Episode 181 with Brian Hall

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Welcome to the Godfathers of podcasting nowand you shall didn't know. They've been
podcasting since before podcasting was even calledpodcasting. Archives of this show are available
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more on their website Godfathers of Podcastingdot com. Now here are your hosts,

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two guys who have been broadcasting onlinesince nineteen ninety six, the Godfathers
of podcasting themselves, Donnie De Silvaand Chris Tidwell. Yes, yes,
yes, ladies and gentlemen. Itis Thursday, July eleventh. We are
the Godfathers of podcasting and yes,like the woman said, we have been

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podcasting since before podcasting was even calledpodcasting. I'm Donnie. That man next
to me. He is the inkin my pen, the laces on my
boot. He is the oil inmy pan. He is Notorious tid Chris
tid Well, What up? DidI missed you? Last week? Man?
With every shot you take, butI hear your aim is getting better,
young man. That's a good thing. Uh you know what? Go

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ahead? How was your week offthat? Well, it wasn't really a
week off, as you know.It was. I was away from here
and just to let people in ona little secret. I was up for
thirty six hours. Ten of thosehours were drive time and there was a
wrestling show in between. Uh yeah, at my age tired, you hired

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for wrestling to get out of allthat. Yeah, I did, I
did, so, you know,explain that to me. But it was
you know, it was a thing. It was a thing I did.
It was great. I heard y'allhad a fantast show without me, you
know, so, I mean itsounds like a win win all around.
Right, We did have a goodshow. I was lucky to be able
to pull in a favor from aa friend to come in and fill your

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your very wide chair, although shedidn't take up nearly as much room in
it. And you decided to comeon back again this week, tid,
so I didn't have to hog allthe fun to myself. Now you can
have a little bit too, Ladiesand gentlemen. Our guest co host joining
us for the second week in arow. She is a reality TV queen,

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a CrossFit icon of fitness guru,and just a complete and utter badass
from Big Brother nineteen and Big BrotherAll Stars. This is my pal Christmas
Abbot what up girl? Hi guys, tid I'm so happy you're back.
I don't have to run the showas much anymore. You see what I

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have to put up with all thetime. I feel I feel it for
you. I feel it for you. I am setting albatross on your shoulders.
Well, I mean that was oneof the birds I was thinking more
Dodo. Oh oh he's coming inwow wow. Oh yeah. Happy to

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see you guys. Happy to seeyou guys. And by the way,
I hope, I hope you hadto see the show last week because we
had my my big brother, alltime favorite Josh Martineze on and he crushed
it a different a softer side ofJosh, like the softer side of Sears.
Is that? Yeah, we gotto see. I heard it was.
I heard it was like reality TVshow Mayhem up in here, which

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is his favorite topic Reality TV Athousand. Maybe I should have one of
those sleeping cams, like those peoplethat watch you when you're sleep. Is
that reality TV enough where people canjust watch me in my sleep and see
if I snore? Oh my god, do you miss big brother that much?
Like you want to say? Ithink I mentioned this last last time.
It's kind of like Stockholm syndrome.You're like, I never do it

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again, and you're like, butI love you, please take me back.
You're like, I could put acamera in every room in my house.
That's fine, but maybe like okay, and then a couple other strangers
coming in, It's okay, Ican do it. That's like. What
was the name of that show?It came out in Canada around the time

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Big Brother debuted, and we knewa lot of people that were involved in
it. It was like it waslike a Big Brother situation, except people
were coming and going. I thinkyou were on there. What was the
name of that show. It's calledThe Loft. The Loft, that's what
it was called. Yeah, Andit was like a downtown Toronto loft apartment
and it was like a group ofpeople and and there was like literally just

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people coming and going all the time. And I don't know why, but
it became Compell TV and didn't youdidn't you show up on an episode or
two? Yeah, so the wholething it took place. It was the
loft was like down right in theentertainment district. And yeah, the door,
you know, the like an originalJersey kinda Yeah, yeah, but

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in the Entertainment district of Toronto,it was that I ended up on there
a couple of times. It's justI don't even know what we were doing,
you know. Yeah, remember,yeah, that's probably for the best.
I remember watching Real World, whichis way before, and I remember
like weirdly talk about manifestation and likewilling things into life. I remember being

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like, I would be so goodon that show. I would love to
be on that show. And thenI met some Real World reality stars through
the time. And that was waybefore Big Brothers. So maybe Chris said,
you should you still have a careerin reality TV or just people watching
you sleep? Yeah, yeah,I do. It's cops. That's that's

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the reality TV show that you're gonnasee me on. I'm sure I'm here
for it. I want to watchit. I want to see what they
say. They're like in my pocket, I don't have anything in my pocket,
and they start pulling out these boxesand bags and what do they call
the square cot, the square box, the box cutters. No, the

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there's a certain fish in Florida,oh box box cod or something. It's
combean fish. Uh huh. Outthese packages and they're like that's not mine.
I don't know how I got there. Oh those fish, those fish.
Oh yeah, see I'm convinced.Okay, side note here, I'm

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convinced. That's why y'all got likethe shark problem that you got in Florida
as well the movie Cocine. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. Thank
you, Cocaine shark, thank you. This is what I've been saying.
Right, they're just him out onthe shore, closer and closer. Yeah,
waiting for the box codfish. Iknow that's not the name of the

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fish, but anyway, it's abad example of what I would I would
expect to see you on that realityTV show for Yeah, those days are
over. Glad for it. Forit. By the way, before we
move further, you guys got meokay because my internet was just freezing up?
Am I good? Right now?Daddie, you're great. We just

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excluded you. I'm sorry. No, it's good. It was actually a
perfect filler because I was frozen tremendousall right. Uh So all that being
said, yeah, I'm going topull behind the curtain for a minute and
reveal to the audience what's actually happeninghere. So last week when I reached

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out to Christmas and I said,hey, I'd like you to be a
guest on the show like she alwaysdoes, She's like hell yeah. And
then Tid told me, by theway, buddy, I forgot to tell
you, I'm not going to bearound this week. And I said,
oh, hey, Christmas, changeof plans. Instead of being a guest,
do you want to be the cohost? And she's like, hell
yeah, I do. So thenwe went and she decided she was going

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to find a guest for us tointerview. That's how Josh Martinez ended up
on the show. But she alsocontacted the person who's coming up next and
she said, Hey, if mybuddy is going to be on the show
next week, I want to comeon back. So you know what,
we are never ever going to sayno to having Christmas Abbot on this program.

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And when she says that she wantsto bring someone on, she can
bring someone on. So ladies andgentlemen, it is time right now for
the big Hello. And this week'sguest is a little bit different than the
ones we normally have on the show. He's not a rock star or an
actor or a professional athlete, buthe does work directly with a lot of
those people. He's a spiritual coach, He's an advisor. He's a mentor

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to some of the biggest celebrities inthe world, as well as powerful influencers,
entrepreneurs, CEOs, and more.He's developed a reputation as like dynamic
force in spiritual coaching and has arange of cross functional core competencies from business
operations to senior leadership, pastoral guidance, life coaching, and education. He's

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founded two nonprofit organizations, the CincinnatiDream Center and the Cincinnati Dream Works.
I, for one, am curiousto learn more about spiritual coaching because,
man, I don't have a clue, but it sounds like something I need.
In addition to all of that,he's a husband and proud father and,
like I alluded to a moment ago, if you're friends with Christmas Eve,

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you're instantly good. In our books, Ladies and gentlemen, prepare to
have your souls lifted and your mind'senlightened. Give it up for Brian Hall.
Thank you for having me. Loveyou, Christmas, Donnie Chris.
That is an honor and a pleasureto meet you. It's always weird to
me when anyone calls him Chris.It's always weird, like he's just tid.

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It's always weird to me. Yeah, it's usually just well, it's
because you've known me long enough.Yeah, how weird would it be if
you were just like to just instantlythrow in, Oh, this is the
nickname? You know what I mean? I Brian, do you have a
nickname? What do your friends callyou? Well? A lot of them
call me b Isn't that weird?They just say, be right, I'm

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sticking with Bee for the rest oftonight. All right? Yeah, And
I mean when when Tit and Iare cuddling, he's weird. If I
call him Chris, he thinks it'stoo personal. So we have no direct
eye contact and no calling each otherby our real first names. It's it's
it's an understanding. But he knowswho's who. I know who's in charge.

