May 13: NHL Playoffs and Draft Lottery

Betting the NHL Playoffs, Gabriel Landeskog to miss another season after surgery, Panthers eliminate Leafs, Golden Knights lead Oilers 3-2, Canes bounce Devils, Stars up 3-2 on Kraken, Knobs on sticks, NHL Draft Lottery

Episode Transcript

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Now it's our turn too. Sorryfor the words, but with our balls
on the table. Remember, Kats, this is not how you play hockey.
It's just hugging. I like it. God, yeah, you know
what. I love my streak togo back to Canada Gla Blair. Game

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one, Yeah, game one.Hello. Welcome into the Hockey Show right
here on my High Sports, Colorado'sbiggest and best live hockey radio show.
J J. Jurez your host.What a handsome guy he is. That's
me. Hey, Ryan Bolding,co host of NHL dot Com. What's
up? Ryan? Also handsome?I didn't know you could do that with

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your voice. What anything elder thanthe usual? I've got a lot of
tricks in my voice. I considermyself pretty good at impressions. I mean,
you've shot down my impressions a lotof times. Never Kale mccar.
You hated my Kale mccar impression.I would, and then I did a
second one. You're like, oh, that was better. That was right
here on air. Sometimes you gottaworkshop that stuff in private. You're right,

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Yeah, you're right. So funstuff in the hockey world this week.
It's cool kind of getting to comein every Saturday and analyze the week.
That was right, because we sathere last Saturday talked about, oh
my goodness, the Florida Panthers beatthe Boston Bruins. How crazy is that?
Little did we know a week laterwe'd have the exact same conversation about
the Florida Panthers. So fun stuffout of Florida, right, I mean,

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good to see an eight seed makessome noise. I think they're a
fool's eight seed, right they justyeah. I was just gonna say,
do you think they're really an eightseed? And I don't think so either,
right exactly. They're just a funteam to watch. But we'll get
into them in a second. Let'sget to some Matinee money, Ryan.
These NHL playoffs have been so unpredictable, which is what's made them fun.

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Right, It's been awesome. Butat the same time, I am now
in sports book jail from this pastye, like you, Jack Hughes didn't
hit his over three over two anda half shots in that game. In
that last game, he only gottwo, So therefore I'm in cuffs and
in the pin. Pretty bad onegoal I think in the whole series,

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like maybe fewer Chipotle salad Bowls andMark Boals, you know, just saying
so, yeah, I wanted toget to your Matinee money picks because I
have zero. The only thing I'mtaking is the Stars. I like the
Stars. I like him in thethree way, which is in regulation.
But again, a big reason I'min sports book Jo right now is because

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of the Stars and the cracking,you know, still fighting back. So
I don't even I don't even wantto confidently make that my Matinee money pick.
I had the feeling that would bethe case, and so I put
something in here so we could doMattenee money. But I also don't have
any money. Oh look at this, Look at this, Danny. I
also don't have any money on theon the games, on the sitch,

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on the happening, because I amstill I'm just taking round two off,
is what I'm doing. And whatI've decided is that you can't bet on
winners. This playoffs in particular isso weird. You just can't pick winners
of games like you have to dokind of individual things like you were doing.
So looking at that. Today we'vegot Dallas at Seattle, game six.

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I think every game in this serieshas been six goals or more,
and the over here is still fivepoint five at minus one two five,
I think that's a pretty good bet. Of course, now that I've said
that out loud, regardless of meputting money on it or not, it
will be like a two one game. Well, that's what's interesting about this
second round so far, right,Not only that series, I mean that

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series, especially the Dallas and Crackingseries, but all around the second round
has just been blowout after blowout afterblowout. I mean, we're now that
we're getting closer to elimination games,maybe the games are getting a little tight.
But how weird is that that thesecond round was almost kind of a
snooze fest compared to the first roundbecause of all these blowouts. Yeah,
it's surprising, And then it's notsurprising when we start talking about it,

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because we knew, at least inthe East, that the first round was
going to be just a war like. It was going to be ugly,
it was going to be nasty alot of games going to Game seven,
you know, it took a whileto get there. Not so much this
round. And I think we're seeingthe cream rise to the top. That's
where Florida is maybe that deceptive foeeighth seed, right, but Carolina just

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getting it done, you know,no hesitation from them whatsoever. I think
we're seeing something a bit similar fromVegas. You know, obviously this series
could end tomorrow, but it couldcontinue to go on. But you're starting
to see those teams rise up.And Florida, I mean, we can
get into it. That's that's whatI wanted to do. Let's get into
Florida. We could get into itright away. They play a pretty frustrating

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style of game, and it's it'snot boring, but it's frustrating for the
other team. Right. They reallyclogged the middle of the ice and don't
give up a lot and attack thehell out of the puck the other end
of the ice. Their game isone hundred percent based on effort, right,
and and the way they four check. I mean, mattka Chuck seemingly
on the ice every other shift,and his four checking is second to nobody

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in the league. I think heis hands down the best four checker because
he's ruthless, he's violent, andhe wins those battles every time. I
mean, he's just I think,in my opinion, Jared Bednar's dream player,
right, he's just like Arturrey lechininwith the skill of Nathan McKinnon.
You see him on the power playtrying to go in between the legs and
do that, you know, swift, little trick, tricky move to try

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to score goals. Um, Idon't even know what what do you call
it? What would you call it? I don't know what. You know,
he's he's over here, gets thepuck, pulls it through shoot through
his legs. I mean he scoredthat way already and in this playoffs.
Yeah, and he does it allthe time. He's so confident and so
skilled, but at the same timehas the effort of a third fourth liner.
As an aside, there have youever tried to do that? I

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literally cannot. I can't conceive ofhow to do it without tripping myself.
I can do it, there's stilllike you're still trying to like snap your
stick and then that just trips meright right, and like the motion of
trying to lift it and get somepower on it. I haven't figured that
one out yet. But you're right, he's always going one hundred percent.
And you know, I'd noticed himnot at all for the second half of

