July 28, 2025 • 42 mins
Since I forgot to talk about it on the last episode, let’s do it today! Will Maxwell get a conditional pardon for her testimony?
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Studio B. Welcome to the Ho Host Show and as
always I'm your host, Ho Ho. So, hey, y'all was
(00:42):
doing I hope you're doing good? I really do so.
Yesterday's show I enjoyed it. It was a good show.
I liked it. But there was something that I forgot
to talk about that I do believe is well, Okay,
it may not be on the mind of a lot
of people. In fact, I think most people really aren't
paying all that much attention. But for those who are,
(01:06):
this seems, you know, I mean, it's kind of important.
And that's because of how things were laid out. That's
because how things were talked about. And then you know,
we're basically being treated as though there's something wrong with
us because we can do basic math and things just
don't seem to be adding up. And I'm talking about Epstein,
(01:31):
the Epstein Files, I'm talking about the list, I'm talking
about the black book. I'm talking about all the evidence
that was pulled out of Epstein's residence on his island.
I'm talking about the flight logs of his plane. I'm
(01:52):
talking about his suicide. I'm talking about his arrest, what
he was charged with, and what they claimed of the
evidence that they found. Because none of this stuff makes
any sense. None of this stuff adds up whatsoever. And
before we were told that, oh, you know, yeah there's
(02:15):
something here, there's the you know a lot of people
that are involved in this, and we're going to get
to the bottom of it. We're going to release the
Epstein list, and there you go, and it's like, okay, great,
you know those that were interested in this, those that
you know, seen and knew that something was going on,
We're like, yeah, we should be doing this. We should
(02:38):
be uncovering everybody involved in this, because nobody believed that
the only two people that did anything wrong was Epstein
and his partner in crime Maxwell. Nobody believed that they
were the only two people that were involved in this
(02:58):
from top to bottom. And then we had this report
come out. They were saying that, oh, there's no evidence
to go after any third party. It's just these two people,
even though victims that were rescued were like, oh yeah,
there was all kinds of other people involved in this,
but they're not pursuing anything. Now, let's back to train
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up a little bit. Now. I don't know if you're
a fan of Stephen Crowder, you know, but I am.
I listened to him. I watch them and a while
back ago, whenever, you know, after the suicide. And I
put that in quotations because I don't care what they say.
I don't believe it was a suicide. Even the video
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evidence doesn't necessarily clear everybody that there was nothing. And
the video evidence, I mean, let's be fair, you know
it it's a common room on the wing, you know,
in the prison where Epstein was held, but it doesn't
actually even show the door that went to Epstein's cell.
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It doesn't show that. But that's not to say that
there wasn't somebody who was who possibly could have been
let out and went over there, because it was just
a video angle from down a stairway that looked at
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a room or looked at a door that wasn't even his,
and that we've already found out that the that the
videotape shows that it was tampered with. There's like eleven
hours worth of footage that they had and they were
already like, oh well, you know, they they figured out
(04:48):
that it was tampered with. That something you know that
it's not the untampered with. It's not it's not clean,
it's not you know, I mean, just it's tampered tam with.
That was something that came out from people that looked
at it and you know, analytically analyzed it and uh, yeah,
it was tampered with. Did they do it? Was it
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already tampered with whenever they looked at it? Did they
tamper with it? I don't know, but I was watching
Crowder and it's like, Okay, he did this test as
scientific as you can do, not grant, I mean, it's
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not one hundred percent scientific, but you know he did
a test with you know that using a scientific approach
as far as you know what type of you know,
how much weight, how much pressure would be necessary in
order to break Epstein's neck the way that it was
broke in the apparent suicide, and it basically boiled down
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to there's no way that he was able to do
this by himself. There's no way. And the only thing
that I can think of as a possibility of how
it could happen is if he, you know, was just
standing straight up and fell forward. And possibly because I
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don't believe that was something that you know, that that
Crowder experimented with whenever he was showing this, but it
was it was impossible because of the the weight required,
the force required to break the three vertebrae. He you know,
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he wasn't able to do himself, but it was easily
done as somebody stood on his neck and did it
that way. So things didn't add from the very beginning,
you know, because he you know, sex trafficking, you have
his residence, you have his plane, who knows how many
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other various locations, and there were thousand, over one thousand
people that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell's trafficking crime.
But yet they tell us that there's no third party
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people involved in this, that the only two people whom
were you know, who got the children, transported the children,
and had relations with the children. The only people that
were involved in this from top to bottom was Epstein
and Maxwell. And we're supposed to believe that even though well,
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Epstein and Maxwell did and fly the plane, and yet
these victims were transported aren't on the plane, and there's
all kinds of other things that don't add up that
make no sense. It's like, how can you know two
plus two equals purple?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It doesn't make any sense? Why are we expected to
believe this? I mean, it really does make no sense.
And so this headline from Blaze Media, let me go
ahead and pull that up for those of you that
are watching over on Rumble. House Republicans officially subpoena Epstein's
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partner in crime. So yeah, House Republicans, they have subpoenaed
Maxwell for her to you know, cooperate with the Department
of Justice to see who else could be involved in
(09:03):
this because and here's the thing, Okay, and I don't
remember who it was I was listening to or watching,
but it's something that seems kind of, you know, obvious, right,
I mean, if you if you suspect that there are
other people involved and nothing has happened to them, then
you would expect that, you know, just because Epstein and
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Maxwell has been arrested and in the case of Maxwell,
tried and convicted and is serving a present prison sentence,
that is supposed to be of twenty years, then these
other people that were involved are still out there to
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continue to commit the crime that they were before. And
so the question arises that consu apparently from you know what,
we are led to believe that all of the evidence,
all of the actionable intel that they had, and by
(10:09):
the way, there's a butt ton of data there is.
