Episode 176 with Dr Cliff Redford

This week's guest is a very different one for The Godfathers Of Podcasting!  He's not a pro athlete or comedian or musician or even an actor.  He's a doctor.  But not just ANY doctor ... he's a veterinarian that has his own clinic in Toronto, and travels the world saving animals everywhere.  His name is Dr Cliff Redford, and he's made appearances on many news programs, talk shows and now he's here with The Godfathers.

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Episode Transcript

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You guys have been broadcasting online sincenineteen ninety six. The Godfathers are podcasting
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like the ladies pets. I'm Donnieand my partner feat in every week on
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Tidwell, Notorious t id What uptid I like how you're working on your
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yeah, your gun in your gunningfor some other gig lately or something there,
Big Daddy, I mean, listen, I'm not just a podcaster anymore,
you know. I can be heardevery Sunday on TSN Radio. So

(01:25):
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He's just gonna steal my shit.Anyways, whatever you forget, you forget
who your boss is, right,because we're all part of the same family.
That doesn't matter. They just takeit and go. You know,
we're gonna run this shit. Yeah, thanks for doing it, Donnie.
You keep up that hard work now, Donnie. This is what they refer

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to in the corporate world as synergy. Yeah, right in the streets,
they call it theft. Yeah,yeah, you got to stop doing that
thing with your hands in front ofthe camera though. It's really creepy.
Is it weird? Yeah? Isit weird? Yeah? Oh wait,
hold on, do it again?No time, Nope, because you're setting
me up for a punchline and I'mnot playing uh new theme song off the

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top. I wanted to mention realquick. That, of course, is
a track off of the album vigilLanti by our bro Danny OHO's album which
dropped just a couple of weeks agonumber one record on college radio here in
Toronto, Canada. I'm so happyfor our guy who is making some real
noise with this record. Tid heis. He is a twenty nine year

(03:15):
overnight success. Yeah. You know, listen, I, like I said
to you off air, I wasstarting to second guess whether or not I
was going to be able to keephim around as a friend or not,
right, you know, because likehe's he hasn't been pulling his weight.
You tell all of these people,hey, I got this friend of mine.
He's a quote quote famous rapper,and they're like, oh, what's
he done? Is like nothing?So hopefully hopefully this all works out for

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Dan and you know, he getssome he gets some of that Craig going.
Finally, now Dan is awesome andthis album is by far like it's
something. It's not only his bestwork, it's some of the best work
out there right now. Last weekhe got to perform at the legendary Phoenix
Concert Theater in Toronto, opening forSlick Rick. I mean, you talk

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about legends in hip hop, SlickRick making his first ever Canadian appearance,
first ever Canadian tour. Danni Ogets to perform and open up for him.
There was a couple of other openingacts and I read some of the
some of the reviews tid that cameout and the guy that went on before
Dan, I don't even know hisname. One of the reviewers like,

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this guy came out and was tryingto wrap on top of his backing vocal,
like on top of his vocal track, and he couldn't keep up with
his own vocal track. So thecrowd starts booming him and he ends up
just walking off stage. He justcompletely blew it. It's probably the reviews,
the reviewers saying, well, thenight seemed to be falling apart at

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that stage, and then danny Ocame on and delivered an absolute clinic on
how to perform. And look,we know this, You and I both
know this for a long time.If there's one thing Dan can do,
it's not get tall. But heis very good at performing on stage.
But being tall is not one ofhis strengths. No, and it sounds
like the bar was really low,thankfully because he is social, so you

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Yeah, he's twelve. No,not a clue. Not the question
I asked. Does he know?He's very well versed in all things retro,
but I don't think he's familiar withWKRP, and that says more about

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you as a father. I'm ashipfather. I didn't say that part you
did. Guilt comes from within,my friend. I didn't say it you
did. I'm just saying that youshould use this as an opportunity to teach
hit him down and binge, watchthe shit, and let him know that
damn it, turkeys can't fly.Donnie, you are correct. I should

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take that opportunity this weekend, whenyou know what, We'll make a night
of it. We're going to SuperKicked Pro Wrestling on Friday night. When
we get home at one in themorning, we'll flip on. We'll flip
we'll flip on reruns of WKRP.You know who would know about turkeys and
flying Who would that be? TidOur guest this week, Donnie, I
think you might be right. Ladiesand gentlemen, his time right now for

(07:21):
the big hello in this week's guest. But he's a little different than the
type of people we usually talk to. He's not a pro athlete, he's
not a rock star. He's nota comedian, he's not a Hollywood actor.
He is, however, the humanpersonification of the term adventurous spirit.
In nineteen ninety eight, he graduatedfrom the Ontario Veterinary College and has been

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on an unstoppable journey ever since.With a heart full of compassion and a
passport full of stamps, he's traveledthe globe, making a difference in animal
welfare, from the heat of Jamaicansummers to the brutal conditions of the Canadian
Arctic. He's lent his skills towildlife rescues and animal shelters, even braving
a war zone in Ukraine, whichnearly cost him his life. While most

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vets work with cats and dogs,he also tends to wild monkeys, birds,
foxes, deer, whatever other creaturejust happens to need his help.
Did I mention he was the personificationof adventurous spirit. Okay? Well,
In addition to being the globe trottinganimal doctor, He's scaled mountains, raced
marathons, conquered spartan courses, andsurfed the frigid waters of Lake Ontario.

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He's a martial artist with a blackbelt in judo, has competed at the
national championships and did he can takea punch. When he's not on the
move, you'll find him strumming hisguitar, learning to speak Greek, or
volunteering at a wildlife rescue. Oftenget in bit from everything, including squirrels
and bald eagles. He has adocumentary on YouTube that shows him doing what

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he loves, which is saving wildanimals, and it is absolutely riveting.
Ladies and gentlemen, Pour a drink, Light up a spliff, Give it
up to our new pal. Thisis doctor Cliff. Hey, guys,
how you doing? Man great?I'm great? So yes. I did
know that turkeys can't fly. Ilearned that from Les Messman. Of course.

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Did you know that turkeys can't evennaturally mate anymore? What we get
more turkeys. Well they all it'sall through. Uh yeah, yeah,
it's all through. See, Tid, you seem to know how to do
this. I think you got asecret. You got a secret hobby.
There. Listen here, homie,I've jerked off a couple of turkeys in
my day. If you know whatI'm saying, you've rung it. You've

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rung a few. Next. Yeah, wed them. We have bred them
to have such large breasts the femalestrue that the males they can't even hold
the male behind them, that thefemale falls over when the male tries to
mount them. So now all turkeys, at least the butterballs are artificially inseminated.

