemen.
It is time for the big Hello, and let's please bring her in.
She is a thespian head author,she's a TV host, a promoter,
and entrepreneur. She's a coffee lover, she's a live sports attender, and
of course she's a hell of awriter. For more than twenty five years,

(10:33):
she's been one of the top musicjournalists in the business. Who writes
for Billboard, but you've seen herwork in Rolling Stone, The Huffington Post,
The Toronto Starr, The Sun,the National Posts, and dozens of
others. She sat down and interviewedbasically everyone who's anyone in the music world,
Eminem Timberlake, Gwen Stefani, GanSimmons, Kurt Cobain, fifty Cent

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Iced Tea, Eddie Vedder, andhundreds and hundreds more. Into twenty ten,
she was involved in probably one ofthe coolest projects ever when she partnered
with Farley Flex and created an antianimated anti racism PSA called The Girl with
Pinhead Parents. It featured voiceover workfrom former NBA star Chris Bosh and iconic

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singers like Nellie Ertado, Julie blackLights, and others. In twenty twenty
three, she made massive headlines withher article about Adrian Strong, an executive
with a label who apparently used hisposition to lure and assault multiple women.
We will talk about that and moretonight with the woman who told me last

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time she was on this show ninetimes how ugly I am. I wasn't
counting because that'd be weird, butit was nine times, ladies and gentlemen.
I've got my notes written on mywrist in case you thought something was
a miss gotta come correct or shewill boo and hiss. She can talk
all that trash, but you knowI'll dismiss. Now do the year row,

(12:00):
double cheek kiss and give it upto the very talented miss Karen Bliss.
Very nice? Can I fact check? What did I miss so much
wrong? And what you said wasthere? Okay? I blame chat ChiPT.

(12:20):
I really hope you didn't use that. I thrown my name in there
just talking about that. Today itsays I interviewed David Bowie. Maybe one
day. You haven't interviewed David Bowie. No anyway, So let's go back.

(12:41):
So first of all, I lovehow you talked about girl within had
parents and talked about and others.Because let's just say for the record that
Gian Kameshi was the voice of theradio announcer and Jacob Hogart was one of

(13:01):
the co stars. So yeah,we don't talk about Bruno promoting that anymore.
That was before there, you know, the allegations and charges against them.
What else did you say Billboard?Yes, Rolling Stone, Yes,

(13:22):
I guess I wrote for helping someYou just picked a weird assortment. I'm
like, did I you could?Yeah, you contributed at some point or
another. I'm not saying you wereon all right, all right? You
could have asked and I would havewould have told you. So I have.
First of all, you put itout there that if we just say

(13:43):
what hat we want, So Iwant I want the one with the diamonds.
Oh yeah, No, I don'thave that for you, Karen.
I'm sorry you didn't put any restrictionson what you said. Don't make out
about false advertising. So I'll takethe one with the diamonds. I literally
said, of the ones I havehere, I literally said that I love

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how you did, and I'm boxingare you sixteen? Yes? You know
how right? You know? TimeI've ever done one first admire the box
five minutes. Look at the packaging. Oh, I love the packaging.
Look it's got letters on here.And then you turn it and then you

(14:26):
have to like, you know,did you go into the box? And
then oh, it's got tissue paper. This is so nice. I love
this tissue paper. And that's likeand I love the lofo with the Both
things are insane. And then youhave to hold up the product like this
against your plants. This is myfriend Karen Bliss, everyone who I've known
for almost thirty years. Every timewe talk, she just finds ways to

(14:50):
rip me apart. So, Karen, let me explain to you. My
child is almost twelve years old andall he likes to do is watch You
two, and he watches people playvideo games, and he watches unboxing videos.
So when I got these boxes,he's like, do an unboxing video.
And I'm like, what am Igonna do? Be a bad parent?

(15:11):
Because Karen Bliss is gonna get it'samusing. I'm gonna go it was
fun and all rats that this isshow number one seventy three, because I
think I was probably on show three. I think you were thirteen, episode

(15:33):
thirteen. I think you were onLucky thirteen. Yeah, not a human.
I see what's that You're down ahuman? Yes? Right, yes,
since the last time you were withus. Of course, our our
bro Danio was was the third memberof the cast, and Dan left to

(15:58):
focus on his new album. Ofcourse. The single that dropped a few
weeks ago is the new theme songof this show that played off the top
his song with Blessed like We,which is fan freakantastic. That song,
it's still getting rave reviews. AndDan just dropped another single. I think
it was like a week ago.Did he dropped a like the third single

(16:19):
off this album. Yeah, Andso that album is going to be dropping
on May tenth, called Vigilante,and pre orders are available on Dan hyphene
hypheno dot com. This like,it's amazing, Karen, And I'm sure
you see this all the time,and maybe this is a nice transition to
talk about your world. But Iwas having this conversation with Dan off air

(16:42):
and on air because he was onhere a couple of weeks ago talking about
that that new single and the upcomingalbum. This is a guy who literally
splashed on the music scene when hewas thirteen years old, winning a battle
rap competition on Electric Circus and beenputting out music ever since. And I

(17:03):
think now is the best he's everdone. Like the song like We that
he dropped with Blessed, I thinkis the best work of his entire career.
When do you see that happen?Like, can you think of other
examples off the top of your headof an artist who's you know, sort
of floated around and had their corefan base and then twenty twenty five,

(17:26):
almost thirty years into their career,it's like, holy shit, they just
they just hit a new gear.They just hit a new level in terms
of their creative ability. Like it'spretty wild. Yeah, I'm on a
quish show now, right, Wellyou are the music encyclopedia. Oh wow,
names I don't like, Okay,I don't know David Bowie. Yeah

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yeah, it's a unique thing,right, he's super talented. Yeah,
it's it's ridiculous. So I'm officiallystarting the I already message some friends that
that are involved with the Junos,and I'm starting the campaign get Dana Juno
because he deserves one. Man,think it works that way, but good

(18:21):
luck, I don't care. We'rewe're we're starting a campaign. They campaign
for Oscars. We are campaigning fora juno. That is what's happening.
Maybe they'll need a maybe they needa hat met the album. It fees
through a process, but you youdo you. I love the fact that

(18:42):
you only asked me to be onwhen someone's dropped out. I feel like,
like, not true, not truetoday Today you second by if someone
ditches you for a wedding. That'show I feel. That's how I feel
today. You are a last secondfill in. That is, you are

(19:03):
a last second fill in. However, if you remember, what's that character?
Who am I filling in for?You want me to you want me
to call the guy out specifically,but like the genre, like what area
he's a he's a broadcaster in theCity of Toronto, comedian and a broadcaster.

