Fake Teeth, Warm Yogurt - Vampire's Kiss (1989)

Harken! The mountain's four wise men/women left the summit to discuss Robert Bierman's Vampire's Kiss! Released in 1989, the film stars Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Beals, Maria Conchita Alonso, and many others. It was filmed in the United States and was distributed by Hemdale Film Corporation! Enjoy your bi-weekly trip to Shaolin.

Episode Transcript

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onto the show, Welcome to theHeavenly Mandates. In the past,

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we've come down from the interrupted ourstudy of kung food or new films of
sundry quality for the wretched and beleagueredpeople of the earth. Now we study
secret scrolls to still the essence ofNick Cage's kung fu in an effort to
counter his attempts to destroy the world. Join us as we master his eclectic
flow. We match his intensity andexpressiveness, and we open ourselves up to

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the emotional empowerment, and we havemarvel at his unorthodox techniques. My name
is Justin the Horius di Virgins,and I'm joined today by the drunken master
Kellen. How are you doing,sir? Very well? Josh? The
deadliest of vendoms is the year.How are you doing, buddy tired?
It took me a lot longer thisyear to get back from Burning Man,

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but I made it, burned downthe wicker statue with Nicholas Cage in it,
But I think he's still alive.And Erica Lady Desk stabbed the Black
Widow, our resident expert in allthings women, and Michigan's answer to Kim
Kardashian is here. How are youdoing, Erica? Oh, I'm super
excited to dedicate more of my time, he realized all over again. Nothing

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better, house better than Twilight anyways. Today we are reviewing nineteen eighty nine's
classic Vampire's Kiss, directed by RobertBierman. The film stars Nick Cage,
Maria Kenshiita Alonso, Jennifer Beals,and Cassie Lemons from Candy Made Candyman Fame.
Without further ado, let us beginto review the film. If we're

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go okay with it. Wait,who Cassie Lemons from Candyman Fame? Who
is she? She is the She'sthe African American actress who Nick Cage keeps
fucking over. Okay, they bothlook like, Oh, was she the
friend in Candy Man? Yeah?She was? Oh, okay, Okay,

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I didn't realize. I didn't makethat connection. She was act one.
The introduction. Peter law I e. Nick Cage is a doucheet literary
agent living in nineteen eighties New YorkCity. He's successful, He's out there
getting drunk, he's probably snorting yeo, and he's crushing pussy like you read
about. He picks up a ladynamed Jack from the club. They go

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back to his place to fool around, and then out of nowhere, a
bat attacks them amid penetration. Theyboth go fleeing into the night. Meanwhile,
Peter may Or may not be underpressure at work to find a contract
for a important writer. He ordershis secretary Alba to find it. It's

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an arduous task that involves searching throughhuge stacks of unorganized files. Despite living
in an objectively awesome life, itturns out it's also shallow and meaningless.
And he spends a lot of timetalking to a psychiatrist about it. What
do you think of our main character, Peter Lowe, How does he you

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know? What are your first impressions? Why do we need to inevitably start
with Erica on this Why? Yeah, Erica seems like a stand up guy,
you know, certainly seems to haveit all together live in his life.
I mean, honestly, he's justsuper weird. Like I think a
lot of this movie is I'm justlike, why are you so weird?

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Like he just like he's got hisprofessional life, he goes out loses his
mind and then he like loses itagain on his like on his poor employee
and like whatever. But there's definitelylike Patrick Bateman vibes, you know,
like a lyric, yes, whichwhich makes sense about set at the same

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time and criticize the same like whatdo you do when you're like a young
successful you know, like yuppie inthe eighties in the early nineties, you
have everything you want, but yetyou find joy none of it? Right,
lose your damn mind and murder peopleparents. His favorite topic, Erica,
you have a chill Peter low carryout Christian Bale Christian Bale. Christian

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Bale, No, I'm not evenasking about the actors. I'm asking about
the characters themselves. Who do youwant to wind up with? Got pick
one or the other? Okay,one of the options character Patrick Basement or
Peter low because Patrick Bateman like tofuck up things to the women in his

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life. And I actually and likethe movie so tame compared to the book.
And it's sure, yeah, butif with the actors like it would
be Christian Bale one thousand percent.Mm. Yeah, what I I find
the more I've now watched this movielike twelve times since we started, like

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so many many times, so manythat's probably too many times, it keeps
getting The character of Peter Lowe keepsgetting funnier and funnier and funnier because I
know how it ends, and yeah, it makes watching the movie over and
over again more and more like akind absurd comedy. And right from the

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very beginning it's hard to take himseriously as a human. Yeah, right,
or it's like a yeah, likeyou said, like what isn't he
like bragging to the woman he's takinghome from the bar about like uh,
Fantastic four or something? I thoughtI thought I caught some kind like like
the Marvel comics, right, yeah, yeah, I thought I caught because

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the audio in this movie overall iskind of weird, and sometimes they're seeing
you intentionally have it, like we'reviewing this from across the street, so
you will not perfectly hear what's goingon. But I thought I caught some
sort of weird Marvel reference. Iwould almost guarantee that's just Nicholas Cage riffing,
because what a big Marvel Comics fanhe is, and like, just
have chatter going on from across thestreet, that's all we care about.

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He's like, well, I'm gonnatalk about Marvel man, and then and
the woman. The woman is justgetting like saturated Number one turn on obviously,
But I mean, no, hetruly is not a very I don't
know. I wasn't there in theeighties or the early nineties enough and certainly

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not in New York City to knowlike what people found relatable or acceptable.
He doesn't seem to be that froma modern perspective. But he is also
kind of like an archetype of thedouchebag. So those people have their part,
have their part in the real world. And fiction. He doesn't seem
he is a over the top theatricalversion of that archetype. But whatever,

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he plays drunk very well. Iwill say that for both the actors in
that scene, both of them.So somehow, as always with Hollywood,
it seems like, oh so nobodyhere has ever been drunk or high,
and this is why you this iswhy you wrote this scene. That doesn't
make it. At least they genuinelysound like my friends and myself when we're
drunk. That's basically I would suspectthey just literally had them drink while they

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were on set and were like,cool, we'll just shoot you doing that,
because this seems like a little bitmore realistic. It felt like the
giddiness of a real one light onenight stand, like me to meeting a
woman going home and like maybe youknow, nothing happens, but but the
moment was there apparently, And yeah, I mean in the club scene of