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Hey, Brian, thanks for joiningus, And you're probably wondering what
the hell did I get myself into? But this is our stupid world.
Uh So listen, let's just startright at the beginning, man, and
and walk me through like I'm threeyears old, because right now I feel
like I'm three years old. Explainto me in as simple terms as he

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can the role of a celebrity spiritualcoach. Yeah. So it's it's going
to be interesting because my story isabsolutely crazy. And I think, you
know, when you guys think ofa pastor, you think of a church.
I mean, that's what I didfor twenty three years. And so
I've been a pastor for twenty threeyears. I've started the churches, I've

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started the megachurches, I've started thenonprofits. And it was it was awesome.
It was great. And God calledme to and I know, we'll
get into the story, but hecalled me into I had a crazy dream
one night, woke me up inthe middle of the night. I thought
it was the devil, could notbe God, and he literally wanted me

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to be a spiritual coach and anadvisor of pastor and a mentor to celebrities,
influencers, entrepreneurs and CEOs and literallypeople ask me all the time,
they're like, well, what isa spiritual coach? You know? Because
it really it's great marketing, becauseI've had great marketing because when people reach
out, they're like, are youa Jew, are you Muslim? Are

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you Christian? Are you? Whatare you are? You atheists, because
atheist is a doctor is a denominationnow, which is interesting, and so
you have all of it. Andso for me, I was like a
spiritual coach I do. It's Christianityand so it's literally what I was doing
as a pastor of a church forlots and lots of people. Now God

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was narrow narrowing down this niche toinfluencers, to CEOs, and I found
out later in life why, andso it's it's been pretty crazy. Here's
my first question. My first questionis is you just said that you wanted

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to find out why later on?So, like, how are you the
first spiritual coach that you know of? Or what is there? Like is
there a convention? Like is thereother spiritual coaches you know? Do you
guys? Do you guys have meetings? Like? What what is it that
you know? I'm not quite gettingwhat makes you go down that path?

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We can get into how you endedup with the celebrity aspect of it,
but how how just do you wakeup one morning and go I need to
be a spiritual coach. And weweren't kidding, we know nothing about this,
We weren't kidding. Let's go,let's go back. How about we
go way back? So we wereraised? Were you raised in the church?

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I was? I was raised inthe church, So I was.
I was raised Southern Baptist, likeBible Belt, Southern Southern Baptist like the
Rais. Yeah, it was ok. And and and so I was made
to go to church like my dadwas a deacon. His dad was a
deacon. Everybody, but he's hisdad dad, you know, just on
and on and so I was madeto go like four days a week.

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And so I knew Jesus but didn'tknow Jesus, if that makes sense.
It's like I knew the like Bible, you know, I was always learning.
But I didn't have a relationship withhim. I didn't Actually I didn't
want a relationship with him because Ilooked at God like most people do on
the planet, as a dictator literallywaiting to smack me with a ruler when

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I messed up, or if Ireally really sinned, I was going to
hell. And that's how I lookedat God. And I think a lot
of people look at God that way, and and and for me now,
I don't look at God that way. I look at him as a loving
father that just wants a relationship withme, and so uh for me.
Yes, raised in the church,I ran from God as soon as I
could. I just got out.And I was a hellion. I tell

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people, you know, I wasa middle child, and middle middle children
are they always are pretty crazy.But I was actually a left handed middle
child, so I was like doublethe crazy and and so I went down
a crazy road. Guys like Iwas a drug addict. I was an
alcoholic, a sex addict. Yousaid, you asked if I ever got
laid. Yes, I was asex addict. So you know, I

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lost everything in bankruptcy. Had youknow, had mouth cancer, had a
heart attack, odeed on drugs,had a heart attack. I was completely
rock bottom, lost everything in mylife. I was laying in my family's
open field twenty five years ago,and I had just snorted twenty three lines
of coke and I was laying therelooking up at the sky and I was

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literally I just said, God,if you're for real, I need you
to intervene and step into my liferight now or I'm done. I've lost
everything, I've pushed away my familyand I'm going to kill myself. This
is it. I'm not I can'tgo any further. And I just I
don't know where this came from,but I just prayed this bold, audacious
prayer. I just said, God, use me, if you're going to

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use me, use me, anduse me to change the world, enhance
your kingdom and glorify you, andI will, I will give everything over
to you from this point forward.Three weeks later, uh, just tell
me when to shut up, becauseI got a long story, so so
shut up, shut up, soso so completely rock bottom. I found

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that, guys, and I don'tknow if you'll understand this, but I've
found that you don't know that Godis all you got until God is all
you have. And literally I wasin a place at rock bottom that God
was all I had left. Andso three after I prayed that prayer I
have. By the way, Ihave never touched another drug since that day.
And and and uh, three weekslater, I meet my amazing seminary

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degree, smoking hot supermodel virgin wife. I mean virgin, are you kidding
me? I didn't even know therewere virgins still around. She was a
virgin. So it was this.It was this, you too, Donnie,
that's great, the forty year oldvirgin, that's that's awesome, I'm
sweet. So literally puts this womanin my life. And I looked at

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it as like, God, I'velearned today that this is actually the picture
of what Jesus did. Right.We're all dirty, I'm dirty, you're
dirty, we're all crazy, we'veall messed up, we all are sinners,
we've all done crazy stuff in ourlives. And then God sent his
son to die for as something pureand perfect so we could have forgiveness,
so we could have eternal life andaccess to God. And so I was

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like looking at my wife, like, oh my gosh, you just sent
something so pure and perfect to me. And three weeks later, I'm at
a pool party meeting my future wifeand she looks at me and says,
I'm going to marry a pastor.And I absolutely was bowling hysterically if you
guys would have known my past life. And I said, that's not me.

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That is definitely not me. Andfast forward a little bit. She
got hired on at a fifteen thousandplus member church coming out of seminary here
in Kentucky. And that's why Ihave this Kentucky accent, by the way.
Way, and so born and raisedin Kentucky and so she gets hired
on at this church. Well,in the church world, guys, the
when you work at a church,a it's it's the way it's supposed to

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look is you always hire both.So like if you if I was to
hire you, Donnie, I wouldbe hiring your wife as well. That's
just how the church world works.Crazy and I don't want to get remarried.
Don't put that curse on me.But so so yeah, so the

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pastor comes to me and he says, I'm hiring Tracy, and so I'm
going to bring you in and uhso I I come in as a middle
school pastor. He hires me onthe spot a middle school pastor. And
I'm thinking to myself, if theseparents find out that I something so dirty
are teaching middle their middle school kids, they are going to run from this

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church. Like there's gonna be craziness. And so brother, I can tell
you guys, like I literally mywife had to write my sermons, my
messages. She had to even writemy prayers. I had never prayed out
loud, I mean she wrote everything. And I remember getting up there and
there were twenty boys in the roomand I was just shaking, and I
was so scared, and then Ijust started speaking. And next thing I

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know, like God starts moving,transformation starts happening. Kids are crying,
like three kids got saved that night. This is the first time I've ever
walked in a church and done somethinglike this. And the next thing I
know, three months later, I'mlooking around and there's two hundred boys in
the room. People are walking outof the main service and coming into the
middle school room, and I'm like, maybe this is my calling, Maybe

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this is what God wants me todo. I go to the high I
get promoted to the high school,I get promoted to the college. I
get promoted as the associate pastor,the executive pastor, then the senior pastor.
Then I start planning churches all overthe South. Then God tells me
I want you to start the CincinnatiDream Center, which is a picture of
the La Dream Center, which isone of the biggest nonprofits in the country.

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I started, go, you're tellingme that God said specifically I need
you to start the Cincinnati Dream Center. He used those words, so so
let me rephrase. No, Ilove that. I love that. Thank
you for calling me out. Soas I'm as I'm built planting churches.

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Okay. I had the CEO andfounder of the Dream Center of LA.
He would come into our churches andspeak. Okay. So I felt in
my spirit at this time. Andwe'll talk more about God speaking later,
but at this time, I feltin my spirit God leading me to start

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a Dream Center in Cincinnati. Andbecause because the Dream Center was so powerful
what it was doing in LA andnow there's three hundred Dream Centers all over
the world, you're literally it's twentyfour to seven outreach, and so you're
reaching homeless and drug addicts and humantrafficking victims in its twenty four to seven

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ministry and it runs off of activevolunteers. And so I started the Cincinnati
Dream Center by literally going to LowerPrice Hill in the ghetto. Everybody was
black. I was the only whiteguy. And I walked down there with
a case of water and these dudeswere playing basketball and I walked up and
I said, you guys thirsty,and they looked at me like we're going

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to kill you. Why are youhere? And I just said, listen,
you guys look thirsty. I justwanted to give you some water.
And so I literally guys. Iwould go back weekly and I would just
take a case of water, andthen I ended up taking a grill and
I started grilling out burgers and hotdogs. Well, like months go by
and it turns into like this massivefestival at this park and there's hundreds and

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hundreds of people. Well then itcomes into being the Cincinnati Dream Center,
the nonprofit that we created, andit ended up blowing up to where we
were in twenty six locations. Wewere all over Greater Cincinnati. Lives were
being changed, we were serving tensof thousands of people on a daily basis,
and it was just so for me. It was I knew and again

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we can get into you know howyou hear God's voice and obviously and feel
it in your spirit when God givesme a yes or a no. But
at this moment in my life,I knew without a doubt that God wanted
me to do this. Did heshow up in bed and drink a couple
of coffee with me and say doit? No? But I knew no,
that was the Mormons. This isgonna get good, This is gonna

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get good. That wasn't me.That was stupid joke. I was so
let me ask you this. Firstof all, it's a fascinating story.
And I'll say, look, ifyou're gonna bring me water while I'm playing
ball and feed me, I'll probablyfollow you too. But guy that's six
by the way, yeah he needstwo waters. I would I would take

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two waters because I sweat a lotwhen I'm playing. You're six seven,
you're six seven, Yeah, it'sfine. I would never guess that you're
six seven by looking at you onthis. Yeah, I got very short
legs. It's all here, it'sall torso and head. I thought you
were a midget. But I guessyou're okay, you're six seven. I
don't think that's politically correct. Idon't think you that you can't say that.