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that game last night, But thatdoesn't mean he wasn't having an impact.
What I was watching was Toronto,who was trailing from the first period,
try to battle back in the game. And I had felt and I tweeted
this out even that I Toronto justseems to show this lack of urgency and
they were pushing, they were goinghard. You know, you watched the
intermission reports on T and T andthey're like, this is some of the

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best we've seen Toronto play and allthat, and I'm like, sure,
but there's some casualness with the putgoing on too, and there's some bad
plays. I mean, two differenttimes Toronto just gave a freebie, open
guy chance in the slot away whiletrailing in the game, Like there wasn't
a whole lot of urgency and protectingthe puck and making sure we get into
the zone and go to work,and that tying it up was super impressive

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by Nilander. I didn't think itwas a good goal from Bobrovski, particularly,
he seemed to be playing the wraparound and got burned by it.
But I think that was part ofthe problem. And so not watching Florida,
just watching Toronto, You're like,there seems to be a lack of,
you know, real focused urgency.Here. On the other side,

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it felt like every time Toronto tooka shot, there was traffic in front,
guys were getting sticks on, itwas getting tipped. Every time they
took a shot. You're like,is this going to be a goal?
Like that's their offensive dynamic too,Is this going to be a goal?
Yeah, it's really about just beinga complete team, right, And I
don't even really think Florida is thatcomplete team. I look at the teams

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that are remaining, and I reallyonly see two complete teams, meaning they've
got the forward group, they've gotthe defensive unit, and their goaltending is
playing where they need to be,and that's Carolina on the east, and
then I see Dallas on the left. Those two teams, I think are
the are the two that I'm gonnago ahead and put a little change on
on being in the final, becauseagain, I think they're playing complete style

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of hockey and they just have therosters to do it. That's the difference
too, right. I think,yes, Florida has been fun, Florida
has been good, but I think, you know, depending on Radco Goudas
to generate for you. I mean, he was the reason they scored that
overtime goal. So I don't wantto I don't. I don't want to
throw stones at Radco Goudas, butum, the fact that he's even on

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the ice, I think this deepin the playoffs kind of shows you just
what their team and their philosophy isabout. And I think Paul Maurice deserves
a lot of credit for what he'sbeen able to do. You know,
Toronto was a three two seed intheir division, but I think they were
the three right in the East.I mean, Florida's knocked off number one

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Boston. They knocked off a verypotent but unable to really put it together
efficiently Toronto team. But now they'rerunning into the buzz legit number two in
the East right, And I feelkind of similarly looking at the West,
which we can get it too ina bit, but Vegas is looking like
the number one seed in the West, like they're just doing the thing.

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I still think Edmonton has life inthem, you know, but it's hard
to overcome a quick onslaught like whathappened last night and them to come out
on top. So this is reallyinteresting. But Carolina Florida to a degree,
Toronto. Teams that have really haveutilized more than one goaltender, Vegas,

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Edmonton. It's crazy when you lookat it, Carolina. Yeah,
Florida, I said those first.Oh, it's crazy when you look at
it that. It's like Seattle andDallas are the only two teams really just
we've got the one guy and we'regoing with him. You know, no
change is necessary. Those are thingsI'm watching when this series continues. What's

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the situation Florida, Freddy Anderson AntiRanta, what's the situation with Florida?
Like, does Alex Lyon get backinto a game or not? I mean,
Bobrowski has been unbelievable, but that'lldry up. Yeah, and you
like you said that. That goalfrom Lily Kneelander I think was terrible on
Bobrowski's part. Willing knee Lander walkingin as a right handed shot. The

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only spot he can shoot is gonnabe a near side, So protect the
near side. Don't drop down onyour knee and open that window. Right.
Yeah. I saw some analysis ofthis because and I'm I'm in an
agreement there, and I'm in agreementon Niel Lander took the same shot a
minute or two before that, maybea shift before that, and it went
off of Bobrovski out of the zoneall the way into Toronto's far corner of

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their own zone. And I waslike, when you're like six minutes left
in the game, you're pushing,you're down to goal, that's like the
worst case scenario, kind of unacceptableshot short of just missing the net and
having that happen that you could have. And so it seemed to be like
the consensus was that Barbarowski knew whothat had happened last time and was like,
there's no way he's gonna do ita second time. Hendrik Glenquist at

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intermissions that the second his glove camedown to push up against the post boom
goal, which is outstanding vision fromKneelander on that play. Yeah, but
it's a simple just drop the otherknee, keep your glove hand high and
you save that problem without any effort. How fun is it though, to
watch the Toronto fan base and GMthey kept cutting to Kyle Dubis just freak

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out during the entire game. Imean, they were so stressed. All
they could think of is like,could you imagine if Joe Sakic was up
there yelling at the overturned goal toget into He's screaming up there, I'm
like, I mean they cut toFlorida's booth, You got Roberto Luogo and
everybody in there. After Toronto tiedit ice cold. Not a reaction at

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all, indeed, indeed, butwhat a fun series that was. And
congrats to the Florida Panthers moving onto the third round when nobody thought they
could do it. I mean,just making it entertaining stuff. And that's
why we watched sports, right,and that's why we try to bet very
little money because the unpredictability can leaveyou, um, maybe facing pre foreclosure

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savage. Um yeah, So that'lldo it. We'll get back in here
after the break and talk some Avalanchein the Landiskog situation. Of course,
we're gonna be joined by two Avalancheinsiders again and we've got spicy, spicy
comments from Alex Petrangelo coming off thisone game suspension. So that'll do it.
We'll be right back on the Hockeyshow here on My High Sports.

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JJ Jarez, Ryan Bowling of NHLdot Com and Coach Bailey behind the glass
will be right back around, around, round around, keeping watching streets.