(19:29):
But your statement is not correct.I do not only contact you when
we're when we're stuck at the lastsecond. I can go through our messages
and I will pull out messages whereI said, hey, Karen, want
to join us on the podcast,and you're like, and ranly rather not?
How do you? How do youeven know that's my tone? It's
that's always your tone. Yeah,Karen's Karen's resting face emoji is the one

(19:56):
with the straight line for a mouth. It's just like, never impressed the
towing thing again that you're holding againstme for like all these years. And
that's why we have this report.I is that? Why? Is that?
Why this is our dynamic? Ithink so? Oh okay, yeah,

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For anyone who missed episode thirteen,we we shared the story that apparently
Karen Bliss had forgotten, which iswhen we were hanging out many moons ago.
I was I was still a teenagerby the way, and she was,
I don't know, in her latethirties or something nice and provisionist history

(20:44):
in their pow. We went touh, I can't remember. We went
the Horseshoe or the velvet teenager tothe Horseshoe in my yeah, well,
I was, I was legal toget in. I was nineteen, but
stuff. We went to one ofthose Sure, we went to one of
those spots to go see some livemusic or something, because that's what Karen

(21:07):
does. And I think I parkedsome spot on Queen Street and she told
me, and she told me,you were hounding me. When we worked
at virtually Canadian Iceberg Media, wherewe both did radio shows, and you
kept wanting to take me out.And now that's not true. Just desserts.

(21:30):
That's one hundred percent. That's onehundred percent fake news. If you
want to really throw it out there. What happened was I was single at
the time, and Strombolopolis and JeffMerrick were pushing you to go hang out
with me. I had nothing todo with it. I wasn't even part

(21:52):
of the conversation. I remember thatwhatsoever. Yeah, and I'm convinced that
you went. I think you wentand hung out with me, just so
was Trombolopolis would talk to you again. I don't even remember him anyway.
This is my friend Karen Bliss.Anyway, he got his car towed,
and apparently I traumatized him. That'swhat you know. It didn't traumatize me.

(22:17):
You were totally changing this story.I said that I was hears and
you were traumatized that you were outwith me. You didn't have money.
I remember that. I didn't knowthat and I had to lend you the
money to get your car out.Anyway, these are all true statements.
I was, I was nineteen yearsold. I had no money. Are

(22:38):
you kidding? I had nothing.I was a kid whose car it was
my car? Was this the samecar that you locked the keys in in
Montreal? Was this the same carthat broke down on the side of the
road on the way to golf nowthat you had to have your dad come
and pick you up. It's justthe same, are not that one?

(23:02):
Oh different? So there's a patterof funny cars, right, That was
a funny story too. Tid andI were this is going back to like
nineteen ninety six. It was oneof the first times he and I were
ever going out on the road tocut interviews together. And we're heading to
an event to go get some tape, and we're in my car because at

(23:23):
the time, Tid didn't even drive. He didn't have a car to break
down. So I had to drivemy Galoppi. That's right. So I
had to drive my Galoppe from Torontoout to the middle of nowhere in Gwelph,
and somewhere on Stone Road. Thecar overheated and broke down, and

(23:47):
neither one of us had a cellphone. There's nothing around us within walking
distance. I end up not knowingwhat to do. I walk for about
forty five minutes to the nearest Canadiantire, I call my dad who's in
Markham. He drives from Markham toGwelp For anyone not in the southern Ontario
area, that's a good hour anda half to two hour drive. An

(24:11):
hour and a half he makes thedrive out there and can't find us because
Gwelph has two roads called Stone Road. There's two different roads called Stone Road.
So he was in a compleat.He eventually found us, bailed us
out, and all he did waslaugh and then he and Tidwell thought it
was hilarious. And I'm sitting therethinking, great, we just missed all

(24:33):
these interviews that we were supposed toget. So yes, I suck with
cars. Are you guys happy?Can we move on now? Okay?
Ask anything? Bring it on,thank you, thank you. Yeah.
So listen, you are someone thatI feel like you're always is out doing

(25:02):
stuff, whether it's attending a livesporting event, whether it's at a live
concert. I'm curious to note atthis point of your life, how many
times are you outed at live concertand it's not work related. You're literally
just there to enjoy the music allthe time. I don't do concert reviews,
but I'm not out that much.It feels like you are. But

(25:26):
you don't do concert reviews anymore.But don't you do, Like, don't
you use that as as an opportunityto get some time with the artist or
something to that effect. No,what's that you want to enjoy live music,
which I've been doing since I wassick, And Seane, I love

(25:48):
that. She's just fucking stonewalling youall these answers. It's great going by
social media. I know it's good. This is such a train wreck.
I fucking love it. Karen.Hey, I just post a photo like
sitting on my couch and then peoplewon't think I'm out all the time,

(26:10):
like I could just like Monday,Tuesday, Wednesday on couch, couch,
couch, couch, couch, couch, couch, couch, black curls at
Massy, you know, Like,Okay, so here's the question. Then,
how often do you like to getcontent too? Right, because that's
your job? How often are youdo you have to leave home to be
able to do your job? Then? Okay, well, right now,

(26:33):
it's really tough. It's never beenharder for me as a music journalist in
this country, to the point whereI don't know if I'm going to continue,
because I cannot make an adult living. It's really very very hard,
especially in this country. No onewants to pay. We don't have enough
outlets. We've all disappeared. Iworked two years on a major investigation on

(27:02):
an alleged sexual predator in Canada.I did it for Billboard in America.
They were incredible. They had theirtwo lawyers, they got me a Canadian
lawyer. There was a lot ofwork. It was extremely stressful. It
was a huge learning experience, andit came out and I discovered that a

(27:22):
couple of people from the advertising worldhad licensed the name Billboard Canada and started
we're starting it up here and didn'twant me involved or contact me or that
kind of thing. So I kindof lost my gig there because they now

(27:44):
are handling the Canadian industry news,even though they don't have the same kind
of experience that I have had formany decades. So I lost that.
I lost writing for FI Music Newsbecause they BOUGHTPI Music News. I had
already lost my funding for Smariton magwhich was my online magazine about giving back,

(28:07):
so I lost that and now I'mreally like hustling. So it's you
know, not a great time tobe a music journalist. But I'm trying
and I'm hustling, and you know, people also have this view, like,
yes, I covered the Junos forVariety, but I'm not getting paid

(28:27):
two thousand dollars to cover the Junosfor Variety. I don't want to tell
you what I get paid, butit's not a lot. So you know,
I need to write twenty to thirtyarticles a month to make an adult
living. But people have this,you know, because you know, as
Donnie thinks I'm out like every night, when really I'm not. It's the

(28:49):
same with an article, like they'veseen it, so they're like, oh,
I saw your piece and such andsuch, I saw your piece in
here. So they maybe think it'smore regular or maybe I'm staff, or
they don't really understand how it works, right, But it's just one little
piece, you know. So that'sthe reality right now. Maybe you guys,

(29:10):
they if they hold on, ifthey don't, like, if they've
pushed you out of Billboard Canada,which apparently is a brand new thing,
where are they going, Like whatjournalists could they possibly be using that are
going to have more credibility? Andthat's a Word editor. He's a great

(29:33):
writer. He was at Now magazine. His work is great. But I'm
saying that I've been a trade writersince I was twenty, so I have
those relationships and people trust me,I think, and tell me things about
the industry, whether it's takeovers,signings, you know, other cool ventures.

