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2. Thoughts on the Flyers Draft picks over the last 3 years
3. New ERA of Orange
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5. Extensions: Tyson & York
6. Season outlook
7. Wrap up
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Relax the keyboard is off, the press box is closed, and the mic is just getting warmed up!
Welcome to the Hockey Writers Ink, join your host Ron "SteelFlyers" Mont as I bring you all the latest on the Philadelphia Flyers and Lehigh Valley Phantoms!
On this episode the Hockey Writers Ink welcomes Chef and Isaiah from O & B Puck for a Flyers round table disussion!!
This week's talking points:
1. INTRO and THANKS
2. Thoughts on the Flyers Draft picks over the last 3 years
3. New ERA of Orange
4. Recent FA signings (Zeagras, Dvorak, Vladar)
5. Extensions: Tyson & York
6. Season outlook
7. Wrap up
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to The Hockey Writers, Inc. The show where the
writer is fresh off the presses and the ink is
not dry, relaxed, the keyboard is off and the press
boxes closed, with the mic is just getting warmed up.
Join your host Lance Green, the guardian of the blue
paint turned writer, and your co host Ron Steele Flyers
as we bring you all the latest on the Philadelphia Flyers.
(00:40):
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the next episode of The
Hockey Writers, Inc. With your host Ron Mont. Hey, folks,
how you doing, man? I tell you what we just
got guest after guest after guest. Right, first we started
with Pearlo, then we started with Jim Jackson, and now
oh yeah, baby sitting in the Hockey Writers Inc. Is
(01:01):
so proud, dude. Welcome the O and B Puck guys. Hey,
we got the Isaiah the Man, and we got the chef. Hey,
the O and B Puck boys are in the house
all right, Chef, How you doing? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Very good? Thank you. Looking forward to talking a little
bit of flyers here and in a very very hot day,
I was up on a couple of roofs today doing
inspections with one of our guys, one of our sponsors.
So it was it's hot up there, so I'm dying
for some ice cold hockey right now. So yeah, this
is this is all gonna get. I'm inside the ac
(01:43):
talking Flyer, so it's just gonna get right now.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
There you go, There you go, Isaiah, the main man,
pots and pans. How you doing, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Doing okay? Doing okay? A little bit of a low here,
so it gives us a chance to catch up with
everything with the Flyers in the NHL.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Exactly exactly, And that's one of the things I wanted
to kind of do here. I just want to sit
down and just kind of get the O and B
puck take on some things that's recently happened here with
the Flyers. We know that it's been a very busy
offseason here for Danny Brier and management, and.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And let's just start with that.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Okay, what do you guys think of how the Flyers
have evolved since Dan Helferdy has been named been named owner,
since Keith Jones has been named UH President of Hockey Operations,
and since Danny Brier has been named the general manager.
(02:46):
And I'll start with you, Isaiah, what what is your
take on just how this team has evolved from previous
to where we are right now.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well, I think the following somewhat of a similar path
that we saw with Ron Hextall to be quite frank,
but Danny Brier appears to be a little bit more
in touch with an evolving team and philosophy as opposed
(03:19):
to well, this is who we like and they kind
of draft the same guy over and over again. So
you saw that in the last draft where they look
at the team that they're building and how to get
from point A to point B or at least to
the next step in the process, and they drafted a
certain type of player that had certain intangible and obviously
(03:43):
tangible size, you know, qualities that they lacked, and it
kind of meshes with the smaller skilled players like mitchkov
and connect me and bringing in a skilled player like
Zegris to compliment them, and a slow but sure evolution
(04:06):
into what hopefully will turn out to be a window
of contention, first as a playoff contender and then hopefully
beyond that.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Okay, and Chef, what what is your take on on
the evolution of the Flyers since the new the new
era of Orange has taken over.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I will I will, I will say this, and me
saying this is you know, I thought about it, I
broke it down. If I had to give them a grade,
it would be a me a B plus I think
right now, because they did exactly what, well almost exactly
what they needed to do. There were a couple of
other things that they probably couldn't addressed, being goaltending to
(04:50):
be one of them, and a couple other little things.
So but overall, I've liked what they did. Danny has
positioned this team to make the cut and make the
moves and get rid of people and move people in,
move people out, that kind of thing. He's done that
with the whole pattern in mind, you know, whether it
(05:12):
be from like getting Zegres or you know, letting some
guys go like Morgan Frost and a favorite of mine, Farrabee. Yeah,
they were necessary, you know. You know sometimes when you're
a surgeon or a chef or whatever, you know, you
got to cut away some bad ingredients or bad skin
(05:33):
to heal the wound. And this is what he did.
He cut you like a surgeon. He dissected the problem
parts of this team that might have still been lingering
in some other parts too. And he did it with
the best interest of the team moving forward, because you know,
like Isaiah said, with the draft and everything he did
there to get that capital for the draft, he was
(05:53):
able to position himself now with the draft. Speaking in particular,
in the draft, I was a little siper. It didn't
take a kalie af they're thinking about it. I realized, Okay,
they had too of the season before, they picked through
the season before, and there both seem to be good
prospects that they can be, uh a one to two
punch for the team down the line, and you've addressed
(06:15):
the need this year. So I think that they kind
of plugged that hole. He knew that was going to
be a problem Danny, and he loved it. So overall,
I like the way everything's going. I think with these
a couple additions in all seasons signings here, I think
I don't know if it makes them a playoff team,
(06:35):
but I think if you look at it and you
just spent like, Okay, what did we lose points on
a wins? Was that a goalie thing? Okay? Then how
many do we can we get back? How many is
it not scoring? Okay? We got this, so we got
these two guys here now Zegres, and so we can
expect to score more goals. How many points does that work?
Does it get them to the playoffs? I don't know.
(06:56):
It puts them right near it. I think. I think
there's a chance. But there's also enough money there to
make necessary moves at the trade line. If you're if
you're in there because it, like Danny said, it was,
it was time to start adding back, Yeah you were.
You reward a team if they get to the point
where they're contending for a last spot and you got
(07:18):
you gotta reward keep rewarding them. And I think that's
where we're at.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, Okay, All in all, I have to say I've
liked the direction of the team. I've I've been impressed
with some of the moves that Danny has made since
he started as general manager. I mean, he definitely has
Cajone's the clank uh as far as I'm concerned. And
(07:46):
I like that about a general manager who's not afraid
to pull the trigger on things that need to be done.
And I liken this too. Do you remember when, uh oh,
when when Mike could came into the Bears, right, and
the first thing that he said to this team is, hey,
we're going to go to Super Bowl in three years,
(08:08):
and sixty percent of you that are in this room
ain't gonna be here, right, And I kind of likened
that to what the Flyers kind of did. They kind
of came in and exactly what you said, Chef. They
danny cleaned house, got rid of the fat, trimd the
silver skin off of that piece of tender loin, you
(08:29):
know what I mean, and did all those things that
needed to be done. You know, rip the band aid
off basically, because that's what we were asking. And that's
as fans as analysts, as we were asking, Hey, rip
the band aid off, let's go, let's do it. He
virtually did all those things. Now we're building back, right,
and I think we have a plan. And that's what
(08:50):
I've been really liking as far as coming out of
Philadelphia and their management is a plan, be good, bad,
or indifferent, it's a plan and they're sticking to it.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So, Okay, you guys had mentioned about the draft, and
there was some very key moments that happened in the
last two years here in the draft, last year being
the move to get the tanko and and and then
also two or the year before that to get Mitchkalugh. So,
(09:23):
I mean, the draft has had some some drama, if
you want to call it, and this year's draft was
not any different. There was still some trades and things
of that nature. And we were talking a little bit
off camera Isaiah about the draft and who others thought
that the Flyers should have picked at their number six spot.
(09:47):
Are you guys happy with how the Flyers have drafted, say,
the last three years. I'll go with the last three years, okay,
And I'll start with you, Chef, how how do you?
How do you go with the last three years as
far as what Danny has been able to do in
the draft.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Over the last three years. I this one. I give
it this past draft, and the only reason why I
give it this grade is a C plus if I
had to and people go like, oh, because I'll say this,
this is like unrealized potential.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Is in picks two, their second, the second pick, third pick,
and fourth pick and a couple down the line, they
got a lot of potential. It's very rare that we're
still speaking about fourth and fifth round guys that could
I could you sit there and you slot them down
down the line a couple of seasons, you know, three
or four years down the line, and he's your fourth
(10:45):
line center, he's your third line winger, he's your fourth
right winger. That's that kind of thing. It's not often
that you sit there and do this and everybody forgets
And I think we stretch this more than any other
podcast or outlet out there. You still have to feel
a minor league team and developed players, so you're not
always drafting essentially for the next big guy. You're drafting
(11:09):
for your system because you want your system to be healthy.
