Birthright Citizenship & The 14th Amendment

In today’s episode, we are going to discuss Birthright Citizenship and how it is affected by the 14th Amendment.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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(00:36):
Production Studio B. Welcome to the Ho Hope Show and
as always I'm your host, Ho Ho. So, hey, y'all's
doing I hope you're doing good. I really do, because
today we're going to have a little bit of a conversation. Now,
this conversation stems from a discussion I had with the
buddy of mine and he is a Democrat, but he,

(00:58):
you know, does support a lot of what Trump does.
But the biggest thing that he has against President Trump
in the policies that he has enacted is in him
trying to end birthright citizenship. And we had a discussion
about it. We were talking back and forth, and you know,

(01:19):
his viewpoint was that the fourteenth Amendment allows birthright citizenship openly, completely,
without question, and of which case I was like, no,
not necessarily. Now, I couldn't remember the text, the verbiage

(01:40):
of the fourteenth Amendment, and unfortunately I did not have
my pocket constitution with me in order to illustrate the point.
But let's just put it like this. He wasn't entirely wrong,
and neither was I. I mean, I wasn't entirely right
at all, you know. I mean, I wasn't very far off,

(02:04):
and my main point of contention was basically accurate. But
I wasn't necessarily able to, you know, put it in
the words, because I didn't have my pocket constitution with me.
So let me go ahead and read. I got to
get it out here, which I don't know why I
didn't have it out before. But let me go ahead

(02:25):
and read for you the fourteenth Amendment. I'm not going
to read the whole thing, all right, it's unnecessary not
going to read the whole thing. And it's this basic
first part that is actually important to the argument of
birthright citizenship. Actually, before I read it, let me go

(02:47):
ahead and give a little caveat here, because what the
fourteenth Amendment was intended to do, and don't get me wrong,
it did more besides, but what it was intended to
do was to ensure that slaves were given full citizenship

(03:07):
without question. Okay, and we'll get into some of the
argument about that and why the verbiage is important, and
why that doesn't just mean that anybody that's born here
automatically is a naturalized citizen, because there is caveats to this.

(03:27):
Even as per the fourteenth Amendment and as per some
of the arguments about those that were debating it in Congress,
it wasn't just an end all be all that was
supposed to apply to everybody that gives birth on us soil.
So let me go ahead and get into the fourteenth
Amendment what it actually says. And I want you to

(03:50):
pay attention. I want you to hear the verbiage and
understand that the verbiage is important, because if it wasn't,
if it didn't have meaning, then they wouldn't have put
it in there. Right. So here we go, fourteenth Amendment.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and

(04:14):
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
States and of the state wherein they reside. And it
continues another sentence in here, the no State shall make
or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges of
all kinds of other stuff. But I've already read to

(04:34):
you the most important part, all persons born or naturalized
in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
are citizens in the United States and of the state
wherein they reside. Did you catch that? Did you catch
that important caveat and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Now,

(05:01):
my argument was, not everybody born here is automatically a
naturalized citizen. His argument was, that's not what the fourteenth
Amendment says. Unfortunately, well, I'm right, but not to the
extent that I thought I was right. And unfortunately, no,

(05:25):
just because you're born here, that doesn't mean that you're
automatically a citizen of the United States of America. And
let me go ahead and read to you some of
the some nuances here. Okay. Now, first and foremost, what
the fourteenth Amendment was talking about. Whenever it said and
you know, under the jurisdiction or subject to the jurisdiction thereof,

(05:49):
they were talking about people who had talking about people
that had what's that word I'm looking for? They had
a man. My mind just went My mind just completely

(06:11):
went went blank. That they didn't have. Okay, let me
read I apologize that the word just completely flew right
out of my head, to do, to do, to do?
Did I'm reading? Sorry, I got, I got a whole

(06:32):
thing pulled up all kinds of stuff that I was doing,
some research and texts that I filled out. They didn't
want somebody that was under the jurisdiction of another country
to be an American citizen. They didn't want somebody that was, oh,
let's say, you know, oh, there we go allegiance. They
didn't want somebody that had an allegiance to another country

(06:56):
to also just automatically be given citizenship here in the
United States. Now, I mean, let's look at this logically, right,
if you were a slave, you didn't have allegiance to
another country, you know, the people, you know, you were
brought in under the slave trade. You didn't necessarily have