(29:55):
And you don't know what you don'tknow. So you know, I'm
in constant contact with many of thesepeople because we've all come up together and
now they're managing some of the biggestacts in the world, you know,
or they are running the biggest companiesin Canada and sometimes in the industry,
and these are my pals, youknow. So again like you don't know

(30:22):
what you don't know. So yeah, they're covering stuff. Their pieces are
great, they're good writers. They'vegot some young writers, but it's not
there's a lot of industry stories thatare that are missing. I'm not going
to beg someone to hire me.There were many many people that said you
should hire her. Not high.I don't want a full time job at

(30:44):
one particular publication, but just likecontinue contributing. But that didn't happen,
so you know, eventually, I'mlike I got to figure it out myself,
right, So that's sort of whereI'm at right now, is this
is the changing landscape in music journalismdirectly connected to the changing landscape in music,

(31:12):
like how the economics of music havechanged so drastically. I mean it's
been happening slowly, right, buteverything became online, so the print publications
disappeared. The ad revenue wasn't theresupporting it. If you write for a

(31:32):
print publication, a legit, goodpublication, they will pay better, could
be a dollar a word. Ifyou're writing online, they don't pay as
much. You know, maybe twentyfive cents a word, thirty cents a
word if you're lucky, fifty centsa word, doesn't never very really buck
the word so or it's per pieceand there's no word count like that.

(31:55):
And yeah, a lot of themhave in America too. I like writing
about Canadians for Americans, you know, It's always been my thing. I
like, you know, to bringthem that exposure. And you know,
there's a big, big difference,Like I'm not talking about other kinds of
journalism in Canada. I'm talking aboutin the music world. Like I could

(32:20):
not have done the piece on AdrianStrong with the outlets and the people that
I worked for or worked for inCanada, I wouldn't have felt comfortable.
They wouldn't They don't have the experienceor the know how. It would have
been a disaster. They don't havethe money, they don't have the lawyers
they like. It just wouldn't haveworked. Scared, it wouldn't have been

(32:43):
done, you know, unless Idid it for a McClain's or a Toronto
Star, you know, but forthe music publications that I write for,
not a chance. They would havebeen too scared to touch it. Well,
they don't have the knowledge and theknow how. Like this was a
whole other level. This was realjournalism, something I'd never experienced. Like

(33:06):
I just interview musicians and you know, go to concerts for a living.
Like that is not a tough job, you know, to string some sentences
together, you know, based onan interview. But it's really tough sometimes
for me to string a sentence together. I mean, I'm just throwing it
out there. It's true, sinceyou since you made reference to the article,

(33:30):
to the to the to the piecethat you did, which by the
way, was incredible. The amountof work that went into it was amazing.
And you know how much I lovecomplimenting you not so much, but
it was excellent, excellent work.For anyone out there who has not seen
the piece, we will link itup on Godfathers of Podcasting dot com so
you can take a look at itin its entirety. But the piece talks

(33:54):
about Adrian Strong, who was aformer executive within the time. He was
the president of Right I'm saying todayformer Today's former Right. At the time,
he was an executive with with alabel and the radio tracking company would

(34:17):
you Like Nada with U? Sohe worked songs to m D Right.
He was a d MD. Sothe story goes on to say that there
was apparently a conversation between him anda female artist where he was promising to

(34:44):
help advance her career and this turnedinto a trip down to the United States
where apparently over the course of aday and a half or so, he
had her drugged, assaulted, itall sorts of of vile things to her.
And there is talk in the articleof a couple of other victims of

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this piece of human garbage. Whatwas the what was the what was the
motivation when you started this two yearjourney to put this piece together. Was
it because of the fact that Noirthe victim that was mentioned. Was it

(35:29):
because she came forward in this sortof me too statement and then you decided
to take action. Did someone approachyou and say I need your help?
What was the driving force between toget you started on this? The driving
force which she made a very bravepost on Instagram in November twenty nineteen.

(35:52):
It had many details in it.I didn't know who she was. I'd
known Adrian a couple of decades.I went through his Facebook. I found,
you know, some corroborating things likeHilton Head mentions Marriott mentioned. I
also found a status and this wasan allegation she may She said that this

(36:21):
had happened in two thousand and nine, so she was coming forward ten years
later. And so I found astatus where he had written new ars the
new Black oi R, which ishow she is an artist, that spelled
her name. That was the sameweekend she alleged that she was raped.
And anyway it was. It wasa very long process, and I tried

(36:46):
to get the story at that timefor Billboard. I couldn't. There was
some sabotage going on, and thenCOVID hit and he kept getting a lot
of work. He had major,major clients dead mouse the weekend, many
many others and people were still Ialso, i should say, had spoken

(37:08):
to another woman off the record whotold me her story, so I knew
there was something there. And anew or also was going to get the
documents from the police and the hospitalrecords, so you know, I knew
there was a story there. AndI just asked my editor if I could

(37:35):
try again because I didn't have anywork, and I just dove in and
I built the story from the Instagrampost. Did you receive threats? Did
you receive any threats to shut thisdown? No? Because I actually kept
it very quiet. I didn't tellanyone. I wanted to protect the women.