And the one thing I give them credit for, which
is if half these guys hit that let the hell
if two of them hit, they'll get a B plus
on this draft, I think for me, but also too,
you look at it and the guys that they pick,
even if they're in the farm system, they've got that.
(11:31):
They all have that compete, and I think that's what
they were looking for from this team. These guys. They
wanted guys that were gonna fight, fight, fight and compete
for jobs and all that and whether or not. I mean,
I was at one the second camp camp on day
two and they were, you know, drilling each other. I mean, uh,
(11:51):
who was it a nesbit? I think it was r
Tag that one of them drilled Owen somebody somebody I forget,
I can't think of the name right now, but he
drove him and I went oh and he went flying.
Next day, I see highlights. He's getting even he's drilling
this guy. It's it's there. That compete is there, and
(12:12):
then they're laughing and giggling about it. They're having a
great time. That's that's a healthy organization, even at the
Fantoms level or the Royals level, if that's where they're
playing at. If they're pushing each other and they're having
a good time and they're evolving with the franchise.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Wow, I love that point. Man, that's that hot take. Folks,
by the way, check it out. Isaiah. What do you
think about the draft as far as the last couple
of years with what the Flyers have been able to accomplish.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Man, that's the first year that Danny was really in charge.
There was the metchkaf here. If I recall, yeah, you
know you look down. I mean look the way they
recruited him kind of and brought him in and all that,
and I think there was a little pushback against some
other teams, so he didn't really choose his team, but
he kind of did at the very top of the draft.
(13:05):
So that was some clever maneuvering. And then you look
down and you see okay, and then they took Bank.
A lot of people wanted them to take Gabriel Perrot.
Gabriel Perou is a smallish guy, so really not sure.
He's a very skilled player, and if you look at
analytics and go by that, Pero should have been a pick.
But you Bank could be a steady eddie. You need
guys like that. Maybe he's like a bigger version of
(13:27):
Cam York.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Maybe Bunk has worked out a little better too than Perro.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I believe well, I still think well, Pero is in
the system now, so you know, because he went to college.
So you got one guy went to college as number
are not going to be as impressive as a guy
who stays in junior, right, And of course Bank had
a you know, come down with his his offense, but
he wasn't really drafted for that. But then you come
(13:52):
to the heart of the first draft to have to
be honest, and and then Sobragen, who actually may end
up being a better prospect and maybe the best prospecting
their system in goaltending, which they really need because a
lot of their their players. I mean, ever since Heart
went out, this this organization is back to the status quo. Yes,
you know Roman Chechmonic.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
But and then man, that's a name from the past.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh really they think about it. It means it's been
check manic. A little flash of the pan from Mason.
I think a little overrated by a lot of fans,
but I get he had some numbers. Uh. And then
a little roll the dice on the on Denver Barkie.
You know, I call guys like that the little engine
that could. I hope he makes it. I think he'll
be a pro Cole Knoble looks like a good pick.
(14:38):
And after that it's just, you know, yeah, it's whatever.
But last year I had a real problem, you know,
because I know Cheko I think was overdrafted. I think
they wanted Sam Dickinson, and I think they should trade
it up. Sam Dickinson looks like he's going to be
a first pairing defenseman, and that's you know, li Cheko.
I'd rather have constant hellnious because there's more bad player.
(15:00):
He doesn't skate as well, but he's more I think
he's a higher floor than Lichenko. Lichenko is a higher
floor in terms of overall defensively and excuse me start
talking to start coffin. Anyway, So Lichenko great speed, has
(15:21):
some great attributes, and the attitude is never going to
be a problem. Just the offense I'm not really crazy about.
They didn't like Zee Boyam. He didn't have a really
a great frame, uh a big frame. And you know,
but Minnesota it was easy for them because they have
who they have their smallish guy in first pairing defenseman
in Minnesota. He's been there for years, he's done a
great job. And Zee Boyam is actually bigger than that guy.
(15:44):
Name is Escape Escaping me. And then you have the centers.
Then they're like so desperate for centers. They draft Jack Berglin,
you know, he's like the third fourth line guy. And
then uh Hike Rhonean again and more of a project.
And yeah, so last year is kind of like a
c at best. This year the big controversy is whether
(16:09):
you know you had Hagen's meets the positional need and
then you had Morton so a purist. The BPA purist,
the guy who doesn't get paid to actually make these decisions,
but he puts out his opinion in publications. We'll say, well,
you know, whoever you think is best is who you
have to take, regardless of position. So you could say, well,
(16:29):
port of Marton. According to Corey Primeman, it was the pick.
He's better than Hagens. Hagens is top ceiling as a
second line center. Then you get the guy, you know, chef.
We were talking to the Jet danalyst, Steve Corneanos, who
everybody loved until our last show, who said, Hagens is
a better player, and he meets a positional need and
(16:50):
on top of that, then out of desperation, you take Marton.
That's a great pick. It will be a first line winger,
is a power forward, you know. But the then you, oh, wow,
we still need center. We're not really sure the cheko
is going to give us the offense. So we overdraft
and we we we you know, Jack Nesbitt, so it's
we don't know. It's gonna take four or five years.
(17:12):
And then a lot of these guys like quarter Amiico
that people like Bruce Witz and god, who's the fiddler
Fiddler Fiddler's kid for Blake Fiddler I think his name was,
and they like Tim Batner if they think quarter Amiko
is like six five two thirty already, this kid he
breaks his knee cap had a bad procedure. So and
(17:35):
then you get Mertag, Von Sagi and Matthew Guard and
there's gonna be a couple of pros in there. In fact,
there might be three out of four are going to
be pros. And how many two of them might be
NHL players, So you add it all up. I think
the flyers overall that give you this like five minute analysis,
they're waiting for the final grade. Give me a drum beat,
and I'll say you so far. I think it's like
(17:56):
a be You know, if you take the amalgamation of
the three years, it's probably gonna end up looking back
as it be. But the one of those goalies has
to hit and Porter Marton has to be a first line.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Player, and I think that you need to have Lichenko
needs to hit two.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
You've got at least a solid like one of the
best line players. I don't know if he's the second liner,
not sure.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Right, So now I got to watch Lichenko play with
the Fantoms because I'm so deeply involved in the prospects.
I was not very happy with the way the Flyers
drafted last year. I thought they could have done better.
Last year's draft wasn't quite as deep as this year's
drafts as far as I'm concerned. What I mean by
(18:41):
deep is that there's a lot of players that are
in this past year's draft that are gonna be NHL starters,
and some of them are going to be All Stars. Okay,
And I have to agree with the whole fact of Okay,
what are you going to do? Are you gonna take
what you need or the best athlete available? Frankly, if
(19:06):
I would have had my pick at six for from Philadelphia,
I probably would have gone either. I would have either
taken Haggins or O'Brien because of the need of the
Flyers that that center and and everything else like that. Yeah, go.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
All right. We had when we had Shane mcloyal on
our show, and and I kind of subscribe to this,
this theory in this league anymore, you know, there's look,
look how many number we had to argument how many
number one centers are there in the league? True number one?
Maybe nine? If you're could talk about you know, you know,
franchise centers maybe fourteen, all right, so that means there's
(19:54):
you know, twenty plus teams that don't have a number
one center. Like Vegas didn't have a number one on center,
but they had like three two's and one three. So
the formula is you could still, I do believe, in
this day and age, get there without a number one center.
And if I look down the board, see I I know,
we we glossed over Rhanan, but I think he's I
(20:16):
think he's gonna be one of the one of the
players that's surprised. You know, there there are some guys,
like I said, that's full of potential in there, but
I think I don't. I don't think there's at this point,
if you're telling me that you're gonna have Luchenko, Mitch Kauff,
and Marton on one line together and that you know,
(20:38):
I'm not upset about that. The hell of a line? Yeah?
Is it a number one line in the NHL? Quite possibly,
depending upon it might not be the best number one
line in the league, but it's you know, let's face it,
you know everybody wants that number one line to be
like the freaking Legion to do where they just dominate everybody.
