The Serial Killer and the Tea Party - Con Air (1997) - The Heavenly Mandate

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Speaker 4 (00:41):
It's bad news. It's travelers. Watch up our group of men.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
That's fine, you.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Saved me. I have nothing to welcome to you. Welcome
to the Welcome to the Heavily Mandate. Welcome to the
Heavily Mandates. In the past, we have come down from
the mountain and interrupted our study of kung fu to

(01:13):
review films of suns Equality for the Wretched and believed
people of the Earth. Now we study secret Skulls to
steal the essence of Nick Cage's kung fu. The counter
is the tip is the temps to destroy the world.
So join us as we master his eclectic flow, as
we match his intensity and expressiveness, as we open ourselves

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up to his emotional empowerment, and we marvel at his
unorthodox techniques. And he was just in the horious diversions.
And I'm joined today by the drunken master Kellen. How
are you doing, Shifu?

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Oh? Well, I'm trying to adjust to this elevated altitude
that we're now operating at, just so I can get
the right hound dog kung fu down to finish out
the rest of the season. And I think I'm doing well.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Josh, The Deadliest of venoms, the deadliest of vendoms is here.
How are you doing, Buddha?

Speaker 5 (02:10):
How is this not a Michael Bay movie?

Speaker 4 (02:15):
That's You're just in a state of wonderment, that's your entire
state of things.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
And Erica, Lady Deaf said, the Black Widow is here?

Speaker 6 (02:26):
How is it hanging?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Erica? Both literally and figuratively?

Speaker 7 (02:31):
Okay, I not be sure.

Speaker 8 (02:33):
How to how to interpret the first part. I let
that one sit for me.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
You know what you're about.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
The whole world doesn't need to know that something's I
got to keep on the my within my shoal myself.

Speaker 8 (02:46):
But I'm good.

Speaker 7 (02:49):
It's been a little bit of time because I have
I'm a big stage performer now, so I've had to
take a lot. Yes, yes, but now I've made some
and I'm actually like, I had to admit I kind
of like.

Speaker 8 (03:06):
The movie, and I didn't want to admit that, but I.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Just oh, this is like the first time.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, well, I know, but it's pretty close.

Speaker 7 (03:15):
I stayed up watching it until it's two thirty last night,
but I'll procrastinating on it. I was like, I don't
I think I'm gonna hate it. I don't want to
give it all my attention. I got to find another
activity and then part of my power went out and
I was like, not an option. So I was like, oh, geez,
looks like it's gotta be now. And I was pleasantly surprised.
I was like, I'm into it.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Thank God, I have to.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Watch it in chunks.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Today we are viewing nineteen ninety seven's American action thriller
con Air, directed by Simon West, the director who gave
us the iconic music video for Rick Astley's Never Going
to Give You Up?

Speaker 8 (03:51):
Did he do Together Forever as well?

Speaker 1 (03:53):
That was my play no nois Yeah, I'm totally serious.
Check it out.

Speaker 8 (03:58):
Okay, I'm going to what's his name?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
His name is Simon West.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Which is which is the first full circle full circle
fitting because Michael Bay was related to music video director
as well. So primarily what Jerry Bruckheimer does is take
music video directors and them and the three like they
get three hundred millileaters of cocaine to start and then

(04:28):
two and two firecrackers and Parak Cheimer says, do what
you will. I will, I will let you do whatever
you want.

Speaker 7 (04:38):
It was actually a different person, Mike Brady, who directed
Together Forever, which is my favorite Castley song.

Speaker 8 (04:43):
But I don't know if I've seen.

Speaker 7 (04:45):
The Never Gonna Give You a video, but the Together.

Speaker 8 (04:48):
Forever video is hilarious. It is so cheesy, it is
so eighties.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
It is delightful, and it's not the same guy.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yeah, they together in my mind, I can see that.

Speaker 7 (05:02):
Yeah, you know, was like, I don't like concerts, Like
I'm not. I don't really, I'm not into it. I
get bored even for people I like. But I did
shell out like thirty bucks to see Rick Astley when
it came years ago, and it was amazing, and he
is so nice and he like doesn't take himself too seriously.

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So he was like, yeah, he's like, it's like, I
know you're one my hear my like eighties hits, but
like just like one of my new stuff.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Oh he's I know.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
He was like, let me experimental techno.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Just just he was with me.

Speaker 8 (05:42):
Yeah, He's like, just there with me, let me play
some of my new stuff.

Speaker 7 (05:45):
And he made never going to give you out last
for like twelve minutes at the end.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
It was he was funny.

Speaker 7 (05:50):
He was like, that's great, great concert experience.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
That's the money shot for the audience.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
It truly is Rick. Thank Rick Castley.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
He was sprang everybody down.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
The film Stars, the Demand, the legend, Nick Age, Oh yeah,
Star is one of my favorite actors. John Cusack, the
amazing John.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Not love him that much, but I like him a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
I have a thing for him. I don't know why.
The Stars, the incomparable, Steve Bmi being raims delightful, Danny
trey Ho, Dave Chappelle.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
I forgot that Dave Chappelle used to be in movies
a lot. Yeah, in the nineties, and then it really
dried up.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Parts usually not really much, but he would show up
and if he has a hell of a cast.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, Like even the background players are like background players
that you know from other roles.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Like it's it's really fascinating.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
It was a cottage industry in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
So sit back, relax, join us as we unstrap wise
man Kellen from his Hannibal lecture year and we let
him run wild in the back of his airplane. Take
it away, Kellen.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
All right, thank you for that. Incomparable introduction as we
go for superlatives for everything. Yeah, you've been been unmuzzled. Yeah,
that's a good way to put that. Yep. So here
we are with my with con Air, as I said,
and promise not to be confused with the line of

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household and personal grooming appliances, nor inspired by It just
happens to have the same name. It's directed by.

Speaker 7 (07:42):
Oh I never thought about that now, because.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
As a child I did many times.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
That's funny.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
That might be.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
So the the the company like the company was first right,
they were, they were, they've.

Speaker 8 (07:58):
Been how they felt about that movie when it came out.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
I mean, given given Nicholas Cage's hair, there was a
definite possibility for some cross promotion that nobody took advantage of.
Like we could have had had we could have had
con air right off screen blowing Nicholas Cage's hair and
made great. Yeah. But alas no, as discussed, this is

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directed by Michael May, otherwise known as Simon West. He's
not Michael Bay, but you would think based on what's
going on, he probably would have been another protege of
the immortal enigma that is Jerry Bruckheimer. So let's get
right into this narrative. Now, Like many a nineties action flick,

(08:50):
we get a quick intro to our lead via credits
over a montage. Cameron Poe is an honorably discharged Army
ranger going home to Mobile, Alabama to start the family
wife the family life with pregnant wife Tricia. Accosted by
the South's stupidest of good old boys, he commits manslaughter
in a blind moment and takes the guilty plea on

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the presumption of leniency. Instead, he receives a seven year
sentence that seems highly dubious for a decorated white military
veteran in the Deep South. Letters are his only connection
to his family until his impending release. But first there
needs to be a rather vague mass transfer via aircraft

(09:31):
of hard cases, nutcases, and cases in point why the
prison system is broken. Chief among them are Bing Raim's
as Diamond Dog, Nathan, John Malkovich as Cyrus the Virus,
Danny Trejoe as Johnny twenty three, and a surprise Dave
Chappelle as Pinball Joe Or then entered John Cusack us

(09:54):
Marshall Larkin, and a tacked on subplot about trying to
milk and off the book's confession from a particular fular
Con via an undercovered Dee Dee agent planted on the flight.
So that's our opening. It's about half hour.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I just heard Diamond Dog as Diamond Dog, and I
was like, yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
I like that.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
I'm not at all.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
I'm playing with you. All I got to say is, uh,
you can do a lot worse in in Florida with
standard ground and get off.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
I mean, even even in the nineties, this feels like
a pretty This doesn't feel like a very hard sentence.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
Yeah, I feel like is it manslaughter or just self defense?
There were three of them jumping one person with like
a broken bottle.