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As we're canceled right now. Now, let me ask you this.
You're setting up this dream center,you're doing your thing, You're you're you're
spreading your wings. Is this stillfollowing under the Baptist faith? Or is
this now something new? So?Yeah, good questions. So I was

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people asked me this too. SoI was born and raised a Baptist.
I love, I will say thatI love the deep theology, the deep
teaching of Baptist preachers. Now,I cannot stand the rules, the regulations,
and they're the way that they runstuff. Now, I would definitely
like my even some of the peoplethat speak into my life. I love
how deep they are into the scriptures, just because that's where I'm at spiritually

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right now. Now. My wife, on the other hand, went to
Lee University, and so that isthe most charismatic Pentecostal school that you could
ever go to. So now I'mBaptist, my wife is Pentecostal, like
running around speaking in tongues, goingcrazy, okay, And I was taught

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that like you were the devil ifyou did that, Like those people were
devilish, and so stay away fromthem. And so then I meet my
wife and I go to a Pentecostalchurch and people were screaming and running around
the church, and her sisters andeverybody's running, and I'm flipping freaking out.
I'm like what, Like they're shakingon the ground and I'm like,
what is happening here? Well,then me and my wife after and we

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can get deep into that. Aftermy wife and myself started our church,
it was a non denominational church.So today I call myself a non denominational
Baptocostal How about that God bless youyou get Did you get heat? Did
you get heat from the other congregationstrying to open up a non denominational church.

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No, No, I think Ithink today. I think that's even
if I started another church, whichI never will because I don't need to
and I'm not being called to unlessGod shows up and tells me to.
But I would never start another church. But if I did, it would
be a non denominational church, justbecause I just I'm so. Then,
why do you think that they dostill have denominations. I say, I

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think it's deep. I think it'srooted. I think it's deep. I
mean you're talking hundreds and hundreds ofyears of of just religion. I mean
a lot of these, even thesedenominations, which are hundreds and hundreds of
denominations, Like even the Pentecostal Church, like it was like one or two
scriptures, and so they split andthen you're like you have the Southern Baptist

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and then you have regular independent Baptists, and so it's just by like a
few scriptures of how they look atscripture, and then they just split two
different denominations. I didn't want.I was so sick of the rules and
regulations. I felt like for me, and this is, this is a
bold statement in this gate may getme canceled, but I felt like the

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church as as as as much aswe were helping people and I believe sending
people to heaven, I think wewere doing the opposite and sending people to
hell. And I think, tellyou I'm going to jump in real fast
like I'm please do Southern Baptists andsame thing. Listen, the blanket statement

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of Southern Baptist is you're going tohell no matter what, and you have
to climb out of the depths ofhell to be angelic in order to be
considered for heaven. And it wasso and I grew up this is my
roots, and this is I thinkwhy Brian and I connect so deeply on
a lot of different reasons. ButI grew up where Jerry Farwell rooted and
made his university Liberty University. NowI'm gonna say Liberty University is an amazing

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school. However, growing up underthe thumb of such a powerful conservative and
contradicting televangelists it gave me and growingup super Southern back but super conservative.
I mean, you guys know me. My first show here, I got
naked. She did she got nakedtimes right, But I mean, and

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I just never felt like I wasever accepted in I didn't know who I
was, but I just knew thatwhenever I figured it out, I wouldn't
be accepted. So I ran fromthe church on maybe three minutes. No,
sir, not yet the church.Let me turn right back on.

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I ran from the church because Iknew that they, no matter what would
happen, I would never be accepted, even if I was doing all the
checklists. So it's I knew Iand what what he's talking about. I
catapulted so severely to the other sidethat I was like, God's never going

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to accept me, so I'm gonnamake him not accept me. Watch what
I can do. And I didit right, Okay, I did a
lot like what Brian did. Wehave a very similar background of like I
ran hard and I ran heavy,and I just went against it. I
was like, I'm going to proveI'm going to prove you right. And
so I've had I've since gotten backon track, but it was through a

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series of a lot of unfortunate lessonsthat because of the culture and the community
of that I was living in andwas exposed to, I didn't understand that
that that God love love is theultimate love, is it? And that's
what I We can talk about thescripture that you had today, let me

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closest storm, but I ran hardtoo, because in what he was saying
is like we sent a lot ofpeople the other way. You know.
I also believe that God looks atwhat your intention in your heart was and
what your circumstances nurture versus nature.That's also something that's considered. And I
just felt very much so that peoplerun from religion, understand spirituality, but

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ultimately God and themselves because of theseverity of the punishment and the severity of
the community's punishment towards them. Andthat's one of the things that for me,
having been raised Roman Catholic, Ifelt that one of my biggest issues

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with the church was that a lotof Catholicism revolved around guilt and fear.
And when I used to hear theterm and people would use it in a
positive sense a god fearing person,I said, that sounds awful, Like
the term god fearing sounds awful.Like if you told me you were God

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loving, then okay, I canrock with you. But God fearing to
me, it's like, or whatHe's gonna smite you? Like, what's
going on? What are we doing? I had trouble connecting with that.
And I'll talk a little bit aboutsomething that happened to me personally, but
just for context, because everyone's throwingout their stuff. Ted, I'm pretty
sure, even though you and Idon't have a lot of theological conversations,

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I'm pretty sure you're just a straightup atheist right as of now. Yeah,
but you were raised that way.No, so, very quick,
very quick. Back four years old, I was a member of a traveling
evangelical ministry in the state of Californiathat went all over the place that is

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still going today. You know,the set up, the tent revival,
go tug on people's shirts. Youknow, blonde hair down to the crack
of my ass, a little whiteleather bible, Mickey Mouse shirt, some
you know, tall ass moccasins andLevi five oh ones. Like I was
that little hippie kid in the seventies. Right fast forward to my teenage years,

(31:25):
and I come from a home wheremy single parent. I wanted to
be into Boy Scouts right the church. The Mormon Church offered free boy Scouts.
I got baptized in the Mormon Churchjust to be in the Boy Scouts.
Also just going to church throughout,Like, we never had a set
denomination, but we moved around alot, so we went to a lot

(31:48):
of different churches no matter what townwe were in. That was how my
mom just not that we were religious, but she believed that you needed to
go to church. So I canremember going to a lot of a lot
of Sunday services. I can stillto this day. I think that,
you know, chick tracks are someof the greatest little tiny publications in the
face of the earth because they makeme laugh so much, you know what

(32:12):
I mean. I think they're great. You got Donnie, Do you know
what they are? Chick tracks.It's because of the guy named Jack Chick
right there, those black and whitecartoon just like you all talk about damnation,
you're going to hell if you dothis, And there were these little
cartoon books and they used to alwaysbe handed out in the States. So
I was like, this is hilariousto me, Like it just didn't resonate

(32:34):
that I needed to fear it becauseI saw life in a different way because
we were always moving around. Wewere a gypsy family, you know what
I mean up until I was aboutfifteen years old and I left and to
do it out on my own right. So religion really never was a thing.
Spirituality, I get it. Iget all of that, and I

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believe that people need that in theirlife more so than a for me myself,
a place that says you have tobe here on this day, you
have to do your your fast andtestimony Sunday once a month, you have
to do your tithings, you haveyou know that that that formula was never

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really for me. So that's aninteresting place to jump off of, Brian,
what would you say to someone likeTid And I've certainly been in that
place throughout the course of my adultlife where it's like, look, I
can have my beliefs, and Ican have my feelings, and I can
have whatever relationship I have with withthe creator. But I don't feel like

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I necessarily have to attend a service. I don't feel like it. Like
there's a lot of people out therethat they go to church for weddings and
funerals and that's about it, right, So if you were trying to to
influence us in some way to openup our hearts and our minds, like

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you can't really give a sales pitchon the spot, But I mean,
what do you say to people thatare a little bit more cynical with their
relationship. I would say, Chris, I'm sorry. I would say that
I'm sorry that you had to gothrough what you went through and had to
deal with religious people, people that, like we talked about before, are

(34:23):
hurting people. Just like as muchas the church thinks that they're helping people,
they're hurting people. And the churchthat you're talking about is they looked
at God like a dictator. Andthe same with Catholicism. Catholicism there's rules,
regulations, you know. They alot of the people that come to
me were practicing, practicing Catholics,and so you know, I would say,