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Right now, it's sixteen minutes pastthe big hour. He's heading to write
mister Scream, great good stuff.I think people are getting really cranky.
I'm brains, shoot me, welcomeback. That's like perfect mixing. Can
that was expert level? I meansometimes I wish we had a camera on

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him because he's literally back there likea DJ performing a show. Right,
He's gotten the camera angle, changingthe music turned down, making sure that
the guest is on the phone,scratching disk. He's doing everything, even
sometimes sits there and nods his headlike whoop. Yeah. DJ turned my
headphones up for this one because Ilike this song. This was my request
coming in and then mister Scream almostblew out my ear drums. Yeah happens,

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Danny. If you could, ifyou had a DJ name, what
would it be, put him onthe spot. Dang's a that's a tough
question. I'm gonna have to giveus some thought. Yeah, think about
it. DJ coach Bailey, Allright, well, there's some avalanche news
to get to. And I feellike this always happens to us, right
ever since our days of podcasting together, maybe five six years ago, we'd

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be like, oh, man,what are we even supposed to talk about?
Boom the Avalanche come out and giveus something to talk about every time.
It's crazy. I thought I wasdone writing for the offseason until rookie
camp or whatever, and here wego. Can you can you write about
this Landiscock News? And I'm like, man, every time I send something
into the league. Now, I'mlike, never a dull moment in Colorado,

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Yep, yep. So let's getinto the Landiscock News. Very unfortunate
stuff for Colorado and four gay Blandiscott, right, I mean him having to
a he had to sit there andtell us that he wasn't gonna be in
the playoffs. You know that hurthim. And then a week after the
playoffs he has to come out andtell us he won't be a part of
next season whatsoever. So I guessyour initial reactions, your thoughts, and

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just what do you think this meansfor Landing. I was concerned at the
outset that this could be something thatcould be career ending, or that this
could be something that really lingers right, knees are no joke? Yeah?
Was it? Head? Fingers?Knees and toast shoulders, head shoulders.
That makes way more sense than fingers. I couldn't think of it. I'm

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old. Yeah, I think youknow. He has his initial press conference.
He's missing the playoffs. This isour first chance to get into it.
Finally we have some conclusion to thegable Landiskog saga. I asked the
second question, are you concerned thatthis could linger into next season or beyond?
And he said yes, which Iappreciated his candor there here, we

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are not very far removed a monthremoved from that, I mean basically not
even and he's already going to missthe hirety of next year. And that's
a huge loss for this team,but a benefit in that they know they
don't have him for the regular season. Now they can make plans. You
know. Chris McFarland maintain that Landiskog'ssituation didn't hurt him at the trade deadline.

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I'm inclined to believe, let's sayseventy to seventy five percent of that.
I do think it hurt not knowingwhether he could play, or not
not knowing what their financial situation wouldbe. I also, and probably pretty
willing to bet that nobody wanted toreally offer anything good to the Avalanche without
it really being expensive. But herewe are He's going to get cartilage transplant

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surgery and dead on Wednesday. Whatis your reaction when you see that news.
I mean, it's it's not goodstuff, right. I think,
first of all, kind of likeyou said, you're inclined to believe seventy
five percent of the trade deadline hooplahwe were given. I'm inclined to believe
very little. Because even in thatinitial press conference with Landy before the playoffs,
he was asked if he was goingto play next year, and he

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said yes, he was confident aboutthat, right. But then we go
back to this most recent press conference, he says, Oh, I've been
doing this research for months. We'vebeen looking into this for a long time.
So I'm like, all right,So, at what point did you
actually know you weren't gonna be playingnext year, because something tells me it
was way back in Christmas time.But yeah, kind of, I don't

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know. I think we've talked aboutthis. Jared Bedner did a good job
as setting expectations at the start ofthe year. There's a short offseason.
We've got guys who are banked up, we're gonna manage workloads. I don't
think they did that very well.But now we're at this point where they
are not managing expectations very well.Well, I'm just gonna miss the playoffs.
Now I'm gonna miss the next season. You know. It's like,

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yeah, what's going on here?And my first reaction too, is,
you know, I'm a curious guy, So I'm not just gonna look at
Twitter and be like, oh,I see everybody tweeting at the exact same
time that he's gonna get knee cartilagereplacement. What I started doing was looking
into knee cartilage replacement, what doesthat entail? What goes into that?
And I found a perfect YouTube videodone by a doctor. I hope you

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guys all saw it. I tweetedit out and in this YouTube video,
the doctor breaks down Lonzo Balls cartilagereplacement and at the end of it,
he says, I know, GabeLandiscott spewed out eighty five percent success.
This doctor said seventy four percent.And he said that measurement of success isn't
necessarily going back into a game jumpingrunning. That measurement of success is being

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able to walk again comfortably without pain. So while yes, Gabe land Scott
has very high hopes to return tohockey, I'm still not I guess.
I don't want to say on board. Of course, I'm on board with
land Scott coming back, but I'mnot on the same page as him.
I don't think it's gonna be nearlyas easy as everybody thinks. Oh,
you get the surgery, you getsome rehab, and then you're back on

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the ice ready to go. No, if this doctor says that the success
is measured on a person on athletescomfort when they're walking and to do it
pain free, that's how they saythis is okay. I don't know.
I mean, cartilage isn't a muscle, right, You can't rip cartilage,
put it back in and then strengthenit. Right. The cartilage is going

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to be the cartilage no matter what. So I don't I don't know how
you rehab a knee like this.You just hope that you can walk comfortably.
If you can walk comfortably, maybeyou can skate comfortably. But we
both know Ryan, walking and skatingare two different things. Yeah, I
busted my ankle over Christmas. Breakstill hurts. Walking is a pain in
the butt for me skating no problem, right, But maybe your knee is