(37:55):
That was my number one priority allalong. Still and the only time
I was getting a bit scared wasa year ago now, actually, when
I reached out to him, whenthe lawyers had said, okay, this
is ready, now you have togo to him. We have a law
in Canada, the Responsible Journalism Act. And Kevin Donovan from the Star,

(38:19):
who has written extensively podcast books aboutSherman murder case, he was extremely helpful.
I did reach out to a numberof people for advice. Yeah,
So when I reached out to him, I was trying to get an interview
to get his side, and hekept delaying. So then I had to

(38:42):
send sort of this. You don'tsend the story, but you break it
down so it's you know, isKaren Bliss on The Godfather's podcast? Like
some are very basic, like youcan answer that, you know. Ultimately,
it didn't really answer any of thequestions, but it was like going

(39:04):
on and on and on. Butit was a scary time. It was
a pretty scary time when you weredoing the story. Were you ever worried
that there was going to be anykind of blowback onto you after this all
came out? Because obviously it's verysecretive, and you know what I mean,
And this is a person who's insideof the industry that you're in as

(39:25):
well, inside of that music industry. Was there you know what I mean?
Was there ever any kind of manyou have, you know, any
fear on that end for you?Absolutely? I said it a number of
times to my editors, this mightkill my career. I'm well aware of
it. Honestly, I couldn't notdo the story, Like, there's no

(39:49):
way I could continue on in lifeor even as a journalist, and not
pursue the story because I belie leavethe women. You know, maybe I
shouldn't say that as a journalist,but I believe the women and their stories
were consistent. The women did notknow each other. There were patterns,

(40:13):
not patterns with all the women,but like maybe with two of the women
and not the two, like somekind of corroborating types of things. And
you know, he had every rightto answer every question. He had a
lawyer. He did send his evidence, and I put it all in the

(40:35):
article. Everything he sent us isin the article. So he told his
side. I told the women's side. People can make up their own minds,
but I couldn't not do it.And I'm you know, if I
don't know if that's why what's happeningwith me career wise is happening. I

(40:55):
don't think so. I think it'sjust a coincidence. I know that there
are some parties that are that Ihave kind of been persona non grata.
I don't care because I know I'mright. You know, was there anything
Was there anything in the material thatAdrian Strong and his team of you know,

(41:20):
attorneys, Was there anything they suppliedyou with or supplied your legal support
with that gave you pause and said, maybe he's not completely lying, Maybe
there's something here or was there?What was none of his evidence exonerating him
in any way, shape or form. It's in the article, so you

(41:40):
can I'm just asking your opinion.All I have to say is that Billboard
is a major US outlet with Penskehas a legal team. Billboard has legal
They got me a Canadian top toplawyer recommended by by Kevin Donovan, and

(42:05):
they went through the article, everysingle line, every line, every word,
and they went back to me dozensof times. Get this, get
that? What does this mean?Do you have this? Can you corroborate
that? And they would not haveprinted it. He's not a big star,
it's Canada. They would have killedthe story. Like you know,

(42:30):
they're not going to jeopardize they're youknow, uh, integrity for me for
this story. You know, it'snot like some big artists. So they
stood by me, you know,through a lot, and I can't thank

(42:52):
them enough. They are the toptop in the business and I wouldn't have
been able to do it here.How long How long is that process from
the time that you finished that article, you turn it into them, and
then they go back and forth,back and forth. How long is it
before that article actually comes out?It was very frustrating. But I don't

(43:15):
turn it in like that. Youknow, we use Google docs. There's
you know, questions in the margin, me going back, maybe them changing
something and ME going no, that'snot how it worked because I was using
very specific words because I was theconduit for the women. So they are

(43:39):
telling me the story. I knowthose stories. I know every every everything
that happened that they allege. It'salmost like you have PTSD as a woman
hearing women tell these stories and overand over again. I feel like I

(43:59):
was there. I know those stories, so I'm the one that can read
the story and when there's a change, I can say, no, that's
not what happened, you know,And yeah, it took a very long
time. There's things not in thepiece. There's corroboration I had to get

(44:19):
or the women had to get,you know, their friends, the some
like it's you have with a piecelike this, what's very important is that
you speak to someone. The corroborationis a person they told at that time,
so it's not someone telling like sayinglike, oh, yeah, he
did this thirteen years ago. It'sno, I was just there, and

(44:45):
they call their roommate, they telltheir cousin, they tell you know,
a parent, you know, acoworker. So I had to get all
that. I had to get thedocuments. You know, you look at
any hospital record or police record andit's you know, you've had prescriptions and

(45:07):
you're like, what on earth doesthat even say? You know, like
she Nuir went through a lot.It was a different time as she was
not treated very well, and youcan kind of see that in the documentation
of what they thought. She's avery highly intelligent person. She's quite eccentric,

(45:34):
very talkative, and she also wouldcome right out and say he's Jabba
the Hut, I'm Princess Leiah,you know like that. Those types of
comments, I guess weren't favorable toher in the eyes of the of the
I'm assuming the police officers, youknow, they felt that she had a

(46:00):
high opinion of herself that has nobearing at all, and what she alleges
happened, it should have been investigated, but they didn't think that the case
could be prosecuted. There's also ajurisdiction issue because she's from here, he's

(46:20):
from here. It had in America. She came back here. She went
to you know, the Ottawa hospital, she went to the Peel Police.
She didn't go in Charleston. Youknow that that's a mess. I don't
know how you navigate through that.Maybe they can't be bothered, maybe,
like you know, I can't answerfor them from thirteen years ago. What

(46:44):
I can say is she has beenconsistent with her story. His name is
throughout those documents, and it's similar. They wrote down some things that I
feel were incorrect. Maybe they weren'tpaying attention or they misunderstood, but it's

(47:06):
very hard to lie and maintain alie ten years later, thirteen years later.
It's actually not really possible because itnever happens. So it's not in
your conscience to regurgitate those same typesof the details. But all the women
have, so you know, youdon't forget. I imagine something like that,

(47:30):
like they when you're drugged. Yes, you're in and out, and
that's accepted. But what I've cometo understand is certain things are very prominent
and other things are not. Youknow, I think it's just a different
time now. That. Look,there's no statutal limitations in Canada, but

(47:57):
yeah, be really brave to putyourself through something like that. If I
remember correctly when I read the piece, because I read it when it first
came out. I read it twicewhen it first came out because I was
so blown away by it. Obviously, Noir is the focus of the piece.
And there's references to I believe twoother women that were not named.