Speaker 8 (10:47):
It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
I am not I didn't look this up. I'm not
one positive that self defense is the technical legal term.
Manslaughter might count as a kind of self defense, But
then they also make the argument, or the judge does
when he's handing it down, that because of his special
training and his increased ability to kill, self defense might

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not even be like a legit plea for him to
make because of how enabled he is to kill people.
I'm not sure it's the same way that like you
don't charge somebody with homicide, you charge them with murder.
Homicide is the investigation, murder is the charge when you
go to court.

Speaker 7 (11:30):
I can't imagine manslaughter and self defense are the same
because like manslaughter is like you know, maybe I accidentally,
like I missed the red light or the sun was
in my eyes, and I killed someone. Where it's like
if somebody goes at me and it's him or me,
and you came after me and I slice you up,
that's self defense and I'm not going to go to
prison for that.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Well, right, I.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Could see what they're trying to do here, like they
have to make him their main character be a convict,
but they want they want it to be something that
it's going to be sympathetic to the audience, but.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Immediately clear.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Yeah, they could have found another way.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
I think I think they did a deep dive.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
And oh and it's really wild how often bar fights,
like kind of like what we see in this movie
turn into murder charges even if they are provoked. I
saw like at least seven or eight cases when I
googled it. Also, the deadly weapon thing is a complete myth.
No one is ever registered as a deadly.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Not a registered These hands are deadly weapons.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I had to register them at the police station.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
Always cracked me up.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
About the concept that because of your particular condition, you
might be held to a higher level. Not legally, but
someone could definitely still take that into account when you
get sentence that like the same way theoretically, one would
hope if like, hey, you were an off duty cop,
you had other remains and abilities available to you than

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just resorting to immediately killing the person because of your training.
So that's that's where I could see the difference between
them declaring it manslaughter versus self defense, of like he
had more control over whether or not that person died
than what he exercised in the moment. I'm still also

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not clear. Did he just pulled the old like jam
the the nasal bones into the brain or did he
saw that it was definitely a head hit, but it
was so quick and so flashy and blurry, I wasn't
positive exactly what he was supposed to have done. My
memory is from a kid, was that he somehow ended
up with the knife and cut the guy's throat without

(13:51):
really thinking about it. But that night I know how
to do that because the end of.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
The night, the guy tried it to slash him with
a knife, but then he punched him in the head.

Speaker 7 (14:03):
Yeah, because I feel like if someone comes after you
with a weapon and you just I mean, it's one
thing if he had a gun, I mean even that
if you fire me, I'll fire you.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
But like if he.

Speaker 7 (14:13):
Brought like a gun to a fistfight, maybe, but like
they had a weapon and he just punched you back,
And I don't know how much control do you have
in that.

Speaker 8 (14:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
I mean, that's why I mean, they have to make
you know. He did something that's very sympathetic to the audience.
So you're not going to be like, Okay, this is
our main character is a rapist, But.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
What if it was Steve Buscemi's character that that they
had did this for that character.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
But we'll get to I know, I think it's more
indicative of how bad his lawyer was. That lawyer didn't
fight at all. He's like, listen, I'm any coke money.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
So yeah, right, this is this is This is a
lawyer who gives active counsel in the lobby of the
courtroom instead of waiting until they're in closed chambers, like
probably not the greatest defender in the world. Again, it
does kind of seem to me like, well, there's a

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number of things. Obviously, it's all to serve the purpose
that Josh is saying about setting up a sympathetic character
and trying to do it in the rapid fire nineties
way of like, look, by the time this opening montage
is done, we got to pretty much know where the
story's going. We don't have time to start thinking and
talking about stuff. We can't wait forty minutes until this
gets going, So it's sort of a purpose.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
It made me very nostalgic for that kind of pre
nine to eleven America, where like the Army was, you're
automatically a good guy if you're an Army ranger, where
I might've gotten way more kind of jew I.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Think it's it's become a more nuanced thing than it
was back then. Yeah, because this is still definitely yeah,
Michael Bay's Khimer's world of the military. Although again, as
we'll see carried on throughout this, it does not mean
that all figures in authority are by any means above
reproach or not necessarily they can be bad guys too,

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because that's always a weird subversive undertone to these nineties
movies that, like the good guys are still usually somehow
allied to the law, but they almost always have to
contravene the law in order to save the day. And
also there will always be a few, if not many,
people who are already in the authority that the law

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gives them, and you're definitely like not rooting for that person.
So it's a it is a bizarre it is a
bizarre way. It's a weird dichotomy that I'm having revisited
now all of these nineties action movies, mostly with Nicholas Cage,
which maybe it's his influence, but it's it is very

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much a recurrent theme, which also brings us to no.
First of all, before we go any further, this is
one of those movies that has to pay the question
where the fuck is Nicholas Cage from? Like in reality,
what is his actual like American regional background, and like

(17:21):
I literally do not know? He often gets cast in.
This is probably the more one of the more extreme
examples of like please lean into the southern aspect of it,
but it's frequent enough that I have to assume it
is something in his background. Does anybody know?

Speaker 5 (17:39):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
I have no idea at all.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
It sounds like his approximation of like a Louisiana accent.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
Yes, I often think he's he's from California.

Speaker 7 (17:51):
Isn't he a Cola? I just assume yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
I mean, I know he's that, but I'm like specifically
his branch of family I've always I've never known, like.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
I have a solution, I'll look it up.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
Well, France for a couple.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I was born in Detroit, right, yeah, Detroit.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Well there you go. I'm sure.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
I'm gonna say I figured that like if I ever
went to prison, like that's how I use my time
to like better myself. Like that'd be the time where
you're like, I got nothing else to do. This is
when I'm going to learn Spanish. This is when I'm
going to learn to cross ditch, Like, this is what
I'm going to do all these hobbies and never make.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
Time for sharp things and sharp things.

Speaker 7 (18:30):
Okay, so we will we cross stitching?

Speaker 8 (18:32):
What will I do?

Speaker 7 (18:32):
I'll write, write my novel, do you know what I mean? Like,
I always feel like I would relate to that experience
if I had one.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I think you would probably end up being a female pimp.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Yeah, and a lot.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
I'll admit that.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Why are all these fucking crazy people on the same
fucking plane.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
It doesn't seem like a great idea.

Speaker 7 (18:54):
Yeah, I don't believe money curios.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I don't believe for one that this kind of transfer, ever,
it would happen in reality regardless, So I'm already taking
that pill of unreality to allow this film to happen.
I also don't not sure that America has this many,
although if any country does, probably it's us have this

(19:19):
many like notorious like notorious trading card psychos that we
just are in the system at once and we're like, well,
we can put them all on one plane conveniently. I mean,
we can we can make.

Speaker 8 (19:34):
The arm learning about their backgrounds. I was like, wait
a minute, what did you do?

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Like yeah, again, it was kind of fun.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, I mean, and we can think probably this montage
not quite a montage, but this scene that effectively works
as an introductory montage for much much cheaper imitations for
the next twenty five to thirty years of cinema. They're like, hey,
do we want to introduce characters naturally or organically or
could we be watching a video presentation where we're just like,

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it's this guy, that's his name, this is what he did. Boom,
We're done, i e. Suicide Suicide Squad took this to
the fullest extent possible of like, we don't want to
take time with these characters. Dossier, dossier, dossier, Go, that's it.

