April 24, 2025 • 15 mins
This week's Harness Racing Alumni Show features Andy Cohen who discusses his recent interview with Howard Taylor. Howard is representing Diamond Creek Farms and others in regard to the recent sanctions that the USTA brought against them. The sanctions concern the farm’s business dealings with imprisoned former trainer Nick Surick. Andy also addresses the response that he received from one of the USTA investigative attorneys. Don’t miss this broadcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Freddie Hudson and I'm here today with Trade Martin,
Bob Marks, and Andy Cohen the Hunnest Racing Alumni Show
with your host Freddie Hudson and Trade Martin. On this
week's broadcast, Andy is going to give us an update
on his recent interviews with Howard Taylor, who's representing the
(00:21):
Diamond Creek Forums and and Adam Bowen and others on
the recent and sanctions that were placed on them by
the USTA. And he's also going to give us an
update on the USTA response. Andy over to you.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thanks Fred.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, it's an ongoing story and there really is some
bad blood between Howard Taylor on the one hand and
Diamond Creek and those guys on the one hand, and
the USTA and Russell Williams on the other hand.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So I wrote the.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Pollock Report column that without this baff Monday. It's a
long interview with Howard Taylor. And then it's a response
from one of the attorneys who handled that Standard Beds race.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Soource Investigative Fund investigation into Nick Surrex. This all has
to do with the investigation into Nick Surrik.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Once he got in trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
He owned or owned brood mares. He wasn't allowed to
be in the business.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
People had to continue to do business with him, talking
about breedings and so on, And the USDA investigated some
of that and ended up sanctioning Ann Abouten and Sean
at Diamond Creek and some others who they say had
inappropriate contacts with Nick Surrek after he was banned from
(01:39):
the USTA.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So that's the USDA side of the story.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Howard Taylor, who was sort of ubiquitous in all of this,
he says that the whole process behind the investigation was flawed,
that Russell Williams was involved in it in a way
that he shouldn't have been. And of course, I think
we all have talked about this in the past, that.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Russell Williams has a conflict of interest as the president
and owner.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And chief of Hanover Shoe Farms and as what president
of the USTA, And so you have this USTA investigation
of essentially Hanover's rival, Diamond Creek, that in some way is.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Impacted by Russell Williams. So that's powers problem with it.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
The USBA has come back to me and said, listen,
we tried to do the.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Best we could to make the investigation fair.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
We gave everybody notice of what we.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Thought the problems were. We gave folks a chance to
respond to it. And unbeknownst to me I was traveling
this past week. The USDA, I guess, last week, put
out a statement right on its website and included more
details about the allegations against Bowden and some.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Of the other people.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'm going to write about that in the next couple.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Of weeks because I think that's something that deserves to
be amplified. But the bottom line is, the USDA has
this investigative farm now and it's investigating people within the
horns community, and people in the harness community are concerned
that the investigators are not being fair. They're basically acting
(03:20):
as both prosecutors and judges. I think that's the.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Essence of what Howards saying.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, you know, Andy, you know, I never knew that
if that you needed a USTA license or membership in
order to own a broodmare, I did not know that.
I pretty much thought anyone could buy a broodmare and
read the roodmare and then sell the stallion and then
they would be responsible for getting a license.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, and honestly, I'm not sure that that concept has
ever been tested in court.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I'm just not sure of that.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Obviously you need a USTA license.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Or I guess the Standard of Canada.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
License to to raise. I don't know the bat's been
challenged in court. And I think one of the problems here,
or one of the concerns that people need to I
guess address, is the idea that at some point somebody
who is being investigated by this srif this Standard Bed
(04:18):
Investigative Fund.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Is going to say I don't want to cooperate.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I don't want to hand over my text messages, or
I don't want to answer your questions, and.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
The USDA, I guess, at that point would sanction that person.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And then I think you're going to get ultimately a
lawsuit that's going to basically try to answer the question
of whether the USDA has the authority to do this,
What is the power of the USDA to license people
beyond what a state license would be. And I think
that's a dangerous question to be raised at this time.
