If You Want the Ultimate - Point Break (1991) - The Heavenly Mandate

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:41):
Bad news, it's travel news. Watch up a group of men.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
That's fine, you saved me.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
I have nothing to welcome to. You to.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Welcome to the Welcome to the Heavily Mandate. Welcome to
the Heavily Mandate. We have descended from our mountin abode,
momentarily forsaking our kung fu studies, take turn speaking films
and bestowing our unique perspectives on the beligat richid people

(01:18):
of the earth. I am justin the hoary urchin, and
today joining me is the drunken Master himself, Callen. How
are you doing, sir?

Speaker 6 (01:28):
Oh, I'm maybe not quite riding that highest of highs
that we've recently viewed, but it's a pretty good time.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
It's looking better in Michigan. We're only fluctuating about twenty
two to twenty three degrees every forty eight hours.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
So just swimlash snow.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, no, well we're not. We're old now.

Speaker 6 (01:47):
There might still be one more snow, but I'm switching
between various types of betting and garments whenever I go out.
But yeah, definitely feels like spring is in the air
and it's a perfect time to tackle this classic West
Coast fable.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh yeah, Josh, the deadliest of venoms is here. How
are you doing, sir?

Speaker 5 (02:09):
I'm doing great. I'm excited about this one, and I'm
excited to see everyone's lovely faces again.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
It's been a while, Erica.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Lady Deth stab or Cruella the illis is here, trapping
behind the Novaya Mala nova, Michigan, all bricked up into mess.
How are you doing, Erica?

Speaker 7 (02:34):
You know things are a little up and down, you know,
sometimes you know, you burn sometimes at you're on top
of the world, is how it is. I've been living
in lala land a lot lately, between this and four
months of nine or two and zero, which never ends.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
But yeah, today we are viewing nineteen ninety one's Point Break,
directed by Catherine and Bigelow. The film stars Patrick Swayze, Reeves,
Gary Busey, Lori Petty, John c McGinley, and numerous others.
Without further ado, let me pass to heavily mic over
to watch over to wise man Josh, who's young, dumb

(03:11):
and enthusiastic, Josh.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
Uh One correction to your introduction Oscar winning director.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
I mean, yeah, that was my That was literally my
first thought when these credits popped up on screen, just
like the.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
First woman to win directing win.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
An Oscar for directing. Yes, as far as I know.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
Yeah, point Break and now we'll know what.

Speaker 6 (03:38):
It was.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
Not one for Point Break but.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
Plus plus by James Cameron and directed by Catherine Bigelow.
This movie had some big credentials.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
They were married, Yes, they were for a couple of years. Yeah.
All right, I'm gonna jump into the narrative here. Part one.
We are introduce to former Ohio State football star and
rookie FBI agent Johnny Utah, which definitely sounds like a
real name.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Totally is not a cover name name.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
He sounds like a cartoon yeah, or a Japanese American
name for a video game, any of those, any and
all of those.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
He is new to the Los Angeles Bureau. His boss
is a huge, gaping asshole, and his new partner is
the wisend senior agent Angelo Pappis. They decide on their
own to investigate the case of a group of serial
bank robbers called the Ex Presidents, who have robbed dozens
of Los Angeles area banks in recent years while wearing

(04:44):
rubber masks of former presidents Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon,
Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan. Sadly, Gerald Ford has been forgotten.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Sorry Grand Rapids. He sucks.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
They only grab the cash from the tellers, they never
go after the vault, and they're gone within ninety seconds.
Papas has a theory that the Ex Presidents are surfers,
though no one else in the Bureau will take him seriously.
His theory is based upon the presence of asked handlines
seen on surveillance video and remnants of sex wax found

(05:21):
in the crime scenes.

Speaker 7 (05:23):
And sex wax is wax for boards.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yea many things, yea many things.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Utah infiltrates the local surfing community, apparently without any bureau
authorization and going under the pseudonym Johnny Utah. Nearly drowning
on his first attempt at surfing, he is rescued by
restaurant waitress Tyler, who he later persuades to teach him

(05:50):
how to ride the waves. Through Tyler, he meets Body,
her ex boyfriend, and his close group of surfing friends, Roach,
Grammet and Nathaniel. Johnny became drawn towards the surfer's high
energy and care free lifestyle.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
See okay, yeah, yeah, let's just get it out of
the way.

Speaker 6 (06:14):
What an opening montage definitely sets a tone. I think
they took a little bit of a queue from top Gun.
We just need to open with hot scenes, music, mood.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
That's all we're going for with This opening scene. Doesn't
even establish anything about what's going to happen in the story.
It's literally just it's just a music video with surfing
going on.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Back in this era, like you could not film surfing
without it looking terrible, Like the lighting was different every
single shot.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Well, yeah, I mean we're going to come back to
this numerous times throughout. I mean, the fact that they
even tried to shoot a movie like this is kind
of banana.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeah, weird. I feel like you could do much better now.
It's like, you know, drum camps.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
Well yeah, way more, way better technology that would allow
you to do this, But like to just basically like
we're gonna be on a beach with cameras and hope
we can make a movie.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
We're gonna zoom man out surfing like that?

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Is that as ballsy as ship try to do it?

Speaker 7 (07:18):
I don't think it.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Was that bad.

Speaker 7 (07:19):
But again, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
It's not that bad.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
It's just compared to how it's filmed now, it just
it just looks relatively terrible. But it was a limitation
of the technology at the times. You could never like
replicate the lighting between shots.

Speaker 7 (07:32):
Are you are you saying because Catherine Bigelow is a woman,
she can't film surfing.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
No nobody can film surfing.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Back then, Supposedly Patrick Swayze like nearly died a few
times he did his own sons in this.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Yeah about four ribs. He didn't like using a stunt,
a stunt double in a lot of in a lot
of situations. And Keanu learned how to surf.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
And I was also gonna ask I assumed part of
him being cast in this because he already knew how
to serve. But I do not I did not do
any investigation at all.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
I don't think Beauzy did any surfing.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
But he.

Speaker 7 (08:10):
Swayze was a trained dancer, so do you know what
I mean? And he knew strong so he had like
the natural bat athleticism.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
So Reeves has martial arts training too, So both of
them were like physically capable. I just assumed that at
least one of them knew how to surf before this movie.
So you know, I like.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Kana learned on this movie and then continue doing it
like through his life, all right, So.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
This is like the situation of like life imitating art
imitating Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
In many ways.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Basically, Yeah, you know, I.

Speaker 7 (08:42):
Took surfing lessons once when I was in Hawaii, and
the hardest part for me was peddling out to see
every time. I don't have the arm strength, you know,
I mean it sounds exhaust I mean, you'd be fine,
you have all the arm strength like I don't, and
news yeah I could pop up, you know. Okay, I

(09:04):
mean I was on like dummy waves, you know, but like.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
It start with something like that.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
Yeah. But but the issue was like not the surfing
per se as much as like the attempt, like the
setup to get to surf.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
Well you need is like a ski lift to take
you out?

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yes, right, how's no one done this yet? Just like
a ski lift that just goes out like twelve hundred
yards into the water and you just jump off into
the water. Come on, that's finally me.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Was surfing having a cultural moment at this point because
it seems like such a weird kind of plot device
for a film.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
It feels weird to center the whole thing. But there
was definitely a fascination. I mean, there's a reason that
Ninja Turtles are all surfer well Michelangelo's specifically is in
New York surfer adjacent. There was definitely a fascination in
the late eighties to like mid nineties.

Speaker 7 (09:57):
Oh yeah, I mean, so I've been mentioning that I've
been watching Nino two and l like that's my current
nostalgia show, and I've been watching it all year because
there are ten seasons and every season has has thirty
episodes like the one right thirty and they're all forty
five minutes long. Like this is a really old guys,

(10:19):
I got it.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
They're so long, but it's a lot of minutes. I
don't know if it's a lot of content, but.

Speaker 7 (10:27):
Well, but it's so it was very weird. I'm literally like,
I'm literally very much immersed in this right now. And
going from nine O two and oh also set in
the nineties in La to this film, which is the
same time, same place. Yeah, I mean, Dylan McKay is
like the ultimate bad boy surfer guy. It was definitely
a huge part of like that show you know what
I mean, and who he is and like so it's

(10:48):
all in there, you know, which is interesting.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
This is one of those films.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Where now in retrospect as a historian, like I know,
for example, that the ancient Hawaiians view surfing is a
very real, powerful religious kind of practice and experience.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
So it's really funny watching this to be like, look,
these white guys use this as a.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
As a context for a really bloody film.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
We take everything, do you guys?

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Know?

Speaker 7 (11:15):
So this is what I found interesting. So when we
meet Patrick Swayze, you know, he is a little bit
Dylan McKay like he but the more spiritual version, like
he is a super hot surfer. But they talk about
how like all these surfer names are like nicknames, and
they call him Body, which is short for Bodhisava. Do
you guys know what that is?

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Yeah? I didn't.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
I kept waiting for them to explain. I'm like, are you.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
No, they don't, and so I'll explain. I mean, yeah,
for people who you know aren't familiar with Buddhism. You know,
in Buddhism, you you know, you believe to be reincarnated
until you reach nirvana, you know, like when you're kind
of one with the universe. But Abodi sava and when
you do that, you become like your own you be
come like a Buddha. But Bodhisava is somebody who's like
attained that Buddha level but chooses not to enter nirvana

(12:06):
and instead stays on earth to help other people achieve that.
So it's like a tool for helping other people to
kind of reach that highest level spirituality. So when you
meet him, you know, he talks about how surfing is
like a spiritual experience and all. And you learn that
this group of people they're like adrenaline junkies because they
need that like high to get to that thing, which

(12:27):
is such an interesting concept I think. But he's very appealing,
I will say. I mean, that's not my favorite physical
version of Patrick Swayze. I could have done with like
let's let's get away to that like eighties mullet ish thing.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yes, Eric is on more dirty dancing.