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Let's see, let's go through Bad Lawyer. Excellent, oh, excellent.
CGI comp on the view of like the prison when
they were doing it, like obviously they just pasted in
a storm going on above, Like the prison when he
went to prison, like very distinct worse than like Star

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Wars episode for like line around it as we superimposed
an image. Apparently prison is also on fire pretty commonly,
that seems to be a thing. Everything's just burning in
the hallway as Poe is just like chilling out and
be like I'm doing my time, man, like, don't don't
bother me with prison riots. I'm trying to stay clean.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Fun. Where was the open campus? Yeah, like you know
that's the best part about prison movies where they just
like open all the cells and everyone just gets the want.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, like free free hour. Yeah,
free hour doesn't happen this maybe this this movie has
one step up on Michael Bay and some things like
you don't get to do that in prison. They don't
just like up the doors and be like here's the yard,
here's the halls. He know what you want hang out, guys.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
The nineties are like the last grade era of like
the mighty whitey action figure or action hero or like
the white guy who who can accomplish everything who is
and there's still vestages like they'll still pop around. But
so many movies had that kind of character. Where as
we pointed out, like even when he's doing wrong, he's

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still kind of a good guy and It's interesting to
see how strong and overpowered this character is by virtue
of the fact that he's just.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
A white guy in that situation. No, I mean he's
he's definitely, he's definitely Patrick Swayze and Roadhouse it's the same. Yeah,
it's the same scenario. It's just repeated and you just
slightly tweaked the circumstances and.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
We don't get that awesome, sweet, sweet butt shot of
him like that lady against the wall.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
That's true, this.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
Movie would have benefited from a Nick Cage butt crag.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
I think, yeah, yeah, I mean we are rusting into
another human.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
This is this is the best. This is certainly the
best best form Nicholas Cage of any of the movies.
Like this is how we're seeing. We're seeing peak peak shape,
like Zen Kung Fu at full strength Nicholas Cage right now.
So if there was a time no no doings, Yeah no, nope.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Erica, You're at a bar, Nick Cage comes up to you,
ask your dance? Do you do it?

Speaker 6 (23:09):
If he looks like this guy.

Speaker 7 (23:11):
You know what I will say, Like I never thought
Nicholas Cage is actually looking, but I see it in this.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Movie, Like yeah, all right.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
So it's really.

Speaker 7 (23:19):
Funny because once he goes to prison, Once he goes
to prison, then he turns into Fabio and that's hilarious.
It's all like Fabio.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Uniform.

Speaker 8 (23:33):
It's because it's had long flowing hair.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
I love that they blamed Nick Cage for Vietnam as well,
and then throw something.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Like that in there too. They're like, because we need
to throw one little extra spike in so that like
it's screwed a little bit tighter for him, even though
he obviously has nothing to do with Vietnam and is
way too young for that. It's just the perfect like
we have to set up what fucking douchebags these people
are in such idiots, there's no way you cannot feel

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the slightest bit of remorse for them because they've basically
walked into a fire themselves. Also the fact that it
only kills one of them. The other ones just flee
and nothing happens. Like they're all locals at a small
bar in Mobile, Alabama. Everyone knows who the fuck they are.
How do none of them get how do none of
them get brought in or busted or anything like?

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Unclear?

Speaker 4 (24:30):
That's it. I also kind of forgot, honestly that John
Cusack was in this, and then as soon as he
showed up, like you probably justin, I was like, oh,
hell yeah, John Cusack is in this. And I remember,
I remember, I remember liking whatever his character was in this.
I don't remember what it was, but I remember being
very surprisingly engaged in what's essentially a bureaucrats role in

(24:51):
this entire movie.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, I remember him being in the film more than
he was and doing more than he did.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Really, I was the complete opposite. I've got the completely
I was like, holy shit, he's in way more of
this than I thought. I thought he was like in
and out of times. Definitely didn't remember him like drawing
down on driving.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
One of the he's one of the three people on
the poster.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah, I just I remember as a kid thinking I'm like, well,
that is like famous the poster.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
The poster of this movie is legendary.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
It is it is well worth. It is a worthy
nineties poster. Also, the classic three floating heads and the
names don't match up to any of the heads that
are involved, because I know, because we always have to
put the actual star center, but that would put his
name second. So the first name never matches on it,
and then they all end up in the wrong spot.
It's just like the classic nineties poster design love right now,

(25:53):
I'm looking it up, yeah, look at it.

Speaker 7 (25:55):
Like I remember, I knew who some of the people were,
but like, I don't watch a lot of the movies
that they're in.

Speaker 8 (26:00):
So John Hughes.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
And I was like, John Cusack shows up. I was like, Oh,
there's John Malkovich and I was like, wait, I don't
think that's right. And then and then John Malkovich shows up,
and I'm like, I think that's John Malkovich. And then
I was like, Okay, well who's the other one? And
I was like, I'm pretty sure his name is John too,
And I could not figure it out until the end
when I just had to look it up. I mean,
I but I said that the whole movie, like, God,
what's his name? I think it's John? Though, Like, I

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think there's a reason that got mixed up.

Speaker 8 (26:27):
Even if it was wrong.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
People though that aren't very good looking. I hate to
say it, but Danny Treo.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
I mean, I was kind of surprised to see looking back,
when this this intro to all these dudes happens on
the plane. I'm like, some of these guys didn't age great.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
Like Danny is Danny trejo Is, He's the raveste, which
that's a terrifying dude.

Speaker 8 (26:55):
Though, like I got.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
He's supposed to all of them. Yeah, but like but
I mean, I guess for me, no, I mean, I
think the guys would feel much the same about him.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
I wouldn't want to get rad Trayo.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Or but if he does have that phase.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
What I love about Danny Trayo is that he he
has never run from the fact that he looks like
a grizzled dude. He's really owned in ways that I
don't think I could have.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Like, can you think years old, that's what he looked like.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Like, can can you.

Speaker 8 (27:28):
Think of him as like a child?

Speaker 7 (27:30):
Like he's okay, because I don't know a lot of
his movies, But I'm thinking how much I hate he.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
Was never a child.

Speaker 7 (27:36):
Think about like at some point he was this cute
little thing that people adored and everything.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Never there was no there was no baby tray Ho.
There was only tray Ho. That was just from the beginning.

Speaker 6 (27:49):
He came out of the wo and just glowering at people.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
I was, I was, I was slightly surprised to see
this baby goes a wood chipper, Like is that what
you call it? He's not that big of a dude though,
which this movie doesn't try to play up like he's imposing,

(28:17):
but like you clearly see him next to other actors
are like, oh, I always think of him as being
like six foot three and like two hundred and thirty
pounds or something. He's definitely not Like maybe as he
gets older he bulks up a bit, but he's definitely
not that big compared to like Ving Raims a lot
of other the characters. But again, like I was shocked

(28:38):
how young John Malkovich looked in this, even with a
shaved head, and.

Speaker 8 (28:42):
Also yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
And also remembering, oh yeah, there was a time when
John Malkovich just had like kind of a normal voice.
Like there's all this there's all this stuff about how
like he was like semi mute as a kid and
like earned speech through theater in like weird ways, and

(29:05):
that's why, like the way his elocution is so specific
and odd. But then I watched these movies from earlier
in the nineties, I'm like, no, hold on, he's definitely
doing a pretty like normal for the weird character he's
playing delivery. He doesn't have any strange methods of delivery.
He doesn't doesn't. He talks like he's supposed to be

(29:26):
a slightly charismatic psychopath, which is exactly what he's supposed
to be.

Speaker 7 (29:30):
So yeah, that's actually yeah, you're right, he's like charming, right.
I'm like, oh, I like him.

Speaker 8 (29:35):
He's funny.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
I remember even as a kid watching this and being like, weird.
I don't hate him. I'm sure he's supposed to be
very evil, but I don't really hate him on a
personal level. He seems to be like, you know, a
principal mass murdering, and I was like, yeah, because they
have to give him. That's the thing you give. You

(29:56):
give one redeeming quality to your super villain and suddenly
it makes them a way more like, Oh, I'm interested
to know what you say or what your plan might be,
because there's one thing we have in common now, and
it's something that I think.

Speaker 7 (30:11):
Comes along and you're like, I kind of want to
hang out with you.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
We'll get to it, Yeah, we will.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I love that. I love the Dave Chappelle cameo, and
I agree with Josh He really shocked me that he
actually played a character that just wasn't himself, and it
was really refreshing to see.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
I miss I might miss something, but I don't believe
Dave Chappelle's character was even like in handcuffs, and I'm
not sure why.

Speaker 8 (30:42):
Oh no, I don't think he had he was very evil.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
All. No, it was he had the I think like
he had like the extent, like the full chain, like
it was still like shackles. But I think he could
still like move his hands around because he could still
like do the like pulling up something.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Okay, I think he wasn't at all restrained.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Well, I mean I wouldn't put it beyond like, let's
just just let's just address the fact that all of
this was very ideally set up for a massive conspiracy
to take place on the plane the second it took off,
because none of this works if every single one of
those parts doesn't immediately fall into place. Also including the
fact that everybody who's a hardened convicts can pick locks,

(31:30):
which is not terribly hard, but it doesn't mean you
all you need is a pin, ever, and then everybody's
able to just slide a pin into the callous of
their hand and keep it there indefinitely until they need
to pick a lock.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
And presumably at some point they went through a metal
detector like they.