(20:58):
But you gotta understand that was that's so freaking rare.
How many number one teams, maybe like three or four
lines in the whole league that can dominate. There's only
about three or four of them if you really dig
in look at it. So there, I'd rather have, you know,
four number two line, number two seas or three number
(21:20):
two season one, three or four seed. I don't care,
and and and be able to run four lines or
matchups don't matter so much anymore. Everybody can play, you know,
And I think that's what they're trying to do here
with this lineup, is because they know unless they sign
a free agent like McDavid next year or somebody else,
you know, the following year you're you're drafting, you're drafting
(21:44):
a number one center is a couple of years away,
three four years away maybe. And now now if you
get it, and then factor in if you get better,
guess what, you're still not getting there because you're drafting
too high. I'd be too low.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, no, no, everything you guys are saying, yeah, go ahead, money.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, it's just one thing. When Vegas got there, that
was like that one year with the h with the
draft and the expansion draft that yeah, nobody, I mean
Seattle will testify to this. And they didn't have the
advantage that Vegas had a once in a lifetime thing.
And what is what is Vegas spent their time doing
since then getting the best they can get, spending a
(22:22):
whole that money. They do have a number one center,
his name is Jack Eichael. Then they went out and
got the best scoring winger in Marner right, and they
had Petraangelo who was probably one of the top ten
defenseman the entire league. So I mean, yeah, the philosophy
that you were referring to that Shane was talking about, yeah,
it could work. But usually what Vegas is doing and
(22:44):
trying to get the best players, just like Dallas went
out and got ranting in that that usually is what
is what wins, and just like Florida did. So you know,
I think everything is geared towards next year, making that
big trader free agency or finding out a player has
a season of discontent in some you know, some other
(23:05):
spot who we can't foresee and hoping the Flyers can
pounce on that with the cap space that really will
be available next year, because this year they're not going
to like they're not going to trade a guy away
like the way they did two years ago. Okay, like
they did with Walker and everything, They're not going to
do that this year. If the Flyers are contending, I
(23:27):
think this year, okay, let's reward these guys. A couple
of years ago. They weren't ready for that, right right,
That's like that's the incremental improvement for this year. And
they're hoping Zegrets is part of that because real important.
He could be a shortcut to, you know, whatever they're
trying to do. But suffice to say that, yeah, it's
(23:47):
better to have a couple of stars. It really seems
that you have to have a few, and that goaltending
is is going to be key.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
See now, that's that's where I was going to get to. Look,
I understand the I understand that, But as far as
what I've seen over the last few years and what's winning,
teams have a number one center, to have a number
one defenseman, and they have a top flight goalie. Okay, now,
(24:16):
maybe not all teams have all that all at the
same time, but I would at least like to see
try to get to that point. I understand about having
enough guys to be to fill out the roster and
have multiple, you know, talented players. I think that at
(24:39):
the end of the day, though, is they're just trying
to put the best team out there to try to
win as many games as they possibly can. Okay, and
without us actually being in the room with them, all
we're doing is speculating about what their philosophies are, what
they're doing. All we can go buy is what we see. Right,
(25:02):
So this is the draft picks that they picked. This
is the direction they're going. Okay, as far as I'm concerned,
I like the direction they're going with. They're drafting now
that they're getting larger players, players that are above six
feet In this year's draft, there was two rounds where
not a single player was drafted under six foot tall,
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two straight rounds in a row this past draft. Now,
you guys are talking about cap space and everything for
next year. Cool, but I would much rather see draft
capital for next year because I think next year you're
gonna see a good crop of players as well too.
And Chef is just like you're talking about, you gotta
build Redding, you gotta build Lehigh, you gotta build Philadelphia.
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You gotta build all those things. You got to restock
the cabinets, you know what I mean. And I think
that's exactly what they're doing. And I've been really impressed
with their direct maybe not necessarily who they're drafting, but
I'm gonna say until I see results, I'm gonna say
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c plus over the last three years. Okay, they got
really lucky on Mitch Cough. Okay, really did because he
was three years out or more right, and they got
really lucky on or was he or was he right?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Right? We won't hear that story for ten years, right,
what really happened after ten years? But I guarantee it'll
be a nice little beer beer in the back of
a bar story. I can guarantee that.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Guarantee you that there was definitely some fanaggling going on.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You know. It's like when they were saying about the
tampering thing. Everybody tampers, everybody does. I mean, come on,
it's so blatant.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Now it's like, really, why do you guys even why
do you guys even call that a violation because it's
so blatant. I don't get it. But okay, so now
you guys also mentioned a couple of things that the
Flyers have done to And I've been kind of really
impressed with this, with the trade of getting Trevor Ziegris
and then the re signing of Tyson Forrester, even though
unfortunately he's going to probably miss some time owing to
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the injury, and then the re signing of Cam York,
and then the signing of some of the other free
agents like of Ladder for the goaltending and Devorak added
in as well too. So what do you guys think
about the crop here now of this team moving forward,
of what we're going to see this coming year. And
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I'll say, I'll say, let's start with Isaiah.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, I think that they had to improve at center
and in goal. So that was a concentration. You know,
they went out and got Trevor Ziegris for Ryan Paling,
and you know there was some draft capital going in
both directions, and I'd say the Flyers did very well
to take a swing with a guy who may not
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really be a center in the long run. They're hoping
that his off the pup play is so called B
game can improve and his face off performance won't make
it necessary that they take the Vullak or Kates take
them out of the center position and put them on
the wing to take those face off So, I mean, look,
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they got them for a very good price for a
reason because his game fell off, he had injuries, but
he's done it. When you look at his game. The
first time I ever saw him, I said, this is
what we thought Morgan Frost could be. So he's like
a better version of that player because he's all day long, right,
So you have a very similar skill set, and you
think right away, well, on the power play, it's got
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to help, I mean anything to help their power play,
so that at the very least, even if he's a
one and done, and it's possible that that could be
the case, it should be much more exciting on the
power play. But you hope that he can play center.
He says he feels more comfortable there playing under Rick Tocket.
It'll be very interesting how much patience Tackett has with
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him off the pock and at the face off circle.
And we'll just have to see if he can hold
on to the center spot or he will be moved
out to the wing and then all of a sudden,
there's a little bit of a shortage at that position.
In goal. There were a lot of people lamenting that
Arthur's She Loves was picked up by Pittsburgh yesterday, and
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because he's a twenty four year old kid, we played
for Vancouver. And then I thought to myself, wait a minute,
if anybody knows she Loves, it would be Rick Tockett,
and he would have been in the year at Danny
Briere as a better choice than Dan Vladar, who has
They all have question marks. She Loves is not really established.
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He's a younger guy, but he has supposedly, you know,
some promise, and Vancouver set with what they have, and
so I think with Urson and Flador if we can,
everybody's saying the same thing, but I feel the same way.
So you know, they have to get the league average
in goal. I think it's the the erratic nature of
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the volatility and goal last year was so below the
professional standard at times. With Fadotov and Kolosofi, the whole
situation is very strange. I don't know if he's really
even going to be any organization anymore. Speaking with Kolosoft
and Fidotov won't be happy he's sharing the net in
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Lehigh Valley with be honest, and I would imagine, so
we'll have to see how that plays out. But in
terms of the Flyers goaltending, I think they will need
a third goalie. Flodor has never played more than thirty
games the NHL, right, so he's had some injury problems.
Guys like that all of a sudden at age twenty seven,
just oh well, now I can handle forty five games
if me and Ersa has not been a durable player,
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So we will probably see about ten to fifteen games
with somebody else is a net. But you know, we'll
see how it works out with these guys. It should
be better. They should be better at center, and I
you know, I'd be neglectful if I didn't mention Christian
Devorek was a professional center, so he may play on
a fourth line at times. I would not be surprised
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by the season's end that he is a rock solid
getting the third most amount of minutes and not the
second most amount of minutes. A lot of it depends
on whether they rush. Lichenko int into it, right, and
I think Tackett would be less likely to rush a
player which I feel better about. Was last year Lecheko
was mishandled and it didn't do well for him. You know.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
So, okay, and and Chef, what do you think about
us moving forward here with this team and all the
moves that they made and everything.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And well, I'll say this because I said it to
Belis Show and I have. I've been saying what this
team was from last couple of years. I told that,
you know, when they would we're in that last player spot.
