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By request from many top people in harness racing and the recent filing of new court sealed documents, we bring back for this week's show whistleblower Alice Allen. She gives us a clear update of current investigations and informs us that a law firm has been hired to collect purse money from the indicted trainers. All on this week's special broadcast. The views and opinions of the guests on the Harness Racing Alumni Show are their own views and opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of the Harness Racing Alumni Show or its host.

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with an update of what has occurredsince her last appearance on our show.
Alice, Welcome to the Harness RacingAlumni Special Edition. Well, thank you,
Freddy, glad to be here.Good week's rating, Handma telling in
what it's siding link. Oh yeah, absolutely, Well at Alice, after

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you were on our show last time, whatever response that you get from people,
I had a tremendous response. I'veprobably got maybe sixty seventy calls,
and they were all positive. Theywere they thanked me for actually having the
courage and stand up to be ableto tell people that it's okay to stand

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up, it's okay to say thetruth. I had so many people that
were positive because they all felt thattheir due process rights have been eliminated by
not being able to come forward.It was kind of nice. And then
I got a couple of a fewcrazy emails that were really negative, and

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it was they were almost to thepoint of humor, and I just kind
of igned those. But you've beenpretty busy since the last show. You've
had a bunch of meetings and interviewsand stuff. Can you tell us a
little bit about that. Well.I said I'd be on that farewell tour,

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and I've gone to New York,spoke with people within legal authority,
sat down with them. I've beento New Jersey. I spoke to legal
authorities in New Jersey. And thefarewell tour isn't over. And it was

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exciting because of finally being able tohave a voice and express And one of
the true things that I expressed witheveryone, and I have for thirty years,
is the lack of leadership. Andto me, it's criminal. It's
criminal with USTA, some of theirexecutive directors, they've been very involved with

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the perpetrators of the sport. They'veprotected these people. USTA knows exactly what's
going on their executives, and Iknow this because I've called them. I've
talked to him. I told himabout Josh Marks. There's nothing we can

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do for a record keeping agency.I send an eighty seven page brief to
USTA asking for an investigation and nottake very dear money to the lawyers to
send it and it was ignored.But I think the biggest leader in my

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mind that there has problems with hisshow for all that big parton do you
see a change coming to the leadershipof the USDA. I think if we
can educate the people, and that'sone of the reasons I come to your
show. Educate the people, educateUSTA to know what he's you know what

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has been done, and you can'thave the perpetration is of the sport representing
yourself in USTA. You can't havethese people articulating your wishes when they've never
even taken a survey. You know, you read all the time how much

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money they've spent to fight heisa,my god, why wouldn't you have a
public form and say does our membershipwant this swell over a million dollars?
And yet they had a co sponsorWilliams said he would pay for it himself.
Well, money's coming from USTA,the members and I don't think that

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they have the right to spend amillion dollars as the membership's money without informing
them or without even asking them,especially from a non for profit agency.
That is wrong. I think wehave I say it again, tremendous problems
with Joe Faldo. He represents theStandard Bread Owners Association. He's very active

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in yonkers, he participates in drives, owns horses. He represents the perpetrators
and all their hearings, so heknew exactly what was going on. He
represented Zurich and Freddie. There wasa time and that it's probably caught it

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like an old war. Nimous horsemenhad tested positive and they were going to
lose their insurance and kicked off thetrack. And I testified against the vet
and one of those positives. Thehorse was owned by Josephine Farraldo and driven
by Joe. He walks into ahearing and he defends it all and he

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put me on a stand for seventeendays off, probably longer than O.
J. Simpson. And the retributionthat took place in that hearing. I
wasn't talking about facts for seventy days. I was talking about having seizures.
I was talking about having two partialassectomies, anything that could try to humiliate.

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So I understand that retribution. Idon't understand how the retribution is allowed.
I don't understand how the president ofUSTA could take two men across the
country representing the United States, theUnited States of America. Everything that is

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good, it takes two men.One man president of the Horseman's Association of
Monofello. Heck, there was Gnlithat would drove her car up to his
bond to deliver drugs and fled thescene. It was him that was investigated
when they killed his horse at Monticello. How do I know? I got

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the calls the other fellow. He'son Fishman's list. What's the judge buying
medication from Fishman? I don't thinkthe rest of the judges in the in
the court systems or out ordering medications. So I think we all need to
change. And then I read thisweek in last week Harness Racing Update one

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of the articles, and Paul wrotean article to go out open articles.
He didn't want to do it beforeHamiltonian, but he had to. And
it was talking about how he protectedthe horsemen in New York for their process.

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What did he protect them when theirjudge was fixing the other judge was
fixing the draw? Did he protectthem from the perpetrators? He couldn't protect
them from their own people. Helet it happen and those things that very
very bothers him. And I thinkall of us we need to stand out

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to say, look, we're takingback our business. It's ours and we
don't have to take the abuse becauseyou hold titles or you hold a law
license. For God's sakes, heeven represented doctor Mailan and Mayland has a
sole source providing contract with his state. You read the articles in Blood Horse

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and you see the communication with Mailanand the and guicted veterinarian. Sof he's
he's communicating with the indicted veterinarian,what's he telling for all though? All
the horsemen know, but they're afraidto stand up. Not an article that
he wrote this this past week.He didn't want to comment before the Hamilton.