(04:55):
I think it would be a harmful litigation, But maybe
it's the litigation that has to happen, because if these
investigations continue and people within the industry continue to be
upset by them, I think you're going to have more
conflicts like the one we see now.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I think we all agree it's not good for standardbred
racing to have Diamond Creek fighting with Hannilm and Howard Taylor.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Fighting with the USDA.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Correct, Now, you know, I go back to this, like
I assume that Sarah transferred the horses to his mother's name,
which she was a licensed participant, and I think her
boyfriend Benson at the same time might have had horses
transferred to him and they were both licensed. So if
they're reading the mayors and he's acting and Sturk is
(05:45):
acting like an agent, what is wrong with that?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, you know, one of the questions that Howard Taylor
has raised and others have raised, is that the USDA
allowed Sir's mother to be registered and you know up
to a certain point. I get until last year, and
you know that was a long time after surrih got
in trouble, and so the question is why did the
(06:14):
people who got sanctioned get sanctioned?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Well, other people didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That's I think a question that still has been unanswered.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
There were some people on this list that were in trouble,
and they basically knew they were in trouble. Some of
them expected to be sanctions the way that Adam was sanctioned,
the way Diamond Creek was sanctioned, the way other people
were sanctioned, and in the end when the list came out,
they were not sancious. Bob Bonnie told me a couple
(06:43):
of weeks ago when I first wrote about this, that
he thought he might be on the list. The list
came out, he was not on the list, and he
has no idea why he's not on the list. Now,
it's good news, right if you end up not making
it onto the list. But if you see the investigators
(07:04):
here as prosecutors, and if you see the USTA committee
that ultimately decided the sanctions as judges, which is an
analogy you could make, then the judges didn't ever explain
why some people who were charged got off and some
people who were charged didn't get off. And I think
(07:25):
that's something the USKA is going to have to rectify
going forward, to have more transparency and openness about the process.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
There were also a lot of complaints, as I've written.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
About before, about who was selected to be on this
five member committee within the USTA that ultimately was the
sort of link between the investigators and the ultimate decision makers.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
You know, why were those people picked?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Should they have been picked? Should different people have been picked?
So there's all sorts of questions that remain unanswered. And
again the column that's out now that folks should read,
I think is a really good back and forth that
sort of explains where Howard's coming from, and then to
the best that the USCA can do.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Explains its position.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And like I said, in the next couple of weeks,
I'm going to revisit it all because there have been
continue to be back and forth between everyone. I just
think it's a story that harness raising can ignore, especially
because we know those investigators are continuing to investigate other things.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Ye Andy now also had had noticed that, you know,
after Surif was indicted, he was actually bidden on horses
at sales and winning bids. Now, what about those sales companies?
Shouldn't they be held responsible to shouldn't and maybe they
get sanctioned.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
There is one episode involving the Standard Bed Horse Sale Company,
which of course is you know, a sort of linked
to Hanover in some way, right, and The answer I
got when I asked that question was you know, we
looked at it and what was done in that instance
was not a breach of the rules. My sense is
(09:14):
that the USTA felt that Diamond Creek went further in
its communications with Surik than some of the other people did,
and did so in a way that created this idea
that there.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Was deception involved. Now I'm still not clear on what
that is.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I couldn't get the answer to that question from Howard
Taylor or the USTA.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I just, you know, it's one of those things where
I don't know what I don't know about it.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
But like I said, I'm going to try to continue
to raise questions and try to get some of these
answers as this moves forward.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Does this sound like anything familiar like when they were
dispersed in the David Brooks sources going back to quite
a few years.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I don't know. I mean, I was a round for
the David Brooks dispersal, and I don't remember anybody getting
in trouble over it.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I think what's what's different here.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
The USCA is trying to take over the role that
state racing commissions should have and do have right in
a perfect world, you would have state racing commissions looking
at this stuff and investigating this stuff and making decisions
about this stuff in the way that state.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Racing commissions do.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But if you know you're going to hear it from me,
a state racing commissions fail in this way as well. Right,
And so the USCA is trying to do something that's
regulatory in nature, and it's not i'd think, set up
yet to do it in a way that's going to
make people feel comfortable ultimately about these about the decisions
(10:49):
that make.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Hey, Bob, when when you going back when you were
with Paradi Farms, how did they disperse of the David brooksurces?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I'm sorry, please ask asked that question again?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Well, going back, going back here many years ago, how
did they disperse of the David Brooks horses after he
was sentenced and putting arrested, put into jail.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
The David Brooks horses? Right, we never had any of
David Brooks's horses, Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I just thought you were there at the sales that
you might have seen how they dispersed of them. And
I do know like his his nephew or something like that.