It was there as to lose. A couple of years ago,
I said they're not gonna make the playoffs, and I
just just knew that they couldn't sustain that pace they
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were at. Now you've got a different team. This is
a different team. It was a team that thinks it
can win. This is a team that believes it will win.
You go, you go in there. You know they were
going in there going out. We we we're gonna lose
this one, boys. And and now I think the whole
attitude turn around. I think we're gonna be We're gonna
win this one, boys. And I think that's what the
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most important thing is about this. So if I had
to say anything, I would say this. I say that
right you know, this team will be in the mix
at the trade, at the trade deadline for a playoff spot,
I think Danny will take the swing, and then I
think that they just miss it. But he takes the swing.
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I think that's the most important thing because if this
team is anywhere good round the playoffs, you know, but
de trade deadline for the playoffs, if they're sniffing around there,
you have to believe in your team created it, and
I think you have to reward them. It's not one
of those years where you say we're gonna stand fast.
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I think that's where they're gonna be. I think if
there's a chance, because look, I want them to make
the playoffs. Yeah, hockey wants them to make the playoffs.
NHL teams to around this country. This game is so
much better when people are gonna hate me for this,
when the Flyers, the Devils, the Rangers, the Islanders, the Bruins,
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when they all make the playoffs. This this product is
better to the league, does a lot better as a whole.
We're carrying. You know, we have a responsibility to put
out one of the best teams out there, and I
think that's what they I think that's what it'll do. Man.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I like that attitude I definitely like that attitude. I
like what what's been going on. I liked that they're
sticking to the plan. Some things I probably would have
done a little differently. I probably would have handled some
things a little different. But for the most part, I'm
liking what I'm seeing. I'm feeling that we're gonna get
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at least a semblance of trying to get to that
promised land. Do you know what I mean? Like it
seems so unreachable the last few years, where this year
we're actually kind of pondering the sniff of it, you
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know what I mean, Like that the wafting odor of
playoffs is just barely nipping the surface for us, do
you know what I'm saying, Like it's almost to where
we can taste it. Okay, And I think that I
looked at this whole year, this whole off season, with
the hiring of the new coach, which hey man, they
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wanted Rick tocket Okay, you bring in Rick Tockett. I
just hope that he's able to adapt his system of
play to the players he has on the team, instead
of trying to force the team into a system that
doesn't have the players. To accomplish that system.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
You know what I'm saying, Well, he's addressed that. You know,
he actually has spoken to that. He's going to look
at his players and design the system around that.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Right. So as long as he does that, okay, then
I'm okay with that because I think he's going to
do exactly with what Tortorella did in a different way.
He's going to be able to get the most out
of these guys, but in a different way, in a
different culture, in a different message. Okay, and I I
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have a little bit of things with coaches that used
to be players because they can relate to players a
little easier because they've been on the other side of that.
They've had the coach dress them down. They've had the
coach come to them and say, hey, I need you
to be the leader. They've had the coach come to
them and say, hey, I need you to step up,
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or hey, you're doing really good or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Whatever. So okay, remember remember Stele, what you know. You
go back and you look in your high school years
or your college years, and you speak to your teachers,
and the ones that made the most mark, left the
most better impression on you, the ones that were the
best teachers were those C grade students. It's average students
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because they knew. I mean, like it's great. You know,
how did you know? Greatski did end up being a
head coach for a little bit, But how well did
he do? I mean, I don't know. So you know,
there is a saying out there, those that can do
those that can't teach right. And sometimes you need a
perspective of somebody who failed at what they've done to
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get there because they know what it takes to get there.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Now, you know, that's a great analogy. That's a great
analogy because you do have to do that. You do
have to fail sometimes in order to get better at something,
you know what I mean. So I'm liking that. I'm
liking the direction. Like I said, a couple of things
I would have done differently. If they make the playoffs
this year, I think that's going to accomplish the watershed
year that I think that I've been kind of looking
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for for this year. I wanted him to hire the
coach before the draft. They accomplished that. They didn't just
hire a coach, They hired Rick Talking. Okay, as far
as I'm concerned, he was the best coach available at
the time to come in here and coach this team.
They hired him before the draft. They hired all the
most of all his staff before the draft. Okay, that
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was part of the watershed. They needed to pick a
guy in this year's draft that was going to be
that guy, the Porter Martones, the James Haggens, the Matthew
Schaeffer is the pick somebody. I don't care Kayshawn Agentsen,
it wouldn't matter. Okay. They needed to pick a guy
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this year that has to be that star attraction that
will bring people in to put butts in the seats. Okay,
and so I think that they're accomplishing that. So we
need to work on the goaltending because that's sore. And
we need to work on power play because that is
beyond sore. If you get the power play to the
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mid level twenty percent between fifteen and twenty percent at
success rate on the power play, and if you have
the goaltending, like Isaiah said, where it's better than the
bottom of the barrel average. Okay, if you just have
average goaltending, right.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Make the saves, yeah, make the saves that you need
to make, so you you got your defense plays average,
your goaltender's play average, your hockey, your your your power
play is twenty percent. We're not king for the world. Yeah,
you know, all the you score a little more goals,
you know, twenty five thirty more goals as a team
(39:11):
this year. How many? How how how all these things
translate into points? It could. It would surprise a lot
of people. So I think the chance is there. I
think if they you know, if they make their moves
right and they place himself in the position that they
Danie'll have to bite. Yeah you can't.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I agree. I agree.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
But by the way, just for the O c D
listeners in the audience, Jared Spurgeon was the defenseman I
was trying to think of.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I was talking about fantasy hockey. I liked this name
for somebody.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah that that's why they probably felt more comfortable Sturgeon
for them.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, thank these who are crack research staff Isaiah for
doing that.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, I hate when I forget a name. And I know,
justify why I said what I said about ze boy.
But anyway, yeah, I'm just a little bit less sanguine.
I don't think they're going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I don't need that it's a goaltending. It always to me,
you know, at the end of the day, if you
can get a save when you need to save, and
I just don't see anything ersn it's always it's a tease.
It's a tease. But if he's the man, I don't
think as as much as they trumpet his ability to
handle things mentally, I don't see the results that match.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
That, right, So.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Results driven, Yeah, I just don't see that. And I
think that's going to be a problem. That's one of
the reasons we're probably going to see another goaltender, whether
it's in house or through injury. They're going to have
to make a trade or something like that. Okay, guys
are twenty seven, never played more than thirty games. I mean,
anything's possible. But you know, I'm trying to keep it real.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You know, I'm with you. I'm with you on keeping
it real. Well, speaking of keeping it real, folks, we
had an amazing, amazing show here to put out here
for you folks. We had the O and B Puck
guys come in for a visit and just sit around
and jaw about flyers hockey and and I can't say
enough about the respect that I have for the O
(41:15):
and B Puck Cast. Show you Isaiah, Yu, Chef and
and Dan, all the great guests that you guys have,
all the great information you guys have, and all this
great stuff you guys put out there. You guys are
one of the top ten Philadelphia Flyers podcast along with
Hockey Writers inc. Right, we're ranked number ten, and I
think you guys are like fourth or third or something
(41:38):
like that. Right, I forget which which where you guys
are at checkout? Right?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Anymore? I think I'll float away with all this fluffer again.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
You know, what can I say? What can I say?
Hit these guys up on all the social media's be
sure to check them out. We'll have all the links
and everything in the description. So Isaiah, why don't you
tell the folks where we can find you, where we
can get you, sir.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Sure you can follow us on social media on X
at omb Puck, at Omb Puck, also on Blue Sky.
We're not as busy there, also on the Getter for
a certain group of listeners at OMB Podcast at O
and B Podcast, we're most active on X it's kind
of like our home base. And also we're on Facebook
and YouTube. Just plugging their O and B podcast and
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we'll pop up and we're a whole bunch of podcast platforms.
We just started streaming to x Facebook and hopefully by
the end of the month we'll stream directly live on
YouTube and this time we'll give people heads up about
it so they can ask questions and be more interactive.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
So awesome, man, can't wait to check that out. Chef.
Where we can we find you and where can we
get all your great stuff?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Well, I'm lurking around on XTAM the Creeper Chef, and
I just throw a little tipbit bobbs once and ever while, like, yeah,
the Flyers are gonna make the playoffs this year, and
it's kind of like stirring up all the cats, you know,
like crazy. So but hey, the good thing about it
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is the problem is I think I believe it this year.