(07:22):
citizenship in another country, and therefore, no, you know, you
had no allegiance to another foreign country. So it was
to eliminate allegiance. And let's also look at this though, too.
In order to become president of the United States of America,
you can't have dual citizenship because there can't be another

(07:43):
nation that you hold allegiance to. So being a naturalized
citizen actually means something here. It very much does there's
a caveat in there. It holds special meaning. I mean,
you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, regardless of how you feel about
the individual, he is a naturalized citizen. But he was

(08:06):
a foreign born citizen. So being a naturalized citizen means something.
And you can't have allegiance to another country as in
dual citizenship. That's important. So let me go ahead and
get into the arguments that was raised in the time
about birthright citizenship. I gotta do a little bit of scrolling.

(08:31):
Here we go, all right. So initially it was Senator
Jacob Howard from Michigan that was the sponsor of the
citizenship clause in the fourteenth Amendment. He introduced a clause
on May thirtieth of eighteen sixty six, and of which
case the fourteenth Amendment was ratified. Let me go ahead

(08:54):
and flip to that right quick. It was ratified July
ninth of eighteen sixty eight. Eighteen sixty eight. Holy crap,
there we go. So Howard introduced a clause and he said,
and I quote, this will not, of course include persons
born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens who

(09:20):
belonged to the family of ambassadors, or foreign ministers accredited
to the government of the United States, but will include
every other class of person. Howard's point was that not
every birth on US soil counts. Children of diplomats, foreign invaders,

(09:45):
or those owing allegiance elsewhere were excluded, but the clause
was meant to cover freed slave immigrants and almost everyone else.
That's what it was intended to cover. Notice. Notice the

(10:07):
foreign invaders were not automatically given citizenship. They're invaders, you know,
kind of like illegal aliens nowadays, you know, they are
foreign they are foreign occupiers, foreign invaders, occupiers illegal now,

(10:32):
Senator you see Lynman Trumbull of Illinois, Chairman of the
Judiciary Committee. During the same debate, trumble clarified what subject
to the jurisdiction meant? What do we mean by complete
jurisdiction thereof not owing allegiance to anyone else? Is that

(10:52):
what it means? You see, he stressed allegiance, not just location.
If a person or their parents owed allegiance to another sovereign,
another nation, then they weren't fully under US jurisdiction, you know,
like foreign diplomats for instance, And of which case, Senator

(11:14):
Edgar Cohen of Pennsylvania. He was an opponent to an
opponent to the clause. He objected, warning that it could
extend citizenship too broadly, and of which case that is
one of the things that I feel as well, that
having that generic terminology could be way too broad to just,

(11:36):
you know, unintentionally necessarily, that it would allow citizenship to
far too many people, way more than what we actually
intended it to be. And of which case he said,
is the child of the Chinese immigrant in California a citizen,
is the child of a Gypsy born in Pennsylvania a citizen. See.

(11:59):
Cohen was high style to extending citizenship to immigrant children,
but his objection shows that Congress knew that this clause
would apply broadly to almost all immigrants, except for the
few classes explicitly excluded, and and of which case Senator

(12:19):
Riverdi Johnson of Maryland he responded by saying that the
children of aliens born in the United States are citizens.
Now here's the thing I want you to know. They
were specifically referring to legal aliens, legal immigrants, not foreign invaders,

(12:42):
not foreign occupiers, legal immigrants. That's what he was talking about.
So subject to the jurisdiction thereof wasn't just a filler language.
It meant to a exclude the children of foreign diplomats

(13:04):
and their families from you know, becoming US citizens just
because they gave birth here in the United States. It
was to exclude hostile forces, occupying forces, some native tribes

(13:25):
that were treated as sovereign citizens of their own nation.
But it still includes immigrant families even if their parents
weren't citizens. But that's actual legal immigrants, not foreign occupiers,

(13:45):
actual legal immigrants. So I mean, if you are a
visa holder, you decided to come here to go to
school or on a work visa, what have you, and
if they give birth to a child, then that child
is considered a US citizen. Now the difference is well, no,