Speaker 7 (12:46):
Sort of even you know, we should do them that.
That's a great roasted roast movie, though, I gotta tell you.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
This is a great transition point Erica.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Already we're already at that point.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Okay, we're already at that point. Patrick Swayze, Reeves and
Gary Busey.

Speaker 7 (13:04):
Okay, purely like what I know about them right.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now, whatever you want, whatever you can textualize it for
what you want.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
I don't know. I mean right now, I feel like
Gary Busey can die, and I just don't end with
Patrick Swayzey. I don't know. I guess i'd marry Keanu Reeves.
He's like the stable choice. Yeah, but that's that's probably
not anything like unique, you know, justin.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
I feel like, uh uh, you marry Keano. He seems like,
from all accounts, just to be a very genuine, down
to earth, good dude. Kind of boring though, Yeah, he'd
probably wipe. He'd wipe the calm off your back after
you're done, you know what I mean, Just like he
wouldn't leave you in a mess.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
You killed Beauty because.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
He's a loose cannon, and you can't have that around.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
You can nobody, nobody benefits from.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
And you fucked Patrick Flazy, but you don't clean your
cum off the back of Patrick Swayzey though.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah, wow, I don't even want to have a stab
or are we good? I don't even I don't even
think I can argue with any of that. I think
that's pretty much the most discinct way to put every
possible sentiment about this. There.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Erica is being quiet because she wrote she wrote rest
in peace. Because what you wrote to that, You wrote
that to me in the text message. You basically gave
me my narrative based on a prior text message you.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Did not.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
See, Josh. See how easy that was.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
You give surprisingly easy? What would you choose? I'm not
doing it because this is my question. Yeah right.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
There, No, there's no like other answer though, you know
what I mean, Like, no, I don't feel like no
other answer.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
I feel what I feel like arguments could be made
to Arry Busy.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
Really if the other two were your options, between Keanu
Reeves and pet No, No, that's just fas choice.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
I'm just saying people that.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Arguments to be made, because there's always an argument to
be made. Also, let's just quick sidebar on that what
spot on casting Gary Busey obviously a Greek I mean
the name Angelo Pappus.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, definitely seemed unnecessary to have that because name he
totally could have changed his name to something more appropriate.
Twent he appears to.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Mike or something.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Stick to this very Greek sounding name.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
You know, we have a long history of Gary Busey,
that infatuation. I told Jana, I was like, hey, we're
watching Point Blake. He's like, oh my god, you guys
are Gary Busey. I mean, hearing about it.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Was unfortunate enough experienced that from the beginning.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
I was like, what are the movies?

Speaker 7 (15:59):
I mean, I know his face, but like I don't
I don't have any emotional connection to this guy. Do
you know what I mean he's in.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
And the what Ginger, the Ginger dead Man.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
He's a predator too.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
He's a predator too, Holly.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, I'm sure to tell.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I haven't seen that much with him in it. This
was mostly you two, So.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I was making was at one point, before his head injury, like,
there was talk of him being like one of the
great like American like actors on the level of like
a Marlon Brando Nick Cage in terms of his like, uh,
his gravitazed, his sense, like his sensitivity and emotionality. But

(16:49):
then he had this traumatic brain injury as a result
of a Viking accident, and he's become this huge fucking
laughing stock ever since, and it's to our benefits.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
That's sad.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah, he definitely.

Speaker 8 (17:04):
Was.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
That where he went to heaven, that's where he came back.
That was okay, yeah, yeah, like his life.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
I mean, is he like, is he like normal now
or do you become a vegetable?

Speaker 5 (17:15):
No, I know he's he's not a vegetable, but he's
not normal.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
But he was normally. This is post accident anyways.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
This is accident.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
Yeah, yeah, he kept.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Acting, he kept doing things. He just was notably different
after the accident.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Yes, he had a he had a much changed personality
after the accident.

Speaker 7 (17:34):
Is it bad to say, like, it's too bad it
wasn't like a surfing accident.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
Just like to be a little bit hole there we go.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
I like when Justin looks down at me, when justice that.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Erica frequently crosses the line. Good Jesus, you know it's.

Speaker 7 (18:00):
Bad when Justin looks down on you for your jokes.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Well, don't worry. We have plenty of this left to go.
There's plenty of room left below the bottom of the
world to go into. Did okay? So, like we're getting
like twenty twenty five minutes.

Speaker 6 (18:19):
Into this movie. This is when you start to realize
almost this entire script is doing to not actually be
dialogue per se, as much as it's just going to
be people making quips back and forth at each other
until a scene is over or they need to exposit
some more dialogue.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
There's not like some something that actually tells you what
the plot's going to be.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
It's all human, man, I mean, it's.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
It is the It is the is the ultimate ideal
of human interaction. If we could just spew one liners
back and forth at each other. But does this give
children in this era an unrealistic expectation for what adult.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Conversation Ridley John McGinley. John McGinley just talks in boss quips.
That's this entire thing.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
This is a horribly emotionally abusive work environment.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
You can't even you can't even drink caffeine in the
la Field Bureau of the FBI. Oh yeah, no alcohol,
no tobacco in nineteen ninety one, highly likely both of them.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Yeah, everyone is smoking back then, come on.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Like, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
No, the actual like robbery scene, Yeah, how's presidents were
because that was actually very entertaining. So when we when
they're talking about like hey, you know, welcome to the bureau.
This is like a big problem is we have this
like you know, this group of uh thieves who wear
facial masks of former presidents and they go and they

(19:55):
stick up these banks and then they have ninety seconds
and they leave and you watch the footage and it's
highly entertaining, I mean because there are all these in
these big goofy masks and they have these guns, and
you know they're very efficient, right and they have everyone.
You know, it's just like you expect get on the floor.
Don't little girls shoot you? Blah blahlah blah blah. And
like Josh mentioned, they never go into the vault because

(20:16):
that takes too much time. And as you know, as
he says later, they don't get greedy, which is how
they're getting like efficient at this, and they go and
they get their money and they never actually kill anybody.
So it's like it makes them rather endearing, do you
know what I mean, You're kind of like, well, yeah,
you know they're relatively big tom criminals.

Speaker 6 (20:36):
Yeah, I mean we don't know that until later, but yeah,
that's that's kind of the idea.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (20:44):
What's the other thing about them too, is and and
then when we learn more about like you mentioned that
you know, he suspects that they're surfers. Is because it's
also very seasonal, so they only are like robbing these
la bank banks in the summer, and then once the
season's changed, they like book it until next summer, so
you know, it's like watching a season of television, not

(21:04):
Harry Potter or like Voldemort wast to the end of
the year before he goes after the kids again.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
So pretty much like that.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
There was also a there was this was also like
an era of bank robberies. Well, yeah, in the United States,
bank robberies peaked in the early nineteen nineties with in
nineteen ninety one with over ninety three hundred reported bank robberies,
and it peaked in the Los Angeles metro area ninety two,

(21:32):
So like there were bank robberies going on back then.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Hence Michael Man's heat or Dog Day after.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Maybe, I mean, it's become like increasingly difficult to get
away with the bank robbery, like within the last fifteen
to twenty years. Well, they developed all these new systems,
including like the you know, the alarms, the die packs.
It just became increasingly difficult for many reasons to get

(21:59):
away with bankbies. But this was like this was like
still the golden era before it started to tank down.
I don't know the details.

Speaker 7 (22:08):
Good old days and you Can get.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
You actually was in the zeitgeist in bank robberies were
in the robberies.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
These were the two things. This was the perfect film.
This film was the perfect storm. That's funny.

Speaker 6 (22:21):
I never thought of there's like a there's a loose
parallel to be made here between this and Afflex directorial
debut with The Town m funny because they're on the
East Coast. They wear none masks and their serial bank
robbers around Boston, So it's like a weird mirror image
of this set, like fifteen years later.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Weird.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
The best is when the one robber pulls down his
pants and he's got thank you written across his ass
and he like slaps it as they leave.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
You were to rob a bank, this is exactly how
I imagine you would do it.

Speaker 8 (23:02):
Actually, Josh very yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Do you remember, Oh, we had bank robbery plans written down.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
Theoretical story about us robbing a bank.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:14):
In the end, Alex just goes insane and shoots everybody.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
With Alex, Josh writes me, as a sociopath, I just
start stabbing people and like die with the gunshot in
the back of the head.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Wow, it's so weird he would do that.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
That's so weird.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
I'll share it later, but it's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:36):
Also that time, like a Patreon firewall or something content
Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
Right, we need to bring back the firewall so that
people get the premium content that we're not willing to
share with people.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
I'm going to share with Erica's employer.

Speaker 7 (23:51):
Good luck with that.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Do we prefer the nineties pixie cut or the eighties
Uh mullets?

Speaker 6 (24:02):
Yeah you mean like you mean like fluffy, like like pomp,
like pop big.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Hair, big curly, yeah, big big eighties.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Hair and pixie girl hair for sure all day and
really over.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah when I first.

Speaker 8 (24:18):
Cut.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
So yeah, I'm a fan of the picture.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
I like, I like long hair and everything, but if
it comes down to those two options, now, I definitely
take her haircut over any like like beangles haircut?

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Ever, what do you what do.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
You think, Josh? I actually like the eighties hair a
little bit, but you know it is, it had its
time and place.