But I also if you want to argue with me
about it, that's fine. I'm fine with that. I don't
block anybody. Say what you want, say your piece, I'm fine,
And you can argue with me at Chef to left B,
on x Chef to lex B.
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Man.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
They'll have a great show for you. Be sure to
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Writers Inc. For Special show number one ninety nine. How
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Welcome is the O and B Popcast. Guys, Thank you
all very much for joining us. We'll catch you all
on the next one.
Welcome to The Hockey Writers, Inc. The show where the
writer is fresh off the presses and the ink is
not dry, relaxed, the keyboard is off and the press
boxes closed, with the mic is just getting warmed up.
Join your host Lance Green, the guardian of the blue
paint turned writer, and your co host Ron Steele Flyers
as we bring you all the latest on the Philadelphia Flyers.
(00:40):
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the next episode of The
Hockey Writers, Inc. With your host Ron Mont. Hey, folks,
how you doing, man? I tell you what we just
got guest after guest after guest. Right, first we started
with Pearlo, then we started with Jim Jackson, and now
oh yeah, baby sitting in the Hockey Writers Inc. Is
(01:01):
so proud, dude. Welcome the O and B Puck guys. Hey,
we got the Isaiah the Man, and we got the chef. Hey,
the O and B Puck boys are in the house
all right, Chef, How you doing? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Very good? Thank you. Looking forward to talking a little
bit of flyers here and in a very very hot day,
I was up on a couple of roofs today doing
inspections with one of our guys, one of our sponsors.
So it was it's hot up there, so I'm dying
for some ice cold hockey right now. So yeah, this
is this is all gonna get. I'm inside the ac
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talking Flyer, so it's just gonna get right now.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
There you go, There you go, Isaiah, the main man,
pots and pans. How you doing, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Doing okay? Doing okay? A little bit of a low here,
so it gives us a chance to catch up with
everything with the Flyers in the NHL.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Exactly exactly, And that's one of the things I wanted
to kind of do here. I just want to sit
down and just kind of get the O and B
puck take on some things that's recently happened here with
the Flyers. We know that it's been a very busy
offseason here for Danny Brier and management, and.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And let's just start with that.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Okay, what do you guys think of how the Flyers
have evolved since Dan Helferdy has been named been named owner,
since Keith Jones has been named UH President of Hockey Operations,
and since Danny Brier has been named the general manager.
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And I'll start with you, Isaiah, what what is your
take on just how this team has evolved from previous
to where we are right now.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well, I think the following somewhat of a similar path
that we saw with Ron Hextall to be quite frank,
but Danny Brier appears to be a little bit more
in touch with an evolving team and philosophy as opposed
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to well, this is who we like and they kind
of draft the same guy over and over again. So
you saw that in the last draft where they look
at the team that they're building and how to get
from point A to point B or at least to
the next step in the process, and they drafted a
certain type of player that had certain intangible and obviously
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tangible size, you know, qualities that they lacked, and it
kind of meshes with the smaller skilled players like mitchkov
and connect me and bringing in a skilled player like
Zegris to compliment them, and a slow but sure evolution
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into what hopefully will turn out to be a window
of contention, first as a playoff contender and then hopefully
beyond that.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Okay, and Chef, what what is your take on on
the evolution of the Flyers since the new the new
era of Orange has taken over.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I will I will, I will say this, and me
saying this is you know, I thought about it, I
broke it down. If I had to give them a grade,
it would be a me a B plus I think
right now, because they did exactly what, well almost exactly
what they needed to do. There were a couple of
other things that they probably couldn't addressed, being goaltending to
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be one of them, and a couple other little things.
So but overall, I've liked what they did. Danny has
positioned this team to make the cut and make the
moves and get rid of people and move people in,
move people out, that kind of thing. He's done that
with the whole pattern in mind, you know, whether it
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be from like getting Zegres or you know, letting some
guys go like Morgan Frost and a favorite of mine, Farrabee. Yeah,
they were necessary, you know. You know sometimes when you're
a surgeon or a chef or whatever, you know, you
got to cut away some bad ingredients or bad skin
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to heal the wound. And this is what he did.
He cut you like a surgeon. He dissected the problem
parts of this team that might have still been lingering
in some other parts too. And he did it with
the best interest of the team moving forward, because you know,
like Isaiah said, with the draft and everything he did
there to get that capital for the draft, he was
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able to position himself now with the draft. Speaking in particular,
in the draft, I was a little siper. It didn't
take a kalie af they're thinking about it. I realized, Okay,
they had too of the season before, they picked through
the season before, and there both seem to be good
prospects that they can be, uh a one to two
punch for the team down the line, and you've addressed
(06:15):
the need this year. So I think that they kind
of plugged that hole. He knew that was going to
be a problem Danny, and he loved it. So overall,
I like the way everything's going. I think with these
a couple additions in all seasons signings here, I think
I don't know if it makes them a playoff team,
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but I think if you look at it and you
just spent like, Okay, what did we lose points on
a wins? Was that a goalie thing? Okay? Then how
many do we can we get back? How many is
it not scoring? Okay? We got this, so we got
these two guys here now Zegres, and so we can
expect to score more goals. How many points does that work?
Does it get them to the playoffs? I don't know.
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It puts them right near it. I think. I think
there's a chance. But there's also enough money there to
make necessary moves at the trade line. If you're if
you're in there because it, like Danny said, it was,
it was time to start adding back, Yeah you were.
You reward a team if they get to the point
where they're contending for a last spot and you got
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you gotta reward keep rewarding them. And I think that's
where we're at.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, Okay, All in all, I have to say I've
liked the direction of the team. I've I've been impressed
with some of the moves that Danny has made since
he started as general manager. I mean, he definitely has
Cajone's the clank uh as far as I'm concerned. And
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I like that about a general manager who's not afraid
to pull the trigger on things that need to be done.
And I liken this too. Do you remember when, uh oh,
when when Mike could came into the Bears, right, and
the first thing that he said to this team is, hey,
we're going to go to Super Bowl in three years,
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and sixty percent of you that are in this room
ain't gonna be here, right, And I kind of likened
that to what the Flyers kind of did. They kind
of came in and exactly what you said, Chef. They
danny cleaned house, got rid of the fat, trimd the
silver skin off of that piece of tender loin, you
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know what I mean, and did all those things that
needed to be done. You know, rip the band aid
off basically, because that's what we were asking. And that's
as fans as analysts, as we were asking, Hey, rip
the band aid off, let's go, let's do it. He
virtually did all those things. Now we're building back, right,
and I think we have a plan. And that's what
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I've been really liking as far as coming out of
Philadelphia and their management is a plan, be good, bad,
or indifferent, it's a plan and they're sticking to it.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So, Okay, you guys had mentioned about the draft, and
there was some very key moments that happened in the
last two years here in the draft, last year being
the move to get the tanko and and and then
also two or the year before that to get Mitchkalugh. So,
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I mean, the draft has had some some drama, if
you want to call it, and this year's draft was
not any different. There was still some trades and things
of that nature. And we were talking a little bit
off camera Isaiah about the draft and who others thought
that the Flyers should have picked at their number six spot.
(09:47):
Are you guys happy with how the Flyers have drafted, say,
the last three years. I'll go with the last three years, okay,
And I'll start with you, Chef, how how do you?
How do you go with the last three years as
far as what Danny has been able to do in
the draft.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Over the last three years. I this one. I give
it this past draft, and the only reason why I
give it this grade is a C plus if I
had to and people go like, oh, because I'll say this,
this is like unrealized potential.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Is in picks two, their second, the second pick, third pick,
and fourth pick and a couple down the line, they
got a lot of potential. It's very rare that we're
still speaking about fourth and fifth round guys that could
I could you sit there and you slot them down
down the line a couple of seasons, you know, three
or four years down the line, and he's your fourth
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line center, he's your third line winger, he's your fourth
right winger. That's that kind of thing. It's not often
that you sit there and do this and everybody forgets
And I think we stretch this more than any other
podcast or outlet out there. You still have to feel
a minor league team and developed players, so you're not
always drafting essentially for the next big guy. You're drafting
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for your system because you want your system to be healthy.
And the one thing I give them credit for, which
is if half these guys hit that let the hell
if two of them hit, they'll get a B plus
on this draft, I think for me, but also too,
you look at it and the guys that they pick,
even if they're in the farm system, they've got that.