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I had that problem with and Iasked Tid for help. I bet
you, I bet you. Hewas already like, I got I got
you, go away, I gotthis covered. I'm already in that like
a bottle jack, I bet Ibet man. Listen, when when people
discover you online and they learn aboutwhat you do, it is it is

(10:20):
pretty inspiring and also intimidating. Likeyou do so much all the time.
Do you just have this like endlessuh uh bat of energy? Like what's
going on here? Man? Well? Uh veterinarians get the best stimulants and
the best drugs, the best horsetestosterone, I'd say, And look,

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I'm a younger brother. I'm fivefoot seven. My brother's six feet tall.
Uh, And I grew up ina rough area, and I got
these demons, I got these voicesthat I'm trying to beat down my whole
life. So that's why it's alwaysgo, go go, I think I
I'm trying to make up for something. All Tid heard was this guy can

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write me prescriptions. That's right,the best? The best? Is that
why you got into veterinary school?Or was there a you know, were
you like? Were you saving Robin'swhen you were a kid? Like?
Because it takes a certain individual toDid you start off as a tech and
then work your way through the throughthe system like that? Or did you

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go straight to school and come outready to do surgery? Yeah? I
mean I was. You know,it's interesting. I was probably one of
the few in my class that didn'tdecide to be a veterinarian when they were
a kid. You know, Iwas seriously thinking about being a police officer.
I want to be a police officer. Probably a dog like a canine
unit, right, but I wantto be a police officer or a science

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teacher. And it wasn't until sortof a final year of high school that
I made that full commitment. Now, all of my teachers and friends who
have caught up with me in socialmedia were like, yeah, we knew
when you were ten years old,we knew you'd be a veterinarian. You
were always the kid taking care ofthe class paths and whatnot. And then
I went to University of Guelf,which is one of the best schools in

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the world. I kind of snuckmy way after one year of a Bachelor
of Science into VET school. SoI graduated at the young age of twenty
four. It's been twenty six yearsnow. I've been a veterinarian more than
half my life. Oh that's why, that's why he's Donnie. I've answered
your question for you. This iswhy he's able to do that. He

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found out in his la I'm goingto shorten this whole thing. He found
out in the last year of highschool what vets make and he was like,
yeah, I'm going to do that. And now he's afforded all of
the times and luxuries that he wantsbecause he gets to pick his own schedule
because he busted his ass on thoseearly years, because he did it when
he was young, and now he'sreaping the rewards. Dam and I hate

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you success stories. That's one hundredpercent. Like I bought my business,
my clinic Wellington Hospital, twenty fiveyears ago. This January coming up.
Wow, So I'd only been outa year and a half and the first
handful of years were tough. Thefirst decade was tough. But I'm doing
okay now and it pays for allthese trips around the world. Like we

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did raise money for the Ukraine trip. We raised about one hundred thousand dollars
plus fifty grand in human medication wasdonated to us by a pharma Pharma Science
in Montreal. They sent us likestuff for breast cancer, breast cancer treatment,
prostate cancer treatment because all the Ukrainiansget all their medicine from Russia,

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so when the war started they couldn'tget any of these life saving medications,
and so it was it allowed meto kind of grease the wheels to get
deeper in and to bring some ofthe narcotics that I normally wouldn't be sneaking
into these foreign countries. Of course, I don't do that anywhere else.
I do it all the time.Everyone says, how do you how do

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you get the paperwork and all this. I don't do paperwork. I just
I just sooner or later I'm gonnaget caught. But it hasn't happened.
So I just I just sneak itin. I was breaking the old prison
wallet, that's right. My firsttrip was to Jamaica eight years ago,
and and although I did have paperwork, I was bringing some pretty heavy narcotics

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that you know, they can't getthere, and it was kind of questionable.
And I'm sitting there in Customs becausethey're the person that had given me
permission with the Ministry of Veterinary Medicinein Jamaica was on vacation and they hadn't
told the replacement. And I literallysaid to the custom agent, give me
a break. Who actually sneaks drugsinto your country? All right, we're

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gonna get this sorted out. Likeyou're right, no one's going to be
bringing drugs like this is legit.So it was it was all right.
And then we did an episode calledDoctor Spliff True Story That's funny. Yeah,
we did. We did my firsttime. My first time trying weed
was eight years ago on the topof Hellshire Hills, the top of a

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mountain with a few of my staffmembers in Jamaica. Wow, where apparently
weed is illegal. Uh yeah,yeah, wow, Yes, it's all
kinds of it's all over the place. I don't know, but they don't
really care. Right to confirmer,deny your first time trying weed? You

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were still breastfeeding. Deny, Wait, first time trying weed? I was
four, Yes, And that wasbecause I convinced my aunt and her boyfriend
at the time, she's only tenyears older. I mean, she was
only fourteen. They were babysitting.I convinced them that my dad, who

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very well could have at the time, who knows. I was like,
oh, my dad smokes weed aroundme all the time. Let me try
it, right, And they gaveme a puff off the joint and it
was one of the there like,whatever you do, don't tell grandma when
you get home. As soon asback to grandma's place, what's the four
year old do? Tells grandma?Right? I tried weed and she's like,
what where did you do that?And I look at my aunt and

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my Aunt's like oh I'm dead,And I was like my dad boom off
instantly. Just to give you someperspective, doctor Cliff, I've known this
guy almost thirty years. I don'tthink I've ever seen him not at least
a little bit high. Ever.There you go, Yeah, that's all
right, it's just one of them. I wouldn't recognize him if he was

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totally sober. So you didn't thinkas a child that you would necessarily be
a vet. You found your calling, you get into it. But my
god, like, how do yougo from deciding I'm going to run a
clinic, a successful clinic, andI'm going to do that to I'm going

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to just travel the world and bethe mother Toesa of animals and just run
around saving creatures everywhere, not makinga dime for it, and I'm just
gonna do Like that's a that's abig bridge to build and then to cross.
Yeah, but I am. Imean, I don't want to say

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I'm bored, but I do enjoy. I do enjoy trying stuff that I
probably have no business business trying.And it's gotten me in trouble or it's
gotten me injured. It's got meinjured a lot over the years. I've
had a lot of surgery. Isthat sort of thing. I'm adventurous.
I love it, I love traveling. I hadn't had a top opportunity because
I bought my clinic young, I'dhad my kids. My wife and I

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had had my kids young, orour kids young. She was I was
like twenty eight by the time allthree of my children were born. Now,
we did have twins. We startedout with twins, so we did
it fast, right, So Ididn't have the opportunity. But once my
oldest boy, once my twin boyshit university that summer they're heading to university,

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It's like, you know what,I'm gonna go to Jamaica for three
weeks, never really planning it tobe this repetitive thing. We were filming
it for our YouTube channel at thetime. This is before I got into
Instagram, and it just I fellin love with the whole cultural aspect of
it. I kind of thought I'dgo in as this like white night.