There's a lot of video evidence, and you know, again,
I guess they claim that the only you know, people
that they see in this besides the victims is Epstein
and Maxwell. That's what they would have you believe that
there's no other people in these videos, and they refuse
(10:32):
to release them. And of which case, I understand why
they're claiming they're not going to release them to protect
the you know, the victims. I get that, I really do.
I get that. But you know, there's things that you
can do, right, completely blur out or black out where
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the victim is and still show the face of the criminal,
whether it be a still photo, a picture instead of
you know, or at least a single frame of the
video or you know, portions of the video and stuff.
I mean, not the whole thing. No, I'm not advocating
for child porn here, not at all. But there are
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ways around this, and they're not exploring these in any way,
shape or form. They're just going, no, there's no evidence
for a third party, and we're not going to release
most of the evidence, considering most of the evidence is
child porn. You know, it's videos, and we're not going
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to release those videos in order to protect the victims.
You know. Again, there's a workaround for that. I understand
their reasoning as to why, but there are things that
they can do. Use a still image, censor it, blur out, blackout,
blot it out, whatever, get rid of the victim in
there still, you know, keeping the face of the act
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of the person committing the illegal activity. And there you go.
There's a work around. Why haven't they done it? Why
is that something they're not willing to do. But she's
working with the Department of Defense and these people whom
were involved, If they were involved, which I believe that
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they were involved, because it's the only thing that makes sense,
they're still doing it. They're still out there. Now here's
a couple of things. Now this isn't mind you, but
there's a couple of things on this Okay, Now, one
I don't know what you believe as far as why
they decided to go the route that they did. And
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even Donald Trump is saying that, you know, let's just
put this to bed. Let's just quit. You know, we've
released some information. Let's just quit talking about. It doesn't matter.
And of which case, I say, yes, it does matter.
It very much matters, because the theory behind it is
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there was a lot of people high up in this,
people that have even had because of their association and
the possibility of, you know, crimes committed that their lives
has already been ruined several people, not just Epstein and Maxwell,
but there are others as well. That Epstein made a
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lot of money as a financier, even though you ask
what a financier is and it's like, oh, I have
no idea. I mean, what does that mean? What is
(14:04):
it that they were doing. What is it he was
doing for his clients as a financier? I mean, what
is that? Right? But he had a ton of money,
he was a powerful man. Nobody can answer these questions.
Nobody is willing to answer these questions. I think there's
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a lot of powerful people that were involved. And this
even goes right to the royal family in Great Britain,
whom the Queen thought was serious enough to punish the
person who was accused. If it was a nothing burger,
why would have anything happened? So we were able to
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think for ourselves, critical thinking. We know that something isn't right.
We know that this doesn't add up, and we're basically
being told now even by the White House, by the FBI,
that we should just accept it and move on instead
of going, hey, there's something else going on. We're working
(15:09):
in angle. Just hold tight and you'll understand, or maybe
wording your argument in a different way that doesn't make
it sound like, you know, some of these people are
telling us that we're retarded, instead of going, hey, you know,
I understand where you're coming from. Just trust me. No,
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I'm not going to trust you. You're part of government.
I can't trust government. Duh. Right. But I have a
couple possible explanations on this, and basically what it amounts
(15:55):
to is they are conducting ongoing investigations against these people
and they don't want them to stop what it is
that they're doing and go into hiding. That's what I
think it amounts to, or at least a possible explanation
as to what's going on. I mean, if you've been
(16:16):
paying attention to what the FBI has been up to
for the past few months, they've been going after a
lot of people in sex crime, sex trafficking, child sex trafficking,
and they've arrested a ton of people and they saved
lots of children. I mean, this reporting is out there.
(16:39):
You can see it for yourself. They're conducting investigations, they're
going after people, they're arresting them, and they're saving the victims.
That's a fact. I've even talked about that previously on
the show. That's a fact. That's one of the things
that the FBI and the Department of Justice is doing
(16:59):
right now. Fantastic And as we can see from this
article from Blaze Media, they did subpoena Maxwell. Why this
is going through the House, I have no idea. Why
isn't this something that's being conducted from the FBI. I
don't know the Department of Justice is involved. That's good
(17:23):
to hear, but I mean, after everything's all said and done,
the House has no prosecutorial power at all. They don't
have that, they have oversight, they have the ability to
investigate subpoena to get somebody to testify. They have that ability,
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and they do have the ability, although it may be
kind of restricted in some ways, but they do have
the ability to force testimony out of people and arrest
those that don't testify. I mean, the biggest thing that
really doesn't make any sense to me is that it's
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House Republicans that subpoenaed Maxwell. I mean, if this is
what we see far too often from these hearings, testimony
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is nothing happens. Okay. I spoke about this time and
time again. I've talked about it. I've spoke about it.