We're selling a bunch of had a bunch of Bruce.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Theres that he was creating.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Jeffrey Brooks was involved, I don't, I don't some of
it wound up at Dale Valente. I don't know how
it acts. I don't remember precisely what happened there. But
as for Peretti Farms though, we were never even remotely
involved with with with David Brooks or Jeffrey Brooks for
(11:54):
that matter.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Hey, Andy, when you were talking about how did he
talk anything about how his cases are going on?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
No, I we just decided that we were going to
focus in this case on on you know, his representation
of Diamond Creek and his complaints about what the USBA
was doing.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I didn't ask him about that other stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I didn't want to complicate the story. At some point,
I'll return back to it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Okay, And how is your coverage of HEISA going and
what type of report card would you give them currently?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Well, I think you know, the HEISA beat has slowed
down a little bit. There's no action from the Supreme Court.
The next thing that's going to happen in the law
is we're going to get a ruling in a case
that a lot of people are watching closely to see
if it tells us anything about how the justice feel
about HEISA.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But HEISS is going to continue to operate.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I think the latest.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Numbers are good, right, the fatality numbers are good.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Their hes is holding a town hall, you know, for
harness folks who have the time and have the interest.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's it's free and easy. You just log on.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And you can participate in these ice of town halls
where general regulators.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
You know, answer questions.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
They talk about the money part of it, and they
answer questions from people.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I think that the last one was earlier this month.
The next one is either this week or next week.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And there's Thursday, Thursday night, the twenty fourth at eight.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Yeah. Yeah, so it's this week, and.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's it's you know, it's not a long investment of
your time, but if people want to understand a little
bit more about how heights of charges and what it
charges and so on, it's not a bad idea.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
To tune into those town halls. They're really interesting. I'm
going to write this week.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
I'm gonna write a little bit about third Breds because
the Kentucky Derby's coming up next week, and then I'm
gonna like I said, return back to this, you know
USCA Hannover Dimond Creek thing.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
But again, if you're.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Adam Bowden or anyone who has competing financially economically with
Annivershoe Farms and you're being investigated by a body that
is linked to Hannovershoe Farms through Russell, you know it's
something that's uh, it's an issue and I don't know
that the UFT has addressed it yet in a way
(14:21):
that's going to satisfy people.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I don't know if it can, but hopefully it will.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Okay, trade, did you want to add anything.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I'm not really up to it with this whole situation,
but it's very involved. I don't think this is going
to be resolved too quickly or maybe ever at all.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
And what do you think?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, it's a thorny problem. And I think how it
gets resolved is Russell picks a lane. And I've been
advocating for years now that the lane he should pick
is annib You know he should say I can't do
both of these things. I'm going to focus on the
health of Annibvershoe Farm, which is vitally important to the industry,
(15:02):
and I'm going to let the usage of the US
day stuff. But I don't think Can't Ruffel's going to
do that. And as long as he doesn't, you know,
as long as he doesn't, I think there's still going
to be these problems.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, So with that, I'm going to close the show out. Andy,
thank you so much for your input today, been my pleasure. Okay,
that's a wrap for this week's show. Thanks for listening,
and please join us again next week
Speaker 2 (15:33):
The Hunness Racing Alumni Show
I'm Freddie Hudson and I'm here today with Trade Martin,
Bob Marks, and Andy Cohen the Hunnest Racing Alumni Show
with your host Freddie Hudson and Trade Martin. On this
week's broadcast, Andy is going to give us an update
on his recent interviews with Howard Taylor, who's representing the