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No pun intended this white night thatwas going to like save the day with
all this modern medicine and technique,And definitely some of that came true.
But I learned so much in thosethree weeks, I became such a better
veterinarian that I just said, I'mgonna I'm just gonna keep doing it.
So I just find places that Iwant to go and places where there's like

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some sort of charity that not onlyneeds my help but can kind of set
up surgery, a surgery unit orsomething where I don't go on after a
day there's no more work to bedone. And we've had a few horror
stories where I didn't take the timeto research where I was going, where
I ended up not being as beneficialas we wanted. But it's been amazing

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and it's so rewarding. Because I'mfifty years old now, I don't really
have a plan to retire anytime soon, but when I do leave my clinic,
I know what I'm going to bedoing. I'm going to be half
retiring in Greece, where my wifeand I have a place, and then
half the time traveling to volunteer andsurf. Those will be my two key

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things. And amazingly, there's surfalmost everywhere. If you're not afraid of
the cold, there's surf almost everywhere. I love that. Let me ask
you a really layman's question when itcomes to being a vet and doing the
type of work you do, becausethis is something that's always puzzled me.

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And even like I was watching thedocumentary that you have on YouTube where you
travel to India and you're just you'retree everything like every type of animal,
and I'm trying to wrap my headaround this man. And this is gonna
sound like a stupid question to you, but to me, this is plaguing
my brain. A human doctor goesto school, picks an area to specialize

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in, and they learn everything thereis to know about that area. Right,
if you're a neurosurgeon, yes,you're gonna do your general medical background,
but then you're gonna specialize in thebrain, and you know, and
and so on and so forth.The physiology and biology of every goddamn animal
is different. So how the helldo you look at a six inch bird

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and a fucking monkey and a dogand a cat and a goddamn you know,
piranha, I don't know what you'retreating and and just go yeah,
oh yeah, I know, yeah, yeah, his eyes all fucked up.
I know how to fix that,like how to fuck Like, how
do you how do you have allof that going on? Like, I
can't imagine you go to school andthey're like, all right, today is

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a monkey day. We're gonna learneverything about monkeys. Like, no,
there's no fucking way. Well,I mean we do learn about there's four
full time courses on comparative anatomy andphysiology. Okay, it does teach us
some of the difference. Now.Look, six years ago, I started
volunteering at the local wildlife place,Shades of Hope. I go there every

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Thursday. I was there today andI specifically went because after my trip to
Jamaica and I had to deal withan eye surgery on a crocodile, I
realized, I don't really know whatI'm doing with these wild animals, although
I'm licensed, Like it had beentwenty years since i'd been at school,
and I was really just doing catsand dogs. So I started volunteering to

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learn. I only planned to bethere one day a week for six months,
and it's now been six years andit's you know, it's become a
part of my life, okay,and some of it is I asked the
non veterinarians, like the truth ofthe matter is, I can't do shit
without the people I'm working with.When I go to India. There's a

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scene in the film with regarding myfirst trip where the monkey starts to chew
at her wound and she self cannibalizes, and I literally say to doctor Rashad,
this is my first time ever dealingwith a monkey. You know more
about this than I do. Isthis normal? And He's like, yeah,
this sometimes happens. So I hadto learn and I'm still learning.

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But I mean, yeah, we'rebetter than human doctors. Man liked.
There was this hilarious article years agowhen The Walking Dead was in its prime,
and it was done by the AmericanVeterinary Medical Association about if there was
a zombie apocalypse, why you needto have a veterinarian on your team,

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your survival team, And it talkedabout were natural leaders and we handle you
know, when shit hits the dust, we can we can handle it when
shit hits the fan. But italso talked about we can keep you safe,
and we can keep the food sourcesafe, and we can deal with
pretty much everything. If I haveto deliver a baby, I might be

(23:18):
hooking up the chains to the tractorand yanking that baby out. That's a
possibility, but either way, thatbaby is coming out, whether it's a
caf or a or a turkey,that it helped inseminate. Well, listen,
we all know that. Like Ididn't need The Walking Dead to tell
me that you go to a vetto get a bullet out. Every gangster
movie from the beginning of time saysyou don't go to a regular doctor,

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you go to a vet because theyknow how to keep their mouth shut.
Here's I got a couple of questionsfor you, because in a weird roundabout
way, I am kind of involvedwith rescuing dogs. Yeah, my wife
works at a clinic out here.Oh wow, that was started by a

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doctor who does a lot of stuffwith a bunch of puppy mills to go
in and check for jardia and stufflike that to make sure and then you
know, get all of the onesout of there. She'll buy him from
these auctions. The puppy mill thingis a big thing of contention around here
for me for one thing. Buthere's my first question for you, because
you say you travel to a lotof these places, and there's a lot

(24:30):
of doctors that do that, goto a lot of the Third world countries
and smaller places to volunteer their services. I've seen it firsthand down in Mexico
where they've had like spay and neuterdays out on the island of Cozamel,
And you know, doctors go andvolunteer and they just line up these animals
and boom, boom boom, justget them in, get them out,
get them in, get them out. Stuff like that. Do North American

(24:52):
doctors do we put too many cornersup in the procedures that they do because
or or are we cutting corners insome of these other in these smaller countries
now we're talking about veterinarians or humandoctinarians. No, I don't think we
put up too many, Like ourstandards are really good here. But look,

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the minimum standards are are in Canadaand the US are much lower than
what most veterinarians, UH sort ofprescribed to and and you'd rather not do
the minimum standard for your family pet. But even when we go to these
countries, although we may not belet's say in Mexico. I've never been

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there, but it'd be the sameprocedure anywhere else. They're probably not using
inhalin anesthetic right right, because it'stoo difficult bring in the oxygen and whatnot.
But the injectable drugs are are arejust as good. It's just there
is a tiny bit of a safetyissue. Like when I went to Jamaica,

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you know, I said, whatdo you guys use as your primary
injectvelanacetic? They said, we usethis drug xylazine. I almost fell off
my chair because not only did wenot to use xylazine anymore in dogs,
but I actually did a paper inthe mid nineties about why xylazines no longer
considered it safe enough. But that'sall that they had now. I think