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you know, I was down inMalibu, Malibu, Malibu a few
months ago and I was on theboardwalk, and you know, I saw
this guy with a blowhorn and hisbig sign that said repent for the Kingdom
of God is near and telling homosexualsthey were going to hell, and all
these screaming and just going crazy.I'm sorry for that because that's not that's

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not who Jesus is. And Ihate this, I mean I hate to
say it, but here here's thething, guys, is like what you
if you could, if you coulderase everything that you had to go through
that you went through and say,you know what, I'm gonna listen to
Brian today and give this another shot, but actually do it in a way
that is about a relationship with afather. So Jesus all he wants is

(35:37):
a relationship. That's it. Period. He doesn't want it's not about the
church. Listen, guys, I'veread the Bible from front to back a
thousand times and there is nothing inthe Bible that says go to a church.
Okay, the church is people.We are the church. That's literally
what it means. We are thechurch. And so for anybody to say

(35:58):
you got to go to a buildingand go to church and have all blah
blah blah. I mean I don'thave a problem with church because it is
a community and you get around otherbelievers and you know, do your thing.
That's fine. But going to churchisn't gonna get you into heaven.
Get tithing. Giving your money tothe church isn't gonna get you into heaven.
Good works isn't even gonna get youinto heaven. Jesus says, I

(36:21):
just want a relationship with you.Can you pursue me like you pursue your
wife. Can you pursue me likeyou pursue your kids? Can you pursue
me? That's all I want becauseI'm pursuing you and I want a relationship
with you. And if you'll pursueme, I will bless you. I
will show you so much favor likeyou've never seen before. I'll blow your
flip in mind. It's not aboutthe rules and the regulations. It's about

(36:45):
a relationship with a father that lovesus so dagone much. And the thing
is is like I look at it, and I'm like, my heart hurts
when you tell me that. Myheart hurts that other believers, believers would
take you down a road thinking that'sthe God that we serve, because that's
not the God that we serve.The God we serve is a God that

(37:06):
gives us grace. Literally, thewhole message of the gospel is here's the
gospel. In fifteen seconds, Jesusleft his place. Jesus came to our
place so we could go back withJesus to his place. That's what Jesus
did. He came to our place. He took our place so we could
go back with Jesus to his place. That's the gospel. So the gospel
is grace and grace. The definitionof grace is undeserved favor, unmerited favor.

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None of us deserve it. We'reall dirty, we're all sinful.
I don't care if you've killed someoneor if you've stole a piece of gum
from your mom. We are allsinners the day we come out of the
womb. And the thing is isGod gives us grace. And all these
religions want to judge you for it. But God is saying, I have
given you grace undeserved favor to washall that away from you. And he

(37:54):
says, I'll take it as faras from the east as to the west.
That's a relation. Go ahead,Let me chip in on you because
you said something that you alluded tosomething that again is one of the things
that really sticks in my craw.I think that's a Southern thing right sticks
in my craw. I think that'sI think that's y'all. Craw No,

(38:17):
don't don't let him get away withthis. Another thing I think that's my
favorite part is the more that hedraws it out, the more ridiculous and
offensive will become so pleased. Continuedoe there fine. One of the things
that pisses me off is when Isee people using whether it's you know,
Christians, whether it's a Baptist,whether it's a Roman Catholic, whoever it

(38:42):
is, they use the Bible asa shield to defend lousy behavior. Yeah.
We just ended the month of Juneand I cannot tell you how many
protests I saw here in the cityof Toronto, which by all counts is
a total mosaic of cultures and sexualityand everything. Pride Month in Toronto is

(39:10):
not just a parade on a Sunday. It is everywhere. And you could
argue that it feels that way twelvemonths out of the year because the city
is very welcoming in that way topeople of all creeds, cultures, backgrounds,
orientations, whatever. And I cannottell you how many protests I saw

(39:34):
and how many people I saw holdingup signs at the Pride parade. I'm
watching it on the news. Thesepeople holding up signs you're all gonna burn
in hell. God doesn't you know. God doesn't believe in you, you
know? And man, when Isee that, I just, you know,
what it reminds me of. Haveyou ever seen is a really stupid
movie. But there's a movie bythe guy who makes a lot of pod

(39:59):
heeadstone and move. He's Kevin Smith. He made a movie back in I
think it was like ninety nine calledDogma. If you've never seen it,
it's a fun watch. But thewhole thing is about the concept of the
film is this woman who's lost faithin the church. She's lost faith in
God. She was raised Catholic andshe just decides she doesn't want to go

(40:22):
to church anymore. And then anangel literally comes to her from heaven and
says, look, I know thatyou've lost your faith in God, but
I hate to tell you this.You've got a holy quest to go on.
You are the last descendant of Christand right now there are a couple
of demons who have escaped from Helland they're trying to enter this church in

(40:45):
New Jersey. If they do it, they are going to receive forgiveness.
You know, because they were kickedout of the Kingdom of Heaven by God
centuries ago, and they're trying toundo God's will, which will really just
unmake the universe. You have totravel to New Jersey and stop these these

(41:07):
people from crossing the threshold and enteringthe church and being forgiven, and the
whole thing is crazy. And oneof the people that she actually comes in
contact with on her quest is ChrisRock, who plays the part of Rufus,
the Black Disciple that says he sayshe was omitted from the Bible,

(41:29):
but he has a great line thatI've never forgotten and he says, you
know, God still digs humanity,but it bothers him to see how many
things are carried out in his name. And he talks about wars and bigotry
and televangelism, and he says,the factioning of religions. You know,
humanity took a good idea and ruinedit by building a belief structure. And

(41:55):
he said, it's more important tohave an idea than a belief. And
I thought, man, that's aninteresting concept. And it's a stupid stoner
movie, but the messaging behind itreally hit for me. You know,
and it was fascinating. I know, I just threw a lot at you.

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But essentially, the concept of peopleusing the Bible as a as a
shield and looking at it like thisfrom start to finish is fundamental truth.
And it is and it is.You know, you cannot debate anything that's

(42:38):
in the book, Like, howdo you respond to that? Man?
Well, I would say, let'sgo back to everyett because this could sum
it all up. So let's goback to grace. Okay, just just
seriously, just follow me here.So, if we were living back in
the Old Testament, you all thoughtthere's five of us. Yeah, no,

(43:00):
there's four of us. I'm sorry, you're from Kentucky. I get
it. There's five of us.So in the Old Testament, all every
one of us, if we werestill living back in that day and followed

(43:22):
the rhythm, we would all haveto go find a ram or a lamb,
something spotless or pure every year andbring it to the high priest at
the temple and have it sacrificed andthen and then you know, we would
be good for a year. Wecould go sin and do all the crazy
things that we were going to dobecause that you know, but here's the
thing. Then Jesus God's like,I'm gonna send my own son. He's

(43:45):
gonna come. He's going to paythe ultimate price, and then you're not
going to be sacrificing anything anymore.He's going to pay the ultimate sacrifice.
And so he goes to the cross. You guys know the story goes to
the cross, resurrects on the thirdday, and and you know he leaves
us his Holy Spirit, God Father, Holy Spirit three and one. So

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now he's what he's telling us,Donnie, Chris Christmas is is I have
left you grace. So I havegiven you grace. Now the question that
you said, Donnie, this iswhere it hits. So when we have
grace and we literally understand what Jesusactually did for us, I don't want

(44:28):
to go out and live a crazylife. I don't want to go out
and hurt people. I don't wantto go out and do those things because
I've understood what the Father did forme. I should be in jail,
I should be dead, but heredeemed me. He saved me, and
he forgave me from all of that. And I have billionaires tell me,
they're like, this is the numberone question for billionaires. You know,

(44:52):
Brian, I've made a lot ofmoney and I've never made a lot of
money by believing something that's too goodto be true. That's what they say
to me. And what I comeback to them and I'll say to them
is listen. That's what That's whatblows people's mind about Christianity, about faith,
because it takes faith. It takesit. Like doubting Thomas. Doubting

(45:15):
Thomas walked with Jesus and then whenhe when he resurrected, Thomas was looking
straight at him and still didn't flipand believe. He was like, I
got to touch you. And sosome of us today were like, man,
Jesus, would you, if you'rereal, would you just show up
in my crib because I need totouch you, like doubting Thomas. And
the thing is is it takes faith. It takes faith to believe and coming
to Christ in faith. But thething is is when you realize grace and

(45:39):
you understand how powerful grace is andhow undeserving it is, and you look
at the Father for what he didfor each and every one of us,
you want to live right, Youwant to live And you said something about
like protesters. I dude, protestersdrive me absolutely crazy. And this may
get get me canceled as well,but who cares. I'm with anybody else

(46:04):
on this show. It's cool.Is my name is Christmas is for it
is any is. Anyone can speak, but you have to earn the right
to be heard. Anyone can speak, but you have to earn the right
to be heard. And so yougo out there and you protest, and
that's your right. God bless youdo what you got to do. But

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you and I don't even go.And this is why a lot of the
people that I work with, Idon't go to them and be like,
let me tell you about Jesus herein Matthew chapter eight, verse forty two.
That's not what I do. Becauseanybody can speak, but you have
to earn the right to be heard. And so those people that are protesting,
I don't give a crap what you'reprotesting or what you're saying. You

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haven't earned the right to speak intomy life. You have to earn it.
And so the thing is, isthis the same way with the Gospel.
It's the same way with the Wordof God. And so for me,
how do I earn it? Howdo I earn the right to speak
in Chris and Donnie and Christmas's life. It starts by your story. You
tell your story. That's how youearn the right. You communicate, you

(47:10):
talk to people. I don't goand tell people talk to people about the
Bible, just like we would bedoing right here, just straight up.
No, I get on a callwith them, I'll meet with them in
person, and then I tell themmy story because I believe your story is
the bridge to another person's heart thatI believe Jesus can walk across and save.