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a completely different thing. You couldsay, hey, knee, I can
walk just fine, but when Iget on skates, when I go to
stop, or when I go topush off of one leg over the other,
I can't do it. So I'mjust I'm just hoping the guy can
walk again pain free. There's acouple of things that I don't think have
been asked that should have been oneI've mulled over multiple times, and that
is what is your quality of lifeat this moment away from the rink,

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you know, And I don't knowif that's something that is worth asking because
I don't know if that's something worthhim answering because it doesn't pertain to his
once athletic ability. And that's kindof the newsworthy side of all of this,
right, Like what he does inhis personal life isn't really any of
our business. See that. Butthere is a concern. I disagree on
some of that, but there isa concern there. You know that I've

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known this person for a long time, so there's an interpersonal you know,
wanting to make sure that they're okay, but also wanting to know how does
that affect your on ice production.Right, So is he able to walk
okay? Is he able to goupstairs? Is he able to pick up
his kids? Is he able todrive? For example? Right? Those
things I think are important to know, but not necessarily something that is worth

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divulging from his end. And thenthe other aspect is have any of these
previous surgeries been unsuccessful? Are thereany botched surgeries in here? Are there
any surgeries that resulted in a furthercomplication instead of a fix? And that
hasn't been asked, And I don'tknow if they would say, right,
because then you're entering legal liability situationswith doctors and malpractice and all that.

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Those are kind of the two thingsI have questions about. Or even a
step further, I think about whateverprocedure he had done before last year's playoffs,
and my thought isn't was that procedurebotched? My thought is did you
rush back? Were you did younot give it time to heal? Did
you not give it time to rehab? And you just said playoff time.

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I'm ready to go. I don'tcare what happens. And you know,
this is the cost of making thatsacrifice. And you talk about the procedure
itself. It's uncommon for elite athletes, and it's very uncommon at the NHL
level now. A former NHL player, Mark Methought tweeted immediately upon the news
that he had had that surgery andhe had been unable to return to play.
I know he's went on out dudesports radio. I didn't catch it,

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haven't heard it, but I thinkit hies back into what you were
talking about. The important part.Landiscog said over eighty five percent success rate
right your video, you guys saidseventy four. The Denver Post, I
recommend everybody to go and read BennettDurando's article about this. They talked to
three doctors, including one who trainedunder and studied under Brian Cole who did

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Landiscog surgery, Rachel Frank. Shesaid, the surgery is incredibly successful,
but you're measuring success based on yourability to walk pain free, go up
and downstairs pain free, to havea quality of life that doesn't involve playing
at the pinnacle of your sport.Right, That's not how they measure success.

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So there's there's just not enough datapoints about how successful this can be
for elite athletes because they are utilizingtheir bodies in ways that normal people are
not. And that's the thing thatI think everybody needs to consider. That's
the scariest part about this is he'sconfident and he has this eternal enthusiasm and

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optimism about him, but that doesn'tmean anything to body recovery. And what
we're looking at is a situation wherethey take cartilage either from a cadaver or
a different part of his body,grafted in and it has to grow and
bond with his knee, with hisbody. It has to be a match.

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Yeah, it's like having a livertransplant. You know, people can
have a rejected liver transplant. Sothere's essentially like a hole under his kneecap
and his knee where they need tograft new cartilage and it has to grow
into the right spot. And so, you know, I think there are
questions from people and conversations I've hadwith people who have had cartilage operations and

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knee surgeries where they're like, Ijust don't have cartilage in my knee anymore.
And you can see, you know, as those people age, how
painful it can be, how hardit is to walk, you know,
limps, those kinds of things,And the question is can't he just play
without cartilage in his knee? AndI think we saw that to a degree,
But now the question is how bloodypainful is that to do? And

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we watched him rehab and everybody throughoutthere looking good. He's close, opinions.
We never saw him start and stopon his right leg. I think
he looked awful. I didn't thinkhe looked very good. And he said,
it's really hard to rehab in frontin the public eye when everybody's grading
your recovery insufficiently or incorrectly. Butthe issue remains he never started and stopped

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on his right leg. Either hedidn't have confidence in it or it hurt
like hell. And you know,I think you can only play through an
injury so much. You know,it's one thing to play through twenty one
games, which is a long time, a couple months through an injury,
but you're doing it every other dayfor twenty minutes a night, and probably

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on copious amounts of drugs and painkillers. It's another thing to do it all
season long, for however many yearsare left in your career. It's a
mess. It's it's really a mess. I appreciate it, you know.
I asked him, Okay, yousaid you've been in contact with Lonzo Ball.
Can you tell us more about thenature of those conversations and if you
talk to anybody else like Mark Mathott, And he said mainly he iterated that

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Lonzo Ball had just had this donewhat two months ago? A little under
that, so he's slightly ahead ofLandiscog in the recovery process, which is
great because it's it's charting a course. Mark Methought said it was the worst
rehab from an injury he's basically had, and Landiscog just said, it was

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nice to talk to somebody who knowswhat I'm going through, who can relate
to the specific situation, the struggles, the setbacks, all of that,
you know. So I imagine,you know, when you're when you're dealing
with a disease and injury and illnesswhatever, it's nice to commiserate with somebody
who gets it exactly. And soit's good that he has that kind of
you know, network around him,that kind of support emotionally. But I

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do think it's a real concern hereand his absence really hurts this team.
It was evident all season one.I think one thing's for sure is we'll
never see the same version of gayBlandiscog that we're used to. You have
to think of his style of game, right, He loves to muck it
up. He's like Matt Kchuck thatwe talked about in the first segment here.