(14:08):
I'll get into that here in a second. Yeah, So
that's basically what it was talking about. Okay, Now, when
it comes to having allegiance to another country, this is
really what it boils down to again. Like I said,
in order to become president of the United States of America,
you can't have dual citizenship because you can't have an
allegiance to another country. That's what citizenship is, right, you

(14:31):
have an allegiance to another country. I mean, here you
pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.
It's an allegiance to another country. You can't have that.
So there are many countries out there. Okay, So when
it comes to citizenship, giving birth to a child abroad

(14:53):
or just really just birthright citizenship of any country, there's
two different two different methodologies that are used in determining
whether a child born is a citizen of whatever country
the two and okay, I'm going to mispronounce the spiffy
di iffy name, but there is a technical term for it.

(15:15):
It is called. One of them is called Jews senguis
sing genus whatever. That means citizenship by the descent from parents,
in other words, blood. The other one is juice, solely
meaning soil, the territory of right so as far as

(15:41):
blood relation, most of Europe, Germany, Italy, France, Greece, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Japan, China,
South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Ethiopia, Egypt, Russia, Turkey, India,

(16:02):
and really in some cases the UK because they apply
soil as in, somebody born on the territory of UK
if one parent is a citizen or settled resident. France
kind of has a mixed way of doing it. It

(16:24):
is by blood by default, you know, citizenship by blood
by default, but territory kicks in if a child or
foreigner is born in France and resides there as a teen,
So I mean there's an age portion in this as well.
Australia in New Zealand is territory if at least one

(16:48):
parent is a citizen or permanent resident in other words,
legal resident. Germany, who you know, they kind of reformed theirs.
It is blood by the fault. But since the year
two thousand, a child born in Germany can't acquire citizenship
if at least one parent has lived there legally for

(17:10):
eight plus years and the only one the only ones
according to this that is a territory based citizenship. It
says the United States, even though we've already gone through this,
that you don't just have citizenship based off of where
you are being born. If certain things you know aren't applied,

(17:35):
it's not applicable in all cases. It is way broader
than what I would like, but that's not what the
fourteenth Amendment says. The other country this mentioned is Canada.
Most of Latin America goes based off of territory, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Colombia,

(17:56):
the Caribbean states of Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad, and Loboga. Some
of those those are strictly based off of territory. Well,
I can't really say strictly based off of territory because
the United States is in that list, and of which
case we're not strictly based off of territory. There's extenuating circumstances.

(18:28):
So the bottom line is this, The Fourteenth Amendment does
not grant full naturalized citizenship to somebody just because they
are born within the territory of the United States of America.
You cannot have allegiance to another country as in your parents,

(18:49):
you know, specifically your mom. You can't have allegiance to
another country. If you are a foreign occupier as in
not a legal citizen, then you your child born here
does not automatically get citizenship. You have to apply for it.

(19:09):
That's what it says. That's what the fourteenth Amendment's all about.
It doesn't just blanketly guarantee anybody born within the territory citizenship.
If you have allegiance to another country, especially if you
are you know, from most European countries, if you are

(19:32):
from East Asia, Japan, China, South Korea, if you are
born if your parents are from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon,
because these countries, automatically, regardless of where you are born,
because you have a citizen, you know, because they are
a citizen of that country. Therefore their children are also
citizens of that country. That means you would have dual citizenship,

(19:55):
you would have allegiance to another country. So therefore you
you are not just automatically granted citizenship in the United
States of America just because your mother gives birth to you. Here.
There are caveats, caveats caveats, there are those now granted.

(20:17):
Like I said, the fourteenth Amendment is way more broad
for me for my liking. Okay, because the fourteenth Amendment
grants citizenship to any child born of a parent that
is here legally. If you are a foreign occupier, that
means that you are not here legally and citizenship doesn't apply.

(20:45):
If you are a foreign dictator or a member of
that family and you give birth here, that child is
not considered a naturalized citizen. They're not considered an American citizen.
It is what it is. I mean, like I said,
that for me, is way too broad, because I would

(21:06):
love it to be that if you are not a
citizen of the United States of America, then your children
should not be automatically considered to be a naturalized citizen
at birth. That's the way I would like it to be.
Just throwing out in there. I mean, I'm totally against that.