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the Upper West Side of Manhattan innineteen eighty eight. Who's to say,
I don't know, I don't knowhow common this is, you know,
I was this is something I didn'treally think about last time I watched it,
and last time we talked about it. But this is also during the
Age Crisis, and I was curiousabout how, like you know, the
original Dracula was was influenced by Victorianfears about syphilis, right, like this

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this idea of blood born contagion,that could I mean, yeah, way
away. It's interesting that we don'tsee HIV kind of show up in this
as like, right, is thisa metaphor for something? I don't think
that's true. I mean this mighthave been an American psycho either, does
it that I remember? I don'tthink so. I don't think those might

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These might be fiction just early enoughthat no major writer would really acknowledge it.
Like if it came a couple ofyears later, it might have actually
been like something you would put infiction, but it was probably still almost
tampoo at this point to talk aboutit. Because if you I'm trying to
think what one another media is mediumfrom this, well, like how Neil

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Gaiman does Sandman, which is thesame era. When it starts and he
does start broaching the AIDS topic,like second or third volume, I think
into it, but it still verymuch feels at that time like this is
something one almost no one would bewriting about in fiction into in a comic
book, especially to be like,yeah, let's put aids front and center

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as something that people are concerned aboutin a fantastical story. Anyways, I
would say he was one of thefirst writers that was willing to do that,
and that would have been like nineteenninety ninety one. So I think
we're just before that that any thatanything type of could even be considered for

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American Psycho because that book is sonasty, right right, I'm not going
there. I'm not going to HIV. But I guess it's also like torture.
But I mean story either, youknow what I mean, Like,
it's probably not the relevance to thepoint of trying to make for this true,

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right, And I mean obviously ina piece of fiction like this,
you're not going to bother with thatif you're if it doesn't have anything with
your story, why would you botherexcept that it's a promiscuous character. But
they're not going to acknowledge anything.I mean, it's not like movies can
dwell on any kind of STD ifthat's not the point of the story.
So if you're not waiting, ifyou're not writing rent, then exactly talking

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about it, Yes, we allagree boo Rent, Yeah, you stupid,
Yeah, get up exactly. I'lljust get a part time job and
pay the fucking rint. Don't makeit so hard. I don't give a
shit about you. I mean,but the music's amazing, so you forgive
a lot. You do some peopledo everything. These early scenes also have

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a bizarre since we're already on thesex topic. What is the fixation with
ankles and feet? For like onlya brief part of this movie, Like
there there are several lingering shots thathave to do with socks, feet and
ankles, and as far as Ican tell, it doesn't have any future
relevance, so the rest of thestory it just chooses to focus on that.

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In this first act, Eric isthis opening scene ring Crudier experience in
New York City. That's true thatwhen I go to New York, I
make a point to forget the Broadwayshows, the songs. I'm all like,
I want to get coked out ofmy mind somewhere take a yeah,
there you go live real New Yorklifestyle. Like I like how his neighbor,

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like the child is kind of fascinatedby his lifestyle and the mom is
having none of it. As sheshould and do not let apartment living in
New York is one of those universallydepicted as like probably not a great thing.
How much do you think that apartmentcaused? I mean, he's in
this, I mean in that inthe area, in the area's supposed to

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live in probably like seven hundred dollarsif there's any reference point, Okay,
in section the city. In thelate nineties early two thousands, Carrie Brador's
character her she lives in a onebedroom in Manhattan and her rent, her
rent control apartment, is seven hundredand fifty dollars a month. Now,
that shows often criticized for the likethe crazy, like unlike realistic lifestyle fiction

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of New York. Yeah, butI don't think that that part is untrue
because they talk about, like,especially if you're rent controlled, that it
wasn't like it is now so beensomewhere around there, right, that seems
I mean, and that's even okay, that's not even as high as I
would have I mean, they makea point in that also in Friends,
at least on one occasion, toexplain why they can afford the awesome apartments

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they have, like their whole theirwhole nask is under permanent rent control,
so like they never have to payreal New York prices for their rooms.
Ought to be perfectly honest. Thatis Ryan learned about the idea of rent
control because I was like, whatwhat do you mean You can't raise the
rates in New York City? Youcan just leave them there forever. But

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yeah, I mean they would haveto assume Okay, if it was seven
point fifty for Sex and the Cityin the nineties, so yeah, maybe
under five one hundred dollars in nineteeneighty eight. One of the things that
I really find fascinating about this film, and it is one of my favorite
films of the Nick Cage Cannon,is his acting choices and his his diction

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in this film are but it oftenlike he's trying to recreate this silent movie
film aesthetic in the world of talking. Yeah, and it's it's very inexplicable
unless you know that's exactly what he'stalking, you know what I mean,
Like German expressionism, right, Yeah, you need to explain that otherwise,

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like the silent film Empire classic,right, and which is being remade as
of next year, we'll see that. Wow, is it being remade?
I mean like, is it talking? Do you know what I mean?
I don't know. It's gonna starWillem Dafoe as as Dracula or Count orl
Off as he's called the I cansee that. Oh yeah totally because he

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already played him. Yeah, that'sthe point, because that one was when
The Vampire came out like three yearsago. It was so successful and he's
playing an act or playing or alongthat they're like, what if we actually
just make that movie again with youactually playing not the actor, but playing
the vampire. And he was like, yeah, let's do it. Let's

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let's find out what happens. Youknow, we didn't talk about Peter's relationship
with his secretary, which we getto start to see the beginnings of that
in these introductory scenes. The healthwork environment. I'm the good old days
when you could just I don't think, I don't even think. She's not
even like his secretary specifically, she'sjust out there in the office. Yeah,

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he seems to have a very specificrelationship to only her, which is
kind of out of the blue.You don't you never see him interacting with
any of the other people, thepas or whatever they are that are running
through all files for some reason.Even before he is going certifiably insane,

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he already he already is like,you specifically need to help me do this
one thing. And I think she'skind of new. Also, she is
supposed to be the junior most secretaryact to descend. A few days later,
Peter picks up this hotty named Rachel. One thing not the similar to

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the first one. Confusing, Yeah, yep, more than once. I'm
like, I wouldn't have cast twowomen who look kind of this similar to
each other, like a generalization.It's just like one is curly here,
the other one doesn't both do.They're both like light skinned black women with

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big curly eighties hair, Like theylook very much like each other. And
after our last colleague just double checkthe foot to make sure it wasn't remembering
incorrectly, and no, they're toosimilar. So like I was just like,
well, you're kind of being adick to one, but then you
asked her out again and then likeshe's a vampire and was really confused,
and I had to be like,well, you're a different human altogether.