(00:21):
Diamond Creek Forums and and Adam Bowen and others on
the recent and sanctions that were placed on them by
the USTA. And he's also going to give us an
update on the USTA response. Andy over to you.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thanks Fred.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, it's an ongoing story and there really is some
bad blood between Howard Taylor on the one hand and
Diamond Creek and those guys on the one hand, and
the USTA and Russell Williams on the other hand.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So I wrote the.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Pollock Report column that without this baff Monday. It's a
long interview with Howard Taylor. And then it's a response
from one of the attorneys who handled that Standard Beds race.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Soource Investigative Fund investigation into Nick Surrex. This all has
to do with the investigation into Nick Surrik.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Once he got in trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
He owned or owned brood mares. He wasn't allowed to
be in the business.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
People had to continue to do business with him, talking
about breedings and so on, And the USDA investigated some
of that and ended up sanctioning Ann Abouten and Sean
at Diamond Creek and some others who they say had
inappropriate contacts with Nick Surrek after he was banned from
(01:39):
the USTA.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So that's the USDA side of the story.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Howard Taylor, who was sort of ubiquitous in all of this,
he says that the whole process behind the investigation was flawed,
that Russell Williams was involved in it in a way
that he shouldn't have been. And of course, I think
we all have talked about this in the past, that.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Russell Williams has a conflict of interest as the president
and owner.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And chief of Hanover Shoe Farms and as what president
of the USTA, And so you have this USTA investigation
of essentially Hanover's rival, Diamond Creek, that in some way is.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Impacted by Russell Williams. So that's powers problem with it.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
The USBA has come back to me and said, listen,
we tried to do the.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Best we could to make the investigation fair.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
We gave everybody notice of what we.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Thought the problems were. We gave folks a chance to
respond to it. And unbeknownst to me I was traveling
this past week. The USDA, I guess, last week, put
out a statement right on its website and included more
details about the allegations against Bowden and some.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Of the other people.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'm going to write about that in the next couple.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Of weeks because I think that's something that deserves to
be amplified. But the bottom line is, the USDA has
this investigative farm now and it's investigating people within the
horns community, and people in the harness community are concerned
that the investigators are not being fair. They're basically acting
(03:20):
as both prosecutors and judges. I think that's the.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Essence of what Howards saying.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, you know, Andy, you know, I never knew that
if that you needed a USTA license or membership in
order to own a broodmare, I did not know that.
I pretty much thought anyone could buy a broodmare and
read the roodmare and then sell the stallion and then
they would be responsible for getting a license.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, and honestly, I'm not sure that that concept has
ever been tested in court.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I'm just not sure of that.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Obviously you need a USTA license.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Or I guess the Standard of Canada.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
License to to raise. I don't know the bat's been
challenged in court. And I think one of the problems here,
or one of the concerns that people need to I
guess address, is the idea that at some point somebody
who is being investigated by this srif this Standard Bed
(04:18):
Investigative Fund.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Is going to say I don't want to cooperate.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I don't want to hand over my text messages, or
I don't want to answer your questions, and.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
The USDA, I guess, at that point would sanction that person.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And then I think you're going to get ultimately a
lawsuit that's going to basically try to answer the question
of whether the USDA has the authority to do this,
What is the power of the USDA to license people
beyond what a state license would be. And I think
that's a dangerous question to be raised at this time.