I've brought it up time and time again. These hearings
are a big waste of time and it's a big
waste of taxpayer of dollars because all you hear is
a testimony, but nothing ever happens from it. You know,
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you see testimonies, you see subpoenas something. I mean, if
it's Republicans and they don't want to testify, then nothing
ends up happening. And it's just it was a waste
of time because they don't have any criminal any way
to arrest somebody and actually throw them in jail for
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their crimes. As something that still has to go through
the FBI for further investigation, and it has to go
through the Department of Justice. It's nothing that can just
be done through a House Oversight Committee or some type
of a House investigation. And anytime you see any type
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of a hearing, I don't care who's I don't care
who's behind it. I don't care who's conducting it, And
I don't even care what they're talking about. I don't
care if it's an investigation that the left is doing
Democrats or if Republicans are doing it. Either way, the
whole thing is political. Let me say that again. Anytime
you hear about a House hearing, it's always political. It
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ain't got nothing to do with criminality. It ain't got
nothing to do with justice, because just because you know
about something doesn't mean that justice is going to be served.
If you're going to investigate, how the Federal Bureau of
Investigation handle it, that's what they are there for. If
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you find evidence of a crime, then you need to
follow through with prosecution. That's what the Department of Justice
is there because that's what justice is punishing people for
the crimes they have committed. That's why they're there. So
if government is doing it, then it's political period and
a story. And if it's an actual crime, criminal activity,
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then it's the FBI that is supposed to investigate it,
and then the Department of Justice to make sure that
justice is served. I don't care about a hearing from
the House. It doesn't make no never mind to me.
So the House subpoenaing Maxwell, who gives a shit. The
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only thing that gives me reason for pause on this
is that Maxwell is apparently working with the Department of Justice,
and we can only assume that there is the implication
at least that there's something deeper going on here in
investigation that they really are trying to figure out, because
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I'm sure, I'm very sure, I have no doubt whatsoever
that the FBI, whenever they got all this information that
there was people involved that they didn't want their name
to release, they wanted to protect their identity, and in
order to protect one or a handful of the people
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that they wanted to protect, they kind of had to
protect everybody, right. That's kind of what my assumption is
in this. This is me thinking critically about something where
the math just ain't mathing. So I think the reason
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why they're saying the things that they say isn't because
there's nothing to see here. It isn't because the math
really doesn't math. It's because they're investigating. They're figuring out
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who the bad actors are. They're building a case to
take to the Department of Justice so that this way
subpoenas can be issued, this way, testimony can be had,
a grand jury can be called, an actual criminal charges
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placed on these bad actors. And I truly do feel
that there are people in government, both sides of the isle,
that are guilty of crimes associated with Epstein. I really
do Hollywood in government. I absolutely think that there are
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people both sides of the isle I and both of
them are guilty. I mean, I don't really want to
use the word, you know, conspiracy. I think it has
been thrown around a lot, and I'm not saying that
I don't think it applies, But I mean, whenever you
have a big, organized criminal activity, when there's a lot
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of people involved, yeah, it may kind of look conspiratorial.
I don't necessarily think that's the right term to use, though,
But you know, regardless, that's just me thinking out loud.
So I think there's something bigger going on, bigger happening,
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something bigger at play. I think they're going through and
they're really digging into it, trying to find this information
that the FBI, under the toolage of the Democrat Party,
has been trying to hide since the beginning. Now here's
a couple of nuggets in here. Here's one nugget for you.
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There is a very huge possibility, like ninety percent and above,
that if it wasn't for President Trump, no charges would
have been brought up against Jeffrey Epstein. I think that's
one of many things that the left is pissed about,
or at least government is pissed about, because if it
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wasn't for Trump, there's a huge possibility that Epstein would
have never seen the inside of a jail cell, the
charges would never have been brought forward. There's that possibility
that that's one of the things that they're mad at,
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one of the things. But there's something else that I
find absolutely hypocritical and hilarious both at the same time
and quite pathetic. Might I add, if I'm being perfectly
honest with you, and that's because they're not releasing what
we feel is the full Epstein files. Every everything, all
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of the information, everything that there is to release because
the administration is not willing to do that. And again
they may have their reasons, but they're refusing to do it. Now,
all of a sudden, you have Democrats going release the
Epstein files, Release the Epstein files. We want the truth,
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we want the proof, and now it seems as though
they really don't want to put it down. But the
entire Biden presidency, when the Democrats were in control, when
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they had the ability to release the information and make
it public, and they didn't. These these pundits, these journalists,
these you know, people that are Democrats, well they didn't
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have a damn thing to say about the Biden administration
not releasing any of the Epstein files. They had nothing
to say about it. Then, when the Democrats were in control,
they didn't care. It was a non issue. But now,
all of a sudden, when there's a very good possibility
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that there are officially investigations being done that will lead
to prosecution and justice being served, bad actors being arrested
and children being freed, now the Democrats are all up
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in arms. Where were they when Biden was president? I mean,
that's a good question. Isn't it. Where were they then? Why?
Why were they silent? Why did to have anything to
say about it? Then? Because the whole thing's political. That's why.
That's why you have House Republicans subpoenaing Maxwell. Why it's political.
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And I despise politics. I despise politics for the sake
of politics. That's what I hate. That's what I despise.
That's what drives me nuts and it pisses me off.
I'll be flat honest with you. So the so, how
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do I feel about Trump possibly pardoning Maxwell? And this
was just something that was, you know, just kind of
brought up in passing and I believe it was a
and I could be wrong in making this statement, and
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I you know, beforehand, I will tell you that it's possible,
but I think it was a reporter from CNN that
had asked about him. And then Trump was like, well,
you know, I mean, I'm not going to take it
off the table. I'm not going to say that it
won't happen. I mean, I have the power to do that,
I have the authority, and I'm not going to say
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that I'm not going to pardon her. And of which, guys,
that led to the question, is Trump going to pardon
Maxwell for her testimony? Are they going to cut her
a deal at least commuting her sentence to where she
can get out early. Do you think that's something that
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should be done? What do you think? Let me know
down in the comments below. If you are listening over
on Sprinker or if you are you know, watching over
on Rumble, let me know what you think down in
the comments below. If you are listening to any other
places where podcasts can be found in send me an
email ho at the ho Ho show dot com. I
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really would like to know and why what do you
think about the possibility that President Trump may pardon or
commute the sentence of Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's partner in crime,
Because I actually like to know, And I'm gonna be
honest with you. I I don't know. I see both
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good and bad either way, but either way you go,
it's it's ugly, right, And maybe the question boils down
to how much are they going to be able to
uncover without her? But she was also an intricate part
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in all of this. She was involved in the crime.