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He loves to go behind the net, he loves to go in the
corners, loves to battle in frontof the net. All that sounds very
hard if your knee isn't where youwant it to be. So when lots
of people were like, why can'twe just use him in the playoffs and
stick him in front of the netand let him just tip pucks, and
I'm like, first, you gottaget there, the second you gotta take
the punishment. And then yeah,Like, I mean, it works if

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you're Leon dry Cydle on the powerplay. It didn't work last year.
If you're a Leon dry Cydle anywhereelse on the io, yeah, yeah,
bad stuff. But all we cando is just hope for the best
and follow the story and follow hisrecovery and see if it gets to where
he needs to be. If not, it's very unfortunate, but that's the
nature of sports, right, Imean, I think everybody's remembering Peter Forsberg

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and how he ended his career andended his time with the Avalanche. All
that's very sad. You'd hate tosee it happen again to gab Lane discog,
but again that's the NHL. Markmethought had to have it happened to
him too, right, So yeah, I guess a downtrodden segment there sad
energy. Yeah, I mean,it's it's the story and it is nothing

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but bad news has surrounded the Avalanchethese last month and a half. Right,
So we'll see what the next seasonbrings, and a big offseason,
important off season. They have alot of opportunity and you know, can
have some wiggle room to improve theteam. This team is gonna look very
different. All right, Let's getback into the NHL after the break here
and look around the rest of theplayoffs, because we need to lighten up

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the mood in here, bring upthe end levels. Now, Ryan's Ryan.
Don't don't cry, man, don'tcry. But it's all right.
He's gonna be okay. He'll bewith the team no matter what, whether
as a player or a front officeguy. But we'll be back here on
the Hockey Show. This is myHigh Sports with JJ Ryan Danny Bailey will
be back after the break. Yeah, what go Colorado, Welcome back.

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This is the Hockey Show Colorado's becausethe best live hockey radio show, Jjjus
Ryan Bolda. I got some LittleWayne per my request, Bryan. So,
Little Wayne was in town on Sundaynight. Me, being the little
Wayne fan that I am, aboutthree months ago, purchased tickets. I
didn't know you did concert. Well, that's the thing. I don't know

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what happened to me. I don'tknow if it was COVID, but this
the thought of going because it wasat the film or right, a small
venue, very intimate, Lil Waynea big, big, very well known
across the globe star I'm like thatthat place is going to be packed.
And again, I don't know ifit was COVID or what happened to me,
but that's just the simple thought ofbeing in a crowd like that.

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I sold my tickets. Wow,I thought I thought you were gonna say,
because you knew it wasn't gonna startuntil ten o'clock. I was I'm
just too old. I said thatsounds terrible. I have a baby now
and like, I don't want toleave the baby for that long. It's
a Sunday night, you know.We've been up so late for all these
NHL games and even NBA Playoff games. I'm like, it's a Sunday night.

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I want to get to bed early. So I'm a little bit disappointed
that I missed the Lil Wayne concert. I've seen him before, fortunately,
so it's not something I had toscratch off my list. And it was
one of those you know where inhip hop artists bring out a band and
you've got drums and a guitar,and it's like you I've seen an atmosphere
that way at the film or band. This isn't the way I know this
song? Or don't you hate whenartists go out and sing a song differently

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than the way they recorded it,whether it's just you know, minor changes
here and there, and you're tryingto sing along but you're getting it wrong
because suddenly they switched it up.I hate that. I think you see
that more too as artist age,and maybe they can't you know, hit
the same notes well or for me, you know, maybe it's screaming here
there or whatever, Like I justbefore I left, actually I saw a

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surge tank in the lead singer ofSystem of a down film the reel of
himself doing a mic check, asound check before they play today in Vegas,
and he was, you know,singing, I can't think of this
song, tapeworm song, but hewas holding that his phone in his hand
and he wasn't he was singing itmore than kind of scream singing it,

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you know, like the rich oldversion. And you think, oh,
maybe it's because they're getting older.But yeah, I would rather though,
for hip hopper rap, I wouldrather a live band than like the hype
man who just like shouts the verseor the chorus or whatever, like just
half of the last the sentence,sentence, yeah exactly. I hate that

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hate that. I don't get it. Why I agree or when a lot
of hip hop artists too will they'lljust play the song right and and have
their original vocals and then they'll justlike sometimes yeah yeah, sometimes they sing
with it and sometimes not yah boothat Yeah. I woke up Monday morning
feeling no regrets, no regrets atall. So let's get into some more

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playoff hockey. I want to getinto the Vegas Edmonton series. I know
You touched on it a little bitin the first segment, But my point
about seeing two complete teams left inthe playoffs, Dallas and Carolina, that
was a shot directly at these twoteams, the Vegas Golden Knights in the
Edmonton Oilers. Why, because Ijust think they're playing sloppy hockey. They're

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playing very undisciplined, and neither ofthem strike me as a team that has
the full package. I look atthe Edmonton Oilers and I see a one
trick pony playoff or power play goals. Right. Eight of their seventeen goals
this series have been on the powerplay eight well, and part of that

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is Vegas taking penalties exactly. They'rethey're playing very undisciplined. You saw last
night Vegas up four to two,and what happens they get a major penalty.
Yeah, the last team you wantto let be on the power play,
the Edmonton Oilers. Oilers score onthe ensuing power play, it's suddenly
four three year backs against the walland everything's a mess. So I think

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between these two teams, it's beenfun to watch. You love the hatred
building up between the two, youlove the physicality, But as far as
championship hockey. I don't think eitherof them are displaying what it takes to
have that. Yeah, I don'ttotally agree in terms of the sloppiness completely
as an organizational identity for either team, but I do think they're both playing

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this kind of run and gun,open style of hockey where you're trying to
keep track of guys like Connor McDavidlee on dry sidle and that can create
some mismatches and opportunities. But Ido agree. I Vegas had taken like
at least one penalty in the firstperiod in every game until last night,
and they hadn't taken I think apenalty that whole game until the Coltar penalty,