(48:20):
Were there others that you spoke tothat were not part of this piece?
There were threads like I spoke to, It's referenced in a couple of paragraphs,
Like I spoke to some men whowere either friends of women that had
kind of stepped in to help orrescue their friends female. So there were

(48:46):
some things like that, and Iyou know, I had about one hundred
messages today I had. I wasat a music conference sitting at a table,
and someone I know in the industrysaid, Oh, I want to
tell you thank you for doing thatpiece. That happens almost weekly anytime I'm

(49:07):
in an industry setting, at leastone person will bring it up. And
it came out last July, lateJuly. Look, I'm glad I did
it. I'm glad he's no longerworking in the industry given the time span

(49:30):
all these allegations and how long it'sbeen going on, you know, I
don't know, it scares me alittle bit, right Well, the interesting
thing here is this is a personwho, like you said, he was
in the music industry for decades.Now, if you google his name,

(49:53):
you can't. You can't find anythingthat doesn't refer to your story, right,
Like, his name is forever nowlinked to this expose, which is
great, but also the article hewould go on dating sites. His real

(50:14):
name, which I did not know, is Nicholas Okay, and these women
met him as Nicholas. Look,I don't know, like he's been removed
from one industry where there's easy accessto young girls, industry that is perceived
to be very difficult to break in. But that doesn't mean there's not a

(50:38):
whole other world out there of justyou know, women on dating sites you
mentioned earlier. Sorry, I wasjust going to ask you mentioned earlier when
we were talking about your your animatedpiece Shiankomeshi, And obviously he had allegations
against him and was canceled from thepublic eye as a result of those allegations,

(51:00):
which for some miracle of legal threemonty uh, you know three three
shell monte uh. He was notconvicted on those charges. However, that's
because and it's very complicated in someof these situations, because there's a power

(51:24):
dynamic, right. There still beadmiration for someone depending on you know,
how you met, and there's alsosometimes a fear. Maybe the person has
photos or videos and you don't wantthem to get out. So maybe there
is an alleged assault, but thenyou maintain contact with that person. It

(51:51):
can be it's almost like a Ithink they call it a trauma bond.
Uh. There's so many implicated elementsto these types of things, and that
figured into why he wasn't ultimately convicted, right, Like I don't know if
you remember, but there were someemails where I forgot what they said,

(52:14):
but that it was, you know, the flattering emails to him after the
alleged assaults. But you know,I still get men typically saying to me,
why are there no charges? Whythey're no charges? If there's no
charges, you know, I don'tbelieve it. Like let's see if the

(52:37):
charges, that was the next thingI wanted to That was the next thing
I wanted to ask you about wasthe negative feedback. Well, just also
like you know why you wait tocome forward or you know there's they're outrageous.
Yeah, it's all the typical things, right, like they don't I

(53:00):
understand why someone In Nuar's case,it was that weekend she never talked to
him again. He actually phoned herand she contacted the police and in the
report, the police report, itsays that the officer was going to go
talk to him. Now I can'tfind out if that ever happened. Believe

(53:21):
me, I tried, but therewere no charges. So a lot of
the information is redacted to protect him. So I don't know if he was
ever spoken to. I assume sobecause his name is Nicholas in the reports
often like it said Adrian as well, but it also had like it was
redacted, like his birthday and addressor something, but his name's still in

(53:45):
there. And uh yeah, soI don't know. Yeah, I know
Tid wants to jump in, butlet me just make this quick point because
when I was when we were gettingready to do this today, I googled,
just out of curiosity to see whatis what is jianggo MESHI up to

(54:07):
these days. Can I even findhim online? And I got to tell
you, Bliss, I was socreeped out when I looked on Instagram and
I saw current posts of him sittingin a studio. I don't know if
it's a podcast or what the hellhe's doing, and he's surrounded by young
women that are working with him orfor him, and I'm like, wow,

(54:30):
is what is going on? Liketo me, this is insane after
everything that came out about this guy, and it just makes me think,
God, whatever comes of this movingforward, I just hope that this Adrian
Nicholas, whatever the fuck his nameis, I hope he's just never in
a situation where he can continue todo this type of shit and get away

(54:54):
with it. Sorry, Tod,I know you wanted to jump in,
and I cut you off before gethired by as I understand it, the
Persian I don't know if this isthe right word for it, but like
Persian as diaspora, and he's doinga podcast for that community, okay,
as far for as far as Iknow. And there were definitely like some

(55:15):
divided views on his situation. I'mnot sure why, and same with Adrian,
because there have not been charges andthe allegations that you are made are
pretty instant. You can't get anycrazier than you know, he drugged me,

(55:37):
He confined me to a hotel roomfor eighteen hours, He raped me,
and he scalped me. Like that'swhat she's saying, right, And
as far as the scalping, Ido have to say that originally, like
it was in the story. I'veseen the photo. My editor in La

(55:58):
saw it, but we don't.We can't say for sure when she got
that. And that was what happenedat the very end before the article came
out, you know, I wastold like how it's not in the hospital
records and I had to call newOr and say, we might not be
able to put that in because it'snot in the hospital records. She's like,

(56:19):
yes it is, and I go, it's not. I have those
forty pages. I have read them. It is not there. And she's
like, yeah, yeah it is. Okay, download genius scan. She
downloads Genius Scan. She sends methis one pager it's from well thirteen years

(56:40):
ago now private like notes from hersocial worker who I did contact, and
it said, you know it's inthe article actually, like Adrian Strong,
like who he's scalped, Like it'sthere, and it was like I was
in a cold case. I waslike in my head, I was like,

(57:00):
oh my god, because that wasthe piece that's so horrific that I
didn't have the actual corroboration for inthe documents I had, so I sent
them to the lawyers and the editors, and that's why it's in there.
Like everything. Those lawyers they're notgoing to let anything go in that I

(57:21):
haven't backed, and I don't havethese free thoughts the correspondence the person to
back up what the person said.Like, I don't think people really understand
what goes into American journalism. They'reso full of this nonsense that Trump like
says like fake pass. It drivesme nuts because I know, even for

(57:45):
shorter pieces, what I have todo and how much operation and fact checking
these outlets New York Times, WashingtonPosts, LA Times, New Yorker Billboard,
there's like ethics, there's lawyers,like we don't just wake up and

(58:05):
write whatever we want. I know, that's the refrain in the world.
It's just not reality. People don'tunderstand how it works in journalism, like
you cannot do that these lawyers workedto protect me and to protect them.
That's what these lawyers were for.So I don't get sued and they don't
get sued that every long that thiswas done for human interest, to protect

(58:31):
the public, republic safety, andevery sentence has been like it's as locked
as it can be. Like Ihave what I perceived to be evidence and
backing it up, and I don'twant I get nothing out of this.