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And that's my ultimate goal. Iwant people to have that relationship with
the Father because I know what it'sdone for me. It saved my life.
It transformed my life. It broughtme from the pit of hell,
complete brokenness, and it transformed mylife. Man, Christmas Joy, you
want to jump in, don't you? Like you've been silent? So I

(47:52):
want to give you the floor aswell. Well. I want to touch
on the protesters because that really ithurts very heart because ultimately, and this
is from my experience, what Ilove Brian. He's doing a great job,
you know, just really kind ofexpanding on people's conventional idea of of
what religion is. But they've compartmentalizedspirituality into religion, and I think that

(48:20):
there's those are two different things.And I, you know, I had
a really bad experience with religion,which it seems like by tit and you
you both did as well, andeven I mean even Brian, and you
know, I think the bigger questionof what you're asking is like, if
they're doing it in God's name,why is it so hateful? Right?

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So, like why do we disownthis sliver or this portion or this cut
of humanity of humans because of X, Y Z. Who can I don't
want to get into Y or whateverthose reasons are, But it's because for
me and my experience or from whatI understand of God, is that they

(49:02):
have not understood one grace to thelove of God and the purest, truest
form of what it is meant tobe. And when you kind of put
your defenses down and I surrender,like I'm not in charge of my life.
I keep trying to drive, andthen I steer myself off the road,

(49:24):
like me let me, you know, we can be all here all
night about all the stories of methinking that I high control of my life.
And God's going that's not it,and he will destroy what you have
made for yourself if it is nothis plan. And when I say that,
it's like, you know, Donnie, we talk on a regular basis.
You know, things keep blowing upin my face because I think I

(49:46):
have the illusion of control of what'sgoing on in my life when it's not
my purpose because I'm not living.That's not going to give me. Those
decisions of my life are not goingto put me in the path that I
have the biggest impact to help peopleunderstand true, unconditional love of God.
And when you see these protesters wehad, like last week, I was

(50:09):
in a church that I love goingto here locally in clear Water and dun
Edin. The pastor I had neverhad experience with protesters before, and he
was teary eyed, and I waslike, this is what you know.
I've spoken out about a lot ofgroups for a long time, but he
had never been head on with thattype of hate and he was so emotional

(50:30):
about it because he just couldn't fathomit. When you live in love and
you I remember Brian and I wewere having a conversation. I was coming
across the bridge and it was soprofound to me. He was like,
I don't want to just know Jesus. I want to live like Jesus lived
in the sense of I give unconditionalgrase, I hold people accountable, but
I'm not the judge and jury.By the way, I am going to

(50:53):
have healthy boundaries, but I'm goingto lead with love. I'm going to
live in love, and I'm goingto have as much and give as much
as I possibly can. And forme, I just think that those protesters,
they just they're missing the picture andquicksidebar I want to share is many
years ago. This is going backto the time when Tit and I first

(51:14):
started getting to know each other.So like sixty seventy years ago, there
was the Pride Parade was happening inToronto. And I always consider myself to
be a supporter despite being a heteroman, because I believe that all people
should be treated with respect and dignity. I don't really care who you are

(51:35):
or what it is you're doing inyour life. That's just my personal belief.
And I remember running into this womanand she was just chastising everyone.
She was a woman in her fortiesor fifties. She was chastising everyone.
Ah, you're all going to goto hell all and I'm like, and
I literally just stood up and Isaid, just leave them alone. Oh

(51:57):
you're one of them too. Andshe drops the F word on me,
the one that's a slur for gaypeople. She drops that on me.
And I said, listen, youdon't know who I am. You don't
know what my deal is. I'mjust saying, treat people with respect.
And she's like, you need toread your Bible, and you know what,
you could come with me on Sundayand I'll teach you a thing or

(52:20):
two. And I said, thisis what I said to her. I
said, I have read your Bible, and I know that in the Bible
it says that no woman shall everteach a man anything. And oh boy,
she had no response. He hadno power. And I said,
don't come at me like I haven'tread the Bible, honey, like I've

(52:43):
read it front to back two becauseI had to. And the other thing
I want to share is, Brian, you're reminding me a lot. This
is the first time in god knowshow like the last time I had a
conversation like this, I was inhigh school when I was a part of
my school. Student I used torun a lot of these fundraising type events

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and one of the events we ranit was called a wakathon. What a
stupid thing we did. It waslike we had to stay awake for thirty
six hours straight, a bunch ofhigh school kids in a school on a
weekend. I mean really, itwas just it was, yeah, there
was no red Bull. This wasjust an excuse to hang out. Yeah,

(53:25):
this was an excuse to hang outwith the girl you had a crush
on NonStop for thirty six hours andand you know, oh, yeah,
we're raising money for Somalia as well, but you know, like it was
kind of just a goofy thing.One of the things that, because I
was at a Catholic school, oneof the things they required as part of
the event so it's not just aparty, was we had to have a

(53:45):
liturgy. And I said, okay, well, how about we we compromise
and we do a pair of liturgy, so like I'll run it and it
won't necessarily be a mass, It'lljust be a celebration. And they said,
okay, fine, And then atthe eleventh hour they said, the
priest that serves the community for theschool you're going to. He's gonna pop

(54:07):
in around one or two o'clock inthe morning. And I'm like, oh,
for the love of God, wedon't need a priest jumping it.
But he did. His name wasFather Terry Gallagher, and Father Terry Gallagher
came in and he watched us doour little para liturgy and he enjoyed it,
and then he said, if it'sokay with all of you, I'd

(54:27):
like to do a little sermon anddo a little Mass. And we said
sure, so he did. Andhe noticed when he was doing his typical
Catholic church call and response tight partsof a Mass, he saw the look
on my face when everyone is like, and Peace be with you, and
the Lord be with you, andeveryone's like saying it because it's been programmed

(54:52):
in their head since birth. Hesees the look on my face like,
I'm not digging this man. Soafterwards he pulls me aside. He goes,
you don't like this, do youlike? I'll be honest, like,
the words don't mean anything to me. I'm just saying them because we're
supposed to. He goes, then, don't say it. What do you
want to say? He's like,instead of saying peace be with you,

(55:14):
what do you want to say.I'm like, I don't want to say
anything. He's like, then don'tsay anything. I want you just to
be comfortable with yourself. And thisguy put his arm around me, Brian,
and he talked to me about lookingat religion in a completely different way,
and it was the fra It blewmy mind. And he said he

(55:35):
goes anyone that looks at the Bibleas a piece of funt of foundationally correct
truths is lying to themselves. Andif they're using it as a barometer to
guide their life, they have toquestion themselves. Because the world was a
different place twenty years ago in termsof our our social beliefs, so of

(55:57):
course it was going to be differenttwo thousand years ago. Are the things
that we allowed and didn't allow?And I was like, yeah, this
guy was like speaking to me,he was really connecting with me. And
they dated for three years. Yeah, sadly, but a backhanded compliment.

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No, it really is, Brian, it really is. Because I've had
a complicated relationship with the church fora long long time. And I mentioned
to you off air that I hadfamily that asked me to get ordained and
performed services for them, perform weddingsfor them, and I did because they
asked me to. But my ownrelationship with the church has been complicated forever.