(21:27):
I think it is way too broad. And you know,
as far as I'm concerned, and this is one of
the points that was being argued by oh who was it.
It was being argued by basically Senator Edgar Cohen of Pennsylvania,
and was really something that was kind of echoed by

(21:51):
Lyman Trumbull, you know, because they understood that by not
restricting the language any more than what they did, that
it would be abused. And that's really something that we
are seeing today because you know, yes, this was done
like in eighteen sixty eight, that's whenever the fourteenth Amendment

(22:13):
was ratified, and I think it was in eighteen seventy.
Was the first challenge to it, you know, the first
Supreme Court case that was brought up. I'm not completely
sure on that. Don't quote me, but I think it
was pretty early on. I don't remember exactly what that
ruling said. I really don't, but I mean at the

(22:36):
Supreme Court ruled it in, you know, ruled it one
way at one point in time, there's no reason why
it couldn't be overturned and re ruled again. I mean
that actually has happened already. Roe verse eight. It was
redecided in another case to go someplace, you know, to
go into a different direction. So it's not beyond the

(22:56):
scope of possibilities that if this actually does make it
to the Supreme Court, which I hope it does, I
really do. I hope it does because we need a
decision on this because here's one of the things that
as a taxpayer, as a US citizen, this is one
of the things that actually infuriates me because you have had,

(23:21):
especially during the Biden presidency, a huge influx of illegal aliens,
a huge influx, to the point that we don't even
know how many illegal aliens actually cross the border. We
have an idea of some I mean, we can look

(23:42):
at some of the numbers about it. Oh holy crap.
All right, So there is something obviously that I forgot
to do. So we are going to go ahead and
take a quick break. Let me grab my shortest song
and just a couple of minutes and I will be
right back.

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Speaker 4 (24:38):
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Speaker 2 (24:39):
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a ring each shot of disaster and.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Is driving me insane.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
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nine just spins and shakes its head.

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My buddy's grinning while it's sweating chalk. It feels like
I'm stuck in a cruel trick shot talk.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
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Speaker 4 (25:17):
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It's all true.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
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of this after.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
And is driving me insane.

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this misery in me. My swagger's gone, my raffles got
it all. I just can't get a single ball to fall,

(26:12):
no balls.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
In the pocket.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
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bring black thunderbucket scatter like Raine he shut a disaster,
and it's driving me insane.

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(26:57):
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toilet paper is sold, all right, and we are back.
I apologize about that. The air conditioner kicked on, and

(27:18):
let me tell you what that sucker is. Loud as hell.
It's almost like a jet turbine going off in the house.
I mean, it really is. It is loud, and it
is right on the other side of that wall is
where the furnace is. It's it's loud, and normally I'm
really good about turning it off. This time, however, well
I forgot. I apologize my bad. But anyway, let me

(27:39):
go ahead and get back into the discussion. So one
of the things that people were afraid of in the
day and was very much a fear of mind. I mean,
you look at how many illegals have crossed the border,
especially under the Biden administration, and these people are coming
over here to take advantage of, well, let's just say

(28:03):
our hospitality. They're taking advantage of our welfare system, taking
advantage of all kinds of stuff, right pay, opportunity, education, healthcare.
I mean, you know, they're housing. I mean, they're taking
advantage of all kinds of stuff. They really are. And

(28:24):
like I said, even the Fourteenth Amendment says that foreign
occupiers I e. Illegal aliens are not automatically granted or
at least their children are not automatically granted birthright citizenship
just because they are born here on American soil, within
our territory. That's not automatically granted. But they were afraid

(28:49):
that people would come over here just to take advantage
of our welfare system. Now. I mean, here's the thing though, too.
Back then, back in the day, you didn't have the
problem of open borders like we do now. You didn't
have so many people trying to come over here through
work visas and everything else. Even legal immigration wasn't that bad.