Speaker 7 (24:42):
I mean, I'm like, I like long hair. I mean,
do whatever you want, right, but like the pixie cuts
are so masculine and that's not me. And and I
feel like you have to if you're a woman, like
putting that, I think very few women can pull that
off because you had to have really good facial features.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
You know what I mean, probably probably you have to be.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
I don't think so. Yeah, I mean I will say
the people who can't pull it off, like I think,
like Halle Berry is gorgeous, and I think she's one
of I think looks better with like a pixie than
like a longer hair.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
I could barely picture her with hair longer than that.
I know, Yeah, that's how I picture her.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
I just you know, I don't know. It's not my thing,
but and it's contrary to how it looks. They actually
are high maintenance because you have to keep getting your
hair cut, you know. I mean you're young, guys, you
know how that works. You have to cut your hair
a lot.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
It's like a guy with a style obsession, where then
you have to go in every week to get it
groomed back in or it's not going to look on
it to look anymore.

Speaker 5 (25:50):
Yeah, it's supposed to like cutting your hair once a year, right, I.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Mean the hair. I shave my head once every week
and let it go. It's great.

Speaker 7 (26:00):
The big eighties hair also takes a lot of styling.
I had a PERM twice when I was like eight,
I had a PERM twice.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
You did?

Speaker 5 (26:10):
You did? I remember?

Speaker 4 (26:12):
I don't know why you did it except for Justin.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
It was awesome. Justin was a natural per I forgot you,
That's what I mean. Just You did that too.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
It was wild and I did you guys deliberately make
your hair curly because it's a fucking nightmare.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's so.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
And I already had curly hair, but I wanted it
to be even curlier because that was briefly a style.

Speaker 7 (26:34):
So how about Kellen when you did your because Josh
was like fifteen or.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Something, I was probably fourteen fifteen. Yeah, that was the year,
like a bunch of guys did it in our school
at that age though. That was why, that's why we
all did it.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
I don't remember you, I do, I mean, but it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
As obvious that I did it because I already had
curly hair. I just looked more. I looked more groomed
anything that it normally from basically, yeah, and then you.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Did the mullet at some point and I was just like,
what are you doing? It was like, you're just trying
to We were.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Speaking of identity, we have to talk about the identity
of this film and where where it came from and
what came after it, because I think there's quite a
few things to unpack about that.

Speaker 7 (27:29):
I mean, yeah, I mean, one, I wouldn't expect a
female director to do like a surfing based like action
movie that's very like male There's like one girl in this.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Movie, and yeah, not much.

Speaker 7 (27:43):
Yeah, And so I was surprised. I had the same
reaction you did, Kellen, which was like, okay, So there's
like a major you know, big Hollywood oscar Worthy like
directors involved in this movie. This like nineties movie I'd
never heard of, And I mean I didn't I actually,
I mean I was along for the ride the whole time.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
But it's still this.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
I've never seen a hurt locker. It's been on my list,
I've never seen it because it's very intense, Right, you
have to be in a mood to want to watch that,
and I just don't often feel that way. But I
just didn't. So I don't have nothing else to compare. Oh,
I know, you know what I did watch Detroit. I
went to the world premiere when it was in Detroit, which.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Was like hotel shooting that one.

Speaker 7 (28:28):
Yeah, and it was like, really, I.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
That one that looked really intense too.

Speaker 7 (28:33):
Torture porn sounds a little extreme, but it was. It was,
It was a lot, it was. It was really intense.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
So she's a good director. Yeah, she's got some some
good stuff filmography.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
But I don't actually know much about her other than
like those few associations and then this movie which does
which seems out of place.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
But if you're a director, then often you don't know
that much more about a director than their latest project
and what they're best known for.

Speaker 7 (29:01):
So yeah, let's talk about how this movie came to
be and like how they chose her to do this, because, yeah,
especially in the nineties, I would not expect a woman
director to be doing this.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
I mean, do you do you have any particular insight
into how that happened? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Originally it was supposed to be a Ridley Scott film.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
That makes way more sense, That makes way more sense,
Math Scott or Tony Scott.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Tony Scott would have made even more sense.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, yeah, they wanted to make it first back in
like eighty six, like Matthew Broderick was attached, and then
a few other actors that would might have been in it,
but then it kind of fell into like development hell,
and then she and James Cameron picked.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
It up and it was like her first Is this
their first film?

Speaker 5 (29:48):
No, it wasn't her first film. I think it was
there second or third, but her two previous movies before
this were nothing I had heard of.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Right, so they were probably pretty small releases. I'm guessing.
All right, well, good, good insight, Thanks everybody.

Speaker 7 (30:07):
So this wasn't like some kind of like passion project
for her, like I'm really interestid I'm going to tell
this action movie?

Speaker 5 (30:12):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't really think so.

Speaker 6 (30:15):
Probably, I guess if anything, more a case of like
here's a potential bigger, not big budget, but like a
potential high return, good exposure type of movie.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
If I can get the job, I'm going to take
the job, because yeah, I like that much. I mean,
Keanu Reeves is an up and coming star for sure.
Patrick Swayze is well established for making box office money. Like,
if you get off something.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
Yeah, there's there's no way that even if you're not
particularly psyched about the concept, you're probably not going to
be like fuck that.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
I mean, yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
Going to be living on cloud nine here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
In eighty seven, she directed a film called Near Dark,
which is a horror western vampire film.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Is actually really good.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I didn't realize that sounds kind of cool, but it's
actually pretty cool for the time.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Film follows a small Oklahoma town man becomes involved with
the family of nomadic American vampires.

Speaker 7 (31:10):
That makes common the tale of that tired storyline. Do you.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
We all heard it, but there's always a way to
retell it.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
Okay, but what so getting off of that, then we
have to talk about the movies that this film is
an antecedent too.

Speaker 8 (31:37):
Oh yeah, like what like Blue Crust one, mostly for
Justin because if you remember where the burner car ended up,
I believe there's a direct inspiration for a film we
recently watched.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Just oh yeah, yeah, muhalland d oh.

Speaker 6 (31:57):
Yeah, because the burner car is found crashed on mulhulland Drive.

Speaker 7 (32:02):
That true, Oh yeah, I totally caught them.

Speaker 6 (32:05):
And my brain went, oh wait, whose car is it
crashed on mulhulland Drive.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
I wonder they're they're in the same universe.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Perhaps David Lynch just you know, saw a moment of
this film and went in a totally different direction with
his story. What fifteen eighteen.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
I wouldn't I wouldn't even be surprised if that was
that was the seed.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
That Yeah, that doesn't seem less logical than anything else.
So that's one potential easter egg in retrospect. But the
one that will be far more obvious to anybody who's
familiar with modern cinematic blockbusters, blockbusters if we call such,
is that this is one inspiration for The Fast and

(32:53):
the Furious franchise, which I will force everyone to watch
as as threatened prior at some point, oh.

Speaker 7 (33:01):
No return to.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
Hey, it's not actually as bad as you think it's not.

Speaker 6 (33:10):
It's truly especially I didn't realize how close this was
going to be to that I always knew, like that
was always kind of a joke. Is that really Fast
and the Furious started as just a remake of Point
Break with cars instead of surfboards. But it gets more
and more ridiculous the longer that you watched this movie,
as I was doing for either the first time or

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the first time that I could remember, And like, man,
they are lucky they didn't get in any trouble for
copying this.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
Because it was done.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
It was done. It's almost an homage.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
It is almost an homage that has done seemingly on purpose,
like as it goes on, like the basic setup is
the exact same that there's a type of repeated heist
criminality going on in the Los Angeles area, NEWBAAI FBI
agent is sent out to investigate, ends up infiltrating a
various type of underground criminal society, and ends up deeply

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entwined with the family that it turns out, is deeply
involved in the very crime that he's supposed to be investigating.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
So you have that at least as a starting point.

Speaker 6 (34:19):
However, this movie really sets the tone when you realize
that the only beer everybody is drinking is Corona. Literally,
Fast and the Furious took that exact thing and was like,
guess what everybody drinks in this universe? Every party you see,
Corona is going to be the only beer that is acceptable.

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As Vin Diesel famously says in the first one, you
can have any beer you want as long as it's
a Corona and that's.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
That's that's Corona. And amazingly they weren't even paid for that,
so that was just a choice.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
Oh, I was just free advertising.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Yeah, that was just free advertising. Corona didn't even have
any sponsorship in the first day. They were just like, no,
we're making point, We're making point break on the road.
So there drinking Coronas all the time also makes it
a lot more questionable because they're clearly just drinking beer.
And then I think drinking and surfing is probably better
than drinking and driving.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
I would say probably.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
A college for a while.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
ConA, Yeah, I had coronas all the time.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yeah, everybody does, very common. It was like a it
was a pretty class beer that was better than some
other things.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, it was. It felt class yer the drinking American
like Loggers. That was basically the same thing, just from
just from Mexico. So it had that little flare of
foreign flavor going.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
You pop that line, man, you feel a little classy.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
So see, we all learned something.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Did you have other thoughts or.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
As we go through the plot, I'm gonna I'm gonna
continue to bring it back because there are more and more,
but I will point.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Out before we go on if we're moving on narratively.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
Yeah, it's fantastic that Johnny decides he's gonna learn to surf,
apparently without any lessons, without anybody I'm supervising him. He's
just gonna buy a surfboard from a discount John Connor
and then go out into the water and just sort
of drown himself until somebody comes in to help him.
And it just happens to be the hot chick from

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the local restaurant, who, by the way, is Michelle Rodriguez
in Fast and Curious.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 7 (36:42):
I love she is Doddy.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
And yeah, I love yeah, Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah,
we should watch that at some point. We all love.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
We should.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
I would watch that.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I am Lori Petty, Lori Petty.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
She's a kid.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
My bad, she's not Dotty. Dotty's your sister.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
She's a kid.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
She's kam ten girl too.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Oh oh, there we go. It'd already bring to the
next Oh yeah she is. That's a good call too, Kellen.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
I love the U. I love the the John Connors reference.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
By the way, Oh.