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You well to me. If hedidn't want to comment, don't write
the article. And it was funnybecause you read the article and he was
still crying about not Joe for Aldowas still upset because the internet. The
Italians couldn't compete at the Medal Landsfor that amateur event. No, if

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I was mister Garrell and I wasin his shoes, then for all they
was trying to come into my house, I wouldn't let him there either.
The thing of this bread. Hetried to come through the back door.
He didn't go and have a discussionthat we all have discussion. It's okay

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to disagree, but it's not okayto go through the back door when you're
trying to ruin someone else's house oryou're trying to clean it up because this
industry didn't get the way it istoday if it wasn't for people like Joe
Farralda. There's not much that Ithink that he has contributed except to the

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ruination of the sport. And that'skind of scary to me. Well,
I'm going to get back and askyou another question regarding the money to fight
heisa. Now, the money hasalways been approved by the USTA Board of
Directors. They're the ones that havevoted and approved it. What do you

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think would happen if it went outfor a membership vote? Do you think
it would be approved? I don'tthink it would be approved. I don't
know how it could be approved becausevoluntarily by mister Williams. He said he'd
pay for his own money, Well, then take his own money the rest
of the membership. They'd let himspend his money because he volunteered he's got

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a lot of a lot more moneythan the rest of us have, and
so far their money has lost allcourt rulings, major rulings, they've lost.
You know, I don't think thatyou know, Heisk and the men
rules change rules, But we definitelyneed a change. We need one governing

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body. At least the rules willbe the same for all of us.
And we got the rules right now. Every state they take it, the
rules aren't the same, No one'sprotected. Heiser will be a reality at

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harness racing in two years. Oh, I believe that one hundred percent.
But I believe in order to fixour industry you have to tire it down.
And that guy's from the top downbecause they were the influences, they
were the perpetrators. They took yourmoney through who are defending these legal actions

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and they have not represented all.We're all created equal under the law,
except in their courtroom. They havetheir own set of rules in their courtroom.
So Fred, what's exciting and reallyexciting is I took it a step

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further and I believe the truth.The truth. They always say, the
truth will set you free. Youknow, the government and the United States
government had published a list of thevictims in the s in the sederl and

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they had published numerous reports and listomsforfeiture and find so they're communicating with the
law firm. They're eight hundred lawyersStraw and I think we're gonna proceed with
the claim rolby class actions. Sothe horsemenn't get their money because they were

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the victims of having to race againstall these drug abduced horses. They were
the victims of these people. Somaybe if they get their money back,
that'll be a start. And bydoing so, at least filing this claim,

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because legal process is slow when youfile discovery. I think we'll be
able to obtain all the discovery inthose court cases and then let the chips
fold. That way, it'll openup all the horsemen's eyes. That way,
everyone's held accountable under the same lawsthat we all stand for. And

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I think that's a move in theright direction. I don't think many of
the horsemen that are starving, Idon't think, so decline a check and
I think it'll be a good thingmoving forward. Is there any about number

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as to how many victims there are? All they put there's a complete list
they had to release that list onceand I can't quote that on the top
of my head, but anyone thatcompeted against them, and when you look
at what they say is forfeiture,I think that speaks for itself. Anyone

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that's competing against them, I thinkwe'll be entitled and be called a victim.
So that is set out, andI look forward to all of us
need to look forward and hold thestates accountable because I believe as the documents
are released in which they're probably inthe process now, that they'll go to

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the states and the states will beable to take action. Some will be
statues expired, but the commissions couldstill take action. And they have that
responsibility to every horseman that has alicense, every horseman that participated, and

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they are a responsibility to clean upthe industry themselves because it all starts with
us. If there isn't change,you see what happened to the industry.
Now, No, are they goingto go after the owners or just the
trainers to correct this money? Well, they they went after the people that

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they indicted, and all you cansay is they were given fines, they
were given indictments, and if theowners received the money, maybe they should
have to give it back because Iknow quite a few of them knew.
Oh you know, all of themknew. We all you know, we
couldn't live in a smoke screen andsay nobody knew. We all knew.

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If you had a license and youparticipated in the races and you were on
the back side, you were,you knew. It's not a hidden secret.
The horsemen, Brad, they neverbe quiet. You know. It's
it's uh, it's an open book. I'm just glad that someone finally stepped

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up and knew how to prosecute itand knew what to do. If you're
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That's Joe Rico at five one sixfive two four four eight seven zero.
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you wanted to end? Any horsementhat bills they were a victim, stand
up and claim your money. We'llprobably make a massive press release that way

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that you don't know who what's lowingus to get ahold of them what to
do, and maybe the check willbe in the mail. Might take a
while, but perhaps that check willget in the mail and get back to
all of you. Okay, thankyou allens, Thank you for joining us,
and thank you for joining us onthis special edition. This is Freddy

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Hudson. Yes, Freddy, that'sthe luck to you, that's the luck
to everyone in racing, because thistime it's our time, the true horseman.
Bye bye, all right, thankyou Alis. That's a rep for
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