(29:14):
And they wanted or at least what was guaranteed to
them through the first fourteenth Amendment. And this was explicit
that legal aliens legal residents. If you give birth to
a child here in the United States, then that child
is classified as American citizens not. The only caveat that

(29:38):
I'd throw into there, like I had said before, is
whenever you are talking about somebody who gives birth here
from one of those nations that look at blood citizenship
rather than territory citizenship like the ones I mentioned before,
you know, let me find that table in here. There

(30:02):
we go, like Germany, Italy, France, Greece, poland all those
others that I mentioned, because specifically, those children are already
considered to be citizens of those nations, meaning they have
an allegiance to another country, not sole allegiance to the

(30:23):
United States. Regardless of whether they are legal residents, legal yeah,
legal residents, legal aliens, or at least, you know, legal residents.
They're still citizens of a foreign nation. They have allegiance
to a foreign nation. Now, if they have immigrated over here,

(30:46):
you know, if their parents are going through the immigration process,
then that's one thing. Okay, great, your parents became a
citizen of the United States of America. Great, good for them, right,
that's what we want. But if they're here on a
student visa or work visa, whatever, that they are not
legal citizens, just legal residents. I wish that it was

(31:11):
a or at least it should be. And as per
the language of the Fourteenth Amendment, subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
they're not automatically considered classified as American citizens because they
have allegiance to another country, because their parents are still
citizens of China, Germany, Italy, France. Therefore, they have an

(31:33):
allegiance to another nation. As per the language of the
fourteenth Amendment, they are not automatically granted citizenship here just
because they were born here in this territory. I mean,
I know that it may seem kind of difficult to understand.
Maybe I don't really think that it is, though, I mean,

(31:57):
it really isn't. It's pretty simple. The fourteenth Amendment, you know,
one first and foremost was talking about slaves because somebody
that was, you know, brought here from the slave trade.
They do not hold allegiance to another country. They were

(32:20):
here for some time or at least their ancestry is
rooted here, regardless of them being slaves or not. Therefore,
that's what the fourteenth Amendment was specifically claiming. Because before
slaves weren't considered citizens, they were considered property, not people.
So I mean, you're talking a different dynamic altogether.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
I know some people may argue that, you know, well,
the children that didn't have a choice whether or not
they came here or not, you know, the children of
illegals that just decided to cross the border and take
advantage of America what we have to offer over here. Okay,
I understand your argument, but at which case the parents

(33:07):
chose to come here, and those of the slave trade
did not choose to come here. They were forced to
come here. So you're talking a different dynamic altogether. You know,
regardless of what your claim may be, the end result
is different. The parents made that decision, regardless of whether

(33:28):
the child did or not. And you can't say you
can't claim the same circumstance situation whenever it came to
the children of slaves, the parents didn't have a choice
to come over here, different dynamic. I can understand the
argument to an extent, you know. But even still, though,

(33:51):
and here's one of the things that I know several
on the you know, a an argument that several on
the right has made, and that is, you know, okay,
so if you want to consider them citizens of the
United States of America, then okay, fine, but that doesn't
necessarily mean automatically that an illegal alien, somebody who bypassed

(34:17):
our immigration system and chose to be a foreign occupier,
even though you know, the Fourteenth Amendment does say that
a foreign occupier if they give birth to a child
here in America, that child is not necessarily considered a
citizen of the United States of America. That is in there.
That's what's subject to the jurisdiction thereof means is not

(34:39):
just automatic just because you're born here in the territory.
There's caveats. But even if they are granted full citizenship
by the Supreme Court, if this does actually end up
going that far, which like I said, I think it
will and I hope it does, because because this is

(35:00):
something that needs to be decided, it needs to be
squashed in the bud It needs to be really looked
at and analyzed. But that doesn't mean that you can't
deport the parents. I mean, it's like, okay, we're not
about separating families. Go to your mother's home country where

(35:23):
they are a citizen of go there, and when you
reach adulthood, when you reach that age where you can
make that decision to come here, then there you go. Okay, fine,
come back once you reach the age of eighteen and
you are a legal adult, then come back perfectly fine.

(35:52):
But that doesn't necessarily mean that just because you are
an American citizen, your parents are not that they should
be able to be allowed to stay here. There's nothing
in the fourteenth Amendment, nothing in the Constitution that says
that you know, that you have that ability. In fact,
quite the opposite is true. If you're here illegally, and

(36:14):
if you are caught, then you're sent back home. You
did break the law. By definition, that makes you a criminal,
regardless of what your circumstances are, regardless of what your
reasoning is for bypassing our laws, bypassing the port of entry,

(36:36):
and just crossing the border all willy nilly, regardless of
any of it, that doesn't change the fact that you
are an illegal alien. I mean, look, it's not that
I don't have a heart, and it's not that I
don't at least feel for some of these people. But
I mean, the simple truth is this. We are a

(37:00):
nation of laws. We are a sovereign nation, and as such,
we are a nation with a border. I mean, all
these other countries out there, even Mexico protects its own border.
I mean, Mexico's immigration laws are way stricter than ours.