Speaker 6 (37:10):
Yeah, that that kid is one hundred percent John Connor.
That's helping run the surf shop. He's going to tell
him Austillavista, dude, and yeah, that's oh a d R
in this movie. My god, do they use a dr
the what is what is automated automated dialogue replacement looping?
Like when you can't get the audio on set, on

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set or on location, so you just go back and
project it on the screen of the actor re record
their lines and then buld it back over dubbing.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Yeah, it's kind of and they try to they try
to match it up though as close as possible to
the lips.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
Like like it's it's pretty atrocious throughout this entire movie
of trying to get because they just have to constantly
re dub their lines when they're in the water.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
When you're doing like distance shots. It's it's a lot
of it's ad.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
Yeah, it's just very obvious that, like the audio was
for the voices was recorded completely clean against the backdrop,
that they're just dropping down like twenty percent up for
the actual recorded on location, so just out of nowhere
you can hear their voices perfectly clear over.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Something going constantly beautiful.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
All right, but bard too Yeah, nope, wait one last night,
Fast and Furious. Yeah, he's ordering at her restaurant constantly
a shrimp sandwich and Brian O'Connor, Paul Walker is constantly
going to Michelle Rodriguez's booth and ordering a tuna on

(38:44):
rye sandwich repeatedly while he's undercover. This will come back later, all.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Right, all right, So, following a clue gleaned by analyzing
the heavy metal content of a hair left behind it
one of the crime scenes. Utah and Papus investigate a
nearby beach where Utah is violently accosted by a trio
of punk surfers, one of whom is Anthony Keatis of
the Red Hot Chili Peppers. So who is a surfer?

(39:14):
I think that's that was the.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Connection here, that's probably guaranteed.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
And these guys are definitely not on drugs. Body saves
him with some kung fu fighting and then invites him
over to one of his parties La. Later that night,
Utah finds himself drawn towards Body's philosophy of freedom on
the open waves, as well as being drawn towards Tyler's vagina.

(39:43):
They kissed and then slam hams. The next morning, Utah
and Papis's raid on the punk surfers goes awry and
results in several punk deaths. To their chagrin, they find
out that there was an undercovered DEA operation in progress
which is now ruined, and the punk surfers are not
actually the bank robbers. Instead, Utah begins to suspect that

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his new surfing friends are actually the ex presidents, noting
their closeness as well as the appearance of one of
the members, bare Asses when he gets mooned.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Utah and Patis.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
Utah and Papus take out a bank that he suspects
they will soon target, and the ex presidents appear. A
destructive chase ensues. Eventually, Ronald Reagan is separated from the
group and leads Utah on a footchase through Los Angeles.
He eventually gets away, but not before dumbfoundingly realizing that
Utah is actually with law enforcement. Around a campfire that night,

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we learn that Body and his gang are indeed the
ex presidents, and Body knows exactly how to deal with
the intruder in their ranks. Tyler meanwhile discovers Utah's FBI
badge just laying around and angrily ends to their relationship,
though not before almost shooting him in the face. The
next morning, Body and the gang force Utah to go
skydiving with him. After the jump, Boddy reveals that he

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knows U Tah's true identity, and then unless he goes
along with him, Tyler, who has now been kidnapped and
is being held at knife point in an undisclosed location,
will be killed.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
The ex President at some point played Soggy biscuit together. Yeah,
olymp biscuit, ookie cookie, whatever, whatever, whatever it is known by.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
You know they did that? Should I don't.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
They're too close, Eric, you don't need to know.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Eric.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Here's what you do. You get a bunch of guys,
You get a cookie. They all take turns jerking off
onto the cookie at the same time, I guess, and
the person who finishes last has to eat the cookie
hents soggy biscuit or ookie cookie.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
By the way, were you the one who wanted to
make this PG?

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Eric, Yeah, Erica blew me up the last time. Erica
was the most raunchy person during the last recording. So
I'm like, if Erica could say crazy ship, I'm just.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Gonna be like bugget because who cares anymore.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
About this movie is that Gary Busey basically had the
entire thing figured out at the beginning, but no one
would believe him.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
They literally he didn't have the case cracked, but he
knew how to get into solving the case, and no
one would believe him until he had a believable, clean
cut Polynesian American man from Ohio to go through and
make this happen.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
I mean, I will say if I've learned anything from
watching like you know, uh law enforcement shows that are
like set in the nineties and earlier, is that white
like male arrogance is like the biggest inhibitor of getting
things done. They're all just like bros Ida you know

(42:50):
every time.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, from dominating the world to being like assholes and films.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
You could do both.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
We can and we will still will.

Speaker 7 (43:05):
Yeah, it's unfortunately, probably more so Trump.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
This is a great foot chase scene though really really
well filmed.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
It's wait, hold on before we gets there, hold on,
hold on before.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
We get there.

Speaker 7 (43:19):
This is a very meaty part too, Joshua.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
I broke into three acts. But yes, yeah, a big act.

Speaker 7 (43:27):
And okay, so a couple of things. I always thought
like surfer dudes were just real chill and laid back.
That's their thing. So the fact that no, no, no, yeah,
he like though the one guy likes so Keanu reeves
and his learning and he cuts off this douchebag and.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
Not forgot about that.

Speaker 7 (43:46):
That's why he does it, right, It's like he cuts
him off on accident. So the guy could just be like, hey, dummy,
you know what I mean and get a fight and
let it go. But no, Keanu Reeves is like taking
a shower and this guy comes back with his buddies
to beat him up. I'm like, you're sir, for you're
supposed to be like not doing that. Just go and
swim somewhere.

Speaker 6 (44:04):
You know, bro most Unbroaly dude, you sure okay?

Speaker 7 (44:10):
And me, Anthony, I don't know if we were supposed to, like,
did you guys at any point actually not know who
the the ex presidents were in the because I.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Know the story plays out anyways, So even if I
don't think I would have been fooled, even if I
didn't know that though, because like it is a really
lame red herring and it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Yeah, I think I think it's it's supposed to be
understood that they're the people, but they just kind of
drag it out a little bit because we have to
have something go on, Yeah, something.

Speaker 7 (44:49):
Okay, So people aren't like, oh my god, it's not.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Them, right.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
I mean if Patrick sways on the poster, I mean
he's gonna he has to.

Speaker 7 (44:57):
That's what I thought too.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
I guess there's that same thing they did in the
first Fast and the Furious, like oh, it's the Korean gang.
I bet, yeah, I bet the Koreans we've met in
two scenes are the bad guys around with helmets that
we can't see. Ever, for some reason, I'm sure they're
the bad guys in reality.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Let's wait and see the end.

Speaker 7 (45:19):
And yeah, going, And then here's the thing. Is like
the movie up until that point was not that bloody,
and like when they do this raid, I'm like, it
turns out it's Tarantino doing.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Yeah, we get some nudity too, the carnage, the nudity. Yeah,
everything ramps up again.

Speaker 7 (45:34):
This is that I don't get cats and big little vies.
But like, I don't know, I haven't seen anything else.
But like, this is not like lady director Vivees. I
would do myself, but I don't know. I should stay.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Just like a pretty chill, pretty chill lady. I think
she'd be fun to hang out with.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
It was part of her face.

Speaker 7 (45:52):
I just all of a sudden, i'm watching this. I'm like, okay,
this was a very I was into the story and
now this is just gratuitous violence for no reason. Do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (45:59):
Well, you love is not even that gory.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I mean, come on, this film totally took me out
of the movie. Like every time I saw him, I
was like, is that red hot chili peppers? And the
fact that he shoots himself in the foot later on,
I believe that's the same character.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
I think, I think it is. Maybe he hasn't died though.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Right, no he.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, Like it's pretty gruesome you see, like the bullet
impact and like the kind of the explosion. I was like, oh,
that's Erican, right. I forgot how gruesome this film was
at times.

Speaker 7 (46:31):
And a few other things they threw in there. So yeah,
part of the reason is, like there's a lawnmower situation.
Let's talk about the lawnmower, okay, so yeah, part of
the reason this whole thing gets out of hand is
because they can't communicate because a lawn more outside. And
then at one point, you know, they had to smash
through some windows and all these things, and Keanu and

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one of those guys are wrestling on the lawn. The
whole guy who was mowing the lawn is freaked out,
so he has turned the lawnmower over like it fell over,
and he ran away. So now there's like a movie.
There's like an un a running lawnmower with a blade,
you know, like exposed, and these two assholes like rolling
over and at one point he like has Keano like

(47:13):
flipped over and he Keanu's face is like a half
an inch away faced and he is I mean, you're
just going I mean, I know, obviously this's gonna happen,
because like you know, this is not how these movies
were the.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Movies it's gonna happen.

Speaker 7 (47:29):
This is just like wtf, do you know what I mean?
Like this is just a little unnecessary, but whatever, it
is just entertainment.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
We're not spoiling that beautiful face. Don't worry, Eric.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Remember when we saw we watched The Better Place together
and at the end of it, the guy shoots the
other guy in the back of the head and you
freaked out about it.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Wait, she was not happy.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
We watched this independent film called A Better Place and
basically it ends with one character shooting the other guy
in the back of the head and like the blood
sprays out of his mouth. It's pretty gruesome. Watched at
my house way back in college. Must have been late
high school.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
This is after you cut your finger off.

Speaker 7 (48:08):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't remember. I remember watching Revolver
and not liking it.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
Yeah, very different.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
I didn't even watch that movie and nobody and I
don't like it.

Speaker 7 (48:20):
So like this was right after I cut my finger
because there is a photo of us and my hand
is all wrapped up.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Yeah, eventually I'm gonna have to learn what the lore
is behind that.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
Yeah, but I thought we were going to give a
Revolver another chance, right?

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Oh that the next is that the next movie we're doing.

Speaker 7 (48:40):
Wouldn't that be funny for nostalgias sake? Except I don't
remember it, except that none of us likes it.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
A new movie for you, it'll be Yeah, it's a
it's a memento if you will.

Speaker 7 (48:50):
Well, yes it is exactly.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Anyways.