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Okay, this story, doesn't itYou know, a lot of moves,
there's a lot of moves here.I had a huge crash on Jennifer Bills
growing up. Like you mentioned that, I had never realized that he had
looked so similar because I had alwaysreally kind of hyper focused on Jennifer Bials,
Like, yeah, so that's aninteresting connection. But now watching it
again, I totally agree with you. They do look almost exactly. He

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has a type I guess, No, apparently his willy nilly Oh that's something
that I I mean, this couldcome up at any point in the story,
but since we were initially talking aboutour lead here, Peter, does
Peter seem like the kind of personwho would even go way psychiatrist? I
mean, I feel like if you'rethat bored. And also the thing with

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therapy too, it's very self indulgent, like you just like you talk about
yourself as much as you want,right, So maybe not totally out of
character, I could I could seeit seem out of the realm of possibility
for this era. I mean,that's kind of segueing into what I'm curious.

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Was this just kind of a normwhether or not, Like I mean,
now, it's much more I wouldthink more of a norm in the
modern age than it was back then. But was this also trendy so to
speak in the era is to justhave a therapist if you were rich or
whatever, well off, whatever yuppiestandard was. Yeah. So you don't

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know, but it's it seems appropriatefor the character. I don't know,
to me, it is okay.I kind of thought of his ego as
possibly being in the way of himbeing able to do anything, as opening
up as going to a counseling session. Yeah, I don't know. That's
question. When you're trying to behappy and nothing is working, you know,

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like drugs, women, any extremelike that's available to you isn't working,
and money is no obstacle, thenI guess, yeah, let's try
therapy, you know. Perhaps anyway, it's interesting a few days. A
few days later, Peter picks upthis hottie named Rachel. One thing leads

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to another, and she's back athis crib aproposa nothing she bites, she
vampire bites his own. At first, he's not really into it, and
then we all know this to betrue because he ejects all up in his
pants. It's a wet, stickymess down there. But this encounter may
or may not have happened like weat all like talking to himself as an

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nugget for the viewers. In orderto get into this scene, the I'm
assuming a grip had to drizzle hotyogurt and Nicholas Cage's toes right there.
It is, so you guys,we're not sure if it was animals or
or gogasm. So as an experiment, I went to Meyer and I bought

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some Greek yogurt, and I said, I added some milk to it.
Once I realized what was going on, I slowly warmed it up on the
range, and I spent you know, about twenty minutes slowly pouring what might
have been too hot yogurt on mytoes. It was comforting, like I

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felt very, very comforted by it. I don't know if I felt too
mess it by it, but Icertainly felt calm. I don't know if
you're joking or not. I reallydid it. I wanted. I believe
that you're being sincere about this.For whatever, I didn't use it,
I didn't eat it, I gotrid of it. But it was great
fine t get back to the store. It was like this. I was

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led to believe this would do somethingvery different than what it did, and
I want my money back. Iwas not able to perform an adequate sex
scene on the basis of this yogurtalone, so you al should try it.
It was very it was it wasactually very calming. It's interesting that
it had a very calming, docileeffect. I will keep it in mind.

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Probably not. Wait, we didn'teven we didn't even talk. We
didn't even talk about the previous scenewith Jackie and the bat attack, which
probably kind of did. Yeah,and we sort of breezed through it.
I mean we learned that during thebad attack, Nick Cage kind of got

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sexually aroused by the experience, right, So can we just I think we
can safely assume that incident was realand is perhaps the germ of the rest
that happens. Yeah, yeah,Okay, I mean it's like, guy,
somebody who's already on the brink ofthat definitely thing happened like push him

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in a crazy like the direction ofwhere that crazy is going to go.
Sure, yeah, the random batattack gave him a hyper fixation that yields
the rest of the story. Yeah, but but it did happen. Yeah,
I mean, the vampire is legit, or we can think of this

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as like a deeply alternate version ofBatman's origin story and how it gone in
a very different way, the psychosexualsubtext Batman right, and also look Christian
Bale again, like now we justneed to get Katie Holmes drizzling from yogurt.

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It's a little over me. Meanwhile, we're getting you know, at
this point in the movie, we'regetting a lot of mixed signals about what
is true and what is isn't true. We're beginning to see perhaps that Peter
might have some mood disorder, orperhaps he's definitely shifting moods relatively quickly back

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and forth. We see him tryto We see him meet up with Jackie,
the earlier woman he met at thebar, the first woman he met
at the bar, at an artgallery, and then out of nowhere,
he just flat leaves her after claiminghe needs to take a piss, which
is one of my favorite scenes.I love a good Irish goodbye and I

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love I love that that's basically whathe did. Also, did anybody else
notice that the almost entire art exhibitgoing on just kind of looked like those
splatted witches that people put out atHalloween, like smacked to the wall.
Oh interesting, I didn't notice thatthe moment that the scene opened for the

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whole year, I'm like, theyall looked like those witches that like ran
into a wall. What is this? I didn't I didn't notice. We
go back and look at the wideshots of it. That's very much what
it appears to be. It lookslike splayed human figures, just like the
wily coyote against a wall. Ohinteresting, I like that, right,
Like, is this supposed to bea subtext or I'm supposed to interpret this

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somehow? Probably not, because weall know how this movie was shot.
So they probably just went to wherewe all aren't exhibit somewhere in New York,
and we're like, this is weirdenough, let's just do it right
here. Jackie is quite pizzed,Erica, how would you feel in this
situation? Yeah? I was justthinking about, Yeah, pretty pissed too.
That's just rude. That's just disrespectful. The age where you don't have

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like text or anything, like youdon't even know what happened. I mean,
I guess you could maybe because ofyou then for the doubt that they
got attacked by wolf or something,I suppose you could. But that's so

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weird. Have you been in asituation like that where someone just left you
Erica, No, right, Idon't. I don't think most of us
spend like just a straight, icecold exit. But no, I haven't
been. I've been in situations wherethe person was supposed to meet and never

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never showed up. Right, Yeah, you can not be not the exit.
That's a little odd. I canalmost promise you that I've probably been
one of those people who have notshown up to a thing that I said
would I feel intact? I meanI definitely left parties in college without saying,
oh, yeah the party there.Yeah, I have no obligation and