You know, you know, here's how it normally goes. Whenever
you're fighting a crime. You know, you find a dealer dealing, right,
you know, you see some punk kid on the street
or you know whoever it is, and you see them,
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you see them doing the deed, and then you catch
them with the cash and the drugs and you arrest them.
And then what do they say? You know, it's always
a take me to your dealer, where do you get
your shit? And then they just keep going up to
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chaining up to chaining up to chain That's how they
do this. But in a matter of speaking, this whole
thing seems backwards because here you have, you know, up
to chain up to chain up to chain up to chain,
you know, and the ringleader, the boss, the head honcho,
he's already suicided, waiting for trial. And you have the uh,
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you know, the the the next person under as Maxwell,
and you're going to go to that person and say, hey,
we're willing to cut you a deal to figure out
everything underneath you. It almost seems the reverse order. That's
not normally how this thing is done. But here's the thing, though,
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Jeffrey Epstein's dead, Maxwell's in prison. Do you think the
activity has ceased or do you think is still going on?
You know, like I said before, these sickos, assuming there are,
and I very much do, assuming they're out there, the
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clients of the sex trafficking rain that Jeffrey Epstein was
head of, do you do you think they lost their
appetite for this or do you think that they were
all of a sudden coincidentally freed from that addiction. Well,
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obviously they're still out there. Obviously, you know, we're you know,
supplying to demand. Where there's a will, there's a way,
and if you want something and if you have enough money,
then you're going to be able to get it. These
people still have this appetite. Do you think the criminal
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activity is still going on? And I do. So. Let's
say that Trump doesn't choose to pardon Maxwell. Good and bad.
Let's analyze the two. If it happens good, what's good
about it? Well? Maxwell stays in prison as she should
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for the sick and disgusting, demonic practices of what she
was accused of. And she should for her crime absolutely,
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I mean we're talking about sex trafficking of children. That's demonic.
She deserves the sentence she has, She deserves worse than
what she got. So if Trump does nothing, great, she
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stays in prison. Fantastic. But the bad of that is
we're talking about somebody who has an intimate knowledge of
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the organization, the people that was involved, how they got
their victims, the techniques that they used, and of course
the list of criminals that were their client base. If
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nothing happens, we know Maxwell has an intimate knowledge of
all this information. If you don't make a deal, then
you don't get the goods. So now let's go with
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what if he does pardon Maxwell or at least commute
her sentence. Well, the good aspect of it is you
you get information, and of course a caveat of assuming
that this information is good, and arrests are made, and
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you know, prosecution goes forth with and the you know,
all of that stuff as a caveat you find, you
find out the goods. You're able to free the victims
and prosecute the offenders. Well, that's a good thing, right,
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And the bad aspect of this is you let Maxwell go,
somebody whom committed horrible atrocities against children for somebody else's
disgusting appetite. It's just it's a travesty. She goes free,
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and of course she has these urges herself, and who's
to say that she's not going to jump back into
old habits, right, So that's a bad aspect of this. So,
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I mean, the question really boils down to how much
are they going to actually be able to uncover without
Maxwell's participation, without her help, without her aid that I
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guess in a matter of speaking, that's what the question is.
How much is the FBI really going to be able
to uncover themselves without Maxwell's testimony, without her cooperation? And
maybe that's what the question should be. Maybe that's what
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we need to be analyzing. But I mean, I don't,
I don't know, man, I don't. I don't like the
idea of these things being unpunished, neither by the people
that are still doing it nor by Maxwell, Who's you know,
she got this prison sentence in July of twenty twenty two,
so she hasn't served that much time. Three years. That's it,
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three years of a what was it a twenty year sentence?
I think, yeah, yeah, that's what it says this article.
You know, House Silversight chairman James Comer officially subpoenaed Maxwell.
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I'm not even going to try to say her first
name because it just it doesn't look right. And I
know I'm not going to pronounce it right, but Maxwell, yeah,
I can say that one with conspired, who conspired with
Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abused minors. Maxwell was sins to
twenty years in prison in June of twenty twenty two.
So she just got done serving three years of a
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twenty year sentence. Is that enough time? I don't believe
it is not at all. So, I mean, as good
as it may sound to go after the other people
that are involved, it seems like a travesty. It seems bad.
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It seems horrible to let somebody out after only serving
three years of a twenty year sentence, especially somebody that was,
you know, the second in command as we know it,
of this whole entire sex trafficking ring. That doesn't sound
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like justice to me. It just doesn't. But again, I
want to know your thoughts on this whole Epstein and
Maxwell thing. I want to know your thoughts. Let me know,
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doing I hope you're doing good? I really do so.
Yesterday's show I enjoyed it. It was a good show.
I liked it. But there was something that I forgot
to talk about that I do believe is well, Okay,
it may not be on the mind of a lot
of people. In fact, I think most people really aren't
paying all that much attention. But for those who are,
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this seems, you know, I mean, it's kind of important.