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maybe one before that. Maybe there'sa high stick before that, so
they were they were figuring it out. But it gets kind of sloppy.
But on the other hand, youknow, against Edmonton, Vegas scored like
three goals in eighty nine seconds orsomething. That's game right there. That's
just burst in the middle of thisbreakdown. And more to my point,
all of the goals that the EdmontonOilers scored yesterday all on the power played

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right the one game they got theirbuttstick five to one, not a single
power play goal. So they areso reliant on this power player. If
Vegas can just wake up and nottake these stupid penalties, not, I
mean, and they're they're stupid penalties, right, They're not. They're not
hard working penalties. They're not gooddefensive zone effort penalties. They're dumb,
they're retaliatory. And yeah, Imean, look at Alex Petrangela. That

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penalty was so egregious. I justlike he just skated like ten feet with
a stick up in the air abovehis head like he was literally going to
chop lumber and just chopped dry Cydle'sforearm and you're like, man, if
that broke his forearm, I mean, what's this? What's the suspension looked
like there? It just was sounnecessary. I get being mad usually when

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something happens to me in a gameand I get really upset, and I'm
like, I'm gonna go hit thenext guy who touches the puck or whatever.
It may be egregious, but it'snot usually that egregious. And there's
I mean there's times where you're,you know, so mad that you you
do something just off the whim andyou're like, oh, shoot, I
maybe crossed the line there, butlike you said, he had time,

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he approached this, and he thiswas premeditated. He said, if I
see him in the corner, I'mjust gonna take a hack at his forearm.
It's funny you called it premeditated becausewe were talking about the comments Petrangelo
made today, Jesse Granger of TheAthletic putting them out that Partangelo said,
what Edmonton has been doing to himhas been premeditated, you know, in
reference to hitting him hard, goingafter him. You know, maybe Evander

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Kane hidden him from behind, didn't. I didn't really have as much of
an issue with that play in particular, but I think that's a two way
street. And you've seen it.Guys are going after nurse. Guys on
Seattle were going after Kale mccarr uvonTave's. You know, you see it
in every series. The plan ishit the defenseman. You know. I
used to watch Ryan Suter on TheWild and he would log like, I

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don't know, twenty five twenty sevenminutes a game, but he would he
would just cough up the puck ifhe was going to take a big hit.
And the reason in my mind washe can't play twenty seven minutes a
game effectively if he's getting hit everytime he touches his puck and he's getting
hit hard. So sometimes he's gotto give up the puck so he can
stay playing right. And that's thethat's the strategy for every team is you

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want to make the defenseman turn,you want to make them skate, and
you want to hit them. Ithink one guy who's been kind of flying
under the radar as far as mediaconversations, maybe even tweets out there just
overall mentions, is Jack Eichel,Right. I think he's been a difference
maker, and he's been a guythat hasn't been necessarily talked about. I

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mean his first of all, whenhe scores, his celebrations are fantastic.
Those are those are fun to see. But I don't think we expected this
from Jack Eichel. And now yousee Jack Eichel really performing as somebody literally
just now tweets about him. KatieBaker from The Ringer literally tweeted as JJ
saying that Jack Eichel finally made thepostseason and now has thirteen points in ten

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games. Jack Eichel is finding hispiece. Nice you know that one.
I know the Los Lobos version,Yo, Grandma, my grandma, K
I kind of want Edmonton to winjust because they play LaBamba by Los Lobos
when they when they win. Um, but and that was a hole to
do last year. I believe theLaBamba Los Lobos thing. You can go

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look it up on the internet.This is Jack eagles first playoffs and all
those years in the league. Ithink they're while maybe not discussed our expectations
on him being a superstar, beinga very high draft pick, and he's
kind of rising to the occasion.That's where we talked about last week,
and my Kentucky Derby pick was Vegas. I'm like, I think they have

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all the pieces. I mean,Mark Stone playing very well and you can
say what you want about the surgeriesand the cap and all that. I
don't really believe it's this nefarious,you know, illuminati plot. I just
think the man had two back surgeriesand the time they did it with timing
for the playoffs in mind, andthat's smart to He's been impressive, had

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a big goal last night using thatlong reach. Has the biggest knob on
his stick of any player in theNHLI at Businets, Yeah, I was
thinking that Paul Besson that last nighton the intermission show said what did he
say? Check out the knob onthat guy? Yeah, and you can
tell. I don't know if somebodyon TNT said something in their ears,

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because they all went silent for asecond, and then Businette picks up his
cup cup and doesn't uncomfortable like everybodywas giggling. Yeah, look at the
knob on that guy. But hedoes every time I see a stick on
the bench, I'm like, goodlord, Yeah, it's it's like two
rolls of the tape plus that likeboam wrap, like rippy rap stuff on
it. Um. As far asgoaltending, though, I don't know what

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Edmonton needs to do because I thinkthey're suddenly in a spot where they are
questioning Stewart Skinner but don't necessarily havethe confidence in Jack Campbell. But I
know one thing's for sure. Ifthey switched their goaltender for this game six,
it's gonna be over for them.I think right now, you have
to ride or die with what you'vegot, and I can't take a chance

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on Jack Campbell at this moment.That's I was talking about this last night.
I was like, man, Jacobwall is finishing this series for Toronto,
right, basically their third string goalie, right, yeah, called up
from the Marley's. And you're like, Matt Murray was a poor decision when
they made it, and it wasa poor decision when they left the playoffs.
And that's not a commentary on him. It's just a commentary on his

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sustainability and his health, his bodyholding up. It was just a bad
situation. And sam son Off,I think, is a fine, good
goalie. That was a good pick. Right will you go to Edmonton and
Edmonton signed Jack Campbell and you're like, the dude couldn't get it done in
Toronto. This is questionable. They'renot where they are without Stuart Skinner.
I think you need to trust inStuart Skinner. I do think he's made