Speaker 7 (48:56):
So yeah, yeah, so that was a colorful scene.

Speaker 6 (49:00):
The build up to that scene doesn't feel This is
the most action packed AFT of the movie obviously overall,
but it does feel a bit disjointed.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
It doesn't.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
It feels like more random collection of scenes and then
it just kind of one leads to the next without
Like I didn't know they were about to mount a
raid until Keanu wakes up late on the beach. I
was like, oh shit, I gotta go to a thing
and something. He just shows up and like puts on
his fucking walkie talking, gets out his guns, like we're
raiding the fucking cocher, like the fucking and.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
The guys who are like, you're late to your own raid,
late to year old rate.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
It's like, oh, I didn't realize that this was what
was happening. Okay, Like it's.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Where they were monitoring them the night before, those other
guys in the car just to make sure they didn't
leave basically, but.

Speaker 6 (49:44):
Well, right, they were like hints at it, but it
didn't feel like it was very explicitly.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
And they didn't like say, okay, we're gonna have a
raid tomorrow right out, or that they were that close
to going after these guys, because all they had was
some pretty like small petty shit on.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Them, incremental evidence, but you know that was enough.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
Well and then on top of that, don't let's not
forget their method of collecting evidence on the beach is
going around and stealing people's hair to run a chemical
lab analysis that takes seemingly a couple hours at most
in nineteen ninety one, and it can detect minute traces
of toxic elements in hair.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Yeah, because that was still pre like using DNA in
criminal investigations.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
Yeah, that's that's unheard of, And I'm not even sure
this kind of toxicology would be this advanced. It definitely
wouldn't be just the LA Field office running their own
their own lab.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
Doing that.

Speaker 6 (50:38):
Oh there's like, oh yeah, there's twelve units of selenium
per one million in this, so it's definitely the same guy. Like,
I'm pretty sure this is this is more CSI magic
going on. That's again, Johnny probably should have had an alias,
being that this is how he's going about investigations.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
He's undercovered this real name Johnny Utah.

Speaker 7 (51:05):
Like, what kind of last name is Utah?

Speaker 4 (51:08):
It's pretty dope. It's pretty dope.

Speaker 7 (51:10):
Last name is well, yes, it's like Johnny Neutron or something.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
I was thinking it was more like a porn star name.
But yeah, maybe good.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah, I thought it was a play on Joe Montana.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
They're both.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
It's definitely it's definitely a Joe Montana.

Speaker 7 (51:25):
Oh is that what that is?

Speaker 5 (51:27):
That makes sense?

Speaker 6 (51:28):
That's what I assumed. That was the quote unquote joke,
if there was a joke intended.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
He also uses his real like backstory basically for his
undercover backstory.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
Be dead, Yeah, which is that's another little snag in
this that like you're not in disguise, you're using your
real name and basically your real backstory, which makes sense
because you're already semi famous nationally. Anyways, Yeah, you kind
of are in the totally wrong profession to do this.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Anyway.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
Yes, I was just gonna say that. I mean, because
his backstory is that he was a quarterback in college
and then he injured his knee and that's.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
Why now we're gonna have YI.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
So like.

Speaker 6 (52:15):
He has to hide it, and yet he can't hide it.
So I get him not like trying to use a
fake neighb or anything. But it really doesn't feel like
this was probably the right position for you to be
in at all in the first place.

Speaker 7 (52:27):
Because and that's the thing is like when he first
meets body, you know, and they all bond at the
you know, the fire Oh yeah I can, and they're
reading out his stats and stuff, and like, yeah, I'm
trying to think, who's like the most famous person, like
you know, one of them, you know, Britney Spears are
like I hate Donald Trump, but can you imagine them
going undercover? Like maybe not the exchange here, but yeah,

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but I just can't imagine being like kind of famous
and like.

Speaker 6 (52:56):
Oh, I'm just gonna, yeah, I'm just gonna infiltrate gangs
and stuff like that, and nobody going to figure out.
Also that he constantly reveals himself on these raids and
all these things he's doing, so if anything goes wrong, the.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
Whole thing is any like during the raid or anything.

Speaker 6 (53:13):
Half this even says some wine to the effect of like,
we don't want them to make you so that you
can continue undercover if you need to. But then it's like, oh,
or he can be involved in the entire chase and
everyone will.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
See him no matter what. So anybody who already knew
who he was undercover quote unquote now knows he's part
of the FBI. There's no his operation is sunk the
second that one of these things doesn't go right.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
And then and then FBI is like, wait, we didn't
authorize you to do this.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Well then who did?

Speaker 6 (53:45):
Also who doesn't know one who doesn't check, like, oh,
there was an undercover DEA agent. This is very that departed,
Like no one knew there was another dude under a like.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Held cross reference something before approving the raid.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
Right, just a little bit, just a touch with like
other actually in the area, although because I don't remember
a famous case, what was that like three or four
years ago in Detroit? No, wait, in Detroit two different squads.

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One of them was just going after the other one.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
They didn't realize that the other one was an undercovered
unit for either not the DEA, but like like drugs
and traffics, drug trafficking, narcotics and like the they busted
other undercover operatives by accident because there was no internal
I guess it does happen.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
That's why I'm like, And it only happened in like
the twenty twenties, so I guess this in nineteen ninety one.
Maybe isn't that unfeasible. Maybe it's possible that they would
just not cross reference with each other and be like,
oh shit, you are one two? Okay, well never mind that?

Speaker 7 (54:59):
What old thing though? To go undercover at all? Do you
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (55:05):
I mean?

Speaker 7 (55:06):
And I don't, I mean, I don't really follow this
stuff like in real life, but like what I can't
what is the longest somebody would be undercover for? You know,
usually how like long.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
I mean the guy that did Donnie Brasco is undercover
for like five or six years.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Yeah, he was a long time.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
If you're trying to organized crime, you can be undercover
for a long ass time.

Speaker 7 (55:31):
But who would choose that life?

Speaker 4 (55:33):
I don't people. Those are the people that are either
really fucking dedicated to their ideals.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Or it takes it. It takes a special person.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
I yeah, I don't know. I'm not that person. I
don't think most people are. That's why it doesn't happen
that often. But yeah, there's deep cover operations like that
can go on and on.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
And like do they have relationships? Do they let them
know optunity be a drug dealer like on the side, Like,
I don't.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Yeah, it might be that you'll like only see your
family on like select weekends, but.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Oh hey, honey, just this is one week we get
per month.

Speaker 7 (56:14):
Actually, maybe it's something I should like read more about,
Like Famous King. I don't know anything about it except
for like, you know, miss congeniality or whatever. Do you
know what I mean? I don't follow this stuff.

Speaker 6 (56:22):
But which is a really accurate undercover story as far
I think so?

Speaker 7 (56:27):
Yeah, I mean it looks real to me, So what
a fascinating thing to do, though, I honestly, I wonder
if the people that do that are like the characters
in this movie, like they are people that like adrenaline brushes.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (56:43):
They probably yeah, because.

Speaker 7 (56:46):
That sounds like a great job for them. You always
have to be on your guard. The stakes are high
all the time. I don't feel better for them now.
It sounds like it could be fun for them.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
Also, they're not.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
They're not kicking its people as well.

Speaker 6 (57:01):
These FBI agents and the way they conduct their raid
less than ideal.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
There's not.

Speaker 6 (57:07):
There are not enough people involved in this raid to
begin with, knowing how you guys are. They literally go
into a raid knowing that there are fewer of them
than there are people in the place they are attempting
to raid, like they already have confirmed more people are
in the building than what they have brought to the scene.
And then poor communication, rushed operation they lead. They lead

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their corners on buildings with their gun. That's you don't
do that, you don't They literally like put their gun
around the corner of a building and then follow with
their body.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
That's absolutely not how that's not how you cover.

Speaker 6 (57:46):
A corner in any snary hell, because it exposes your
gun before they like they know a gun is coming
before you're there.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
You don't do that. Extremely annoying. Also that they brought
the two like dim witted dipshits from the FBI bureau
in the district office.

Speaker 7 (58:02):
So clearly didn't have their heads in the game. They've
just been butching, bitching the whole time. It's like, look,
if you don't want to be here, you I'll just
turn this car around right now, do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 5 (58:11):
Go home, Go home, man, go home, bro.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
And then and then pappus just like, oh, hostage situation,
I'm gonna do the old head shot over the shoulder,
no problems, Just plug someone between the eyes next to
a hostage's face and I got it. It's no big deal.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Incredibly accurate shooter, especially.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
With the eyes that Beaucy has. It feels like a
highly unlikely shot to make.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
And also, are you triple cross eyed? Is going on?

Speaker 4 (58:48):
We can't see?

Speaker 6 (58:51):
And and finally, just you know, disarming someone with a
knife in their hand by trying to force it into
a mower blade that is within one foot of your
own face is a really poor way to disarm a
blade as well. Don't don't generally go for moving objects.
This is the method of disarming the blade.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
Survival tips with Kellen these movies.

Speaker 7 (59:14):
Yeah, it's not that I want to see Kellen get jumped,
but I am curious, like, Kellen has a lot of knowledge.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
He talks to you do not you do not mess
with him.

Speaker 7 (59:24):
I would just love to see how in real life
he'd be like, listen, you did not go about this
the right way. Let me show you if I would
have mused, I would have done it like this. This
is where you failed. And this is how I'm going
to kind of just if you.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
If you, if you go after Kellen, don't miss watch exactly.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
I will try not to give you more than one shot.

Speaker 6 (59:45):
Oh ship, I totally forgot And there was one giant
easter egg justin you should have at.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
Least caught it. Did you.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
Give us a little context?

Speaker 4 (59:58):
When I believe it is when Utah is talking about
the habits of when he was tailing the gang completely
off screen.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
We never see him actually doing any real police work
that he does, apparently, but he's been tailing them around
and figuring out what their patterns and habits are. He
mentions them going to a particular place, specifically, body, where
is that place?