(58:51):
I don't want to spend two yearsof my life investigating or led sexual predator.
I want to go to concerts andinterview people about songwriting. Like this
is like I have new respect forreal investigative journalists, the people on around,
the people that go to war zone, the people that go to murders

(59:13):
for cops and what they hear andwhat they see and what they have to
get out of, you know,potential suspects and the photos they see.
I'm not surprised that when I'm watchinglike a dateline or forty eight hours,
that officer says, this is mylast case. I retired because it's in

(59:37):
your brain and I'm not doing itfor personal game. There is no personal
gain, So I know, ifanything, it's if anything it's the opposite,
right, Instead of personal game,you're getting attacked publicly because, as
you referenced, the the the attackon the media over the last four to

(59:59):
six years between Trump and the conspiracytheorists around COVID that just believed that the
media is just this is just thiscouple of people that come up with a
theory, that with a plan,and then they just spew it out there
to make the puppets dance like it'sso asinine what people actually think. I'm

(01:00:20):
sorry, Tod, you've been cutoff twice. Go ahead, No,
My my question is what's stopping you, though, Karen, from taking like
these stories that you have now andothers. There's plenty of other ones like
that that we know about it.But what's stopping you from writing a fictional
book so to speak? I probablycould. I probably could. I mean,

(01:00:49):
it sounds like you kind of gota couple of minutes on your hand
here, if you know. Look, I just watched One Order Toronto.
I don't know if you just sawthe most recent episode, but I saw
your post about it. Yeah,all right, that is very Jianne Umeshi
esque. Well, that's one thingI've always said about all of those shows
is when you watch them, youcan you can literally go and go,

(01:01:13):
oh. The story they're using thisweek is completely something that I just heard
about in the news a couple ofmonths ago. Yeah, rip from the
headlines, but that was very I'mlike, all right, well, that
could be a adrianesque type of story. It could be a jan you know
type of story. Yeah, Idon't know what I'm gonna do next those

(01:01:37):
types of things. That's a lotof work, you know, I'd have
to have someone come to me andsay they want it, the me just
doing it. Aside from aside fromwhat Tit and I do here on the
Godfathers of podcasting, you know thatboth of us have been involved in the
wrestling world for a long time,and we're both involved with with other projects,

(01:02:00):
other shows that are wrestling related.And one of the stories, I
don't know how much you know aboutthis story, Bliss, but it's been
in the news now for what tedalmost three years, surrounding the former chairman,
the former owner of WWE, VinceMcMahon, And initially it started off

(01:02:22):
with stories of infidelity and women thathe had paid to stay quiet. And
it started off with stories of womenthat he may have assaulted. And then
there was actually an FBI level investigationwhere they said, yes, they found
that he had paid some people offwith hush money and had NDA signed,

(01:02:43):
but there was no evidence of anysort of impropriety. There was no evidence
of any sort of like wrongful doingon his part. And then this news
story came out a couple months agoabout his former assistant who apparently he was
sexually harassing for the better part oftwo years, gang raping, you know,

(01:03:07):
doing all sorts of foul things toher. And it's unbelievable to me
that and like, when you seesome of the evidence, text messages and
the claims that are out there,you go, well, this is indefensible,
right, Like, this is indefensible. And I think that's the reason
why the board of directors at TKO, the company that now owns the wwe

(01:03:30):
said yeah, goodbye, Vince,you have to go now right, You're
not affiliated with us anymore, goodbye, because they saw the evidence and they
realized it's indefensible. But the amountof fans that come up and say shit,
like, well, why are therewhy is this a civil case and
not a criminal case. Why isshe going after a payoff and not jail

(01:03:52):
time. And for the record,based on what I've read of the allegations
and what I've heard whispers about theman for decades, I one hundred believe
all of the allegations. But doesit give you America. I'm not sure

(01:04:13):
if it's state by state, butwe are very fortunate in Canada that we
have no statute or limitations on crime. Right. No, it's not the
same in America, so that couldbe it. Sometimes also, as we
saw with the oj thing, sometimesit's better to go for the civil case
first because then the kind of aretrapped, you know, speaking whatever he

(01:04:39):
might say. Actually, sorry,that happened with Cosby, right, So
the civil case came first because hewas talking about uh, didn't start talking
about drugging people in the civil case, and then of course that was used
I believe in the criminal case.So you know, there's all sorts of

(01:04:59):
re It's a tough thing. Sometimespeople want to put it behind them,
you know, the court of publicopinion in the world of social media,
whether it's whether it's you know this, uh, Nicholas Adrian Strong, whether
it's Vince McMahon, whether it's Harvey, whether it's whoever right. It's like

(01:05:21):
the court of public opinion. Theyall weigh in and everyone is either outraged
or they're a non believer. Fora week, then nobody gives a shit,
right, And I know that inthe story, in the case of
like the story that you wrote,you're still getting people that are in the

(01:05:42):
industry or connected to the industry whoare coming forward and saying, hey,
great job. And by the way, I know someone else who is affected
or because they have a personal connection. But for the most part, like
the twenty four hour news cycle thatwe've been living in, it feels like
it's turned into a five minute newscycle. Like big stories like this don't

(01:06:03):
seem to hold traction as long asthey should anymore. Weinstein's case conviction was
actually overturned today, by the way, I did not see that, Are
you kidding? Yeah, But there'sstill the charges or the conviction in California.
But anyway, besides that, theseindividual stories might you know, come

(01:06:29):
and go because obviously people have livesand they have no connection. What doesn't
go away is how you respond tothem. So it grows and it becomes
kind of a lesson. It becomesa lesson on what to do within your
own community, within your own company. Maybe you're you work at a bigger

(01:06:51):
company, maybe you're starting a smallercompany, and you can have kind of
zero tolerance or have your h areand you put someone on leave and you
do an investigation. You can haveprotections like in the music festival world,
you have a security person down thatweird you know, corner by the trees

(01:07:16):
out in a music festival, youhave someone at your venue knocking on that
dressing room door every fifteen minutes tocheck what's going on if you see,
you know, young girls going inthere. You take responsibility as a club
owner or a manager, you know, or a staff member, and you

(01:07:40):
don't have this view of like,oh that's the artist, We're going to
let them do what they want.You go in everything, okay, are
you okay? We have to takepersonal responsibility, you know. I got
to say, I was just ata music conference today and as I was
walking out of the Stacked Market,there's a pop up there but it's Laurel

(01:08:03):
and I saw this actually a tipthat they had and there was like a
lineup down the street for an hourbecause they're giving free products if you go
through it and it's I forget theactual campaign name, but it's how to
identify sexual harassment. And there's suchit's a video kind of thing and you
go through, like it says,is this sexual harassment? Is this sexual

(01:08:25):
harassment? And it's basically some guycoming up to a girl right behind them,
you know, and like maybe whisperingor going behind them or walking really
super close or whatever it is,and yeah, that's sexual harassment. Actually,
you can't be a creep, youknow. So all those things that
like I grew up and the itwas okay for guys to do that,