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some questionable decisions goaltending. He isa rookie in the NHL, even if
he's an older one. I dothink at not all of it is his
fault. And when the team breaksdown and there's these situations where he's expecting
help that he's not getting because it'sthe Oilers and we've seen that for years,
maybe he overdoes it he's too scrambly, right, But now you've got

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Jack Campbell as your backup to aBrookie and that says everything you need to
know about how the season went forJack Campbell. And that's no disrespect to
him either, but there's it's justthose kinds of things around the league.
I mean, even New Jersey endedup going into their third string goalie and
a kire Schmidt and he was unbelievable, lights out. You know, we
talked about it early on Carolina.They even have Kechetkov who played a major

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part of the season as the thirdstring goalie and had success. Where do
you do there? Can Freddie Andersonstay healthy? Part of me wonders how
many of these teams are looking atlast year's Avalanche and saying, Darcy Kemper
wasn't phenomenal and they got it done. We can get it done with a
guy like Stewart Skinner. We canget it done with that. I maintain
that if you have the right defensivesyst them for a goalie to thrive,

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a goalie will thrive. You know, people didn't don't think that Georgieff did
enough. Thank you. Now we'reback to full package. Who's got the
full package. In my opinion,only two teams have the defensive structure they
have. I mean, because youlook at Carolina and their goalies aren't amazing,
but they have the defensive structure.So Carolina is one, and then

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you look at Dallas. They dohave a good goalie and they have the
defensive structure to protect it. Ithink Vegas is the third team though,
and this is why. How manygoalies did they use in the regular season
and they still finish first in theWest. Now we know the West was
weaker, but Carolina, how manygoalies did they use in the regular season

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seventeen and look at where they arenow. That's not I'm not saying you're
wrong about Dallas. I think you'revery right about Dallas. But I also
think Ottinger is the best goalie leftstanding for sure, and was one of
the best goalies entering the postseason.I'll say that too, so it's not
a you know, disservice to hisability. I do think Dallas has the
right system to support Ottinger and Dallas. The concern has always been can they

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score goals? And they have donethat pretty well in this series. But
I think Vegas, even in thisseries has lost goalies to injury, just
like all season long, still winning. Aiden Hill comes in plays well,
still winning. The crazy thing tome, Jonathan Quick is their third string
Goalie's not even been dressing. Maybehe's been back, maybe backed up Hill

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last night. I don't know.I was, you know, casually paying
attention, but I mean that's yourthird goalie there. I think they have
it. I think Carolina has Ithink Dallas has it. And then there's
you know, shout out to PhilipGrubauer, who has just been lights out
as the playoffs have gone on.I thought he was real shaky in the
first round. I think he's beengood. That take on Vegas. They're

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almost this year's Colorado Avalanche, soit's mostly just in that. Yeah,
I still don't see them getting pastDallas, but that'd be a fun matchup.
I mean, if that's if that'sa semi final. We're here Saturday
talking about Dallas and Vegas and thenCarolina and Florida. I think that's I
think all hockey fans would be veryhappy to watch both of those series.

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Yeah, all right, we're flyingthrough the show here. We got one
more segment for you to stick around. For the break. This is the
Hockey Show. I'm J. J. Jarez, Brian Boulding over here,
Anny Baby behind the Glass, Colorado'sbiggest and best live hockey radio show.
We'll be right back. Play hockeyand I forny Kate because it is the

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two most fun things in cold weather. Great, Ryan, it's a slow
start, I should have warned Danny. Yeah, it's been a busy day
for all of us, right man, I definitely like my and throw songs
better. I'm still feeling out thissong. It's new. Who is this?

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Queens of the Stone Age? Everheard of them? Learn them?
No, m I'd rather not gosee him at Red Rock. Definitely won't
go to the film or that's forsure. But welcome back. This is
the Hockey Show. Colorado speaks inthis like hockey radio. Ho Um,
what are we talking about? There'slots to get into still, I guess

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I really think the big news ofthe week around the NHL that wasn't playoff
related. Yes, Gabelane discog wasbig for us, but the Conrabadard situation
and the NHL draft, right,I think that a raised a lot of
suspicious eyebrows around the league and bejust really upset a lot of people considering
what has gone on within the Blackhawksorganization the last couple of years. Now

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suddenly, you know, whether intentionallyor not, are being rewarded with one
of the best draft picks to ever, not not ever, but to come
out in a long time, probablysince Connor McDavid. Potentially. Of course,
you can't, I can't guarantee anything, but um yeah, what did
you think about Chicago miraculously winning thefirst place? I do feel like they

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should not have been eligible because ofwhat unfolded with the Kyle Beach stuff and
the way that they handled it.So you think they shouldn't have had a
lottery ball at all. Just slapthem in number fifteen, yeah, or
don't even give them a first roundpick. You forfeit this, don't forget
I mean Arizona lost picks for youknow, having their own draft combine basically

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having workouts with prospects not allowed lostpicks. I mean it's there's It's not
like this is out of left field. There is precedent for this kind of
thing. I just don't think theowner cares. We've seen that when you
got all contentious about it with MarkLazarus and the town Hall. You know,

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it costs Joel Quinnville his job,costs Stan Bowman his job. Both
of them have to go through GaryBettman to get back into the league.
It sounds like that is unlikely tooccur anytime soon. I don't know.
I've heard Joel Quinnville's name get thrownaround quite frequently. Yes, we have
seen though reports that Gary Betman hasn'tspoken with him, and there's nothing on

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the books to speak with him.But he is currently you know, doing
speeches and touring to you know,give junior teams, you know, better
advice to handle a situation like thatand whatnot. So in my mind,
he's he's putting in the publication tour. Yeah. And I say that I
liked him as a coach and hada familial connection to him that didn't involve

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me, So I wasn't a partof that. But I do think he
has work to do to get backto the league. And I think that
the way he handled it was notgreat. I don't think it. The
onus is on him as much asit is Stan. But the organization was
involved. The organization didn't handle itproperly. The Organs I don't know has
done the work since then, andnow they get rewarded with a generational talent.