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no one cares. I will livein the accent any time I choose,
and usually without describing to people whatI'm doing. I had a roommate once
who I think I was an extrovertuntil I met her and I realized that
I'm actually like way lower on thescale. And we would go out and
it was very frustrating because she wasthat person. Every time like we went

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it was time to leave, shehad to make her way around the room
to go and say bye to people, and I'm like, oh my god,
this isn't a dinner party. Thisis not like, this is like
a club slash bar situation. Likeyou tell a couple of people they can
spread the word if it's necessary,but I'm not spending twenty minutes to get
the fuck out of here, Like, oh my god, we're not the
Kennedy's here. No one gives ashit. Let's just go just tell a

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few people so no one's worried.But like then move on. No,
oh, some people need that validation. Peter comes increasingly abusive to Alba at
work. She apparently can't find thefile the save her life and how hard?
How hard could it be? It'sin alphabetical order. Hey, b

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keeps crazy, right, Yes,we're getting to that. Well no,
I mean but like I'm not gettingthat. But like, because this is
where we start to really see likethe depth of his mednace, because he's
on a phone call a client rightas he's sending her for this, and
the guy literally is like, it'snot that big of a deal, you

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know, like that's no rush,and literally he hangs up and starts screaming
at her that this is urgent,a client from like ten years ago before
she worked there, and it's justlike he's doing this just to torture her,
and it's interesting to us thinking aboutthis. How we talked about the

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two women that held the clubs looklike each other. They're both light skinned
black women with like, you know, like hair. Alva is also a
young woman who's very beautiful, butshe's Hispanic, and I don't know if
that means anything, like it's interesting. I don't know all his relationships with
the young women, and if there'sany kind of pattern to how it's done,

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he doesn't. Maybe that's just whois around. I don't know.
Peter becomes increasingly abusive about work toAlbas, you can't find the file to
save her life, and how hardcan it be? It's in alphabetical order.
This torment, this torment, Thistorment devolves into Peter chasing a hysterical
Alva across the office to the ladiesroom, much to the delight and humor

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of Peter's bosses, jumping on desks, supersucked. He's literally chasing her,
like running across their office now ona set at least one set of stairs,
through another like office into the ladiesroom, where he like she's afraid
he's gonna attack her and I don'tremember why he just yells her, I

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think. But then with even morebombs, like this is in public,
no one doesn't he no one thinks, hey, maybe this isn't cool.
And then it's not like bosses don'tknow. He like brags about it and
they all think it's funny, andit's just did shit like this actually happen
in the eighties? I know,not like it was today, like not

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good, But was it that bad? I doubt? I think this is
intentionally sap tire of how bad itcould be. And also we have to
question this is that breaking point inboth the story and Peter's psychology of like
how much of what we're seeing isliterally occurring and how much of it's in
his brain. This is that cuspof like it seems like the weird non

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shoalant the people have basically from thispoint and still close to the end about
how bizarre his behavior is has tobe somewhat intrinsic to his perception, because
yes, it's so over the top, it's so ridiculous and funny. But
like in any normal conventional narrative,if someone is behaving remotely the way he

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is, yeah, you would expecta little bit more reaction. I mean,
him leaping on the disc and sayingthere you are is fantastic, comedic
gold. But the fact that almostno one in his office it's like Ally
McBeal, it's basically like a weirdal. Actually, I will go ahead
and say probably a lot of AliMcBeal is inspired by this movie. I'm

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gonna stand by that. That's theofficial stance of this podcast deal with Is
he wearing the sunglasses at this point? No, not yet. This is
about this is a few scenes beforehe decides he's light and tolerant Eric movie.

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I'm not desecrating. I'm saying that'sa direct This is a direct antecedent
to Allie mcfeel proved me wrong,you can't. We also we also kind
of we also skimmed over the ideaof the section where he'd just be raper
by looking more and more maniacal ashis eyes get One of the best scenes

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which films it is. I mean, it's the source of one of the
original Internet memes. It's also byby his own admission, Nicholas Cage said
he was trying to see how widehe could make his eyes get in these
scenes to convey how insane he wasbecoming, and yeah, hats off,
Like most people can't do that.I feel like I was an actress and

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I was cast in a movie withNicholas Cage, I'd be very uncomfortable about
that. Like, just in general, you'd be uncomfortable knowing Nicholas Cage is
going to be in the movie acharacter with Yeah, Erica, you'll either
end up dead or pregnant or transor transcendent. You don't know. That's

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the thing. You're going in witha wild card. It might work.
A lot of things could happen later, Apparently suffering extreme mood swings, Peter
tries to win Jackie back, andthey planned the media at a bar.
However, vampire Rachel shows up,cock blocks a Jackie and takes Peter upstairs

(32:36):
to feed on his delicious, deliciousneck nectar. We're seeing in retrospect a
breakdown happen. But if you didn'tknow that watching is the first time you
might be in to surpass things.But like the bizarre mimes doing an act
outside of his building, which isapparently just an indefinite repeat, like it's

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some sort of Lynchian gang, Likethere are hints that nothing we're seeing from
Peter's perspective exclusively now is necessarily areliable depiction. This is just now we're
entering his headspace, or at leasthis view of the world, is what

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it seems to be. I agree, it does become more and more surreal,
and it's hard. I find thiswhen I'm narrating this, and I
have now watched this film so manytimes that I still get confused as to
when certain things are happening. It'svery hard to narrate. I think the

(33:43):
narrative is quite scrambled, and youcould pretty easily rearrange a lot of the
events, and I don't They're notnecessarily an accumulative narrative of points, like
many of these things could have happenedat different times and the juxtaposition doesn't really
matter. It's just it's more itis surreal, but it's also just like

(34:04):
an immersive experience. I guess thatjust sounds like Anickel scage line. But
this is for the gentleman Mary fuckKill whom Jackie Rachel and Alva mm hm

(34:27):
hm hmm hard one. I mean, I mean that's definitely marry Alma.
Yeah, I was gonna say,actually, these these this this seems like
one of the easiest cases of thisI've ever encountered. I'm going to kill
the vampire because my blood and turnedme into a vampire. Just yeah,
just right, and then fuck Jackie. Yeah, this is the easiest case.