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They all have that compete, and I think that's what
they were looking for from this team. These guys. They
wanted guys that were gonna fight, fight, fight and compete
for jobs and all that and whether or not. I mean,
I was at one the second camp camp on day
two and they were, you know, drilling each other. I mean, uh,
(11:51):
who was it a nesbit? I think it was r
Tag that one of them drilled Owen somebody somebody I forget,
I can't think of the name right now, but he
drove him and I went oh and he went flying.
Next day, I see highlights. He's getting even he's drilling
this guy. It's it's there. That compete is there, and
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then they're laughing and giggling about it. They're having a
great time. That's that's a healthy organization, even at the
Fantoms level or the Royals level, if that's where they're
playing at. If they're pushing each other and they're having
a good time and they're evolving with the franchise.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Wow, I love that point. Man, that's that hot take. Folks,
by the way, check it out. Isaiah. What do you
think about the draft as far as the last couple
of years with what the Flyers have been able to accomplish.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Man, that's the first year that Danny was really in charge.
There was the metchkaf here. If I recall, yeah, you
know you look down. I mean look the way they
recruited him kind of and brought him in and all that,
and I think there was a little pushback against some
other teams, so he didn't really choose his team, but
he kind of did at the very top of the draft.
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So that was some clever maneuvering. And then you look
down and you see okay, and then they took Bank.
A lot of people wanted them to take Gabriel Perrot.
Gabriel Perou is a smallish guy, so really not sure.
He's a very skilled player, and if you look at
analytics and go by that, Pero should have been a pick.
But you Bank could be a steady eddie. You need
guys like that. Maybe he's like a bigger version of
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Cam York.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Maybe Bunk has worked out a little better too than Perro.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I believe well, I still think well, Pero is in
the system now, so you know, because he went to college.
So you got one guy went to college as number
are not going to be as impressive as a guy
who stays in junior, right, And of course Bank had
a you know, come down with his his offense, but
he wasn't really drafted for that. But then you come
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to the heart of the first draft to have to
be honest, and and then Sobragen, who actually may end
up being a better prospect and maybe the best prospecting
their system in goaltending, which they really need because a
lot of their their players. I mean, ever since Heart
went out, this this organization is back to the status quo. Yes,
you know Roman Chechmonic.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
But and then man, that's a name from the past.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh really they think about it. It means it's been
check manic. A little flash of the pan from Mason.
I think a little overrated by a lot of fans,
but I get he had some numbers. Uh. And then
a little roll the dice on the on Denver Barkie.
You know, I call guys like that the little engine
that could. I hope he makes it. I think he'll
be a pro Cole Knoble looks like a good pick.
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And after that it's just, you know, yeah, it's whatever.
But last year I had a real problem, you know,
because I know Cheko I think was overdrafted. I think
they wanted Sam Dickinson, and I think they should trade
it up. Sam Dickinson looks like he's going to be
a first pairing defenseman, and that's you know, li Cheko.
I'd rather have constant hellnious because there's more bad player.
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He doesn't skate as well, but he's more I think
he's a higher floor than Lichenko. Lichenko is a higher
floor in terms of overall defensively and excuse me start
talking to start coffin. Anyway, So Lichenko great speed, has
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some great attributes, and the attitude is never going to
be a problem. Just the offense I'm not really crazy about.
They didn't like Zee Boyam. He didn't have a really
a great frame, uh a big frame. And you know,
but Minnesota it was easy for them because they have
who they have their smallish guy in first pairing defenseman
in Minnesota. He's been there for years, he's done a
great job. And Zee Boyam is actually bigger than that guy.
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Name is Escape Escaping me. And then you have the centers.
Then they're like so desperate for centers. They draft Jack Berglin,
you know, he's like the third fourth line guy. And
then uh Hike Rhonean again and more of a project.
And yeah, so last year is kind of like a
c at best. This year the big controversy is whether
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you know you had Hagen's meets the positional need and
then you had Morton so a purist. The BPA purist,
the guy who doesn't get paid to actually make these decisions,
but he puts out his opinion in publications. We'll say, well,
you know, whoever you think is best is who you
have to take, regardless of position. So you could say, well,
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port of Marton. According to Corey Primeman, it was the pick.
He's better than Hagens. Hagens is top ceiling as a
second line center. Then you get the guy, you know, chef.
We were talking to the Jet danalyst, Steve Corneanos, who
everybody loved until our last show, who said, Hagens is
a better player, and he meets a positional need and
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on top of that, then out of desperation, you take Marton.
That's a great pick. It will be a first line winger,
is a power forward, you know. But the then you, oh, wow,
we still need center. We're not really sure the cheko
is going to give us the offense. So we overdraft
and we we we you know, Jack Nesbitt, so it's
we don't know. It's gonna take four or five years.
(17:12):
And then a lot of these guys like quarter Amiico
that people like Bruce Witz and god, who's the fiddler
Fiddler Fiddler's kid for Blake Fiddler I think his name was,
and they like Tim Batner if they think quarter Amiko
is like six five two thirty already, this kid he
breaks his knee cap had a bad procedure. So and
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then you get Mertag, Von Sagi and Matthew Guard and
there's gonna be a couple of pros in there. In fact,
there might be three out of four are going to
be pros. And how many two of them might be
NHL players, So you add it all up. I think
the flyers overall that give you this like five minute analysis,
they're waiting for the final grade. Give me a drum beat,
and I'll say you so far. I think it's like
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a be You know, if you take the amalgamation of
the three years, it's probably gonna end up looking back
as it be. But the one of those goalies has
to hit and Porter Marton has to be a first line.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Player, and I think that you need to have Lichenko
needs to hit two.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
You've got at least a solid like one of the
best line players. I don't know if he's the second liner,
not sure.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Right, So now I got to watch Lichenko play with
the Fantoms because I'm so deeply involved in the prospects.
I was not very happy with the way the Flyers
drafted last year. I thought they could have done better.
Last year's draft wasn't quite as deep as this year's
drafts as far as I'm concerned. What I mean by
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deep is that there's a lot of players that are
in this past year's draft that are gonna be NHL starters,
and some of them are going to be All Stars. Okay,
And I have to agree with the whole fact of Okay,
what are you going to do? Are you gonna take
what you need or the best athlete available? Frankly, if
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I would have had my pick at six for from Philadelphia,
I probably would have gone either. I would have either
taken Haggins or O'Brien because of the need of the
Flyers that that center and and everything else like that. Yeah, go.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
All right. We had when we had Shane mcloyal on
our show, and and I kind of subscribe to this,
this theory in this league anymore, you know, there's look,
look how many number we had to argument how many
number one centers are there in the league? True number one?
Maybe nine? If you're could talk about you know, you know,
franchise centers maybe fourteen, all right, so that means there's
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you know, twenty plus teams that don't have a number
one center. Like Vegas didn't have a number one on center,
but they had like three two's and one three. So
the formula is you could still, I do believe, in
this day and age, get there without a number one center.
And if I look down the board, see I I know,
we we glossed over Rhanan, but I think he's I
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think he's gonna be one of the one of the
players that's surprised. You know, there there are some guys,
like I said, that's full of potential in there, but
I think I don't. I don't think there's at this point,
if you're telling me that you're gonna have Luchenko, Mitch Kauff,
and Marton on one line together and that you know,
(20:38):
I'm not upset about that. The hell of a line? Yeah?
Is it a number one line in the NHL? Quite possibly,
depending upon it might not be the best number one
line in the league, but it's you know, let's face it,
you know everybody wants that number one line to be
like the freaking Legion to do where they just dominate everybody.
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But you gotta understand that was that's so freaking rare.
How many number one teams, maybe like three or four
lines in the whole league that can dominate. There's only
about three or four of them if you really dig
in look at it. So there, I'd rather have, you know,
four number two line, number two seas or three number
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two season one, three or four seed. I don't care,
and and and be able to run four lines or
matchups don't matter so much anymore. Everybody can play, you know,
And I think that's what they're trying to do here
with this lineup, is because they know unless they sign
a free agent like McDavid next year or somebody else,
you know, the following year you're you're drafting, you're drafting
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a number one center is a couple of years away,
three four years away maybe. And now now if you
get it, and then factor in if you get better,
guess what, you're still not getting there because you're drafting
too high. I'd be too low.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, no, no, everything you guys are saying, yeah, go ahead, money.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, it's just one thing. When Vegas got there, that
was like that one year with the h with the
draft and the expansion draft that yeah, nobody, I mean
Seattle will testify to this. And they didn't have the
advantage that Vegas had a once in a lifetime thing.