(01:08:49):
like pinch your bomb as you're walkingby, or you know, all those
types of things. Yeah, that'sactual sexual harassment. Believe it or not,
don't do it. So let meask you this. Then, let
me ask you this, because that'sa really great distinction. And I think
a lot of people out there,if you've never worked in the corporate world,
if you're not exposed to all ofthis training that happens on a regular

(01:09:13):
basis on what is and what isnot sexual harassment, I think a lot
of people aren't aware, right,and they'll like guys will say things like,
oh, I was just being friendly. I was just being this or
that, and it's sexual harassment bydefinition. So let me ask you this.
Going through your personal experiences in yourcareer, I find it really challenging

(01:09:39):
to wrap my head around the factthat you haven't been sexually harassed repeatedly by
rock stars and musicians and whatever thatmust have been happening all the time.
I've been very fortunate. I've hadsome amazing male mentors and people I trust
and value. I've had some creepsdo creepy stuff, you know. I've

(01:10:08):
also done stupid stuff in my teens. I remember being overseas and arriving in
a city with a friend and Iwas frustrated because she was talking to an
old boyfriend of hers and I wasjust getting bored and I went walking by
myself and I got lost, andthis guy came along and said he would

(01:10:30):
show me where the hotel was,and like then an hour we're still walking,
and like, you know, I'mlike sixteen seventeen, and you know,
nothing happened. Like he was tryingto force me to whatever, but
like I it was fine. I'vealso gotten in cars with strangers, like

(01:10:54):
guys, and I met at whatever. I did this all when I was
a teenager. I'm like, man, yeah, like what was I thinking?
And fortunately I'm fine. I don'thave any traumatic experiences, fortunately,
but I fully understand that many manywomen do and there are many creeps out

(01:11:19):
there, whether it's psiking someone's drinkor you know. Also, do not
if you are walking home on asdark street, don't walk behind a girl.
Just be courteous, you know,try put yourself in their position.
You know, if they're walking offmy help across the street, don't be

(01:11:45):
like walking behind them at midnight.I was in my early twenties when someone
taught me that lesson longtime front ofthe show. I remember in the old
days when Tit and I used towork at a downtown Toronto nightclub to get
other there was times when we wouldleave the club and it's like three o'clock
in the morning or something like that, and you know, you've had a

(01:12:05):
couple of drinks, so you're notabout to get in a car and you're
walking to someone's house for a gettogether. You're walking somewhere to have a
bite to eat. And I remembera friend of mine and he says to
me, hey, let's cross theroad. And I'm like why, because
there's two girls walking in front ofus, and I'm like, so,
I didn't get it, And thenhe like explains it to me after we

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crossed the road and says, they'regonna think that we're trying to do something,
especially you lurch, you know,like, and he's like, you
cast a large shadow. That's scaryto a girl, Like I never thought
of that. It never dawned onme. I often when I go on
Budweiser stage, I part outside theDufferent gates and I'm usually with someone and

(01:12:56):
we walked through. It's just easierand getting stuck on the lake shark coming
out of that venue and then we'lljust walk through. So I did it
by myself meet someone at a show, not thinking that, oh it's light
when I arrive. When I comeback, I'm walking fifteen minutes through the

(01:13:17):
empty CNE grounds and there's lesson lessvolume of people and it's dark and these
guys are in a car talking tome but the window down. I don't
know if they want a direction.I don't even know what, but I
was like scared shitless, like,don't do that, you know, I

(01:13:40):
don't know what they wanted, butwhy would you do that, you know,
like, if it's innocent, don'tdrive up to a woman walking by
herself through this desolate, dark area, which I should not have been doing,
but I didn't think it was goingto be like that and ask for

(01:14:00):
directions. You know, men arestupid. I apologize all. We're all
of that same kind of age wherewhen we were kids, we would do
things like hitchhike. We would dothings like walk a lot of places without
listen. I've been cruised, I'vewatched cars when I was younger go by

(01:14:21):
this way, turn around, goback this way, come back, and
go up and down and then eventuallystop alongside of you. And you know
that was me. That was Itwasn't you, trust me, It was
me personally. I can personally tellyou about a story where I was at
a rap party for a TV showand one of the female cast afterwards,

(01:14:45):
very prominent figure, not out inanybody, decided decided that she wanted to
take a better look at the tattooon my back in the middle of the
party, literally started to taking myshirt off during this party. But as
a guy, a large dude,right, I've got to stand there and

(01:15:09):
be like, ah, this iscute. This is fun, you know
what I mean. So, Imean it's a it's a wild world we
live in, Karen. I meanclearly that stuck with you, right that
happened, Yeah, absolutely right.So well we can talk about this stuff

(01:15:29):
forever. I think, you know, it's unbelievable. Yeah, like I
thought we were just going to sithere and you know, talk about what
concerts. I thought we were justgoing to keep roasting each other. He
didn't called me ugly once this weekabout saying I was like, I've never

(01:15:51):
called you ugly, not not inso many words. But the last time
you were on this show, youliterally you literally said you wish I was
wearing you wish I was wearing anN ninety five mask so you wouldn't have
to look at me. Okay,that's just an opportunity. That's not real.
It's not I told him he should. I told him he should take

(01:16:12):
that bag and put it over hishead earlier on this show alone. You
should do the unboxing then put thebox on. Anyway. Yeah, that's
just called an opportunity that you walkedright into. I'm never offended, so
I don't care. I'll you knowwhat on that when the next person that

(01:16:35):
drops out just hit me up.You know, as I've learned from my
nearly thirty year friendship with my husband. No, no, with I'm talking
about my my husband. Okay,Yeah, as I've learned from my relationship
with him, you only roast theones you love. So I'm not offended.