(34:51):
This is actually is that gonna happenat the beginning anyways, It's almost
set up perfectly for this. Soyeah, yeah, I know I think
that. Yep. Yeah. Becausemost of us are relatively stable individuals,

(35:15):
we're not going to pick the worstpossible options that exist on the other side
of that. Mary, if youmarry what's your name, the second one,
the vampire Elpa, oh, Rachel, there's no there's no future in
that relationship. Oh no, reallylong future because if you're both immortal,

(35:35):
because you're immortals. But my impressionwas there was like you would have a
romantic relationship if you were sucking theblood of the human, but like once
the human became a vampire, like, I'm not attracted you anymore. There's
no blood to suck, you know, at that point, you know,

(35:58):
vampires suck vampires A twilight ended,We're like, no, no, I
can't not into it. I'm sosorry, but like, I like you.
That is so awesome. I wouldlove for that to be That'd be
a million. And she's like,I'm gonna fucking kill you and she's like

(36:20):
I literally can't. He's like,wait, can you tell me? And
why you were hanging out at ahigh school? Two hundred years old?
Act three, The Transformation. Yeah. After repeated encounters with Rachel, Peter's
mental state begins to deteriorate quite rapidly. At one point, he eats a

(36:42):
live cockroach, and when Alva callshim sick, he takes a taxi to
her home, where he lies andgas lights her back into the office.
Worry about her safety, she borrowsa gun from her brother when it's full
of blanks, so it's kind ofa prop, and she and Peter worked
late into the night looking for thecontract. He eventually finds it, but

(37:05):
Peter claims her efforts are now toolate. So, yeah, let's impact
this a little bit because of thatact that we just talked about is one
of the messed up in the wholemovie. So Alva unstandably calls sick because
she's terrified of her boss, andinstead of just being like okay, cool,
I understand he decides to terrorize her, so he goes all the way

(37:30):
to her house in what Brooklyn,brock Qua Queen's. I think she's somewhere
way outside the city, non Manhattan. Yeah, definitely definitely off the island.
Yeah, and she like and hegoes and like knocks on her window.
Can you imagine having your boss socrazy? You feel like you're in

(37:52):
your safe space at your home,and all of a sudden you turn around
in that fucking face is being onyour window? Oh my god? Can
you? Can you also imagine doingyour laundry and ironing in your bra at
an open window in New York?That also feels like probably not a great
idea? Yeah, fair enough,And all of a sudden he's like sweetest

(38:15):
pie and he starts sweet talking sayingI don't remember what he says, but
he's coaxing her and saying, youknow, come on, it be great.
I don't know if he apologizes,yeah, yeah, he's like,
I didn't mean it, I'm sorry, I'm He does all the usual contrite
male behaviors, and the minute thatthey get into the car and she's finally

(38:36):
going back with him, he flipsthe switch again and goes after her,
he would give her the most horrifictask he could and this is the worst
he can give her for no apparentreason either, because it's weird that somehow
this Heatherton contract is somehow like thecrux of the entire story, and yet
it does it doesn't matter at all, total like, it doesn't. It

(39:00):
literally doesn't affect anything about how theplot progresses. It's just constantly the problem
going on. But at least she'sable to convince him to stop her.
Brother's like a yeah, where hegives her a blank gun, so like,
well, she already had the gun, but he does give her actual
blanks so that she can fire,not bullets. Yeah, probably not a

(39:25):
good idea in nineteen eighties New York, though, Like, if you're going
to get robbed, I don't thinkthe people the crackheads are going to rob
you are going to care the likethey're going to risk getting's not regardless,
why not just give him real bullets? There's this weird like Peter initially plays
off the fact that he was sobizarre by saying he took mescaline, which

(39:46):
which is not a terrible excuse orlike a reasoning for him to use and
then she had also admits to havingdone the same thing once, So then
it almost feels like he was baitingher into admitting she had done it drug,
but it has no bearing on anything, so maybe it really wasn't.
It was literally him just being like, I have to have a cover.

(40:07):
And then she says she did ittoo. He's like, oh, okay,
yeah, cool, right, andthen he and then he shows up
at her house and I literally forthe first moment, was like, does
he just have a bag of mescalineHe's going to try to give her and
say it's medicine right now, Howbasable was mexcaline in the eighties zone?

(40:28):
I thought by the sea it hadbasically been like I mean, it was
obviously fully criminalized and everything, butI don't imagine for a relatively powerful New
Yorker it would be very hard tofind. Wait, can you tell me
what that is? Did mescaline becomeMDMA? I believe they are related chemically,
but they're not the same thing.I don't know what the exact nature

(40:51):
of that would be, but Ithink they are Erica to answer. Mescaline
is a hallucinogen that became big inthe sixties it is naturally, I believe,
but from several species of cactag Yeah, I was gonna say it's traditionally
used in native medicine for trips.And then all the stupid gringoes got a

(41:15):
hold of it and started making itsomething else or something on top of what
natives did. And by the eighties, I'm sure even though it was highly
illegal, I bet it was notvery hard to come across. In an
empty building, Peter begins to menaceand chase Alva. He chases her into
the basement. She's scared. Shepulls her gun on him. He begs

(41:37):
her to shoot him. She fires, but the bullets are blanks. He
begins to assault her, imagining heras Rachel, and then in despair,
he tries to kill himself with thegun. With a mighty boohoo, he
realizes he can't die. He turnsinto a vampire. He's He starts running
off into the night, screaming,I'm a vampire. I'm a vampire.

(42:00):
The vampire which is this is anotherSaturday night in New York, right.
I was just saying, just anormal thing for the people of New York
to experience. I've only done thatone so you've experienced. It's good for
the one time. I love thathe just literalizes his actions. Now,

(42:23):
he's just like saying, he's notlike trying to tie he's not trying to
use that that. He's just saying, if you fired a blank in your
mouth, blanks in your mouth,you would be dead so many times over,
at least severely. I mean,yeah, as ask poor Brandon Lee.
Obviously you can't just do that withblanks. Wait, brand because there's

(42:46):
a real bullet in there. Areyou saying you'd actually get injured from a
blank? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, there's still an there's still an explosion.
Remember, the onlyest that works isbecause there's still an explosion in the
chamber, and that explosion can stillharm or kill you. Oh wow,
I had no idea. Yeah,you can't, you can't do I mean,

(43:07):
there are different kinds of blanks,and there are ones that are safer
than others, but there are theI would say, the quintessential example.
The only ones that are practically harmlesswould be in Batman Forever. If you
watch Bell Kilmer Joel Schumacher's Batman Forever, the blanks they use in that movie