And that's because of how things were laid out. That's
because how things were talked about. And then you know,
we're basically being treated as though there's something wrong with
us because we can do basic math and things just
don't seem to be adding up. And I'm talking about Epstein,
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the Epstein Files, I'm talking about the list, I'm talking
about the black book. I'm talking about all the evidence
that was pulled out of Epstein's residence on his island.
I'm talking about the flight logs of his plane. I'm
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talking about his suicide. I'm talking about his arrest, what
he was charged with, and what they claimed of the
evidence that they found. Because none of this stuff makes
any sense. None of this stuff adds up whatsoever. And
before we were told that, oh, you know, yeah there's
(02:15):
something here, there's the you know a lot of people
that are involved in this, and we're going to get
to the bottom of it. We're going to release the
Epstein list, and there you go, and it's like, okay, great,
you know those that were interested in this, those that
you know, seen and knew that something was going on,
We're like, yeah, we should be doing this. We should
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be uncovering everybody involved in this, because nobody believed that
the only two people that did anything wrong was Epstein
and his partner in crime Maxwell. Nobody believed that they
were the only two people that were involved in this
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from top to bottom. And then we had this report
come out. They were saying that, oh, there's no evidence
to go after any third party. It's just these two people,
even though victims that were rescued were like, oh yeah,
there was all kinds of other people involved in this,
but they're not pursuing anything. Now, let's back to train
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up a little bit. Now. I don't know if you're
a fan of Stephen Crowder, you know, but I am.
I listened to him. I watch them and a while
back ago, whenever, you know, after the suicide. And I
put that in quotations because I don't care what they say.
I don't believe it was a suicide. Even the video
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evidence doesn't necessarily clear everybody that there was nothing. And
the video evidence, I mean, let's be fair, you know
it it's a common room on the wing, you know,
in the prison where Epstein was held, but it doesn't
actually even show the door that went to Epstein's cell.
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It doesn't show that. But that's not to say that
there wasn't somebody who was who possibly could have been
let out and went over there, because it was just
a video angle from down a stairway that looked at
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a room or looked at a door that wasn't even his,
and that we've already found out that the that the
videotape shows that it was tampered with. There's like eleven
hours worth of footage that they had and they were
already like, oh well, you know, they they figured out
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that it was tampered with. That something you know that
it's not the untampered with. It's not it's not clean,
it's not you know, I mean, just it's tampered tam with.
That was something that came out from people that looked
at it and you know, analytically analyzed it and uh, yeah,
it was tampered with. Did they do it? Was it
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already tampered with whenever they looked at it? Did they
tamper with it? I don't know, but I was watching
Crowder and it's like, Okay, he did this test as
scientific as you can do, not grant, I mean, it's
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not one hundred percent scientific, but you know he did
a test with you know that using a scientific approach
as far as you know what type of you know,
how much weight, how much pressure would be necessary in
order to break Epstein's neck the way that it was
broke in the apparent suicide, and it basically boiled down
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to there's no way that he was able to do
this by himself. There's no way. And the only thing
that I can think of as a possibility of how
it could happen is if he, you know, was just
standing straight up and fell forward. And possibly because I
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don't believe that was something that you know, that that
Crowder experimented with whenever he was showing this, but it
was it was impossible because of the the weight required,
the force required to break the three vertebrae. He you know,
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he wasn't able to do himself, but it was easily
done as somebody stood on his neck and did it
that way. So things didn't add from the very beginning,
you know, because he you know, sex trafficking, you have
his residence, you have his plane, who knows how many
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other various locations, and there were thousand, over one thousand
people that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell's trafficking crime.
But yet they tell us that there's no third party
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people involved in this, that the only two people whom
were you know, who got the children, transported the children,
and had relations with the children. The only people that
were involved in this from top to bottom was Epstein
and Maxwell. And we're supposed to believe that even though well,
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Epstein and Maxwell did and fly the plane, and yet
these victims were transported aren't on the plane, and there's
all kinds of other things that don't add up that
make no sense. It's like, how can you know two
plus two equals purple?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It doesn't make any sense? Why are we expected to
believe this? I mean, it really does make no sense.
And so this headline from Blaze Media, let me go
ahead and pull that up for those of you that
are watching over on Rumble. House Republicans officially subpoena Epstein's
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partner in crime. So yeah, House Republicans, they have subpoenaed
Maxwell for her to you know, cooperate with the Department
of Justice to see who else could be involved in
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this because and here's the thing, Okay, and I don't
remember who it was I was listening to or watching,
but it's something that seems kind of, you know, obvious, right,
I mean, if you if you suspect that there are
other people involved and nothing has happened to them, then
you would expect that, you know, just because Epstein and
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Maxwell has been arrested and in the case of Maxwell,
tried and convicted and is serving a present prison sentence,
that is supposed to be of twenty years, then these
other people that were involved are still out there to
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continue to commit the crime that they were before. And
so the question arises that consu apparently from you know what,
we are led to believe that all of the evidence,
all of the actionable intel that they had, and by
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the way, there's a butt ton of data there is.
There's a lot of video evidence, and you know, again,
I guess they claim that the only you know, people
that they see in this besides the victims is Epstein
and Maxwell. That's what they would have you believe that
there's no other people in these videos, and they refuse
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to release them. And of which case, I understand why
they're claiming they're not going to release them to protect
the you know, the victims. I get that, I really do.