Speaker 9 (31:49):
W I mean, given there's given where they are and
what the scenario is, I could kind of excuse, like
do they feel like they need to put them through
a metal detector because we literally transferred them from cell
block right to the airstrip and then onto the plane.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Like do we set up at a metal detector. It's
still one of those like mild excuses I will give
for a nineties movie of like, oh this needs to happen.
Also the movie also this. Metal detectors are not necessarily
that sensitive. If all you had was a single pin

(32:28):
on you and it's right next to the metal cuffs
as you're doing something, yeah it would not. I don't
think it would set that off because I've gone through
metal detectors in stadiums and airports things that are very
obviously metal, and if nothing goes off, that means it's
not sensitive enough to detect that thing. So there is
a threshold at which they don't detect. It may not set.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Off with a little bit of metal in your belt
for example.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Right, or like you're a certain amount of jewelry. It
doesn't go off for or a certain amount of even
metaling your skeleton from like surgeries. It doesn't necessarily pick
that much up.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
So or a light up butt plug.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Yeah, yeah, you can probably get through with that, you know.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Oh man, there I was in Denver last week. There
were definitely some girls that probably had one of those in.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
I don't even know what that means.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
A butt plug that has a light on it so
when you're walking you can see the light emanating out
of it.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, I don't know yourself. Yeah, you don't get hit
in my cars? Well, okay, that's good. That's actually.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Everything has to go exactly right for this plan to work.

Speaker 6 (33:48):
Yeah, it probably does.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
And also for the rest of the movie to work.
I forgot to mention in the stops. This also requires
that agent douchebag what was his name, malloy or who whatever?
The guy that was no, the guy, the mean cop.

Speaker 7 (34:08):
The bad fancy car they the fancy car.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Right, he was Duncan Maloe, molloy, it's MOLOI there we go,
like whatever. I always put him as dea agent throughout
the whole thing. Also, the entire thing relies on him
slipping a pistol back into the ankle of his onboard
agent at the last second, and the whole thing also

(34:31):
practically doesn't work, so, you know whatever. Final note on
this on this is simply that Nicholas Cage's facial hair
changes numerous times between scenes and cuts, and nobody seems
to notice. That's about it. It's evolving, it does from
scene to scene. Sometimes it's double, other times it's very

(34:52):
clearly almost a beard, just depending on which shot.

Speaker 7 (34:55):
I understand it happens to me throughout the day.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Chaos ensues after takeoff as a hijacking conspiracy between Cyrus,
Diamond Dog, and Pinball. Joe rapidly comes to fruition. The
guards are staggeringly unobservant in the face of such insanely
coordinated and nice supernatural preparations. Ground control remains in the
dark while we learn that the breakout is being financed

(35:18):
by one Francisco Sandino, an unknown the dea Mole Simms,
proving his bona fides, instantly causes a standoff with Cyrus
and is summarily killed. Joe announces the flight itinerary, which
calls for several prisoners to be offloaded in Carson City, Nevada,
but all of them were conveniently killed by stray gunshots

(35:38):
in the initial scuffle. Despite the offer to stand in
for one of these and be free, Poe opts to
stay and help his former bunkie baby O, a diabetic
in need of his insulin, and the one token female guard.
Through the rest of this ordeal, several new psychos, including
a serial killer named Garland Green by the inimitable Steve Buscemi,

(35:59):
do come on board whilst Joe stashes the plane's transponder
beacon on a second decoy aircraft. A routine post departure
inspection of Cyrus's cell reveals a disturbing cash of contraband
literature and clues. Agent Larkin must use his extensive sherlocking
skills to inspire most of a young Dan Brown's insipid

(36:20):
future corpus of work, analyzing evidence to determine that a
large plan is a flight. A pissing contest ensues between
the DEA and the US Marshals, and it seems that
shooting down con air all hands on deck is the
preferred solution. Larkin meanwhile pursues his own hunches while the
Dea takes off after the dummy transponder with their choppers.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Major Garland Briggs from Twin Peaks makes the cameo in
this film. Is that what they are? At the part
where the car gets destroyed by Dave Chappelle.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
Oh no, no, no, we're not yet.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I'll say that for later.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Chappelle such a great bit part.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
Nick age is.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Really funny in this, and I do appreciate his one liners,
which I think are really app Whoever wrote this did
a good job making his character really really funny.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
At times, I think, so, yeah, I don't. It's more
than midway through before I really started to get it.
But yeah, he's pretty consistent throughout the whole thing. His
there's a couple quips that are a little bit like
borderline Schwarzenegger, Connery, Bond, but like they're usually on the
point and they're consistent with the character we've seen the

(37:35):
whole time anyways, So yeah.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
You know what I was thinking, you know, like he
just this character is like this too. It probably should
have been a better thing to say the beginning, but
like he's like two perfect debic character. He's like this
sad hero you know, he's a strange from his wife
from seven years and he like all he thinks about
is his daughter and his wife and being better for them,
and like he's and like I he's known for his

(38:00):
crazy freak guys, and there weren't.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Any Well, I was about to build on that point, Erica.
I was thinking a lot about that, as it's being
a very restrained Nick Cage performance in the context of
a film where almost every other character is.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
Very, very big in terms of their acting, like God Malcolvich.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, they become cartoonish.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Everybody else go crazy Nick No.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
I think this is what makes it such a good movie.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Is I think that's a really cool counterpoint.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Nommy is fairly restrained to.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, I agree, Oh, I totally agree. You know that
when he gets to his wife, he's going to like
premature ejaculate, like almost instantly.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
You know that's what happen.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
It's not gonna last long the person.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
He's not lasting, he's not making any friends that night.
He's like, I waited seven years for this.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Disappointment.

Speaker 7 (39:02):
Well, that took a turn. Do you think that Francis
Ford Coppola thinks Nicholas Cage is a good actor?

Speaker 5 (39:09):
Probably they ever worked together.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, multile times.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
We just talked about this Eighties movies.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
Like what I mean there is like a smaller budget'st
well known films.

Speaker 7 (39:25):
I only know The Godfather for Francis and chose Cage
was not in it.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
Yeah he was married.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Ashimi showed up yet.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
No, well, yeah, we're we're getting to that. We're almost
to that point. We're about we're not quite to the landing.
Because that's the thing. This movie, even though it doesn't
actually run for that long, has very distinctly long sections. Again,
things I did not remember, even though I watched this
like six months ago and was like, no, this was

(39:54):
cooler than I remember it, being like there's still parts
on this tree watch and went man, this part is
like another ten minutes. Okay, okay, like got it. It's
fast paced, but not every section is in itself a
quick move. I'd say in that respect, it is not
like Michael Bay because Michael bays until he gets into

(40:14):
the latter stage of like, hey, we need to have
exposition for fifteen minutes in this part of the movie,
like old Michael Bay be like no, this this part's done.
We gotta move on, Like wean I haven't blown one
fucking thing up in the last ten minutes, So let's
let's keep this. Let's keep this rolling. So Poe's attempts
to alert authorities to the hijacking on the ground is

(40:35):
somewhat successful, as a group of prison transport guards relatedly
discover Dee Agent Sim's wire on one of the prisoners
that was being transferred, who is of course actually a
guard disguised Thereas on board, Poe helps Diamond Dog discover Pinball.
Joe got caught in the landing gear as they took
off and must be shed a somewhat fitting into a

(40:59):
bit player, but a quick note to Larkin is scrawled
on his shirt before the body is ejected. However, the
murderous Billy Bedlam, not before introduced in my beginning, Sorry,
deduces that posed true allegiances to the law, and he
soon confronts him about this, and that is a bunny

(41:22):
that cannot be put back in the box. In a
hilarious low crouching fight scene.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
Billy, it wasn't very choreographed, not very.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
It felt like a real fight. Based on the body's note,
Larkin heads for a remote learner airstrip per pose instructions
there all hell breaks ship out.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Pulling out of the plane was like the funniest scene
of this movie.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, we can take a
pause for that because this is yeah, after the music
and like.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
The tranquil like couple in their car.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
So dangerous, you know what I mean, Like how many people,
Like did anybody die? A lot of people should have
almost it was very reckless.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
What would go through your head if you saw that?