(56:40):
Well, I think I think,I think, Donnie, I think
that's I think that's the issue asI think what you just said. You
said, my relationship with the church. Mm hmmm, that's that's that's that's
you see what I'm saying, becausethat's because that's not what this is about.
Because that's what the that's what theworld wants you to think. That's
what religion wants you to think.But it's not that. It's your relationship

(57:02):
with the Father. That's it.Period. Explanation point, explanation point.
That's all he wants. And soyou know you said, you know,
at the end of the day,me and me and Christmas, we were
texting back and forth this week andalways talking to Christmas, and you know,
we were talking about how love wins. Love wins. I mean,
at the end of the day,that's what That's what that priest did to

(57:23):
you. He loved you. Andthat's like the thing when people come over
from Catholicism over to me, theysay listen. You know you're praying is
really weird, Like what is that? And I'm like, I'm just talking
to my father, Like I don'thave to have a rehearsed scripture. And

(57:43):
I think that's the thing is Ihave. You know, if I'm hurting
or I'm struggling, I'm crying out, I'm laying on my face whatever,
you know, and I'm having aconversation. I'm the weird guy in the
car driving down the road on thehighway. When you look over and he's
talking to himself, that's because I'mtalking to my father, you know what
I'm saying. And that's because he'sdoing stuff for me. He's moving in
my life. He just wants thatintimacy and that relationship with me. Now

(58:06):
you talked about pride and gays,like, let's let's let's get into it,
right, Let's let's jump into it. I'm not scared. Like,
here's the thing. I coach plentyof gay people, celebrities that are gay.
You know, probably fifteen years ago, probably close to fifteen years ago.
I don't know if you heard ofty Herndon. Ty Herndon is one
of my longest clients. He's oneof the biggest country singers in the game.

(58:30):
He was he was out of Nashville, and so he I'm coaching him,
I'm working with him. Don't knowthat he's gay. And he calls
me up and he's crying, andhe says, Brian, I'm getting ready
to go on entertainment tonight and I'mgoing to tell the world that I'm gay.

(58:50):
And he said, I wanted totell you because I know you're gonna
want to drop me. That's whathe said to me. I know you're
gonna want to drop me because inhis head, just like most people on
the planet, it's all about religion. It's all about God as a dictator,
not a loving father. And Istarted crying, and Tis crying,

(59:10):
and I go, TI, areyou crazy? I love you? You're
my guy. I love you,dude. I'm here for you. I'm
supporting you. I'll be right therewith you on entertainment tonight, supporting you.
Brother. You're You're my man.And and he just and he's still
to this day. I'm leaving forNashville next week. I'm gonna be hanging
out with Tie and he's married nowto a dude, and you know,

(59:35):
and they're talking about and they're talkingabout adopting kids. He's a I mean,
and so I who am I?Who? Who the heck am I
to judge you? Who the heck? I am nobody? I am nobody.
I'm just I'm supposed to love you. I'm supposed to serve you.
Listen, Jesus Christ, he probablywouldn't to be allowed in churches in the

(01:00:00):
world. They run him out.They run him out, Seriously. That's
the problem, right, Jesus,what you're talking about flipping tables over?
He like the church today, TheyJesus would roll up in there and they'd
be like, bro, you gotto go. That's what they would say
to do, right, would begetting arrested together because because Christmas, because

(01:00:24):
people don't get it. And that'swhat I would tell you, Chris,
That's what I would tell you,Donnie, is that if you shifted your
focus and you said, you knowwhat, I know, I've been through
some craziness. I know I've beenthrough this religious stuff and these cults and
all this bull crap. But I'mgoing to erase that from my memory and
I'm gonna give it a shot togain to learn about a loving father that

(01:00:44):
loves me that doesn't care about allthis other stuff, that just wants an
intimate relationship with me, and thenI guarantee you life shifts and changes.
Did It's a it's an interesting approach, No, it really is. And
I'm sure that it's not something thata lot of people are all of a

(01:01:04):
sudden like whoop an overnight yep,make the switch, you know what I
mean, Like you have to doa whole lot of like self reflection I
think at the same time, right, especially especially when there's so many things
like religion and spirituality have always alwaysgone hand in hand for the most part,

(01:01:27):
you know what I mean. Iwant to get into it because I
know that we are we're talking forever, and we could probably do this for
hours and hours and hours. Butthe reason that you're here is because you
deal with a lot of influencers.You deal with a lot of you know,
I'm throwing the air quotes up therebecause I don't even know what qualifies

(01:01:49):
as celebrity anymore, not us,right, you know? So? But
why, like, for lack ofa better phrase, what the hell makes
influencers so special that you know you'reonly focusing on them? Yeah, well
I'll answer that that's a good question. I'm actually that's a great question.
I'm glad you brought that up,and it's gonna I think it's gonna ask

(01:02:10):
answer the first question. That wasthe second question. Now, so I'm
laying in bed eight years ago,Okay, at the top of my game,
guys literally houses, cars, hotwife, ministries, booming money.
How hot. You can't see thepicture behind him? She's have You're not

(01:02:31):
paid attention to the conversation life heswitched. I might have become a pastor
too, bro So, So I'mlike literally at the top of the game,
traveling the globe, teaching people howto do what God is using me

(01:02:53):
to do. Okay, because I'mI'm just a vessel. I'm literally I've
seen it. I had guys.I didn't know celebrities. I didn't know
anybody with a name. Okay.My best friends were horses, cows,
pigs, and goats. I wasraised on a farm. Those are my
best friends. I didn't actually rightnow, you're going to say wars.

(01:03:15):
He said, you started saying horses. I thought you were. Yeah,
we had the same friends. Okay, sorry, very guidance too. I
think she was actually close tom SoWe're gonna have to have follow up segments

(01:03:37):
on this, because you ain't kidding. We could go for hours. But
so so I'm so, I'm layingin bed and I have a dream and
now I know that it's a Goddream. Okay, very vivid. I
can see the whole picture. Andit was a picture of me walking with
high level people, just celebrities,big names. I could see. It

(01:04:00):
was just this fame, it wasthis influence. And I'll get to why
here in a minute. And soI'm like, this is crazy. This
can't be then maybe this is justsome other. This has got to be
the devil. This can't be justsome This can't be a God dream.
So I ran from it. Iliterally ran from it, continued down the
path of craziness and went to continuewith the Dream Center because everything was great,

(01:04:21):
money was great. And then onThanksgiving I got shot at. But
we don't have a lot of time, so I won't go into that.
I got shot at, and Ifound out that maybe this, maybe this
is God showing me, hey,you can't run fast enough for far enough
when I've called you to do something. I still didn't listen. After being
shot at in the ghetto, thenbecause I didn't listen. Then I had

(01:04:44):
some real issues. After a CrossFitworkout Christmas, he was doing like CrossFit
games. When I was doing this, this was great. I was watching
her and so you know, Iwas Me and my wife were doing CrossFit
and we were doing heavy deadlifts.And I came home late one night and
had some lower back pain and foundout that God's Plan A is humility.
God's Plan B is humiliation. That'swhat I found out the hard way because

(01:05:09):
I wasn't listening, I wasn't obeying, and I knew at this time it
was God. I knew deep,but I didn't want to run away from
the money. I didn't want torun away from what God had already blessed
me with. And so this isreally disgusting. I'll just say it and
you can just we'll move on.But anyway, no, not in my
pants. So but it's pretty grosslike that. So I woke up in

(01:05:33):
the middle of the night. Mywife said it was a pulled muscle.
It was not. I got rushedto the er and the doctor walked in
and said that you have an absessthe size of a softball inside of your
rectum and that the surgery was goingto be the most painful thing you've ever
gone through, and the recovery wasgoing to put you in bed for three

(01:05:55):
months and you would be bedridden.And I was the face of my organization,
and now I was being removed frommy organization because of it. That's
when I found out God's plan bewas humiliation. And so I laid in
bed cursing God, mad at God, because God, that's okay, you
could go. And Jeremiah yelled atGod for six chapters in the Bible.

(01:06:17):
God's okay with us yelling at him. He's okay with us crying at him.
He just wants it. He actuallyit makes him happy because we are
talking to him and we usually don't. And so I for three months,
I just watched every Netflix show,every Prime video. And at the end
of three months, I was layingin the field again basically, but I

(01:06:38):
was in my bed. I hada field moment and I say, God,
I'll do whatever you want me todo. And so the dream he
gave was that he wanted me tobe a pastor. What I was doing
in the church to high level individuals. The reason that I know now,
I didn't know it at this Atthe time, was this the people in
the church. I was reaching tensof thousands. I but because of what

(01:07:00):
I'm doing now reaching high level people, their followings are to the masses.
I literally coach people that have hundredsof millions of followers, and if I
can speak into their life and Ican give them the love and grace of
Jesus and their lives can be radicallytransformed. Ultimately, what they're going to

(01:07:25):
do is make an impact on theirfollowing. And so now I'm literally seeing
the masses. I'm seeing transformation notjust happen in the high level people that
I'm working with, but now intheir following. And I can actually see
the picture of what God has donein my life and what He's done for
these people. And so I havenever you could check this out. I've

(01:07:45):
never run ads. I literally juststarted a funnel for my group coaching.
But here's the thing. I wasalways word of mouth. I went to
two Cincinnati Bengals and three Cincinnati Redswhen God gave me this dream, and
I said, this is the dreamhe gave me. What do you think
And they said, that's amazing,because every single person in the church is

(01:08:06):
what I've found because I was thesame way is is. I would go
into the church and I always wantedto sit with the pastor. I just
wanted to like because I didn't.I didn't want to just be in the
crowd like. I wanted him tolike mentor me and coach me and teach
me about this Jesus and I.And in today's world, pastors, megachurch

(01:08:29):
pastors, celebrity pastors are untouchable andthey're they're more like rock star pastors.
There's untouchable. And I didn't wantthat, And I said, how can
I go in? And and thesethese influencers were like, I want to
work with somebody one on one.I don't go to church. I don't
have time to go to church.I don't want to watch it online.