(26:21):
these Island dogs, though, aremuch tougher beasts, and they seem fine.
They seem really really good. Sothe standards are different. But the
animals are well medicated. There werecontrolling their pain. We're dealing with completely
different diseases, like the bleeding disordersthey have from the all the ticks can
give them, these these bleeding issues, so that that becomes a sort of

(26:45):
a different complication. But no,I don't think we're cutting corners, but
definitely there's like the paperwork is theissue, right, Like you come to
my clinic, I have to havefor seven years, I have to keep
records on that dog and and sortof monitor all the especially the controlled drugs

(27:08):
and all those things, so weknow if someone is you know, sniff
or sneaking a little injection on theside, right, we figure it out.
Whereas in you know, Mexico,they just like whatever, just take
care of the dogs. But it'swith my like with my travel, people
ask that often ask me why don'tyou do Vets Without Borders or or amazing

(27:30):
organizations like that. But the raalityis is for me, the PaperWorks too
too long. They would never havelet me go to Ukraine as quickly as
I did. And I went toUkraine twice, and the first one was
just at the border with Poland.In Poland, I met my daughter there.
She was on a trip in Europe, so we volunteered, and a

(27:52):
week before I was talking with VetsWithout Borders and they were going to go
as well. They ended up tookthem two months to get there, whereas
it took my daughter and I sevendays because of the bureaucracy of these large
organizations. So I think the redtape is more the the company you're traveling
with and not the country you're goingto. Where the country you're coming from.

(28:15):
I want to say, since youmentioned your daughter when I was watching
that documentary on h on YouTube.And by the way, we're gonna put
the link to that up on Godfather'sa podcast dot com. Yeah you can.
It's private. We're trying to sellit. Oh it's private. Yeah
yeah, we're selling it to astreamer. We're actually in negotiations right now
to sell it to a big streamer. Oh shit, okay, well sell

(28:38):
that, mother, because it isreally compelling stuff. But don't share it
yet. All right, we won'tshare it. Thank you for telling me
that, because I was going toshare the shit out of it, but
that we signed the deal and somesome international broadcasters have already paid that check.

(28:59):
But as far as North America,when we signed the deal, you
guys will be the first to know. Well, it's definitely broadcast quality,
that's for sure. But when Iwas watching it, and there's that moment
where you realize your daughter is interestedin following your footsteps and you've got this
proud daddy face. But wait asecond, she's not just following in your

(29:21):
footsteps and being like, you know, the normal vet tech. She's a
fucking rock star bro. Like I'mwatching this shit tid well, I know,
like so Tid and I had thisconversation like did you watch it?
Bro? And he goes, Ican't watch that shit. It's too hard,
like this big Hell's Angels looking motherfuckerdoesn't have the heart to watch it.
But I sat through and I watchedit as difficult as some parts were.

(29:44):
This monkey in an alley way thatCliff is working on is literally starting
to go into like rigor mortis,Like this thing is is just it's hardening
up, and she's like, doyou want me to give it mouth to
mouth? And I'm like what,my heart is breaking, And I'm looking
at her and she sincerely wants todo anything possible to save this like just

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completely gone creature. And you're lookingat her like no, he's gone,
He's gone, And I could justsee the pain in her face, like
no, Dad, let me,I could do it. I could,
like she wants to and she issuch a And then there's the other one
when you had that bird and you'relike amputating the bird's wing and the fucking
bird dies on you while you're performingsurgery, and she's trying everything. She's

(30:34):
giving this bird mouth to mouth,mouth to beak resuscitation and I'm like,
this woman is some kind of arock star, Like you gotta be unbelievably
proud when you see that shit.So proud, so proud. She's such
a cool chick, so proud.And I mean, you know, we

(30:55):
filmed that India trip, but shehas been to Ukraine, eat Gypped,
panamaowhere else with me, India twice, a caloit, and she's volunteered at
this wildlife place with me. Therehave definitely been times where I have saved
animals only because she was by myside. The proudest moment I had with

(31:18):
her. She was nineteen when wewent to Cairo, Egypt, and we're
doing spas and neuters on this oneshelters puppies and dogs right out in the
desert. And there's these big Arabicmen that are running this shelter and they
don't speak English, and they're notused to taking instruction from a woman,

(31:41):
especially a cute little nineteen year old, doesn't matter who her dad is.
And she's controlling the anesthetic drug rightI'm focusing on the surgery, and she
knows how much to give and whento give it. And this guy goes
to very politely sort of kind ofinstruct her through motion, give more drug,

(32:02):
and he starts to get a littlebit persistent, and she literally says,
no, this is my patient.Back off, I know what I'm
doing. And he steps back andhe watches her, and as she starts
to do it, he kind ofnudges his buddy and like nods and smiles
and and and without saying anything,I knew they were like this, this
woman's knows what she's doing. Andthat was the most proudest thing in the

(32:24):
world because she she just stood upfor herself. And Yeah, the nudge
was them discussing if they should puta hit on her, and then they
were trying to size you up andsaid, no, this black belt is
going to fuck us up if wedo think so. Yeah, they're cool.
What a cool, cool moment?What like, is there something that
stands out in your mind? Like, I know this is going to sound

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like a grade five career day question, but is there something that stands out
in your mind as being just themost bizarre, exotic creature that you've been
forced to work on? I hadit was here in Ontario. We had
to do I had to fix abroken shin on a two and a half

(33:05):
pound American bullfrog. And yeah,I know, and I had no idea.
Right had to do it. Andthe thing that made it most exotic
was the anesthetic. So normally westick a tube down their throat, but
we couldn't get that. It wasjust the anatomy was too weird. And
then so you hold a mask likewe'd given them some drugs, but we're
holding this mask. But this isa water amphibian. This is a water

(33:29):
animal that can hold their breath fortwenty minutes and done so when they're stretched
out. So he was like,nope, I'm not taking it drug right,
Nope, I'm not doing it.We patted them. So the head
of the wildlife place that I'm at, she's an Australian, and she calls
the frog hospital in Australia. There'sliterally a frog hospital and they say,

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yeah, it is crazy. Australiansare crazy. And they say, well,
it can also breathe through its skin, right, So we make this.
They give us the recipe. Wemake this bath of water and anesthetic
liquid and we we dip it intothis tupperware container. My daughter's holding its

(34:15):
head up so it doesn't drown.Another technician is sponge bathing it so that
it's pouring it over its chest ata certain interval, and his one broken
leg is hanging out over the tupperware. The fucking dude looked like he was
chilling in a spa. He wasjust turning out there getting this narcotic sponge

(34:37):
bath for me to stick this tinylittle pin up the up the tibia.
The funniest thing in the world,It survived, the anesthesia. Craziest thing.
Uh. And it was just upthe street here and in Georgina.
Do you if we start a band, we should call it narcotic sponge bath.