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Oh, totally freaking out. But it's like also so convenient
that given that the majority of the United States is
just land, it happens to land right when where people
can see it right immediately, and not in the middle
of a sudden like cornfield.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Yeah yeah, and in the middle of the city in traffic.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
You know what.

Speaker 7 (42:44):
That's so funny because my thought was that it was
very irresponsible to like drop in the middle of a city,
but like you're right, like it may be there because yeah, yeah,
But like here's the funny thing with this whole movie, right,
the whole point. I mean, I suppose maybe I don't know,
he's trying to save like two people, right, that's why

(43:07):
he stays on and instead he you know what if
he killed like ten just from dropping that body, do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 9 (43:14):
Like right.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Word convicts right, Yeah, I mean, yeah, you could easily
have caused a five car pile up, and that's the
end of that's the end of saving lives. Well that never,
that never, That never happens in these kind of movies. Thankfully.
We can also take America.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
There's no such sorry, in America, there's no such thing
as collateral damage. If we need to shoot up a
school and some kids die, that's just the cost of
doing business here. And I think that's Yeah, it's been
pretty consistent.

Speaker 7 (43:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Also, I'm I'm fairly sure at that altitude and speed
his body would have been liquefied upon impact any way.
Is so.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
The text was very readable in the.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Even if the shirt survived, which hypothetically maybe, I still
feel like his body would have just exploded on impact.
So maybe better and worse for the people at landed.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
On it would have been would have been a little gooey.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Yeah, but I'm really glad that Yeah, like a human
water balloon full of gushers, I'm glad they took the
time out in the middle of this movie for that.
Extended sequence too, rather than just leaving it up to
our imagination.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
We needed that.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
We needed some lemony. So once they land, all hell
breaks loose at Learner drug merchant Sandino's plan to leave
everyone in the lurch revealed he has a small private
jet and crew stashed in a small hangar. Dea Forces

(45:05):
collide with Cyrus's makeshift convict forces as Poe rushes around
the airfield trying to find a needle for Baby O's
insulin and making contact with a shockingly proficient agent Larkin
at the same time. This admittedly is when I lose
track of a few things going on in the movie.
There's there is This is the act of the movie

(45:27):
that I mostly forget every time. And then like they
spend half an hour on the ground and just so
many things go down. It's just it's a lot of threads. Yeah, yeah,
like Larkin, like racing.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
It was not clear what the necessity of betraying them was.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
I don't believe there was any necessity. It was simply something.
This is the problem with like getting the set up
to a movie and then following it through. Usually when
you backtrack, doesn't really make much sense. If you think
about what came be. Yeah, the movie started like, so
this dealer was in a prison, but a separate prison.
Somehow orchestrated a conspiracy between at least one other prison

(46:07):
to engineer his own escape to the specific airfield just
to get on a jet. Like that was the whole thing.
That was the entire quote unquote plan. Definitely, betraying anybody
was not necessary unless I believe the idea was that
he guaranteed all of the conspirators a spot getting away
to Mexico at the same time. But like, why not

(46:29):
just bring them? Why screw them over in the first place?
Like they didn't.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
I didn't really understand that.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
It wasn't like less convenient to bring them along and
honor the thing rather than just be like, m I'm
gonna sneak away and try to get on this plane
on my own, and then you've.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I love I love the choices that this film makes,
and I love how it's it's it to me. It
feels so quintessentially nineties. He set up this awesome serial
killer with kind of like a heart of gold or
like the ability to see behind all the bullshit. We
introduced this scene where he's with this little girl and
we're all like okay, but they don't. But then they

(47:09):
show the girl safe a few minutes later. Because we
want a serial killer, but we don't want a serial
killer to be too.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Gross, right, or we didn't want an actual we would
want this to be Hannibal Lecter. We want or even
Hannibal Elector would have wed No. I know because I remember,
because I remember seeing this probably for the first time
in theaters and always at this at this juncture, being
like very uncomfortable about what was happening, even at like

(47:39):
I was probably thirteen or fourteen maybe when this came out,
and being like, what's gonna happen here? I don't want
to I don't want something really I don't want something
absolutely dark. I want this to be Okay.

Speaker 7 (47:54):
I feel like, no, this listening knows what we're talking
about right now. Oh we really haven't talked about stebushit.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
I feel like anyone watching this better be watching the
movie with us, that being the serial on board has
now escaped, like, well, not escaped. Every prisoner has come up.

Speaker 7 (48:11):
Hold up, hold up, let's take a step back. Okay,
So when we meet, when we get on the first plane, right,
they make a big deal to introduce all these horrible,
monstrous characters. Two of them get put in cages on
the plane like whatever, and then all of a sudden,
you know, the they they make the prisoner switch and

(48:32):
the next group of prisoner comes on and Steve by
all of a sudden becomes the King of the Villains.
And he's this scrawny guy, but somehow he has like
a half a dozen guards. He's in a straight jacket
or whatever. He's got his face covered like Hannibal Lecter,
and it's like, whoa, what did this guy do? And
like the thing that he did is he is a
serial killer.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
And that part the other parts I said that part, I'm.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
Trying to to make it like this is why, like
this is a cool thing. But then when he gets
in the plane, right, they let him free just for
shits and giggles, which is awesome, right when you talk
about fun cho like Cyrus and the virus, is like, why
the hell not should we let him go? Let's see
what up, let's.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
Make it interested.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
And then she was the joker took over an airplane
as just seeing what happens.

Speaker 7 (49:25):
Yeah, and then he is this, you know, unlike all
these big, you know, kind of like brawny, like osterone,
you know, crazy guys. He's this little scrawny guy. He
decides to quit this to sit quietly by himself in
the nice boy cart next to Fabio Nicholas Cage and

(49:46):
then baby O, who has an insulin problem, and they're
just like, oh my god. And then he makes super
quiet but very like observant, very intellectual, like smart observations
about all the villains and what their motive are. And
you're like, you're a fun person to talk with. I'd
be interested in hearing more about psychoanalyzing other people. And

(50:06):
then he has the gem of a comment that says
the difference between he said, some people kill out of
necessity and others kill for fun, and there's like a difference.
And for me, I drove across two state lines wearing
like a kid's head as a hat. I think you're like, oh, dear,

(50:29):
so let's put some setup into the big scene that
we're talking about.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
But you made some other good points.

Speaker 7 (50:39):
Had a friend well, so so then when we've landed
again to change plans again. So then what we've landed
and we're changing plans again and all this weird stuff's happening.
Steve Boucemi sees a little girl having a tea party
by yourself and like a bunch of junkyard area.

Speaker 8 (50:59):
Now does anybody.

Speaker 7 (51:00):
Stop and ask why this? Like seven year old girls
hanging out by herself in the middle of some abandoned
looking airports her parents.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
There's a trailer park. There's a there's a trailer park.
You can see it in the background. It's really says
it says. It says Learner trailer park or something, and
there's like six trailers and then she's just like sitting
on the edge of it having her tea party. It
is very well established. But there's a reason she is there.

Speaker 7 (51:30):
Okay, I miss that.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
It does seem like the people in the trailer park
would probably be like, hey, what the fuck is going
on at that airport? I've seen more explosions than normal. Also,
is that constant gunfire? I keep hearing that seems weird.

Speaker 7 (51:50):
Her in take a look checking my daughter. But yeah,
so that's the thing, is like all this stuff's going on,
and he finds as a random child in a side
to have a tea party with her, and she is
so sweet to him. Let me pour you another cup.
Look at this Let's sing a song, and the songs
she sings is like a Christian song like.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
He's got the whole.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Want to get by Jesus.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Yeah, yeah, awesome the scene. The scene gave me memories
of Frankenstein.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Yeah, well, what what is wrong with this.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Girl being this trusting of strangers?

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I thought, young Erica, this is something I would see
young Erica doing in her backyard.