And what is what is Vegas spent their time doing
since then getting the best they can get, spending a
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whole that money. They do have a number one center,
his name is Jack Eichael. Then they went out and
got the best scoring winger in Marner right, and they
had Petraangelo who was probably one of the top ten
defenseman the entire league. So I mean, yeah, the philosophy
that you were referring to that Shane was talking about, yeah,
it could work. But usually what Vegas is doing and
(22:44):
trying to get the best players, just like Dallas went
out and got ranting in that that usually is what
is what wins, and just like Florida did. So you know,
I think everything is geared towards next year, making that
big trader free agency or finding out a player has
a season of discontent in some you know, some other
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spot who we can't foresee and hoping the Flyers can
pounce on that with the cap space that really will
be available next year, because this year they're not going
to like they're not going to trade a guy away
like the way they did two years ago. Okay, like
they did with Walker and everything, They're not going to
do that this year. If the Flyers are contending, I
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think this year, okay, let's reward these guys. A couple
of years ago. They weren't ready for that, right right,
That's like that's the incremental improvement for this year. And
they're hoping Zegrets is part of that because real important.
He could be a shortcut to, you know, whatever they're
trying to do. But suffice to say that, yeah, it's
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better to have a couple of stars. It really seems
that you have to have a few, and that goaltending
is is going to be key.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
See now, that's that's where I was going to get to. Look,
I understand the I understand that, But as far as
what I've seen over the last few years and what's winning,
teams have a number one center, to have a number
one defenseman, and they have a top flight goalie. Okay, now,
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maybe not all teams have all that all at the
same time, but I would at least like to see
try to get to that point. I understand about having
enough guys to be to fill out the roster and
have multiple, you know, talented players. I think that at
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the end of the day, though, is they're just trying
to put the best team out there to try to
win as many games as they possibly can. Okay, and
without us actually being in the room with them, all
we're doing is speculating about what their philosophies are, what
they're doing. All we can go buy is what we see. Right,
(25:02):
So this is the draft picks that they picked. This
is the direction they're going. Okay, as far as I'm concerned,
I like the direction they're going with. They're drafting now
that they're getting larger players, players that are above six
feet In this year's draft, there was two rounds where
not a single player was drafted under six foot tall,
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two straight rounds in a row this past draft. Now,
you guys are talking about cap space and everything for
next year. Cool, but I would much rather see draft
capital for next year because I think next year you're
gonna see a good crop of players as well too.
And Chef is just like you're talking about, you gotta
build Redding, you gotta build Lehigh, you gotta build Philadelphia.
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You gotta build all those things. You got to restock
the cabinets, you know what I mean. And I think
that's exactly what they're doing. And I've been really impressed
with their direct maybe not necessarily who they're drafting, but
I'm gonna say until I see results, I'm gonna say
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c plus over the last three years. Okay, they got
really lucky on Mitch Cough. Okay, really did because he
was three years out or more right, and they got
really lucky on or was he or was he right?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Right? We won't hear that story for ten years, right,
what really happened after ten years? But I guarantee it'll
be a nice little beer beer in the back of
a bar story. I can guarantee that.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Guarantee you that there was definitely some fanaggling going on.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You know. It's like when they were saying about the
tampering thing. Everybody tampers, everybody does. I mean, come on,
it's so blatant.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Now it's like, really, why do you guys even why
do you guys even call that a violation because it's
so blatant. I don't get it. But okay, so now
you guys also mentioned a couple of things that the
Flyers have done to And I've been kind of really
impressed with this, with the trade of getting Trevor Ziegris
and then the re signing of Tyson Forrester, even though
unfortunately he's going to probably miss some time owing to
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the injury, and then the re signing of Cam York,
and then the signing of some of the other free
agents like of Ladder for the goaltending and Devorak added
in as well too. So what do you guys think
about the crop here now of this team moving forward,
of what we're going to see this coming year. And
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I'll say, I'll say, let's start with Isaiah.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, I think that they had to improve at center
and in goal. So that was a concentration. You know,
they went out and got Trevor Ziegris for Ryan Paling,
and you know there was some draft capital going in
both directions, and I'd say the Flyers did very well
to take a swing with a guy who may not
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really be a center in the long run. They're hoping
that his off the pup play is so called B
game can improve and his face off performance won't make
it necessary that they take the Vullak or Kates take
them out of the center position and put them on
the wing to take those face off So, I mean, look,
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they got them for a very good price for a
reason because his game fell off, he had injuries, but
he's done it. When you look at his game. The
first time I ever saw him, I said, this is
what we thought Morgan Frost could be. So he's like
a better version of that player because he's all day long, right,
So you have a very similar skill set, and you
think right away, well, on the power play, it's got
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to help, I mean anything to help their power play,
so that at the very least, even if he's a
one and done, and it's possible that that could be
the case, it should be much more exciting on the
power play. But you hope that he can play center.
He says he feels more comfortable there playing under Rick Tocket.
It'll be very interesting how much patience Tackett has with
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him off the pock and at the face off circle.
And we'll just have to see if he can hold
on to the center spot or he will be moved
out to the wing and then all of a sudden,
there's a little bit of a shortage at that position.
In goal. There were a lot of people lamenting that
Arthur's She Loves was picked up by Pittsburgh yesterday, and
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because he's a twenty four year old kid, we played
for Vancouver. And then I thought to myself, wait a minute,
if anybody knows she Loves, it would be Rick Tockett,
and he would have been in the year at Danny
Briere as a better choice than Dan Vladar, who has
They all have question marks. She Loves is not really established.
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He's a younger guy, but he has supposedly, you know,
some promise, and Vancouver set with what they have, and
so I think with Urson and Flador if we can,
everybody's saying the same thing, but I feel the same way.
So you know, they have to get the league average
in goal. I think it's the the erratic nature of
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the volatility and goal last year was so below the
professional standard at times. With Fadotov and Kolosofi, the whole
situation is very strange. I don't know if he's really
even going to be any organization anymore. Speaking with Kolosoft
and Fidotov won't be happy he's sharing the net in
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Lehigh Valley with be honest, and I would imagine, so
we'll have to see how that plays out. But in
terms of the Flyers goaltending, I think they will need
a third goalie. Flodor has never played more than thirty
games the NHL, right, so he's had some injury problems.
Guys like that all of a sudden at age twenty seven,
just oh well, now I can handle forty five games
if me and Ersa has not been a durable player,
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So we will probably see about ten to fifteen games
with somebody else is a net. But you know, we'll
see how it works out with these guys. It should
be better. They should be better at center, and I
you know, I'd be neglectful if I didn't mention Christian
Devorek was a professional center, so he may play on
a fourth line at times. I would not be surprised
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by the season's end that he is a rock solid
getting the third most amount of minutes and not the
second most amount of minutes. A lot of it depends
on whether they rush. Lichenko int into it, right, and
I think Tackett would be less likely to rush a
player which I feel better about. Was last year Lecheko
was mishandled and it didn't do well for him. You know.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
So, okay, and and Chef, what do you think about
us moving forward here with this team and all the
moves that they made and everything.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And well, I'll say this because I said it to
Belis Show and I have. I've been saying what this
team was from last couple of years. I told that,
you know, when they would we're in that last player spot.
It was there as to lose. A couple of years ago,
I said they're not gonna make the playoffs, and I
just just knew that they couldn't sustain that pace they
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were at. Now you've got a different team. This is
a different team. It was a team that thinks it
can win. This is a team that believes it will win.
You go, you go in there. You know they were
going in there going out. We we we're gonna lose
this one, boys. And and now I think the whole
attitude turn around. I think we're gonna be We're gonna
win this one, boys. And I think that's what the
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most important thing is about this. So if I had
to say anything, I would say this. I say that
right you know, this team will be in the mix
at the trade, at the trade deadline for a playoff spot,
I think Danny will take the swing, and then I
think that they just miss it. But he takes the swing.
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I think that's the most important thing because if this
team is anywhere good round the playoffs, you know, but
de trade deadline for the playoffs, if they're sniffing around there,
you have to believe in your team created it, and
I think you have to reward them. It's not one
of those years where you say we're gonna stand fast.
(33:15):
I think that's where they're gonna be. I think if
there's a chance, because look, I want them to make
the playoffs. Yeah, hockey wants them to make the playoffs.