(43:28):
are so low charge and so harmless. You probably could get away with like
almost sticking those ones to your headand pulling it and you might get like
a powder burn. When I watchedthat movie for the fifth time this week,
I will open for that, pleasedo. Still a great Batman.
There's still plenty to love in thatBatman movie. But I do remember I've

(43:52):
seen that movie since it came out, like it's been that long. Who's
the built in that I don't rememberthat Jim Carrey's Riddler, Tommy Lee Jones
tips, oh wow, wow wowa lot? And then they have sugar
and spice? Was it that is? Those are his girl? Those are
two faces girlfriends who has Drew Barrymoreand a totally nameless actress. I'm afraid

(44:16):
I do not know her now.But yes, as far as blank bullets
go, there are many degrees,and I'm sure modern days, well that's
why in modern days they hardly theydon't even like to use blanks that much.
They literally just do everything in postand CGI it did later so that
they avoid all of those dangers orpotential complications. But back when this was

(44:37):
made, there was probably like onekind of blank and you definitely did not
want it going off within five feetof you. If you were not the
person pulling the trip, you couldstill end it. I think I told
you guys that when I was akid, I used to like, I
used to think that when people diedin movies, like they actually died and
they just got and that's how theydid it. No more than one movie

(45:05):
that they died. Well, okay, you did not tell us this.
This is totally new. Here's okay. I remember this movie in particular in
context of Sister Act, which cameout. But they have a name for
this Erica. It's called a snufffilm about that when I was like eight,
which is also the subject of aNicolas Cage movie. Sorry, So

(45:29):
when did Sister come out? Likethe early nineties? That two? Okay,
so we would have been like eight. And in one of the opening
scenes, right, it's when WhoopyGoldbert walks in and finds her boyfriend just
murdered that man. Right, that'swhy she's got to go into hiding,
Like that was the scene. Maybethat's the first murder I saw on screen.

(45:49):
But I thought, oh, okay, well that guy must have just
wanted to die, and that's howthat works. Yeah, Well, they
actually did kill that guy in thatmovie and just for fun Erica, I
think we're learning a lot about Erica'sabout the world. I was just I
was just going to say that I'mactually very impressed that Erica turned out to

(46:13):
be a well dresed with the doll, Like this is actually pretty amazing years
ago. I mean, it's allreal late bloom In here, so so
well adjusted that she's also admitting thesethings to us on the cast. I
feel like my upbringing is very differentthan Justine, and we learned things to
Justin was raised by the community ofhobos. Erica has like a Forest Gump

(46:39):
situation going on where she's just inexplicably. I should be by that. I
have a lot. I love you, Erica. I feel like this is
pretty great, but I'm start recordingto bring it back. If your vampire,

(47:00):
though, you can buy your lengthin your mouth, it will not
kill you. I mean, itdoes depend on your vampire lore. But
yeah, in general, and that'sprobably I don't know that you would have
zero effect. I'm just not sureyou would be dead permanently. There's also
the fact that with this gun,it felt slightly unrealistic to me that an

(47:24):
elder brother was not immediately more protectiveand like like when she says, like
this is my boss, this guyI get her parents. Maybe not,
but like her older brother feels likehe should have jumped to the defensive instantly
when she told him what was goingon as supposed to be, like,
don't worry about it, like bossis not etc. Like especially for coming

(47:47):
from from Latino culture, like protecting, protecting your family. To quote Vin
Diesel, he just feels felt itfelt like a very He seemed oddly.
He seemed oddly reluctant. I willsay he does come through in the end,
no doubt about it. I wassurprised how skeptically he was to begin

(48:10):
with, because as soon as thishappened, I'm like, oh, ship,
she's gonna get her brother involved inthis, and he's going to be
one revenge prevention everything right now,and he's not. I feel like Vin
Diesel occupies way too much of ourcollective. Never there's no such thing as

(48:31):
too much. I am. Idon't ever think about him. For the
record, Well, oh, Ericwell Erica, We've already uncovered a number
of Actually this is not surprising.Actual name though, Mark Vincent Marker,
Mark Vincent Sinclaire. This is histrue name. Yes, it doesn't have

(48:52):
the same ring to it. Imean, if you're gonna if you're gonna
be a break dancing bouncer in NewJersey, Yeah, probably sounding Vin Diesel,
that's a better name. We allknow about the famous cole Hauser Vin
Diesel story, right when they wereon Pitch Black together. Yeah, they
filmed a movie together and apparently Ilove that movie. That's a great movie.

(49:15):
I recently want to watch those Butthat movie cause kind of calls Vin
Diesel to blow up, and yeah, it was his first starring role for
sure. Apparently Vin Diesel called coleHauser's phone and left a message and all
it said was I'm blowing up.He wasn't wrong. I mean now that

(49:40):
that needs to be in the Libraryof Congress for the future. But like,
no introduction, No, hey,my name is this has been just
I'm blowing up. It doesn't meanit any introduction. Well, Vin Diesel
was hashtagging before hashtaging by twenty years. He was just throwing that at people

(50:01):
on their phone. Oh I lovethat story. Anyways, listen act for
there's a lot of acts to thisone. Peter scared of the sun and
hungry for blood, waits to buyfake plastic bangs at night. Now in

(50:23):
full vampire mode, he goes outto the club and tries to douce a
woman. She rejects them, andthen horrifically he bites her neck, leaving
her bloodied and unconscious. Leaving theclub, Peter sees Rachel. She barely
recognizes them, as it's been apparentlya long time since they last talked.
He tries to attack her before beingthrown out of the club and viciously mocked.

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He's left wandering in the street hallucinatinga session with his therapist before returning
to his destroyed apartment. Yeah,it all starts cascading pretty quickly. Right
now, the dominoes are coming down. I love how he's gonna get like
the custom nice vampire teeth, andthey're just a little too expensive, so

(51:07):
he goes with the cheap plastic ones, which white, which also makes the
question where did his money go?Because he didn't. Somehow, he has
not lost his job. He's presumablystill a weight well paid literary agent slash
lawyer in New York. Why can'the just fork over twenty more bucks and

(51:28):
get the teeth he wants. Iasked myself every day. It's also inexplicable
that the woman in the club isinitially entertaining him. Yeah, despite the
vampire te Cocaine is a hell ofa drug. There's like she is definitely
on standard ass club drugs for theeighties. That part she's not like fully

(51:52):
rejecting until until he starts reaching forher boobs. Right, That's that's the
line. I mean, being afterall lines somewhere, that's probably a good
one to do it at. Ilove that had to go to like because
it was still the eighties, youhave to go to like some weird Asian
apop caarry shop in like the LowerEast Side to get fake teeth, Like

(52:16):
you didn't. That's not that esoteric. It's felt like we needed to have
some mystical explanation. He literally isjust like, no, I have to
go to like a strange stereotype Chineseshop by these do you think it's the
same shop where they got the Moglaexact same shop guaranteed that it is probably

(52:38):
from that guy. He's like,I'm making so much money off the ass.
This character has collectively caused quite afew debts, Yeah, no,
he's he's accessory to murder across theeighties. That's awesome. I want this
extended universe of films right to takehim that universe where they all happen.