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Remember I remember, Oh, oh you missed a gem.

Speaker 6 (01:00:32):
Bodie's place to stop off at? Is Patrick's Roadhouse? Of
road House?

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
That's awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
He literally, they literally dropped a reference to his prior
film in this movie.

Speaker 7 (01:00:50):
Wait what, Oh, I don't know about Roadhouse.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
But I know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
Name making film that Justin and I covered while you
guys were on break or something.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
You say Roadhouse is the worst, I'm saying Erica is
the worst. For not no, no, I've never seen.

Speaker 7 (01:01:07):
I think of Patrick Swayze. I think of Dirty Dancing,
and I think of Ghost and that's about it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
Oh my god, And you should think of Roadhouse and
point Break.

Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
Now wait, why what is Why is that a big deal?

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
Roadhouse?

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I don't know. I'm just fucking with you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
It's it's it is a movie that as a dude
growing up in the nineties, it definitely, it definitely played
a big role. And you know, just it's a movie
that I don't think I've ever met another guy my
age who hasn't liked or doesn't enjoy on some level.

Speaker 7 (01:01:45):
So okay, So this is like, that's a dude movie.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Yeah, it's a dude It's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
The dude's version of dirty dancing.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
Like I guess.

Speaker 7 (01:01:52):
To the finale of part two, which is what you
started with saying that it ends on a very like long,
well done foot chase scene, and yeah, I agree with you.
I remember thinking, this fucker is going on like ten
minutes long. This is long, and it's just and I'm thinking, wow,
I'm out of shape. Look at them. They can just
run out of feed all through the city. Ones in

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a mask's got a bum leg, No one's giving up.
I'm just like, this is quite a feat of endurance,
you know. And the cameraman too, everyone's.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Yeah, I love when he throws.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
That's classic move. Classic move, pick up an animal and
throw it at your pursuer.

Speaker 7 (01:02:35):
I mean they're literally going into people's yards and houses.
They're interacting with others, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
What I mean to Like, he does the sliding glass
door and then he takes one extra second to locket.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
Yeah, it's pretty.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
I mean, just throws something through the through the window
and then he starts getting by the woman's.

Speaker 6 (01:02:57):
It's the classic like uh in Casino Royale, James Bond
with Daniel Craig when the guy he's pursuing does like
the fancy parkour, which is obviously a precursor to move
like through the vent above the thing and like slips
through seamlessly and runs on and James literally just runs

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through the dry wall full force with his shoulder, like
there's no effort at making anything smooth about it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
He just plows through it. Kind of the same.

Speaker 7 (01:03:29):
And then in this case, you know, the the the
reason that Keano doesn't achieve his goal is because of
his bad knee. You know again, I would think, one,
if you're semi famous, you wouldn't be a gray as
an undercover cop. But two, if you have a knee
problem and try, shouldn't be a good as a cop
at all.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Right, So this kind of cop I don't know what kind.

Speaker 7 (01:03:50):
Of assessment was being done before these life choices were
being made, but there seem to be some flaws that happened.
But but yeah, so he his bumley acts up. But
then this is where like he guess is a very
straight shooter or that's a skill you actually do have
to have, I guess with the FBI and doesn't miss. Yeah,

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he doesn't miss, But he chooses because of his affinity
for Patrick Swayze's character, not to shoot him. He shoots
in the air and goes. Patrick gets away, and that, by.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
The way we're talking about's running away and it's not armed.

Speaker 6 (01:04:28):
Right, well, I mean this is still abiding by all
eighties and nineties law enforcement movies in general, where you're
pretty much allowed to just open fire at.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Practically anytime you want during any kind of altercation, whether
there's lethal force being threatened on you or not.

Speaker 7 (01:04:46):
I don't know the roles. So you're saying like they
like that, I don't know, like the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
You can't be like, oh shit, he's trying to get away,
playing play and play and play him full clip until
I didn't hit him, I.

Speaker 7 (01:04:56):
Mean yelled at him later on and said you had
a clear shot and you didn't take it. So, I
mean a different time, you know anything, It.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Hadn't been his frustration by firing into the air multiple times.

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
Wows as famously homaged in Hot Fuzz by Simon Pagan
Nick Frost.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
Hilarious, fantastic. I'm glad we got Chekhov's knee injury. Like
it was set up.

Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
It was perfectly established early on you don't even think
anything about it until it suddenly comes back into.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Play as a plot point. So that's smart, that's that's
well done.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Tight scripting.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Yeah there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I looked up the FBI physical requirements, and there's no
prohibition against previous injuries. You just have to meet certain
standards like a timed like a certain time limit to
like a three hundred meter sprint, certain number of So like,
he's as long as he can do that, he's fine.
He just can't smoke marijuana with in a year of applying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I'm never be a member of the FBI. You guys,
it was like.

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
A black as like a black turned white hat like James.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
Because I'm getting like this vibe of like, you know,
you can't discriminate based on knee injury or like you know,
like obamacarey kind of style, like you can come to
the FBI, we're gonna you know, your pre existing knee
condition can't be a factor. Rejected from that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
But if you cannabis a year ago, forget about it
already out kid.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
You can't have a felon felony conviction. You can't be
evident a domestic violence conviction. You can't violate drug policy,
you can't have defaulted at one point on your student loans.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Oh wow, well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
I guess there aren't going to be any more FBI agents.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
You can't willingly or normally try to overthrow the US government.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Willingly are different unwilling to overthrow.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
If I didn't realize, like.

Speaker 7 (01:07:15):
How standards are different for like FBI agents and like
the president.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Theoretically it should, it should theoretically be the exact same code, but.

Speaker 7 (01:07:26):
You can maybe you don't need to be able to
like run a five minute mile or whatever, you know,
to be president.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
The president probably doesn't have.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
To do that. But I feel like I think they
should have to the same standards.

Speaker 7 (01:07:40):
I mean, sure, in our current case, I'll take it.
I'll take whoever I can get.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
The presidential bitiness standards. When we were in elementary school, yeah,
oh you know, I don't even even back then, I
was like, I don't think the president.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
I got I've got patches forgetting those, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
I don't think I cannot do this?

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Are you kidding? Prime cut Bill Clinton at age forty seven,
he could definitely do this. There's no pub we.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Could do more. Yeah, but George H. W.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Bush and Zebby Bushmill probably could not do it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
Reagan was not doing this, so the ex Presidents take
Johnny on their last bank robbery of the summer, though
he's forced to go through with it unmasked. During the robbery,
Body has the realization that this is going to be
their last ride, so he demands the team break his
rule and enter the vault. During the ensuing delay, an

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undercover cop jumps up and starts raining bullets, and in
the ensuing firefight, Gramit is fatally wounded. The team flees,
but not before Body knocks Johnny to the ground and
leaves him behind to take the fall. Johnny is then
being arrested for aiding and a betting a robbery that
resulted in three people dying, though Papas shows up and
manages to get him away on the pretense of taking

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him into the station in his own car. Papus and
Johnny then head to the Santa Monica Airport, where Body
and his crew are about to flee to Mexico. During
a shootout, PAPIs and Nathaniel are killed and Roach is
mortally wounded. Body forces Utah onto the plane at gunpoint.
Once airborne and over their drop zone, Body and Roach

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put on the only parachutes and jumped from the plane,
leaving Utah behind it take all the blame. Utah then
jumps out sans parachute and catches up with Body, intercepting
him in midair. Utah pulls the chute at the last
second and they both land roughly, with Utah injured but
Body seemingly unscathed. He walks away, whereupon his henchman pulls
up with the kidnapped Tyler. He lets her go and

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drives away into the sunset, leaving Tyler and Utah to
embrace and make sweet love in the Mexican desert, complete
with yellow orange tint to let us know where in
Mexico always dude. Almost a year later, Utah is still
inexplicably employed by the FBI.

Speaker 7 (01:10:02):
We missed a big part of the conversation earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
Yeah, wait, I did gloss over that, but.

Speaker 7 (01:10:09):
Uh, I guess we'll reference it now.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
We're going to reference it now. He has tracked Body
down to Bell's Beach in Australia, where Body has been
planning and riding the ultimate waves of a record breaking
fifty year storm. Utah confronts Body and the battle in
the surf Utah gets his ass kicked yet again, but
not before shackling Body and himself together. As the rest

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of the police descend, Body begs Utah to release him
so that he can ride the once in a lifetime wave.
Utah then has a moment of clarity and releases Body
to the sea, knowing the wave will be his last.
As Body becomes one with the ocean, Utah walks away,
throwing away his FBI badge and finally breaking free of
his old bonds and emerging into his new life.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Bean.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
He has to owe so much money for that botch charade, though,
because they're bringing a fucking helicopter, Like the amount of
money they wasted on that guy multiple times.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
Inexplicably still employed by the taxpayer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
I get it, Like it's fucking great.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
You can never you can never explain why anyone in
these scenarios is still employed by well, but.

Speaker 7 (01:11:20):
Do you know what justin I mean, I don't know
how the math will math in this, but think about it,
that's how much money they is saving that they don't
have to like feed and house this guy for the
rest of his life. He's, like, you know, a pretty
strong young man. He's got another forty years in him,
so really he saved the taxpayers.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
They filmed apparently this last scene quite a bit later
than the rest of the movie. That's why, like Keano's
hair is much longer. He was he was returning after
finishing up with Bill and Ted's bogus journey.

Speaker 6 (01:11:54):
But this is also supposed to be yeah, yeah, I
mean it says like, yeah, there's a timeline in the movie.