(04:55):
I think it would be a harmful litigation, But maybe
it's the litigation that has to happen, because if these
investigations continue and people within the industry continue to be
upset by them, I think you're going to have more
conflicts like the one we see now.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I think we all agree it's not good for standardbred
racing to have Diamond Creek fighting with Hannilm and Howard Taylor.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Fighting with the USDA.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Correct, Now, you know, I go back to this, like
I assume that Sarah transferred the horses to his mother's name,
which she was a licensed participant, and I think her
boyfriend Benson at the same time might have had horses
transferred to him and they were both licensed. So if
they're reading the mayors and he's acting and Sturk is
(05:45):
acting like an agent, what is wrong with that?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, you know, one of the questions that Howard Taylor
has raised and others have raised, is that the USDA
allowed Sir's mother to be registered and you know up
to a certain point. I get until last year, and
you know that was a long time after surrih got
in trouble, and so the question is why did the
(06:14):
people who got sanctioned get sanctioned?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Well, other people didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That's I think a question that still has been unanswered.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
There were some people on this list that were in trouble,
and they basically knew they were in trouble. Some of
them expected to be sanctions the way that Adam was sanctioned,
the way Diamond Creek was sanctioned, the way other people
were sanctioned, and in the end when the list came out,
they were not sancious. Bob Bonnie told me a couple
(06:43):
of weeks ago when I first wrote about this, that
he thought he might be on the list. The list
came out, he was not on the list, and he
has no idea why he's not on the list. Now,
it's good news, right if you end up not making
it onto the list. But if you see the investigators
(07:04):
here as prosecutors, and if you see the USTA committee
that ultimately decided the sanctions as judges, which is an
analogy you could make, then the judges didn't ever explain
why some people who were charged got off and some
people who were charged didn't get off. And I think
(07:25):
that's something the USKA is going to have to rectify
going forward, to have more transparency and openness about the process.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
There were also a lot of complaints, as I've written.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
About before, about who was selected to be on this
five member committee within the USTA that ultimately was the
sort of link between the investigators and the ultimate decision makers.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
You know, why were those people picked?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Should they have been picked? Should different people have been picked?
So there's all sorts of questions that remain unanswered. And
again the column that's out now that folks should read,
I think is a really good back and forth that
sort of explains where Howard's coming from, and then to
the best that the USCA can do.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Explains its position.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And like I said, in the next couple of weeks,
I'm going to revisit it all because there have been
continue to be back and forth between everyone. I just
think it's a story that harness raising can ignore, especially
because we know those investigators are continuing to investigate other things.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Ye Andy now also had had noticed that, you know,
after Surif was indicted, he was actually bidden on horses
at sales and winning bids. Now, what about those sales companies?
Shouldn't they be held responsible to shouldn't and maybe they
get sanctioned.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
There is one episode involving the Standard Bed Horse Sale Company,
which of course is you know, a sort of linked
to Hanover in some way, right, and The answer I
got when I asked that question was you know, we
looked at it and what was done in that instance
was not a breach of the rules. My sense is
(09:14):
that the USTA felt that Diamond Creek went further in
its communications with Surik than some of the other people did,
and did so in a way that created this idea
that there.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Was deception involved. Now I'm still not clear on what
that is.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I couldn't get the answer to that question from Howard
Taylor or the USTA.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I just, you know, it's one of those things where
I don't know what I don't know about it.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
But like I said, I'm going to try to continue
to raise questions and try to get some of these
answers as this moves forward.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Does this sound like anything familiar like when they were
dispersed in the David Brooks sources going back to quite
a few years.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I don't know. I mean, I was a round for
the David Brooks dispersal, and I don't remember anybody getting
in trouble over it.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I think what's what's different here.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
The USCA is trying to take over the role that
state racing commissions should have and do have right in
a perfect world, you would have state racing commissions looking
at this stuff and investigating this stuff and making decisions
about this stuff in the way that state.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Racing commissions do.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But if you know you're going to hear it from me,
a state racing commissions fail in this way as well. Right,
And so the USCA is trying to do something that's
regulatory in nature, and it's not i'd think, set up
yet to do it in a way that's going to
make people feel comfortable ultimately about these about the decisions
(10:49):
that make.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Hey, Bob, when when you going back when you were
with Paradi Farms, how did they disperse of the David brooksurces?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I'm sorry, please ask asked that question again?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Well, going back, going back here many years ago, how
did they disperse of the David Brooks horses after he
was sentenced and putting arrested, put into jail.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
The David Brooks horses? Right, we never had any of
David Brooks's horses, Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I just thought you were there at the sales that
you might have seen how they dispersed of them. And
I do know like his his nephew or something like that.