(37:24):
Your ability to own land in a lot of these
different countries is very much tied to your citizenship. Not
just your citizenship, but how long you've been a citizen.
And there are quite a few countries out there that
they will not let you go into that country. And

(37:46):
become a citizen, unless you bring something to the table,
unless you have a skill, are able to open a job,
and not be a drain on the government, not to
be a drain on the taxpayers, because these nations understand
first and foremost that their first duty, their first priority,

(38:10):
is to take care of the citizens of that country,
not foreign people that come in, not people who are
just looking for a better life. It doesn't work like that.
I mean, it's amazing how a lot of the countries
that want to demonize America for deporting people who violate

(38:32):
our immigration laws, how they have the nerve to tell
us that we're bad people. It's like, dude, why don't
you look at your own laws? You know, Mexico specifically,
why don't you look at your own laws? I mean,
how much I mean, would you actually tolerate this kind
of behavior. No, they facilitate people traveling from the southern

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border of Mexico to the northern border and get up
in here. I mean, they facilitate that kind of crap.
But if you're going to stop there in Mexico, they're like,
oh no, no, no, no, no, we don't want you here.
And if you do stay, you got to provide a service.
You can't own land, you can't own a business. We
have restrictions on that, and we protect Mexican citizens to

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be able to do that. They don't just allow anybody else,
I mean their laws. The left would have a heyday
if we actually enforced immigration laws in the same way
that Mexico has immigration laws. They would throw a fit

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if we operated in the same way whenever it comes
to land ownership, business ownership, all that other kind of
good stuff. And a lot of other countries are the
same way, Not just Mexico, but a lot of countries
are the same way. China's the same way, Japan's the
same way. Being born here is important, yes, but if

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your parents have allegiance to another country than your citizenship,
just because you are born within the United States of America,
you are not automatically granted citizenship. You have to be
subject to the jurisdiction here in order for that citizenship

(40:38):
to apply. That's what the amendment says. It is applied
way too broadly, way more broadly than what I would like.
I wish it was way more narrow I wish that
it didn't apply to legal residents. But it does nothing

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I can do to change that one. But the Constitution, however,
is clear foreign occupiers, as in people who cross the
border illegally, they are their children are not automatically granted citizenship.

(41:27):
Anchor babies are not a thing. So for Trump wanting
to end birthright citizenship, that is very much within the
scope of what the people who wrote the fourteenth Amendment
had in mind. And it really does coincide with what
our founding fathers would have wanted to because I mean,

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you look at you know, immigration in general. You know,
our founding fathers they had an idea that wasn't just
to let every every come over here that wanted to
and become a citizen and be able to benefit from
the American dream. They didn't want just anybody to do that.
They wanted it to be a I mean, not necessarily

(42:13):
a lottery, but they wanted it to benefit America like
any other nation out there that does it. Their immigration
system is based off of how are you going to
better this country? Not just better your own circumstance. What
are you going to bring to the table. This is
a negotiation here, That's what our founding fathers believe. They

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didn't want just open immigration to allow anybody the Cross
that wanted to and then automatically given citizenship. That's not
what they had in mind, not at all, not necessarily
a lottery system, but they wanted there to be at
least some type of a selection process, an application to
fill out, if you will. That's what they intended. So

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I mean, even if you go, you know, regardless of
the fourteenth Amendment, which is important, don't get me wrong,
but it's deeper than that. Even if you look into
what our founding fathers believed, what they taught, it wasn't
just open immigration, open to anybody that just so happened
across the border. They wanted there to be laws formed,

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and they were kind of I mean, I don't want
to say strict about it, but they were open about
that desire. The fourteenth Amendment was too broad, But there
you go. A discussion I had with the buddy mine.
We were both wrong and we were both right. So
there you go. Let me know what you think down

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than just a yes or no thing, isn't it? The
why is always important? And back up what you think

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