(01:16:58):
Because if you're if you're hosting someonethat you actually can't stand, you're
probably gonna get punched in the face. Nah, who's gonna punch me in
the face. I mean, itdoesn't mean i'd live to tell about it,
but I'd still punch you in theface. Well I can't. I

(01:17:19):
know, you'd have to jump upon a chair. Listen, bliss.
Yeah, it's been too it's beentoo long since we've done this. And
as much as we goof on eachother, I want you to know because
I did not reach out and saythis to you personally because I was thinking
that you were getting slammed with withfeedback. I was blown away by the

(01:17:41):
work you did on the strong piece. It was fantastic. That is a
that is a a career hallmark.That is definitely a career standout moment.
You know, that is something thatpeople will be talking about for years and
years and years, and you shouldbe extremely proud. I'm sure that you

(01:18:01):
are, but I was blown awayby the amount of work that went into
that. Appreciate it. It wasvery, very long, and it's a
hard read and trigger warning for anyonethat is going to read it. It's
extremely difficult read. But it's extremelypowerful and it's something that everyone should check
out. Like I said, we'llput a link to the article up on

(01:18:24):
Godfather's a podcasting dot com and everybodycan go check it out if they haven't
seen it already. Bliss appreciate it. Man, Where are you going to
be next? You go into aJay's game, you go to a rock
concert? Where are you going?I came on here to say is that
I was hoping one of you wouldtake me to a Leaf's game before we're

(01:18:47):
so get that. There's only acouple of opportunities. You don't want it
to be me. I'm a Bruinsfan. There is not one Toronto team
the tid box, not one.Hmmm, No, there isn't. That

(01:19:08):
saddens me, no, but yeah, if you're not going to get me
the diamond encrusted hat, then takeme to a Leafs game. They both
cost about the slame. I thinkI think the diamond and gold hat would
be cheaper, might say, andif I find around boxing and see if

(01:19:32):
you did it properly, if youbow, you don't see that. You
don't see that part. It washeavily edited because the original video you're like,
look, it's in this box,and they've got the writing that helps.
What the only part about Look,the only part about the box is
they put my damn name on thebox. Right, that's really like it's

(01:19:56):
embossed, Like that's really cool.Nice, Right? They sent like four
of them. The other ones Ithrew in the garbage, but I'm keeping
one, you gotta. I wish. I wish it was like one of
those black boxes you find on anairplane. And the only reason we would
have found it is because you crashed. Whoa wow wow. The second he

(01:20:17):
started his sentence, I knew Iwas about to be fucking eviscerated. And
I'm here for it. I'm herefor it, all right, all right,
thanks miss Bliss. Let's do thisagain. Let's do this again sooner.
Okay, let's not wait another onehundred and twenty something episodes. Yeah,

(01:20:40):
okay, all right, I don'tknow. Whatever it was, we'll
talk later. There she goes everybodyKaren Bliss, music journalist, investigative journalist
looking for leaf tickets. If youwant to take Karen Bliss to a playoff
game, email us info at Godfather'sa podcast dot com and you got a
date waiting for you. What isit with all of you virtually Canadian people

(01:21:04):
looking for handouts? You're one ofus. I know, but I don't.
I mean, come on now,jeez. We literally had a conversation
last week about when was the lasttime you paid to go to an event?
You don't pay for anything. Youget freebies everywhere too. Yeah,

(01:21:25):
or I don't go, or youdon't go exactly, that's fair. I
usually don't go. That's the realityof it. Coming up this weekend,
you can hear TID on Live AudioWrestling. I will be on Sunday Night's
main event this Sunday. I hada chance this week to sit down and
do a one on one interview withBushwhacker Luke Williams. You talked about a

(01:21:50):
man Tid with over sixty years inthe wrestling business. He's seventy eight years
old and his mind is still arpis attack his memory is better than mine,
and he's unbelievable. He's got greatstories, just a wonderful guy to
talk to. It's been years sinceI had a chance to sit down and

(01:22:12):
chat with Luke. A lot offun. What do you have coming up
on your show this week? Yeah, later earlier, I mean Luke's name
came up when I was talking toCowboy Mike Hughes and we were talking about
how Luke was the booker at thetime that he was down there in Puerto
Rico. Puerto Rico, who's beenaround for a long time, and I
mean, if you know anything aboutthe sheep herders, you know how crazy
they were when they were younger,and how over they were, you know,

(01:22:33):
when they became the bushwhackers and inthe ww or WWF at the time.
So that should be a great listen. Absolutely take a listen to that
one. We've got some stuff comingup. We've got a few surprises.
I don't even know who's going upthis week and this weekend, to be
honest with you, because we've gota few few that we're trying to get
through in that. But you know, you can always check it out.

(01:22:54):
Go over to the Law Live AudioWrestling. Check it out. Go to
Sunday Night's Men event. Check allof that stuff out. I mean,
it's a good time to be usif you're in the Greater Toronto area.
On Friday, April twenty sixth,I will be at Super Kicked Pro Wrestling

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on Queen Street West at the GreatHall. Great show that's going to feature
No Time, Eric Young, longtimefront of this show. He will be
in the main event. Who wasjust on the Law. He was just
on the Law like a week ortwo ago, so he will be in
the main event of that show.Tomorrow night. Frey Miguel from TNA former

(01:23:39):
X Division champion, he will bethere as well, taking on NWA women's
wrestler Taylor Rising in that intergender match. There's all sorts of talent on this
show as well as a lot ofthe standouts from Super Kicked Wrestling, So
go check it out. It's goingto be a really good time. If
you've never been to a Superkick show, It's like Ron Hutchinson was at the

(01:24:03):
last one. Ron Hutchison, ofcourse, the man who trained Edge and
Christian and Tris Stratus and so manyothers, and he had never been to
a Super kick show. He wasat the last one and he said,
oh, now I get it.A rock show. That's a wrestling show.
Like it is loud and it isjust intense emotion. This is not

(01:24:26):
like a show that you go andsit down in a chair with the kids
and you just go, oh,that was good. Like this is a
rowdy, crazy environment and it's somuch fun. So if you want to
check it out, they're at theGreat Hall Friday, April twenty sixth.
That's awesome. I remember when itwas called Ring and Ears and I did
it. I was at those shows. Those were a good time. The

(01:24:55):
opera house is never the same.It's been a lot of fun. Tip.
We got to wrap this up becausewe are way over time. But
to everyone out there, thanks forhanging out with us all. As always,
you can email us info at Godfather'son podcasting dot com, or you
can send us a text message forthree seven three seven five two thousand.
You can look up TID on allsocials at Notorious Tid. You can find

(01:25:16):
me on Instagram. Uh, itsays at godfather Donnie, but that's incorrect.
That's my old handle. It's actuallyat Donnie dot da Silva. I
just realized that's been on there allepisode and that's wrong. Better it's at
Donnie dot da Silva. Thanks everyone, we'll see you next time. Fuck

(01:25:40):
this share. I'm mount. Fuckthis share. I'm mount. No thanks,
don't momy. I'm gonna just grabmyself. Please excuse me. Please,
fuck this share. I'm mount.Help fuck this share. I'm mouth
all right then, I don't knowwhat the fuck just happened, but I
don't really kay, I'm gonna getthe of the patty he is inno