Speaker 7 (52:40):
No, you know what, like young Erica was raised by
very paranoid mother and grandmother who, like my mom, used
to read us about all the kids who would run
away from their parents in the department store and then
get their heads chopped off like in a ducad. I
mean I was raised her fear. I got it happened

(53:00):
all the time, you know when.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
I was they did less to think that kind of thing.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
No, I would not, And like I remember watching videos
that there's like a Winnie the Pooh video about stranger danger,
so like that I would.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Not have been that.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
That was hard for.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
This is legit stranger danger, Like you need to be.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
Very much, I thought.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
I thought.

Speaker 7 (53:24):
When I was watching that scene, I was like, this
is what the Galapapos Islands were like. You know, like
they have no naturally have no predators, so they're just like, oh, hello, human,
come and pet me, like whatever.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Right, I think some of.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
The islands, Yeah, I thought you met the island where
we killed the Dodo bird didn't live on that island.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
No island were.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
Like there were no humans on it, and they had
no reason to fear humans, so like people could go
and just touch them and like go right up to them, right.
That that's what like, that's what it was like. I
don't know if.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
I was.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
The Doto is from Mauritius, which is a totally different
scenario but similar, and there were no there were no
humans from there, so they had no fear of them.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
Yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 7 (54:15):
Right, that's that's what I thought. And but yeah, it
makes you very uncomfortable because they definitely set it up
to make Steve kind of likable and fun and interesting,
but the creepy.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Right, And that's like, yeah, I mean it was a relief,
It wasn't, but it's still it's very much.

Speaker 7 (54:35):
We haven't gotten there yet. For all we know is
Steve is being all creep o with this little girl,
and everyone else is doing their own thing. There's a
million different plot lines and you're like, Okay, what am
I paying attention to right now?

Speaker 1 (54:49):
I thought was interesting is seeing the evolution of gay
and lgbt Q representation in film.

Speaker 7 (54:56):
Oh I thought about that too.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Yeah, it's just like wow that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
The character who goes and gets dressed in a woman's
trans character.

Speaker 7 (55:05):
The character before trans.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
Was hats off to the convicts. They accept that, no
problem with this person.

Speaker 7 (55:18):
It was why are you there?

Speaker 8 (55:19):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (55:20):
You're such a minor character. It's just like a very flamboyant,
small like male like convict who comes on. First thing
he does when he lands is goes into his stuff
to put a dress on, and then.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
To a stranger's stuff. But yeah, same, yeah.

Speaker 7 (55:37):
And then everyone's just like, hey, do you want to participate?
Here's a gun whatever.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
You know.

Speaker 7 (55:42):
It's just like a weird thing.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
They I mean they do. There is a surprisingly egalitarian
trust going on amongst anyone that's part of this endeavor
that they're all engaged upon of like, look, you don't know,
you don't know what all these people are up to.
Like you're just automatically like, hey, you're imprisoned, you must
to be part of our conspiracy thing we're doing now,
and no one is like given much in the way

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of restraint, and they all just kind of like Cyrus
just brings them all in no matter, Oh we just
picked you up. Guess what, you're part of the thing,
now get in and starts taking them on the ride.
Or the fact that I want what say it.

Speaker 6 (56:21):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
I wonder if it's that thing where like, if you
commit a murder and even if you're in the car,
you're still cappable for the murder. You might not like
you're still part of the prevailing act at that point. Why,
like you're in for opinion for a pound, right, Well,
keep going.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
You're guilty by association. You just might as well be
part of the entire conspiracy that's going on. But we
all know from legal cases that's probably not the best
course of action. Or the fact that the strange interchange
between Poe and Diamond of I guess he's trying to

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sow seeds of dissent by being like, hey, you're like
black nationalists, you're taking orders from this white psycho path.
What's the deal with that? Isn't that kind of weird?
And he's like, I'm just playing the car. I'm just
playing cards until the time comes like and then I'm
then I'm gonna be in charge. And all this is like, hey,
get do any of you know each other? You all
just confess these things to each other, Like how do

(57:21):
you like lad around and tell Cyrus the same thing
you just told him? Like E.

Speaker 7 (57:29):
But here's here's the thing though, too. It's like my
understanding is this is like a big Shawshank redemption kind
of mission. Like the endgame is not to go and
like is not to go and like hang out together
in the end necessarily or like go make some new civilization.
You're just gonna go to a beach somewhere where no
one's gonna find you and be free. What is the
beef here that we have? Everyone has the same goal

(57:50):
to get out of the US and like do your
own thing, So what is any you know?

Speaker 4 (57:55):
I mean, I get it from their individual perspective of
like that's their goal. But also I wouldn't confess this
to a dude i'd met three hours earlier and be like, yeah,
I don't give a shit about what that guy that
thinks he's in charge of saying. I'd be like, no,
everything's fine. Because I don't know you, so I'm not
going to play into whatever you're trying to talk about,

(58:15):
because that's literally a way you get shanked or a
way that you get like discarded as part of not
essential to the plant.

Speaker 7 (58:22):
What's funny is that what we didn't talk about with
the Dave Chappelle character is that like that shootout scene
where both he and that other woman become like hostages, Yeah, hostages,
you know, with like their guns to their head, and
he seems and what does he say, Like I don't
want to repeat it, but like.

Speaker 10 (58:42):
Yeah, he he says, if you're going to pick another
if you're going to pick a human shield, do not
pick a two bit negro crackhead for me. Yeah, which
doesn't actually end up mattering, but in that moment, you're like, hmm,
that's probably that should probably be the relationship that a
lot of these characters have to each other of like

(59:02):
I don't care.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
And then right afterwards he's like, you didn't mean that, right,
He's like, he's like, give me your gun. He's like, yeah,
I meant it, and then he just completely forgets him
in the end and lets him get caught in the
back of a plane.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Like right, I mean, no one and no character white
or black particularly seems to care that that happened, which
is kind of illustrating that this prison mentality isn't necessarily
race based. It's just survivalism at the barest essence. So like, yeah,
you made it or you didn't.

Speaker 7 (59:30):
Well, and then we haven't even talked about all these characters,
so like let's talk about Johnny twenty.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Three or whatever.

Speaker 7 (59:40):
Yeah, but like but he's relevant in terms of like
his name is Johnny twenty three because he's he is
in prison for raping twenty three women though apparently it
could have been as high as six hundred, and he's
very proud of it, and he's got like flowers or
hearts for every single one. But John Malkovich Cyrus Virus
was like, yeah, I hate rapists, like the off the

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right from the very beginning, which is like I think
you're a scummy like douchebag. But then later on they
kind of forget the animosity. He's like, here's a gun,
go take that corner, like okay, boss whatever, Like it's
well wait.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Because it's yeah, and the necessity of the plot eventually
causes other things to go by the wayside, because they
do go out of their way on several occasions to
have Cyrus express his profound disgust at this idea, but
also his absolute pragmatism about what he needs from people,

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so that that kind of that can fit with a
sort of weird skewed vision of what psychopathy consists of,
Like he could still have his personal thoughts about something,
but he can completely divorce them from what he needs
out of them. I guess they with it, and they
just go with it, I mean, and then like Diamond

(01:00:57):
Diamond ving Raim's character, like yeah, he blew up a
NRA convention, that's not that unbelievable, and like you don't
see any other real terrible behavior from him as bad
as like being a terrorist in that capacity is like
everything else he says, Like you don't really seem like
you're a criminal, but not you don't have any particularly
disreputable qualities about you. That's just the one thing. This

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is remarkably nuanced, as what I will say, as far
as my memory of it, I'm like going back and
seeing how they decided to depict each of these criminals.
There are very few of them that are one hundred
percent painted as a like Black and White, I'm evil
one hundred percent. I'm not evil, I'm just misunderstood. They're

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all over the map, which is granted, still inflated for Hollywood,
but probably a lot closer to reality than many movies
would choose to depict in this case.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
So it's also I mean to build on that, and
before we move on, I guess like the way they
present the cops as being out of control psychopaths was
really interesting in a weird way, like introducing guns and
a no gun environment threatening to blowdown planes. It's like,
it's crazy to think about that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
There's fascist elements going on with the authorities as well
the whole time, I mean, and then like putting in
subtle racism throughout the way they talk about things and
that they do. They won't have them straight up be
as bad as they could, because probably even back then
could barely get away with a white person saying the
N word in a movie. But like acknowledging this was