(53:00):
Kremlin's Vampire Chess crossover. It's notthe weirdest it's not the weirdest possibility.
Remember at one point the studios wantedMen in Black and twenty one Jump Street
to do a crossover. Oh God, and also Fast and the Furious Thank

(53:20):
You Again, Vin Diesel with JurassicWorld. That makes no sense. I
mean, yes, it makes sensein the sense that you were a seven
year old with a Hot Wheels anda Jurassic So I'm like, dude,
what if this? But like,that's literally what studios thought three years ago.
They're like, what if this andsmashed together two toys, you know

(53:43):
what? I agree? Like thelast Jurassic of part film of the more
recent trilogy sucks. If it hadjust been them like having to drive and
do like heist alongside dinosaurs, I'mmuch better movie disagree hard That was that
the movie we got was James Bondwith dinosaurs, which is infinitely cooler than

(54:06):
the idea of racing dinosaurs with cars, Like you can't help that, but
that's neither here nor there. Justreminding us all how dumb studios can be
in the cross and over possibilities theywill suggest and thankfully the writers will shut
down. We stand with you,the writers, Yes, the studios.

(54:27):
Yeah, Erica, what do youthink about the hallucinatory psychiatrists scene? Weird?
Like he goes in, that's true, and he's it's actually kind of
feels bad. And he goes inand he's like, it's like it's that
scene at the end of American Psychoor Patrick Bateman of his lawyer or whatever,

(54:51):
and confesses to all the murders he'sdone on the bootmail. He tries
to come clean, and then thatguy is just like that was a I
love that. You'll see you Mondayor whatever, and like you can't even
trouble if you want to, Andlike he tells her, you know,
god, I you know, saysthat he raped his secretary, which it's

(55:15):
not clear I think he did her, but yeah, it doesn't. He
believes it's true. Sorry, Iwas just playing with the mute button to
see if the echo a little way. So, but then and then he
says that he thinks he murdered someone, which you find out that is true

(55:35):
because you see the headlines in thenewspaper and I'm a normalst psychiatrist or psychologist
to be like, yeah, sorry, bro, I gotta call and instead
she's like, you know what,it's okay. You know you did whatever.
I remember at this point, butshe was like, that's okay,
try better next time. And bythe way, I had the girl for

(55:58):
you, you know. And hefinds love of his life and there's like
no consequences and she's going to takecare of the cops, right psychiatrist.
Psychiatrists can do that, they canjust brush away the police. I mean,
yes, we're at full psychotic breakat this point. Ninety percent of

(56:21):
what's going on is probably not realityuntil we get these random flashes of like
what other strangers who we've come toknow after the facts are probably just real
strangers on New York City streets thatthey recorded without their permission. Because we
want this is remember correctly, thisscene is juxtaposed with scenes of him wandering

(56:44):
around Manhattan like a man literally likewith bloodstained, torn clothes, speaking to
himself because he thinks he's talking tohis psychic and not even noticing that he's
being chased by Alva's brother. Yeah. Yeah, he's got like a blood
goatee going on. Yeah, heate a person, he drank a person.

(57:08):
He drank a bird. Yeah,oh yeah, we didn't even mention,
like somehow he eats the pigeon orsomething. Yeah, his first kill
is a surprisingly complacent pigeon that alsosheds enough feathers to cloak a turkey with
the amount that it covers his hisapartment. Apparently that didn't harm him.

(57:31):
That was that was totally normal forhim. The drawing enough the drawing of
enough human blood causes him to vomitas it would. I love that he
meets the woman of his dreams andthey immediately start bickering with each other.
Oh yeah, it lasts a goodfive minutes. Like you're already being a

(57:53):
dick, Like it's being dick toyour imaginary perfect girlfriend. Like there's something
I mean, yeah, like wesaid you liked the problem is you.
Well, he can't look in themirror because he's a vampire. Yeah.

(58:14):
He later on where he goes tothe bathroom, you see his reflection,
but he doesn't see it, andhe goes nuts about it, you gotta
break the glass. Meanwhile, thinkingshe's been raped, Alva tells her brother
Emilio about what happened, and theyseek vengeance. They watch Peter Are You

(58:36):
with an Imaginary Girlfriend? As heenters his building, and the brother follows
them up. Emilio finds a wretching, bloodied, distraught Peter under his coffin
sofa, and desperate to end hisown suffering, Peter grabs a large piece
of broken wood and holds it upto his chest. Emilio stakes the vampire

(58:57):
through his heart and then flees outof the room. In the final moments
of his life, Peter hallucinates Racheland then passes away the end and then
lives happily ever afterwards, my girlfriend, he might. That's the thing we
don't know this is this movie isvery open ended. We get a lot
more New York City b roll thatthey clearly pay nothing for, and we

(59:22):
don't really know how was it?N of it real? It was?
We kind of have a warm feelinginside at the end. Yeah, so
it was the whole thing. Itis the whole thing, just like some
giant metaphor for the trivolity of boththe eighties and specifically the yuppies and New

(59:47):
York lifestyle. Is that what thiswhole thing is structured round? Oh?
I don't know, but I wouldlove to see the Law and Order episode
they come in like what you did? What? Okay, we're not going

(01:00:07):
to talk about a lot of this. That would be an amazing spin off.
I would love that'd be an amazingepisode. No. One that we're
at the end. The accent thathe is affecting is his own rendition of
what his father's put on mid Atlanticaccent was as a literary professor. He's,

(01:00:30):
according to Cage's own account, heis imitating the fake accent that his
father put on to sound more letteredand better bread than he was. You
know what I need? What Ineed some bloodlust? Oh stance? Yeah,

(01:00:54):
let's have that stat loss freak outcount and this one a little part
because we're at like a slow rollingboil for a lot of this. But
true, I picked out about liketwenty little peaklets in the in the cascade