I get that. But you know, there's things that you
can do, right, completely blur out or black out where
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the victim is and still show the face of the criminal,
whether it be a still photo, a picture instead of
you know, or at least a single frame of the
video or you know, portions of the video and stuff.
I mean, not the whole thing. No, I'm not advocating
for child porn here, not at all. But there are
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ways around this, and they're not exploring these in any way,
shape or form. They're just going, no, there's no evidence
for a third party, and we're not going to release
most of the evidence, considering most of the evidence is
child porn. You know, it's videos, and we're not going
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to release those videos in order to protect the victims.
You know. Again, there's a workaround for that. I understand
their reasoning as to why, but there are things that
they can do. Use a still image, censor it, blur out, blackout,
blot it out, whatever, get rid of the victim in
there still, you know, keeping the face of the act
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of the person committing the illegal activity. And there you go.
There's a work around. Why haven't they done it? Why
is that something they're not willing to do. But she's
working with the Department of Defense and these people whom
were involved, If they were involved, which I believe that
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they were involved, because it's the only thing that makes sense,
they're still doing it. They're still out there. Now here's
a couple of things. Now this isn't mind you, but
there's a couple of things on this Okay, Now, one
I don't know what you believe as far as why
they decided to go the route that they did. And
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even Donald Trump is saying that, you know, let's just
put this to bed. Let's just quit. You know, we've
released some information. Let's just quit talking about. It doesn't matter.
And of which case, I say, yes, it does matter.
It very much matters, because the theory behind it is
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there was a lot of people high up in this,
people that have even had because of their association and
the possibility of, you know, crimes committed that their lives
has already been ruined several people, not just Epstein and Maxwell,
but there are others as well. That Epstein made a
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lot of money as a financier, even though you ask
what a financier is and it's like, oh, I have
no idea. I mean, what does that mean? What is
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it that they were doing. What is it he was
doing for his clients as a financier? I mean, what
is that? Right? But he had a ton of money,
he was a powerful man. Nobody can answer these questions.
Nobody is willing to answer these questions. I think there's
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a lot of powerful people that were involved. And this
even goes right to the royal family in Great Britain,
whom the Queen thought was serious enough to punish the
person who was accused. If it was a nothing burger,
why would have anything happened? So we were able to
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think for ourselves, critical thinking. We know that something isn't right.
We know that this doesn't add up, and we're basically
being told now even by the White House, by the FBI,
that we should just accept it and move on instead
of going, hey, there's something else going on. We're working
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in angle. Just hold tight and you'll understand, or maybe
wording your argument in a different way that doesn't make
it sound like, you know, some of these people are
telling us that we're retarded, instead of going, hey, you know,
I understand where you're coming from. Just trust me. No,
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I'm not going to trust you. You're part of government.
I can't trust government. Duh. Right. But I have a
couple possible explanations on this, and basically what it amounts
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to is they are conducting ongoing investigations against these people
and they don't want them to stop what it is
that they're doing and go into hiding. That's what I
think it amounts to, or at least a possible explanation
as to what's going on. I mean, if you've been
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paying attention to what the FBI has been up to
for the past few months, they've been going after a
lot of people in sex crime, sex trafficking, child sex trafficking,
and they've arrested a ton of people and they saved
lots of children. I mean, this reporting is out there.
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You can see it for yourself. They're conducting investigations, they're
going after people, they're arresting them, and they're saving the victims.
That's a fact. I've even talked about that previously on
the show. That's a fact. That's one of the things
that the FBI and the Department of Justice is doing
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right now. Fantastic And as we can see from this
article from Blaze Media, they did subpoena Maxwell. Why this
is going through the House, I have no idea. Why
isn't this something that's being conducted from the FBI. I
don't know the Department of Justice is involved. That's good
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to hear, but I mean, after everything's all said and done,
the House has no prosecutorial power at all. They don't
have that, they have oversight, they have the ability to
investigate subpoena to get somebody to testify. They have that ability,
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and they do have the ability, although it may be
kind of restricted in some ways, but they do have
the ability to force testimony out of people and arrest
those that don't testify. I mean, the biggest thing that
really doesn't make any sense to me is that it's
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House Republicans that subpoenaed Maxwell. I mean, if this is
what we see far too often from these hearings, testimony
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is nothing happens. Okay. I spoke about this time and
time again. I've talked about it. I've spoke about it.
I've brought it up time and time again. These hearings
are a big waste of time and it's a big
waste of taxpayer of dollars because all you hear is
a testimony, but nothing ever happens from it. You know,
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you see testimonies, you see subpoenas something. I mean, if
it's Republicans and they don't want to testify, then nothing
ends up happening. And it's just it was a waste
of time because they don't have any criminal any way
to arrest somebody and actually throw them in jail for
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their crimes. As something that still has to go through
the FBI for further investigation, and it has to go
through the Department of Justice. It's nothing that can just
be done through a House Oversight Committee or some type
of a House investigation. And anytime you see any type
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of a hearing, I don't care who's I don't care
who's behind it. I don't care who's conducting it, And
I don't even care what they're talking about. I don't
care if it's an investigation that the left is doing
Democrats or if Republicans are doing it. Either way, the
whole thing is political. Let me say that again. Anytime
you hear about a House hearing, it's always political. It
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ain't got nothing to do with criminality. It ain't got
nothing to do with justice, because just because you know
about something doesn't mean that justice is going to be served.