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It's hard. It's a hard pillto swallow. I don't think it's
rigged for Chicago to get this guy. It's just fancy coincidence that Tays and
Kane leave the organization and then thishappens. But to me, should they
have been eligible for the opportunity?No? You know me, Ryan,
I've been diving really deep into theNBA and the ref controversy, and I

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guess the way they kind of manipulatetheir organization, or at least are alleged
to in the past. Right,David Stern, the former commissioner of the
NBA, really being the guy thatdrove all of that, and a lot
of it was to protect the businessof the NBA. Right. NBA fans

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want to see the Lakers in thefinal more than they want to see the
Sacramento Kings in the final. Coincidentally, but LA Lakers now in the semi
final in the NBA after what werethey danny an eighth seed even less they
were one of the playing teams.So suddenly they're in the Western Conference final.
Wow? Weird? The LA Lakersagain are gonna draw big numbers for

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the playoffs. But the Miami Heatwe're an eighth seed. Yeah, yeah,
no, I got you. ButI think I think Miami's a pretty
big draw too. I think that'sespecially regionally what they've done in the past.
And Gary Bettman learned everything he knowsfrom David Stern. He used to
work in the NBA, And Ithink Gary Bettman has a certain sense of

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ability to protect the business. Well, it's his job. The NHL profits
way more with Chicago being good thanit would Anaheim, Arizona. What were
some of the other front runners.Yeah, but if that's the case,
how do we end up with aCarolina Hurricanes Florida Panthers Eastern Conference Final.

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Andrew Raycroft, Colorado Avalanche goalie,tweeted today Carolina versus Florida Eastern Conference Final
is the disaster if you are hopingfor a higher salary account. I don't.
I don't think the manipulation of theNHL goes as far as it does
in the NBA, where they're literallyrigging games. But I mean, if
if you're if you're staging anything tothe advantage of the league, why are

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you just doing it with drafts,Why aren't you doing it with games?
Who's to say that they're not fullyIf it's a conspiracy, it's a conspiracy
all around. I just think Ithink it's obvious. And I heard what
was it, Wasshinsky's point saying ifthis was rigged, they would give it
to Arizona because Arizona and nes Anew But don't I don't fully believe that

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because Arizona. How many times haveyou gone to an Avalanche game versus the
Coyotes and half of the building isArizona Coyote fans? Zero times? But
you do that around the league forthe Blackhawks. There's so many Blackhawks fans
out there that at least a relevantblack Hawks team rather than a tanking Blackhawks
team, is gonna bring more moneyto the NHL, especially in this era

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that we're in where they're trying torecover from COVID and trying to bring in
more money. Then there was somesuspicious activity with the Columbus Bluejackets and Kevin
Weeks falsely reporting where they were landingin the draft lottery. I mean,
he didn't falsely report it. Itwas an edited video, and whoever edited
it didn't cut his audio of revealingthe next pick before they went to commercial

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break. They finished third. Ijust don't believe in coincidences. And when
something smells fishy, it usually isfish Yeah, this is usually ridiculous.
But you want to you want totalk about teams that have fans and other
cities. I'm Chicago is a massivelybigger city than Phoenix, Okay, which

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means more Milly, Pittsburgh, largercities. Right, those people come out
and live here. I don't necessarilyknow that it's all travel. I think
it's a lot of transplant. Soyou don't think that if a Blackhawks are
in the final, it's a betterdrawn final than say of Vancouver's in it.
Well, right now, if wewant to compare Chicago to Arizona,

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Arizona's playing in a building that holdsfive thousand fans. Chicago has five levels.
Arizona's circling the drain. Well,they're looking for a new building.
I don't think they're circling the drain. I just think that they have been
a victim of circumstances, whether createdby themselves or not. Right, they've
been at odds with their building inGlendale for like as long as they've been

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a team. I just don't buyit. I think it's I get it.
I just think if there's I thinkit's too convenient of an argument to
say there's a conspiracy here but nothere. I think if there was the
conspiracy, it would be an allfacet well I wouldn't. I'm not gonna
say that there's not conspiracy here.There's just nothing I can say to,
you know, confidently bring up thatpoint. But this, I feel like

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I can confidently say, Okay,this matches up, this match is up.
I'm gonna I'm gonna bring this publicbecause I have way more crazy thoughts
in my head that I don't sayon the radio show or the or the
podcast. Right, let's keep themthat way. There's a certain time QMJHL
and on over here, there's there'sa certain point where I think that it
needs to be brought to light.I mean, I don't know. I

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just want to call a spade aspade. And I don't believe in coincidences.
If everybody else wants to be naiveand say, oh I don't see
it, I don't believe in it, that's not the way it's going everything's
fair, everything's clean. Everything inthe NHL is done by the books.
I think you're the crazy one.I don't really have a counter to.
Everything is done by that. He'scrazy. That's it, that's the show.
Ryan Bolding is the crazy one.I did I agreed with you?

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Oh my bad. Yeah, weweren't even listening. Sorry, didn't cut
us off, play us out.I had fun today. Yeah, are
we We're not coming back this nextweekend? Right, Memorial Day, that's
like two weeks from now. Ican you can you confirm that somebody get
this? This man some ambient Whenis when is Momorial Day? It is

(53:04):
like a Memorial Day is not untilthe following area next Monday. We'll be
back on this Monday, and notnext Monday, but the Monday after that,
so basically just in time for theStanley Cup final. Yeah, we
need to move Memorial Day up.We'll figure it out. All right,
Well, we'll be back next weekthen, all right, can't wait.
Thanks for hanging out with us todayfor Ryan, I'm JJ and Danny Bailey

(53:25):
behind the glass. We'll be backnext week. See you later. You
don't have to go home, butyou can't stay to home