We're selling a bunch of had a bunch of Bruce.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Theres that he was creating.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Jeffrey Brooks was involved, I don't, I don't some of
it wound up at Dale Valente. I don't know how
it acts. I don't remember precisely what happened there. But
as for Peretti Farms though, we were never even remotely
involved with with with David Brooks or Jeffrey Brooks for
(11:54):
that matter.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Hey, Andy, when you were talking about how did he
talk anything about how his cases are going on?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
No, I we just decided that we were going to
focus in this case on on you know, his representation
of Diamond Creek and his complaints about what the USBA
was doing.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I didn't ask him about that other stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I didn't want to complicate the story. At some point,
I'll return back to it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Okay, And how is your coverage of HEISA going and
what type of report card would you give them currently?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Well, I think you know, the HEISA beat has slowed
down a little bit. There's no action from the Supreme Court.
The next thing that's going to happen in the law
is we're going to get a ruling in a case
that a lot of people are watching closely to see
if it tells us anything about how the justice feel
about HEISA.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But HEISS is going to continue to operate.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I think the latest.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Numbers are good, right, the fatality numbers are good.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Their hes is holding a town hall, you know, for
harness folks who have the time and have the interest.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's it's free and easy. You just log on.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And you can participate in these ice of town halls
where general regulators.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
You know, answer questions.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
They talk about the money part of it, and they
answer questions from people.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I think that the last one was earlier this month.
The next one is either this week or next week.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And there's Thursday, Thursday night, the twenty fourth at eight.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Yeah. Yeah, so it's this week, and.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's it's you know, it's not a long investment of
your time, but if people want to understand a little
bit more about how heights of charges and what it
charges and so on, it's not a bad idea.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
To tune into those town halls. They're really interesting. I'm
going to write this week.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
I'm gonna write a little bit about third Breds because
the Kentucky Derby's coming up next week, and then I'm
gonna like I said, return back to this, you know
USCA Hannover Dimond Creek thing.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
But again, if you're.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Adam Bowden or anyone who has competing financially economically with
Annivershoe Farms and you're being investigated by a body that
is linked to Hannovershoe Farms through Russell, you know it's
something that's uh, it's an issue and I don't know
that the UFT has addressed it yet in a way
(14:21):
that's going to satisfy people.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I don't know if it can, but hopefully it will.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Okay, trade, did you want to add anything.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I'm not really up to it with this whole situation,
but it's very involved. I don't think this is going
to be resolved too quickly or maybe ever at all.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
And what do you think?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, it's a thorny problem. And I think how it
gets resolved is Russell picks a lane. And I've been
advocating for years now that the lane he should pick
is annib You know he should say I can't do
both of these things. I'm going to focus on the
health of Annibvershoe Farm, which is vitally important to the industry,
(15:02):
and I'm going to let the usage of the US
day stuff. But I don't think Can't Ruffel's going to
do that. And as long as he doesn't, you know,
as long as he doesn't, I think there's still going
to be these problems.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, So with that, I'm going to close the show out. Andy,
thank you so much for your input today, been my pleasure. Okay,
that's a wrap for this week's show. Thanks for listening,
and please join us again next week
Speaker 2 (15:33):
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