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definitely going to be a factor in the relationships that
these power figures have to all these different characters. But
then also then they turn it around and have the
lead guy who gives the big monologue on the plane
and then does nothing really like he just gets not
quite killed. I think he might even live, but he
gets immediately shut down. But then when the first guy

(01:02:57):
speaks up to him, he's like, fuck this Nazi piece shit,
and they like cuff him and put tape on his
mouth and hit him in the head. So it's like
opportunity authoritarian fascists, so like, would any of you fuck
with us, no matter what your background or what you are.
So again, weird mixed messages about authority and criminality throughout

(01:03:21):
the whole thing. This is also the stage where I'm
just gonna say it because I honestly we can easily breathe.
The last fifteen to twenty minutes of this movie is
very much a kung fu movie, So it doesn't really
matter if you remember anything very specific about it or
talk about it, like the the insistency. I'm having a
bureaucratic angle to this movie, and a lot of these

(01:03:44):
nineties movies is slightly You could easily do away with
it and no one would care. Like if you didn't
show any of this, like background argument going on amongst
people from different agencies in this pissing contest, no one
would care, but they consistently put it in, and this
movie really leans into it to the point you're like, Okay,

(01:04:05):
John Qusek has to be the stand in nerd for
whoever wrote the script, right, Like, he's got to be
the I'm the very intellectual badass who works for the government,
but I know what's up at most times, and if
I don't, I'll figure it out in five seconds. So
he's definitely like the authorial stand in character who manages

(01:04:27):
to always argue to the correct point whether or not
anybody agrees with him, and then usually prove the point
even if it causes him, even if he has to
destroy a nineteen seventy two Corvette Stingray to make the point.
That's the hell of the car. His point was made

(01:04:48):
by the end anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Yeah, because you already saved the kit in by having
him going to jail for some bullshit charges like the
family drama and when to get back to his family
is more than enough to carry the plot, You're told me, right,
I wonder if we could cut this film and take
that stuff out, and would it be a better film.

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
We should do it, I don't know, I.

Speaker 7 (01:05:07):
Mean, wouldn't like that angle.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
I liked it. No, that's what I'm I liked it. Like,
but you could easily cut probably twenty minutes in this
movie and not really affect much of what the plot is,
and then it.

Speaker 7 (01:05:20):
Would be you know what they could cut out, which like, look,
I like this movie, and I was like surprised. I
thought I was gonna have to divide my attention with
like some kind of physical activity like game or something,
because I was like, I can't concentrate on some of these.
But I was really into it and until like, okay,
then all the troops and everything come and like they're

(01:05:43):
in Las Vegas, and like, okay, finally as fucker's getting resolved,
like everyone all the you know, all the comics have
been caught and everyone's on the ground, Nicholas Keyes's family
as we meet him, and then no, Cyrus the virus
somehow gets a bus or something and we have to do.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Soul car chasing.

Speaker 7 (01:05:59):
Yeah, and then I was like that's it. I've had enough.

Speaker 8 (01:06:04):
No no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
No more.

Speaker 7 (01:06:06):
I don't need to do that. This is unnecessary.

Speaker 8 (01:06:09):
I'm done.

Speaker 7 (01:06:10):
I've given you the last hour and forty five minutes
of my life. I liked it, even this is stupid.
Now we've jumped the shark.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
So this is the time we jumped the shark. I
don't know if you were not like I think it's it's.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Very much their explosion budget had a little bit more
money in it, and they're like, we need to we
need to blow a few more things up.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
We didn't quite get there. And that's the thing I think. One,
this is a standard kind of tacked on final villain
fight that happens a lot in movies like this, especially
in the nineties, of like didn't you already resolve most
of the conflict, Like why is there now another thing
going on? Yes? That this it stress happens in nineties

(01:06:57):
movies with action especially on the are Mychael Bay or
Michael Bay adjacent where you think it's done and then
you're like, okay, no one more. Whereas like horror movies.

Speaker 7 (01:07:07):
Right when the back that actually did come up.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Horror movies are very guilty.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
Yeah, I mean is where this is the whey Lord
of the Rings?

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Yeah, Lord the Ring?

Speaker 8 (01:07:17):
Yes, I just thought that myself.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
But had they cut the movie a little bit tighter
and some of these subplots either out or down earlier
in the movie and then that happened in Vegas. I
don't think it would have felt as tacked on. It's
just that so much has already occurred and you then
get to that point it feels like that's the logical conclusion.
And which is why, as we discussed before the cast,

(01:07:42):
when I first rewatched this like six months ago, I
did not remember that part at all. I was like,
there's a fire truck chase in this movie, Now, what
when did this happen? I was like remembering the plane
crashing end of story, like that was the whole movie,
but like it has this your Dennis Hopper add on

(01:08:03):
speed inspired finish to it that? Yeah? Would it would
have gelled more naturally if they had just cut earlier
parts of the movie down so it didn't feel like
you had already reached the emotional climax of it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
What would that be though? Because we are kind of
we're used to it now. That was such a cliche
of the nineties action film What that I'm trying to
remember my original act, my original kind, which I can't.
I don't think it bothered me the first time seeing it,
but did bother me now as.

Speaker 8 (01:08:32):
It did bother you too?

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Oh, yeah, it felt superfluous.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
Yeah, it seems like it. I think it should have
ended with a plane crash. But right and then fine,
you can like that this happened.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
It should have been a sex scene instead between Nick Cage.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
Well, because that would have only added that would have
only added fifteen seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
To that's true, That is true.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
I needed a good ten minutes here.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Oh yeah, give me a few minutes and I'll try again.

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
Hold on, it's like I got reserves.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Yeah, well, I mean since actually I could probably answer
the not the answer to it exactly. But what this
movie obviously draws from, aside from being a nineties action movie,
and definitely this almost this this movie actually almost made
me look at something and go, wait, is Michael Bay

(01:09:31):
Michael Bay? Or is Jerry Bruckheimer Michael Bay? And just
taught Michael Bay what to do? So in the future
we always thought about it as what Michael Bay does,
but in reality it was the producer being like, no, no, no, stop, camera,
go explode here down here. Camera was looking up and

(01:09:51):
there's an explosion here and being like and Michael Bay
just being a ready student to be like, yeah, okay,
let's do it. Because obviously almost Yeah, he just like
took it one. He took it all the way to
like eleven, whereas Brookheimer has a little bit of restraint
and like, so he wouldn't do that himself. But i

(01:10:12):
mean one character or Cusac points out to when they're
in the airfield too, Po's like, you're not a bad guy,
You're just you're just always in the wrong place in
a long time. And I'm like, oh, this is also
a die Hard movie. This is die Hard on an
airplane one thousand percent, and it's definitely going to follow

(01:10:35):
almost all of the die Hard tropes. And if you
go back and look at it, yep. Doesn't have on
a plane yep? Is their deception with the people who
are in charge in the authorities? Yep. Does he have
an ally on the outside who's one of the authorities
who everyone goes against? Of course he does. Does he
throw a body out with a message on it? Yep,
he does that too. Does he pretend to be Ally? Yes,

(01:10:57):
he does that like every single though not I could
probably make it's a birth It's a birthday movie because
it's his girl birthday. That's true, true. And then it
has one taped unseen at the end where you're like, no,
I think you're done with this, like this already, like

(01:11:18):
conflict was resolved all the way to the end, and
then the last ross is to jump back up even
though he's clearly in a body bag and start blasting everybody.
So you have to have one last scene where you're like, nope,
one more, one more bit of action. So at the
end of the day you have to think, I think
we can actually say that all of these movies are
die hard movies that just kept changing and mutating all

(01:11:40):
the time, and occasionally it.

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
Did and you to crack. Yeah, the cracked video, But
I will.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
Don't give it to him, No, not anymore. Half of
Jordan's last video was like thing subtle hints at how
crap screwed him over and how he couldn't talk about
certain things on his channel while he was doing his
transformer to talk through. So I believe they are not
a company worth trying to deal with. But you can

(01:12:14):
make a knockoff video of them and they can't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:19):
I loved I loved the shot in the casino where
we pan up and see that Steve Is has completed
his Redemption character arc. He resisted the urge to kill
this little girl, and it's going to change the trajectory

(01:12:39):
of his life.