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Well, I was gonna say,you happen to have the formula and
can we can we figure out theratio for from bullfrog to six foot four
three human? I might be ableto figure that out, but first I
have to take your temperature, andI only know one way of how to
do that. So that's the onlyway Tid takes it. Well, why

(35:22):
is there more than one way?After the drug? Doesn't matter for Tid.
They leave it, they're doing.I don't give a shit if I'm
getting that bath. Don't threaten himwith a good time in a little bit.
Okay, So now I'm gonna askyou another stupid question because Tid mentioned
earlier vets know how to keep theirmouth shut. If TV shows have taught

(35:43):
me anything, A vet is alwaysfixing a human who got shot in gang
warfare. A vet is always theguy who's selling drugs to the mob.
A vet is always the guy likeI I watch enough shows, man,
I've seen them all. Better callSaul breaking bad. I see the VET
is always at the center of attention. Do you know any vets like this?

(36:08):
I might know Yeah, bro,he just got done telling you he
was in the Ukraine. I mightknow a guy. I might know a
guy very well. I mean that. That was one of the things that
really blew my mind right, waswatching shows like that, and that's that's

(36:29):
when it really started to dawn onme, Like, wait a minute,
you're telling me that these guys knowhow to work on every animal that comes
through their door, and they canfix people bullets like what they can you
can do everything. I've stitched uppeople before. Oh yeah, I've had
I've had that happen. I've goneto a vet. I've had vet stitches,

(36:52):
vet stitches. Yeah, yeah,okay, So is that because they
thought you were a gorilla. No, no, no, no, because
it was easier that it was.It was easier and faster than going to
sit at a hospital. Right now, when was this? Was this a
wrestling injury? No, no,just a regular one. No. But

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I have also in the past,not where my wife works now or anything
like that, we have used theX ray machines on my hands all the
time. Yeah, because you thoughtsomething was wrong, or just for shits
and giggles, because I thought somethingwas wrong. I once one of my

(37:34):
smaller judo injuries. I broke mytoe, and before I went to the
doctor, I x rayed it andI could see the break. So I
went and I knew they would haveto do their own x ray. They're
not going to look at mine.And they did the x ray and the
X ray technologists and I are literallypointing at the break. We send it
off to the radiologists. The reportcomes back, no injuries found. Like,

(37:57):
fucking guys, it's right there,it's right there. Why am I
wearing this big e caller? It'sright there. You had to You had
to wear a cone for a week, did you. Okay, that's fair.
Let me ask you another really stupidnaive question. If you're in a
situation and again I'm referring to stuffof yours that I've seen on YouTube,

(38:22):
and I'm also referring to stuff thatI've seen just over the years. Right,
you have a situation where a monkey, for example, has a really
badly broken arm, or a birdhas a broken wing, and you're looking
at it saying, this is goingto be tough to fix. Therefore the
next step is amputation. Is thereno in between? Like? Is there

(38:45):
no? Like? Because I know, like with people, if you don't
necessarily fix a break, I meanit may not heal great, but eventually
it'll heal somehow. Is there noother option in those scenarios? Oh?
No, there definitely is. Imean it depends on the species, it
depends on the injury, it dependson the the purpose, right, Like

(39:07):
so for wild animals, if you'regonna release them in the wild, they've
got to be close to one hundredpercent, Right, So if a it's
a problem we deal with at thisthis place I volunteer at every single time,
and they have rules they got tofollow so that that bird, you
know, if it's a if it'sa pigeon, its flight doesn't have to

(39:30):
be perfect, but if it's ahawk, its flight has to be perfect.
And if I can't make it perfect, unless there's the occasional one that
we can send it as like aneducational animal. There's certain organizations that do
little like educational trips with kids andwhatnot, but every single animal can't go
there. First of all, halfof them attack the children. I think

(39:52):
it's hilarious, but it's not.It's not acceptable. It's good to go
to teach you a little. Theygotta learn how to to move a little
bit, right, uh, justthin out the herd. So those are
the ones that we unfortunately have toeuthanize. But like right, uh it,

(40:19):
But I mean there are times likelet's say, let's say you have
a dog, a pet, andhe's completely shattered its leg. You could
you could have it heal where it'slike a peg leg, right, like
the the joint is going to dowhat's called arthrodiese. It's going to calcify
that it can't move anymore. Butnow this four legged dog is three and

(40:42):
a half legged, and that legis always going to be this dead weight
that's probably gonna get pressure sores.It might get infected, maybe there's a
bit of numbness to the toe,the dog's gonna chew on it, or
if you just amputate it. Imean, we don't take that lightly.
But if you amputate it, dogdoesn't fucking know that it's got three legs.
It still can get to the fooddish, it can still chase the

(41:06):
squirrel. And now it doesn't havethis useless limb that potentially might be causing
a problem. So it just becomesa little tripod and they do amazing.
So you kind of have to lookat what is the function of the thing
you're dealing with, and if youknow, if it's an eye and it's
ruptured and it is never going tosee again, and it's going to be

(41:27):
a chronic source of pain, removeit and close it. And the animal
looks adorable and they don't they don'tknow any difference. So give them an
eye patch. Give them an eyepatch. That's right, I mean,
And look, it's way easier takingthings apart and taking things off and it
is putting it back together. That'san everything I learned in med school.
That's why I could do the eyeremoval surgery on a crocodile I could not

(41:51):
rebuild the crocodile's eye, but Ican take them out. Give you a
little fruit spoon, and it's easy. It's this little pop up. Yeah,
a lot of those dogs indo.But my house doc just so,
he's got a whole bunch of threelegged mus running around. No, we
only have We have one three leggedone, and I have one that has
one eye that's completely dead. Theother one had to be taken out.

(42:12):
The one that's there now is notdoing anything. It's you know, necrotized
or whatever, and it's not She'slike a rumba. She does the stair,
she'll do the airs up and down, no problem. But I mean
to navigate boop into a wall,turn go the other way, and she's
a tank. She's a complete tank. They figure this stuff out. Animals
are magnificent. There has to besome kind of a disconnect though, you

(42:35):
know what I mean, because mybiggest problem would be catching feelings for each
and every one of the animals.You know what I mean. So,
so how hard is that for you? Number one part of that question.
Number two part of that question.Do you eat meat? H It's interesting.