NHL teams to around this country. This game is so
much better when people are gonna hate me for this,
when the Flyers, the Devils, the Rangers, the Islanders, the Bruins,
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when they all make the playoffs. This this product is
better to the league, does a lot better as a whole.
We're carrying. You know, we have a responsibility to put
out one of the best teams out there, and I
think that's what they I think that's what it'll do. Man.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I like that attitude I definitely like that attitude. I
like what what's been going on. I liked that they're
sticking to the plan. Some things I probably would have
done a little differently. I probably would have handled some
things a little different. But for the most part, I'm
liking what I'm seeing. I'm feeling that we're gonna get
(34:15):
at least a semblance of trying to get to that
promised land. Do you know what I mean? Like it
seems so unreachable the last few years, where this year
we're actually kind of pondering the sniff of it, you
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know what I mean, Like that the wafting odor of
playoffs is just barely nipping the surface for us, do
you know what I'm saying, Like it's almost to where
we can taste it. Okay, And I think that I
looked at this whole year, this whole off season, with
the hiring of the new coach, which hey man, they
(35:02):
wanted Rick tocket Okay, you bring in Rick Tockett. I
just hope that he's able to adapt his system of
play to the players he has on the team, instead
of trying to force the team into a system that
doesn't have the players. To accomplish that system.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
You know what I'm saying, Well, he's addressed that. You know,
he actually has spoken to that. He's going to look
at his players and design the system around that.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Right. So as long as he does that, okay, then
I'm okay with that because I think he's going to
do exactly with what Tortorella did in a different way.
He's going to be able to get the most out
of these guys, but in a different way, in a
different culture, in a different message. Okay, and I I
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have a little bit of things with coaches that used
to be players because they can relate to players a
little easier because they've been on the other side of that.
They've had the coach dress them down. They've had the
coach come to them and say, hey, I need you
to be the leader. They've had the coach come to
them and say, hey, I need you to step up,
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or hey, you're doing really good or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Whatever. So okay, remember remember Stele, what you know. You
go back and you look in your high school years
or your college years, and you speak to your teachers,
and the ones that made the most mark, left the
most better impression on you, the ones that were the
best teachers were those C grade students. It's average students
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because they knew. I mean, like it's great. You know,
how did you know? Greatski did end up being a
head coach for a little bit, But how well did
he do? I mean, I don't know. So you know,
there is a saying out there, those that can do
those that can't teach right. And sometimes you need a
perspective of somebody who failed at what they've done to
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get there because they know what it takes to get there.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Now, you know, that's a great analogy. That's a great
analogy because you do have to do that. You do
have to fail sometimes in order to get better at something,
you know what I mean. So I'm liking that. I'm
liking the direction. Like I said, a couple of things
I would have done differently. If they make the playoffs
this year, I think that's going to accomplish the watershed
year that I think that I've been kind of looking
(37:24):
for for this year. I wanted him to hire the
coach before the draft. They accomplished that. They didn't just
hire a coach, They hired Rick Talking. Okay, as far
as I'm concerned, he was the best coach available at
the time to come in here and coach this team.
They hired him before the draft. They hired all the
most of all his staff before the draft. Okay, that
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was part of the watershed. They needed to pick a
guy in this year's draft that was going to be
that guy, the Porter Martones, the James Haggens, the Matthew
Schaeffer is the pick somebody. I don't care Kayshawn Agentsen,
it wouldn't matter. Okay. They needed to pick a guy
(38:08):
this year that has to be that star attraction that
will bring people in to put butts in the seats. Okay,
and so I think that they're accomplishing that. So we
need to work on the goaltending because that's sore. And
we need to work on power play because that is
beyond sore. If you get the power play to the
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mid level twenty percent between fifteen and twenty percent at
success rate on the power play, and if you have
the goaltending, like Isaiah said, where it's better than the
bottom of the barrel average. Okay, if you just have
average goaltending, right.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Make the saves, yeah, make the saves that you need
to make, so you you got your defense plays average,
your goaltender's play average, your hockey, your your your power
play is twenty percent. We're not king for the world. Yeah,
you know, all the you score a little more goals,
you know, twenty five thirty more goals as a team
(39:11):
this year. How many? How how how all these things
translate into points? It could. It would surprise a lot
of people. So I think the chance is there. I
think if they you know, if they make their moves
right and they place himself in the position that they
Danie'll have to bite. Yeah you can't.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I agree. I agree.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
But by the way, just for the O c D
listeners in the audience, Jared Spurgeon was the defenseman I
was trying to think of.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I was talking about fantasy hockey. I liked this name
for somebody.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah that that's why they probably felt more comfortable Sturgeon
for them.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, thank these who are crack research staff Isaiah for
doing that.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, I hate when I forget a name. And I know,
justify why I said what I said about ze boy.
But anyway, yeah, I'm just a little bit less sanguine.
I don't think they're going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I don't need that it's a goaltending. It always to me,
you know, at the end of the day, if you
can get a save when you need to save, and
I just don't see anything ersn it's always it's a tease.
It's a tease. But if he's the man, I don't
think as as much as they trumpet his ability to
handle things mentally, I don't see the results that match.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
That, right, So.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Results driven, Yeah, I just don't see that. And I
think that's going to be a problem. That's one of
the reasons we're probably going to see another goaltender, whether
it's in house or through injury. They're going to have
to make a trade or something like that. Okay, guys
are twenty seven, never played more than thirty games. I mean,
anything's possible. But you know, I'm trying to keep it real.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You know, I'm with you. I'm with you on keeping
it real. Well, speaking of keeping it real, folks, we
had an amazing, amazing show here to put out here
for you folks. We had the O and B Puck
guys come in for a visit and just sit around
and jaw about flyers hockey and and I can't say
enough about the respect that I have for the O
(41:15):
and B Puck Cast. Show you Isaiah, Yu, Chef and
and Dan, all the great guests that you guys have,
all the great information you guys have, and all this
great stuff you guys put out there. You guys are
one of the top ten Philadelphia Flyers podcast along with
Hockey Writers inc. Right, we're ranked number ten, and I
think you guys are like fourth or third or something
(41:38):
like that. Right, I forget which which where you guys
are at checkout? Right?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Anymore? I think I'll float away with all this fluffer again.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
You know, what can I say? What can I say?
Hit these guys up on all the social media's be
sure to check them out. We'll have all the links
and everything in the description. So Isaiah, why don't you
tell the folks where we can find you, where we
can get you, sir.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Sure you can follow us on social media on X
at omb Puck, at Omb Puck, also on Blue Sky.
We're not as busy there, also on the Getter for
a certain group of listeners at OMB Podcast at O
and B Podcast, we're most active on X it's kind
of like our home base. And also we're on Facebook
and YouTube. Just plugging their O and B podcast and
(42:29):
we'll pop up and we're a whole bunch of podcast platforms.
We just started streaming to x Facebook and hopefully by
the end of the month we'll stream directly live on
YouTube and this time we'll give people heads up about
it so they can ask questions and be more interactive.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
So awesome, man, can't wait to check that out. Chef.
Where we can we find you and where can we
get all your great stuff?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Well, I'm lurking around on XTAM the Creeper Chef, and
I just throw a little tipbit bobbs once and ever while, like, yeah,
the Flyers are gonna make the playoffs this year, and
it's kind of like stirring up all the cats, you know,
like crazy. So but hey, the good thing about it
(43:12):
is the problem is I think I believe it this year.
But I also if you want to argue with me
about it, that's fine. I'm fine with that. I don't
block anybody. Say what you want, say your piece, I'm fine,
And you can argue with me at Chef to left B,
on x Chef to lex B.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
There you go, and you can follow these guys here
on all the platforms be sure to check them out.
By the way, if you like what we do, please
hit the like and subscribe. Also, i'd like to say
big thank you to Lowercase Blues. Check those guys out, man.
They made the great intro music for us. So you
have to go to Lowercase Blues dot Net. Check them out.
They got swag, they got all their tour dates on there,
(43:53):
they got their new albums out. Be sure to check
out Lowercase Blues dot Net. They Jacob the Boys do
a great job.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Man.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
They'll have a great show for you. Be sure to
check them out for sure, for sure this summer. Thank
you all for joining us. This has been the Hockey
Writers Inc. For Special show number one ninety nine. How
about that episode number one ninety nine Hockey Writers Inc.
Welcome is the O and B Popcast. Guys, Thank you
all very much for joining us. We'll catch you all
on the next one.
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