Speaker 7 (01:12:00):
Anyway, But Josh, I feel like I need to make
the ending more poetic than since we missed some of
the information, because it actually I did remember thinking, okay,
I still kind of categorize as a kind of a
dumb boy movie, but like I did like the ending
and I found it very poetic. So when Body is
on his like charming side in the beginning, where you're
kind of like drawn to him because he's like this

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guy who loves the adrenaline and it's a spiritual connection
and all these things, and you know, this connection with
the universe by these extreme stunts. He mentions that next
year there's going to be some crazy once every fifty
years like storm that is like an extreme surfers paradise,
and like this was a big deal that he mentioned

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that he's been waiting for this wave like his whole life.
So next year he's going to Australia to do this,
and so that's mentioned right in the beginning, and that
is interesting because you know, that's before we know how
kind of crazy he is, you know what I mean,
how he's willing to injure people in that pursuit, you know.
But I think the whole concept of using adrenaline to

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reach God, you know, is very interesting, but it's important
and it also they one thing that he mentions too
when we first meet Body is I think it's Tyler
that says, you know, Body sees that kind of connection
in you, and this is when he was first going
to learn to serve is like recognizing that you share
that passion for life. The ex presidents, that's their thing.

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They they view themselves as being it's not about the money,
but it's about it's going against the system, as which
they say, and reminding people about the passion for life.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:13:37):
I think that's an interesting idea, and so Keanu Reeves
shares some of that, like he also is drawn to
Patrick Swayze. That's why he doesn't shoot them, and that
of course shoot him and that's why in the end
he lets him take that final wave. But it is
very poetic, you know. I mean at that point, I
don't like Patrick Swayze very much. I think he's a
selfish asshole. And it doesn't turn out being spiritual in anymore.

(01:14:00):
It turns out to you just being a dick, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Really.

Speaker 7 (01:14:03):
I mean it's or more so. But the fact that like,
and those waves look amazing. I I went to some
part of my life to see ways that large, but.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
The videos of people and some.

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
Yeah, anyway, but I just I feel like we have
to make that point to feel like how poetic the
ending is and how it does kind of wrap the
whole thing in like a nice kind of boat, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
Yeah, he ultimately has to die as he lived, conflicted,
as some of the evidence prior might be.

Speaker 7 (01:14:41):
But then my question is if he wasn't going, So
that's also how we catch him in the end, because
he says that he's going to the world, but he
knows this in one place. But I mean when we
first go to Australia to the beach, every other surfer
is like, hell's no, and they're all leaving. So would
he have died anyway, do I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Yeah, probably, like it seems like he would have.

Speaker 7 (01:15:05):
So it seems like he could have just saved more
American tax dollars, like all around. Don't even bother chasing him.
He'll take care of himself.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Don't worry, He'll off himself because he's a fucking lunatic anyways. Yeah,
but no, that's not the point. It's the same as
like he's kind of letting well, well, he's letting him
do what he wants to do and maybe maybe he
survives it and he's allowed to escape if he survives it.

(01:15:32):
He's not probably going to, but he could.

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
So it's like I think it's like even more than body,
it's like the uh with Johnny Utah, releasing him is
him like letting go or like giving up this like
need to be like I need to catch you right,
I'm gonna let you go because that's what this is

(01:15:57):
all about, like uh, not like possessing something or owning it,
but being able to let go is a very Buddhist concept.

Speaker 7 (01:16:07):
Yeah, in that sense, But then you have to think
about it and be like, lots of people died because.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
I mean, why did I.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Get to know all those people. So I don't care
that they had to die because basically none of these
other characters mattered. It was only like four characters that
mattered in this whole story.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
I like to imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
I like to imagine that like during the year between
you know, the escape and then the final capture near capture,
Keanu Reeves is playing twister with the Devil with the
Grim Reaper.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Oh, yeah, he was on the Bogus Journey.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Yeah, he's on the journey. He learned a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
It was quite something that he can come back to that.

Speaker 7 (01:16:54):
I mean, he didn't need to spend that whole year
chasing him. He could have just waited a year and
gone to Australia. Like yeah, I mean I was.

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
Like, how are we still employing this guy?

Speaker 7 (01:17:07):
Yeah? He's fucked up a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
You know, I don't feel like I don't feel like
the real FBI puts that much effort into many things without.

Speaker 7 (01:17:18):
But okay, so after like here, I will say I
was annoyed when Keanu turns around. Keanu turns around after
letting you know, Patrick Swayze do his wave, and he
throws his badge into the ground as almost like a
fuck you to the FBI, And I'm really confused when
this happens in other movies when someone's chained like a

(01:17:38):
corporate desk, like an hook or something, you know, and
like they've lost their soul and they've lost their family connections.
I get that, Or like at the end of The
Devil Wears Prada when she throws her phone in the water,
Like I get it in this case, like Keano, whose
side are you on? People died? Like you're on the
right side. I mean, you could find another way to
be Like I get it, but like the FBI needs

(01:18:01):
to exist for a reason. People can't go around committing
armed robbery, Like that's not okay. I don't like that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:10):
This is very unlike you. I feel like you had
a very different opinion on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Crime.

Speaker 7 (01:18:22):
I mean, I'm just like, you know, I just feel
like I get the idea, but it wasn't fully you know,
Patrick Swayze, I don't like that. I didn't like him
in the end, do you know what I mean? Like
I liked him in the beginning. And I can support
you to some degree to that adrenaline rush when there's
no one actually killed, but that you're greed and you're
like arrogance and selfishness took over, so then all of

(01:18:44):
that is negated. That is not how Buddhism works, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
And people die because.

Speaker 6 (01:18:48):
In the end, in the end, in a weird way,
his ego is what's sort of driving him to do
the things he does, even though he wouldn't think of
it as his ego. It is like like.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Sorry, taking Tyler hostage and putting her in the hands
of someone who're like, I don't have any control over him,
even though he's literally your goon, and being like.

Speaker 6 (01:19:09):
Sorry, you're just stuck now, and you have to go
on this, by the way, totally pointless extra bank robbery
with me that I don't need you for at all either,
and force this whole scenario for my own adrenaline.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
That's all ego.

Speaker 6 (01:19:22):
That's that's a purely egotistical move to like force him
into this position, threaten someone else's life, and then do
extra things on top of that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
Yeah, he's still acting in a completely egotistical manner. So
we'd like post modern breakdown and be oh, a lot
of this stuff is just a pose. It's not real.
It's just him. It's just his way of contextualizing and
justifying what he likes to do.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
Creating a situation.

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
Yeah right, it makes it seems it's a little bit
more culty in a weird way, like this is how
he wants it to be.

Speaker 7 (01:19:55):
He's raising the standards. He says that for himself. I mean,
he does that because you know, he wants to up
the ante. But yeah, I just I don't know if
I would have liked it better if it sort of
kept him as like I would have enjoyed the whole
throwing the badge into the water more. If Patrick Swayze's
motivation stayed more pure of you know this, it would.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Have been a lot clearer, would have been a lot cleaner.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
You can have too good, because then you don't have
a villain, but you have you have a you know,
conflict villain that the audience can uh connect with. I
guess it's just.

Speaker 7 (01:20:32):
So much less likable in the end that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
I'm just saying, we got to watch the first Fast
and Furious because this is basically is all that.

Speaker 7 (01:20:40):
Did you guys? I thought about this too. I don't
know if you guys thought this second one. When when
when Taylor and Keanu reeves your Johnny Utah get reunited, right,
and like she sees and Patrick Swayzey sees that guy
body you know, body sees the car driving up with
Taylor in it. I really thought that Taylor was going

(01:21:03):
to be with him on like his side, like like
you know, part of the whole scheme. Yeah, like part
of the whole scheme.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
Yeah, you know he knew about this.

Speaker 7 (01:21:13):
Well apparently she didn't, but I thought, like it all
could have been like a big setup. I mean, she
is Bessies with these guys on the person.

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
She she wasn't part of it, but she knew they
did that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:24):
Yeah, I don't know why. I was a little bit
disappointed that she wasn't in on it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Well well then okay, then actually I was criming.

Speaker 6 (01:21:33):
I've never watched the modern remake, but in the modern remake,
that's probably what they would do.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
The modern remake, the remade they yeah, I know they
did remake this movie.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
They did like twenty eighteen.

Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
Don't don't watch it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:47):
Wait, are you being serious?

Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
It was remade?

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
Yes? Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
The reason's unclear. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 6 (01:21:54):
Another area borroats of like they made point break and
then they made fast and the furious and then they're like,
what if we make point break? But it's basically just
a Fasten the Furious movie, So it just does a
weird loop of what's remake rods?

Speaker 7 (01:22:11):
Oh my god, I didn't know that. Why I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Any of these dancing They already well they made a
sequel quote.

Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
Yeah, inexplicably like thirty years after the original.

Speaker 7 (01:22:23):
Yeah, I mean I feel like when the directors of
the original are like still alive and well, you know
what I mean, Like, you don't get to remake it,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
What I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
They get to Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:22:37):
Was that movie big enough where they thought we'll make
more money doing this again.

Speaker 5 (01:22:41):
They made a lot of the originally made a lot
of money, Yeah, for its budget.

Speaker 7 (01:22:45):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
I don't think they got anybody famous to be in
the remake.

Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Are you all ready for the scale?

Speaker 7 (01:22:55):
Even at the level of yeah, I don't want to
go first, though, you want to go first, and you
do not want to go you do not want to
go first?

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
Okay, do not.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Let's rank this film on the heavily mandate ten Stone
Celestial Harmony Scale. This ancient scale, dating back to the
founding of the Han dynasty, was used by the stage
of the Woodang Mountains for millennium.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
For millennia.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
To pursue earthly and spiritual excellence, films jump from one
stone to the next along a path towards nirvana and
the cessation of all worldly suffering. The best films will
reach the tense sort of enlightenment, while the worst stones
will trip upon the first and face reincarnation as Gary
Busey's butthole.

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
Which which we determined was floppy or not?