(42:55):
I'm I'm a pescatarian, so Ionly eat fit. But I'm a
weird let's say, a vegetarian.I'm a weird vegetarian. My problem is
with factory farming. My problem isn'twith eating meat. When I went to
Greece and my father in law livesin this gorgeous, little, tiny little
cottage up in the hills, upin the mountains, and he found out

(43:17):
that his son in law, nowthis is my second wife, he finds
out his son in law does actuallyeat meat if it's hunted. He went
out and hunted a boar and cookedme up a boar, and I went
into a food coma. It was, it was amazing. So you know,
I recognize that being shot by awell trained farmer is a whole lot

(43:37):
better than having your guts eaten slowlyby a pack of wolves, right if
it's a deer. And as faras the disconnect, of course, we
get attached. I when I'm insurgery or when I'm dealing with a case,
not only am I emotionally, Ibecome like this robot and I just
see the surgery and I can focus, focus, focus. I can even

(43:59):
do surgery on my own pets aslong as I cover their face. Because
then it's just that's the job.I'm going to do that. But if
it's yeah, that's I've never hadto do that, I don't know.
I don't know. We're gonna findout, right, I'm just doing it
all while crying. Oh my god. But when I when I look the

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first time I went to this wildlifeplace, I'm like examining bald eagles and
deer and and this American bullfrog.I mean they're not cute, but like
this bald eagle, like you'd bedistracted by the fascination of it. But
instead I was just like, Ineed to figure out this disease, even
if it's not surgery. I gotthis riddle to solve. Once I've done

(44:43):
my job, then I step backand the child comes out. It's like,
oh my god, it's a baldeagle. And that's when I got
bitten because I wasn't paying attention.So I've learned myself a lot of other
veterinarians have more compassion fatigue that thanI have. I've learned myself how to
sort of disconnect. But when somethinggoes wrong, when we lose a patient,

(45:04):
I come here and I guess it'son this side. No it is
on this side. I hit thepunching bag like crazy, just and you
know that that's what happens. I'llsometimes text my wife and say, I've
had a bad night. I'm goingstraight down to the gym. And I
deal with it, and it keepsme in shape and it helps me again.
It keeps the demons away, youknow, it keeps the voices quiet.

(45:25):
But it's going to say you're ingood shape. You must lose a
lot of animals. There's such anasshole. Well, yeah, we do
at the wildlife place. The problemis, you know, the animals I
see are the only the worst tenpercent there. And when I volunteers come

(45:52):
with me, I'll have to explainto them, look, two thirds of
the animals we're gonna see, we'regonna be euthanizing because you know, if
it's a simple problem, their internsare dealing with it, right, like
they they take ten eleven thousand animalsa year and I only see maybe ten
a week, right, So dothe map. I don't know if I

(46:13):
do that. So you know,you do lose a lot. But in
those cases, I you know,it's a treatment. I'm dealing with their
pain. I'm helping them, youknow, go on to the next you
know, the next world. There'sgot to be something out there, right,
There's got to be another dimension they'regoing to. I don't know.
I have so much respect for whatyou do, in large part because I

(46:35):
know that I could never ever havethe stomach to do it. When I
was a kid, probably starting atthe age of twelve or thirteen, I
started as a volunteer with the SaintJohn Ambulance Cadets and I was learning first
d AID and CPR and it waslike a pair of military organization. Got
to wear a uniform, learned howto march on parade and salute and all

(46:58):
that good shit. Got from moded, became the youngest sergeant in Ontario,
became the youngest officer in Canada.And I was like, oh man,
this is great. I love helpingpeople. I want to be a paramedic.
And then when I was about seventeenyears old, one of the guys
I got to know through the cadetdivision that was a paramedic. He's like,
well, you want to be aparamedic, come on some ride alongs

(47:20):
with me. And I'm like,yeah, let's go on some ride alongs.
And I was so fired up.I started going on ride alongs and
I realized, oh, wait aminute, I'm not helping anyone. The
job is pick up bodies on theroad and put them in the back of
the ambulance and drive to the morgue. Like that was what we did the
majority of the time. And Ithink in the span of seven ride alongs,

(47:44):
maybe three people we helped, andeverything else was just stoop and scoop,
you know. And I'm just Ifelt like a bag of toys by
the end of that week. Man, Like I felt like I was going
to lose my mind. Look,I I so much respect for paramedics.
One of my technicians partner, uh, she's a she's a paramedic, and

(48:07):
we talk all the time about themental toll it takes on her. I
couldn't. I don't think I coulddo that. Like I physically have the
ability and the knowledge, but Iemotionally don't think I can do that.
Look, we occasionally lose patients,and at my clinic, I have to
deal with emergencies, but I sawlike three puppies today, right, and
and and so a lot of mywork is wellness visits and and although it

(48:32):
is you know, birth to grave, you know, but there's fifteen years
in between there of generally glorious timesand even when we're saying goodbye, it's
it's it's often in such a controlledsetting that we can we can appreciate sort
of the the the the opportunity thatwe can help this family in this animal

(48:57):
out right when I come back fromthese trips, like I just need to
go play with my dogs, Like, yeah, it's a it's a crazy
situation. I mean, Ukraine wasa whole different sort of PTSD. But
on the second trip, but yeah, I couldn't I couldn't do what paramedics
do. I couldn't do what emergencydoctors or like army medics do. And

(49:21):
yeah, no, I don't know. I don't think I could talk to
us about that experience being in Ukrainein the middle of a fucking war and
bombs are going off and how likelike you're right in the middle of it.
Yes, yeah, And the firsttrip only occurred six weeks into the
war, uh, and it wasair quotes safe because we we were just

(49:43):
at the border dealing with these refugeesthat were bringing their animals and they needed
their animals vaccinated so they could taketheir animals with them, right, And
although we did do a day inkey No Leviv is there. We did
a day in Leviv. You know, it was safe. We didn't see
any problems. But I fell inlove with the people, saw the images

(50:04):
on TV when I got back andsaid, I'm going this time without my
daughter for obvious reasons, and I'mgoing deep. And I went into harkeep
with some of the contacts that I'dmade. I was not prepared. I
thought I was, And my brotherwas calling me all kinds of names about
how selfish and stupid I was becausehe was worried for me, and he
didn't talk to me for a while. With the joke is, if I