(01:08:49):
I want someone to do life withme and walk with me and coach me
and teach me. And I listen, guys, I have found that we
all. I mean, if youwant to get healthy, you hire Christmas,
you hire a health coach. Ifyou want to get if you want
to if you want to get smarter, and you want to get your mind
right, you go hire a mindsetcoach. Why are we not the most

(01:09:13):
important thing is our soul. Whyin the world do we don't have a
soul coach, a spiritual coach,someone that brings it all together. The
Bible says body, mind, andspirit, but we are only worried about
body and mind. If that andso spirit, you bring the spirit in.
And what I have found with thepeople that I have worked with,
they have all the money in theworld and tons of fame, and they

(01:09:36):
can go anywhere in the world,and they come to me, guys,
and they still have a void intheir life. They have avoid in their
life. I can almost guarantee thatyou, guys, understand what I'm saying,
because if I told you tomorrow thatthe iPhone sixteen plus is coming out,
you couldn't wait to get the iPhonesixteen plus, and you'd run to
Apple. You'd buy the iPhone sixteen, You bring it back to your house,

(01:10:00):
you play with it for two hours, and then in two hours the
void would come back. And you'rewondering, how do I fill the void?
Well, the wealthiest of the wealthiest, the most successful people are just
like the people that live under thebridge. And I believe that void is
filled with spirit. And I believewhen we fill it with the spirit of
the Living God. It can radicallytransform your life. And I can tell

(01:10:23):
you from people that were atheists fromall different denominations, all different religions that
I work with, have filled itand put got everything back in alignment.
And now they are seeing complete transformation. They are happier than they've ever been
before because they're filling that one spot. And a lot of us will live

(01:10:43):
our whole lives without that void,with that void in our lives and never
realizing what it was. And Ithink I'm just here to tell you guys,
Jesus is pursuing you, and hejust wants you to pursue him back.
And it's a love thing. It'snot a church thing. And you
know what, You're right, Itdoesn't happen overnight to some. It doesn't
like, Hey, guys, you'regonna accept Jesus tonight. Who wants to

(01:11:05):
accept Jesus, raise your hand.We're going to take an offering. That's
not the way it works. Whatit works is is that this is a
relationship. So a lot of thepeople come to me just like you are
are where you're at, Chris,and they'll say, I don't like God
at all. I don't even believeit. And it'll take months of me
walking with them until they immediately eventuallywill have an encounter with God because now

(01:11:29):
they're heads in the right space andthey're like, I just want to learn
about this loving Father that this homeboy'stalking about. And God, if you
want to have an encounter with me, bring it please, because I need
to know. And he always showsup. It's interesting. Can you explain
to me one thing, though,why I'm so good looking? Well,

(01:11:51):
I already figured that out. That'sthat Kentucky water. It makes mighty fine
bourbon too, son, don't getit twisted. All right? Now,
there you go in in the Bible, twelve disciples, why do they all
have white guys names? Serious?Brian ted is talking about it, and

(01:12:23):
that is the first step. Okay, you do have conversation. I would
I would go, I would goto this, to this. So a
lot of people say that Jesus waswhite, but I would say that all
of them were very dark complexed,very dark complexed, well, every single
one of them. And so Iwatched the Bible too many times, right,

(01:12:43):
I think it's like it's anyone thatthinks that Jesus was as white as
me. You're crazy, Okay.I think Jesus was mixed, and I
think there was a reason why hedid it. And I think we should
all take a little taste of ofwhat he's teaching here, because I think
everyone in the Bible was darker thanwhite. Okay, so we'll geography dictates

(01:13:03):
bro right right, exactly, justexactly. I know it's stupid, but
you just reminded me. I don'tknow why, but it just popped my
head. Another line from that reallystupid stoner movie Dogma, which by the
way, I recommend to everyone togo watch it if you want to have
a laugh. There's a line inthere where the woman who's identified as the

(01:13:24):
last descendant of Christ, she says, but Christ had no descendants. What
are you talking about? And thisprophet says, no, no, no,
you are the last great great,great, great, great great great
whatever grand niece of Jesus Christ.But Jesus didn't have any siblings. And

(01:13:44):
Chris Rock has a line and hesays, look, to believe that Mary
had an immaculate conception is faith.To think that Joseph, for the rest
of his life never got down isignorant? Lord, And I'm like,
God, bless this movie. Yeah, I mean right, you may need

(01:14:06):
to implement this into your your homeworkof what you give people to be like,
hey, look it doesn't have tobe perfect. Look what it is.
I think, you know, Ithink that's my my biggest struggle is
is like, you know, Itell people all the time, like,
so even for an example, Ilove Carl Lenz. Carl Lentz. You
know, obviously you guys probably knowHillsong pastor. You know, he falls

(01:14:30):
in New York City, and andand and and and what's the headline the
New York Times. The headline says, another pastor fallen from grace. That's
not biblical. You know what thearticle should have said, another pastor fallen
into grace, because that's what happened. That's what Jesus did. We don't

(01:14:56):
fall out of grace. We fallinto grace. We're all gonna make mistakes,
even all of us that are strivingto be better and do good.
We're still never gonna be perfect,We're still gonna sind we're still gonna have
issues, but we fall into gracebecause that's how special grace is. And
so I love Carl to death andhe's coming back and shout out to him.

(01:15:19):
But you know he fell into grace, he didn't fall out of grace.
And you know another thing, guys, is that it's getting an alignment.
You know, I've found with alot of celebrities as they'll come to
me, and the Bible actually teachesthat the perfect alignment is God first,

(01:15:40):
family, second, everything else third, and so if any of those are
out of alignment, you're literally notfunctioning, functioning at one hundred percent.
So I go to a chiropractor.I have him on my pay roll.
He comes to my house, andmy chiropractor comes here because I get out
of alignment, and so I don'tfunction properly at one hundred percent. Christmas

(01:16:01):
would know this being an athlete,unless I'm at one hundred percent. Why
are we not spiritually in alignment?Do you realize? Seriously? Why would
I sit here and tell you thatthe wealthiest people on the planet are realizing
that they have avoid in their lifeand it's spiritual and when they fell it,

(01:16:26):
their lives are completely changed. I'vehad I've had people come to me
and their alignment is family first,everything else second, God third, they're
out of alignment. It doesn't function, it won't flow right. And so
it's like this current. We havethis current, and I want you to
think of a current. Well,what happens in this current is there's these
blockages, these blockages in these thesein this current. And so we have

(01:16:47):
this direct when we accept the Fatherinto our life, when we said Jesus,
I accept, I'll live for you, I'll walk with you. You're
my daddy. What happens is isnow he drops the Holy Spirit on us.
We have this full current, thisfull access to him. But then
we in the flesh start having allthese things that come out of order and

(01:17:08):
out of whack, and so itjacks up this current. And so literally
God wants to bless us, andhe wants to flow blessings in favor to
us, but the current is jackedup. Everything's out of alignment in our
lives. And I would go tosay, anybody, Chris, Donnie,
Chris, I guarantee you, ifyou worked with me for six months,

(01:17:29):
you would be in complete alignment withGod, family, and everything else.
Third, and I guarantee you anyvoid that you had in your life would
be filled if you would just givethe access and say God, I'm going
to give Jesus an opportunity here.It would change your line. I'm tempted
to take you up on that becauseI'll tell you this, and I know
we're up against the clock and wegot to wrap this. But Ted knows

(01:17:49):
this very well, because Ted's knownme my entire life pretty much the last
ten Oh would you say, said, I'm pretty much. It's been almost
ten years now. Christmas Day ofthis year will mark ten years since I

(01:18:11):
lost my dad on Christmas Day.And if there was ever a better I
know everyone says this about their parents, if there was ever a better human
that walked this earth, I nevermet them. And my dad worked full
time for a living from the ageof ten, okay, and he retired
at the age of sixty six.And he had less than one year retirement

(01:18:33):
before he got hit with cancer.And then he went from being perfectly healthy,
seemingly to being put into a medicallyinduced coma the next day, being
in the hospital for eight weeks,and we lost him on Christmas Day.
And ever since that time, I'venot been able to celebrate Christmas. I've

(01:18:54):
not been able to function. Iused to go to church on Christmas Eve.
I can't. I struggle, andthen it felt like losing my dad
was the beginning of a whole bunchof other things that happened in my life.
And I thought, if there's aGod right now, maybe he's punishing