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Yeah, I think it's pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
Loose or is it just a small yappy dog.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Average films will reach the fifth stone and reincarnate as
a random nick Cage product. Collect your child?

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Are blending?

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
I know?

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
First?

Speaker 5 (01:24:06):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:24:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Please during a meeting today, I spent some time writing
to Haiku and of the main characters, and maybe you can.

Speaker 7 (01:24:16):
Tell you in a meeting today. Aren't like a public university?
Is this what our text?

Speaker 5 (01:24:22):
Dollars now? To be fair only in texpairers?

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Yeah right, if enough, Haiku number one waves crash guns blazing,
Utah Rise, the storm of trust, Freedom dies.

Speaker 9 (01:24:40):
Whoa wait, wait, which kind of whoa?

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
Like Shakespeare?

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Whoa?

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
All right, it was hard to make it was like,
how did I know? He says it in kind of
two syllables, So that made it work. Last last one? Uh,
I know I had to make it work.

Speaker 8 (01:25:12):
I was sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
Last one.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Chasing endless waves, body laughs, into the void, Peace, beyond
the Break, nice, beautiful, I wrote.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Could not have done better.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Yeah, I gave this to ten Alton.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Oh, Jesus.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
Was next?

Speaker 7 (01:25:39):
Josh? You's going next?

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
Okay? H Point Break? What a ride? Rightly occult classic.
This movie is insane, absurd, and thrilling, and despite being
a little long for its own good, where else can
you get swazed and busied within the same film? Mm
hmm Swayzy and busy have never been better? And while
Keano has been better, he's probably never looked better.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
That's true.

Speaker 7 (01:26:03):
That's very fair, dude. I mean, I don't know, Josh.
Do you remember Dragon?

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
I'm well leave Josh, Leave Josh.

Speaker 5 (01:26:15):
This movie made me want to surf. This movie made
me want a skydive, but at least didn't make me
want to rob a bank.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
That's fair.

Speaker 5 (01:26:24):
I'm gonna give this one nine stones out of ten.
And for my poem, there is a poem called in
praise of Point Break, in fifteen parts written by some
named Drevlo. This is the Howl of fan poems. There

(01:26:46):
is a recording of it on YouTube that's seventeen and
twenty one seventeen minutes and twenty one seconds long.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Holy shit.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
I am only going to read part one, thank you,
but I encourage everyone to listen into.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
The full one.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
The chat part one of in praise of point break
in fifteen parts by Dreblo, Gary Busey says, surf's up.
Ace says, welcome to sea world. Kid says, just sack
stone and ask questions. Gary Busey has been a cop
in LA for twenty two years, and in those twenty

(01:27:24):
two years, two big things changed. The air got dirty
and the sex got clean. He says, drum roll please.
During his twenty two years in the line of duty,
Gary Busey has fired has gun nineteen times and he
has no idea what a blind man fetching a brick
from the bottom of a pool has to do with
being a DA agent. Gary Busey says, listen, you little shit.

(01:27:47):
I was taking shrapnel in Cason when you were crapping
in your hands and rubbing it on your face. Says
when I started in the bureau, you were still popping
zits on your funny face and jacking off to the
lingerie section of the Sears catalog, says, last time you
had a feeling, I had to kill a guy and
I hate that it looks bad on my report, says,
speaking to the microphone, squid Brain, Gary Busey is so hungry.

(01:28:11):
How hungry is Gary Busey? He is so hungry he
could eat the ass end out of a dead rhino
and then proceeds to eat two meatball hogies while a
group of surfers turned bank robbers he's taking out proceed
to rob the bank across the street. How does Gary
Busey know that the bank robbers who dress up like
dead presidents are actually surfer punks in disguise. Freeze that
for me, he says. He points at the screenshot of

(01:28:34):
LBJ mooning the security cameras after the dead Presidents robbed
their thirtieth bank in three years. The tan lines, he says,
just look at those tan lines. That and the fact
that trace evidence from one of the robberies has been
identified as sex wax, which Gary Busey says, demonstrating how
to apply sex wax to a surfboard and the fact
that they only rob banks in the summer. Gary Busey says,

(01:28:55):
when summer's over, they vanished like a virgin on prom night. Swish,
he says, with a flick of his wrists, it sound effective.
Purchase forget about a kid. Gary Busey warns their ghosts
to borrow a line from another rye La detective Gary
Busey is too old for this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
I linked in the chat for you guys to read.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
It is incredible that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:23):
That's that's basically just all of his key lines for
the entire like first.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Act of the movie, right, basically, Yeah, a lot a gleaning.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
That's it. Who's next?

Speaker 7 (01:29:37):
I want to go last this week? I never get
last anymore, all.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Right, that's what she said. I don't know, that's all right.

Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
Well that said, I don't believe I've ever watched this
movie and to and at any point, or if I did,
I'm too young. I was too young to remember it. So,
although I know many of the references in the general framework,
a lot of this still had an air of novelty
to me. Barring some cool scenes like the skydiving or

(01:30:10):
the chase which have been covered in commentary videos that
I've watched. It's a unique gem of its time. I'll
say that I sadly didn't even bother pursuing any kind
of poetry or song to encapsulate any feelings or no.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
No, no battles, no raps, nothing of the sort.

Speaker 6 (01:30:36):
But I'm gonna go ahead and say that this ranks
about it's getting to about the seventh stone of enlightenment
for me.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
It doesn't quite trip on the way there, although it
hesitates on a few stones, and I cannot help. But
as already alluded to think that certain movies in its
own vein that came later actually took this as a
building block and then made something of the little bit more
a little bit superior to it, if I may so.

(01:31:04):
Seven Stones. It's a great movie. It's definitely rewatchable. It's
enjoyable as shit. It's just a little bit front loaded,
and the ending feels a little bit rushed and maybe
a little bit philosophically and coherent. But it's nineteen ninety one.
What are you gonna do?

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
A point break? Reborn in the cycle of Sam Sara
is the Fast and the Furious.

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
Yeah, Basically, when it died. That's what it became.

Speaker 6 (01:31:33):
Yeah, that's a completely fair that's a completely fair way
to put that.

Speaker 7 (01:31:36):
So I guess in the long game it succeeded. But
this is just the first part.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Of the.

Speaker 7 (01:31:42):
Yeah, all right, Erica, Okay, I think everything you've said
is very fair all around. You know, I went in
with my normal like, oh dear God, what am I
being made to watch this week attitude.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
We can't blame that because it's usually accurate.

Speaker 7 (01:32:02):
Yeah, but I was actually, like, you know, pleasantly surprised
that I was enjoying watching the film. And you know,
but I will say in terms of like you kind
of touch, like the pacing is weird, Like I, you know,
it was moving fine, and then you know, like the
questions I brought up, like are we supposed to be
surprised at the bad guys they thought were the bad

(01:32:22):
guys were not, and like that whole scene was like
unnecessarily violent.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:32:27):
I don't like when stuff's just thrown in for well
entertainment that I don't find entertaining, But I guess that's
how it works. But you know, so that you know,
the action did seem a little bit unbalanced, but I yeah,
I think what kind of want Like Kelen had said too,
it's like philosophically, I like, I think it's a very
interesting concept about using Adrellaine to reach God. And I

(01:32:49):
love the idea that like Patrick Swayze, you know, his
character could have been like a Robin Hood type of figure.
You know, he says that they're going against the system.
You know, they're here to remind people of what life
is like when they're not feeding the poor. But there's
something like there's a deeper meaning to the crimes that
they commit. And I think people like to glamorize, you know,
like bank heist because people aren't dying, you know what

(01:33:12):
I mean. And it's like a kind of a fantasy
that you could get away with something that really doesn't
hurt people directly and it's very glamorous. And if it
kept that way, then I would be more of a
fan of that. But it just turned his ego turn bad,
and I think it didn't. It wasn't coherent, like Ellen mentioned,
you know how Keanu somehow whatever statement he's trying to make,

(01:33:35):
I don't it didn't make. It didn't work. But I
did find you know, I liked the ending. I thought
it was very poetic. I would have liked it better
if I liked Patrick Swayze in the end, but you know,
it's fine. I did love the end. I like the
surfing stuff. I thought the skydiving scene was very cool.
I'm very curious how you can control your fall like that.
Maybe that would be my next goal. And the only

(01:33:57):
reason I brought that up to, by the way, is
because when Keanu dives freely with no parachute, apparently the
skill he learned in the group dive floaty ring thing
is what you know, we learned to be able to
just randomly jump out of a plane and find your
person to make that work, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:34:14):
I'm also I'm still gonna say you probably cannot, As
with every single movie that does this, you cannot catch
up to someone who is.

Speaker 5 (01:34:21):
Because you're both doing velocity. Yeah yeah, seconds.

Speaker 6 (01:34:27):
You can't catch up to them because they've already reached
that and you are not going to no amount of
maneuvering means you make up one hundred yards.

Speaker 7 (01:34:35):
But whatever, especially it's cool, you know, yeah, yeah, well
because everyone can do.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
It in every movie you've ever seen, it always happens.

Speaker 7 (01:34:43):
So yeah, we know, we know I mean will say
I blood is bravery. I remember thinking, what is the
game plan here? You literally just jumping off a blane
with nothing, but it works so well. Here's where I'm torn,
Right where I'm like, I kind of want to hear
your numbers first, because this is still in some level
like a dumb boy action movie. Do what I mean,

(01:35:04):
like the violent yeah no, but stage yeah exactly. But
so I'm like, I can't feel like I can't score
that high. At the same time, it was entertaining and
there were some nuggets of things that were cool, and
some of the filming I found very interesting. So I

(01:35:25):
don't know. I guess I want to say seven. That
does feel like it's higher than it should be, But
I'm just gonna general.

Speaker 5 (01:35:31):
Yeah, we like generous

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Erica one, two, three, palms dank straight up

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