If you're going to investigate, how the Federal Bureau of
Investigation handle it, that's what they are there for. If
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you find evidence of a crime, then you need to
follow through with prosecution. That's what the Department of Justice
is there because that's what justice is punishing people for
the crimes they have committed. That's why they're there. So
if government is doing it, then it's political period and
a story. And if it's an actual crime, criminal activity,
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then it's the FBI that is supposed to investigate it,
and then the Department of Justice to make sure that
justice is served. I don't care about a hearing from
the House. It doesn't make no never mind to me.
So the House subpoenaing Maxwell, who gives a shit. The
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only thing that gives me reason for pause on this
is that Maxwell is apparently working with the Department of Justice,
and we can only assume that there is the implication
at least that there's something deeper going on here in
investigation that they really are trying to figure out, because
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I'm sure, I'm very sure, I have no doubt whatsoever
that the FBI, whenever they got all this information that
there was people involved that they didn't want their name
to release, they wanted to protect their identity, and in
order to protect one or a handful of the people
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that they wanted to protect, they kind of had to
protect everybody, right. That's kind of what my assumption is
in this. This is me thinking critically about something where
the math just ain't mathing. So I think the reason
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why they're saying the things that they say isn't because
there's nothing to see here. It isn't because the math
really doesn't math. It's because they're investigating. They're figuring out
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who the bad actors are. They're building a case to
take to the Department of Justice so that this way
subpoenas can be issued, this way, testimony can be had,
a grand jury can be called, an actual criminal charges
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placed on these bad actors. And I truly do feel
that there are people in government, both sides of the isle,
that are guilty of crimes associated with Epstein. I really
do Hollywood in government. I absolutely think that there are
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people both sides of the isle I and both of
them are guilty. I mean, I don't really want to
use the word, you know, conspiracy. I think it has
been thrown around a lot, and I'm not saying that
I don't think it applies, But I mean, whenever you
have a big, organized criminal activity, when there's a lot
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of people involved, yeah, it may kind of look conspiratorial.
I don't necessarily think that's the right term to use, though,
But you know, regardless, that's just me thinking out loud.
So I think there's something bigger going on, bigger happening,
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something bigger at play. I think they're going through and
they're really digging into it, trying to find this information
that the FBI, under the toolage of the Democrat Party,
has been trying to hide since the beginning. Now here's
a couple of nuggets in here. Here's one nugget for you.
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There is a very huge possibility, like ninety percent and above,
that if it wasn't for President Trump, no charges would
have been brought up against Jeffrey Epstein. I think that's
one of many things that the left is pissed about,
or at least government is pissed about, because if it
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wasn't for Trump, there's a huge possibility that Epstein would
have never seen the inside of a jail cell, the
charges would never have been brought forward. There's that possibility
that that's one of the things that they're mad at,
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one of the things. But there's something else that I
find absolutely hypocritical and hilarious both at the same time
and quite pathetic. Might I add, if I'm being perfectly
honest with you, and that's because they're not releasing what
we feel is the full Epstein files. Every everything, all
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of the information, everything that there is to release because
the administration is not willing to do that. And again
they may have their reasons, but they're refusing to do it. Now,
all of a sudden, you have Democrats going release the
Epstein files, Release the Epstein files. We want the truth,
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we want the proof, and now it seems as though
they really don't want to put it down. But the
entire Biden presidency, when the Democrats were in control, when
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they had the ability to release the information and make
it public, and they didn't. These these pundits, these journalists,
these you know, people that are Democrats, well they didn't
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have a damn thing to say about the Biden administration
not releasing any of the Epstein files. They had nothing
to say about it. Then, when the Democrats were in control,
they didn't care. It was a non issue. But now,
all of a sudden, when there's a very good possibility
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that there are officially investigations being done that will lead
to prosecution and justice being served, bad actors being arrested
and children being freed, now the Democrats are all up
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in arms. Where were they when Biden was president? I mean,
that's a good question. Isn't it. Where were they then? Why?
Why were they silent? Why did to have anything to
say about it? Then? Because the whole thing's political. That's why.
That's why you have House Republicans subpoenaing Maxwell. Why it's political.
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And I despise politics. I despise politics for the sake
of politics. That's what I hate. That's what I despise.
That's what drives me nuts and it pisses me off.
I'll be flat honest with you. So the so, how
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do I feel about Trump possibly pardoning Maxwell? And this
was just something that was, you know, just kind of
brought up in passing and I believe it was a
and I could be wrong in making this statement, and
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I you know, beforehand, I will tell you that it's possible,
but I think it was a reporter from CNN that
had asked about him. And then Trump was like, well,
you know, I mean, I'm not going to take it
off the table. I'm not going to say that it
won't happen. I mean, I have the power to do that,
I have the authority, and I'm not going to say
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that I'm not going to pardon her. And of which, guys,
that led to the question, is Trump going to pardon
Maxwell for her testimony? Are they going to cut her
a deal at least commuting her sentence to where she
can get out early. Do you think that's something that
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should be done? What do you think? Let me know
down in the comments below. If you are listening over
on Sprinker or if you are you know, watching over
on Rumble, let me know what you think down in
the comments below. If you are listening to any other
places where podcasts can be found in send me an
email ho at the ho Ho show dot com. I
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really would like to know and why what do you
think about the possibility that President Trump may pardon or
commute the sentence of Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's partner in crime,
Because I actually like to know, And I'm gonna be
honest with you. I I don't know. I see both
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good and bad either way, but either way you go,
it's it's ugly, right, And maybe the question boils down
to how much are they going to be able to
uncover without her? But she was also an intricate part
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in all of this. She was involved in the crime.