(50:27):
can go a month without talking tomy brother, that's a win. But
I love him to death. ButI ended up having thirty six hours straight
of hiccups going to Ukraine, whichI later found out is a common pre
stress response the body has, andmost people think that's hilarious. It is

(50:47):
for the first hour and then itbecomes fucking painful. And it was like
the second I literally crossed the border, they stopped and it was like my
body went into Okay, we haveno more time for hiccups. We're getting
rid of the fear adrenaline and we'rejust dealing with real stuff. And when
I got to Harkey even I waswarned by the rescuers there. We were

(51:09):
literally we're in this clinic that hadbeen abandoned, this veterinarian that had taken
off, and the animal rescuers stayedand I'd be in the middle of surgery
and the clinic would shake like thissubway train passed under and it was from
the air quotes Russian thunder as westarted to call it, and he'd be
like, whoa, that one wasclose. And then on day I think

(51:31):
it was the third morning, iswhen when the bombs hit, these these
high ballistic projectiles they called it,I just call missiles that landed a couple
hundred feet from my apartment, andme being an idiot and like, oh,
okay, I don't hear anymore,and the alarms are going off and
I'm gonna record it. Oh youcan hear the alarms. This alarm is

(51:53):
you know, the bomb just hitand boom, another one lands and it
was just like I gotta go right. And the funny story is, and
I can laugh about it now,So I go under there's this like little
area that they were like, thisis a safe spot if there's a bomb
in the apartment, there's good foundationwhatever. So I put on my vest
and I put on my helmet,and I waited and I waited, and

(52:15):
the alarm stopped, and then Icould hear voices outside in the courtyard,
and it was of my neighbors like, all right, it's safe to go
out. And I go out therewearing this flak jacket and this helmet and
these dudes are standing on top oftheir garage in pajamas and a housecoat,
drinking their coffee. And I feltso embarrassed. And they looked at me
and they called me over and theysaid it's okay. We were like you

(52:37):
six months ago as well, andthey're like, get you. Just get
used to it, right. Andwe went into one day, we went
we left the less dangerous area ofHarkey, went into the down Bass region
to deliver some of the human medicineas well as the animal medicine and pick
some animals up and some refugees.And this was right in the you could

(52:59):
hear like the bombings on either sideof us. From the Ukrainian Allied forces
and the Russians. And at onepoint I'm standing around and I'm hearing the
bombing and then I hear laughter,and I turn and in this little playground
there's like these six kids playing likethey're just swinging on the swing. They're
not wearing any safety gear. Andit was both the most beautiful site and

(53:22):
the most sad thing in the world. That beautiful that they were living their
lives and laughing, and so sadthat they had become used to this fighting.
And it was I mean, it'sa cliche, it opened my eyes.
We are so lucky to be inNorth America. I come home and
my again my Greek wife, andthere's tension with Greece and Turkey always.

(53:44):
She was like, yeah, like, you guys are safe here. The
Americans are going to protect you inCanada, and nobody hates you, like
everyone. Half of the world isat war all the time, and we
have no idea. And one laststory, you know, I was I
met with a a war correspondent mediaguy on my last day just for drinks.

(54:07):
I hadn't known him. We kindof got to know each other and
he talked about this missile landing andhow do you feel about it? And
and you know there was some stressand and et cetera, et cetera,
but you get used to it all. And he's like, trust me,
when you get home, it's goingto hit you. If you know anybody
in the police force or in thearmy, tell him what you went through.

(54:30):
Have a beer with them, andthat's going to get you through it.
And I had a few rough nights. I had a few rough nights
of nightmares and and and and andwhatnot. And then I I know through
Judo, I know a lot ofpeople on the Metro Police Force and one
of the guys is Swat and weused to train together. And I went

(54:50):
out for beer and we just talkedand he told me some of the stories
and I told him some of thestories and it was like done. I
felt I slept better, I feltgood good. So uh, it was
terrifying. It was the most rewardingexperience. I do plan on going back
again. Not to heart keep rightnow. I mean, it's too dangerous.

(55:12):
Unfortunately, even I can't do that. But if if anyone out there,
if you got the skill that's needed, whether it's veterinarian medic anything,
anything that can help get out thereand travel. It doesn't have to be
at a situation that's dangerous, butget out of your white picket fence and

(55:34):
comfortable life and go experience adventures andit'll be humbling and rewarding and empowering all
the same time. You know whatthat means to your wife is about to
hit the road and you're about tobe single. Home on man, it
was like, go go wife.I find here's the fascinating part, because

(55:57):
we live in this age and throughthe people that I know, and your
business and what you do seems tobe a very finite situation. Like you're
a you know what you're doing withworking with a lot more exotic animals than
say your average vet. You knowwhat I mean? You go to your
vet, You're not I'm not goingI'm not going to where my wife works
and oh fucking bald eagle in heretoday, you know what I mean?

(56:19):
Like that just doesn't happen. Sowhat you do and what you seems to
be a lot more I don't wantto say niche, but I mean that's
what it is. I find it. I find it hard to believe that
you and your clinic have managed tohold out as long as you have in
this day and age, when there'scompanies out there that are just scooping up

(56:42):
veterinarian places just for the sake ofhaving veterinarian places, how is it tough?
Is it tough navigating that? Yeah? And we call that the corporatization
of the of the industry. CBCjust did a report something like forty five
percent of clinics in large cities areowned by corporations. Now, look,

(57:09):
I'll be honest with you. Theyapproached no idea. Yeah, yeah,
And during the pandemic they realized againthat we are sort of recession proof,
pandemic proof. And there are awhole bunch of other things that caused the
multiplier the value of clinics to beridiculous. I had no interest in selling

(57:31):
my clinic. I don't have anyinterest in selling my house. But if
someone comes to me and offers mefive times what my houses were, I'm
selling my house right. And therewere conversations, I'll be honest with you.
There were conversations because my mom wasin a bad spot financially and I
was looking to buy her a placeto live. It would help my kids

(57:53):
with university. It would help mystep son, like we got needs right,
And so I started to have thatconversation. And then the industry changed
and they're like, okay, wecan now give you four times what it's
worth, three times what it's worth. And they weren't fucking around, they
weren't like playing games. The industrychanged all of a sudden and still three

(58:16):
times what it's worth. And Isaid, no, I'm not interested because
that's just not you know, it'sjust not enough. The difference is is
And I don't feel bad about veterinarians. I don't think we should feel angry
with veterinarians. Yourself, if you'resixty years old and you're going to retire,
yeah, you've just given your wholelife to this. Get the money.