(01:19:16):
me. This is People talk aboutkarma, people talk about you know,
these sorts of things, and I'mlike, you know, someone said to
me the other day, literally thisweek, said, man, the universe
is against you right now. I'mlike, yeah, it feels that way.
And I hear what you're saying,Brian, and I want so badly
to attach to this because I needit. I need an emotional and spiritual

(01:19:42):
life preserver right now because I don'ttalk about my shit on the air,
but there's plenty of it, andChristmas knows some and Tid knows a whole
lot. And I'm at the pointwhere it's like, hey, God,
I'm here. If you want to, if you want to help dig me
out of this, I want.I want to tell you this, and

(01:20:03):
I want to share this with you. And if this could be the last
loyal, last thing that, ifthis could be the even, if this
could be the last thing that Icould say, I hope that this I
hope this touches all of your hearts. And this will follow up on,
Donnie, everything that you were saying. Christmas has heard this because she has

(01:20:25):
to hear the stuff that I say, because we talk is the is,
the enemy is necessary. The enemyis necessary, and and and and so
I want to take you guys backfor a second. Jesus is getting ready
to be crucified. He's in thewilderness and and his homeboy, Peter,

(01:20:46):
his right hand Peter is his bestfriend. He he he walks up to
Jesus. Jesus is struggling. He'sprobably I can imagine he's probably stressing.
I mean, he knows he's gettingready to be tortured, beaten, spat
upon, and crucified. And Petercomes up to him and he says,
Jesus, you got to get outof here. They're coming, the Roman

(01:21:10):
Guards, the High priests, they'recoming. They're going to kill you.
And Jesus looks at him and hesays, get behind me, Satan,
Now watch this Judas. Everybody knowsJudas that backstab in Judas. Judas comes
up with the Roman guards and thehigh priest and he walks up and they

(01:21:31):
come up to Jesus and the highpriest throw the gold and silver at his
feet, and Jesus walks up toJudas and he kisses him on the cheek,
and he calls him friend, Peter, his friend. His actual friend
was trying to take Jesus out ofhis God given destiny. Judas, the

(01:21:53):
enemy was elevating Jesus into his Godgiven destiny to save the entire world.
The enemy is necessary what we gothrough in our lives, the craziness that
happens in our lives. God useseverything for our good. Everything. It
doesn't matter if it's death, itdoesn't matter if it's pain, it doesn't
matter what it is losing something.God said, I will use it for

(01:22:15):
your good. He didn't say I'lluse some things. He said I will
use all things for your good.And so when the enemy comes in like
a flood, when hell comes inlike a flood, God says, I'm
going to use it for your goodbecause the enemy don't understand how smart I
am. The enemy is necessary toelevate you, Donnie, you, Chris,

(01:22:36):
you Christmas into your God given destiny. And so when we look at
it that way, and we lookat God that way, it shakes and
changes everything up in our lives.Everything starting reaching out. You should become
a pastor. It's a good idea, tid you should look into that.

(01:23:04):
Listen, Brian Hall, thank youfor taking the time out. I know
we've run over time. Let everyoneknow out there if they want to find
out more about you and what youdo, where can they go? Yeah?
Just go to you know, goto Brian Hall on Instagram. Instagram
is where I work with so manypeople, and it'll shift you over to
like my group coaching and one onone coaching and stuff like that. But

(01:23:25):
just go to Instagram Brian Hall withan I, b R I in Hall
h A L L. Do youhave to say Brian with an I?
Isn't that just standard spelling? Doyou have to know? Yes? Every
time, I always have to saywith an I because everybody spells it with
a flip and y and then theynever find me a Canadian asshole that Adams.
Yeah, I always have to sayChristmas, like the holiday. You

(01:23:48):
know they spell Christmas what h An u A k A h spell hanakah.
Shut up? So we're all goodhere, he thought, Tonica,

(01:24:10):
whatever they didn't teach you how tospell on that gypsy Commune. That's true.
Hey, can I give do youmind? Do you mind if I
pray for you guys on the wayout? Please? I need it,
and I'll pray for your viewers.Is that okay? Yeah? Absolutely,
go ahead, all right, Jesus, we love you, Father God.

(01:24:30):
I just hold up right now,Donnie Chris, Christmas to you, Father
God. I hold up that anyviewer that may watch this, Father God,
that it's not about religion, thatit's just about a relationship, a
relationship with you. God. Leteveryone know that you are madly in love
with them. Father God. Ipray for my brothers right now, specifically

(01:24:51):
that God, anything that's coming againstthem, I cancel the assignment of the
devil. I cancel any curse,generational curse, witchcraft, man, woman
or child that's coming against them orspeaking against them, I cancel it and
bind it in the name of Jesus. I pray that you fill them with
the spirit of the Living God.I pray for elevation and blessings and breakthrough.

(01:25:11):
I pray that this show goes andmoves mountains, I mean literally goes
to levels like Joe Rogan's never seen. I pray God that you elevate it
to a whole another level. Father, God, that you bless Christmas,
that you keep them all safe.Pray I pray with their families and let
them know right now that the enemyis necessary. It is necessary to elevate

(01:25:32):
them into their God given destiny.So let us look at it like that.
Father, thank you for the opportunityto speak on this show. I
pray God that it blesses someone inJesus name. Amen. Amen, Brian,
thank you, you can be biggerthan your Rogan. Come on with
it. Don't be surprised if Isliding your DMS and try to get some

(01:25:54):
free mentorship. Okay, hey,you got it here. Christmas is brand,
You're my friend. Thank you.Everybody awesome, Thank you Christmas.
Wow. You look at you,back to back bangers on the godfathers of
podcasting, bringing guests that just bringthe heat. I just I'm just happy

(01:26:15):
to be part of this. Youknow, like you said, everybody needs
opposition. And you and I talkall the time. You know the struggles
that I've been to recently, andyou got to lean into something and I
wasn't it anymore. But I'd gladto talk to you about that. I
meant to talk to you about thatregarding your struggles. TMZ called me and
there's an article coming out tomorrow.I'm sorry. They paid me really well,

(01:26:38):
they didn't pay me. That's becauseI lied and made up a bunch
of stuff. You want me thefirst one. I would never do that.
I love Christmas. No. Ijust want to say thank you,
guys, because I know that,like you don't this Brian an unexpected type

(01:27:00):
of guests for your show, andI was I think that you guys was
I think you guys are just Imean maybe not. Maybe he's supposed to
be there well, unexpected of whatyou normally would have and you know,
I just I love I love him. He's actually, let me tell you,

(01:27:21):
he started sending me messages six yearsago, six years ago when I
started this hillacious journey on things thatI'm not allowed to talk about yet,
and uh, you know, itjust was it just always made me feel
good. It was right on timeevery single time, and I was just
like, man, Eventually I waslike, who are you? And just

(01:27:45):
somebody believed in me when nobody elsedid, including myself. Well, you
know what, you underestimate yourself becausethere is a large community that fully believes
in Christmas. Joy Abe, I'lltell you thank you. If there's any
people that aren't sure of that,go listen to episode one last week and

(01:28:06):
you can hear Josh Martinez just waxingpoetic about his bff Joy, and I
will tell you all out there,Christmas is not what the uh what the
Big Brother fans will tell you interms of being this miserable, nasty person.
She is one of my favorite humanson this earth. I like her

(01:28:30):
so much more than Tid, soso much more. Again, but necessary,
it is necessary, Oh man.I just appreciate you, you know,
giving me the chance to be onhere with you guys and tit.
I'm so happy to see you andBlast all the time every time. It's

(01:28:50):
an open door policy for you.Christmas. You know that you don't even
need an invite. You just sayI'm coming this week and that's it.
I love it. Thank you,guys, Christmas. I know that you
got your little boy running around overthere begging for attention. I saw him
giving mommy kisses a few minutes ago, which was adorable. So go ahead,
ten to your ten tier, beautifulbaby. Tell everyone out there one

(01:29:13):
more time if they want to findout about Christmas Abbot. Where can they
go TMZ, I don't do it. They're all it's not all lies,
but it's all not wonderful. Christmasabbatdot com at Christmas Abbat as you see
here, and uh, just yourevery day Google there you go, Google
machine. Just don't hit the imagesbecause stuff might show up that you know,

(01:29:41):
I'm just saying saying anything answer that. We sensor. We censor a
lot. Yeah, clean the internetup. Uh, thank you, my
friend. You know I love youand thank you for hanging out. Absolutely
you guys, have a great night. Bye, she goes everyone Christmas joy.
Hey, all right, let's wrapthis whole thing up in a tight

(01:30:01):
bow. Donnie, how tight tight? Okay, like a tweet, like
a twiger. Okay, that's tit. I'm Donnie. We out, but
this ship I'm mount, but thisship I'm mount. No, thanks,
don't mumy. I'm gonna just grabmyself and lease excuse me. Please fuck

(01:30:23):
this shit. I'm mountain. Helpfuck this ship. I'm mount. All
right, then, I don't knowwhat the but's happened, but I don't
really care. I'm gonna get thefucker Patty here his ship i'm out,

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