You know, you know, here's how it normally goes. Whenever
you're fighting a crime. You know, you find a dealer dealing, right,
you know, you see some punk kid on the street
or you know whoever it is, and you see them,
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you see them doing the deed, and then you catch
them with the cash and the drugs and you arrest them.
And then what do they say? You know, it's always
a take me to your dealer, where do you get
your shit? And then they just keep going up to
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chaining up to chaining up to chain That's how they
do this. But in a matter of speaking, this whole
thing seems backwards because here you have, you know, up
to chain up to chain up to chain up to chain,
you know, and the ringleader, the boss, the head honcho,
he's already suicided, waiting for trial. And you have the uh,
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you know, the the the next person under as Maxwell,
and you're going to go to that person and say, hey,
we're willing to cut you a deal to figure out
everything underneath you. It almost seems the reverse order. That's
not normally how this thing is done. But here's the thing, though,
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Jeffrey Epstein's dead, Maxwell's in prison. Do you think the
activity has ceased or do you think is still going on?
You know, like I said before, these sickos, assuming there are,
and I very much do, assuming they're out there, the
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clients of the sex trafficking rain that Jeffrey Epstein was
head of, do you do you think they lost their
appetite for this or do you think that they were
all of a sudden coincidentally freed from that addiction. Well,
(33:17):
obviously they're still out there. Obviously, you know, we're you know,
supplying to demand. Where there's a will, there's a way,
and if you want something and if you have enough money,
then you're going to be able to get it. These
people still have this appetite. Do you think the criminal
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activity is still going on? And I do. So. Let's
say that Trump doesn't choose to pardon Maxwell. Good and bad.
Let's analyze the two. If it happens good, what's good
about it? Well? Maxwell stays in prison as she should
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for the sick and disgusting, demonic practices of what she
was accused of. And she should for her crime absolutely,
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I mean we're talking about sex trafficking of children. That's demonic.
She deserves the sentence she has, She deserves worse than
what she got. So if Trump does nothing, great, she
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stays in prison. Fantastic. But the bad of that is
we're talking about somebody who has an intimate knowledge of
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the organization, the people that was involved, how they got
their victims, the techniques that they used, and of course
the list of criminals that were their client base. If
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nothing happens, we know Maxwell has an intimate knowledge of
all this information. If you don't make a deal, then
you don't get the goods. So now let's go with
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what if he does pardon Maxwell or at least commute
her sentence. Well, the good aspect of it is you
you get information, and of course a caveat of assuming
that this information is good, and arrests are made, and
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you know, prosecution goes forth with and the you know,
all of that stuff as a caveat you find, you
find out the goods. You're able to free the victims
and prosecute the offenders. Well, that's a good thing, right,
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And the bad aspect of this is you let Maxwell go,
somebody whom committed horrible atrocities against children for somebody else's
disgusting appetite. It's just it's a travesty. She goes free,
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and of course she has these urges herself, and who's
to say that she's not going to jump back into
old habits, right, So that's a bad aspect of this. So,
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I mean, the question really boils down to how much
are they going to actually be able to uncover without
Maxwell's participation, without her help, without her aid that I
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guess in a matter of speaking, that's what the question is.
How much is the FBI really going to be able
to uncover themselves without Maxwell's testimony, without her cooperation? And
maybe that's what the question should be. Maybe that's what
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we need to be analyzing. But I mean, I don't,
I don't know, man, I don't. I don't like the
idea of these things being unpunished, neither by the people
that are still doing it nor by Maxwell, Who's you know,
she got this prison sentence in July of twenty twenty two,
so she hasn't served that much time. Three years. That's it,
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three years of a what was it a twenty year sentence?
I think, yeah, yeah, that's what it says this article.
You know, House Silversight chairman James Comer officially subpoenaed Maxwell.
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I'm not even going to try to say her first
name because it just it doesn't look right. And I
know I'm not going to pronounce it right, but Maxwell, yeah,
I can say that one with conspired, who conspired with
Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abused minors. Maxwell was sins to
twenty years in prison in June of twenty twenty two.
So she just got done serving three years of a
(39:15):
twenty year sentence. Is that enough time? I don't believe
it is not at all. So, I mean, as good
as it may sound to go after the other people
that are involved, it seems like a travesty. It seems bad.
(39:36):
It seems horrible to let somebody out after only serving
three years of a twenty year sentence, especially somebody that was,
you know, the second in command as we know it,
of this whole entire sex trafficking ring. That doesn't sound
(39:56):
like justice to me. It just doesn't. But again, I
want to know your thoughts on this whole Epstein and
Maxwell thing. I want to know your thoughts. Let me know,
send me an email ho Ho at the ho hotshow
dot com. So that's all I got for y'all today.
That's it, single topic, And holy crap, I did not
really expect this thing to go forty minutes. I figured
(40:17):
twenty there you go. I didn't think we'd be talking
about it for twenty minutes as well. All right, anyway,
thank you very much. I really do appreciate it. And
by the way, do me a favorite. Head on over
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(40:40):
I mean, I don't do a lot on social media.
I really don't. I'm not a master of social media.
I don't do a lot of content. Generally, I will
look at stuff periodically, but I really don't. And maybe
maybe that's on me. That's a bad thing. I mean,
I know, when it comes to social networking, you need
social media, and that just makes sense, right. I need
(41:05):
to do that, I really do, and I know I
say it several times, but it's true. I mean, how
else you want to social network without social media? And
I want to spread the word, you don't share it
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let people know what it is I'm doing over here.
I greatly appreciate it. Thank you very much. Anyway, y'alls
(41:26):
have a great one. I'll see in the next one.
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