(01:01:14):
of freak counts, so that averagesout to about one every five minutes and
nine seconds. Let's rank this filmon the heavily mandate hair to Day Gone
Tomorrow scale. This modern scale,dating back to a few months ago now
has been used to It has beenused by the whore re Urchin to come
to terms with his male pattern,baldness and inevitable death. On this scale,

(01:01:37):
we rank films a lot of continuumrelated to Nick Cage's hair over time.
The best films could be christened themullet Vintage eights an early nineties Nick
Cage Business in the front and allParty in the back. Meanwhile, the
worst films could be described as thehair piece, low budget, bankrupt,
desperate, a little sad and forcedto wear to wear a wig in this

(01:01:57):
sad, pathetic movie. Finally,average films can be called the wind blown,
tussled, wind swept, the hairthat you only get by stealing the
Declaration of Independence and killing Sean Bean. Collect this chee and rank your films.
I can go first, if that'sokay with it, Yeah, absolutely
carry on. This is that greasymullet, the first kiss of young love,

(01:02:23):
a fresh cough of coffee in themorning, the realization at the moment
of death that your life was welllived. This is what Stephanie Meyers aspired
to when she wrote Twilight Similarity.This is this is what Tolstoy achieved when
he wrote war in Piece in theIn the Tality hing Loutzoo summarizes this film

(01:02:46):
quote if you try to change it, you will ruin it. Try to
hold it and you will lose it. End quote. Therefore, Vampire's Kiss
is both the way and the pathtowards the way. Ten Alton, all
right, I'll go next. Thatwas very articulate. That's good. That's

(01:03:07):
good. That touched me deep asI always tried to do a spleen usually
the colonic flexture. Vampire's Kiss isan interesting film with a very indie feel
to it that would probably have beenlost on the dusty VHS heap of cinematic

(01:03:28):
history if not for the one ofthe truly legendary performances from mister Nicholas Cage.
If you watch a highlight reel ofNick Cage freak Out, probably half
of the run time comes from thismovie. He makes what should be a
truly reprehensible character quite watchable. Weget to see Cage to cockroach. He

(01:03:49):
actually did this twice yep, andhe rinsed his mouth out with vodka afterwards.
But more than this, Vampire's Kissis also a feminist love story.
Are our true hero. Rachel isjust living her own life. She knows
what she wants and she takes it. And when she's done and things start
to get weird, No messy domesticarrangements or prenups. She dumps snake's ass

(01:04:12):
and she's onto the next douche.Seven point five stones out of ten.
Nice to celebrate. Have a coupleof vampires kiss haikus that were written by
chat GPT version three point five.You are literally driving creators out of business.

(01:04:35):
We're gonna yeah, you're stealing dropfrom the lucrative poetry market. Feminist
manifesto. Her needs met, Vampiredeparts, relationship ends, cockroach once consumed,
symbol of descending mind. Chaos takesits hold, freak outs abound,

(01:05:00):
slow Cage's mind a rolling boil.It's insanity's grasp. I'm much more a
fan on that note of when weadd tai ku, not by its form,
but by its content, because itmakes a lot more sense. I'm
must trying to than us trying toobserve the actual pattern that a haiku has

(01:05:24):
to follow in Japanese in English doesn'twant to, But I love that said.
Both those works great. So I'mgoing to throw back something to a
rap that I already referenced I thinkat the beginning of the season. This
is from JT Music. So itis a collective of rappers doing a cipher

(01:05:45):
where they all riff on the sametopic, and each one of them has
chosen a verse with a movie thatthey are going with. I can't tell
for sure which of them to credit. I believe her name is Elease,
but there are so many credits onthis wrap it is very difficult to sell
who did what. So when thesun goes down, out come the night

(01:06:05):
crawlers, and I'm about to getsome blood on your white collar. I'll
bite your neck and send you intowild bliss. Have a band aid handy
from a vampire's kiss. Call youIguano, you've gone batshit? I mean,
Peter, what even is that accent? Are you nos ropedu or could
you be faken? Either way thoughyou're either way, Throw your shades on

(01:06:27):
and keep your fangs in its seven. It's like a seven eight minute wrap
where everybody shines in with their ownverse. There is yep. This movie
I will basically be echoing. Issaved by Nicholas Cage. Without Nicholas Cage,
it probably would be much less memorable. Doesn't have it's good points,

(01:06:47):
Yeah, doesn't have its references andsome commentary, it seems. I think
this time around we've actually unpacked alittle bit more of what the potential commentary
in it is. But is ita good execut You shouldn't. No,
it's not. That's kind of itscharm. Is there a way to remake
this movie and actually make it agood movie? Like objectively? I don't

(01:07:10):
think so. I think this moviehas to exist. This movie has to
exist exactly as it is, inthis perfect nether sphere of the late eighties
with Nicholas Cage and an unrealized visionfrom a director who is not one hundred
percent sure what he was going for, but everybody leans into what they're doing
no matter what, and we getthis thing. So I don't remember what

(01:07:33):
I gave it last week, butI'm going to say it's probably about a
six on my scale. So I'mgoing to say it's like that transition point
of Nicholas Cage's hairline where you're notsure where the artificial hair begins. So

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I love this movie. That waskind of boring. It was weird.
It does have an indie feel,which you know, not always fun,
but it was kind of boring towatch. It's hard when you he is
so unlikable, like I mean,honestly full stop okay, but like in

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this movie particular, I mean,it's really cringey to watch how he behaves
toward everybody, especially album. Soyou know, I don't know I in
terms of entertainment value, like Ididn't even like that, but I do
like though, the point that they'retrying to make. I mean, it
is interesting to watch someone just justinto madness. Confusing, right, because

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I don't think it became clear closeruntil the end where you realize that this
is landing up, because this isabout someone descending into madness. So I
like the idea behind, about thattime and history and that lifestyle, and
like, it's an interesting concept tothink about what happens and you're young and
you have you can basically have everythingyou want at your fingertips, but yet

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you're still not happy, and likethat frustration that leads you into madness.
I like that idea. I likethe idea better the execution. But maybe
it's just because I just don't likewatching that, so it's fine. But
given that I'm going to I'm gonnastay four and a half. Okay,
nice. I would like to thankShane Ivers for allowing us to use his

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track Tremendium under a Creative Commons license. Thank you, one, two,
three of minus of palms straight up