(58:38):
I'm sorry. You owe it toyour family. You know who else
is going to buy it? Right? And the kids these days aren't looking
to buy clinics. They're looking tobe hired by these corporations. This is
where I'm going to get on arant. They complain that all these corporations
care about his money. I washired by this big corporation. They promised
me mentoring, they promised me this, but they didn't tell me they were

(59:00):
to push the dollar. You gottasell, you gotta sell, you gotta
sell. And then I say tothem, and a lot of them hate
me. Now, I was like, well, you didn't take a job
at the other clinic because this corporationwanted to pay you twice as much.
And this corporation gave you a signingbonus and a retention bonus. We're talking
like a fifty thousand dollars signing bonus. How do you think they're gonna make

(59:22):
that money back? So you youmrked yourself out for the big dollar,
and they're got to do the samething. The difference is with me.
First of all, I'm only fiftyyears old, and you know situations happened
that that that I got my clinicso young, so early. I am

(59:42):
one of the few veterinarians that loveowning a clinic. And I love dealing
with my staff. I mean,they're they're amazing people. Uh there's headaches.
I love dealing with clients. Now. I'm also the type of guy
that's like, look, man,I almost got hit by a MILLI sol
a year ago in Ukraine. Youwant to call me those names? I
don't need your business, get thefuck out of here. And I don't

(01:00:06):
say it with those words, butI fire people once they've failed. Chance
one chance too. I fire clients. I should say. So I love
my job. I still wake upand go this is I am so blessed
to do this. So the onlyway I'm going to sell to a corporation

(01:00:27):
if it is ridiculous money. Andthen I'll just open another one a year
later. And yeah, the compete, the no compete is only like a
year. Yeah, it's not long. So if I know veterinarians who have
sold like ten years ago when itdid another spike, took their family on
an around the world trip for ayear, opened up a clinic down the

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street, got all their clients back, wow, and then sold again in
this last hit. What a racket. Yeah, relationships, it's relationships,
and especially with a veterinarian like youknow, I don't I don't like seeing
change when I go to a doctor. I don't want that all the time.
And same thing. You don't wantthat for your animals either, right,

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you want you want that familiarity.So you develop a relationship with your
doctor, with the people that thetext there, with the people that work
up at the front. They they'rethat family of people that work in those
clinics kind of become an extension ofyours, you know what I mean.
So me owning my clinic twenty fiveyears, that also means I now see

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adults who I knew when they wereborn, right and they were coming in
in a carrier with dogs, youknow, three dogs ago. And now
little Jimmy has become jim and I'mjust cliffed to him and he's having a
kid, and I remember him listeningto that dog's heart when he was six

(01:01:57):
years old and going, oh mygod. You know why some of them
drive an hour to come see me, because I knew them when they were
little kids. Like it's it's soamazing. I love it. I feel
like there's so much more that wecould go into, so much more we
could discuss. We are right upagainst the clock, however, and you've
been excellent with your time. Onefascinating thing I do want to touch on

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with you the next time that youmake time for us and come join us
on the program. I know thatyou do a lot of media appearances.
You're on news shows and talk showsand that sort of thing. Here and
there. A quick peek at yoursocials shows that you've got a lot of
celebrity followers. And I'm thinking tomyself, man, do they know where
to take their pets? Right?They got the special inside track? And

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dude, I don't have a dog. I don't have a cat, but
you're making me want to get onejust so I can come bring it.
You know what. Screw that.What I'm going to do is I'm a
family doctor because you retired, SoI'm just going to come to you for
a physical. Oh I get toshoot him. There you go, I
get to shoot him. You canonly go to a VET as a human
if you have a gunshot. Donnie, shut up, Tid take care.

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I'll take care of you. Don'tworry, Doctor Cliff. Where should people
go if they want to get intouch with you, find out more about
you, or just you know,see what you're up to? The biggest
thing is Instagram at Dr Cliff WorldwideVet. That's pretty much all I use
these days. Me too, man, Like, there's so many social media

(01:03:30):
platforms and people like, oh Iadded you on TikTok. I'm not on
TikTok, Like we have a TikTokaccount. I don't like it's Instagram.
I don't have time for everything.I'm sorry, it's just that, Doctor
Cliff, thank you so much foryour time, my friend. I love
it. Thanks, guys, Iappreciate it. All Right. There he
goes doctor Cliff Redford. He isan absolute rock star in the world of

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animal medicine. Tid Well, avery different type of guest for this show,
but I think that was a lotof fun. Yeah, he's he's
a dude that is chock full ofenergy. I can see him saving Yetti's
on the top of Mount Everest,just for the adventure of it, you
know what I mean. Like,first of all, I mean, who
says, yeah, you know what, I'm just going to go help this

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crocodile out with his vision thing?Like, that's wild stuff to me.
So listen, the world is afascinating place. And right here we've said
it. We've done this since thebeginning when we said we were going to
restart this show under this kind ofa format that it wasn't going to be
so dream We've got other things thatwe do that for, but we said
that we're going to, you know, open it up to have conversations with

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fascinating people and disqualifies one thousand percent. Totally cool, very awesome. Before
we go, what do you haveto plug? You know the usual stuff.
You can check me out over onthe Law Live Audio Wrestling. Go
subscribe like it's the Law Dash LiveAudio Wrestling on YouTube. Also on the

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SNEM network where you can hear thatshow each and every week, as well
as you can hear Donnie on thatshow on the Sunday Night's main event on
SNM network and on TSN Radio acrossyou know all of those providers as well.
So I mean, listen, we'rejust plugging away, man. We're
just having a good time and pluggingaway and doing our thing. And instead

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of all of us doing it onone show, we're conquering it on many
shows now, spreading out. Imentioned earlier if you missed my interview last
week on SNM and TSN with EricBischoff, you can go check it out.
This Sunday, I will have anexclusive one on one with former TNA
World Champion Alex Shelley. He willbe my guest and Alex Shelley will be

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appearing on Friday, May twenty fourthin Toronto at Super Kicked wrestling ticking on
Chris Chambers. That's going to bea lot of fun stacked show. If
you're able to make it down there, please do. I think Doctor Cliff
is going to be there too,So come on out to Superki if you're
looking for a good time, andyou can go check out everything that we

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are doing over on the s EnemyNetwork and make sure you come back here
each and every week to the Godfather'sa podcasting. Tell a friend, tell
an enemy, we don't care.We'll take them all and go to blackpoorkusa
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customizable. That's Ted. I'm Donnie. This is episode one seventy six in

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