Speaker 7 (01:12:41):
I mean, I think the Holy Spirit was working through
her with the song.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
He was the one note. The one note that I
wrote was I want to Steve spinoff and finish movie.

Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
I want to see what.

Speaker 8 (01:12:55):
How about a prequel?

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
I want to see that would be a horror movie
that Yeah, did I say something weird about me? Yeah?
It does. Yeah, so yeah, I mean we didn't cover narratively,
but I mean the whole end is kind of a
cluster fuck of explosions and airplanes.

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
Vegas is just then.

Speaker 7 (01:13:19):
He eventually reunites with his wife and meets his daughter,
who he scares the shit out of. But it's and
then it ends on a weird hug you're supposed to
be like, good for you, buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Yep, and again a very classic, a quick yep. It's
definitely that, a quick kung fu ending, like we don't
need to wrap any of this up. It's done. Look
he found his daughter. Look he made a new buddy
who's a cop. Cool, everything's good. That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
This movie was nominated for an Academy Award for Best
Sound editing. That's the original song how Do I Live?

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Jesus Christ? I almost brought that up when we started
this and said, wait, is this the rhyme? Is this
the of that song? It really is this?

Speaker 7 (01:14:07):
Ryme's versions did a cover.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
I think I thought it was a Trisha Yearwood song.
Originally I thought it was le.

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
Rhymes made it big, but I don't think this is
her version in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I am version.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
Oh you're right, Trisha Yearwood.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Yeah, that's what I thought. It's a Trisha Yearwood song.
Leon Rhyme's big again like years later, but yeah, this
was this was back when action movies launched power ballads somehow.
That was definitely it's so well. But you know, we

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got nominated, so technically they can be an Oscar nominated
on the DVD cover or the Way of con Air.

Speaker 5 (01:14:58):
It was also nominated for the Golden Raspberry Words for
the Worst Original Song, if that means anything.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
Oh that's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Yeah, let's do some stats so you.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
Know, I there's no way to count the destructions in
this one.

Speaker 6 (01:15:13):
I don't accurate.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
It's a continuous destruction.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
Really, I did count one Nicholas Cage freak out in
one hundred and fifteen minutes, which when uh, don't treat
women like that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
Rails Johnny twenty three.

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
Yeah, yeah, so surprisingly sparse for a Nick Cage film.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Did I feel like one where he would have been
justified in having another one? But he's such a call.
He has a very very character.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
He's a very like for most of this, okay, even
when killing people.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
And then is that okay? Yeah, that's true. A nineties
action movie, not a hint of anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Cool, priceially wholesome. Right, Let's let's rank this film on
the heavily mandate hair Today, Gone Tomorrow scale. This modern scale,
dating back to a few months ago, has been used
by the Warriors into come to terms with his male pattern,
baldness and inevitable, slow, painful death. On this scale, we

(01:16:27):
rank films along i continuum related to Nick Cage's own hair.
The best movies can be christened quote the Mullet, vintage
eighties and nineties Nick Cage Business in the Front, party
in the back. Meanwhile, the first films, the worst films
could be called the hair piece. Low budget, bankrupt, desperate,
a little sad and forced to wear cheap wigs, and

(01:16:48):
poor movies and Finally, average films can be called the
wind blown, hustled, wind swept the hair you only get
by stealing the Declaration of Independence and killing Sean Bean.
So cheat and ranked this film ridiculous, the most ridiculous,

(01:17:09):
the longest one too so long.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Erica First, that was Erica.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Give us your ranking, Erica.

Speaker 7 (01:17:19):
Like I said, I went in thinking this is going
to be very like something i'd have to watch in
chunks er that I would like be offended by. I
don't know, And I was like pretty into it, you know.
I was like I usually hate action movies, but maybe
because I liked like the psychology of all the murderers
and I was like interested in like how they were
gonna like react and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:17:42):
I wasn't born until the very very end. So yeah,
I'll give it a sixth.

Speaker 5 (01:17:50):
You've had, You've had your own character character redemption arc.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
Seas making. But I'll go next.

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
I'm gonna give this one of solid seven stones out
of ten. This is a This is a fun nineties
action movie, doesn't take itself too seriously, but knows what
it is and is almost never boring. You know, there
are some parts drag a little bit, but it's still fun.

(01:18:24):
There's some nuance here. I mean, they have a child
murder giving some fairly poignant insights on modern society.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
So take that. Take that how you will.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
We get to see Dave Chappelle's run out of a plane.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
There's something here for a lot of different people.

Speaker 5 (01:18:44):
Yeah, that's there is it's fun, it's got some rewatchability.
So I'm going to give it seven stones for my
poem this time. I have a poem called a con
air Ode by Bard Google's Ai chat butot oh no,
not again, yes, yes again. The hair was glorious, a

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golden mane flowing forth like a river of pain. The
man was Cage, and he was here to stay, to
save the day or blow it all away. The plane
was hijacked and the world was in fear, but Cage
was there and he would not be deterred. He fought

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the bad guy and he and he.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
Saved the day.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
And Dave Chappelle fell out of an airplane.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
Is a rhyme, but that's significantly better than the last
poem that was generated by that bought So it's already
I've not done yet.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
The highlight of the film, The highlight of the film
Dave Chappelle, it was a sight to see and Steve
Buscemi the real national treasure. So raise a glass to
con Air and all its glory, and let us never
forget the legend of Nick Cage. I found with barred

(01:20:15):
like it's it rhymes at the beginning, and then it
just gives up.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
So its off trying to write a poem, and then
it just becomes a eulogy. Like halfway through, it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Feels like it's the most human of ais.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
I would approach ther situation.

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
I'm tired of this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Write your own fucking poem. Something else.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
I can go next.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
I miss I miss when regular Americans coming home from
prison could be heroes. Meanwhile, all we get is this
marble ship. Of course says he is right, Marvel isn't Cinema.
Conair is eight out of ten.

Speaker 7 (01:21:01):
I don't even know what to make out of that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
Okay, Well, first I need to know if Martin Scorsese
said that. I don't feel like he did.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
But if you put it, if you put his picture
on the internet with that quote he said it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Especially especially if you put it in black and white.
If it's in black and white, that was obviously a
quote by him. Then it will say never skip leg
Day or something at the end. I don't remember who
chose this movie. I feel like it was Justin probably
probably I think. I think we vetted a great many

(01:21:41):
cage projects and I probably just spit ball to a
million out there and Justin picked the majority of them
after that point. But I'm glad this one made the cut.
I had mostly forgotten this one, even though it very
much is kind of iconic for its era. It's definitely
than the faces and names that are associated with that.

(01:22:02):
There's no way you could have grown up watching action
movies in the nineties and this wasn't there. So I'm
glad to revisit it regardless. And as I said, apparently
I did revisit it six to seven months ago at
a friend's house because we could not find face Off.
I believe face Off. So we were like, this is

(01:22:23):
just as good got there, probably gonna be fine too,
and put that on. I will say even more pleasantly
surprised this time. I wouldn't even bother to try to
think of any sort of a rap that would apply
to this. I will say, I think on the whole
this is perhaps a better action movie than Face Off

(01:22:44):
is just because it's a little more expedient, even though
it does get a little bit sloppier towards the end,
Face Off stays a little bit more on focus. But
they all suffer from the era that they came up in,
and I usually will not deny them that. Also, like
many of them, I discovered there is layering going on

(01:23:04):
that I did not remember from watching it as a kid.
Showing characters that I really thought of his cardboard cutouts
really makes me appreciate how cardboard cutout a lot of
characters became the last twenty years of movies appear to
the ninets, when they'd be like, we can at least
throw a few features in for them, probably or give
them an actor who will put a little bit of

(01:23:25):
work into it. So I can't remember what I gave
Face Off, but I would definitely say, as far as
the current scale goes, this is if Nicholas Cage's hair,
And I don't know one way or the other. In
this movie was an actual full head of real flying
in the wind of a blow dryer by a company

(01:23:48):
named con Air. It's Nate right Night one two three

(01:24:25):
minuted palms it's dank, straight up

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